The unbiased truth about all of this:

[Anonymous No.]

>Selen was not good to work with and did indeed go over Niji's annoying ass bureaucracy because she was too ambitious for her own good
>NijiEN management is still dogshit for showing clear favorites, and even if Selen was not easy to work with it does not excuse the poor management that stressed her to the point she tried an hero
>NijiEN PR has shown insane incompetence and will take a while to recover from this, especially by trying to smear Selen during their termination notice and also the absolutely retarded Elira stream
>Dokibird ends up "winning" the public perception of everything because on her own words wanted to keep this private and just move on
>NijiEN management is probably just talents and that's why stuff that would make no sense for a PR team to do is approved, because they are the PR team
>Dokibird wants to move on, and Nijisanji should also do that from now on if they want to stop this PR disaster
>There will probably be no court case as it would be in the best interest of both parties to avoid an international lawsuit which is always terrible to be on

[Anonymous No.]

I can see the narrative shift from "Selen bad" to "both sides bad" in real time lol

[Anonymous No.]

A rrat thread died for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161261
Cuz she cut off the drama fags from the tender center

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
>too ambitious
Hi slut! Been sucking any good cocks lately?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
Spamming won't make me dislike selen it only makes me hate niji more

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
>unbiasded truth
>this stupid NDF bullshit
not even trying

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161261
They've clearly lost the PR war and just trying to stem the bleeding at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161350
0 reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161461
that's basically a tldr of this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161261
It is the final refuge of cowardly retards who know that they’re wrong but don’t want to admit it.

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>>69161205
>Selen was not good to work with

expect for the fact multiple third partys came forward saying the exact opposite, the very first thing you say is a lie so I'm not even going to bother with the rest.

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>>69161261
People are so scared of getting typecast into a group to realize they don't have to try to fence sit every conflict ever.
At least the Niji supporters have a reason to their insane defense of their faves. OP using the fact that nobody is perfect to "both sides bad" things, as if any of it is comparable in any way, just seems insane. A thread died for this

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>>69161205
>she was too ambitious for her own good
Wtf does that even mean?

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>>69161734
>A thread died for this
It was probably attempting to shit on Doki tho, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161718
she wasn't good to work with for nijisanji, not for the 3rd parties involved on her projects

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161463
0 agitprop skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161830
Then that's the nijisanji's fault only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
>NijiEN management is still dogshit for showing clear favorites, and even if Selen was not easy to work with it does not excuse the poor management that stressed her to the point she tried an hero

I highly doubt this is the sole cause of the attempt. Just going off from what Vox and Doki said. Also, if poor management was the cause it probably would've taken its toll much earlier and on other livers as well.

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>>69161779
nijisanji couldn't handle her wanting to be an actually good and hard working talent that requires real, proper management and not just clique larping as management

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161830
the same nijisanji that refused to pay artist and made selen do it? yeah i think nijisanji was the one who was hard to work with

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161830
all evidence seems to suggest that it's actually nijisanji EN that's hard to work with, rather than selen.

[Anonymous No.]

Doki probably now buying bots to trend #positivespam bullshit and frame Anycolor further. All because lawyers told her to shut her trap, but being menhera she can't stop herself.
Disaster will go on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161892
agreed, still the fact of the matter is, for nijisanji, she was a hard talent to work it

[Anonymous No.]

I knew it Hololive is Heaven, Niji is hell and 4chan is Guilty Gear series

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161902
Other lives have consistent expressed how shit niji's management was after leaving, with pink roach explicitly calling out how shit the environment was overall if you were even mildly successful as OTHERS in the branch saw that as an attack instead of cheering them on and everyone helping each other.
sage goes in the options field

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>>69161923
You don't say "for her own good" then. For nijisanji yes, but not for herself.

