actually decent rrat

[Anonymous No.]

Certainly not as fun as 'Elira is a villainous puppet master that drove Selen to suicide', but it looks much more realistic.
TLDR: Legal and PR teams in niji are fucking retarded and completely misunderstood the intention behind the doc that Selen's lawyer sent

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>>69400911

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>>69400911
i am not reading all of that

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401107
I watch vtubers I don't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
go back ledditurd

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
That is great, hope the nijiEN branch die.
Riku might even have to sell his yacht.

[Anonymous No.]

"5 pages full of text"

you are on 4chan, sir.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>become a NEET because I'm too retarted to read
>get into vtubers because i can just brain off and watch cute girls
>rrats happen; I'm expected to read walls of text about made up bullshit
Why live?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
These are the kind of people who wrote that btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>37 hours
in a row??

[Riku T. - BILLIONARE No.]

>>69400911
>"please PLEASE notice my rrat, senpai. this time powered by chatGPT!"
naah
>"PLEASE!!!"
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401257
FalseEyed is doing news reports for people who can't read. literally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401532
I don't know who or what that is and I refuse to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
This isn't a rrat, this is just vtuber realpolitik analysis. "Shit company with shit pay has shit employees and they fucked up" doesn't really sell headlines. "Vtuber illuminati" is a little catchier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>looks much more realistic
What do you think is more common in the world, utterly incompetent PR/Legal teams in large companies or diamond dozen mean girl bitches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
This is just the commsfag guy. Everyone already knows this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
this shitty cope doesnt explain:
Elira getting vastly more merch than anyone else
The emotional seething lists of crimes to slander terminated members
Scheduling the stream to slander her at the same time as her return stream
and probably dozens of other things

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
So Niji have another mastermind above lira? A whole family?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>doxxfags trying to defeat the GURRAT
Not happening sisters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
Motherfucker I read for fun and even I'm not reading all that.
Not formatted like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>be NIJISISTERS
>still hasn't realized that the hate their favourite cocksuckers are having were culmination of all the fuck ups NIJISANJI did, and they can only blame themselves for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401816
It's possible for both of the following to be true:
>NijiEN management was so ineffective that many managerial-type tasks ultimately fell on the shoulders of some talents
>those talents showed favoritism towards themselves when afforded these responsibilitys
and
>Nijisanji/Anycolor's baffling responses to this situation were those of a company with professional PR reps who believed they were operating in crisis mode trying to get ahead of a damning document going public and "punch first"
>and not because some EN chuubas would get to determine a professional PR response based on spite or whatever the GURRAT is trying to say at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
Nice try Elira.
But you won't be able to hide your crime this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401749
>diamond dozen
anon please...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402234
it's a doggy dog world out there, anon

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>>69402128
you're tying yourself into knots, it's fun to watch the cope

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>>69400911

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>>69402290
thank can't be true...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402234
newfagchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401743
yeah I was waiting to see something like this before wasting my time on this rrrat, I'll check to see and skim if it's even worth or funny to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401303
what the fuck is wrong with sisters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
this is the super retarded long comms rrat from the Nijisanji subreddit. Jesus fucking christ, anon. I'm not reading this bullshit, it's not entertaining and way too long

[Anonymous No.]

bro thats too fucking long i aint reading that shit i dont even care if its pro or anti niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401816
>>69400911
Font forget them actively blocking Hyte from sponsoring Selen, them cutting ties as soon as they found out, shitting on niji and instantly sponsoring Doki
I'm sure it was because of a simple mistranslation right?

[Anonymous No.]

summarize it in 11 words or less

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401816
>Merch
No idea, I'm not even sure that merch brings that much money in niji
>list of crimes
They thought that Selen will make the doc she sent to niji public and so they tried to get ahead of the slander game
>stream
Well, that wasn't her return stream, it was her first gaming stream. Might be malicious, might be a coincidence, we don't know
I would say that if niji continues to attack Selen like that one other rrat said, then this is wrong. But if they actually shut the fuck up and try to bury the whole situation, I would believe that it actually happened like it was described.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402580
KEK

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>>69400911
OP is a faggot and got some bastardized version from the Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1arxuo0/i_work_in_comms_for_a_living_and_can_only_think/?rdt=63848

What the fuck is wrong with you Normies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401816
>Management conveniently forgets that Selen is Canadian, so she wasn't invited to Canadian event. Elira, Millie, Enna, and Rosemi invited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402385
Anybody who has worked in any corporate setting at any point and has even a modicum of understanding of PR or communications would clearly see that this was a fuckup of applying an aggressive crisis management playbook to something that wasn't a crisis.

To honestly believe that a company the size of Anycolor, in a situation like this, would let North American vtubers wing a response from the hip because one girl is really really mad, is such an insane misreading of this that I don't even know where to start.

It's still a massive fuckup, but one that has a logical reason for WHY they would have made the decisions they did. More importantly, it doesn't invalidate or undermine the questions of mismanagement/preferential treatment/talents-as-pseudo-management that people have suggested beyond this specific PR nightmare.

[Anonymous No.]

sister, not reading that.
you are mentally ill

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>>69402128
you do realize the GURRAT is talking about the former of your rrat? You really didn't read the fucking GURRAT and are like 39daph who just fucking read the talking points from others. God, you all are really retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402703
>unironically going to reddit
>calling others normies
based retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401743
Yeah. The reality is going to be mundane and disappointing (shock of shocks, anycolor is just a poorly managed company). I never noticed the subtlety of the legal language used in the official twitter post made after the 15 minutes hate. Overall, it's a good analysis how a breakdown in communication and failure to adapt to the changing public opinion landscape can ruin everything.

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>>69402854
I'm just a flexible retard :)

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>>69402689
but they made the same lists of crimes for Zaion, why was some rando manager so full of anger and hate? and multiple times?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402720
They mistranslated the canadian, that must be it

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>>69400911

very small writing is a sign of schizophrenia OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
Nothing about this disproves the GURrat, in fact, it only supports it more.
>Elira and her clique of pseudomanagement are the ones handling the communication/translations, so they would be the ones to get the document that spooked them
>since they are retards and obviously not PR or law professionals, they misunderstand, panic and jump the gun
>they tell niji that they HAVE TO FIRE Selen right fucking now and the JP side that has depended on their translations so far believes them
>they write the termination notice and throw the book at her, firing her in under two hours
The timeline is way too fucking tight for anything else, there simply is no time for someone to first read the document (and forward it to the livers with enough time to "thoroughly review it"), translate the document into Japanese, send it to JP management and then get the immediate response to fire her right away. The only thing that makes sense is that EN side is working de facto independently and the people running the show there are retards and amateurs who don't have a clue about what they are doing.

I believe the rrat in OP about them misunderstanding and panicking, I also believe that the ones doing this mistake were Elira and her clique, who were acting as "management" on the EN side and thus had way more power than they should.

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>>69402946
It's entirely possible management keeps a shit list to hang over their organs' heads, hence how they can compell them to do shit. ("We can terminate and ruin you at any time just like this person.")

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402748
>they let the same or multiple managers write multiple similar seething raging slanderous termination posts with made up lists of crimes

retard

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>>69402805
That's exactly why I said that it's possible for those elements to be true without then extrapolating that to believe that the response and strategy Anycolor made has anything to do with the feelings or responsibilities of Elira, or any other chuuba or base-level EN manager for that matter.

The legal and PR departments would've been brought in well before even a single public statement came out. It's pretty clear that for whatever reason Anycolor believed (or convinced themselves) that Selen speaking publicly and the document she sent them were one in the same, and so within hours of getting that document and seeing how scathing it is their PR response is to treat this like a crisis to be dropped on them at any moment, and to get in front of it first to get the first say and steer public opinion before the document is released. Again, a terrible misread, but one that a company with professional PR would actually make.

Same goes for why they would show Elira/Vox/Ike the document (or summaries/portions of it); because their PR team in crisis mode would also be coaching them on how to respond to and deflect the accusations that are surely going to be dropped on them at any moment.

