What caused nijien's high turnover rate?

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I don't understand

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They apparently deny you access to doing anything cool that would grow your channel.
And they have internal conflict issues of some sort or another.

[Anonymous No.]

black company

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>>69484228
bad management

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>>69484228
What do you mean "high turnover rate" gaijins ? Witness me releasing 5 extra waves

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>>69484228
Successful vtuber corpos understand to farm viewers i.e. you the viewer are the product they sell to sponsors, events, etc. Niji genuinely believes the talents are the product and viewers are just customers. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

Bad characters worming their way into the company and disrespecting the procedure to acquire perms.

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>>69484228
>What caused nijien's high turnover rate?
Letting Elira manage the EN branch

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>>69484307
first they okay it, then they slow walk the payment until you commit your own resources then they cancel it at the last minute

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>>69484228
Only the manipulative faggot remains

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>>69484228
>4/5 of that pic is gone
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

HoloSlop streams getting low numbers deflection thread.

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>>69484923
Fuck off Millie.

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>>69484228
Milord please don’t leave me...

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>>69484228
They didn't get the OK from manesan for their projects.

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>>69484228
When Vox goes when can have an all enemies cleared or all hostages left on this image.

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>>69486273
what is manesan's name?

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>>69486808
jeff

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>>69484634
oh fuckOOHHHFUCKFUCK IM ... IM GONNA DEBUUUUUUT!

[Anonymous No.]

High turnover rate?
There is no high turnover rate

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Genuinely, if they didn't ACCELERATE maybe they would have had time to invest in the earlier waves and provide sufficient non-SEA NFT-brain management.

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>>69484228
Dogshit management is the root cause. Competent management would help the employees and also reduce employee conflicts.

[Anonymous No.]

same enrgy

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>>69484228
>incompetent and petty manchildren for managers that don't even speak English
>stifling clique within the branch that bullies anyone who doesn't fall in line
>absolutely awful fanbase
>anyone with ambition beyond just streaming games gets their plans shot down for no reason
>half your coworkers are complete retards
>extreme favoritism
Who knows?

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>>69484228
Quantity over quality, internal competition puts pressure on the livers to take the initiative, but also leads to stressful work environments. You sacrifice more people in the short term but have a higher chance of striking gold without paying for expensive events and promotions. Plus by flooding the market you can get first mover advantage, keep up the hype and bind customers to the company.

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>>69491789
unfortunately this strategy didn't account for their best hires coming early and later hires contributing to toxic office politics that systematically ganged up on said upper talents and drove them out

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>>69486808
* heavy indian accent *
Hello sirs, my name is Richard Johnson.

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>>69484228
Apply and find out

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>>69486043
When was the last night a niji got over 2k that wasn't Selen?

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>>69484228
>shit management
>esl managers that is closer to english third language
>cliques
>nepotism (haha, what a coincidence that all my friends got into niji like I did!)
>2%
>projects get killed on the regular
>any "creative" livers get put in line
>no events
>nothing unique except just streaming and gaming.

gee i wonder

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Here is your reason for high turnover rate.

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>>69490104
Seriously, I don't understand how they expected anyone but the most hardcore fans to attach to THIRTY-TWO characters released over a bit more than a year. Let alone weak aesthetic choices on a lot of them.

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>>69484228
In EN's case, it's Elira's clique

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>>69484634
Riku accelerating his compay's downfall

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>>69486043
>Holo mention out of nowhere
Rent is free

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>>69494041
enna and reimu have always blurred together in my brain and that was literally wave 3 (2 if we're being honest) so pretty much nobody had a chance to find their footing and the voice before the next batch was flying down the chute; you could see the machine overheats when it spat out some of the all-time shitters in xsoleil (iluna was better at least)

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>>69484228
What working for a black company does to a motherfucker

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>>69484307
Really? Anything particularly big? I haven't heard much about them recently.

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>>69497900
>colors concert
>selens music video
>pomu's collab with mgs
Thise are the big ones, but there's probably a whole bunch of shit that never even makes it past the drawing board.

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>>69484228
A mix of horrible management, insecurity from Holo, and getting threads shitting on them constantly mixes into a sad, toxic cancer environment that seems like an hero is the only way out.

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>>69484228
Same thing that causes high turnover rates in most work environments that aren't adequately compensated for the work/life balance or stress caused.
Outside of cases where management went full malicious and schizo terminated talents themselves anyway.
NijiEN has managed to create an almost perfect cocktail of awful management, shitty co-workers and cliques that strangle those that don't wanna conform to unreasonable standards.

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>>69484228
>black company
>bitchy cliques
>bad communication
>no management
>projects cancelled

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>>69491789
>Plus by flooding the market you can get first mover advantage, keep up the hype and bind customers to the company
That doesn't work when there is a healthy indie community.

