I think idol culture is cool and good

[Anonymous No.]

Tell me why you disagree

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>>69238922
Niggers

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>>69238922
i don't because i'm not a woman nor trying to get on a woman's good side

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>>69238922
Idol culture is good.
The recent drama is rooted in a rejection of idol culture.
Foreign talents can't help but cause problems for the company because they don't understand how to conduct themselves appropriately.
Hire clowns... get a circus. As the English saying goes.

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>>69238922
What fags /here/ call "Idol Culture" and what idol culture actually is are two different things anyway.

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>>69239004
Exactly!
Motherfuckers watched Oshi no Mid and think they know how the Japanese entertainment industry works

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>>69238922
I don't disagree, i think the way Hololive does it is pretty good
People against it just can't stand the fact that a woman would dedicate herself to make men happy and that's the root of the seething

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>a culture that pushes for your oshi to be feminine, a joy to be around, and for self-improvement, as well as discovering new talents of hers
The only "people" that hate this are communists and gutter trash roasties that have fucked up their lives and have a massive crab in the bucket syndrome

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>>69238922
because it's just jap celebrity culture but more depressing and with more sexual favors behind the scenes

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>>69239356
>The only "people" that hate this are communists and gutter trash roasties that have fucked up their lives and have a massive crab in the bucket syndrome
So the vast majority of western terminally online internet users? Figures

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>JP Idol culture is a subculture of western 50's Idol culture.
>JP idol culture is a subculture of both JP Idol culture and western boys/girls band culture
>Both are SUB cultures meaning they are inferior to the original.
>The west moved on from these old and backward culture the Asians still cling on it.
It's like where a fad that happened 30 years ago is going viral in some third world country.

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I also enjoy idol culture. I just think that I disagree with others on what idol culture is.

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As long as both Idols and fans stay professional about it.

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>>69239004
this
/vt/'s "idol culture" is like a cargo cult

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>>69238979
You make a good point

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>>69239960
>>The west moved on from these old and backward culture the Asians still cling on it.
because what we have now is so much better, right?

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>>69238922
I just like to watch cute anime girls stream video games. And if they sing that's just a bonus

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>>69238922
idol culture is good because it insulates the hobby from the political manias consuming the world around it

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>>69239960
Are you autistic? It's a subclassification. Has nothing to do with value.

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>>69239960
I'd rather take this so called old and backward culture than whatever whorefest we have in Hollywood right now

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>>69241177
>Women shouldn't be allowed to have sex

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>>69241273
No they are allowed to have sex with other women (as long as it is not a butch lesbian, that is not hot)

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>>69238922
I like most of idol culture, but I don't like it when schizos get triggered over small shit and try to hurt people.

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>>69238922
It's neat but it can and will lead to schizos gathering like flies with their retarded and unrealistic expectations like having the girls veil virgins, being single for the rest of their lives or not being in contact with other males yet go ape shit insane when they find out they were in relationships.

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>>69238922
yeah, singing, dancing, and cheering people up is fine.

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>>69241422
They are not unrealistic, its just that women cant even do the bare minimum.

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>>69238922
Idol culture is good, if the company is black they'll exploit the talents regardless, like in Niji, the idea that something is bad because it can be done badly is just what westerners, "that know totally more than those damn weebs", think because they watched a ten minute video on what has happened to idols while forgetting about what happens to celebrities everywhere else on the world.

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>>69239960
I really hate progressives like you who always see [current thing] as superior to everything in the past just because it csme later.

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>>69240844
Lmao if you live in a fantasy world then yes. Sorry but this retarded idea of "my oshis are PURE and don't talk about le politics" is fucking stupid, people will always be petty and retarded and there will always be some stupid ass drama. Your supposed insulation is nothing but a weak film that your mind created to try to hide the truth that your oshis are whores.

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>>69241273
Actual retard

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>>69238922
I like hololive. I don't really give a shit about idols. I watch streams and buy merch from my oshi, but skip concerts and karaoke. In the end I'm simply not informed enough to judge idol culture.

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>>69241548
It's just anime girls, anon.

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>>69241626
>but skip concerts and karaoke
maybe vshojo or nijisanji is more your taste

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>>69238922
I agree

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>>69241508
>Being loveless and completely alone for the sake of people you don't know is the bare minimum

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>>69238922
I prefer girls chatting and playing games to dancing and recording albums. Idol culture means less stream time and a more distant oshi. The no males thing is pretty cool, though.

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>>69239960
What?
There were western idols in the 50s?

