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[Anonymous No.]

Assuming I'm reading the room correctly on what is about to happen, will this be the first time in history an agency and former talent take their disputes to court?

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>>69058097
>is this the first time an idol agency has trifled with sUe.S.A? parenthetical (Canada)
It will end badly for them

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>>69058097
They will settle out of court.
EN will be integrated into JP and a bunch of them will graduate beforehand, see their other foreign branches.
Nijisanji will continue being a profitable company.
Doki will be one of the bigger indies in the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

Not happening, anon. Their respective lawyers with settle it privately.

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>>69060139
Niji already leaked confidential stuff to their talents, no way they’re going to keep quiet about this

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>>69058097
This has happened in JP before. It is a first for EN

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>>69061537
If i remember correctly, not with the CEO having bowing and humiliating himself like that.

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>>69060139
The ideal and logical choice.
Unfortunately, unless the GURRAT is real and JP is totally disconnected managerially from EN, Anycolor is not logical and won't negotiate.

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>>69059356
Anyone claiming there's a different ending at this point is trolling, baiting, or delusional.

You forgot to mention that members that have not left NijiEn yet will have their reputations irrevocably tainted, most exiting vtubing soon and never returning.

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>>69058097
wait till it escalates with Anycolor suing their EN branch employees

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>>69059356
Yeah, billionaire japo had to dogeza on stage for the world to see. EN tranny clique and pajeet managers are about to see what black company really means.

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>>69061878
>unless the GURRAT is real and JP is totally disconnected managerially from EN

Bro did you miss EN launching their smear hit piece all of one hour before super serious corpo apology bow trying to repair things?

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>>69058097
I didn't get that sense at all. I think both sides will just let bygones be bygones at this point and move on. As should have happened originally. Doki hasn't done anything Niji can take action for, and Doki doesn't want to go through the protracted legal battle.

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>>69058097
They will settle out of court. Elira, Vox and Ike will be unceremoniously terminated as rogue employees, Riku will paint it as cleaning house. EN Branch will be dissolved, anyone who wants to stay will be folded into JP, remainder will graduate.

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>>69060569
they're really trying to force it to court, but it seems they specifically want selen to initiate it for reasons. as for the reasons, an official verdict will look better for the investors than the court of public opinion

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>>69064630
That's only EN monkeys doing that fuckery. Riku will put the lid on this shit post haste.

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>>69058097
Expect a settlement, this shit is too heavy to fight in court most likely, and I think Anycolor knows it. Selen would still take a massive hit financially if she drags them to court since they're a big company, she knows that. If neither of them act uber retarded for no reason, they will settle it privately

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>>69059356
God please let this be the case. I get that the drama is fun but I just want to watch doki be happy playing neopets and apex.

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>>69059356
This would genuinely be the good ending.
Doki would get her peace.
Heads would roll where they should roll.
And seething of NDF would be spectacular.

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>>69058701
Ah, yes, can't wait for some random cunt's lawyer to beat 100 corporate lawyers in court. That's definitely something that happens all the time.

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Well, we can be sure of one thing, Cover is not gonna hire Doki even if she wanted, at least for a few years and the option for holo collabs (mumei) happening this year are very, VERY low.

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>>69068893
It happens all the time, It's just employment court. Wrongful dismissal is the obvious case, if she has evidence she was mistreated and bullied and likely emotional distress given their public statements and the mental issues she mentioned.

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>>69068893
It's Canadian so the courts tend to lean towards the employee's side.

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>>69058097
>>69058701
Canada law is going to shove gay dildos so far up their ass, hope they have the lube prepared

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>>69058097
Nope

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>>69068893
Theyre japanese lawyers who are used to their system bending the knee to pure "trust me bro" bullshit, they have no chance in actual law, even worse, canadian law which is biased towards the employees

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>>69069621
Why are people wanting her to join another corp? She's doing well as she is; yes it'll probably slow down as the months go on but unless she actually starts losing significant SC money then what's the point? She has the freedom to play games without autistic perms, and the total ability to manage her own schedule. I've no issue with hololive but as someone who mainly follows indies I don't get why some people get so desperate for them to join various corpos.

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>>69068893
>Japanese Lawyers
>Who are so comically bad there's a fucking video game franchise making fun of them and the court system they operate in.
>He thinks Riku was going to shell out for 3 competent lawyers, let alone 100.
>He thinks that Riku is going to find a competent Canadian lawyer that will actually let him go to court.
>When a decent chunk of the NA legal world is now watching the case with popcorn in hand, waiting to see how high the fire burns.
NDF has never actually seen a single legitimate corporate legal process in their life if they unironically think any of these things.

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>>69058097
Pomu won. Dramabird baited a $2,000,000,000 legal defense and is going to get deleted.

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Considering the track record of Niji losing lawsuit, I would say that in Japan is 50/50, international is 80/20 doki and in Canada niji better be used to having their assholes judicially gaped

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>>69071960
>NDF being sheltered nincompoops
And in other news, Hololive is still winning.

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>>69072420
>Nijisanji lost Roa's defamation lawsuit in Japan, where you don't have to prove malice, only that the defamation damaged the defendant's reputation
Still gets a chuckle out of me.

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>>69072420
If Canada asserts full jurisdiction of the case and tells Anycolor to show up in BC, there is not a lawyer worth their paycheck that will advise anything but "Settle now and hope the government doesn't pursue".

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>>69068893
Japanese won't try to learn gaijin laws and stuff, because it's unhonorubu, the same way they never learned English.

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>>69072620
Don't forget
>Narukami's primary defense was "It was kayfabe, and you can't hold me, Narukami, liable for Narukami (the character)'s words!"
>An argument that the court determined was bullshit, because Narukami (the person) writes Narukami (the character)'s lines
>BUT ANYCOLOR STILL LOST THE SUIT
>AGAINST A GUY WHO HAD THEIR CORE ARGUMENT THROWN OUT
The absolute COUNTRY of Nijisanji.

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>>69073350
If any colour sues they are legit screwed, as shown here they have lost suits where they should've won even if they're an American company suing someone in America, and they still lost. Nijisanji is beyond incompetent I swear to god.

[Anonymous No.]

if niji does a lawsuit, here's what they needs:
>prove dokis posts were direct cause of stock dip
>prove selen/pom/kyo graduations and terminations were not cause
>prove selen firing was justified(optional, but helpful)

this is because if the graduations and terminations were the cause of stock losses, that is the companys decision, not selen/doki posting. that bar, even with the retard JP laws is high enough to be on the moon. niji's own mismanagement and shit company actions are a far more reasonable explanation as to why their stock plummeted on a JP exchange, blaming it on EN social media is retarded

if doki tries a harassment/workplace lawsuit they need:
>prove harassment(some evidence of which is LIVE ON OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA RIGHT NOW)
>prove distress
>prove management knew or caused either(not required, but adds zeroes to the judgement number)

notice doki doesn't even have to consider the termination for their suit by comparison. they can skip over it because a harassment suit is easier to win and likely to pay out more. this sort of suit would be easy for niji themselves to dodge by axing the whole branch and throwing the entire thing under the bus by handing doki all documents asked for. but there's an even easier case that is being overlooked.

doki sues for lack of payment and compensation regarding events/projects:
>prove that they paid instead of niji
>prove that niji provided some assurance they would compensate/offset the payments (this can literally be just ONE text)
>prove relevance to work completed for niji
>prove pattern of behavior(optional, but useful for NA lawsuits for punitive damages)

this lawsuit is so fucking free that im shocked its not already settled out of court. any number of the artists who claim selen paid them directly could be used as testimony. any NDA's that were signed would be voided for the purposes of the suit(if they even got the people involved to sign them because apparently they never did on most projects)

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>>69058097
Ironically it happened with Uto. She's a bad influence on everyone she is around. I literally dropped Selen the moment she collabed with Uto. I was gonna go all in again with Doki, only to see she's gonna collab with her again the first week.

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>>69059356
I beleib the 'Nijisanji JP is being given false information' rrat, so I think there is a chance JP laywers will try and force it to court as a way to restore honor

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>>69074388
Prerequisites for being a nijisanji lawyer:
In JP, have played Ace Attorney
In NA, have watched Law & Order

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>I was very shocked, but thought that was the last time I will hear or think about the document and that this, personally and my own opinion, was the end of the lawyers and legal involvement.

THERE IS NO FUCKING LAWSUIT YOU CHIMP-BRAINED RETARDS

Every single thing she has said has been about wanting to move on! Having a lawyer help draft an employee grievance does not mean anyone is or was being sued! Jesus fucking Christ.

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>>69074603
Doki will get harassment but will likely either not get project compensation or will only get peanuts from project compensation.
She spent 200k on projects and you can damn well bet that Niji management didn't sign off on ALL of them. Saying something like "We'll compensate for minecraft/a song cover/APEX tournament" is not giving carte blanche for Selen to spend indefinite Niji money on an infinite amount of projects. Like 15k maybe, but the harassment is the bigger suit regardless.

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>>69075415
Yet.
There is not a lawsuit yet.
But considering NijiEN saw fit to engage in such petty harassment as running a defamation stream at the exact same time as Dokibird's first gaming stream, in a successful attempt to destabilize her (and a failed attempt to undermine her growth over them).
If even half the Elira rrats are true, she's actually in more danger in Japan than if she was still in Canada. Does she think the CEO of a black company won't unperson her IRL? She'll be lucky if she ends up as a soapland window dressing, working off the settlement.

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>>69075415
How can she move on when the company keeps trying to drag her back?