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>>69161261
The opportunity for "both sides bad" to be the leading narrative was squashed the moment Niji decided to frame it as a firing rather than a mutual departure for any reason other than "Selen and management have ran into continuous disagreements". People would probably still side with Selen because we've seen a pattern of people leaving for similar reasons of management limiting their potential (Nina and Pomu) and she was probably the most dedicated to staying despite so many projects falling apart, but at least there'd probably be more impassioned discussions about it. Not so much anymore.

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>>69161987
niji is hard to work with if you are no in the clique, which is basically the "culture" inside it, probably. You either are in the retard clique or you are gonna get your balls drained until you start cumming blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161261
It's just NDF bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161902
>it probably would've taken its toll much earlier and on other livers as well.
Yugo, Mysta, Zaion, Nina.

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>>69161830
More like it's not good to work with Niji for everyone at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161317
why would you assume your mother is on /vt/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69162003
>Doki forced Selen, Vox and Ike at gunpoint to make that statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>69162059
yeah fair enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>69162123
Pomu and Kyo jumped too, but ater.

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>>69161205
Hololive is a well oiled machine filled with happy little cogs.

NijiEN is some Orc contraption which chugged along purely by the force of make believe. As Livers left the all out WAARGH, the psychic field lost too much strength to hold it together.

Doki did nothing (NOTHING) wrong and NijiEN should burn down with all of the talents involved in this fucking disaster.

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>>69162159
>Selen
Elira, I mean.

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>>69162222
Doki wanted to be a good talent in a company in which it's culture is do the least amount of work and get the most amount of cash. Just in a business sense, Selen was the "problem" for the company. In a bigger picture, Nijisanji is a dogshit company that doesn't deserve hard workers in it.

[Anonymous No.]

Forgot the bit about her success post getting fired causing them to start seething because they expected it to go the same way as Sayu. Which is what led to Elira's decision to do the stream where she basically admits to being one of the bullies alongside Millie and Ena but yes, pretty much.

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>>69162034
>with pink roach explicitly calling out how shit the environment was overall if you were even mildly successful as OTHERS in the branch saw that as an attack
I am 99% sure she never said that, show the clip

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>>69162222
Checked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69162312
forgot about it, yeah

[Anonymous No.]

If she was so bad to work with, why did people she worked with come out and say she went out of her way

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>>69161261
Yeah it's gray fallacy

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>>69162034
Honestly, I can’t think of a single ex-niji chuuba who doesn’t have at least one moment of them gushing over how great their new manager is for doing basic things that you would expect a manager to be responsible for, like organizing the logistics for a project.

[Anonymous No.]

I smell discord sisters

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>>69161205
>because they are the PR team
Riku will have their heads roll for embarrassing him

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>>69162704
pomu
but give it time, it will come out one day

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>>69162753
They've been active for hours, just check the archive for all the deleted threads in the past hour or so along with those
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>>69161261
Troonpost

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>>69162320
said it in debut stream and first stream after.
>i dont want to watch some old vod
alright man, i don't care if you believe me or not
also, hilarious that her debut had a therapy section because her experience in "hollywood" was so traumatizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69162900
>iliterate nigger can't read properly

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>>69161205
>>Selen was not good to work with
According to testimony from people she has directly worked with, this likely isn't true. The fault lies entirely on Niji for its ridiculous red tape and clear favoritism, and their reasons for privating the MV clearly demonstrate this.

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>>69161595
Jon Stewart, Trey Parker & Matt Stone in shambles...

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>>69163023
for niji, selen didn't fit and definitely was hard to work with - she was hard to work with internally because their company culture rewards mediocrity and not hard work, which isn't what Selen was going for
outside of niji she was good to work with because there was no niji

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>>69162237
She forced herself couple of times too, don't know if it was gun or rope.

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>>69161205
>Selen BAD!!!!1!
>Ok niji bad to but selen BAD!!!!1!
>Niji not bad because evil, bad because silly!
>Selen was BAD! but she now alright
>Both sides were bad so we should forgive & forget :)))))!1!
ftfy

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>>69161205
Are we already at the bargaining stage? Sad. I figured you sisters would at least have one more day of fight left in you. M'lord is going to be very unhappy with your performance.