This is a colossal fuckup and I'm sure everybody responsible in Anycolor's comms department is getting the axe, but it's one that still has logic to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402580
Same energy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403103
We don't want to read your entire manifesto about why you hate women, femcel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403317
fucking read nigga READ

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>a sister's fanfic

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402689
>No idea, I'm not even sure that merch brings that much money in niji
Still doesnt explain why Elira had so much more or why people were denied merch they wanted and the sponsor wanted too
You cannot get around the Hyte thing so you might as well just cry

[Anonymous No.]

There's an obvious rrat hiding in this that the comms guy either didn't realize or didn't want to stir up - Doki's lawyer was the one who suggested they send the private document to Niji. Doki's lawyer would have been the one in charge of communicating the purpose of that document to Anycolor legal. Doki's lawyer could have very easily made it sound like the document was the statement to be released.
In other words, Doki's lawyer fucking baited Anycolor into one of the biggest PR fuckups of the decade and ensured his client would win not just legally but in the court of public opinion by doing effectively nothing. I fucking kneel.

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>>69403271
I'm sorry anon, do you seriously believe that an ex-NijiIN talent or Elira or the minimum wage manager with a high school level English education are the people writing full-length Japanese and English dual termination communications? And not the multimillion dollar company's legal and communications departments?

I seriously wonder how young or stupid some of you are sometimes.

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>>69400911
why the fuck did the sisters think anyone is going to read this? are their fujosites about yaoiholes and shit all that horribly formatted because they will lap up the slop either way??

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403644
You sisters make yourselves obvious by your appeals to authority which dont really hold up when a company is this cheap and shitty and has fucked up this badly

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403644
If that's the case then this whole thing is even more embarrassing than I thought

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403758
Do you not understand that this IS Anycolor colossally fucking up, just in a way that actually makes sense for a company to do? They're still fucking morons, but for very different reasons than you seem to think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69402748
>To honestly believe that a company the size of Anycolor.
This would make a good point when talking about most big companies, but Anycolor didn't have enough staff working for NijisanjiEN from almost the get-go, since a big part of the original management meant for EN left to start selling NFTs before any of their vtubers even debuted, which makes more believable that members who could communicate with the japanese side would get more control inside the branch and so, lending more credibility to the GURRAT.

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>>69403317
My hugest issue with the comms rrat is that it extrapolates based on a very limited sample size. The Gurrat is trying to account for an entire year+ worth of yabs. For the Comms Ratt, I remember it only limiting its focus to just a few instances.

I do believe the basics of poor PR and legal departments fucking each other up, that's a possible reality. However, factoring in hours upon hours of retarded worthless mistakes / dramas from Nijisanji, I'm inclined to believe there's more and I need to take my meds.

While I do agree with your main thesis, that yes it's plausible for both. I'm more inclined to believe the Gurrat because it explains so much more motivations and tries to make sense the fucking retarded business decision-making that NijiEN has done due to previous knowledge. Honestly, I do acknowledge the mental illness does taint some perspectives and memories of the yabs because /vt/ - however, this all felt way too personal. It's not a normal corporate fuck-up, this was malicious.

[Anonymous No.]

I can believe this rrat because Riku is so stingy he wants to spend $7 an hour for managers, so probably he spent $5 an hour for their paralegals and $0 for PR.
That still doesn't explain the struggle session blackbox stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403992
The comms rrat can be rolled into the Gurrat so I dont see a problem here.

They are mutually exclusive, honestly comms rrat is just another layers on the Gurrat.

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>>69402946
They didn't make the list for Yugo though. I don't exactly remember but I think Zaion also wanted to sue/make public fuss about it? So it might be same response to similar problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
who wrote this essay? I refuse to believe some rando took the time to make this shit for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404065
>They are mutually exclusive
You mean aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403896
and you're still coping trying to blame some nameless faceless people rather than the fucking named harassers you slimy cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401107
>Doesn't include the sound.
Fail

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>>69403513
NTA but I don't doubt there's favouritism. What with both Hyte and Sanrio, and Selen not being party to either of them. Less Pomu could have also been because she was on the way out, though. As for Hyte's severing of the deal, they're run by humans, too, and clearly did not agree with anycolor's treatment. That doesn't negate the idea that the frantic termination notice was a result of miscommunication.

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>>69404065
I agree, they deserve to be mixed in (and yeah not mutually exclusive you mean) because it adds a layer of understanding why communications happened. Regardless, it's all fucked up because we either get a powertripping asshole clique or the most evil piece of shit imaginable. I don't know, it's all bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404148
yeah I meant Aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404075
they did make the list but then didnt post it because she lawyered up

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>>69404127
Some redditor desperately grasping at straws so that he won't have to admit those evil 4chan chuds make sense.

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>>69404019
When you understand it as an extension of the same assumption/misreading/mistranslation of
>The document that Selen sent us is the exact same as what she's told us she would go public with
it actually makes more sense. Again, Anycolor management/comms at this point would believe, or assume, that Selen dropping this document is imminent any moment now. You coach your talents on how to respond to the specific accusations that they will be named in, prep them for how to deflect and shift the blame back over to Selen, and try to control what you think is a crisis narrative.

And then when it turns out Selen had no intent to ever actually release that document and it was just for the lawyers and to negotiate her graduation, it turns out you just threw multiple ugly punches at a pacifist and told on yourself.

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>>69401816
>Elira getting vastly more merch than anyone else
Because she's management's favorite, that's it. She's the only Lazulight that is fluent in Japanese and so is able to negotiate on her own behalf. She also didn't get as much as Luxiem or Enna. It's only a large amount of merch relative to the girls who are unpopular in Asia(everyone except Enna). Japanese company gonna be biased to the Japanese market.

>The emotional seething lists of crimes to slander terminated members
Because Nijisanji is a black company and their response to any perceived threat is going scorched-earth and sending out character assassinations.

>Scheduling the stream to slander her at the same time as her return stream
Realistically that stream time is just EN prime time. It's also the same timeslot Gura always streams the rare times she does stream. I don't really consider it malicious overlap unless they go out of their way to pick a niche timeslot like when Gura changed her stream time just to overlap Bijou. They probably just picked that time because it was most likely to have the most people watching. Somehow without any of the self-awareness to know their message was horrendously tone-deaf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
>Were other talent/management mocking, cruel or abusive in their communication, or were their words just interpreted as such by Selen?
There wasn't need to downplay Selen's concerns about her work environment like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404166
and by what mechanic do you think such favouritism comes about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404127
>some rando took the time to make this shit for fun.
That's literally what the GURrat is, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404278
>And then when it turns out Selen had no intent to ever actually release that document and it was just for the lawyers and to negotiate her graduation, it turns out you just threw multiple ugly punches at a pacifist and told on yourself.
Okay this just sounds fucking funny and way too real. I like you, anon. Definitely should tie this in with the document rrrat as part of the gurrat because that anon was smart to highlight the importance of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404280
Considering Pomu constantly outsells Elira's merch, and Nijisanji makes it clear that numbers are everything, there shouldn't be such a eyebrow raising difference in merch in Elira's favor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404317
Via human interaction? Have you ever worked a job in your life?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403513
I dunno why, she most likely was closer to management than other girls and she was liked by people, so it was easy to use her in promotions. But there's a giant logical leap between 'Elira was on good terms with management' and 'Elira is the management'

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
ChatGPT, give me a summary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404321
yeah the retards didn't understand, we wanted to make the most funniest collective autism rrrat possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404280
>Lazulight that is fluent in Japanese and so is able to negotiate on her own behalf.
and yet Pomu gets 2 when she gets 9

>more "IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE"
explaining everything as mistakes and coincidences is more insane than saying someone was making it happen but keep coping and seething

[Anonymous No.]

If you havent read this 2 days ago when it was first posted, then you are a fucking nigger who deserves no opinion. Keep up with the information or else kill yourself.
That being said, the gurrat explains more rrats in general while this one is contained to the selen termination itself. It doesn't really expand beyond that.

[Anonymous No.]

