/eien/ - EIEN Project General

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/eien/ - EIEN Project General - Flashing Edition

Website: https://eien-project.com/
Schedule: https://schedule.eien-project.com
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@EIENProject
Twitter: https://twitter.com/EIENproj

>Gen 1 Museia
Kilia Kurayami
https://www.youtube.com/@KiliaKurayami
https://twitter.com/KiliaKurayami

Kiki Lockheart
https://www.youtube.com/@KikiLockheartCh
https://twitter.com/KikiLockheart

Skye Shinryu
https://www.youtube.com/@SkyeShinryu
https://twitter.com/SkyeShinryu

>Gen 2 Haven
Blaise Shinryu
https://www.youtube.com/@BlaiseShinryu
https://twitter.com/BlaiseShinryu

Nanimo Navi
https://www.youtube.com/@NanimoNavi
https://twitter.com/NanimoNavi

Amora Lumina
https://www.youtube.com/@AmoraLumina
https://twitter.com/AmoraLumina

Zumi Dokumi
https://www.youtube.com/@ZumiDokumi
https://twitter.com/ZumiDokumi

Mirri Saffire
https://www.youtube.com/@MirriSaffire
https://twitter.com/MirriSaffire

Songs:
Museia (Group)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0YDsm5ntyY
https://youtu.be/evgLDpsNO4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvfOATfCLro
https://youtu.be/RyjTWrsQloE

EIEN Group song
https://youtu.be/wx7Je4xK3SM
https://youtu.be/byoTCv3tVRU

Haven covers
https://youtu.be/6mW60runkRM
https://youtu.be/jCYxyQfdoNg
https://youtu.be/7jJeepTai-k
https://youtu.be/xMkqCzhbsKc
https://youtu.be/0xc7ldr7Uac

Unarchived streams archive:
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/FHXeRIJNWrmYMQ

Previous thread >>69591743

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>>69684910
Amowa soon, hope someone has an archive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24WN1OxMOs
Blaise Drakengard 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGGl_8s91pE
And Skye membership but I don't see a room

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>>69685089
Everything is archived automatically.

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My cute robowife Navi!

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https://twitter.com/AmoraLumina/status/1760378999144939582
Luminauts, is this your oshi??

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Oh god
https://twitter.com/AmoraLumina/status/1760378999144939582

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https://twitter.com/AmoraLumina/status/1760378999144939582

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>>69685395
amora is the new kiki eww

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>>69685395
ANON NOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>69685373

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this is the rude awakening, and kilia will dunk on the incels again

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I think I like Blaise a bit, just a little though, nothing serious

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>deleted

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oh god

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpaOKsANSZs
uncanceled

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It's eienover

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Sweaty, stinky, lovey-dovey, tadpole making, frog sex!!!

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nowZow has branched out to the other girls channels fucking up the conversation. Fuck off with this dude.

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How horrifying.

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honestly surprised gr15 is still a rule

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>if you don't like me at my princessiest you don't deserve me at my poniest
wdsmbt

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>>69687683
yaaay her hamster came back to life

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>no eien members in the lethal company collab
Maybe Killia was on to something.

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>>69690557
What collab?

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>>69690740
v4mirai, idol, lisa, and some other chuuba I've never heard of.

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>>69689865
Debugs make sure to change topics of conversation after he sends any message if he shows up, ignore for a couple minutes then talk about something else

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Anons being shocked that Kilia is British and has British moments is always funny

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>>69690933
Oh yeah, Poko's in it

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>>69689865
Keep him, Skye has suffered enough

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I love my frogwife and she loves me!

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>>69691448
Poko is a harem queen, but keep in mind that v4m and Idol are partnered now

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Oh, I forgot why I stopped watching Blaise in the first place. Her retarded Blaised takes with media

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>>69684910
AMORA SEX

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>>69690411
You will clop to amora.

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>>69691025
>that time she started talking about colds on the cob and anons had no clue what that was

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>this is a joke, I'm not a brony or a furry okay!

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>>69693348
abayo

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>>69693348
Anon no! They make you go on vacation!

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>>69694176
maybe it was Amora's plan all along

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>Amora getting rid of anons so the thread can finally stay dead

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This is it, the chink in the armor. No girl is perfect, but she did well keeping up the mask for so long. It's now so over for her

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>>69694509
yeah I can't believe Amora is a fucking brony either

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If /eien/ dies I will makes /zum/ where me and the 5 other deadpoles can frogwife post and talk about licking the sweat out of Zumi's sweet navel.

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>>69694668
Girls liking MLP is only weird if they weren't age appropriate when the show came out

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>>69694775
It would actually fit if Amora is really 22

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Kilia leaking on main

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>>69695849
?

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>>69696527
Just jork, she's making a thumbnail for the museia collab with new art

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>>69696814
Did you cut someone out of this anon?

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>>69696864
of course, didn't want to make it eww

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>>69696814
I just noticed what seems almost like a very intentional lack of any greens in this thumbnail

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Who the fuck is this male

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Blaise...

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i WILL let this thread die

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[20240221] 【Unarchived Karaoke】 Destroying my reputation with Classic Fandom Songs (k24WN1OxMOs)
(Uploading)

https://disk.yandex.ru/d/CCogP6X3dOm0tA

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Raki and Navi are having sex in palword and basically you're a loser.