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>>69484228
According to Lawyer Malfoy's chat expert opinion

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>>69500003
Given the amount of 1views out there I am inclined to agree, however the corpo advantage still overshadows the weaker side of the indine market.
Unless you're at minimum at /orc/ levels you aren't even gonna appear on basic radars within the spheres.

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>>69495989
I'm still convinced there is three Kyos with different voices in EN.

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>>69499604
Sorry, anon, I was attempting to be sarcastic there. I appreciate the legitimate answer, though.

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>>69491789
>keep up the hype and bind customers to the company.
What hype?
There is barely any events and no 3D debuts(and subsequently no 3D lives). They don't even hype their debuts now, the latest wave just got an announcement a week before debut and that's it, they don't even have a group song.

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>>69484228
pic very related

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>>69500155
why did you censor this anon

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>>69484228
Their survival of the fittest model works like that

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>>69484228
>Barely any concerts
>Your grandchildren would have children of their own before Niji releases your 3D model
>Outrageously incompetent management
>Your career is practically a failure if you don't bend your knee to the alleged Elira clique
>Lots of incoming fresh blood in the span of a single year, which is a problem for Gen Z whose attention spans won't last for more than 10 seconds
>Favoritism of particular livers
>Lots of merch. Often shoddy, low-quality, and livers get a miniscule cut (1-3%) of the merch they sold, which poses a problem for more underrated livers. Even fanmade merch is oftentimes better than the slop they serve.
>Managers say no to ambitious projects, not even giving it a single thought unless it involves their golden geese of livers

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>>69484228
BLACK
COMPANY

[Anonymous No.]

bad luck

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>>69484228
it's a business model

[Anonymous No.]

I did

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>>69484634
Where you gettin' livers, yachtman

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>>69506710
>Even fanmade merch is oftentimes better than the slop they serve.
Not even "oftentimes". When those merch places were announcing on Twitter that they planned to can their Niji merch, I checked most of their catalogs. Did not see a single thing that is worse than the bog standard "Acrylic Standee, Acrylic Keychain, Small Poster" combo that Niji puts out for everything.

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>>69484228
Not sure what there is to understand.
It's just not a good company.

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>>69484228
Let's pretend for a moment that Niji is a pristine company with no drama to its name.
In 2024, company loyalty is not incentivized in the corporate world, because employers do not update compensation packages frequently enough, and promotions are frequently difficult to access or don't offer enough of a significant bump in compensation. You are instead incentivized to change employers every 2-3 years to develop a career, as markets shift and other employers become available. The only way employers can prevent this is to keep their compensation updated with the rest of the job market, or to be ahead of the curve in the first place. Corporate vtubing is not playing by different rules, but a lot of a company's ability to thrive depends on PR management, and a good chunk of your business is reliant on public-facing employees, so the compensation package for talent matters to outsiders just as much as the actual employees. Viewers want to know that their oshi is getting taken care of; this is one of the core drivers of the parasocial business model.

What does Nijisanji offer as a compensation package? Well, from Niji's own mouth, and the mouths of their talents:
>A model, with a few provisionary names that you can pick from if you don't want to come up with your own. Lore is not included, but you will get wavemates that have a rough theme that you can work with.
>An iPhone to use for face tracking.
>1~3% of merch sales (accounts all indicate it is incredibly low, but may vary slightly by talent)
>30~50% of superchats and memberships, after Youtube's cut (accounts here are rough and conflict with each other a bit, so this figure might be wrong)
>The potential for 3D. Note that 3D is not a guarantee, even if you hit their milestone requirement.
>Guaranteed initial burst of subs/views on debut.
>Usual fluff corpospeak "benefits" for independent contractors of any field, such as being able to control your own schedule and provide your own equipment.

Of the major vtuber-focused corpos in the EN sphere, they are offering the absolute worst compensation package, and it's not even close. An indie signing on with a streamer talent management agency will be getting better management AND a better cut of the revenue, with almost none of the restrictions, and you get the opportunity to reinvest in yourself however you like.
Nijisanji's issues all stem from the fact that they're stuck in the 2018~2020 era of vtubing. They are trying to run a global business as if it was a Japanese business exclusive to a Japanese market with a limited global market of weebs. They're treating vtubing as a tiny, niche hobby that they are industry leaders on, when the real industry leaders have left them in the dust. Even in JP, Phase is beating your average Liver. A fucking fish that sells coffee and lusts after hags is stronger than 90% of Nijisanji in both branches. That should be disgraceful for one of the oldest companies in the business.
Niji needs to update their shit and stop acting like the rest of the business doesn't exist.

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>>69494041
They don't, the new waves are supposed to provide content for the type of people who watch a streamer for a few months, before jumping to another streamer, instead of lifelong loyalty. I don't think it's a bad idea and it would have worked if Niji reinvested some in their talents and events, instead of pocketing all the cash.

