The Heavenly King of the West

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She just keeps winning

[Anonymous No.]

>circle jerk award one of their own
>winning
kek, congrats ironlung.

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>>69441794
I genuinely wonder, if she even knows about nepotism from CDawg, or if she believes she truly earned those awards.

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>>69441427
It's like me holding an award for best football player and giving it to my friend bob.

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>>69441904
If she knows, why would she care?
An award is an award and any accolade she gets translates directly to views or subscribers.

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>>69441904
She can't be that dumb right? Right?

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>>69441427
What exactly do you want me to say, anon? Congrats on winning another pity award, I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
I genuinely know nothing about her or Vshojo, so whenever these things pop up, I always feel like someone's making them up.

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>>69441427
Any reason she still finds value in NijiEN? She's not letting Matara, Kuro, or Connor talk about it.

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>>69443265
tbf ive heard Bob has a mean cannon arm

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>>69444829
She is a latina, she understands drama and how that shit can spread.
She is doing her best to prevent them from saying dumb shit and fanning the flames, especially now that a lawfag is getting involved.

Mouse is dumb but she has a good sense of social dynamics.

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Mmm yes, keep those excuses flowing
Back to back btw

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>>69441904
>>69443427
Of course she knows.

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>>69443395
any press is good press, even nepo press ig

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>>69441794
>ironlung
KEK MOTHERFUCKING W

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>>69441904
>>69443427
She knows and promotes it

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>>69443427
Just because she puts on the cute uwu retarded persona doesn't mean she actually is. She knows what she's doing and is milking her situation and her viewers while she has the chance.

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Will any of these award show ever put her and Gura together in the same category? I want to see that conflict.

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Gura was doing a karaoke for 44k viewers at the same time this Ironmouse hack was winning "best vtuber"

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>>69441427
is this a twitch event?
if it is it doesn't really mean anything lol
but yea personally don't like her because anytime she opens her mouth and says some dumb shit
she whips out the worlds tiniest violin
and starts yappin about how sick and bed ridden she is to avoid critisism

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>>69445827
Probably and they would have her win. Also twitch #

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>>69441904
>nepotism from Cdawg
>Cdawg lost his category
why can't you all admit she's good at networking?

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>>69441904
Anon, come on.
Remember that those awards circles know very little about vtubers, that's why they used to vote for fucking Code Miko of all things before.
Ironmouse (and VShojo) saw an opportunity there and used their clique to get visibility and become THE vtuber representative for normalfags. It's like the animation category at the academy awards: voters don't know shit so they just vote for Disney no matter how garbage their movies can be.
It's not too much a problem for big youtubers since they live in a different ecosystem, but at that point she's becoming a roadblock for other big Twitch vtubers hoping for more mainstream visibility.

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>>69441794
Too far anon, too far.

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>>69445827
if she actually streams this year she'll mog the shit out of ironlung at the vtuber awards

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>>69446231
There was 1 (one) nominee from Vshojo.

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>>69445827
It's an award for streamers, Anon...

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>>69441427
Pathetic

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>>69446231
>Ironmouse won because she's the most popular
great observation

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>>69445894
It's a streaming event, as much as holobronies/nijisisters sneed and feed streaming on Twitch is way bigger than streaming on Youtube.

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>>69441427
wow another award for the cripple, how exiting

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>>69441427
this is like the special olympics compared to the big JP vtubers

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>>69445827
Gura would win without doing anything (already happened before). That would be like putting the Twitch flavor of the month against PewDiePie.

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>used a Vshojo graphic from 2021 showing all of the vtubers that aren't there anymore during the awards
>FaVoRiTiSm!!!

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>>69446353
not far enough

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>>69445141
Did Gunrun lose weight?

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>>69447150
Water weight loss, he will be a fatso the next day

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>>69445859
To 250k viewers

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how many fucking award shows are there? this is like the third one i heard of in the last half a year

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The streamer awards are only for twitch right?

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>>69446231
Don't know how you got his from what I wrote. Ironmouse won because she advertized herself, and she has two things she used to do that, that others Twitch vtubers can't compete with: her clique, and ironically enough, her disability. That's not popularity or talent.