Updated timeline of events reconstruction, according to the GURRAT:
>NijisanjiEN was founded in 2020 with its own dedicated management team. Said team left the company to start a NFT venture in December of that year. Ex-NijiIN member Noor is then put in charge to fill their place.
>>/vt/thread/68273408#p68280109
>The first set of auditions resulted in 6 members being contracted, with only 3 debuting at first under Lazulight, one of those members was Elira, whose knowledge of the japanese language seemingly gained her the favoritism from the higher-ups early on, as indicated by the company letting her choose the theme for her second outfit while Pomu hadn’t such a benefit.
>>/vt/thread/69142853#p69147004
>Said favoritism also translated into Elira getting more merch released than any other member of Lazulight.
>>/vt/thread/68996770#p69009739
>The second set of auditions was for the third and fourth waves. The third wave is Ethyria, which contains two of Elira’s PL friends, Enna and Millie, indicating that they may have been hired through nepotism, a testament to the influence of Elira inside the branch.
>As the branch grew in members, Elira would need some sort of assistance to forward communications between it and the japanese side, and so Enna and Millie, became involved in the process to monitor and report her about the happenings inside the branch.
>>/vt/thread/69014403#p69023271
>>/vt/thread/69228845#p69246437
>Jumping straight to 2023, Noor is replaced with Yasuhiro Harry Igarashi as head of management for NijisanjiEN, somebody who treats this position as a part-time job, meaning that he is less involved with the branch than Noor, which left a power vacuum that Elira and her friends could monopolize for themselves.
>>/vt/thread/68033404#p68043182
>May 23rd of 2023, Selen misses the deadline for the recording of a voice pack and mentions wanting a representative so it wouldn’t happen again. Getting a representative would incite other members to do the same, making Elira’s role as a translator between the EN branch and Anycolor pointless. And so, Elira possibly proceeded to convince management proper (she’s ‘‘shadow management’’, a liaison, after all) to suspend Selen and have her given the warning that one more infraction would mean that she’s out of the company.
See attached image
>In the months that followed, Elira appears to have done an internal smear campaign against Selen, trying to convince most of the members of the branch to get rid of her. And as such, would attempt to isolate Selen from the rest of the company as much as she could.
>This isn’t the first time they harassed a member to make them leave the company as proved by this screenshot: >>/vt/thread/68412484#p68438814
>December 2023, the shitfest involving Selen’s MV occurs. Selen attemps suicide after continuous harassment from other members and Elira has to assume responsibility, so in the 27th she announced to the public she would have to to take care of affairs involving health issues in her family, as a way to cover what really had transpired behind closed doors.
>>/vt/thread/69120347#p69129835
>>/vt/thread/69036707#p69039165
>February 13th, 2023, Elira releases the now infamous ‘‘A Message From NIJISANJI EN’’ video. She mentions having read the legal documents about Selen/Doki’s case, which were meant only to be seen by Dokibird, her lawyers, and Anycolor’s management. The only way she could have gotten ahold of them it’s if she was involved with management herself. With her being the primary translator between members of the EN branch and the japanese higher-ups, it isn’t unexpected that the japanese would rely on her to translate the contents of the documents.
>>/vt/thread/68996770#p68999584
Take into account that each member have their side of their story and so, as they may come forward with their versions, there could arise contradictory or previously unknown details. For example, Pomu was possibly in friendly terms with Elira until the end of her tenure at NijisanjiEN, with her discontent seemingly stemming from conflicts with proper management: >>/vt/thread/68033404#p68035166

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404400
>>69404419
so managers never interacted with or didnt like Pomu, that's what you're going with?
Very sane yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>69401816
>Elira getting vastly more merch than anyone else
tbf I don't get why she was selected for Sakura Bloom in both 2022 and 2023. Don't see the point in releasing the same seasonal merch for the same liver two years in a row.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404278
>it actually makes more sense. Again, Anycolor management/comms at this point would believe, or assume, that Selen dropping this document is imminent any moment now. You coach your talents on how to respond to the specific accusations that they will be named in, prep them for how to deflect and shift the blame back over to Selen, and try to control what you think is a crisis narrative.
>
>And then when it turns out Selen had no intent to ever actually release that document and it was just for the lawyers and to negotiate her graduation, it turns out you just threw multiple ugly punches at a pacifist and told on yourself.
Can we get an art image of this? This is an objective reality and so fucked up, that I need a visual

[Anonymous No.]

>>69403753
it's shitting on Niji retard, why would the sisters make this.
OP is a bigger retard since they fucked the formatting of the original

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404586
She was sucking Yacht owners dick

solved it for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404278
it also means that they went an entire goddamn week after the termination in continuous panic mode, somehow never figuring out that Doki had already said her piece and the statement they were so afraid of was never actually coming.
which seems unlikely, but it's also fucking hilarious to imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404586
it was a mistranslation you see,or a coincidence, this explains it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
We know EN management is ESL and main JP branch don't EN at all so maybe cultural differences contributed. Also a legal team probably isn't the best choice if trying to go for PR. Still, someone should've been mature enough to let the livers know in cases of drama and stuff, less exposure the better. Just stfu and wait it out, collect info during the interim.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't blame you for not reading that wall of slop, but not reading it then going to the conclusion it's sister propaganda really shows how many of you need to fuck off. All of you are dramaniggers who come from charlie, mutabar, and asmongold. Fucking shoot yourself in the head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404280
>Because she's management's favorite
But I thought Vox said there wasn't favouritism.

[Anonymous No.]

>you see management was just in such a panic and in crisis mode they waited several day to time the slander stream at the same time as Doki's stream purely by coincidence
sisters think THIS is the sensible explanation jfc

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404399
>>69404491
Pomu's merch sold poorly in Asia. Most of her fans were westerners. Anycolor is poorly managed and didn't see the value in growing a genuine North American fanbase. They just saw all the opportunities for domestic promotion by putting Elira on billboards and in maid cafes in Tokyo and Taiwan and ran with that because it's the business they're familiar with.

>explaining everything as mistakes and coincidences is more insane than saying someone was making it happen but keep coping and seething
Trying to come up with conspiracy theories for how things ended up the way they are won't lead you anywhere. Life isn't always gonna fit neatly into your theories. Most of the time it genuinely can be explained by incompetence and laziness, because humans on the whole are incompetent and lazy.

If there really was some grand conspiracy masterminded by Elira Pendora I guarantee you Pomu would not be the one being victimized by it. She went on a private vacation to Antarctica with Elira AFTER all of this merch bullshit, that personally cost her like $50,000. They're literally hanging out in Japan right now too. Now what's more logical to you, that Pomu knows Elira had no control over who receives merch, or that Pomu remained friends with someone who sabotaged her career maliciously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404706
I don't know what would make it hard to believe that Anycolor's Japanese legal department and comms would be inflexible make this mistake of not shifting gears as the situation evolves. They stuck with the same assumptions, and same playbook, as they started the second they got that document from Selen's lawyer.

Again, they're really fucking bad at their jobs, as shown by how this thing turned out. But they were most certainly following a script that, in a different situation, would have been the right script. Everything they did was clearly crisis management for a crisis they convinced themselves was happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404588
No, how you get favourtism is by playing the office politics game, or just interacting with people in a way where they'll like you more. So not only have you never had a job, you have no friends. This makes so much more sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404321
Except the gurrat was made from the collective insanity of 100+ people burning the midnight oil across 3 threads. It's a fun compelling narrative, but once you get some sleep and take your meds you realize it's a conspiracy theory about a shadowy cabal pulling the strings behind the scenes. I was an anon in three of those threads that night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
I've read evething, and except the personal opinion the dumbass who wrote this, can be right

BUT, he said some things like "People will forget this" and boy, Anon, that will not happen, some retards tourists may forget about this Nijisanji jab in 1 week, but people from internet NEVER forgets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69404855
This screams of cope and grasping at straws.
The more likely explanation is Elira injected herself into management and embezzled everything.

[Anonymous No.]

But remember kuro’s words “there are a lot of skeletons in the closet” which is why I can see something like the GURRAT or atleast something of the sort being true

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>>69404920
So was I. But the writer of this explainer says they're a comms person, so they're used to writing long form, and it's their SME. It probably didn't even take them that long to shit out.

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>>69404920
>then the lawyer looked at it

And said it made sense and lines up

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>>69404967
We still talk about thinks from 8 years ago.

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>>69404967
At this point yes, Especially for Elira and Vox. But I think the ones who did not participate in the stream may be able to chug along fine as long as they shut the fuck up

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>>69400911
>Nijisanji's secret damage control plan to save Elira's clique, is to scapegoat some faceless legal and PR person.

