They're All Black Companies

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>>69126785
I will never forgive cover for cancelling miko's and marine's projects

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>>69126785
another pathetic attempt by NDF

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>>69126968
So true sister, Miko seems so happy in Hololive these days

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>>69126785
RIP Vesper Noir, beloved autist vampire

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>>69126785
Missing Production Kawaii

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>>69127433
I liked that guy he was funny.

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>>69127289
/thread

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What has Vshojo done to be considered a black company?

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>>69126785
sister...

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>>69127433
>Terminated homo
Hololive is white company

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>>69126785
It clearly says that they aren't a black company, anon.

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>>69128422
They sell coffee. It doesn't get much blacker than that.

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>>69127983
Ukraine and Amazon links.

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>>69128204
why are their still holostars then

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>>69127983
Froot openly supported the tranny murder mob that went after Silvervale for playing the Wizard Game. In any other company that would be instant termination, but Silver was the one that had to leave Vshoujo.

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>>69127983

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>>69126785
You shouldn't use terms whose meanings you don't understand. It makes you look like a retard, faggot.

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>>69127533
You can still watch him.

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>>69128646
?

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>>69127983
Didn't they hide the fact that phishing emails were going around impersonating them, which led to a bunch of people being doxxed? And then they went after the guy who broke the news and warned everyone it was happening?

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>>69129097
Shut your fucking mouth. You won't do anything.

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>>69126785
Let's all stand up and clap for OP's bravery, such a powerful message

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This reminds me how sick phase’s logo is

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>>69129168
I almost forgot about that shit

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>>69126785
Not a single one of them has a black person so you are incorrect

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>>69127983
>no wizard game
>Nux scaldal
and a lot of shit that no one want to mention
Vshojo is worse than phase connect

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>>69129610
You're shaking. Sweating. Laugh it off while you can.

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>>69130214
Phase connect is secretly better than all of them. This is the secret esoteric knowledge that nobody wants you to know

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>Kawaii suspiciously absent from this image

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>>69130475
>This is the secret esoteric knowledge that nobody wants you to know
Like what ? Pippa's realm of moldy food ?

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>>69126785
Every single company that has ever existed is a black company

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>>69126785
Great because I only buy from Black businesses on Black history month

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>>69130604
Thv mvld wvll svt yvv frvv…

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>>69130604
Know who also eats mold? They should collab

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>>69130757
Fuck off

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>>69130214
>no wizard game
That's Hololive. Vshoujo had a handful of members play it and the shitstorm was category 1. See >>69128728, and as I recall Wizard Game is also the reason Froot made the 1 like = $1.00 to charity tweet that she never actually made the donation for.

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>>69126785
If you seriously think most of these are black company you need to reassess what a black company exactly is because "sometimes it sucks to work here" is not a black company

Like Holo actually seems to support their talents even if I don't agree with the way they handle scandals. And Vshojo allowing them to take their IP with them with they leave is the opposite of a black company

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>>69130825
Moco-chan and Pippa collab would be a hilarious train wreck, it would be the most kino collab in the history of vtubing

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>>69130521
Isn't Kawaii dead? Akio Air and Wactor are also missing, even though Wactor is trying to reincarnate.

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>>69130847
VeeShouJou le bad, amirite fellow catalogsissy

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>>69130847
Tell me you’re an EOP without telling me.

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This is only tangentially related, can someone please explain to me how anyone can rationalize and justify management for a talent agency having the authority to kill projects and thereby basically delete money out of their talent's bank accounts?
Perms are whatever, it's definitely autistic, but internal perms and authorization flows are just an excuse for people in the agency to financially abuse their contractors. They legitimately expect people who are legally under their employ to fund their own projects, while receiving no salary, while retaining the right to put a stop to anything at zero notice. That's just theft with extra steps, they're stealing the money out of the talent's pockets.
Who the fuck is making excuses for this and how can they do it?

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>>69127289
spbp

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>>69131611
Only Nijisanji is known to do this and anyone defending them at this point is doing it to piss someone off.

Usually, when other company's do it, you can at least cope that it's because the project was bad or key people(e.g. animators, music producers) abandoned it, or it was bad PR or something.

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>>69131611
They get around it all by labelling as an "Agency".
What's an agency? That's the point.