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>>69075516
NTA but it will depend on what the situation is between Anycolor and NijiEN. If the Shadow Management rrats are true, there is a real chance that they've been signing off on projects knowing that all they have to do is fuck around for months until Selen pays the artist out of pocket, thus allowing them to omit the "expense" from the budget that Riku would be reviewing of the branch.
Embezzlement 101: Never get caught holding the money. Always make the money somebody else's problem.

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>>69058097

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>>69061878
It's a good thing we've entered the universe where all rrats are real.

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>>69075415
I did not think there would be a real legal problem, before the Elira video.
Then I was confident. Then GURRAT came out, and I'm less so.

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>>69075516
ill concede that the project stuff may be harder, i think her case there will be better on earlier project with niji. however the ones where they initially signed off then reneged or never paid are more likely to be problems. at best they'll be the cost of the project+interest and mild punitive, but if they didn't give her a budget there's a chance they get way more compensation for it.

i doubt the 200k is all from stuff niji authorized then reneged on, as selen did do a lot of spending for her own fans on her own. but there's a better part of this.

because the compensation is so much easier to show and prove on it's face, you can frontload the lawsuit with it if you have the evidence for it, and then tack on the harassment as retaliatory. even if the harassment wasn't actually retaliatory, you force them to try to basically prove a negative in court suddenly.

if you get this lawsuit in NA and have a jury, you now own the narrative 100% and niji must play pure defense to a jury who will eat this shit up

>>69076285
given the state of management for EN, I wouldn't be surprised if they were signing off on whatever then balking when they saw the bill each time. depends on what was said but failing to establish a budget for the person you authorized to spend money for the company means unless you can prove unreasonable expenses, you have to pay

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>>69075900
I mean if half of the rrats are true Elira is even more fucked in Canada than if she's in Japan. She's going to be destroyed by worker's laws in Canada anyways.

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>>69068893
bruh, if there's any competent lawyer in Anycolor office right now: they are now politely asking Dokibird's lawyer how much money they need to pay to end this shit fiesta in a simple settlement. She has open and shut case, and Niji EN already incriminated themselves in their own public statements. They can only lose, and settlement is literally going to hurt them less.

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>>69058097
Unironically this >>69059356
The win conditions on both sides is to just keep this quiet, under wraps, lets things die down, settle this privately with some rush money behind the scenes and move on.
Selen can't take a billion dollar company to court even if she has a case behind her, because even if she wins, it'll take a lot of time, money, and ungodly amount of stress because Niji can keep throwing money at the problem and delaying shit.
Niji can't take this to the court because that's basically public suicide, it would hurt their branch (EN) in the eyes of the public, Selen has a decent chance of winning by jury, which would mark Niji forever

Best thing is for the lawyer to settle things in a private meeting, agree no side will bring this up ever again, Niji pays some quick hush money, and both sides let it die so both sides can "win". This is usually what happens in 99% of the cases, ask any lawyer.

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>>69077111
>Selen can't take a billion dollar company to court even if she has a case behind her, because even if she wins, it'll take a lot of time, money, and ungodly amount of stress because Niji can keep throwing money at the problem and delaying shit.
If it goes to Canadian courts, they'll cover the costs due to the labor laws there heavily benefitting the employee for that exact reason.

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>>69077111
>Blah blah this is the rational outcome.
Okay but have you considered the blackbox stream?
Common sense is out of the window

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>>69077086
Can you ask for more than just money in settlements? Like can you ask that you want so and so to get fired?

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>>69077111
>because Niji can keep throwing money at the problem and delaying shit.
Niji wanting to pay for things?

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>>69077316
I'd ask millie as a personal sex slave desu

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>>69077325
Money has value for them when its in their best interest.
Don't forget they are the ones that went
>selen caused immensurable damages to our company
then when investors started pulling back because of the freefalling numbers they instantly went
>t-the damage she caused is m-minimal, p-please come back

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>>69077086
>>69077111
I'd be willing to bet that for about 250k(selen's claimed 200k and 50k to all the lawyers for both sides) all parties would sweep this under the rug, make a vaguely positive statement about the other, and make the investors involved really happy.

This is rational, sane, and would take maybe an afternoon of work. Which is why it's not going to happen. Nijisanji's content is drama.

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>>69077298
Nah, this case will end like this, 100%
Simply because from the start Selen was willing to let things die and put everything behind
Not saying she was trying to be the bigger person, I'm saying from the start she didn't have the balls to set fire to this dumpster

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>>69077316
You could request conditions as part of the settlement.

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Japanese laws are a fucking joke.
I legit couldn't believe when someone told me about the "hurt my honor" bullshit.

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>>69077533
>This is rational, sane, and would take maybe an afternoon of work. Which is why it's not going to happen.
it boggles my mind why niji with their billion dollar lawyers didn't decide to do this the first time
they kneejerked that termiation notice in sub 2 hours (in hindsight it makes sense why a lot of shit there didn't make any sense) and moved on to smear/scorched earth tactics, instead of calling selen's lawyer, privated a meeting and settled things behind the scenes in a single afternoon
their stocks feel more than any money they'd have to pay selen and her lawyer and they wouldn't have their image hurt this much

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>>69077111
The win condition for Doki and Niji is probably to just settle and move on by the sound of it, but the management clique is dead if they link up proper, hence why their conflicting statements, nuclear responses like suspending Scarie and more are happening. They know they don’t stand a chance if it gets to quiet settlement let alone if the internal investigations start, and Riku’s statement probably has let them know by most consideration the gears are already moving. Their lose condition was NijiJP so much as looked at what they were doing, and they’re already there. The best I can figure now is they either drag folks down(make doki unsuccessful so they’re all out of a job), or make such a big mess that the management shutters things without looking too hard and getting off “only” with the branch termination, as “victims”.

I won’t be surprised if once the EN management part is handled the Doki/Niji beef immediately is resolved too, or as fast as legal stuff goes. If the rest of the theories and otherwise of the JP side being detached from EN are remotely true, it’s probably be about as painless as it gets.

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>>69068893
>100 corporate lawyers
Bro thinks Nijisanji are Nintendo and not just a startup ran by an idiot that got where it is by taking every management and HR shortcut imaginable.

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>>69078112
I'm betting that Selen never even asked for compensation before the decided to suddenly fire her. Just some concessions on how to handle her graduation.
I am dying to know who the hell is/was pulling the strings in the branch to make it all go tits up so fast.

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>>69058097
Does anyone have that sentence mixed edit where he said cum a lot? I think I saved it on my home PC, but I want to show it to my buddy at work.

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>>69071960
>When a decent chunk of the NA legal world is now watching the case with popcorn in hand
I doubt this unless you're implying a decent chunk of the NA legal world is Asian and under 30. There might be a few people in international labor law with a professional interest, but that would be it.

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>>69077316
It's a settlement: a thing both parties agree upon so they DON'T go to the court. Can you make other party to bend the knee to fire a person? Depends. It really depends. Company has to fire someone after all, and THAT person now has a beef with the company for being fired. That could mean potential case as well.

If they have to go to court, then they can go to court with YOU, like in default plan. ... See, it's usually better to just take money and shake hands. But sometimes you have such a good case you can demand more.

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>>69078148
i'm excited for the possibility that the crazy legal battle won't be doki vs niji, but niji vs the nijien clique

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>>69077316
Despite being a tad ESL (or drunk), >>69079294 makes some very good points. However, it usually only happens publically in cases that involve high-profile harassment. I dunno if, say, Millie is high-profile enough.

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>>69059356
This. Settling out of court would be the quickest and easiest way out of this. Going the court would be the nuclear option, and would likely reveal a lot more that neither party would like to be public if they could avoid it.
Doki definitely has a civil case in Canada if she does go through with it, but she could always be countersued in the Japanese courts for defamation, because Anycolor is petty like that. In the end, it'd be a long, drawn out multi-year long international legal shitshow that ties up time and resources, and makes life a living hell.

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>>69078148
youre correct
the ideal way would be to get this into the japanese sphere in a way that it reaches riku, JP bigshots, or investors somehow. if the rratking is true, the enemy isnt nijiJP its nijiEN clique and only internal documents can split good from bad.

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>>69079560
> but she could always be countersued in the Japanese courts for defamation, because Anycolor is petty like that.
I dunno much about JP law, is it possible for a) a JP company to countersue because they lost a case in a foreign court (like could you give me an example?), and b) for the Japanese courts to force Selen into it if she chooses to never go to Japan?

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>>69078088
>I legit couldn't believe when someone told me about the "hurt my honor" bullshit.
There are laws like that in other countries (hell, the Finnish term for that translates directly to "violating honor" or something like that), though they usually require maliciously lying to harm the other person.
In my limited understanding, Japanese defamation law is a bit special in that even speaking the truth about the other person may count as defamation, if the other person is harmed by the statement and publishing said statement does not serve the public interest.

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>>69079421
This is increasingly feeling like this will be the case more than anything. Niji’ll probably have little issue cleaning their hands of the situation if Doki is anywhere as willing to “resolve this on neutral terms” as she has spoken, and pushing the full extent of the blame on the management sounds like their own personal out for everything. Scapegoat or not, if they can and do find skeletons in the closet they may very well drag them all out to wipe whatever issues and costs from this mess on them entirely. Much better to look like you were simply lied to than actively doing any of the cartoonishly evil actions that they have been made out to be.

Would also perhaps mean the dunking on Niji being dumb memes was fanned by the clique on purpose, to try and nuke the branch/make them hesitant to contact Doki before it was too late. If they silence the GURrat but let “Niji dumb and bad” to propagate that is exactly what they would want, if this is all true.