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>>69484228
>too many people to support
>poorly trained/not enough managers
>main branch does not care about en

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>>69484228
It's not high. It's industry standard. Companies like Phase Connect and Hololive are really weird for the lengths they go to keep talent on-staff.

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>>69500155
Yeah that's very believable. You see the same thing in cutthroat sales departments and boiler rooms.

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>>69484228
Isn't Aster still in Niji?

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>>69520425
That's 1-3% GROSS of merch, not NET, which is much greater than it appears. If your merch sells for $15, on average that $3 per acrylic standee instead of $15-$5 (merchant)-$5 (restock), or 10¢ per standee.

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>>69520425
>Even in JP, Phase is beating your average Liver
Is that supposed to be a joke?
The average for NijiJP is 3800 viewers, the average for Phase is 600.

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>>69484228
Holobrony harassment and death threats

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>>69504311
It's funny because when you say "survival of the fittest model" you would expect to see only the most talented people remaining, not the most obnoxious bitches in the room.

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>>69524675
Being a bitch is also a survival strategy.

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>>69500155
I forgive them doing what they had to do except what they did to Sayu. If they DM her and actually bury the hatchet and Sayu says herself they apologized in private I'm willing to let it all go. She's said herself she's open and willing to forgive almost anyone as long as they genuinely apologize.

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>>69484228
>Highly competitive environment with low rewards
Gee, I wonder what?!?

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>>69524424
Context, anon.
Phase is paying their talents better and offering them more benefits. Which is the entire context of the post.
Doesn't matter if you have 3 million viewers or 3 viewers if you get paid $10 either way.

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lol

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>>69484593
*based

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>>69484228
Idk. What's so hard about staying in your fucking lane and playing video games though?
It's literally one of the best jobs out there, and you goddamn nijiniggers had to incorporate high school drama bullshit.
If only you experienced this shit in actual high school you wouldn't have to apply it this far in life.
You all deserve it. You reap what you sow.

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>>69484228
https://twitter.com/Kapustk11829354/status/1759302331227599076
I guess its this

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>>69531232
>I don't mind rats that much
>rats are kinda neat
>especially in nijisanjien but now they aren't very nice to me
Huh?

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>>69531751
>he's talking about how /vt/ has been mildly ribbing him for being so pointless in the black screen stream.

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>>69490104
investing in their was never part of the plan anon, niji have always had a 'throw shit at the wall and see what sticks' approach

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>>69484228
they dont know asian culture, having work is a blessing and should be the only happiness you need.

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>>69531847
>who?

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>>69531232
>not very nice
Does he not realize he got off the best out of the three? He got light ribbing at most

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>>69484228
People found out it's easier to grift an audience and leave rather than stay

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>>69535622
Water bottle asmr

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>>69520425
>An indie signing on with a streamer talent management agency will be getting better management AND a better cut of the revenue
Worth noting that even if you do go with a corpo, most (relevant) corpos re-invest better than Niji.
Ex-Nijis have outright said that their managers didn't help with shit, and we can plainly see that they can't get 3D models much less a concert.

Since the EN branches started up, Yagoo drastically increased the amount of support staff in the company and spent billions of yen on a huge state-of-the-art 3D capture studio that everyone gets flown into to record concerts and events, including overseas branches and Stars.
Riku bought a yacht.

Even if I didn't know about 2% vs 50%, I know which one I'd feel better giving that cut to.

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>>69535622
i mean he is right, they're being "not very nice" to him, whereas they are almost literally ripping vox and elira apart

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>>69524720
True, they were hoping for survival of the fittest regarding talent, but instead got a pecking order social hierarchy were being a sociopath or bootlicker is what you need to survive.

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>>69540324
The newest nijinigger buzzword

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>>69541577
Wasn't Kiara having issues with 3D? Cover seems to be making smaller but similar mistakes. They'd do well to notice what happened and step it up.

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>>69543801
Her ass wasn't fat enough in 3d

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>>69535622
He's literally probably the only one that people aren't out for blood for. I can barely remember what he said, but IIRC it was something like "this is for the lawyers to deal with", which was the only decent take in the entire vid.

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>>69543801
Her issues stemmed from her wanting her butt to be bigger

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>>69543801
She was in a debate with management because she wanted her ass to be fatter, and Cover thought her skirt was too short to have a proper ass.

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>>69517834
In my country we have the saying "Where did you find (person/object)? In a bag of chips?", meaning that said person/object is cheap, low-quality and useless. It originates from stuff like pokemon pogs/tazos/whatever they're called in English, as well as cheetos tattoos, that were usually mass-produced cheaply and didn't last long.

So yeah, Riku finds them in bags of chips.