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>>69130847
>no wizard game
>That’s Hololive
Except various members from both ID and JP played it, you could say EN didn’t, which is true.
>VShoujo had a handful of members
1
And for the post you responded, and the whole situation, it is the whole thing they have been proudly displaying, talent freedom. That includes fucking it up, Silvervale was warned of the risk that it might be to play the game as much as the other members, Veibae being one that actually listened. Froot was also on her right to make that tweet, they are free to do so. Nothing but Silvervale decision to not sign her contract let to her leaving the group, she simply had no reasons to stay and did as such, no black company work there, they did as promoted, give her freedom to do as such, whether /vt/, Twitter, fandoms or causal viewers might have their opinion on.

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>>69130521
>>69131191
Kawaii is only considered black because some talents left on their own and 2 got fired for the breach of contract.
Lefty brainwashed twitter faggots will call any corpo black even if one talent gets fired for legit reasons, which happened to Neena and Oceane in Kawaii.
Notice how some corpos had girls that were sexually harassed but are not called black, while kawaii is called black and they never harassed any talent, threatened them or scam them off of their earned money. If you fell for the "Nene le evil Queen behind the scenes" rrats from /here/ than that's your own fault.

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>>69126785
Vshojo is a good company.

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>Corpos GOOD when they come in and lay out the ground work for grifter whores to earn good money as indies
>Once that happens, all corpos are BAD!!!

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>>69132551
Froot's tweet was nothing to do with the wizard game, there was a high profile murder of a trans teenager in the UK around that time.

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>>69132664
>Kawaii is only considered black because some talents left
At that point they had more retired than active talents.
The only reason you're getting away with your corpo bootlicking mostly undisturbed over there is because Kawaii is too small for people to actually care.

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>>69132551
No one in hololive was allowed to play the game. JP and ID are irrelevant, nobody cares about them or watches them as we saw in the vtuber awards.

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>>69126968
>>69127415
>I will never forgive Cover for deleting the rapetape that Miko was about to post and tardwrangle the 2 soon-to-be lovers

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>>69130825
Nijiseethe

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>>69130214
I hear it mentioned all the time though? Are you just retarded?

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>>69126785
They aren't black (at least not all of them), but they are ripping off their talents more than people would like to admit. That's why Critical (penguinz0) doesn't like vtubers corpos in general, he's been in the game for longer than any vtuber corpo has so he knows what a good contract is and what isn't.

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>>69133366
Wait holy fuck is that—

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>>69126785
Nah. Hololive looks white as fuck after all this. As for the other companies they aren't Hololive so they might as well not exist.

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>>69132971
>there was a high profile murder of a trans teenager in the UK around that time
Good, we need more of those.

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>>69126785
Nice try Elira.
You guys make Wactor look gray.

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The Japanese equivalent to Glassdoor has reviews of Cover claiming that talent have a lot of power over managers and support staff and they can basically end a manager's job with one word to executives.

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>>69133366
You know, she's pretty cute when she's not talking.

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Which are blacked companies?

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>>69133628
Unsurprising. They ARE the money makers.

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>>69133366
HOLYSHIT

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>>69133628
Low level managers and staff are just errand people.

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>>69129168
Two total confirmed recipients of the email, only one fell for it
The other was Nux, who compromised the investigation by making it public too soon despite being told repeatedly it was a bad idea

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>>69133628
That's how it should be. The talents aren't there to keep the managers happy.

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>>69133915
It wasn't just the lowest level but middle managers complaining about the open door policy executives have for talent.

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>>69133944
adding that the person who was affected was reached out and had nothing to say other than that, so it doesn't matter anymore.

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>>69129168
>And then they went after the guy
They did. The doxxer then taunted Nux when he claimed he "caught him". So yea, he was retarded.

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>>69128728
This is 100% pure rratery
Froot didn't do anything, and Silver never said anything about the HL shitshow when she left (which happened nearly two months after the fact)

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>>69133308
Pax Hamburgana....

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>>69130847
>Wizard Game is also the reason Froot made the 1 like = $1.00 to charity tweet
Because of the timing it's more likely to have been a response to the murder of a trans girl that had happened in the UK like the day before

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>>69127983
The fake audition bullshit they pulled was pretty fucked up.

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>>69134109
After having had it patiently explained to him exactly how they were leading him on, dude's a dimwit.