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>>69404842
To start with, the only way Elira could really have known about the contents of the legal documents which weren't supposed to be read by her, is if she was involved in the process herself, which is the central point in which the whole GURRAT holds itself in the first place. Also, if it's a conflict between talents, it would certainly explain why the Elira stream was started at the same time as Doki/Selen's, which it's highly unproffesional as a corporate decision but makes more sense if understood as a personal vendetta against someone.

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>>69404855
>I guarantee you Pomu would not be the one being victimized by it
You do realize that a lot of us acknowledged that already, right? If you were around in the earlier mental illness threads, we were understanding whom were on good terms or bad terms with the 'clique'. We understand that they are both on good terms already. I believe our rrat spread so far and got distorted so much that a virus was created. Hell, the best version of our rrat didn't break containment lol.

For us, we're not saying Elira sabotaged Pomu's career maliciously. If anything, we understood that Pomu knew office politics and bent the knee to Elira early on, she played the game already due to working in corpo before.

You're definitely missing some facts because of the crazy virus distorting our rrat or maybe some retards are explaining shit poorly, well that's rrats for you. Look for different versions if you want to see why it's convincing, I saw a recent rentry version that has so many autists editing it lol

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>>69405332
They can all claim management ran their accounts for that as well. they all have an out.

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>>69400911

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>>69405371
>the only way Elira could really have known about the contents of the legal documents... is if she was involved in the process herself
see >>69404278
There is very clearly a reason why the people named in the documents would be prepped on the content of the documents.

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>>69405117
I have nothing to cope because I was an original Lazusydia viewer who abandoned NijiEN when my oshi graduated in January of this year. Whatever happens to them doesn't affect me, I only watch indies now.

Just trying to be a voice of reason here, the conspiracies about Elira holding all this power over the branch seem totally unfounded. This is a girl who streams like 9 hours a day 6 days a week, she doesn't even have time to meddle. There's definitely favoritism involved, but I find it hard to believe she was maneuvering behind the scenes to inject herself into things or cost other people opportunities. Management are just assholes who suck at their jobs, and Elira is a doormat who does anything they ask of her, which they like because it makes their jobs easier. She tanked her own career by trusting management in making that announcement video. If this was someone who is as Machiavellian as everyone claims she would've forced someone else to make the announcement on their channel and hid in the shadows to avoid the fallout. Like Rosemi.

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>>69405117
>The more likely explanation is Elira injected herself into management and embezzled everything.
I know no one here ever watched Elira, but someone who plays JRPGs poorly for 8+ hours then sleeps in until noon doesn't make the high powered cabal leader thing more likely.

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>>69405483
>>69405494
This is getting out of hand, now there's two clique shills here.

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>>69404920
>a conspiracy theory about a shadowy cabal pulling the strings behind the scenes
Actually it's just a theory about office politicking that happens in any workplace.

I had a manager who got away with shit because he was fucking HIS manager. Let him be a verbally, and sometimes physically, abusive piece of shit until she wound up fired and her replacement threw my manager out within the month because while he tried to pretend to not be an absolute cunt, he couldn't keep up the facade.
Workplace politicking leading to workplace harrassment isn't a conspiracy theory.
Workplace harrassment potentially leading to suicide is an established fact.

All I can say is you've either never worked, or you've had one job your whole life and got lucky in your first go.

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>>69404855
Meanwhile, the NijiEN store shows Pomu's merch always outselling Elira's. You'd think a for-profit business would focus more on whoever is selling more (bringing in more money), rather than someone who is getting pushed by management more in one region of the world.
Of course, even the low-earners should have merch releases every once in a while, but it just seems odd that someone who sells so much merch, gets so little merch compared to someone who sells less.
>They're literally hanging out in Japan right now too.
No proof of that.
>Now what's more logical to you, that Pomu knows Elira had no control over who receives merch
I will be completely fair here: I doubt Elira had any control over it. But there is definitely some form of management favortism that went on. And I bet that by the time Pomu noticed, she was already set on graduating, so she didn't care anymore.

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>>69405371
> At least some of these allegations involve specific Livers, so the comms team (working with legal) shows talent selected portions of Selen's document in order to coach them on a statement about any sensitive information regarding past lives, workplace communications, etc. This explains the second mystery of "why did Elira, Vox, Ike, Millie, Enna, etc. see portions of Selen's document:" comms believed that each of these talent would need to respond to specific allegations about their behavior and began prepping these statements based on legal's failure to understand the nature of Selen's account.

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>>69405393
>For us, we're not saying Elira sabotaged Pomu's career maliciously. If anything, we understood that Pomu knew office politics and bent the knee to Elira early on, she played the game already due to working in corpo before.
I wrote that part of the GURrat. I wrote it because I didn't want to see my dumb MGS ojisan oshi get railroaded in the grand narrative.

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>>69405393
>Look for different versions if you want to see why it's convincing, I saw a recent rentry version that has so many autists editing it lol
NTA but I posted a timeline reconstruction in this thread at post 69404564, maybe it can be of help in understanding the GURRAT for those who weren't around when the pieces were being put together some days ago.

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>>69405693
Also explains why they each made the crazy claim that Selen's document risked doxxing them; because they were told what was in the document was what Selen was going to release to the public.

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>>69405483
>This is a girl who streams like 9 hours a day 6 days a week, she doesn't even have time to meddle.
If you can provide us with screenshots and proof, I'll believe you. A part of me believes you because you sound like a legitimate Lazusydia viewer.

>Management are just assholes who suck at their jobs, and Elira is a doormat who does anything they ask of her, which they like because it makes their jobs easier. She tanked her own career by trusting management in making that announcement video.
Yeah, you're convincing. Give us more proof and I'll subscribe to your idea that Elira was Management's Fall Guy.

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>>69405393
The rrat is a rrat. >>69404920 (me)
That's what makes it compelling.
We've well passed the magical moments where all the rrats were true and are just riding that high.
All we have right now is a narrative, until the wave of mass graduations/terminations/separations later this month or in march.

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>>69405575
>I had a manager who got away with shit because he was fucking HIS manager.
Confirming this happens frequently. In my instance its a guy working in worldwide brand that every single person should know. The same manager puts in incorrect numbers for medical/research reporting, but he's fucking the manager so thats all good.

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>>69405494
>I know no one here ever watched Elira, but someone who plays JRPGs poorly for 8+ hours then sleeps in until noon doesn't make the high powered cabal leader thing more likely.
You gotta back this up with clips and images and you'll be destroying rrats, my friend. Sisters have a chance, good luck

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>>69405720
I agreed with your part because I knew Pomu was an OL. Despite my mental illness, I've had fond memories of NijiEN which is probably why I'm so pissed off at them lol. I believe a lot of people knew about that aspect which is why it's so believable

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>>69405608
>But there is definitely some form of management favortism that went on. And I bet that by the time Pomu noticed, she was already set on graduating, so she didn't care anymore.
That's the thing, it's very very likely there is heavy favoritism towards Elira because she's easy to work with and never complains, and not because she's politicking behind the scenes. Pomu probably realized that her and Selen always fighting management for projects and forcing them to do their jobs got her a bad reputation internally, and it was hopeless trying to keep going because management would keep stonewalling her over petty office politics. Same shit happened to Coco when she got pushed out.

That's just the reality of working in a corpo, the people who never complain have it the easiest and the people who actually care about the product get pushed out for speaking their mind too much.

>>69405864
>If you can provide us with screenshots and proof, I'll believe you. A part of me believes you because you sound like a legitimate Lazusydia viewer.
Elira's average streams are really long. Pic related.

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>>69405483
the voice of reason that avoids posts like this >>69405371 lmao you're trying to do what you THINK "enlightened centrists" do and you're obvious as fuck

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>>69406006
Yup I agree, it's just weird that so many people just fuck up the rrat when explaining it as it broke containment. Whatever, the main message of the narrative sort of makes sense in a way

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>>69405693
While I can accept that interpretation too, it certainly doesn't explain why were the allegations against Elira and the others made in the first place. I will wait for more information to come along for now, if it comes in the first place, before doing any judgement.