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>>69447195
Flip DNA curse.

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>>69445141
Does she use any of her older models? This one is fucking disgusting

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>>69447201
Yes, and pretending that all of those views were real (lol) I imagine 90% of those were there for everything but vtubers

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>>69446665
>popular
dyrbi

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>>69447221
>The streamer awards are only for twitch right?
Nope, any platform

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>>69446712
i didn't compare the two?
all i said is that the event award didn't mean much
which it doesn't
anyway twitch is just turning into softcore chaturbait with women competing on who can be the biggest whore
I'm sure that's why it's popular with it's large 13+ audience
and they're hemorrhaging streamers
all in all i don't really care where you watch what

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>>69441904
That's categorically not nepotism anon. If you are going to accuse her of something use the actual name for it.

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>streamer awards
>mostly fleshbags
>"hey we should add a vtuber category "
>"do you know any vtubers?"
>"what about that cripple chick connor hangs our with?"
Even if gura won i wouldnt give a shit, keep the normies out

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>>69441427
who?

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>>69447221

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>>69447588
>200 hours
oh...

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>>69447588
>200 hours
no wonder the lazy the holo bitches cant get nominated

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>>69441427
Literally who?

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>>69444795
They're Twitch thots skinwalking as anime girls, that's really it.

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>>69444962
Is he a goalie?

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>>69447779
Did you have a stroke typing this?

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if you guys think nijisanji has bad cliques. you havent seen what these western cunts have done.

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>>69445827
Wasn't there one moment where they did and Gura won it?

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>>69447494
The nominations and awards are 100% done by popular votes.

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>>69448301
Did i studder?

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>Nearly every american streamer at the awards lives in Austin, TX or is best friends with many people from Austin
Somebody explain this.

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>>69441427
>western clique nepotism awards designed to market themselves and their friends
Why is this shit so prevalent in the west?

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She's the vtuber for normies and casuals. It's like playing FIFA or Madden.

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>>69441427
Why does she keep receiving awards and being showered with praise and, while she's hardly talked about in /vt/ outside of the Vshojo containment thread?

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>>69448481
they moved to Texas because no income tax
Austin, TX is basically little california
they moved away form california because it became a liberal hell hole
they also probably gonna vote for the same bullshit that made them leave that hell in the first place

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>>69448520
FIFA and Madden are actually massively popular on a quantitative level. Ironmouse is comparative to a low-mid tier holo.

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>>69448481
Nah you're retarded. This event was done by the LA twitch clique, not the austin twitch. Ludwig, QT, pokimane, austinshow, etc are all in the LA clique

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>>69441904
everyone knows networking is the only realistic way to grow on twitch

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>>69448660
>why does the holo board created as a /hlgg/ containment zone only talk about holos
you tell me

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>>69448711
>>or is best friends with many people from Austin
Read anon read.

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>>69448481
texas has very low taxes for streaming revenue

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>>69448701
>No income tax
>Taxes out the ass from everything else
>Cali migrants have to pay the "leaving california" tax
Streamers are retarded.

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>>69448709
>Top 4 most watched Vtuber twice in a row 2022 and 2023
>With Kuzuha, Pekora, Koyori and Miko
>Comparative to a low-mid tier holo
Give her her laurels even if you don't like her.

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>shitty EN vtuber that is dating Connor
>a man who is part of the twitch big names circle jerk
>wins award at said circlejerk show

She's not the best Vtuber in her own company, let alone all of EN.

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>>69449496
You know you can brute force that metric by just streaming a lot right? Nobody in their right mind is calling Koyori one of the heavenly kings of vtubing.

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>>69441427
The power of a clique

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>>69447640
>>69447779

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>>69441427
step aside.

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>>69445894
>uses disease to invalidate criticism
surely you can show one instance of her doing that since she does it so much right? right anon?

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>>69450178
>Leeching viewers from Soda
No.

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>>69448660

because its all fake shit for pointless self promotion with no meat on the bone. if you are not talked about here you are irrelevant to the business. no one watches vshitshow save for a handful of 62 iq troglodytes who enjoy reaction and sleeping streams.
also if anyone here still believes shes sick, you are even dumber than ironlungs subscribers. if she was as sick as she says she would have died years ago.