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>>69241805
You cannot be friends with your oshi either way, anon. It's for the best.

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>>69241805
I actually like Suisei's way of posting their concert practice progress during Hoshimatic Project

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>>69241976
Just because that's true doesn't mean I don't want her to *feel* kinda like my friend.

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>>69241422
>Just fake it for 2 hours a day 4 times a week and be a millionaire
>The catch is that you're a woman
Yeah seems pretty imposible.

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>>69238922
i think you are cool and good, op

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>>69241626
>Watch hololive
>Skip concerts
Niji or Phase is more your taste sis

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>>69241422
oh but it's okay to sell Valentine's merch and toy marriage rings and then spend that money on condoms, Idols are truly paragons of virtue

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>>69238922
Daisenpai is so cute bros

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>>69242592
These two are very cool and good, shame that Rushia had to graduate.

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>>69241422
Bud if you don't like that kind of audience just don't tap into that market, it's that simple. People like Suisei never engage that demographic so she have the highground of denying that kind of expectations. I'm all on shitting on 'le schizos' but let's not pretend that the girls who sells dakis or pseudo engagement rings aren't part of the problem

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>>69238922
I can't fuck the idols

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>>69238922
It attracts unhinged psychos

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>>69243045
POST TITS

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>>69241422
>unrealistic expectations like having the girls veil virgins, being single for the rest of their lives or not being in contact with other males yet go ape shit insane when they find out they were in relationships
Only while they claim to be idols and on the idol journey. There's a reason it's called 'graduation' when someone decides to move on with their life and get married so on and so forth.

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>>69239004
Unfortunately this board idea of Idol Culture is console wars but with Vtubers and there's also the cancerous "Unicorn" vs Anti unicorn circlejerk.

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>>69242874
>aren't part of the problem
oh fuck off.
pseudo is the keyword here, merch like that it's like buying overpriced popcorn in the theaters, or paying for a tourist attraction, or while in a foreign country buying a shiny rock a peddler told you is magical.
You play along, and later you look at it and go "heh".
Taking any of it seriously is complete schizo behavior

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>>69243220
EOPs don't know why the terminology is the way it is, they just accept it.

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>>69242385
Sorry pal already have an oshi. Phase are eigo shitters (I don't care about there new JP gen). I love my oshi and like her friends. I like Hololive.

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>>69241805
You should watch fleshtuber whores on twitch instead methinks

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>>69238983
>dislikes idol culture
that makes you a woman though, only a woman would oppose other women being forced into being likable

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>>69238922
It’s creepy and preys on vulnerable neets.

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>>69238922
I think so to. I don't know why we can't have spaces both for idol culture and lewd culture. I don't really understand why some people insist there can only be one.

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>>69244398
>lewd culture
you can say porn addiction here

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It really bothers me that this nonsense with nijiEN has ANYTHING to do with idols or idol culture. The livers themselves don't consider themselves idols. They have even done a concert or even been in one.

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>>69244423
Lewd culture isn't just stuff like chatturbate. I mean people like Marine or Lamy as well. Sometimes I like a bit of lewd myself but often I stick to the seiso ones.

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>>69243885
nta that's just cope, you are trying to justify heartless business practices, normal people are not interested in that kind of merch in the first place.

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>>69238922
Idol culture is like stoner culture or religion, it's a nice little community of people who enjoy the same thing with it's own little quirks, activities and customs. It's good for the most part but will always have bad apples or toxic parts.
People outside the culture who rally against it should, for the most part, just ignore it and o something more productive with their time, there's plenty of hunger and homelessness in the world that they could be alleviating if they didn't spend all day campaigning against a mostly harmless hobby.
On the flip-side, there are those within the culture who are all too happy to maximise the most toxic aspects of it, who feel that such behaviour is 'gatekeeping' against perceived threats from outside. They'll spend more time engaging in these hatful activities instead of focusing on what brought the to the culture in the first place be it fun, entertainment, relaxation or a sense of community.
I myself indulge in Idol culture occasionally, I enjoy Holofes and other concerts but I don't go all in as it would wear down my enjoyment of it to do so, I'll never rally against people who take it more seriously than I do but I will suggest to people both inside and outside of any particular culture that as long as no one is coming to harm we should all simply live and let live.

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>>69238922
I'm a dumb jealous bitch and m*n are scum of the earth (except when they're hot and/or collab with women), so naturally I disagree

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>>69239004
Wow, the astroturf looks pretty nice. Good job.