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>>69406163
>gets two replies
>still complains about not enough (you)s
how greedy, anon

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>>69406155
>That's just the reality of working in a corpo, the people who never complain have it the easiest and the people who actually care about the product get pushed out for speaking their mind too much.
Yep, speaking out above your station is looked down on in a rigid hierarchy.

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>>69405575
I've quit multiple shit jobs. I'm not saying there's no truth in it, but if there is it's really not as exciting or logical as everyone makes it out to be...
At the end of the day, Doki was a workaholic and nijisanji was a place that was run like dogshit, by college students at below minimum wage jobs, in their second language. There was definitely some horsehit, it just wasn't that pretty.

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>>69406155
>Same shit happened to Coco when she got pushed out.
??????????? the fuck, I don't remember this shit.

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>>69404855
>They're literally hanging out in Japan right now too.
False. Pomu has been hanging out with vshojos, indies and artists. She has been avoiding hanging out with any nijis.

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>>69406286
Anycolor's PR response and comms team being what they were, and there being favoritism/a clique/go down the list, don't contradict one another even a little bit. Obviously there's a reason why those talents would be named in a document of Selen's list of grievances.

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>>69406304
Poster of 69405371 here. 69406163 isn't me, 69406351 is. But I admit that I find funny being mistaken for other anons.

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>>69406418
Don't worry about that Anon, that happened when he was sleeping

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>>69406418
Managers started fighting her on every project she wanted to do. That plus the hangover from taiwan ruining her collabs, was why she was pushed out.

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>>69406155
Sorry bro, your pic-related isn't convincing enough for your claim:
>This is a girl who streams like 9 hours a day 6 days a week, she doesn't even have time to meddle.

I added the hours and as a person who actually watches long streams while understanding the background, it doesn't hold up to me. Lots of these big time streamers overwork themselves, it's well-known and documented. Anyways, maybe she didn't seem like a shitty person in the early years but from the gurrat, we were focusing on the timeline from around 2022 - 2024. We acknowledged that in year 1, Niji India was in control and there wasn't any huge issues.

Honestly, I think your image of Elira is based on how much you watched and my posts aren't meant to sully your memory of her. I can understand you disliking her image being destroyed in the big narrative, anybody would. Still, something is off and if it proves true that Elira was a complete doormat by management, sasuga. However, we'll probably never know unless Niji pulls another huge big yab related to this again lol

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>>69406634 (me)
Anyone she collabed with would be mobbed by chinese bots. She was apologizing for that up to like the month before graduation.

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WHY ARE YOU NEWFAGS ENTERTAINING THE ASTROTURFING SISTERS?
HOLY FUCK IT'S LIKE I'M IN BIZARO WORLD.
ANY OTHER TIME THIS THREAD WOULD HAVE BEEN PRUNED WITHIN 10 MINUTES, YET YOU KEEP BUMPING IT

HOLY FUCK NIGGERS ARE YOU BRAINDEAD

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>>69406634
>>69406809
I already know about the Chinese Taiwan bullshit. However, I do NOT recall anything about the managers started fights with her on every project that she wanted to do. That feels like it should've been well-documented and I need proof. I honestly believe you're completely misinformed or engaging in a very bad-faith arguments which is possible due to how astroturfed this board is

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>>69402234
Allow me to play the doubles avocado for a moment.

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I remember during Nina's graduation stream (the 2nd part) when she was talking with Selen, Nina says that Selen no longer hangs out in the discord anymore, and that Selen did so for the sake of her own metal well-being/happiness/work well-being/boundaries. And I thought it was weird since everyone seemed to have fun and get along well during collabs. Why wouldn't they all want to hang out and talk on discord even when not streaming? The livers always saying NijiEN is like a "family" and all that.

But if what Niji said about other livers bullying Selen is true, and Doki saying she had been in a toxic environment and had been bullied for MONTHS...the fact that she would want to STAY AWAY from the NijiEN discord all makes sense now...it lines up

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>>69406478
Technically, she just hasn't said anything about Niji. She could still be hanging out with them (the deadline for the letters is the 20th so she might be at the office then) we just wouldn't know about it until she says anything.

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>>69405575
It's not that GURRAT is some extremely schizo and highly unlikely thing, it's that it hinges on the talent manager rrat being true and despite what people here are saying, we don't actually have concrete proof that it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but I'm more willing to believe that the actual managers were petty retards playing favouritism and spiting Selen because she was being too uppity for their liking. That lines up with basically everything we've ever seen with Nijisanji managers. I also don't doubt there was a big clique in NijiEN, that's true beyond a shadow of a doubt, the question is to what extent they had influence over/acted as management and engaged in bullying

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>>69406856
CHill daddy, sisters have a point this time

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>>69406856
You're insane, it's not plausible, BPD, mistranslation, coincidence, you're a bad person, more people agree with me, more authoritative people agree with me

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>>69406401
Yeah well unfortunately most people have had shit jobs with shit managers who made their lives shit and it never ended in a way they could feel good about so with this situation everyone wants to live vicariously through it and see a shit manager be absolutely fucked over regardless of how bad she actually was because they want Catharsis-by-Proxy.
And no, that's not me giving Elira any sympathy that she's essentially a psychological scapegoat for a whole lot of people. Because she got made said scapegoat by being a petty, shitty person who did a petty, shitty thing.
Even if she isn't the manager, she's a fucking brown-noser for volunteering that stream.

End of the day; if you follow bad orders, you're a bad person.
And if the wages are that fucking bad, you quit either literally quit or quiet-quit.
You don't uphend your entire life and go to Japan to do your job even harder for shit pay.

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>>69406936
NTA but I recall it being mentioned in long post-stream zatsus/superchat readings. It's basically her reason for leaving, hence thr TALENT FREEDOM memes that live to this day.

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>>69406856
What are you talking about, anon? I am clearly a regular poster on this here anonymous imageboard known as /vt/, anon. You should know that I am a regular because I understand the terminology of this image board, and to suggest otherwise is a bizarre rrat without merit.

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>>69404855
>If there really was some grand conspiracy masterminded by Elira Pendora I guarantee you Pomu would not be the one being victimized by it.

Are you literally blind

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>>69406985
it's just a coincidence, she could have stayed away from the discord for any reason, show me a signed legal document saying she stayed away from the discord because of harassment

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>>69406276
>it's just weird that so many people just fuck up the rrat when explaining it as it broke containment.
>>69406769
>we were focusing on the timeline from around 2022 - 2024.
Maybe the timeline that I posted at 69404564 can be of help to those who want a condensed version of the events concerning the GURRAT.

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>>69407017
No the point of Gurrat is it works no matter how you change up the motives and personalities etc. Nothing changes even if you change up who is at fault etc.

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>>69407097
yeah no, I can't believe this and you're just a bored troll, here's your (You)

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>>69400911
But this is literally the Reddit rrat.

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>>69406856
the rrat is not pro-niji, it's just another perspective, calm the fuck down

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Elira is a manager vs Elira is friends with manager who does her bidding is a distinction without a difference. It's quite likely she doesnt hold any official position but still pulls the strings of power to her favor and used it to harass people outside her clique and acted as translator and go-between for many things

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>>69404855
>Western branch sells more in the west
NO FUCKING WAY

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>>69407606
you see it makes sense that anycolor dont want the western branch to sell in the west and they dont want western money
The SANE TAKE is that they made the en branch to appeal to japan exclusively

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>>69400911
As ever, the most generous take is that NijiEN and the clique are absolute fucking retards. Otherwise they're varying degrees of malicious, petty, and retarded depending on how you want to distribute the blame. No one at Niji comes out of this looking good except, perhaps ironically, Scarle of all people, who somehow managed to deftly maneuver through the disaster either through dumb luck or good instincts. I don't know if I can keep calling her a girlfailure anymore.

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>>69407203
Coco/Kson was never anywhere near as vocal as Doki about this. It came up once or twice in members near the end or on a kson stream before she left.

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>>69407024
>>69407051
>>69407430
YOU STICK OUT LIKE SORE THUMBS YOU ABSOLUTE RETARDS
ARE YOU ALL UNDERAGEB& CHINK FUJOSHIS? I REFUSE TO BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL SO INCREDIBLY FUCKING RETARDED THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN ASTROTURF CONVINCINGLY ON /vt/ OF ALL PLACES

HOLY FUCK YOU CHINK HOLES ARE BRAINDEAD


The more irate you make me the more I will continue to disseminate the gurrat to dramatubers and twitter. I can be equally autistic if you manage to rekindle my motivation.