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>>69127983
Invade Smite with their stupid skins

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>>69133827
Phase connect, they literally sell black coffee. Literally the blackest of coffee companies

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>>69128422
>no boys allowed
X

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>>69133944
>>69134109
And now Nux has fucked off to normie space and essentially painted himself like a martyr to the general woman bad crowd. Nux is like the retard NDF who thought making hit pieces actually solves problems.

Who know the clout scumsucker was a scumsucker.

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>>69134109
Found the video in the archives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa0tdecwz84&t=38s

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>>69126785
NDF really isn't sending their best if this and another typical raid on /shig/ is all they've got. Enjoy the dead cat bounce, Nijikeks, your EN branch is doomed.

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>>69133827
Phase connect, a couple of their girls make alot of BBC jokes from what i've heard

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>>69134193
The tweets are archived and it hasn't been nearly long enough to memory hole anyone that was even casually into vtubing at the time. Unless you're just trying to convince everyone that three talents, including the harassment victim, just happened to all leave at the same time, right before the Paladins collab featuring their characters launched.

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>>69134486
Yuri was a girl, anon

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>>69127983
They didn't acknowledge dokibird existance.

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>>69134354
that shit was like a week prior and wasn't even a major news story, events align much more closely with the silvervale hogwarts shit

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>>69134717
Only one did, and it was a coffee joke

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>VOMS is a black company
You don't even know who this is.

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>>69134717
Actually it's dog fucking that Phase girls joke about.

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>>69134721
>The tweets are archived
Which tweets? Froot never tweeted anything about HL, much less in relation to Silver.

>>69134824
>wasn't even a major news story
It was for the trans and trans-ally community, especially those in the UK (where Froot lives)

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>>69126785
Where is Mythic?? (i actually dont know what their symbol looks like)

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>>69134717
Mori isn't in Phase

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>>69133944
>too soon
So he should have waited until there were more victims? Is that the angle you want to take here?

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>>69134354
Did she ever actually donate that money?

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>>69133827
PeQora is a snow bunny

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>>69135071
She's still in a goth phase.

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>>69134928
Remember that Henya still hasn't said a negative word about them, and still considers them friends. Unlike her colleagues formerly from a CERTAIN black company.

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>>69127415
Kys cover scum

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>>69135338
That could just be Henya being too nice for this world.

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>>69135107
>yes let's tell the criminal we're looking for him, and how we're doing it, so that he has a better chance of evading us
This ain't rocket science buddy
Not to mention the group that did it fed Nux false info, which he blindly believed, and then uploaded a video gloating about it

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>>69134928
Shut the fuck up newfag

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>>69135338
>Unlike her colleagues formerly from a CERTAIN black company.
Just say her name: kson

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>>69135568
The future is now, faggot

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>>69134978
>It was for the trans and trans-ally community, especially those in the UK (where Froot lives)
Nah, I don't buy it, literally noone at the time thought froot was tweeting about brianna ghey and the hogwarts drama was fucking radioactive at the time, esp in vtuber circles and it involved a close colleague of hers. Hell the media didn't even push the murder as an anti-trans thing much initially, that happened later down the line when lefties started retconning it (until eventually it came out that it was just done by homicidal retards for basically no reason).

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>>69135510
Sorry, I think protecting innocent people is more important than catching criminals. I don't give a fuck about Nux or whether he tried to use it to promote himself. Yes, that makes him an asshole, but he didn't matter to begin with. The issue is that when you know there is a threat to the public, you should fucking inform the public. Imagine knowing that there was a credible bomb threat and not informing the public because you wanted to catch the bomber in the act.

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>>69134959
>joke

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>>69135815
>I think protecting innocent people is more important than catching criminals.
Do you think before you speak?

Fact of the matter is, per the DMs which were made public, we know these to be the facts
>VShojo was aware of the problem
>law enforcement was involved
>the police recommended VShojo to keep things quiet while the investigation unfolded
>this message was relayed to Nux multiple times
Nux is not a hero and he was not acting with noble intention. He's a clout-starved retard who disregarded the advice of law enforcement and endangered an investigation for views.
The only reason to defend his actions in this is if you have an existing bias against VShojo and desperately need to claim them at fault here.
The truth is that he was not helping, and in fact made it worse.

>comparing phishing to a bomb threat
You really are stupid, huh?

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>Mythic not included
>people signed under Night Media, who also run Mythic, are batting for Doki
Way to give the game away.