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Listen you little shits, I'm an internet expert on idol culture and I'm telling you and I'm not just repeating what I saw someone else say here you don't understand real idol culture. These girls understand it better than you and you should accept what they do and continue to SC, buy memberships, pay for merch, and go to concerts without questioning.

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>>69244620
>heartless business practices
most chuubas have fun with the roleplay, and most the audience simply plays along, all parts understand it's just harmless fun.
Schizos who just take it seriously should just drop dead and if you fall for chuubas that are clearly insane from day one that's your own damn fault.

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>>69245272
this but unironically

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>>69239004
Idol culture=stop taking dick from random dudes while you're larping as a pure virgin uwu girl.

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>>69238979
Fpbp

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>>69238922
Idol culture is just a celebration of millionaires who are mediocre at everything they do. What makes idols worth following is the journey, and you can't experience that anymore with current Hololive.

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>>69238922
>pro
it's Japanese
>contra
it's Japanese

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is it possible to have western idol culture with it's own ideals?

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>>69245649
Boybands and faggots like Justin Bieber were a thing. Japanese normies probably think the same way about idols there.

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>>69245334
Again, "most" people don't buy pseudo engagement rings, normal people are not the target audience and you are feign ignorance

[Anonymous No.]

segregating the genders wins again inshallah

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>>69238922
"idol culture" refers not just to the basic restrictions surrounding the public image of idols, but the background business model that exploits them and the consumer base that tacitly accepts those practices.

We're talking real underaged idols being cut off from their families and caregivers and then coerced into gravure modelling. We're talking about widespread sexual abuse and the gating of career progression behind romantic and sexual favours. We're talking about exploitative and often downright illegal contracts that seek to control every aspect of a talent's personal life. We're talking about revenue sharing agreements that offer the talent little to no pay for their work. We're talking backroom connections to organized crime and pipelines to sex work.
We're talking widespread coercion, exploitation and abuse of girls as young as 12.

When we talk about idol culture, we talk about the pervading opinion among the fans and supporters of the industry that these things are okay, acceptable and should be ignored so that the industry can continue to package and sell their Onions Pink. We're talking about a decadent moral complacency and malicious indifference characteristic of Japanese culture.

When people use the term in the vtubing sphere, they're deliberately drawing a comparison between vtubers fans and those glitterati cannibals, drawing attention to the absurdity that the former often attempts to deliberately imitate the latter or is otherwise simply content with the same degree of malicious indifference. It's a cult of compulsive, empty largesse and blind consumerism thirsty for the charnel of a brightly-coloured human abattoir.

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>>69245388
>Idol culture=stop taking dick from random dudes
Idol culture is being forced to take dick from managers and business partners
>>69245834
This anon gets it.

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>>69245834
there are bad actors in every entertainment industry.

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>>69238922
I just hate the fans when they act retarded. I think wotagei is pretty cool though.

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>>69245834
...hot

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Genuine cancer mori was right.
Holo is nowhere near as bad as real idol shit but it's a blight on the person involved and involves massed cuckoldry.
Holo has the best system.
Homos fuck off (for the most part)
Girls keep their RM and PL away.
Everyone is happy.

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>>69245942
No, neither of you get it because you're seething roasties.

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>>69245172
YWNBW

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>>69246541
I'm a boy (male) anon.

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>>69238922
explain to me what idol culture is op

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>>69246687
Simply put : Work harder win more.
Who is a concept that will make seethe gen Z roasties to no end.
Mostly because it come with : not bothering with love life because it distraction that make you work less, your hobbies and free time is dedicated to work.
And fucking retard don't realise that almost every single human who succeded out of the ordinary in the history of mankind had to go throught this.

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>>69245834
This happens in South K*rea, not Japan
Also you write like a twitter SJW

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>>69245649
Backstreet Boys

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>>69247490
It's been happening in Japan since before South Korea even had an idol industry.

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>>69246639
Hot

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>>69245834
That's a cute opinion, did your favorite YouTuber give it to you?

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>>69247490
>Also you write like a twitter SJW
lmao nobody on twitter is that eloquent, least of all the ESS JAY DUBYAS

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>>69241548
Lol, this loser 2view oshi got groom.

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>>69238979
yes, niggers try to ruin idol culture

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>>69240547
Western culture that promotes depravity and hyper sexualization is garbage but idol culture isn't that much better. They have skimpy outfits, jiggling boobs, business yuri, coomerbait dakis, and swimsuit concerts. The only reason that idol companies seem more wholesome is because they coomerbait less than Hollywood.