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>>69407478
>Elira is friends with manager who does her bidding is a distinction without a difference
Actually it has a huge difference.
Blame falls on the manager. If they're fired, she's still there poisoning the well.
Hopefully a new manager can see who they are, but maybe they won't.

And it all starts again.

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>>69407723
It was 100% dumb luck. Girl managed to become the single unscathed NijiEN member simply by failing the hardest at failing.

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>>69407478
>It's quite likely she doesnt hold any official position but still pulls the strings of power to her favor
It's why she was identified as a 'shadow manager' instead of as an official one. A detail that some retellings of the rrat forget about.

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>>69407478
The difference is between 'she pulls the strings in her favor' and 'she's the golden child of the branch and therefore gets better deals'. One makes her malicious, other does not

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>>69407778
>underaged schizo accusing others of being underaged schizos
Pottery.

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>>69401107
I think I may have zoomer brain and/or I've been TikTok/ytshorts too much.
I expected to see a bunch of text to pop up everytime the camera changes, or the hands do big sweeping motions.
Bwain bwoken need meds.

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>>69407889
every (you) I get will increase the number of indies and dramatubers I contact with info about the gurrat by 1.

That's already a +1

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>>69407876
Well, not malicious is a bit far, in the black stream. She just outed herself as either a vile bitch or a dumb bitch, but no matter the outcome, she's a bitch.

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>>69407802
I think it's mostly luck and there's no way she schemed it all out, but it's not impossible she had some animal insight that they were in absolutely no position to punish her.

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>>69400911
Nigger why the fuck are you stylizing that trying to disguise the fact that it's a reddit post

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If anyone has enough autism, can you please gather up the one thing: how much has Ewiwa been working as talent proper (streams) per these 8 last months- 1 year?
To explain why such an act of autism must be done: acting as a de-facto manager and a full-time talent sounds like a recipe for burnout and overwork. Was there actually enough time in her schedule for scheming, talenting and functioning as a human being (like 6 hours of sleep and like 2-4 hours to eat/buy groceries/pay taxes)?
As long as doesn't have a Time Turner lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408287
sister, you've got to drop it...

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>>69407876
Wouldnt explain what happened with Hyte, try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69407716
I know you're making fun of NDF logic but there are legit retards who think like this

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>>69407723
There is a fine line between the harm caused by idiocy and the one caused maliciousness, so I can't blame neither those who take the side of ''it was incompetence'' or those who think that the video was made in bad blood.

[Anonymous No.]

the holes suddenly stop quoting and the scramble to see how they will pivot their astroturfing

They are quite literally actually retarded
did they fucking grow up eating chink gutter oil to the point their brains never developed?
it's fascinating to me just how fucking infantile they are in their astroturfing tactics

you won't be able to de-escalate sisters, you already pissed me off and i already mass messaged a dozen indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408058
Yeah, she was fucking retarded to do this stream, especially on her channel. But I lean towards dumb bitch that tried to appease the management

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>>69408359
Dude, I keep hearing of NijiEN/HoloEN fans get super butthurt if any physical merch isn't also sold in Japan. The double standards are insane.

captcha RPRJW

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408508
larping faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Personally I want to believe Elira is just a retard rather than actively evil because she gave me a lot of strength in 2021-2022, but this whole situation with Doki paints a pretty awful picture. I hope I'm right and the gurrat is wrong, but it's convincing.

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>>69400911
The best part about the gurrat is that management being utter incompetent retards who misunderstood the legal document doesn't actually mean elira wasn't also manipulating things behind the scenes for her and her close allies best interests at the same time.
The gurrat is flexible like that. So much of it has been proven true and a lot of the extra stuff (which are themselves nothing more than rrats right now) doesn't actually deconfirm the previous stuff's chances of being true.

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>>69408355
We don't know what the future product pipeline was going to be. It could have been light theme first, then dark (woah, kind of like lazusydia). Hyte is run by a tight group, who didn't like the way the termination was handled then "negligible" happened, so they bailed.

[Anonymous No.]

and I will be autistically making gurrat generals later today even if the tranny mods keep deleting them

I was too bored and disinterested to continue engaging but it seems the fujosisters decided to engage in consensus cracking campaigns like retards. Well, you managed to make me interested again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408355
I do not know how hyte stuff relates to the discussion, they had the deal, they dropped the deal when the shitstorm started, how is it related to Elira?

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>>69408698
who were the talents selected for the hyte collab, anon?

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>>69404160
As if you can't hear it in your head anyway.

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>>69408328
Not really a sister, I promise.
I just want to be sure without a shadow of a doubt. This Korean sour plum syrup making forum did on occasion get things wrong.
There is a very good chance she did have enough time for all the things that were described in gurrat. It would very likely be just another piece of the puzzle that falls into place. We are essentially waiting for someone to slip and fall and that is kind of unlikely to happen at this stage.

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>>69408467
I'd say the three in the video are at the point where it doesn't matter. Either they're so retarded that it makes them incapable of reason and they might as well be malicious or they're so malicious that they might as well be retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408917
>le retard de Vox Akuma

[Anonymous No.]

>>69408917
'Le retard de Vox Akuma' honoring his name, nothing else to see here.

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>>69408785
Elira, Rosemi and Enna(?), I don't remember desu. Again, we know that Elira gets more deals but 'elira pulls the strings' explanation is no better than 'management likes elira so she gets the deal'.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys realize Elira got 8 merchs, the next closest person got 4?
>>69408911
You can't explain that without the clique.

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>>69408026
Here's a (You), underaged retard

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>>69409092
Nobody denies the clique and Elira favoritism is a thing. The part that's just exaggerating to a stupid degree is the part where she's the ringleader of a shadow cabal and secretly the one in full control of the branch.

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>>69409255
>nobody denies
>100 posts of doxsisters outright denying it ITT

neck yourself

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>>69409065
NTA
Both can be true, she is their JP-EN interpreter so it's to be expected that she would become favored by the management. Being their interpreter also means being in control of the communications between the HQ and the EN branch, which would let her distort the contents of what is said in a way that would be advantageous to her.

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>>69409351
She being the interpreter is also a rrat. The GURrat hinges on her being the original liason to build her power base. She wasn't even the most fluent in Japanese at the time of Lazusydia. It was Petra.

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>>69408698
They wanted Selen, Selen wanted the deal with the, it was mysteriously blocked from happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>69409351
IF she's their interpreter. If you can proof that, the rrat will be much more viable.

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>>69409568
but Petra is weak and stupid

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>>69409581
Did Hyte post somewhere that they wanted Selen?

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>>69409568
>of course they favoured Elira because she was the translator, it doesnt mean she was pulling the strings!
>Elira being the translator is only a rrat
Pick one and stop flip flopping with your cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>69409092
Yeah, but we haven't addressed the luxiem dedicated channel or the noctyx boys getting a project on the main channel. The gurrat needs some work, starting from the AR live.

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>>69409568
Elira debuted first, giving her a head-start in gaining the favor of management. Still, it's true that Petra also being good at japanese isn't really addressed in the GURRAT as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69400911
Jesas Christ, put it inot an AI summarizer or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>69409667
>>He really lacking critical information.

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>>69409739
Lazusydia was all recruited at the same time (it was talked about it I think shortly after Obsydia's debut), but the debuts were staggered. Petra was in at the same time as Elira.

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>>69401107
Fpbp

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>>69409667
The only reason they sponsored Niji to begin with was because they wanted Selen and Selen wanted the deal.

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>>69402580
Lel

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>>69409604
Can't say I have any definitive proof beyond what has been guessed by others all these days ago. That is why it's a rrat to begin with, the moment there is definitive proof it stops being a rrat.

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>>69400911
>literal reddit post disguised to not look like reddit
Mob boss Elira deserves better than this

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>>69409667
No, the PC gaming case sponsors didnt want the APEX PC gamer, they didnt think that fitted their brand as well as the indie game and pokemon shitter, this is once again the sane and reasonable take

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>>69409850
Yes, I know. I was thinking that since she was one of the first 3 to debut, she would be more involved with things involving the company than someone who wouldn't debut until some months later.
As I said, I recognize that there is a hole in the GURRAT pertaining to Petra's role in all of this.