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>>69136433
>VShojo was aware of the problem
Great.
>law enforcement was involved
Also great.
>the police recommended VShojo to keep things quiet while the investigation unfolded
This is fucking stupid.
>this message was relayed to Nux multiple times
I don't give a shit. I don't care about who Nux is, or his motivations for making it public. I care that a genuine threat to the public was hidden from said public. That's it. There's no other angle to look at because no other angle matters. If the police can't catch a criminal while also protecting the public, then they are incompetent. Nevertheless, public safety comes first. Full stop.
>comparing phishing to a bomb threat
Not in severity you moron. It's the same concept of someone knowing about a threat that could harm a lot of people and then sitting on their hands not preventing it from hurting said people.

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>>69137074
>This is fucking stupid.
You a cop? Are you familiar with cybersecurity protocol?

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>>69126785
>BUT WHAT ABOUT HOLOLIVE
nye

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>>69137130
I don't need to be an officer of the law to have ethics. Do you?

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>>69131611
>you can do this project but we don't have the resources to finance it, and we may have to cancel it
>ok, I'm going to spend out of pocket for it

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>>69133190
>corpo bootlicking
Ok so Hana joined, and quit on her own very shortly after. Same with Aruru that barely even streamed after kawaii. Aruru saw that streaming full time under all corpo restrictions (especially autistic JP corpo rules) is not for her. Hana left because she had different plans and I think there was some issue with JP visa because she wanted to keep living there and I guess kawaii couldn't provide her a working visa or something. Those are 2 non issue non black corpo reasons for quitting.
Neena wanted to quit and pull her paypigs with her on her indie account. Corpo found out and canned her.
Oceane got caught having a little doxxer discord army that were attacking ALL of the kawaii girls via chats. They would spam doxx shit and PL shit so all girls had to switch chats to members only mode for quite a while. Oceane got fired eventually.
Gen 3 left because the management was understaffed and barely did anything. I agree with them leaving if they saw that their career in kawaii is not going anywhere but that is not a black corpo stuff. People will call literally anything black corpo today because they are hungry for drama.

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>>69134717
There's a reason Hime isn't popular.

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>>69137289
Christ, you're stupid
Any twisted logic to paint the dreaded pink V as the villain, is that it?

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>>69137746
Yeah cause she’s a loser (affectionately)

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>>69134413
Yeah, think of the poor 2 views.
A well liked, well connected large indie like Haruka definitely didn't deserve to get the spot.

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>>69127983
In the last six months Vshojo have caused 3 major dramas at least, but they could not be blamed on the grounds that they are just an Eceleb circle, not a company.

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>>69137805
Sorry you don't understand ethics. I'm tempted to pull the old "I'm rubber, your glue" when you attack me instead of the argument though. For the record, I don't think Vshojo is evil, I just think they mishandled that extremely fucking badly. I'm glad it ended where it did with minimal damage, because it could have been much worse. That's all I've been saying from the start.

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>>69137954
>In the last six months Vshojo have caused 3 major dramas at least
No, they didn't.

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>>69138057
>following the advice of law enforcement is "mishandling" the situation

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>>69137955
i do find it funny when people mald about this, their competition included (at least) haruka, anny, snuffy, giri etc.

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>>69137746
Because she had a stream singing meme songs and took chat requests? And you clipwatched one of them and got super offended by it? You people take everything way too seriously. Fucking horseshoe theory. I hate it.

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>>69138193
>the police always make the best decisions
I wonder if mouse agrees with that. You should ask her.

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>>69134413
What if it wasn't a fake audition and just none of the other people who applied were good enough? Are they supposed to charity hire 4 others so the vtweeters feel good?

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>>69138283
Anon don't take it too seriously, I'm just trying to farm (You)'s.

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>>69138318
I think the police know more about investigating cybercrime than some dipshit on 4chan

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>>69138536
Nice appeal to authority. You done yet?

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>>69138652
As if you haven't been pulling a fallacious argument from the beginning
>well, it just doesn't FEEL right!!

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>>69137518
If you receive no budget, if the corpo doesn't pay for anything, and it STILL wants to claim it has power to make decisions for what you can and cannot do...then they're just taking your money and giving you nothing. They're just a hindrance at that point.

Speaking as someone with a real fucking job, if the company you work for doesn't reimburse you for shit they force you to spend your own money on for the work you do at their company, then they're not a real company, they're scamming you

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>>69138705
>ethics is a fallacy
Yeah you are done.