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Name a group from Japan or you don't know what real idol culture means.

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>>69248911
hololive

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>>69238922
I agree. Both the idols and their fans are satisfied in normal course of their work. It's attention seeking thots and parasocial schizoids who ruin it for everyone else.

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>>69238922
Go white girl go

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>>69238922
Perfect Blue was 27 years ago

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>>69238922

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Cool? Sure. Good? Idk. Good for you maybe? Good and bad in this sense is subjective.

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>>69238922
It's a predatory industry made to drain NEET incels out of their parent's money that they needed for food and rent that they'll instead give to old men in suits by simply dangling a pretty face in front of them. Idols are bait and the audience are fish waiting to be cooked.

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>>69248911
everyone knows AKB48

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>>69249146
Please be bait

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>>69238922
I too think it's cool and good. There's something special and unique about the relationship between an idol and her fans. Something that you can't get anywhere else.

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>>69249213
Not my problem

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>>69241718
Yes

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>>69238922
sex with sora sex with sora

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>>69239960
>old bad

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>>69239960
Name an up and coming "celebrity" in the West? If you can, you googled it or you're a terminally online woman. The movie Star is dead. The rock star is dead. There's a reason the most famous musician in America is someone who started twenty years ago.

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>>69241718
most young men can do it, so why can't women?

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>>69241422
how is that unrealistic?

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>>69241647
>>69242385
>no, you have to like these women's mediocre singing!

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>>69241718
It's not about being alone, it's about lying to get those sweet simp bux

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>>69245834
You're scattering pearls before swine, anon. Good writeup, though.

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>>69242640
That wouldn't be happening if there weren't retards desperate enough to believe a some girl they have had 0 real life interaction with aside from probably seeing them at a concert with over 2k people or at the hand shake events will fall madly in love with them and they will get married eventually, specially when there's thousands of other schizos like him believing the same.

>>69242874
Like the other guy, that wouldn't be happening if the number of retards weren't that many, if there's no market for it companies won't be selling them and also remember most of the times the companies are the ones making the girls sell those things.

>>69243220
If you have seen how the idol industry is you should know they believe that once they graduate they will remain "pure" or that they are leaving their job to marry them yet fell "surprised" when they find out that they are getting married to either they producers, some random band member or some person involved in the industry and for vtuber idols is worst because while companies tell them to say they are single many of them have been confirmed to either have had a partner before or currently have a partner.

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>>69247163
you can work hard and still not produce great results.

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>>69241718
>ugh, just because I work at mcdonalds doesnt mean Im going to take your order you incel, I dont even know you, so stop being so entitled!
If anyone treated their job like women treat vtubing, they would be fired immediately.

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>>69245834
Sounds like I need to move to Japan and become an idol manager

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>>69250174
that's not actually in their job description, though.

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>>69241718
Idols are basically nuns of the entertainment industry, yes
Nothing wrong with that

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>>69250103
that just means you’re talentless, incompetent or dysgenic

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>>69250278
How do you expect to get donations and support
to the point its viable, then? Theres only so many cucks out there you know.

[Anonymous No.]

The sperging over males being remotely in the vicinity of the idol should be ended, otherwise, yeah idol culture is pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69250639
t. maletuber
Fuck off, creep. We know what you are doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69248911
Momoiro Clover Z

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>>69239004
Yeah it sucks idols are really cool

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>>69238922
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>>69242592
Yes and idol culture kept people from knowing for years
Shit works

[Anonymous No.]

>>69251316
>years
Their marriage only lasted months like all celebrities.

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>>69251316
In my days we called that pimpin

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>>69251316
>Yes and idol culture kept people from knowing for years
>Shit works
Newfag people were rrating about these two fucking before Rushia was Rushia. Their opsec was incredibly bad, they just had fangirls/boys who were desperate to believe they weren't together.

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>>69245956
Yea, the anon is trying to paint it like this problem pertains only to idol culture.

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>>69251875
No shit idiot
Just keeping it unofficial is enough to keep the 95% sheeple oblivious

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>>69238922
I'm not a jealous whore so I can't

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>>69252237
Damn nigga you gotta work to miss the point this hard

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>>69252248
>sheeple

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>>69242385
>>69241647
no, most Nijis aren't as funny as Hololive's best.

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>>69241647
>nijisanji is more your taste
Huh?
https://files.catbox.moe/pgzl0r.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

Just about everyone who backed NijiEn did so out of hate and spite and resentment for Hololive and its idol culture (even for as unique as that is). Was it worth it?