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How we feeling with all these debuts coming soon™

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>>69700227
Why should I care about any debuts other than VAllure's

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>>69700227
It means than gen 3 comes after all of those

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>>69696945
It's fine, green is not a creative color anyway

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>>69700227
I don't even know what the one on the left is, and the only care I have for the one on the right is the Navi copycat

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>>69700227
Curios about IdolES since we will know how big is the ES market

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>>69700227
I like watching debuts

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Fuck

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Zumi...

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>>69704676
The schedule...

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>>69704563
>>69704942
>>69704676
Now wtf happened??

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>>69705181
My fuck is unrelated to zumi, i was just bumping

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>>69705181
Zumi's just being a bit of a late Andy
Nothing to be alarmed about

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Hello /eien/, does Skye read her maros? I want to challenge her to a duel in AC6

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>>69708318
Sorry you have to ask her in chat. Make sure you're also a greyname and do it in all caps.

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>>69708486
and make sure to spam it in case she misses it

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>>69708318
>>69708486
And don't forget to apologize in your message. Because you somehow have enough self-awareness to know you're being annoying, but not enough to just not send the message at all.

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>>69708318

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Plapping kiki's town bike puffy pussy uoooohhh....haaaha

I don't really care about the drama, a shame she scaled back her horniness but it is what it is

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Being kiki's 5th guy for the night uoooooooh

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>can't share anything from Amora's stream because it's technically /mlp/
she got us good

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>>69708318
Nope

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Zumi...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr2T0WRHYwk

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>>69700227
which one is the one on the left

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>>69713625
Looked it up. Guess it's the new Kawaii gen.

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>>69700227
V&U's 5th gen. Their acceleration strategy is just baffling.

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>>69716280
Meant for
>>69713625

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>>69713514
called it

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PixelLink rabbit girl came into VC with Blaise. Didn't expect that

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Hey Zumi, my wonderful frogwife, please do a twitter space this week, thank you

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>>69716896
Imagine if this causes Gabe to become a Ryubie

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>>69716971
Imagine her getting flustered when reading "my wonderful frogwife" out of nowhere

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Navi is actually dying...

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>>69717549
At least she's still got her sense of humor

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I wish I could rim Blaise to sleep after she's done sitting for 12 hours

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I love her...

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>>69717973
i love navi so much guys

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https://twitter.com/NanimoNavi/status/1760507503404605943

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>>69719266
Good luck Navi, you can do it.

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I didn't want to drop Amora..

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>>69719266
>dropped out of high school
Wonder if that was for health or for League?

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>>69719789
>not into mare pussy
More for me fag

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>>69719252
We know, Zumi. Now come sit on my lap

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>>69719859
Send a maro

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>>69716896
has she gotten many VCs in general?

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Skye is diabetic.

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>>69720793
Yeah, with me

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Skye is graduating

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>>69722272
Yeah, with me

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Skye is funny and a loveable dork

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>>69722415
Yeah, on my dick

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>>69722945
Yeah, mine

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>>69723053
I don't remember typing this

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>>69722945
>>69723053
>>69723256
My schizophrenia is acting up again

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>>69722415
>>69722945
>>69723053
>>69723256
>>69723397
all me

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>>69720452
I don't watch Blaise regularly, but I'm going to say no. Someone can correct me

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Skye is the sexiest EIEN after Navi.

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This thread is now a Skye shrine.
If you say "Thank you Skye", good fortune and dorky gamer girls will flock to you.

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i love navi

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>>69726089
She's definitely been on one tonight

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>>69726289
yes me

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>>69725505
Will those gamer girls also have a problem with me being attracted to them?

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>>69726359

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>>69726359
You know it

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I found this funny frog art

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>ctrl+F Blaise
>0 results
She has been streaming for 10 hours, why isn't anyone talking about her?

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Blaise

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Drakengard reminds me of that Hayao Miyazaki (I think) quote about anime feeling so autistic because the creators learn about life through anime

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So how was Blaise's stream? I like the girl but god damn I just can't get into the games she plays.

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>>69732975
The stream was generally good. I'm the autist earlier who thinks she should shut her mouth when being an ironic weeb, but she otherwise did good. Reached an ending in a single setting, had cute fan moments sometimes, and had Miuna on discord call for a while. I zoned out for the lore bit at the end

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>>69729790
has eri been active also does she have a twitch?
>t.out of the loop

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>>69734360
The rat is on youtube

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>>69734360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTg8c-sRd2E

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I find the girls fun, and the streams enjoyable

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>>69716896
Why did I just find this out...

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>>69719266
You relearn everything in uni anyway, doing good at math in high school just makes it easier, it isn't remotely necessary.

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10

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Bets on the next day Zumi streams?

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>>69740473
She won't stream this week

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>>69740713
Her last stream was literally Valentine's Day a week ago. Zumi, can we at least get a twitter space or something? Also add Museia to your channel's home page already, goddamn

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Kiki Lockheart's lies exposed once again, as well as the hypocrisy of her viewers.
Returning to Kiki's first donothon, it was proven that she had a boyfriend and that her previous account was named "Kuchikicombi". She has performed in Rong Rong videos (hence her appearance in some of his streams) and live as a PNGTuber in the past.

Things have now changed. Back in June 2023, Kiki and a handful of KiChains find themselves offstream on Mino Mieko's discord server in a voice call. This allowed Kiki to avoid EIEN management and spend time with a limited group of KiChains. They played Dota, Overwatch 2, VRChat etc... But that's not the most interesting part.