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>>69543801
What >>69544116 said, but a good time to add that Holo DID have management issues and they DID step it up
https://youtu.be/gwyrUpOa8uI?t=26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEtiwiNE1M4

That's on top of those 50 moderators that showed up in their financial report, which is why Kiara doesn't have to recruit her oldfags to do it anymore. Couple of them do still have their friends as mods, but that seems to be their preference.

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>>69544791
Oh yeah, we have that phrase, too, but it's "In a box of Cracker Jacks/cereal box?" instead, because most of the things that had little trinkets in them died out in the late 80s/early 90s, so the only things left doing it were cereal boxes and Cracker Jacks. The former has died out in recent decades as well, and Cracker Jacks are less commonly known these days, so this post probably ages me.

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>>69484228
selen and pomu were the only nijis I ever cared about

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How big is the disparity in the no. of events for Nijien vs Nijijp? Feels like the en branch exists just to funnel money back to jp branch. As long as they have a successful biz in jp, they will keep on releasing new waves.

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>>69549145
they pretty much dont do shit aside from some group events on the nijien channel once in a blue moon. meanwhile jp always have different kinds of things happening on nijji jp youtube and bilibili. EOPs may not be aware of this, but EN members who know japanese are featured on these events quite often. theyre not blocked from participating in jp events, its just about the ability of doing it. thats why a lot of en learn japanese, its way easier than expecting their management do to help them with anything

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>>69549145
There's almost weekly 3D comedy shows. Chronoir does something once a week. 3D debuts very frequently. Almost some big event or another every month, even if it's a month like this where it's just the vtuber koshien that koyo is also in with kaiji-ripoff-man.
At the very least, way better than "crab game again" (I actually dig the sentiment as their go-to too cause they have perms and it fits EVERYONE, but its like every month).

Don't get me wrong though, there are problems, Uiha graduated for not being able to do idolshit just like Pomu recently.
Let alone the fact that Chihiro sounds like she just got out of an abusive relationship when talking about it.

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>>69484228
>no employee status = no salary or insurance
>harassment over numbers by management
>no support for people who aren't in with the clique
>active harassment of anyone not in with the clique
>2% merch sales
>CEO busy squeezing every yen out of the company that he can
>japfags don't care about you if you're not one of them company culture

gee I wonder

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>>69486043
it's free real estate in your head

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>>69554522
Having 3d models changes a lot I guess. Also being based in Tokyo. I have no idea how those 3d variety show collabs happen if not in the same room.
I like the jp variety culture. I would have loved if the en 3d could have done something similar emulating western variety apart from just having concerts.

[Anonymous No.]

why does your pet keep dying and getting replaced?

[Anonymous No.]

lack of morals, they've been bankrupt from the start

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>>69545067
I see, never heard of the English version before good to know.
>spoiler
Don't worry anon, our phrase isn't used much nowadays either, my mum just used to say it a lot when I was younger and it stuck with me. Like you said, these kinds of trinket combos have largely died out, and so have the phrases. I'm 25 and I remember the tail-end of them, you can't be that much older

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>>69484228
>WE WANT TO COMPETE WITH GAWR GURA!
>WTF!? INTER-AGENCY COLLABS? PROJECTS? VIDEOS? SPONSORSHIPS? COLLABORATIONS WITH INDUSTRY GIANTS LIKE KONAMI!? FUCK THAT! DELAY! CANCEL! TERMINATE OUR HARDEST WORKER!
>WTF!? WHY AREN'T WE GROWING!?
In any industry a company that's run like dogshit develops a bad name within the industry and sheds workers like a cat sheds fur.
That little "how would you compete with gura" shit that came out yesterday is fucking hilarious considering the absolute hostility towards projects, collaborations, events, and sponsors that Nijisanji has shown.

They're like a fucking liquor-store that refuses to stock any liquor aside from their own homebrew.

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>>69524921
At least Sayu's still open to apologies

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>>69568571
>>69524921
Sayu may forgive them
BUT MY TOMMY GUN DONT!!!!

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>>69569601
I'll accept an apology for staying silent from those outside her wave, who may not have known her well, but the genuine backstabbers are on the shit list for good.

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>>69568571
lol

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>>69484228
Pre-Selen? Bad management.

Post-Selen? Management so bad it puts your career and life in danger, and bullying so bad it drives you to suicide.

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>>69524424
Yeah thats NijiJP. How is NijiEN doing? We all know Niji is the second largest in Japan, but its not the same on the EN side

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>>69577600
JP is actually below en in averages funnily enough

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>>69494041
i only ever knew a handful of talents and most are gone now.
Niji spamming vtubers is one of their worst habits

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>>69568571
kek

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>>69484228
business model is solely centered on making money for the people at the top with as little reinvestment as possible led by someone with little life experience.
it was only ever going to end this way.