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>>69162853
Yeah, but she’s not really a chuuba at the moment, so it’s not like she has a manager that she can use as a point of reference.

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>>69161205
You sound like a jew

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>>69162222
>Hololive is a well oiled machine filled with happy little cogs.
I’m sure shit happens behind the scenes in hololive too HOWEVER management over there is actually COMPETENT and defuse any potential problems in the bud.
I don’t know much but just looking at gura you can tell they made a big effort to make her stay.

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>>69163294
>coworker is a dillweed
>but at least he isn't in charge
hololive in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.]

>>69163294
Well obviously. 2022 was so bad you felt that toxic athmosphere anywhere you go. But as of right now and with the debut of Advent it feels magical again.

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>>69161261
Both are wrong but if we go for a percentage niji still have 80% of the fault

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>>69163507
I’d say doki made an empty threat and nijien shot themselves in the foot with that terrible termination notice. That’s where all of this started.

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>>69161205
>>NijiEN management is probably just talents and that's why stuff that would make no sense for a PR team to do is approved, because they are the PR team

I don't buy this. I think the more probable thing that EN management is just "people management" with no deciding power on their own, so every decision goes to their higher ups, who are Japanese, and doing stuff like any Japanese corporation. And the Japanese higher ups doesn't know that how to handle westerners - because in Japan the boss is always right, and don't know how to handle who think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

So what number of threads are we at now, /vt/? It's like there's a new NDFsisters with the same greentext points every two hours.

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>>69161205
If selen was in holo, she wouldn't have been hard to work with. Look at how many projects people like marine, mori or watame pump out like it's nothing. Lamy marketed her own fucking alcoholic drink.
Nijisanji is terminally lazy and hates hard workers like selen.

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>>69163507
But what did Selen actually do wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69163507
joined the wrong company

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>>69161205
The problem is that NijiEN livers are now all implicated in the scandal, due to the malicious idiocy of the 3 Stooges. If any of them want a career after this, it will be in their best interest to prove their innocence, but that will be impossible without receipts. There are obvious factors keeping them from immediately doing this, but NijiEN has a huge number of livers, and all it takes is ONE to leak everything and set the branch on fire in a desperate attempt to save themselves

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>>69161261
Its because the Anycolor's stock price is dumping with no current signs of recovery, the quarterly financial report is due in March and EN isn't going to be able to justify its existence to shareholders soon, and if Elira's bleeding subcount is and indication, the EN branch just implicated itself in a massive PR disaster that may take months if not actual years to recover from.
NijiEN's interns/livers/cultist fans have no more cards to play besides this, because every attempt to make Selen look bad has progressively made her more and more successful. Its just about lessening the ass pounding that the JP branch is going to give to their EN oshis.

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>>69164269
Didn't you just basically say what OP said tho?

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>>69164427
nta but I personally think OP's post is an accurate summary aside from feeling the need to pin some kind of blame on Selen for no reason other than to apply a veneer of objectivity. and i don't think it's a sister or NDF thing, just a weird compulsion people have to always assume some kind of mutual wrongdoing even when lacking actual evidence for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you OK with working this hard on minimum wage, niji intern?

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>>69164927
>minimum wage
>Implying

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>>69161205
>>There will probably be no court case as it would be in the best interest of both parties to avoid an international lawsuit which is always terrible to be on
That would be the logical thing... however

>> NijiEN management is still dogshit

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>>69164927
Please understand, Niji interns make less money than 7-11 workers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
Well said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
Kill yourself NDF shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161205
another pathetic attempt by NDF

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>>69161205
I wish more people understood that having a lawyer does not always mean lawsuit. I don't think this drama would have blown up if people weren't drooling over the prospect of Doki fleecing Niji lawyers for all the money they have. She is shaken up from this and wanted to turn over a new leaf after airing her grievances via her lawyer. Niji lawyers fed lies to Elira for some reason, scaring them into thinking Doki wanted to doxx them. Elira and co. made the decision to go nuclear which was retarded

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>>69161261
I'm not gonna support Niji. OP is a faggot.