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>>69441427
>heavenly king
that's literally a satan vtuber

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>>69447201
if even a fraction of them were real, they'd be rolling their eyes at the vtuber category. i'm betting 2-3k max were there for ironlung

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>>69450431
NTA (i think he's projecting) but her fans do use her disease as a defence if she does anything problematic

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>>69450869
Which brings us back to how she does networking. There were a lot of people cheering for her in chat, many of which probably not regular viewers of hers

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>>69446231
>THE vtuber representative for normalfags
twitch trannies arent even normalfags kek, they spent too much time on that shit site to be considered normal

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>>69450762
>if you are not talked about here you are irrelevant to the business.
The irony of you to say this when you are literally posting in a thread about her.
Man, vshojo antis are so dumb it's hilarious.

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>>69450178
>light mode

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>>69451003
>if she does anything problematic
such as?

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>>69448346
>studder
GMS

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>>69451484
she's so fucking cute I can't stop looking at this gif
also stream soon!

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>>69441904
And yet Cdawg lost while she won. Cdawg also has nothing to do with Geoff Keighley.

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It's so funny watching all the holovictoms be angry about there irrelevance.

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>>69452662
Remember, if you don't like a platform, all their numbers are fake. If you don't like a person, all of their achievements are rigged, fake, or don't matter. Like is just convenient like that

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>>69450762
While /vt/ is possibly the biggest (or one of the biggest) English places to talk about vtubing I'd say using it as a metric is a bit warped since half the board is ESL SEAs who don't watch Vshojo. It'd be like saying Madden isn't popular beacuse it's not talked about on /v/. Ironlung is popular with the casual normalfag crowd who doesn't really know vtubing beyond whatever Vslopjo shit is thrown at them on the Twitch main page.

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>>69447201
I bet they were all there to cheer her on

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>>69453665
I actually watched almost exclusively Hololive until about the end of 2022 and from my experience it's more so the Hololive fans who are stuck in their bubble and do not know vtubing beyond the blue dorito.

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>>69441427
Meanwhile the most obnoxious vtuber fanbase award isn't quite so clear. We have strong contenders from both Vshojo and Phase Connect!

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>>69453922
Holosweep!

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>>69453922
Oh Hololive wins that one by far not even the Nijisisters come close.

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>>69448036
Yes. Cover would then go on to brag about it even though it was so poorly handled it was the reason Filian made her own show where Mouse won again

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>>69454292
They treated it the same as one of the throwaway awards and didn't even show a clip of Gura it was just a few seconds from an MV. She was on screen for about 8 seconds total and not a single word was spoken in that time before they moved on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-LXDo6vCWo

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what exactly did mouse even accomplish to be considered da best chuuba ever?

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>>69441794
Fpbp

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>>69454896
nothing

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>>69454896
Well first of all she actually streamed.

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>>69454896
She's a goddess.

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>>69454896
She streamed and a lot of people liked it, what should she have done?

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>>69454896
Make her viewers happy. Sounds familiar?

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her daughter must be proud

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>>69448481
Low income tax haven but so long as you don't own shit (property tax hell) it's worth it if you're making serious bank and don't have to commute or leave your house to do stuff. Basically a good place if you're a streamer.

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>>69448660
mouse fans don't talk about her outside of /vsj+/ because there's no point. all you fucks post on any thread about her is
twitch bots so number isn't real
she's not sick
doxx
ad infinitum. the last one specifically is why none of us bother, if your only comeback to someone's popularity is to doxx then why would an anon choose to interact with you when they can discuss their streamer with others who don't want to just whine

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Imagine putting on all this pageantry and spending all this money to cope with losing to Peko and Koyo. The ego of the western woman is so fragile.

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>>69450710
>Leeching viewers from Connor
No.

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>The streamer awards
Am I being trolled? Is this a actual fucking thing?

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>>69456311
For three years now

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>>69456311
It's an event run by an LA Twitch clique that was pretty much made to circlejerk their friends who were pissed about not winning awards at other events. It really shows when the event organizers literally hand each other awards for best streamer every time and nobody seems to question the legitimacy of it.