Kiki and her boyfriend broke up in early September. (Her facebook page has been changed.)

It may seem surprising, but the reason is that she's now in a relationship with one of those viewers. Nekoravanger.
Several pieces of evidence are available
>Nekoravanger disappeared from the community when they got together.
>Kiki talks in a stream about a new campaign on Baldur's Gate 3 with a "new friend", the latter being Nekoravanger.
>Kiki starts playing League Of Legends (now on a private account) with Nekoravanger and claims in the stream to have never touched the game. This is obviously untrue given his level on the game.
>A screen from a Little Goodies Two Shoes stream where Kiki shows she's in VC on her previous account with Nekoravanger.
>A screen showing the two playing Dota together.
>Kiki talks in the stream about how an American friend gave him his Mirana mouse pad. I'll let you guess who this friend is.
>Kiki is strangely attached to American schedules and no longer interacts with his community at all. We wonder why.

For the fun facts that Kiki probably doesn't know, Nekoravanger is 18 years old and known as Kiki Lockheart's biggest stalker.
He'd leave his PC on all day to record every written channel available, as well as record every VC where Kiki was.
He had a double account to stalk Kiki's past account on different servers like Rong Rong or Naokomama for example.

Getting back to Kiki Lockheart, she had leaked personal information to the few KiChains she trusted. I don't know exactly what she leaked, but you can probably ask a regular and he'll probably be able to tell you his name, address, date of birth etc.

However, she also leaked the fact of graduate very soon hence the closure of her Marshmallow.
So it won't be surprising to see an announcement from her soon and for KiChains to pretend to be surprised.

She already has a new account thinking no one knows. Anyway, if you want to put the Kichains on an equal footing Kiki. Cut ties with Nekoravanger and stop lying.

This is the real story behind Kiki Lockheart and its community.

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When's the last time we had a good week?

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>>69742046
>However, she also leaked the fact of graduate very soon hence the closure of her Marshmallow.
If one thing is true in this schizopost I hope it's this one

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Kilia ASMR:

https://youtu.be/ScuedylZ2p8
https://youtu.be/ScuedylZ2p8

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>>69742046
eww

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>>69742046
Proof?

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>>69742046
Why do SEAs struggle so much with pronouns?

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>>69742046
Real or not
>graduate very soon
makes me unease, if she tried to join vallure she would definitely get in and in that case corpo would be doa for me

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>>69744794
>eww graduates
>she joins Vallure
kek now that would be a monkey paw. And Riifu made it clear that she would hire any of her ex genmates if they just asked

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>>69745093
I remember in her first stream somebody said something along the lines of
>Would you hire a certain Filipino loli?
and she said that there are some reasons why she couldn't hire her. Not sure if she said something else later on or if she didn't mean Kiki, but at the time it seemed like she wasn't open to hiring Kiki.

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>>69745224
She's riitarded so she misunderstood, and said later that if Kilia/Skye/Eww ever left Eien and asked her to join Vallure, she would hire them on the spot, and would let them join without even doing lewd content.

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>>69742046
I believe it. There has been enough proof of her playing with Nekoravanger, and she hasn't played with her dear in a long time.
Imagine leaving a long lasting relationship for some random American stalker kek.
It would also explain why none of her regulars asked why she closed her maros.

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>>69745307
That's probably just something she said to put on a good front.
>would let them join without even doing lewd content.
That goes against everything she is currently saying. And hiring Kiki is a death sentence for her corpo

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>>69745435
I don't think she was lying. But it is very unlikely to happen.

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>>69745435
You don't think Riifu is petty enough to do that? Even if it means going against the mission statement of her own project? She'll do anything to spite Eri at this point.

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Does Zumi have the most art in eien? Crazy that's on the back of mostly one dude.

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>>69745728
Most art in Haven sure, but in Eien it's probably Kilia

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>>69742046
>Its
>He

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>>69742046
link the new account

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https://twitter.com/NanimoNavi/status/1760659332977381738
SAY IT BACK!

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>>69745531
>>69745542
>This is where our protection of history of engagement comes in, as well as during the 1 on 1 interview we are making it clear as day what we are asking for. I can't speak for other people but I assume they enguaged in the content, had fun but then slowly realized it wasn't for them after X time. So the history factor we ask for is a good indication of risk. Such as if someone's only been doing it for 3 months might be a risk vs someone who's a year plus+. As for a legit answer if they don't want to before contract end, well it's a risk we take isn't it when it comes to picking out the talents. Time changes everything but we'd probably let the contract run out and take a look at what the talent wants vs what we want. Such as if they wished to stay on, their split rate might change. DESU and this is just me though, not the agency. Having people around a lewd agency that are uncomfy with lewd is just like, bruh why even sign up? Don't waste your time applying ya know?
Riifu is going all in on being coomer and you think she's going to hire the girls who flip flop back and forth about doing lewd content just because they were "friends"?
>Skye and her unstable personality on whether to be coom or not. Make coom bait assets and pictures but breaks down when she is used as coombait
>Kiki with her cuck chair, sudden personality switch which actually isn't a big reveal if you've seen what she has said before joining EIEN
>Kilia the "clueless" tease who wants to be normal
If any of them get into her corpo then it's dead before it can even walk.

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>>69747397
I don't really care whether you believe it or not, I was just paraphrasing was she said. She said she'd make an exception for her ex genmates, and only her ex genmates, and you can check the vod yourself if you don't believe me. Maybe she'd make a non-lewd side branch or side corpo for them or something, I don't fucking know, go ask her if you care that much.