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>>69161205
She submitted her video for final check at the start of the weekend. Even Japanese companies don't run at full capacity over the weekend. Most things are expected to be done before that if you want it completed by Monday. This pushing deadlines to unreasonable limits was probably a common occurrence for her.
Ambition is going too far with the praise. She was at best an Apex streamer with less than 1 million views that wanted to larp occasionally as more than that.
Now she is known as DramaBird because that's her primary contribution to the VTubing industry and what has won her universal acclaim. Moving on is not in the cards even if she wasn't just contradicting herself in the same public statement with that.

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>>69163982
>If selen was in holo, she wouldn't have been hard to work with.
Selen would never have been in Holo. If you were in Holo I bet you would be great but you were never going to be in Holo. There is a reason it was Nijisanji.

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>>69168087
my point is, that holo actually supports their talents with projects instead of hindering them at every step of the way

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>>69163982
>If selen was in holo
she loves playing with males, you would have sent her death threats for that, or for her being chinese, or for her laughing at parasocial dragoons, or for her tryharding at apex, or for her doing collabs with flesh males on twitch, or for any other autistic reason

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>>69168319
I dont do that for towa or kobo, so why are you so sure I would do that for selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>69161294
Please use an image of Fauna that's more than 240p.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69167876
Its a live streaming company, they should have some people on hand 24 seven especially during holidays.

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>>69167876
>she is known as dramabird
by you retarded sisters who are killing any good faith arguments that might be had
but then again this is /vt/ so who cares, go kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>69168353
towa still does idol shit. selen would not indulge in that. shes better off as an indie, really dumb to want her to even be in a jp corpo. shes not even japanese.

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>>69161261
Its a type of damage control, when the realize that they are wrong or their position is unwinnable they try to compromise with "Both sides" when its clear one side is really in the wrong.

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>>69168516
I never said I wanted her in holo, my point was that holo supports their talents unlike niji, the argument of "being hard to work with" falls flat, since it's actually niji that doesn't offer managerial support

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>>69168575
>if selen was in holo
>I never said I wanted her in holo

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>>69168421
No. Even live service and MMO companies power down for the weekend. All perms and everything gets done before the weekend. Most VTubers have their schedules and everything done a week in advance. Submitting it last minute on a weekend and expecting an instant response is taking it too far. It's not a medical emergency, but I guess it did turn into one.

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>>69162307
Like its baffling to me how bad niji was mismanaging all the talent. Like Projects are a way to grow your brand and talent. Yet they didnt want to do the bare minimum like getting names right on contracts.

Makeing your talent do all the leg work along is INSANE. But its clear they simply only wanted to do the leg work for their favs and played favs.

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>>69161205
>the ass that sticks out gets pounded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69168653
>sub 40 iq sister does not understand conditionals

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>>69161205
>Bad to work with.
Nijjers are actually fucking retarded if they think whining about not getting to do EVERY project idea will kill the brand. But somehow 4 bad tweets about the company and she got put on indefinite suspension while trapped in her non-compete contract and running out of money.

So....
FUCK NIJJERS

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>>69167876
Maria got her video perms just fine

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>>69161205
Yeah nice try NijiEN, you're not going to salvage your career with a terrible "neutral" post.
FUCK NIJIEN AND FUCK NIJISANJI

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing I’ll agree with ndfsisters is the mv is not $15k moose worth and selen is pretty terrible with money.
There’s no way and she must be extra nice paying or getting scammed by low tier artists. Even if commercial means 2-3x price, half of the works shown are 100-200 max. So some quick math with commercial rates say 2.5 average for the shitters = 250 x 15 = 3750 or something. No way the other better half artists of the 30 or so total she asked was that much better.