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>>69058097
>first time in history
Did (you) forget about Wactor?

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>>69080331
Anon like 30 people on this board know about Wactor drama at all.

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>>69058097
Depends on how much money they want to funnel to the board members Law Firm.

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>>69080033
>publishing said statement does not serve the public interest
Is there a precedent of entertainment companies succesfully suing former talents for defamination in this specific context? When they were 100% telling the truth?

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>>69079560
She can't be sued for defamation because she's not the one who said anything bad about them in public at any point in this entire fiasco. The fact she still hasn't indicates her and her lawyer are fully aware of this

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>>69058097
>will this be the first time in history an agency and former talent take their disputes to court?
Unlikely this ever reaches court. Niji has been passive aggressive as fuck with endless character assassinations trying to silence her. They've never once handled this professionally and it really comes off as trying to bully her into giving up. They clearly hate her and seem too scared to simply handle it with a legal case. They keep fucking around but when push comes to shove I bet they bend over.

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>>69080704
>Niji
NijiEN "management". The moment JP legal actually realizes what it entails they're going to shit themselves.

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>>69079560
i honestly don't think there's a world where niji can even try to pretend that anything that selen/doki did meets the bar for defamation. sure they said mean things, but where's the harm, and thereby, what's the remedy?

>muh stocks
they lost three talents before two months had even passed in the year and rumor says they're going to lose more. there is no world in which you can point at some EN social media posts and claim that it tanked your JP stock prices more than the talents themselves leaving the company. investors dont care about drama, they care about future profits, and losing your big names implies you'll pull in less money in the future.

say you even prove defamation, and we assume that doki's statements somehow were influential on the stock drop, how much more influential could they be than the talents leaving in the first place? if we split the stock drop 33/33/33 to each of the three talents who've left so far, how much of selen's portion is them then going on to complain about the company's treatment versus just no longer being employed?

i dont think there's any world in which that case is anything but a pet project that sinks money and makes investors nervous as well. there's no world in which you recover enough money to make pursuing the suit worth it even if you win. what's doki going to do, shell out 150 million to your company for the stock? they absolutely don't have that cash. if you put your in-house council on a case like this you're just wasting their time, and no firm would take this case without demanding so much money that you're basically burning pallets of the stuff.

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>>69079058
I am betting my ass, Selen simply wanted to graduate and sent some basic legalese at Anycolor office. Literally nothing special - her contract was probably tight, so she mentioned suicide attempt to be let off lightly and without much trouble. Just let her go and let her stream under Dokibird ahw mein gadw I almost did an oopsie and died :( please let me go

Literally nothingburger. But when Eliria got whacked with the document, she panicked because she thought Selen is going all out with big guns. Explains the panic, rushed termination, mixed signals with their stream and CEO apology.

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>>69081033
>i honestly don't think there's a world where niji can even try to pretend that anything that selen/doki did meets the bar for defamation. sure they said mean things
I mean they could in Japan hypothetically, but I doubt this will ever see the inside of a Japanese court.
>stocks
Everything in that second paragraph implies the stock market reacts instantaneously to vtuber drama, which isn't how it works at all. At this point it's based on speculation. Nijisanji and potentially the vtuber industry as a whole will potentially be rocked by this months down the road if investors - who are often clueless individuals with a superficial understanding of what they've invested in - decide to sell, as selling isn't an instantaneous action.

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>Elira (EN management) fires Selen after reading her real name in Selen's document detailing the bullying
Suddenly everything makes more sense...

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>>69079779
JP defamation laws are famously draconian and intentionally ambiguous.
All they'd need to do is prove that damage occurred as a result of her public statements, regardless of whether they're true or not.
As for being a foreigner contractor employed by a Japanese company, I'd imagine actually enforcing it gets iffy, but at the very minimum, it'd make finding work or sponsors in Japan difficult.
I'm not a lawyer by any stretch of the word though, so this is all just going by reading the articles. It's up to their lawyers to prove damages were a result of her statements, so I guess it could be argued that Anycolor did everything to themselves, which would be hilarious.

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>>69081404
If you can't give me an example in the context I requested, I'm not taking it at face value.

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>>69059356
I hope Niji and Doki destroy eachother.

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>>69081492
Read the articles, brother.

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>>69081404
>All they'd need to do is prove that damage occurred as a result of her public statements, regardless of whether they're true or not.
This is the main point.

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>>69059356
>EN will be integrated into JP
I used to think this but then I realized they would tank 20% of the company's value, which is all Niji care about. NijiKR and ID were nothing compared to that, which is why even though ID was better managed (comparitively) and the talents were seemingly happier (comparively), it was easy to fold them since most of the talents were literal 2views and the media didn't give a shit about them.
>>69081721
Anon, an example means when something along those lines has happened in the past.

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>>69080383
They must be feeling pleased about this whole shitstorm; for a long time Wactor was considered the archetypal kurocompany but now that has been mostly forgotten about simply because their audience was never as big as NijiEN's (though IMO what Wactor did, while similar to the current situation, was still somewhat worse – they actually went as far as to publicly post legal documents which doxxed talents they had disputes with).

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>>69081404
>All they'd need to do is prove that damage occurred as a result of her public statements, regardless of whether they're true or not.
Ah, but they already claimed that the termination will have negligible impact.

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>>69081954
I remember that, but people in the scene can kinda comprehend these literal 2view startups being total scams or ran by the most incompetent fuckers alive. It's kind of mindboggling that the EN branch of one of the 2 biggest corpos in the entire industry is this fucking fucked up.

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>>69082197
IIRC, Wactor was actually considered the biggest ES-speaking agency at that time, but I concede that was still a significantly smaller market and they had little crossover into EN. But yes, small startup vtuber companies have tended to implode horribly more often than not, with only a handful actually climbing out of that level to a tier of medium-success.

Among big corpos, I'd argue there was a period where Vshojo had some really poor management (with the Nux drama and then the contract disputes), but they improved since then and that was still not as bad as this situation, so Niji definitely takes the cake in this regard.

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>>69071960
what if.... anycolor hires a lawyer from australia, singapore or good ol jew to fight this?

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>>69082030
Yeah and they claimed it after she made her tweet where she said that there was an toxic environment there
Like motherfuckers you played yourself

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>>69083448
It wasn't really so much management with regards to Vshojo as lack thereof and having 3 of the most up-their-own-ass talents in any corpo, who would of course leave for mythic allowing vshojo to restructure itself. Holopro made huge mistakes between the Taiwan incident and 2023, and yet always recovered because they never handled any of those incidents anywhere near as badly as Niji did, were always hyper-aware of the fan perception of them (especially after the Chinese One Nation incident) and were never publically petty towards anyone they had an issue with. I'm a holofag and I had some huge issues with the staff for a while but even if things aren't perfect now they really seemed to have cleaned house.

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>>69083814
Unless they're hiring the world's best jewish canadian lawyer it won't matter?

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I want Niji to show up to BC court with a team of jew lawyers.

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>>69059356
That would be the smartest thing for niji to do but betting on them to do the smart or even most obvious thing is getting harder and harder to do

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>>69071084
And Nijisanji will come to the ring with two losses under their belt: The Roa case and the Narukami case!

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>>69068893
>He thinks no one has ever sued McDonald's for the dumbest fuckin things
Idiot. It's called settling out of court. And even if it wasn't you don't think several blood sucking superstar lawyers will miss the chance to capitalize on getting the settlement money and fame of suing niji?

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>>69084240
theyll go with the attrition tactic and exhaust all of Dookies funds. Dookie will have to go from selling new merch every week to every day.

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>>69084646
The coffee suit was legitimate as the coffee mutilated that old lady's groin for being too hot. The second lawsuit where two fat girls sued McDonald's was bullshit

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>>69084831
True. I heard she had third degree burns and McDonald's was liable because the temperature of the coffee was crazy high.

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>>69060569
Not necessarily, it probably increases the settlement cost though, since it gives Selen's side more leverage

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>>69078112
Because it wasn't from Niji HQ which actually has all the lawyers and PR professionals it was from NijiEN which was staffed by dipshits who have no idea what they're doing and wrote some retarded smear shit because they have teenage girl mentality.

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>>69084736
I think Rikk will fake his own death and become a Chinese takeaway manager called Ricky Chan is Galashiels, Scotland.

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>>69058097
i've probably looped this a hundred times at this point. i can't stop watching it.

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>>69077111
Pretty much this, the best thing Niji can do is settle out of court and is probably what's going to happen.

The issue is that NijiEN has shown itself to be a retarded flailing wild card that constantly makes things worse at every turn. They're basically fucked no matter what and we have no idea what they're going to do next, the blackscreen stream was the absolute dumbest fucking move they could have done but it still happened. If Riku doesn't take action to clamp down on them there's no telling what stupid shit they'll pull next.

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>>69085524
>queue sonny briscoe giving him the vacuum card from breaking bad he used to get to Niji in the first place

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>>69085963
>If Riku doesn't take action to clamp down on them
Anon, being a CEO of a successful startup does not make you a competent manager or suitable for handing out discipline. It was his job to ensure that decent management was in place to do that, which anyone could have told you years ago he never bothered with because he was an arrogant, stupid retard and it never put his stock price in jeopardy until now.