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>>69742046
>>69745355
>Stalking your oshi is the way to get in a relationship with her
Unexpected

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Get some help

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>>69742046
How much of this do you have proof of and how much of it is speculation based on known information?

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>>69748081
And now he has a stalker. The ironing.

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>>69747850
KEK seems like some people really have no social awareness

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If Kiki does graduate, which fanbases take the most collateral damage from the orphaned Kichains?

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>>69748370
Mirricles

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>>69748370
Mirri's is already full of kichains so Amora I guess, since she streams at around Kiki's time.

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>>69748428
Can't get worse desu

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>>69748370
I'm more excited to see how everyone will try to act sad or even cry if they're brave enough. None of the talents seem close at all and there is not much synergy between them.

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>>69748977
>None of the talents seem close at all
Try Navi and Zumi

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>>69742046

Imagine trying to be a streamer in a corpo and actually having a personal life, where off stream you could live life free, I sure can't.
Viewers complain about "immersion breaking" if they see something like OBS accidentally midstream.
Viewers also complain when people dig into PL and IRL and you do anything that goes against what you do when you stream.
Streamers seem pretty much trapped in a corner, and the "perfect streamer" would be someone that CANT have a personal life, like an AI. Because then being trapped in a bubble unable to have a social life CANT affect their streams or mental health.

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>>69749829
She mixed her personal life with the corpo, what are you on about

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>>69750079
Oh I know, but why does it actually matter so much, I stopped watching her a while ago, I just see it like "Why are people unable to move on" like, what level of tism do you need to have in order to spend so much free time hatewatching and paying attention to enough small details when you could be enjoying yourself doing more positive things with your life? I mean, I understand most of that statement falls on deaf ears.. But realistically, what is there to actually gain from someone still bashing on kiki? Self-satisfaction? Pretending that you got "revenge" on someone that "broke your heart" and "betrayed your emotions?" You're watching Anime girls, most of them are varying degrees of actors, that have varying types of content, if you don't like it, then why not just move on instead of wasting more time whining about it?

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>>69750484
go on and slay, kilia

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>>69750484
I don't follow her or watch her but, as long as she's still in the corpo, and her fans are actively the worst part of the community, I will shit talk her when presented an opportunity.

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>>69750995
That's Zumi, Kilia hates Kiki

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>>69750995
Faggot

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>>69750484
Here's an interesting schizo thought: the anon has a lot of information that he seems absolutely sure of yet there's no hard proof of. What if he was in this kichain "inner circle" but isn't happy about being cucked by nekoravanger and now wants to get back at her?

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>>69750484
You're making light of their feelings. From what I see, Kichains care about Kiki but she doesn't give a damn about them. She has already made the decision to discard them, if she graduates as >>69742046 says

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>>69751155
>she's still in the corpo, and her fans are actively the worst part of the community, I will shit talk her when presented an opportunity.
Fair to a certain degree I'd say, just seems excessive for it to be so much effort most of the time when at this point most of the people that care about the finer details already know. So going about it with just a barrage of PL info that leads to making potential future streamers (or current ones) second guess their decision to be a streamer, and paranoid over any tiny detail they share with viewers down to even being concerned about being able to play games on a different account online without it revolving around streaming then it just ends up not being a net positive for anybody because generally a happy streamer = happy fans.
But I guess that's just moreso my thoughts beyond just what I see / want to see / care about. But for schizo's thinking about most things from a perspective that doesn't revolve around them and the perspective they see their life and everything in it from could be too much of a big ask.

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>>69751747
Look man what you are saying makes sense, but when your job is just to treat your fans nicely and keeping your personal life out of your job (and that's only if you are looking to make gfe or something similar your main appeal) and you fail at something as easy as that then I can't feel bad for her

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>>69751411
Or what if he's just another deranged shizo pulling the biggest pile of shit he could muster out of his ass

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>>69751411
I was practically baiting that perspective honestly, Inner circle kiichains complaining only now would basically be the epitome of "IT SHOULDVE BEEN MEEEE" Where they are complaining now, but if it was them then they wouldn't be complaining. Only really freaking out because they didn't get chosen, and only would've been happy if THEY were the one chosen
>>69751419
That could be the case, but I'd actually argue that in reality the Kiichains that are the loudest about it and try to "get revenge" are ones that actually cared more about themselves than they did Kiki; I mean I'm not a fan of getting kucked myself, but cmon now, anybody that was a kichain that WASNT okay with it should've fallen of the keychain by now. You didn't do yourself any favors lying to yourself about reality this whole time, and If they really are that hurt about it, revenge won't actually help you heal or get over it.
>>69751929
Would be low-key funny if that was the case, but if he was, then that'll just do even more damage because it only does more damage when it's unconfirmed and unprovable for or against, lmao

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>>69751747
You'd be surprised the amount of leeway good opsec can buy a chuuba in her personal life. Just look at what Rushia was able to get away with for so long. And once again, Kiki is a special case because she pierced the keyfabe veil during the Dota community stream. It's not quite comparable to the situation most chuubas will find themselves in.