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>>69162575
All the people coming out and admitted she payed them out of pocket cause Anycolor was late with payments was bad for NijiEN. Like everyone she worked with loved working with her and she used her own money to do things for her fans cause she had no help from management. '

You sign up with an agency to get help and resources so you dont have to handle everything by yourself. But the JP managers clearly are like those BIG TECH women that went to work did Yoga did a few emails and went home after doing nothing of value. That is the type of people that are the managers. Do nothing leeches

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>>69168884
If my company is not accustomed to someone actually pushing back on my dogshit policies and wanting to improve their own brand/working conditions/etc, they are hard to work with, even if it's my company culture that is shitty from the outside perspective.

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>>69168260
Absolutely. But Holo talents are also overall professionals or willing to learn. There has always been something that felt wrong with NijiEN that made it feel like amateur hour. Like all that racism drama, and the anti-white stuff, and everything else. It's completely unprofessional, but we can't assume they would be different if they were hired to just be fun and entertaining. Almost nothing that has happened in NijiEN would have happened in HoloEN, neither management nor talents. But we're also conveniently forgetting that they had to deal with terrible branch management for years in HoloEN and for the most part kept their cool until Dimitri Jap took control.

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>>69168575
The other thing is holos constantly bitch and moan about management and the company. Meanwhile niji will apparently attempt to leave you homeless if you say anything bad.

Even Canada values freedom of speech more than bugmen.

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>>69168988
Doki herself said her mom got mad at her for how much money she spent yet everyone glosses over this, she spent so much money she had to borrow some for her tourney, but of course maybe 1% of this board actually watched Doki or Selen

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>>69168988
Bro, to properly pay people for the art work and for editors and music mixers etc.

That is CHEAP. The amount of people she had work on it and the cost are actually way under budget for what she made.

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>>69168887
But did she submit it in the weekend and expect it to get approved on Saturday night or Sunday morning?

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>>69169026
this is a moot point for selen, as she had never been involved in any woke drama. All she did was play games and laugh

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>>69169095
No, it was in the pipeline for a year. And that was just a final check. It had been checked many times prior. Then they made up BS rules that did not exist when the project started.

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>>69169095
She submitted it at a normal time while also getting permission to have Pomu in it + did not spend a gorillion Aussiebucks on 1 single music video

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>>69164020
work for nijisanji, it was an honest mistake

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>>69169102
It isn't a moot point. It's indicative of what NijiEN is like compared to HoloEN. Selen got involved in her own drama. It's the general unprofessional attitude that she shares with other NijiEN that make the difference between her and the talents accepted to HoloEN night and day.

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>>69169068
They have some of the worst types of Japanese BIZ MEN working for them. This is what killed game companies like Konami. This reaks of old out of touch suits that dont actually understand their own product.

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>>69169259
the only ones that are unprofessional are the Niji Managers.

Nothing I have locked over seems unreasonable from Selens side. Actually its shocking just how bad at managing the Niji staff are. They cant even do the basic functions of their job.

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>>69169151
Exactly. She has a year to get it done and submitted it at the last minute during a weekend. This is a bad case of dog ate her homework.
>>69169216
She submitted it at the start of a weekend. An actual black company would have responded any time of the week.

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>>69169259
What kind of drama was she involved in that wasn't management straight up mismanaging her or doing nothing? The attitude artists and other creators have towards her speaks volumes on her professionalism.

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>>69169343
>the only ones that are unprofessional are the Niji Managers.
No, the talents are also bad. None of them are Holo material.

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>>69169068
Is this still happening? I noticed a sharp decrease in complaints about management over the past year or so. But that's likely because they actually brought in better management, not because they're holding their employees at gunpoint

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>refuses to provide evidence, because it would make her look retarded and even more mentally ill
They probably laughed at her APEX skills.

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>>69169417
Clarification: I noticed it happening in Hololive. NijiEN management is unsalvageable.