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The way that I'm seeing it is that there's 3 entities here instead of just Niji vs Doki:

You have Anykara, the head company in Japan with Riku at the top who are very likely to try and settle out of court because they have no real case.
You have Doki, who just wants to move on and doesn't seem to want to go to court but also wants to get NijiEN off her back.
And you have NijiEN, who have been pulling the dumbest shit because they realize that they're either getting legally fucked or corporately fucked.

An out of court settlement is most likely to happen unless NijiEN does something absolutely retarded because they're the most likely ones to end up doing something fucking stupid.

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>>69077432
With all her skill in bootlicking she’d also keep your shoes looking good.

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>>69086962
>NijiEN uses their embezzled funds to hire their own lawyers and take Doki to court
Surely they wouldn't, right?

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>>69059356
Stop saying truths bro the board and dramafags can't handle that

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>>69087693
I sure fucking hope they do kek

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>>69087693
Who knows?

I wanna say that they're not that dumb but every single move they've done so far has been worse than the last. At least with a greedy corp you can predict what they'll do next since they just care about stock prices, but NijiEN is way too petty and spiteful for that.

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>>69087693
Oh they are fucking retarded enough to do it, it would be so fucking funny if they went through with it.

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>>69087746
I'm a dramafag but I already know that it's a 99% chance that it'll be settled and we'll never see proof of what's actually going on. Doki definitely doesn't want to drag this out and Niji lawyers haven't even started dragging their feet yet. The ONLY way I think this will go to litigation is if Niji is so dumb as to offer so little compensation that it offends Doki's family.

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>>69088154
The thread I made got deleted within 10 minutes, but: >>/vt/thread/69087560
Or in non link terms: Their goal was less about Doki, more to keep a wrap on their own stuff. Letting her so much as say a word was too risky, so they terminated her, and most of the conflict was to push an anti-Niji issue so she doesn't get in proper contact with the JP side ever.

The moment that JP takes a look, gives an NDA go ahead, or really does anything they're absolutely fucked. If the lawyers to handle the case would mean JP doesn't get involved, I bet they would do it too, but Riku's announcement, the GURRAT, they're now in the endgame of full panic as it's about to all come tumbling down.

They want to sink the yacht, with no survivors. Because dead idols tell no tales.

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>>69089251
If JP management has ordered a red alert and assumed direct control over NijiEN, then at worst this ends with a private out-of-court settlement. But if NijiEN/the Clique feels threatened, you never know what a cornered animal is going to do.

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>>69058097
no kurosanji japan have done that too

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>>69089614
> Letting her so much as say a word was too risky, so they terminated her
yeah 'cause that works out so well in every other industry

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My new rrat is that Doki's lawyer is also NijiEN's lawyer and he's also the one who leaked the aster stuff.

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>>69089776
If my guess is right, they were in burn down mode as early as the failed sudoku being announced publicly. They want the branch to be canned asap, bad business options and actions are the goal. Better than whatever they did coming to light.

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>>69089899
Disbarment speedrun any%

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>>69089776
They're probably used to being able to bully or harass problematic employees into silence.
Doesn't work so well for a foreign contractor with a platform though.
What are they going to do? Send yakuza footsoldiers to Canada?

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>>69090174
I think you're overestimating them honestly, burning down the branch and going full scorched earth mode would be a strategically sound move but really I just think they're incredibly fucking stupid and this is all just incompetence and spite.

None of them know what they're doing because they're all mentally teenagers with no real life experience. They're not evil geniuses they're evil idiots.

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>>69090174
Like I said earlier, this isn't NijiID or KR who really were negligible, losing the EN branch means a 20% hit, basically all major expansion options exhausted, and their international reputation/image tarnished for life, which is huge. Riku is probably sweating bullets right now even if NijiEN "management" are too retarded to see the problem.
>>69090442
It's clear they aren't used to working with westerners, and Sayu's complaings being completely ignored beyond the vtuber dramasphere probably gave them a certain sense of confidence which completely backfired in this very different case.

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>>69090566
It's sad that even when they're retarded they'll be able to get away with everything unless the rrat about embezzlement is true.

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>>69058097

don't forget this might be the first time several conspiring vtubers goes to jail.

bulllying a coworker into a suicide, conspiracy to take over a company, probably MASSIVE amounts of money laundering we don't know about yet, one of them fleeing the country...

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>>69090566
Yes, and the smart answer would be to just go along with the ‘leave on neutral’ rhetoric and have dropped it, or not let it get so bad that being investigated can cause a total collapse. I don’t think they would be in this position if they weren’t this dumb, nor pick these answers and actions.

These are the actions of desperate teens trying to keep lying to not get caught, the most smart thing I heard would be Elira maybe fleeing the country if that part is true. Everything else is just the incompetent answer towards this goal, and honestly I won’t be surprised if we stop hearing or seeing more to the drama at least from the talents until legal stuff is dropped, or an official company announcement occurs. Most we can do is know where the dust is going to settle at this point.

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>>69090566
>None of them know what they're doing because they're all mentally teenagers with no real life experience. They're not evil geniuses they're evil idiots.
This is the biggest point. They're all likely young idiots who got into Youtube and social media fresh out of high school , when things were really starting to take off.
They've probably never had to deal with the real world a day in their lives. When youtubers and media personalities who have been in the game for much longer are coming out to tell them that they fucked up, you know they really fucked up.

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>>69091461
>>69091048
I completely agree with both of your points, but ultimately the person who hired them is ultimately responsible for all of this shit. So would the real EN manager please step up? I repeat, would the real EN manager please step up? We're gonna have a problem here

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>>69068893
Lawsuits aren't some powerlevel fighting tournament, autist-kun.

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>>69091048
>>69091461
Reminder that Elira has never held an actual job or worked an actual day's work in her life.
>She wouldn't know Canadian labor laws because she's never worked an actual job that would have informed her of them.
>She wouldn't know that pressuring a coworker to suicide isn't the same as pressuring some random on twitter, and has much more dire consequences.
>She wouldn't know that corporations and governments both have hella paper trails and accountability systems to stop exactly the kind of behavior that Selen was trying to report.
The thing that makes the GURRAT most plausible is that it accounts for Elira's skills, temperament, and ignorance of reality, all in one package that neatly fits into the context of NijiEN as a company.

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>>69068893
Man I love how everyone has an opinion about the legal system when they don't know a fucking thing about the legal system. I don't give a fuck how many lawyers the other side has. I don't give a fuck what they're paid. The facts are the facts. The best lawyer in the world can't win with the wrong set of facts. The issue is how expensive it is for a regular person to maintain a lawsuit because it costs a lot to prosecute one. An area which Doki can actually probably succeed because she can definitely get people to crowdfund it if she needs it. They can delay it for a good long time but they cannot stop it and with the amount of dumb shit they've done its hard to see a way for them to win it. So to your retarded ass comment yeah people win lawsuits against huge corpos all the fucking time.

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Ya'll saying that an out of court settlement is the most likely outcome, and any sane company would take that route, but you're forgetting:

- The company fired someone offering to resign.
- The company revealed the possibility of internal harassment, without a court order.

NijiEN is not sane. Who know what the hell they are going to do.

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>>69093222
>An area which Doki can actually probably succeed because she can definitely get people to crowdfund it if she needs it.
Some anons also say that the canadian government can potentially foot the bill, don't know if that's true

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>>69093222
>The best lawyer in the world can't win with the wrong set of facts.
This is factually untrue and makes me thing you know even less about the law than the retard you're replying to.

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>>69059356
But I want to watch this dumbster fire of a situation longer!

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>>69093656
But now upper Japanese management is finally involved. I don't think they are retarded enough to let this become even bigger.

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>>69093656
Also revealed that they were sharing confidential legal documents outside of their legal team, on stream, followed by a stumbling twitlonger that basically read "nu uh!"

Nevermind putting all their livers in danger with the termination notice, and doubling down to put Elira's life in even more danger. Poor girl probably doesn't even dare return to Canada at this point.

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She's not going to court. She admitted she's broke and not willing to fight things out in court in favor of peace. Her evidence was already being picked apart by Vox and Elira.

Nijisanji has proof of a reasonable termination as well. She'd fight, lose money, lose the suit, then lose more money

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>>69093656
Anykara =/= NijiEN

Anykara is the one that handles all the money and does all the administration. NijiEN is a rogue branch run by the inmates that has basically been flagrantly breaking every labor law in the book. They don't have any actual power because their parent company is the one with the leash.

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>>69093905
>I don't think they are retarded enough to let this become even bigger.
As I've said countless times, you're making a bold presumption by assuming there even is a functional "JP management". I honestly think Riku runs a skeleton crew as thin and cheap as possible.

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>>69093743
Anon as much as I'm sure you wanted to impress us all with all your extra chromosomes you have no idea what you're talking about. You have to have some basis to combat a lawsuit. You don't win just because "haha we have money." If you don't have a single fact on your side you have no chance, I don't care how good a lawyer you are.

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>>69076079
By making a legal agreement to drop the issue. It's really not that hard, people are just letting their egos run wild.

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>>69068893
Bro have you seen the management? Who thought that elira vox etc video was a good idea? They shot themselves in the foot way too many times. No doubt people will fund Doki's lawsuit, and the case has gotten worldwide recognition for terrible PR management, I wouldn't be shocked if top law fitms have reached out wanting to take the glory of winning this case.

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>>69094234
What would it take beyond a company-wide email saying "everybody shut the fuck up immediately"? That would stop the bleeding at least.

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>>69094030
>Her evidence was already being picked apart by Vox and Elira.
Vox and Elira are fucking stupid and have no legal background or for that matter any actual jobs aside from streaming.