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>riifu talk earlier and now long kiki discussion
We are so back to pre haven times

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>>69752264
If someone is this desperate to have discussion about Kiki without getting dogpilled by antis and schizos Idk why they just don't go to /uoh/ where she's at least tolerated because half of the other cunny chuubas are also deranged whores

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Was thinking about getting a few skebs for Navi but I can already see myself getting canceled on or price hiked because of her design complications. Might have to go the alternative outfits route...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752593
Navi's design is really simple though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752593
Comission art of her naked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752593
She doesn't seem that hard to draw though, at leat for any decent artists. Just give them her character sheet

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751747
Oh come on, don't act like you never once in your life hated something then went on to read, watch things, or talk about hating it. You never talked shit about another person ever in your life? You never complained about anyone or anything to another person in your life?
It's always funny seeing people like you who act like these things humans do never apply to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752593
I've gotten dozens of skebs and I've never gotten a price increase appeal because of a complicated character design, and I request the recommended amount most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752697
>>69752723
I've been cancelled on for less than Navi's outfit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752452
>>69752843
>fe hated something then went on to read, watch things, or talk about hating it. You never talked shit about another person ever in your life? You never complained about anyone or anything to another person in your life?
Oh I certainly did, and anybody that swears it never happened to them once would obviously be lying, but the thing was one day I grew up.
Just because someone does something in their past doesn't immediately make them a hypocrite for speaking against other people doing it; And that's the kind of mentality that keeps people from actually improving themselves because what's the point of doing anything better because you will always be judged the rest of your life by your low points?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753172
you sure you're not just getting scammed? The only time when get a price jump is if I want extra stuff like alt outfits and backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.]

This guy might be worse than Z*w

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751929
By thinking and digging a bit, most of what they said seem to be true
>Kiki broke up with her dear for Nekoravanger
She hasn't played Dota with her dear since August, but she played with Nekoravanger. Considering how addicted she is to that garbage game, it's weird she wouldn't play with her bf anymore.
>Nekoravanger stopped replying to her tweets early September, which is the timing described in the OP.
He didn't need to reply to tweets if he could just DM her. He still sent a few messages on the public discord after that but way less than he used to, and now completely stopped.
>Nekoravanger playing games with her
We already have multiple proofs of that
>Kiki going in VC with Kichains, will graduate and closed her maros
Explains why no one freaked out at it, she told them in voice chat
Definitely a Kichain from the inner circle who snapped, tired of the lies.
>>69742046
>Anyway, if you want to put the Kichains on an equal footing Kiki. Cut ties with Nekoravanger and stop lying.
Poor Kichain, I understand that Kiki is a bad person who manipulated you guys, and went to laugh behind your backs with Nekoravanger, but are you really trying to make her crawl back to you after that message? If she reads it, she will know that one of her trusted Kichains backstabbed her (deserved btw), and won't want to talk to any of you guys. The best outcome for you out of this is her ditching Nekoravanger because of his stalking.

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>>69753172
Still looks fairly simple as far as vtubers go. Besides it's skeb you don't lose anything if the request gets canceled or appealed

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752708
Does she even have a lewd tag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753615
Having money held for up to a month at a time is still annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753400
I can only judge z*w from undelete discord messages and screenshot I've seen /here/ but he's definitely comparable. Can only hope the people that finally got him banned are still on the mod team and take action if this shit continues.

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>>69753307
>Oh I certainly did, and anybody that swears it never happened to them once would obviously be lying, but the thing was one day I grew up.
Yeah, you grew up and now complain about people who watch vtubers. Funny how that works
>Just because someone does something in their past doesn't immediately make them a hypocrite
The point is that it's human nature and your holier than thou act is stupid. I can use your entire argument against you and ask why you care so much about random people talking about kiki.
>But for schizo's thinking about most things from a perspective that doesn't revolve around them and the perspective they see their life and everything in it from could be too much of a big ask.
You're so enlightened you don't realize your argument applies to you.

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>>69748081
Bro she just wants a green card

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753692
Fair, although if an artist keeps my request pending for longer than a week I just cancel it myself at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69750484
>I just see it like "Why are people unable to move on"
Funny enough when gen 2 was near and people feeling more hopeful than angry the thread was starting to give her a pass and Eww posting started to slow down after her off collab with Skye and the half aniversery. People assumed she just made a mistake in the past and now just wants to get past it so her community can be happy and vice versa since Eien was at such a low point. But the Nekoravanger shit was caught on stream and the day that Riro yab was new people found her playing with him and quickly more eyes from before started to jump back in, eww post, shit up the thread, and watch Kiki's every move for more fuck ups which was also blown up. If Kiki didn't have new things added to her "list of crimes" since the Dota stream then that would be different but now that she does people are more likely to schizo post without anyone defending her since kichains fucked off to other threads and casual watchers dont care enough to defend her or are just as confused about what's true or not. Look at Blaise, someone who has PL junk that was shitposted about the week she came out or whenever she got praise from one of the few ryubies here early on. Now we're 3 months in with little to no signs of her doing what she did before again. Just streams, singing, and getting drunk a few times. If it was "just PL shit" Blaise would get shit still today as a grifter or whatever but because she hasn't fucked up hard as Blaise no one cares. Kiki fucked up on stream first, then fucked up on stream again months later and got caught both times and thats why eww posting is thread culture at this point. None of the 7 other girls have the problem only Kiki has and thats why she gets shit on so often by people who probably dont care about her anyways.

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>>69748323
Did she talk about that publicly? Recently?