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>>69456568
Nominees are community-voted and from my recollection QTCinderella, the event organizer, has never been nominated let alone won

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>>69454896
Be part of a company founded by the the CEO of streaming.

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>>69456311
Now that's a reaction pic I haven't seen in forever

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>>69456099
you are too weak for this place

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>>69456649
>community-voted
literally worthless

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>>69441427
>twitch audience votes for twitch streamers in the twitch awards
grats lol

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think I'd be able to live with myself if I only got pity awards all my life. How does her daughter feel about this

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>>69457137
Not really, we're just really tired of you fags doxxing mouse to a deleted post and a warning while knowing that if we spare a few choice words about the storied pasts of our favorite holos the person posting eat a week or more and also your pet janny will harass our thread and maybe also /lig/ for a few weeks.

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>>69457571
>doxxing
That's not doxing, we don't know her name or where she lives.

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>>69457212
OK smart guy, what form of nomination WOULD be worthwhile? I mean if the whole thing is run by this amorphous Twitch clique, then surely THEY can't be the acceptable source of nominations, yeah? So who else?

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>>69457786
do you want to start listing RL information about a vtuber of your choice that is neither her name or where she lives and see whether you eat a ban before the guy who posted three posts above this?

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>>69457571
is it doxxing if it's all shit she talked about and done on stream

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>>69441427
>wins content creator of the year at massive multistream game awards event that has 118 Million viewers with with a bunch of game developers and celebs from all over the world that don't know shit about vtubers, but she was the only one nominated because she's the only one anyone knows because no one knows what the fuck hololive is outside of the vtubing space
>filian from mythic puts together a vtuber awards show with the help of a bunch sponsors and some fishman backing and mouse still takes home 2 awards including best vtuber, beating out pekora despite the massive presence of hololive fans voting and them taking many other awards that night, such as fuwomoco and kiara winning
>keeps winning a bunch of other awards at streamer awards across 2 years now that no one had any other chance of winning because she's fucking unstoppable at these events
She's the fucking Kizuna Ai of the west. She's your oshi's oshi, and she's just getting bigger and bigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69457938
You are very fragile, I don't care about any of that. I'm just telling you the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69458229

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>>69458264
>>69457968
jannies consider That info a doxx, so for discussion purposes right now it's a doxx. because of the rarity of her illness and her country of origin any additional information about her makes it way easier for a stalker to narrow her identity down but you're welcome to argue with them about the semantics I guess
but saying "oh but that's not technically a doxx" doesn't negate what I said, if posting personal information is what someone would get as a reply to talking about their oshi why the fuck would they ever want to leave their own thread? what's the point? vshojo and indie fans stay in their own lanes because corpo fans' only interest in them is making bait threads like this to dole out the same shitty comments based on their own assumptions

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>>69444829
Connor already talked about it. He said as much as he could without getting sued for defamation laws in Japan. TLDR he thinks Niji is shit but had to choose his words very wisely and told everyone that in the beginning because of Japanese laws.

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>>69453665
/vt/ isn't even close to the biggest. Fucking youtube comment sections are bigger than this.
The biggest is twitter.

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>>69454896
Actually stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69459458
Newfag

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>>69459014
he is a coward

[Anonymous No.]

>>69458988
vshojo is a corpo,fag.The only reason you guys stay on a single thread is because your oshis aren't really popular.

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>>69453665
VShojo and their fanbase are heavily integrated into the broader EN scene, much more than anyone in Holo or Niji and that includes their fanbases.

Anyone in /vsj+/ could rattle off names from Holo, Niji and indies. Probably at minimum 10 of each off the top of their heads, if not more. Can you do the same?
Hell, I'm sure most corpofags around here can't even name everyone in VShojo, let alone any indies aside from Lily and Filian.

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>>69460321
what is your point?

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>>69458988
nta. If you are refering to the posts by Mouse herself on her vtuber account, that is content, not dox, someone is being bias.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
not mine, i didnt vote for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>69460321
>Demanding that we know irrelevants.