This isn't about wrongful termination, she was already going to quit. This is about them breaking laws and admitting it.

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>>69094284
anon have you not been aware of the entire histry of the USA or what happens in most countries in general? sure maybe in canada things are a bit different and I do think in this specific case doki would probably win, but you sound like you have zero knowledge ouf modern history or the world outside of the internet and whatever irrelevane place you live in is.

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>>69094407
>Who thought that elira vox etc video was a good idea?
Management probably didn't know. It is so contrary to the Riku video and damaging to the brand there could not have possibly been any meaningful coordination, unless everyone in this situation is literally retarded.

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>>69064121
>EN tranny clique and pajeet managers are about to see what black company really means.
But even if it isn't black, isn't that their own fault of creating that shit environment they are in?

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>>69094030
NDF only sends their best and brightest

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>>69093905
This is the same upper management that sued and lost against narukami, right?

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>>69089251
>and we'll never see proof of what's actually going on
Oh we'll get some proof, if even half the rrats about elira and co are true they've made the billionaire bow and lose money. We'll see signs things are happening over time. Doki's general mood improving over time will also be a sign things have progressed past the settlement for her and are no longer affecting her.

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>>69094415
To be honest yeah, he should have done that to the EN branch before his stupid apology video.

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>>69094071
You know the buck stops somewhere, right?
Daddy has to foot the bill.

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>>69077086
>bruh, if there's any competent lawyer in Anycolor office right now
heh

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>>69068893
With all the spaghetti they've spilled if they even let it get that far instead of settling they're even more retarded than they look already.

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>>69094553
What laws have been broken? Faggons can't decide what law they broke, how they broke it or even if they broke a law

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>>69094632
I love that this is a thing, Nijisanji is absolutely stupid and I think they'll continue to fuck up.

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>>69094870
They won't be able to settle because it'll be dishonorable.
It's over, they're going straight for the seppuku.

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>>69094553
They obviously got approval from management and lawyers on what they can say in the video. The video was obviously scripted and they picked apart the evidence given in the document

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>>69094557
And you sound exactly like the dumb mother fuckers I was talking about that think they understand the law without any real knowledge of it. There are two reasons why corporations get away with this shit and neither are because companies can spin bad facts into gold. One is because they're expensive as I mentioned in my original post. The other is dumb doomer fucks like yourself that give up before they even try because they think corporations wave a magic wand and the court rules in their favor. A good lawyer can enhance the facts that favor them. That's about it. Niji has basically admitted that they fired Selen in retaliation for bringing up workplace harassment. I don't know about Canada but I do know that's illegal as fuck in America and I've personally seen how companies bend over backwards to even appear to be retaliating against employees that exercise their legal rights.

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>>69094638
All we'll get is circumstantial evidence. I'm talking about the receipts that Doki is saying that she has. If she settles then Niji will make sure in the agreement she won't share it. I highly doubt Anycolor is going to come out and say "Yeah, Elira and her clique are the culprits they did this this and this". They're going to release vague statements of the livers not aligning with company values and then try to memoryhole them.

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>>69074603
>if niji does a lawsuit, here's what they needs:
>>prove dokis posts were direct cause of stock dip
>>prove selen/pom/kyo graduations and terminations were not cause
Dont think the first one matters, since even if her posts were a direct cause of the stock dip (they came after their own posts and can be seen as a reply), and if she did not lie in her posts the result of them does not matter (canadian court, in jap court it will matter)
>>prove selen firing was justified(optional, but helpful)
That is easy to prove to them. They are a black company, why do you think they had a folder of the most minute infractions that they managed to pull out of nowhere. That is jap/black company m/o. So for them it should be easy to prove they could fire her. The problem happens if it comes out that she actually legitimately requested to walk away in writing. Then they will be seen as spiteful fucks even more so, with a court signature.
So if Niji goes for a lawsuit, I seriously don't see them mentioning the stock garbage at all. If its a lawsuit, its going to be defamation based.

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>>69077086
This is probably the best outcome for anybody.
Dokibird gets a payout that helps recoup her financial losses from Niji projects and will give her some real security for a long time so she can focus on her mental wellbeing.
Nijisanji faces fiscal consequences for their bad behaviour, which means there will be real financial incentives (and investor pressure) to ameliorate the issue systematically
An example will be made that will help other talents get justice in the future, especially non-japanese chuubas working remotely for jp corpos
And Nijisanji gets to save face by letting the whole thing blow over quietly without a lengthy court drama that would continue to fuel public outcry for years--which also means there's a chance that some form of their EN branch gets to survive and reform into something less cancerous.

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>>69068893
Faggot-kun, Niji's lawyers couldn't even beat Japanese Keemstar on their home turf. You're a fucking retard if you think they have a chance in hell of winning in a Canadian courtroom.

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>>69076353
>people from clique buying apartments while selen spending 200k on projects
That desu is just selen being dumb. She could have invested the same 200k into an apartment or 2, and start paying for projects off the rent they bring in. No need to even pay off the whole apartment in 1 go, just have some of the rent go towards paying them off, and the rest into projects.

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>>69095268
She herself in the most recent statement has said those receipts are only being shown to the legal folks, so we’re only going to hear and see based on what Niji does and says. They might go full transparency to get out of hot water, or they may just silently brush it under the rug.

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Imagine if they get stocks for staying in the company for a few years like most tech companies do. Everyone would be sooooo mad at Elira kek

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>>69093743
This isn't the movies or video games, corpos loose straight forward cases all the time or rather settle them outside of court to keep the buzz low, and Nijisanji isn't a heavy weight with a legion of "ace attorneys" anyway.

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>>69095904
Yes I know, that's why I said we're seeing none of that if it's just a settlement. If it goes to litigation then the court documents will be public record.

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>>69095268
Doki's statement basically confirms Mille, Elira and Enna are the bullies. She stated there were no addresses added on her end, and they said their addresses were there and afraid of doxxing. Not Vox's not that other faggots, only those three. They are confirmed defendants in the case.

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>>69095268
I'm not so sure they will try to memoryhole them at this point. If the rrats are true they've hijacked the en branch, embezzled from the company a fair bit, and most importantly they hurt the billionares bottom line.
Le retard de vox / elira escalated things to such a high level the other day that there's now a very real possibility that the best way of making this go away as fast as possible to throw their proverbial heads onto the table for the investors.

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>>69095667
I dunno man, if I were japanese keemstar I would make sure that everything I do won't come back around to bite me in the ass. I would be a master of jap law if I decided to run that shit there.

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>>69093905
>I don't think they are retarded enough to let this become even bigger.
They might not be, but then again they might. They could easily be running around with the idea that all they have to do is discredit Doki enough and her support will just disappear and everyone will love NijiEN again. They could also have sacked the NijiEN management, and may be trying to figure out how best to get their side to stop making stupid videos and announcements discussing the ongoing legal discourse between lawyers.

[Anonymous No.]

Just like how they have one of their livers acting as manager, one of their lives is acting as their ace attorney. Probably Vox.

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>>69096402
The only way I can believe embezzlement happened is if the Niji accountants are pretty much absent until the end of the JP fiscal year. Surely their whole company isn't that incompetent...right?

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>>69059356
All of this will be forgotten when nijisanji runs out of retarded moves to make, at some point Riku will just tell En management to ignore the topic for a few weeks and then it'll be over

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>>69096799
Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised if the shadow management diverted funds within the company dishonestly in terms of "fairness," but didn't actually cross into the legal definition of any actual financial crime.

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>>69096221
No one is lying. Doki's lawyers added in the addresses to the legal document since it may be legally required.

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>>69096799
>Budget expense to pay commissions
>Delay payment until Selen does it out of pocket
>The clique can now point to the delivered commissions as proof of expenditure while keeping the budget to themselves

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>>69077316
That’s how Tucker Carlson got shitcanned from Fox over Jan 6th. Dominion sued and discovery kicked up damning texts from the anchors so Fox settled and was forced to make statements before each time they talked about the election.

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>>69068893
First off, they have Millie, Elira, Ike, Vox and Enna who are now basically useless and will not make them money. Do they want to continue paying their salaries alongside the court costs? Doubt Riku wants to sacrifice his yacht.

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>>69095582

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>>69096799
They probably are only getting quarterly reports at best, if not bi-yearly. This leaves plenty of wiggle room for spinning stuff however you want, double so if you say, took 3/4ths of the budget ment for livers for yourself as the end tally will still say the 'total expenses' for us is only X. No source-by-source subtotal needed, only divided by what type of expense. They probably could easily have taken 90% of what the others were supposed to get and just said management is only giving you this much, and unless both ends came into contact without middle management getting in the way they'd never know.
> Source: Seeing accountant work with japanese clients. All the statements aren't running totals or balances, but instead quarterly reports divided by proceeds/loss and what 'category' it falls under. It would be painfully simple to embezzle with that middle management position.

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>>69096799
>surely the retards that have fucked everything up couldn't fuck up one more thing, right? Surely.

I'll I know, is that any company that I've seen that had this much incompetence in the management had embezzlement going on in the background. If upper management sends the signal that they're not paying attention to the day to day goings on then usually there's someone that's will take advantage. Not saying its for sure but honestly I'll be a little surprised if there isn't any going on at all.

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>>69097434
To add to the thought: this might be why they are absolutely scared shitless by doki. She literally has cash receipts and bank amounts to show that if they weren’t paid as they were ment to be, Niji is about to find out.

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>>69097220
That's not how accounting works. No invoice/receipts with payer/payee no go.