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>>69750484
Anon, even if you disregard betrayed feelings and broken promises, she made money off of being a literal scam artist

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754107
I'll let it sit longer if they actually show their "average time to respond" and a long wait time is normal. Some artists might make you wait a week or two before they accept but then have the art to you within that week.

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>>69754318
No, I don't think Kiki talked about the fact Nekoravager has a schizo stalking the games he's playing and I don't know why she would

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>>69753995
>Yeah, you grew up and now complain about people who watch vtubers. Funny how that works
I don't see what you see is so wild about that, Though I'd hardly call what I was doing actually complaining more than trying to get a better understanding as to why certain people didn't want to move on from complaining about it, and applying the concerns to a scope broader than "Just kiki"

>The point is that it's human nature and your holier than thou act is stupid. I can use your entire argument against you and ask why you care so much about random people talking about kiki.
Believe it or not sometimes to be able to choose certain words to elicit responses or actual thinking from others does require a certain verbage that may be triggering to some that may have low self esteem and may lead to some misinterpretations of intent behind the messages. For some people it's easier to just lash out and try to pidgeonhole other peoples perspective because that is far easier to do than trying to understand the reasoning behind it (Or that it just goes against the narrative you want to be true)
>You're so enlightened you don't realize your argument applies to you.
Oh I'm well aware it does, but it's alright Shay, I'm sure one day you'll be able to process information beyond what's immediately obvious and recognize things like nuances without feeling like you have to actively attack anything you don't agree with or understand

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>>69755377
Jesus christ, shut the fuck up Zow

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754925
Cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755764
Sorry, meant for
>>69755548

[Anonymous No.]

This is the worst thread we've had in a long time

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755764
SmokyJo seems fine to me

[Anonymous No.]

I've been thinking, who is Eri's silent partner? Where does she get the money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755937
Likely just some techbro start-up investor. They're a dime-a-dozen.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't forget that Kiki made Kichains buy a ring for their engagement while she was already in a relationship with Nekoravanger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756178
That is what I figured, considering where others got theirs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756279
>>69755937
It's nice that we know exactly where Riifu got hers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756434
Where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756478
The black market

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755764
based
You still type like that faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756210
I guess this makes sense now. All the cucks on the side celebrating kiki and neko's relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756866
>>69756210
>I warned you about GFE bro
>IT KEEPS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756987
Buoys are in for a rude awakening

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756866
Are they all really cucks if she alternates between them?

[Anonymous No.]

I miss my wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756794
Noted... I'll be better...

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>>69756866
The ones where they only show the ring always make me laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757281
Surely, she'll do a space this soon, right? I just want to hear her voice and about her week...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757807
She's too busy preparing my onahole mold, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>69758398
Imagine how tight the Zumi ona would be...

[Anonymous No.]

I want Blaise to choke me with her nails digging into my skin

[Anonymous No.]

I want Amora to choke me with her braps flooding into my nose

[Anonymous No.]

Frogfags are off topic, your vtuber doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

I want Zumi to choke me with her sweaty ass planted on my face

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760302
get new material faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread
One year later and we are so fucking back

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760533
"we've come back full circle" how many times now? I lost count...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760533
Gen 3 will save us

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760302
>t. riinigger

[Anonymous No.]

Streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764282
Amora is live with Spectra RIGHT NOW

https://www.youtube.com/live/Nvxe1f1ShZA?si=SJDyFUEx81L4y7ZX

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxe1f1ShZA

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756210
>>69756866
kichains started that and convinced her to get one

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764484
>106 ccv
Are we tired of Minecraft?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69765393
idc I just enjoy Amora's voice
t. Ryubie/Luminaut

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[Anonymous No.]

>>69767902
Zumi looking for reasons to cancel streams

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>>69764484
I don't get the chance to watch Amora often but it would be interesting if she could start some sort of multi-vtuber SMV server. Make it more of an event series that emulates the Minecraft fleshtubers she enjoys. Only this time with cute and sexy cartoon women.

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>>69768074
imo trying to wrangle vtubers long enough to make more than one collab is way too hard, especially across other corpo. hell, Amora & Blaise's Book Club collab was delayed for 2 months, and they're the most active Haven members

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>>69755861
>56 posters

[Anonymous No.]

Kilia
https://www.youtube.com/live/2oGmcWb0ATE?si=XFjcA16DJ2Zc1XbD

[Anonymous No.]

>>69767902
Imagine her sticking her ass out while crawling around looking for her glasses...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69767902
Who is the Shaggy Rogers of Eien?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69769019
In terms of being a scaredy cat, probably Skye

[Anonymous No.]

Blaisu-chama is live! playing the latest Nier Replicant
https://www.youtube.com/live/vuUkR5JLgUE?si=nrourkF-K81lN1Pb

[Anonymous No.]

>>69769019
Daphne = Amora
Fred = Skye (bro)
Shaggy = Navi
Scooby = Blaise
Scrappy Doo = Kiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>69769522
Doggystyle sex with Blaisey-doo...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm kinda falling for Kilia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69770064
Based! Become a buoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69770845
you got any good VoDs I can watch

[Anonymous No.]

How many hours of Blaise's 36 hour marathon actually got streamed? Talk about cancel corp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69771547
Day 1: 6 out of 12
Day 2: 11 hours(stopped due to reaching an ending)
Day 3: 30 minutes (Blaise is moving Saturday's karaoke to tonight)

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>>69771246
Karaoke
https://www.youtube.com/live/bArzLJc89GQ?si=85CCDj2TaSQ0WD1p
And something recent
https://www.youtube.com/live/yiKzYNqa1qg?si=f8VDrIi5Fn9I7old
The recent members date is also a good one but I don't know if you're into that (gfe) or a member.
Her asmr streams are good too.