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>>69460652
if you wanted to talk about only the most popular streamers i would recommend facebook groups. 4chan is a place for niche hobbyists to discuss minutiae that would not interest normies.

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>>69460492
My point is that
>the casual normalfag crowd who doesn't really know vtubing beyond whatever Vslopjo shit is thrown at them on the Twitch main page
Is untrue

>>69460652
>literally the entire industry outside of my blue dorito bubble is irrelevant
Kind of proving my point

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>>69460288
vshojo doesn't have any of the corpo rules that people who dislike corpos take issue with. talent keeps IP, no perms or restrictions, no sub/chat cut. I respect cover because from what I can tell they do take care of their talents but I still personally take issue with the power imbalance inherent in their system. you're welcome to go into /vsj+/ thread and ask about their opinions of vshojo and what they don't like about corps, if you're sincere with your question you'll get genuine responses
>>69460545
my bias is that I don't feel it's right to reshare information stated by a streamer five years ago to a viewerbase of maybe a hundred people when that streamer now has literally millions of eyes on them. if it was something innocuous and not identifying I'd agree but as I said before, combined with her mainstream public information it makes it easier to find her irl identity

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>>69461222
>vshojo doesn't have any of the corpo rules that people who dislike corpos
No matter how redditors feel, it's literally a corporation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461400
By the textbook definition of "corporation" yes but in the colloquial sense as we understand it in the context of the vtubing industry, no they're not

[Anonymous No.]

>>69460941
>blue dorito
normalfag don't know anything about vtuber and we don't care about their opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461536
>worship the most popular company
>hates normalfags
I got bad news anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>69460756
Ironic that you say that when we are talking about the most popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>69458358
DA NUMBERS DON'T LIEEEE, AND DEY SPELL DISASTER FOR YOU, AT SAKERFICE.
The west simply do not give a fuck about the Holo girls. Pic related.

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>>69461400
what >>69461504 said
we're using "corpo" not "corporation" because we're talking about what corporations are in the context of vtubing, not the dictionary definition of them. if you have a term for corpos that would be a good contrast against vshojo's term "talent agency" then you're welcome to share it, if it's good I would start using it to avoid this conversation again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461600
Do you realize that your rat is the normalfag's choice?cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461947
>number monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>69459907
Are you retarded? Bro, 4chan across the site is a minority. It's niche. It does not reflect "most" people. It's like going to /v/ and thinking anything you see about games there is how most people actually feel about video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461947
don't /#/ at them, it's cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461948
>>69461504
You guys are morons, it doesn't matter what your reddit memes say. I'm right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69461996
The normalfag's choice is the one that's most popular, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462194
when your only response is "I'm right you guys are just redditors" without any reasoning, you've lost. I accept the concession though

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462194
Technically right
Which means nobody cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
>>69458229
>the unity nigger that forces herself onto everyone and everything is widely known so all the normal filth votes for her simply because they recognized her
WOW!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462123
times change, grandpa.
All those places that you mentioned worship us like gods or fear us as if we were demons.
This place is the only place that you have to care about.

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>>69460321
That's because holochads don't need to look at any other corpo vtuber since they already have a lot of content to choose.
The only time i've ever clicked on a vshojo clips is because I wanted to check out the video they are "reacting" to.
Its pretty disappointing desu. They could do a lot of different kind of content since they don't have to abide to jp autistic rules, yet they only use it to browse youtube and twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462358
You literally had to admit that he was right and change your argument completely so as not to look like a complete idiot.
vshojo is a corporation, a talent agency is also a corporation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462386
I accept the concession

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462313
Yes and according to this thread it is your rat, did you read the OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462864
The OP doesn't say anything about her being the most popular. Did YOU read it?