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>>69094596
>Management probably didn't know.
With practically every single NijiEN talent's Twitter including a similarly-worded message to go watch it? Corporate might not have known, but NijiEN's management definitely knew and likely orchestrated most of it.

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>>69096799
The situation with Mysta Rias left him 400,000 in debt when he was with Niji and used a Niji reccommended accountant. Ironmouse and VShoujo came in to help him fix that clusterfuck up. They are incompetant af. But I can expect that because from what I can see they try to pay as little as possible for all employees.

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>>69097707
I can again confirm, seeing Japanese clients: no that is exactly how their quarterly reports go. If JP is only looking at that, they’re good to go. Though this does also mean the investigation can probably easily take a look at their proper ledger and see something fucky, if it exists.

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>>69059356
Most likely this but I want bloodshed, things cannot go down so easily for the bullies.

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>>69095704
>200k apartment
>In Vancouver
lol. lmao even.

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>>69097770
Fair, I'll rephrase. NijiJP probably had no idea of what the contents of the video would contain, because it is actively damaging to the company and also undercuts Riku's own attempt to put out the fire.

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>>69097807
>>69097936
I have seen the light. I didn't know Japan was that bad with accounting in general. The only Japanese client I had was a restaurant and they wanted daily details and everything properly documented.

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>>69071960
Eat your burgers Apollo.

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>>69097807
Actually now I'm wondering if Eliras, Millie Enna etc was involved in this in anyway? Normally companies pay taxes on your behalf(not sure too sure about JP companies) but did they pocket it?

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>>69098143
This is how most will go with proper accounting. I presume they have their own ledgers and stuff for these above cases, but what records that are sent to the foreign investors and stuff are typically only the quarterly parts. It’s probably a case that assuming NijiEN didn’t just fire their accountant they do have said records, and probably slip him some money to make sure he knows to only share the quarterly reports. Again, this might be why they are absolutely losing their shit at the Doki situation, they are dead if the upper management does any digging of any kind.

[Anonymous No.]

>Not only I'm the OG NijiEN gen but also the FACE of NijiEN, but I have a younger "sister" who is more popular and charismatic than me? ON MY COMPANY??? Besties, it's time to get to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098577
>Accountant risking jailtime for vtubers
Hope they paid well kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099029
Bro, considering Selen could spend 200k of pure profit on commissions, and a single accountant would probably oversee multiple people. Hell yea there is a lot of money involved.

[Anonymous No.]

With regards to NijiJP management, people need to realize this. They're incompetent and greedy, but not insane. They have a better grasp of PR than what NijiEN has displayed so far (low bar, I know, but still). They haven't gone after their ex-JP livers for shittalking them or released a full list of Gundou's transgressions to justify her graduation. They lost that lawsuit to Narukami, yes, but that was out of greed. They were selling Roa voice packs while trying to argue that Roa couldn't make any money due to Narukami's reporting. Again, it's incompetence and greed on full display. Make no mistake, their management is a callous, heartless piece of shit.
But what NijiEN are doing here is insanity, acting out of unbridled spite and fueling the flames at every opportunity. It just doesn't match up to the existing flaws that upper management have shown. It is just unbelievable that some unnamed, faceless manager who wouldn't have any direct contact with Selen (because they don't speak English) would get so mad about her personally and try to destroy her at the cost of ruining the company's reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094842
Not everyone that is dunking on your piece of black shit company is a dragoon. In fact, the majority aren't, we're just people with working brains.
As for laws, not a lawyer but: defamation, harassment, break of confidentiality regarding at least legal records and possibly medical records, non-compensation for money used in projects after promises to do so (allegedly), wrongful termination (I don't think it was actually wrongful, Selen did break her contract, but I have faith in Niji's ability to fuck this up), and if the rrats are true, embezzlement of company funds.
Might've forgotten something idk

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099029
The critical assumption here is that NijiEN itself has an internal accountant, while being shortstaffed enough to have the clique run management duties... and that NijiJP's accountants can overcome the language barrier to factcheck them properly on their invoices

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098078
Why vancouver brother? You do realize when you are buying something like an apartment as an investment, you are not buying it to live in it yourself right?
Also you don't front 100% of the price most of the time. You buy that shit so you can get passive income from renting it, and you can use it as collateral in loans.

[Anonymous No.]

Using my digital x-ray vision it looks like it says Selkie to me. This meaning anything to anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

To also illustrate it, I’ll just make a quick example:
>our beginning balance is so-and-so much
>expenses: streaming equipment for x, food expenses y, travel expenses z
>earnings: superchats a, merch b, voice packs c
What the trick here is, is that they don’t have to mention stuff like how day one vtuber was maybe worth 30% those chat incomes, or another only was worth 3%. Same for if one liver took 95% of their travel budget.
>our end balance is this much

They can easily get away with embezzling funds, as long as this balances and is accurate technically. So, if say Elira takes 3/4ths the merch sales by force, all the investors and overseas accountants see is the end merch sale number. They would need to demand/request that ledger to see something is fucky, and audits are a pain.

>>69099029
It honestly might not be illegal as far as this quarterly report strategy is concerned, just on the grounds that as far as they know, management has never asked. Hence why I can see the management clique losing their minds in panic because if the upper management did ask, they would have to either oblige or tell them he hasn’t been doing his job at best. Their only defense was upper management wasn’t paying attention, and they lost the moment Riku turned his head. Let alone making a 90 degree bow on camera.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099913
The same trick they pulled to get access to Selen's documents from Japanese lawyers might very well be used to obfuscate information from the actual JP accountants too.

[Anonymous No.]

could be some sort of stock manipulation/embezzlement as you say

liquidation of funds through stocks, selling short just to get the bag, who knows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69079560
>she could always be countersued in the Japanese courts for defamation, because Anycolor is petty like that
Not legally allowed unless she did it in Japan, which is the only time a corpo can sue a foreign employee in Japanese court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099743
200k CAD gets you a shit black mold infested shack in Michigan, anon.
It's not a responsible financial decision.

[Anonymous No.]

honestly after everything that went on, im fully convinced that jp and en sides are basically completely separate entities under the same name; jp has literally 0 idea of any of the going ons on the en side an odds are they're auditing everything as we speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>69079779
>or the Japanese courts to force Selen into it if she chooses to never go to Japan?
probably not because Canada might tell Japan to fuck off if they tried that.

[Anonymous No.]

All I know is after everything's done and dusted, everyone is going to look at anime lovers with distain and think of them as jokes again because of the behaviour of an erratic blue haired dragon girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098482
>>69100496
Does this make sense or am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69058097
>Doki taking Nijisanji to court
Over what? Her menhera attacks? I don't think going suicidal is a corp fault. They will just bring the other vtubers as proof that it's a Doki only issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101339
>They will just bring the other vtubers as proof that it's a Doki only issue.
Except their own statements admitted that Selen in particular was being harrassed by other employees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101310
Was Selen's termination notice in Japanese also posted on the main NijiJP twitter? I'm not sure how Nijisanji handles it but Cover does their termination/graduation notices directly on the Cover Corp account so in such a situation you can't argue that the branch is getting ahead of itself. If Selen's notice was only posted on the NijiEN account, then this can't be dismissed as easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101310
It makes sense to me anon, it really is objectively, a fucking legal shitshow with how they handled this
if you assume what Vox said is true (which it probably isn't because he's a retard) Nijisanji already broke multiple laws, potentially international ones too

[Anonymous No.]

>>69100785
This honestly is how I think it is going if the gurrat is true. We’ll probably see the end of the doki drama in short order right about exactly when they make a few termination announcements to save face and root out the folks. If all this is true both JP and Doki would basically be fine parting ways asap. Probably also EN dissolving due to no remaining management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101833
I'm not sure how Elira, Vox, and Ike consulted with Anycolor's lawyers and got their approval to do the stream. The two are mutually exclusive if Anycolor has a competent legal team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101339

-breaking NDA
-leaking medical records
-bullying her into a suicide attempt
-libel/slander
-criminal harassment
-falsifying financial records RE: paying the artists

what else am i missing anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102142
Even an incompetent legal team wouldn't approve it, anon, unless you're talking about a team that bad it consists entirely of disbarred retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102142
Given the mess? Probably they used their management position to get the info on the pretense of getting English lawyers involved, saw they might’ve had a problem, and went ahead of all legal teams to make their statement. Incredibly dumb and banks on them abusing their position, but they only are making these calls if it has gotten that bad. It only fits the rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101676
No, the only EN stuff they post there is advertising for events or merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69064343
It was like 4 hours, anon

[Anonymous No.]

Cover is bouncing back. Anycolor is still free fall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69068893
Happens to google all the time. You'd be surprised at how bad corpos can be at hiring good lawyers.

that being said, I doubt doki is going to sue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102248
breaking international data transfer regulations probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102519

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102359
>>69102429
How did this happen then?
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1757257329945497672

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099913
This is my rrat for why nijien is going insane against doki: the accounting is fucked and some ppl have already sounded the alarm, but the dramachuubas can't really say anything for now since it means they'll be fucked over by nijien and requires riku putting his foot down for things to go smoothly.

Also with how different nijien and nijijp are doing about things I think nijien is going to implode the moment nijijp gets outsiders in this situation to look into what the hell is happening, as what elira and co are doing is illegal asf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103195(me)
My rrat is that NijiEN is just the talents. There is no management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103195
Considering almost immediately after the trio blackscreen announcement, Riku said they were going to be doing investigations? This probably is what they sent them officially, and non English twitter management just went “ok” and took it at face value. Would explain why so much of the English statements have been so bad, they either were made with no legal lookover or worse: we had our lawyers look it over. Source: just trust me boss.