[Anonymous No.]

When know you do Zumi, especially with a new PC, but chatting with the frogwife is nice too

[Anonymous No.]

>>69771967
Wow, since she is an autistic programmer, this fuck up must be really embarrassing for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>69772130
Faulty power supplies aren't exactly self-repairable

[Anonymous No.]

>>69772666
Damn, didn't see that part. Really fucked up that all those bad things keep happening to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755764
glad im still under the radar

[Anonymous No.]

>>69772839
That was just a PNG that was saved from god knows how long ago, not really very relevant anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>69773460
I was about to ask what got someone labeled a schizo as opposed just well-known. You still see a lot of the listed guys but they're hardly the most prominent community members currently.

[Anonymous No.]

kilia screams are kinda erotic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760883
Gen 3 will destroy us

[Anonymous No.]

Kek

[Anonymous No.]

Gen 3 will give me the analingus chuuba I deserve

[Anonymous No.]

I hate gaming streams because I'm not a gamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>69774205
Yeah the dark elf Shinryu sister will destroy my dick

[Anonymous No.]

Ryubies, why didn't blaise do her nier stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>69777736
her capture card was glitching out, and after delaying it for 30mins, decided to cancel the stream

She later found out its her drivers that are outdated

[Anonymous No.]

>>69777736
She couldn't capture the gameplay without stuttering

[Anonymous No.]

>>69778128
While admirable the marathon was just too ambitious for a spur-of-the-moment idea

[Anonymous No.]

Blaise

[Anonymous No.]

>>69779789
Is cute, yes

[Anonymous No.]

Sex with Blaise

[Anonymous No.]

Even if it's controversial, I still love Zumi

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Me? I'm watching shiori

[Anonymous No.]

Blaise.......

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/SmrY3WEdENo
https://youtu.be/K09EEST5_pA
1 year already...

[Anonymous No.]

Hello. I recently listened to this Kilia girl and I like her voice. But I'm allergic to giving ewhores money. Are her members ASMRs any good? Since this is the ewhore company, are they really hot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69790441
She doesn't do coomer ASMR no.

[Anonymous No.]

Blaise Nier karaoke
https://youtu.be/Cw9pwiOgCDM

[Anonymous No.]

>>69792043
Why are the Shinryu sisters so consistently good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69792579
Skye...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69792579
Part of the curse

[Anonymous No.]

>>69794523
eternally good
eternally menhera

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>69795203
Careful anon, notZow and Dark are currently interacting with each other in there. You're bound to get cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69795449
is Zow still around? holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

Dark please if you are reading this, shut up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69795768
Either a ban evade alt or somehow more autistic copycat

[Anonymous No.]

GHR08

[Anonymous No.]

>>69792043
Archive
https://gofile.io/d/qb8WC0

[Anonymous No.]

Just woke up. What the fuck happened itt

[Anonymous No.]

>>69796391
Kikis antis have their own antis now. A very cancerous development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69795888
damn I left the cord after the ew chair incident, wild

[Anonymous No.]

DARK SHUT THE FUCK UP HOLY SHIT DUDE

[Anonymous No.]

DARK HOLY SHIT SHUT UP

[Anonymous No.]

I tried to warn you since the first Amora streams
Never give this kind of person an inch

[Anonymous No.]

>>69796918
>>69796939
>>69797050
What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe that Navi feels like opening up about a very sensitive topic and Dark out of all people thinks its a good idea to say what is basically an "Um, ackshually" moment.
I'm so done with luminauts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69797303
Look man, we can all agree how shit he is as a person, but let's not automatically disparage an entire fanbase. We want nothing to do with him.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>69797168
>navi going into a detailed story about the somewhat recent loss of a loved one who was her emotional confidant
>being very open and vulnerable, obviously seeking some form of comfort from her community
>says she'll never meet a more amazing woman again
>dark responds: "uhhh, are you sure about that?!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69797168
Nvm, I just went and checked. Jesus Christ. Can't a mod pull him aside and spell out for him why he's being retarded? He's apparently too dumb or self-centered to read the room.
>>69797647
He's unironically retarded. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

AND HES STILL GOING! MAN, JUST STOP TYPING, STOP SENDING MESSAGES, IM BEGGING YOU!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

And we're supposed to be the schizos, holy fuck

[Anonymous No.]

I can't bear to watch this anymore. This is physically painful. I am having a physical reaction to reading his bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw I don't have a discord

[Anonymous No.]

If dark costs us our late night chats with Navi I really will make the most autistic alt account imaginable. The mods will be made to do their jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69798077
You're actually saving yourself from the pain. We weren't joking when we said discord was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

It's so fucking over, why does this community attract these people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69798077
stay safe, skyelight

[Anonymous No.]

>>69798616
Retarded autists who can't understand basic social cues and interactions flock to internet anime girl because the real world would literally chew them up and spit them out. Not really that big a wonder.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so depressed after that
debugs please gatekeep harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>69798737
To add to this, I'm also retarded and autistic but at least I have more sense than people like Dark and Z*w

[Anonymous No.]

>>69798737
I always consider myself a hyper autist until I see these people and feel like a social savant

[Anonymous No.]