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>>69462672
I was never arguing that vshojo isn't technically a corporation because obviously by dictionary it is, vshojo doesn't follow the "corpo" standards in the context of vtubing. as I said earlier if someone has a better shorthand to separate "corporation that follows the general corpo rules of IP/perms/etc" and "corporation that doesn't do those" then I'm open to hearing and using it because this conversation is stupid and derailing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69449788
They should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69458229
>She's the fucking Kizuna Ai of the west
Kizuna Ai was a pioneer with enough charisma to create a whole industry, she will always be the Queen of Vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462629
Also, the moron tells you that the most popular indies don't count. I honestly don't understand what the point was that he was arguing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
>vshojo defence force (or vshojo white knight squad, call it what you like) trying their hardest to protect the queen's honor

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462629
>They could do a lot of different kind of content [...] yet they only use it to browse youtube and twitter
>The only time i've ever clicked on a vshojo clips is because I wanted to check out the video they are "reacting" to.
Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy my guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462920
Do you know what it means to be the king in something other than politics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463252
A king isn't decided by popularity

[Anonymous No.]

>>69462938
>I was never arguing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463107
It's not that they "don't count," it's that they're the only indies that get any attention on the catalog so it's reasonable to assume most Holo or Niji fans would know them.
But not many, if any, others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463067
Based,not even holofans deny that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463365
That's literally what OP is saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463595
And where does it say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463507
And?What is your point? It is obvious that unpopular indies are not famous and well-known.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463730
If you step outside your bubble you'll find quite a lot of popular and well-known indies.
That's the point. You don't even know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463712
He says your rat is the queen for winning a popularity contest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463251
Doesn't change the fact that they aren't doing any real good content with their creative freedom.
With vtubers from holo or niji they have to come up with content that doesn't break any corpo/jp rules. Its also why a lot of them take breaks from burnouts while indie vtubers can just start stream and browse tiktok or youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463815
but you said the most popular indies don't count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69464013
I didn't, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69464158
Yes, you did it.
I don't understand your point, honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69464265
I've literally already explained everything I mean.
I'm not going to talk in circles with you just because you have nothing left to say.
Either learn to read or find something meaningful to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441794
kek, /thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>69464370
Ok, it doesn't matter what you say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69463950
Why didn't you answer me?Did you run out of arguments, coward?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69447255
She'll have a new 3D one out by the end of the month, another 2D in a month or 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>69467963
It doesn't really change anything

[Anonymous No.]

Other streamers say CDawg doesn't shower and smells bad, how does he keep fucking your oshi anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>enter thread
>holoseeth
>holocope
If you really don't care, don't cry about it.
If you do care, try to convince your peers to nominate and vote, you'd win easily-

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
not for long

[Anonymous No.]

>>69460321
/vsj+/ has less ips than a lot of small corpos, you're a blip in the overall fanbase. The majority of vshojo fans are twitch retards that watch Conor and Ironmouse and a bunch of other popular twitch fleshtubers. You can criticize holofags for being in a bubble but most of them can recognize upwards of 50 diff holomems (if not all of them), you knowing a few Mousey collabers isn't much different, your bubble is just less official. Actual indie scene is a lot more than just Mousey hangers on and liggers btw.

[Anonymous No.]

would Filian win if she faked an illness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69472791
>You can criticize holofags for being in a bubble but most of them can recognize upwards of 50 diff holomems
>Holofags aren't in a bubble, they can name everyone in their bubble!!

>you knowing a few Mousey collabers isn't much different
Off the top of my head I can name every Holo (except ReGloss), all of NijiEN, several NijiJP, a handful of Phase, some Production Kawaii, AstraLine, 3AM, and tens of indies.
Again, off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69472791
/vsj+/ usually has 60-100 IPs by the time it hits archives and it's one of the faster threads on the board. The only small corpo that's faster or has more IPs is Phase Connect, and I don't think anyone ever disputed they had a more /here/ fanbase than Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69470649
The rat is not my oshi, but he literally doesn't. It's pure larp

[Anonymous No.]

>>69441427
jokes on her, i never watched her, not a single clip
She might be funny as hell, she might be cute as hell, she might be a giant whore - i will never know.
My wife is Marine and i cheat on her with Miko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69475057
Holofags trying to call anyone else out for being in a bubble is the funniest shit of all time. /vsj+/ literally has the + in its thread name because watching people outside of VShojo is the norm. No perms required to collab with indies means there's a whole cinematic universe that the average VShojofag knows.

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>>69441427
The funny thing is that every time this bitch wins thanks to the bots you come out of your hole to cause a fight, only to be btfo every time.