Also further rrat: Elira quietly is the one hording all of the play buttons, would be hilarious if after her termination all the talents finally got their buttons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103736
>Elira quietly is the one hoarding all the play buttons
my fucking sides if this turned out to be true
she would be dead to the internet probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103736
Unless a version was also posted to the JP Twitter at the same time, I think they have direct access to the EN Twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102910

they could be charged for theft for withholding all the play buttons,

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104210
If the gurrat is proven, I think she already will be, since it is true that the rest of the EN folks are probably going to be in for a rough time, if not total branch dissolution. Any management cliquers are probably going to be basically a blacklist entry if the rrat is found true.

[Anonymous No.]

One of the biggest counters to the claims of damages due to stock dropping is the fact that cover corp's stock is trending with anycolor stock
Now its a possibility that investors are just spooked and want out of this industry, but its going to be a relatively hard sell that an anycolor termination and subsequent drama caused cover stocks to also drop. An argument can be made that the stocks are reacting to something else and not Selen drama. Stocks are already complicated enough as is

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104907
I think it's because more people on the JP side see this as similar to Mel's termination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104267
It wasn't, and considering how the Japanese management doesn't speak English, this sounds plausible. I was surprised they didn't post a Japanese version considering the drama but they probably want to hide this from Japanese viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104460
Riku is keeping them all (all branches) in a room in their headquarters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104907
>stocks are reacting to something else and not Selen
Yeah, the NijiEN PR team if they even have one.
>Selen lawyer send out a HR complain
>Niji nip lawyer think she is going to sue
>NijiEN shit out a hit piece termination notice
>Their stock drop because of the backlash

[Anonymous No.]

>>69064343
At the exact same time as doki's stream started,
don't forget that vile shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104907
Cover stock is in the positive today

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105519
>>Niji nip lawyer think she is going to sue
I'm not sure that this even happened. I wouldn't be surprised if she was fired before legal even read the document.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69064558
Enna and Milie are definitely getting the can too, the clique will burn when the othr talents finally feel free enough to air grievances to real management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69068893
Canada has some of the strictest employee protection laws on the planet. They do not fuck around with that shit.

https://www.lawtimesnews.com/practice-areas/labour-and-employment/bell-canada-ordered-to-pay-a-former-employee-over-120000-for-discriminatory-firing/368506

Something like this is to be expected if it actually goes to court but worse due to breach of nda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69058097
Are trey going to court?
It sounds like Doki doesn't intend to for now at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69061878
Even if the GURRAT ends up being completely wrong, it obvious that EN and JP are disconnected.
>The statements for termination was different
>The things Riku apologized for were contextually wrong
>All information from EN side is gradually not being translate to jap

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106235
Almost certainly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69068893
100 lawyers LMAO you fucking mongrel
it would be cheaper to settle 6 figures in damages to doki than pay 100 lawyers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106358
Based on what?
Everything Doki has said implies she never/doesn't intend to sue.
Unless you mean Nijisanji suing Doki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104460
The play button shit is the funniest thing, because it's a trinket that has no real value to anybody but the talents that put the work in to achieve it.
Withholding them is the most comically evil decision they could make, and it's wild that nobody on staff had the ounce of sense needed to see that this looks really bad a PR perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69077533
Elira won't let it hapen. Selen would be the one who got away, literally after pushing her to suicide, a stain toher own sef-inflated pride and ego as the top dog of nijien.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106235
>>69106358
Well, t. OP, after this thread and thinking about the GURRAT I agree it'll probably settle

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106473
They wrongfully terminated her. Of course, she's going to sue.

[Anonymous No.]

>THEY BOUGHT THE DIP
>DUMP IT

[Anonymous No.]

jwu. why are guerat posts getting deleted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106571
OKAY WHAT THE FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106552
How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106594
NDF jannies

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106571
>>69106701
Shhhh.
Stock market is erratic, but I'm watching too, so I can make a celebratory numberchimp thread for 3000yen.
Might not happen today at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099347
>Defamation
How? Nothing they said was wrong or proven to be wrong. You'd also have to show Niji caused any financial damage to her and no, firing her doesn't count

>Harassment
People asking why you're breaking company policy and throwing people under the bus isn't harassment

>break of confidentiality regarding at least legal records and possibly medical records
Even Doki isn't making this claim anymore, it was perfectly legal to share a document that could possibly turn into a lawsuit to people who are mentioned in the document

>non-compensation for money used in projects after promises to do so (allegedly)
Dumb rrat

>wrongful termination
You are a anti NijiDrone

>embezzlement of company funds
You are a anti NijiDrone, retarded and a rrat believer. That's a triple whammy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106732
Canadian law has requirements for terminations without just cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69068893
lol

Anycolor lost both the Narukami case and the Yuzuki Roa case. In Japan, which should be a friendly environment for them. Their legal team is not exactly great stuff.

And you expect them to manage a major lawsuit in a foreign country when the facts are against them? I say again, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106811
I know, I just found it funny because it updated a literal minute later

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106926
And how do you know they don't have cause?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107068
Because the reason they gave for her termination was seeking legal counsel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69087693
The fact is, the besties are /here/ and the GURRAT has them pissing themselves and losing their heads knowing we're onto them, launching a NDF discord for their fans to counter with. A wounded beast backed into a corner does not think rationally.
I wonder what insane batshit nijiEN will pull next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106701
AIIIIEEEE MODS TELL DOWN PICTURE, THIS IS NOT VTUBER RELATION

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107068
Because if they had it, they would've stated it.
Nothing they stated would be considered cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69058097
I think its absolutely retarded and borderline malicious at this point to allow NijiEN to get away with this. Doki has everything needed to put a final nail into that entire cesspool of a rotten branch and instead of doing that and saving those either stuck in the branch already or stopping future talents from ending up there, she's just pulling the pathetic "uwu pls dont fight guys move on uwu" shit. Meaning this drama that could actually put down a shithole branch ruining peoples lives goes up in smoke. Anycolor just gets to shrug and move on and NijiEN gets to continue to ruin peoples lives. Good shit you pathetic weak minded idiot. You let them win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106701
BROS YOU TOLD ME THE LINE WOULD GO UP.
I'M FINANCIALLY RUINED AAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107278
skill issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107178
Where did they say that?
>>69107238
I don't care about hunches

[Anonymous No.]

>>69060139
if anything, it's more incentive to do so.

You messed up, you failed to save face, you got could just settle with an agreement on neither side talking about it again or saying they settled, drama ends, you get a chance to rebuild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69058097
Nothing will happen anon. Doki is a spineless coward who decided to just keep pushing the lets move on guys card which means NijiEN gets an undeserved second chance of just letting things end. Which means Anycolor won. Because Doki is spineless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107337
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481/photo/3

[Anonymous No.]

>>69100693
The July 2022 update the defamation law extended it to cover online. So yeah, things she said on twitter or on stream are fair game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102248
>-breaking NDA
>-leaking medical records

Doki stopped claiming they did anything illegal. It's blatantly not illegal to share a document that could possibly turn into a lawsuit to related parties involved in the possible lawsuit

>bullying her into a suicide attempt
Believe or not but being mean to someone isn't a crime even if someone kills themselves over it. It doesn't even sound like the livers were insulting but questioning why she was melting down on Twitter

>libel/slander
When did they lie?

>criminal harassment
Have fun proving that they harassed her when literally everyone in the company who would know about internal relations says it isn't true

>falsifying financial records RE: paying the artists
Dumb rrat

She has no case

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094030
Vox-sama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69059356
Big corporations are willing to give out settlements that total 10% of their gross annual revenue to avoid going to court.
They definitely do not want any lawyer (and teams of paralegals) having access to their communications, books, and project streams as a result of the Discovery phase of the suit.


That's why you rarely see corporations as litigants or appellants. You only see them as plaintiffs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107488
I am glad you are not a lawyer

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095274
the stock dip is the only major actionable harm. everything else is peanuts so far. they can't speculate on lost future money she could have earned them, that's not a result of her statements. they cant sue them for defamation and expect a positive result without trying to pin the entirety of their stock woes upon them. otherwise people were just talking shit online, and even JP law requires a reparable harm.

you could try to act upon some of the folks who are refusing to associate, and you have slightly more of a case, but then you have to try to compel other businesses to testify to the reason they stopped associating with niji. those statements in court if they say something like 'they treated doki poorly', well, that could be seen as more defamation by niji if they're backing this asinine legal theory that somehow anything bad is defamation. given that quite a few of these companies are incorporated in the US, you'd probably also have to try to compel companies from overseas to testify in JP court, that's just not happening.

my moneys on no actual lawsuit ever actually hitting a courtroom though, they're going to settle with some sort of clause of 'everyone shuts the fuck up' and move on. there might not even be any money that changes hands as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106926
Either somehow blatantly disregarding your manager, throwing your manager into a pit of lions online then accusing the entire company of harassment isn't a just cause of termination in Canada or Canada is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107625
The funniest part of Dokicucks are them just not having an argument. That and assuming lawyers don't slowly drain people of their money win or lose

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107178
It's pretty hard to prove this.