>"Ratiod by Skye"
>"Most targeted Luminaught"
What is it with niggas who have stupid titles in their names? Unbearable spergs every last one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69799065
Narcissists. They think themselves so self-important that they feel deserved of putting dumbass titles in their names, as if it gives them so enhanced status.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69799065
My favorite is still the underage "luminaut" who got angry at Amora for stream issues that weren't even her fault (it was youtube not working properly), and got piled on by half of the talents. He was actually really happy about it and immediately added "ratio'd by eien" in his name or something like that. He then got banned a week later for doing it again.

[Anonymous No.]

Bros I just wanna sit with skye at a bonfire in DS2 what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69799590
He just skulks around the Idol discord now. No more spergouts so maybe he finally took the hint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69799689
Well, the most unbearable Skyelight and the most retarded Luminaut walk into a bar...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a buoychainlight

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800029
That dude barely even makes it into the top 5 of the worst discord members these days...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69799689
It always comes back to Discord, and I'll tell you why:

Discord should be used as an information hub for talent streams and activities, occasional moderated timed meet and greets, and a place for viewers to otherwise interact only with each other.

By heavily encouraging and allowing significant talent interaction with users in discord, this creates a schism in which cliques form and specific members are able to cement themselves more easily in the memories/minds of the talents, which no matter what anyone else says, causes additional bias (either for, or against).

Additionally, allowing talents to have discord chat open during streams causes an attention split when the focus should be entirely on the youtube stream. Youtube viewers/chatters have their messages more often missed/overlooked, whereas discord users have additional chances for their messages to be seen due to the slower nature. The fact is that not everyone who watches the youtube stream, has discord, or is in the discord at the time. This is more so for people who watch on their phone, as they can't easily go back and forth between youtube and discord.

tl;dr Discord is cancer for vtubers if they are not heavily separated from their community enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
Also this applies mostly to corpos. It's a whole different thing for indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
I miss the 3 week period we had before the eien discord launched
I know most talents were livereading the threads but still

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800653
Truly the golden age of EIEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
If you want fan interaction? Do it on twitter.
Streams should be youtube only.
Discord for fanbases only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800683
frankly I blame Riifu for actually actively participating in voice chat, even Kiki only responded in voice like once a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
I can at least agree that's it's retarded for a talent to actively read discord chat over their stream chat. Luckily the Haven girls I've watched have only done so when requesting a link to something relevant to the stream at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800823
One benefit of a lazy mod staff is that there will never be a voice chat on the server again of any kind

[Anonymous No.]

>>69796327
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

Navi really is such a precious cutie. Even if her zoomerism is terminal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
Are the cliques in the room with us now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69801630
Anyone who is in the discord is painfully aware of them. Just go look at Skye's birthday stream and the "viewer's awards" segment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69801771
There are certainly circlejerks with some of the fanbases in the discord. But not every talent has one. Unless you believe dumb shit like the OSRS clique. A group so favored Zumi put their game on indefinite hiatus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69800415
If all corpos do everything the same way, then there's barely anything that sets them apart from one another. Innovation and "new ideas" barely have much of an opportunity in an environment where everybody is expected to do everything the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69801630
You can't go two minutes on Kilia's channels without that dranagon faggot bringing up his private buoy cliquecord

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802093
There's a big difference between talents doing things "the same way" and running a corpo. There are corpos in which established practices have proven effective and work for a reason, while talents each have their own unique way of streaming. You're conflating the two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802227
Eiens whole shtick is being a corpo in the loosest definition possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802124
How the fuck is that not bannable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69760480
Get a streamer that streams. also cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802333
They can keep doing things their way. That's up to them. It's just painful watching them and seeing where improvements/changes can be made, but aren't resulting in the clusterfucks and drama that we end up with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802436
Took you 10 hours to come up with that? Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802472
I'd certainly agree that there's issues. Not helped by all the talent drama at the corpos beginning and overly lax moderation. I just don't think the solution is to turn into a less popular idol or phase.

[Anonymous No.]

Good night /eien/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802641
In an effort to produce productive conversation, what ideas, if any, do you have or suggest that would help with the issues, without turning into "a less popular idol or phase".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69802712
In large part I honestly don't know. I'm no community manager. But a mod staff that acts more like actual staff and not just like every other chatter but with a special colored name, as well as enforcing rules other than fucking talent pings and whatever Clarrisa feels is "offtopic" that day, couldn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69803049
I think mods in general are still issues, as from what I've seen, most communities are usually filled with mods that are basically the same way. You just end up lucking out sometimes on certain mods that are objectively better at the job than others.
I do want to say though that, being a less popular idol or phase, is not necessarily a bad thing to start out. Like with reinventing the wheel, there are some things that just work. There's no shame in using similar practices as successful companies. Everyone starts at the bottom. Phase took two years before they really started gaining a lot of momentum, based on what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69803227
Problem being that this is not a good time to start at the bottom. The western side of this industry is more cutthroat than ever, twice as saturated, and with a corpo collapsing every other month. Start too low and there might not be a ladder to even grab on to.

[Anonymous No.]

Baking

[Anonymous No.]

>>69803424
And on top of those bits, the "proven effective and work for a reason" corpos were also ones that had their own working systems as they grew, when the market itself for vtubing wasn't as wide, so they had the opportunity to grow their communities within the given channels they already were using / had available.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69804318
>>69804318
>>69804318