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>>69410285
>As I said, I recognize that there is a hole in the GURRAT pertaining to Petra's role in all of this.

Unless she's manager #2.

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>>69410177
They've made cases with Mori and Baelz, that's not an argument. I don't think the stated that anywhere, if you have receipts it would be good to see them.

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this one is boring compared to gurrat

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>>69410285
>>69410435

Already been discussed. Original management was covering EN and IN. After IN was dissolved the management covered EN for a bit. After a while they left for some NFT scam. Thats when Elira and Petra started handling management duties. Elira started doing more and more and slowly pushed Petra out until she was on her own little island.

This was figured out on like day 1 or 2 of the original rrat

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>>69409667
Not HYTE, but their marketing executive producer did hint at "helping" her after pulling out of Niji.
https://twitter.com/HAMMERSKIMA/status/1755124483525099713

>>69410177
If they didn't want her they wouldn't have suggested it

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>>69410647
Crazy. I gotta go back for a refresher.

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>>69400911

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>>69410647
Thanks, I may check the archives later.

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>>69410437
Which would be just as crazy if they had excluded Ame, the PC gamer who plays FPS
Except they didnt, you just decided to remove her to make a dishonest attempt at an argument, because that's all you've got

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of course its a decent rrat, the comm rrat is just a lay out of the events of selens termination, playing it safe and going with the best case scenario to explain what happened, its what most people were concluding at first before odd details brought up more questions.
GURRAT is the more ballsy rat that expands its cone of vision to the whole of nijien instead of treating the situation as a bubble.

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>>69410904
It is still completely hearsay argument, you don't know how livers are chosen for the promotion, and you don't have proof that hyte wanted Selen. The marketing guy did post on doki's tweet, but that can be interpreted as getting free publicity from the situation. And most importantly, It does not show that Elira bended the promotion to exclude Selen

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>>69411351
It's mindboggling that things have gotten to the point where 'sheer incompetence leading to panicked full-fledged character assassination' is what people see as the BEST CASE scenario

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>>69411356
>"it's just a coincidence" episode 6479086
of course the sane logical take is that there were an ever expanding number of random coincidences that all go in the same direction every time

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>>69411356
How many coincidences does it take before it starts being evidence, sister?

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>>69411589
Bad translators will do that to you, multinational dealings are a fucking rough time. Navigating cultural, linguistic, and timezone issues just naturally causes a lot of issues - adding in gross incompetence, malice, underpaid/rotating management staff makes that real fucking believable.
Obviously no proof, but I find it more appealing than the gurrat since it sticks closer to actual known facts/events. The gurrat assumes everyone just has a nice cohesive reason for all the shit they do, fiction requires that sort of thought out through line to a plot, reality can often be disappointingly filled with dipshits who just do things without thinking them through.

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>>69411589
Crazy it's gotten to the point that it has become the sister narrative too. They can't even defend the company that they're trying to defend

KEK

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>>69411794
The gurrat can still be true if everyone is just dipshits you know

The rrat posted by OP relies on them being dipshits while still not disproving the rrat.

The fact that it doesn't matter to the gurrat the level of competence or maliciousness while this one does makes the gurrat actually more plausible mathematically lmao

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>>69411695
It's not about if it's coincidence or not, there's no point in arguing that Elira gets more promotions than others, it is obvious. The point is that you do not have evidence that Elira herself controlled who gets promotions.

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>>69411913
No it doesn't anon. The rrat is just a rrat until the rrat is real, there may be some things about the rrat that are true, but there's just not enough public evidence. If everyone is shouting fire, and I smell smoke and not seawater, I'm not worried about a kraken.

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>>69409255
There's a pretty decent chance the rrat elira has a senior position in running en via feeding a bunch of bullshit to japan is true. Those merch statistics don't lie and they paint a very damning picture. If things were being run based on pure profitability and supply-demand pomu and selen would be just as high.
Even that black screen stream is an example. You don't do something like that unless you're extremely high off your own farts.

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>>69402580
Too lazy to write about dislike someone without upvote and downvote. KWAB

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>>69412816
B-But how do I know what to think unless there are hivemind updoots, HAEH?!?!?!?!

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>>69404586
2022 was legit, 2023 was her hogging merch for herself. Personally, I'd discount the first two or three sets of merch. The first three branches only got very limited slots and you have to choose *someone*. They might have gone with Elira/Pomu on an equal basis, with Finana sprinkled in occasionally. That's what we see in the first sets. From 2023, all bets are off and it's all Elira all the time

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>>69408287
You make a great point there, sister. As we know now from several sources (sayu, kuro, matara and selen) management was slow to respond and barely did any work. This would tie great into the gurrat if you consider that a talent who already works a lot would not be able to handle the additional workload of managing other talents. Thank you for pointing this out, sister!

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>>69401257
such is a hard life anon, make sure to watch Welcome to the NHK bruddah

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>>69407053
Very spot on to the emotional tangents of this entire situation. The fact is people wills till uphold a semblance of moral code and a moral compass in public because no one wants to get treated unfairly. For such a cut throat industry and the rrat supporting evidence of favoritism and her stupidity to be a representative of this shit show honestly doesn't warrant the sympathy certain people want to believe in her. Even if it was a legal attack, don't make that shit public!

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>>69402580
Can't echo chamber without their likes, now they need to actually refute statements in posts they dislike

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>>69404881
Yeah the Zaion thing baited them into thinking this was the way to handle contentious terminations. Remember with Yugo they wanted to do this too but Yugo lawyered up because they found out.

The big evolution of the tactic is not informing the other party ahead of time. Shock and awe. Was fucking stupid as a way to handle firing a publically beloved talent

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>>69400911
meh. boring rrat, gurrat is better. simple as

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>>69405575
Had a similar situation except it was with the head of HR. Once a new manager came in and fired her, the manager was gone in a month.

Stuff like this is unfortunately very common. The humans who get into management roles are even more predisposed to it than normal humans

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>>69407017
That's not the main issue. You can still reduce it to favoritism of some kind and have it work out. The main issue is the extent claimed of said favortism and how far it went. The main issue is mainly on the economic side and embezzlement, that was never going to happen. We're talking about one of the biggest companies on the Tokyo Stock Exchange and a public company. They need to actually have their finances vetted by a third party accounting firm who can confirm the numbers are accurate and true, otherwise, they won't sign off on earnings and that has happened. I can believe incompetence and misappropriation of resources at best but anything further isn't believable and that's where it falls apart because the main advantage of the clique if it was true was the economic advantage it would be able to confer to certain members and not others.

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>>69414274
this is a great point, you can see them trying to refine the tactic as they try it over and over

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It's funny the amount of people outside of here who bring up
>Elira can't be managing anything she streams too much to do that the rrat is stupid
as a good argument when those same people will also agree that NijiEN management doesn't work hard to support their talents in the first place. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

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>>69414644
You dont know what form the economic advantages took. If they get $10k for travel expenses for Lazulight and Elira spends it on her own holidays it might still look like Lazulkight travel expenses to them. Not saying this happened, just a hypothetical example

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>>69410750
Do you think Vox decided to drag Selen through the mud due to her criticizing his cringey rape-fantasy asmr with his fanbase? You know, the one that pissed off his own fanbase?
Or was he just being a sexpest?

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>>69414665
the other part is she streams twice a week and why else would Elira have been the one who had to cancel a stream to call around and find Selen when it happened?

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>>69415014
The guy behaves like he owns 'his' space. Vox is honestly a bigger part of the problem we may think while Elira got thrown under the bus due to being the public image. Selen had a dispute with Vox SPECIFICALLY yet we don't see any attention further pressured onto him, yet we know from the silence he was just as culpable. Why would you think the guy is less at fault and he was below Elira?