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>>69138788
Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy just as much as appeal to authority is, yes

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>>69128422
>no boys allowed
And yet fishman is a boy? Curious! I wonder if this ricecel tactic has gotten him laid yet?

If he leaves and there is 100% females only, then I'll watch.

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>>69126785
I think you need your eyes checked.
Only the bottom three are black

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>>69139146
>Ethics are an appeal to emotion
I'm actually feeling sorry for you right now. I mean that genuinely. Please get an education.

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>>69126785
>Cover there twice

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>>69128204
>Ended contract, not terminated
>Has alumni status

This isn't the own you think it is.

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>>69139865
At the end of the day you're arguing that it would be better to disobey the instruction of police in the context of a criminal investigation.
I really shouldn't have to argue why that's wrong.

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>>69140239
And you are arguing that listening to authority is more important than protecting innocent people. It's a fundamental disconnect between us, so it's probably better to just move on. Agree to disagree.

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>>69140325
I'm arguing that the people whose job it is to investigate crime have a better understanding of the protocol for investigating crime than the layman shitting his pants over it on an imageboard.
Maybe that's appeal to authority but I don't fucking care. Neither of us are criminal investigators so neither of us can reasonably expect to know better.

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>>69126785
Fuck off Charlie

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>>69140510
I mean, I'm also sure that their method had a better chance of catching the guy. 100%. No argument from me there. I'm just saying they have different priorities. Cops want to catch a criminal to meet their quota. I'd rather see innocents not be subjected to harm even if it means he gets away.

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>>69140325
Nux is just a lesser version of mamamax, prioritizing getting the video over any actual justice done

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>>69134486
the fish said males are too risky and since pc is mainly an english company i agree with him. most male en v tubers are some variation of sleazy

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>>69126785
>B-b-b-but they're all black company in the end!… :sweats heavily:
One is blacker than the others, faggot.
The one constantly throwing its talents under the bus, stealth suspending them and lost ≈20 of them this year.
Compare Mel's and even Rushia's termination with Selen and Zaion lmao.
Complete disaster, trainwreck.
Even nijiniggers can't deny this.

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>>69140632
>I'd rather see innocents not be subjected to harm even if it means he gets away.
Yeah, just let the criminal go so he can continue to do crime
That'll keep everyone safe
And surely it'll serve justice for the existing victims, too

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>>69140869
It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

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>>69134354
>>69135148
WHERE'S THE MONEY FROOT!?!!?!

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Nux stole his character from some gay kid on tumblr, I don't believe for one moment that he is motivated by ethics

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>>69140948
That adage is about innocent until proven guilty, dumbass.

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>>69141232
So innocent people only matter if they are in front of a judge. Got it.

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>>69141500
You're one of those people who only hears what they want to hear, aren't you?

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>>69126968

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>>69141616
>they want to leave a criminal active to harm more victims so they can catch them easier
This is literally catching a criminal at the expense of innocent people. What else is there to say? The adage may not have been intended for this situation, but it still applies. Or do you think that criminals that are declared not guilty are different than criminals that don't get caught in the first place?

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>>69141872
>catching a criminal at the expense of innocent people
This is just a fundamentally illogical train of thought.
To be clear, we're talking about a crime which does not put its victims in bodily harm. As such, the damage is much less severe and even REVERSIBLE provided the culprit is apprehended.
Think for five seconds. If you get into a phishing scheme, the culprit has your info.
Warning other potential victims doesn't take that away from the criminal. But arresting him will. Anyone who is victimized by a phishing scheme will be able to have their information and assets safely returned in the event the culprit is arrested.
That's how this fucking works. If a couple more people get scammed during the investigation, that sucks. But it can be fixed. Which is WHY it's acceptable to keep a low profile about crimes such as these.

Not every crime is treated the same way, as I'm sure you know although you don't argue like you do.

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>>69140998
You are too obsessed ant

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>>69142309
If you know how to reverse dox someone, you should sell that method to vtuber corporations. You could literally name your own price.

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>>69130847
You forgot they told Nazuna not to play it.

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>>69142472
If you think someone pulling this kind of thing is trying to give away the dox freely as soon as they get it, you’re a fucking gaping hole of a person.
What they’re really after is a ransom, so they don’t release the dox

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>>69143039
They advised her not to play it which was the right advice considering what happened with Silvervale and Pikamee.