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>>69414960
If there is a competent expense reimbursement system in place, that should not happen as you need to provide receipts. But I would not put it past NijiEN to be incompetent at that, but it can't be more than misappropriation of funds that was intended for a broader purpose that ultimately had a narrow one because it would get caught by the said third party accounting firm. We aren't exactly talking about anything beyond several grand.
No one in the said clique is smart enough to explicitly try and violate public securities law by cooking numbers that hard to get the advantages the GURRAT supposedly espouses, it assumes that any of them are good at math at NijiEN in the first place, which given what we know about their math skills is laughable and they would be punished hard. Any accountant worth their salt would not do this either because it's a fast track to lose your license.

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>>69405483
>who streams like 9 hours a day 6 days a week
more like 80 hours a month (for 10/23 and 12/23 at least - 11/23 was way less). That's about half the workload a wagie has and leaves more than enough time for management duties. Moreover, no one in their right mind would think that she'd micromanage 30 other organs. By now, she'd only be involved in high level affairs and delegate the rest. You know, like managers do

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>>69400911
By far the most believable account of events. Of course, it'll be promptly disregarded because the majority here are retards who can't even read, let alone think.

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>>69415313
Your argument is basically "People cant do illegal things, it's illegal!" and "if they did it they'd be caught!"
They may in fact now be caught

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>>69401687
>I don't know who or what that is and I refuse to learn
fair enough

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>>69415445
I only say that because the severity of doing so is too high for any rational person to do, this is explicit jail time and massive monetary damages territory not only for the company but for the individuals as well. Hanlon's razor applied here leads me to believe it's more incompetence rather than explicit malicious intent when outside of the clique behavior, favoritism and animosity towards Selen right up to the CEO response from Riku, we haven't seen any other signs or misgivings that shows bad behavior elsewhere that would lead me to think otherwise.

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>>69400911
So since Elira is legal and PR team, she is fucking retarded and misunderstood the doc, who mean she is the evil villainous pupeter, okay i get it OP. So nothing changed about elira, why did you made this threat? Ho i didn't read your shit BTW i don't give a fuck this woman is evil.

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>>69414169
that's horrible, they can't even post pic related to dismiss a post

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>>69415581
It would also explain the misunderstandings too lmao. Because her Japanese is almost as bad as mine.
It would be fucking hilarious if this entire shitstorm was brought about because they refused to let her out of the contract and Selen's legal team bought a JP translator.

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>>69415570
>bully someone into a suicide attempt TWICE
>keep going
>I dont see any evidence of malice
oh ok, I see what I'm talking to here.

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>>69415570
Most criminals aren't smart, thats why they do crime

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>>69415726
Read carefully, I said outside of what has been observed. Again, I question the degree of how much you can trust a narrative with no evidence that you keep extending with a priori evidence elsewhere vs rational human behavior. I rather side with human behavior here unless it can be proven otherwise with solid evidence and I will die on that hill.
>>69415745
Violating public securities law via fudging public company financials is white collar crime, this requires advanced knowledge to pull off. You can't unwillingly break the law here with so many safeguards in place.

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>>69415864
you're talking about rational human behaviour, do you think the parts observed are rational? Do you know that patterns of behavior are a thing?

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>>69400911
>expecting anyone to read all that

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>>69407894
It's the zoomification my guy

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>niji lawyers misinterpreted why doki lawyer sent the doc
then both doki and the lawyer should have explained what the doc was for.
imagine making threats about getting "lawyerd up" (allegedly) then sending them papers.
what the fuck would you expect nijis response to be?
if the lawyer said
>by the way, we aren't suing you.
>this is just her listing out her complaints and who was involved in the bullying
maybe they would have been like
>ah, soudesune~ we will "punish" our livers okay? arigato gaijinーsan
then do nothing and move on.
no drama
but that's if what OP saying about the jap lawyers making a mistake rrat is true

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>>69416226
>imagine making threats about getting "lawyerd up" (allegedly) then sending them papers.
what the fuck would you expect nijis response to be?
Those papers and her prior communication never stated the intention of suing. It was always about letting her quit under neutral circumstances. Underpaid lawstudents will make that mistake.

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>>69415956
The chain of slander events looks more plausible through comm rrat, and it doesn't require Elira to be the head of all-controlling clique inside nijiEN.

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>>69400911
Ho Lee Phuc

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>>69416226
>then both doki and the lawyer should have explained what the doc was for.
doki probably did, whichever lawyer wrote or translated it probably fucked up and it didn't get through.
the confidentiality aspect of it probably got mangled too.
i sure as fuck wouldn't want to deal with cross-language lawyers, sounds like a fucking nightmare

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>>69411930
But you do agree that Hyte initially agreed to the sponsorship because they thought one of the livers would be Selen, right?

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>>69400911
You're forgetting one fact about this nijisister/faggot/nigger
>i am from comms
If this is true then:
>I am pushing my own agenda on you because I know how to do it
faggots like you never really think that there are still places that question your "educated" statements.
You cannot salvage this yacht. It is going to burn and you don't have enough water to douse it.

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>>69400911
>/r/Nijisanji damage control post
go back

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>>69400911
Isn't this just the commsratt? Why are anons freaking out like it just debunked gurrat kek.
Personally this speculation is as plausible as the gurrat as it lays forth a circumstance that is way too common in international companies that you really can't discredit.

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>>69417653
the main points being, Elira/Management could have misinterpreted the doc because
1. Elira was panicking because a lawsuit could spell doom for her
2. Management was panicking because they're shit and incompetent

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>>69402580
Jesus Christ

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>>69417827
I think the issue here is that looking at their actions following the 'misinterpretation', it still marks them out as utterly horrible people. Sort of like a guy who thinks he won the lottery and then flips off his boss, shits on his desk, slaps the receptionist and then realizes the 6 on his ticket is actually a 9.

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>>69400911
>>69404564

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>>69400911
>An actual Reddit post
>written by some history major with <3 years of experience
>Didn't know anything about Zaion so he's some fucker "I'm a x and this my opinion" poster who just latched on without doing proper research
>Thought PR wouldn't be kept in the loop at all
>Thought Doki cooperated with Niji to write her second statement (Reason: IT'S IN JAPANESE WOAHH)
If this keeps getting spammed past this thread then you know it's someone trying to take attention off Elira.

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is the rrat generals still getting deleted? there's still something to pick up on the latest forensic dilemma regarding the Millie screenshot

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>>69417827
In their Legal & General Affairs hiring page :
・ Experience in studying for the bar exam or judicial scrivener examination, or at least 2 years of legal experience at another company, and a level of legal knowledge that allows you to handle regular legal work on your own after OJT (attorney qualification is not required)
So I assume their legal team got someone with "X years working legal at Y company/law firm " omitted( actual job was making tea & coffee , copy papers & bow down together with their boss to apologize whenever an angry client come over )

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>>69400911
Niji's response was retarded and it would have been retarded even if they misunderstood it like that. The best option was to shut the fuck up. All other companies in the entire world seems to understand that.

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>>69418072
That's why the gurrat is still the leading speculation no matter how outlandish it is. Even the author of the commsratt commented the absurdity of the Elira stream and didn't comment much on that.

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>>69418335
Lawyer leaned on the speculation that we've been overestimating the Niji lawyer's abilities, but still you can trace it to incompetent management

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>>69418545
>the absurdity of the Elira stream
I mean, who can, really? It seems like an offensive move more than anything, especially due to the overlap with doki's stream.

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>>69418399
Yeah, they are retarded, but comm rrat is simpler and less conspiratorial. It is also little bit easier to refute it (if niji continues to slander Selen the rrat does not hold)

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>>69400911
the worst thing about this post isn't the length, it's the cancerous fucking formatting

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>>69406936
Coco's member stream from March 2021

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>>69400911
when does it end?

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>>69401236
Nijiseethe

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>>69400911
This is actually proof that the dramabird rrat is real. All it has done is caused more and more drama. This rrat is not decent, it's overly developed fanfiction.

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Depressed Nousagi just mentioned on his current stream that Legal Mindset just agreed to collab with him a couple of streams from now.

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>>69424021
Straight into the trash.

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>>69419046
>>69419266
Simplest explanation is that EN management are emotionally involved in the conflict, like personally hating Selen, and makes bad decisions because of it. Upper JP management only knows what is reported to them by EN, so they can't see this happening and intervene.

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>>69424021
Live now, apparently 2 guests this time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQP-MIGBhzY

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>>69424890
>EN management
But Anon...