Selen and her lawyer was already in communications with Niji for weeks before the menhera doc was part of the picture. They only sent the menhera doc because Niji hadn't responded to selen's lawyer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107488
Damn another Riku student from the university of NUH UH

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107255
Anon, NijiEN is finished either way, by slow decay of operations or a sudden bang from HQ in Japan.
I'm not a good person, but I can understand why somewhat ill would not want the kind of vengeance you're implying. She doesn't want Elira or anyone else to be publicly executed nor dragged into mental problems and everything that implies. She wants to completely move on and start anew, either for moral reasons or to simply not have a permanently stained career.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107759
That's what she was suspended for. What she was terminated for is seeking legal counsel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69068893
It does happen all the time. Being cynical does not make you smart or even right.

It's true court cases are expensive and bad faith actors can put you through the wringer with appeals but courts do generally frown on that and there are almost always processes to throw out genuinely nonsense attempts to drag spurious hopeless cases through courts in bad faith - see what happened to the dozens of trump election cases that ended with nothing but irritated judges complaining about wasting court time for media attention.

In Selen's case if she was REALLY stuck she could easily crowdfund an employment law case like 10 times over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107880
if lawyers think they have a solid case they can just waive fees
doki is also going to be able to foot the bill for any legal fees necessary really, everything niji does is just galvanizing the support for her
not sure you understand how public sentiment works

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107905
I don't need to prove it. They wrote it in the termination notice.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1757257329945497672

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103195
The GURRAT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103736
>Elira quietly is the one hording all of the play buttons
Holy fuck, imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108049
wrong link, shit
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107928
Anon its called she's a weak minded coward. Anyone with a spine would realize that her nearly ending her own life twice due to a company's horrific internal issues needs to burn. The company needs to burn. She can pull the "lets move on" card once that's fine. She tried to move on. NijiEN said "Fuck you" and refused. At that points no good will is deserved. Its full scorched earth mode at that point. You gave them the chance, you warned them, you told them to drop it, they didnt. She has full validation to completely torch the entire company now by this merit alone. Her still choosing not to means she's a coward. She doesn't care that other EN talents are likely suffering the same thing she did. She doesn't care that future talents will suffer what she did. She just wants to shrug and move on. She's a selfish weakling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107391
Did you actually read that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107488
You are full of shit. Doki is suing nijisanji, not vox or anyone else. If niji needed to get statements and testimony from vox there would need to be an actual court case to start it wouldn't be a day after getting served and a witness would certainly not be given info like the entire document

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107278
That's just the CEO buying back stocks

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108311
The previous page has more context.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481/photo/2

[Anonymous No.]

Dookie named her dog after Amber Heard... let that sink in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108049
>>69108190
That's not what "seeking legal counsel" means. Seeking legal counsel means speaking to a lawyer, and Selen was not fired for talking to her lawyer.

She was fired for threatening to release a statement to the public about the harassment situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108561
Nigga, what? She calls the dog Amber because was previously named Ember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107928
> Anon, NijiEN is finished either way, by slow decay of operations or a sudden bang from HQ in Japan
Yeah maybe Doki had actually done the correct response and dropped the nuke. She just gave them a golden parachute to pleasantly glide down with. Nothing is happening to NijiEN now. It will be forgotten in a week. Doki just allowed the clique and bullies to continue to harass and ruin peoples lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108659
That's the issue. There's no chance that's cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107942
She was never suspended. After her meltdown, she attempted suicide and was being held in the hospital to ensure she wouldn't attempt again. They locked her out of her accounts because she was mentally unstable and it'd probably would cause her more stress if she started melting down online again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108825
Not according to this.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481/photo/2

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108277
>>69108713
Nigger, read. NijiEN is not getting any sponsors, fans, perms, or sponsors at the very least and will be heavily restructured or scrapped at worst. You don't really want what you're asking for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109065
>NijiEN is not getting any sponsors, fans, perms, or sponsors at the very least and will be heavily restructured or scrapped at worst
lol no none of this will happen now. Anycolor gets to "move on" thanks to Doki giving them a second life line. This drama is over. It's done and dusted. Nobody will care in a week or two max. Doki guaranteed nothing will come of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108942
This termination notice is horrendous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109065
if they merge with JP then they can get all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107278
> investing in japanese vtubing meme

retard it's like the people who try to be funny on wsb reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109249
What about the talents? Luca? Scarle? Aster? Elira? Vox? Ike?

[Anonymous No.]

Riku has nothing to gain and everything to lose from this shit. Lets say that riku managed to win this shit, what will he get? Throwing doki to cell? Some meager financial compensation?

Nijisanji EN goodwill is fucking toasted even if they win against doki. Publics already lynching them. They will be always in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109412
All traitors, only Kotoka has a bright outcome if she transfers to vspo en. She actually has some connection helping out their events earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108383
Doki herself said that the termination notice came 2 hours after she sent the document.

There's no way both parties signed an NDA over that document in 2 hours.

There just never was an NDA on that document.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109589
Then how does everyone go back to normal in two weeks max?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109708
Attorney's Eyes Only

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109342
If EN merges with JP, Anycolor's stock will crater. The stock is being sold on the promises of foreign expansion. If there is no foreign branch to expand, then the stock has no value and the majority of shareholders will either sell or be left holding the bag.
In order to escape this situation while preserving his bottom line, Riku has to also preserve the EN branch as a separate entity, and also restore investor faith that the branch can expand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109065
>anon actually thinks anything of note is happening now after what Selen just posted
Sorry anon. The meltdown has been averted. Doki just swooped in by herself to save all of NijiEN. They are probably jumping with joy over what she just did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109348
>wsb
I'm thinking for /biz/ in 2017, and again in 2021

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109708
Termination notice came 2 hours after the document was sent, but they started deleting her videos pretty much as soon as they got the document, which screams "foul play" to anybody with a brain.

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>>69109065
None of this is happening now because for whatever retarded BPD related brain damage related reason Doki has just saved the entire branch from dying. Nobody will even remember this in a month.

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>>69109949
She wins legally and NijiEN continues to die from the wounds of self immolation? I guess it's not as exciting, but it's not that bad.

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>>69110085
Regardless, it means there can't have been an NDA on the document. Maybe there was a verbal statement that it should be "attorney's eyes only", but it certainly wasn't signed by both sides.

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>>69110227
Assuming it was a typed conversation, it's pretty much the same.

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>>69110218
There is no winning legally. Nothing legal is going to happen. Doki has decided to uninstall the nuke button over some weak willed being the bigger person shit. NijiEN will just debut a new wave within the next few months and it'll be like nothing ever happened.

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>>69108383
Here are examples of when it's perfectly acceptable to break privacy agreements or confidentialy.

You are an idiot

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>>69110004
think about it this way, do you think any combination of flesh streamers are worth 2B?

vtubing as an industry is not like bitcoin before the normies got in

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>>69110227
I don't know who you're parroting, but you don't sign an NDA for medical documents. PIPA in both JP and Canada both says that only the patient can give express permission to disclose medical information. The talents shouldn't know the document exists if HR and Legal are doing their jobs, meaning that somebody's head needs to roll.

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>>69110563
Are you retarded? Sharing the confidential information is the problem.

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>>69110227
Also you don't sign an NDA for attorney-only documents, either. Because violating Attorney-Client privilege is a fast as fuck way to lose your license.

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>>69108942
They never said she was suspended in the termination either. Try harder

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>>69109065
If the rrats beyond the gurrat are true, and that Elira and co are embezzling funds, it may be why management/elira's clique is being so insane: they're getting caught red-handed and riku's coming for their necks, and the only way (in their minds) to do this is to silence selen.

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>>69111498
Are you retarded? There's an entire section about the lead up and her suspension.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481/photo/2

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>>69110920
Are you retarded? This is a long list of moments when it's acceptable to share confidential information in Canada

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>>69111676
Which is applicable?

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>>69108561
Not your best hook sister, try again.

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>>69111669
Are you retarded? They essentially said they took away her access to the account after she nearly killed herself and was in the hospital.

>While being considerate of her situation
Means they took away access to the accounts because she was mentally unstable

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>>69110131
>>69109249
>>69109949
You are what Doki is afraid of.
You don't want to see her happy, you don't want justice or an improved situation, you want to see this be dragged out for as long as possible in public for your entertainment.
>>69109342
There will be leaks either proving or axing current theory within good time, I'm sure of it. If the former, the implicated will not have a Vtuber career one way or another, period.

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>>69111498
We know how the clique handle stealth suspensions, it's kind of in the name, sister.

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>We are to the point where the most sensible and logical explanation is that NijiEN has suffered a hostile takeover from 3 anime girls that have abused the superpower of Knowing Japanese And English At The Same Time to run a shadow management and embezzling huge amounts of funds and resources for the benefit of their conspirators.
>The best explanation is that a bunch of anime girls that never grew beyond high school drama, nor experienced any work in the real world, have somehow tried to leverage Twittard Crusader Logic against a multimillion Japanese corporation.
I think I want off this ride.

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>>69111801
Bullet points 1,3,5 and 6

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>>69112363
Nothing else makes any sense, truly the Grand Unifying Rrat is a force to be reckoned with.

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With the current timeline of things, we know that selen was in communication with Niji for weeks trying to negotiate severance in terms favorable for her. At some point during this process, she and her lawyer wrote to Niji threatening that if she didn't get her severance, they would hold Niji liable for her suicide attempts which was caused by harassment. Furthermore, she threatened to go public with a statement if she wasn't allowed to leave with her severance.

Niji apparently doesn't respond for a while, so Selen and her lawyer send a document containing specific details about Selen's harassment claims. This document was written personally by Selen about her grievances and apparently contains a lot of private information.

However, it seems like a misunderstanding occurred here. Niji and Elira/Vox appear to think that this is a draft of the statement that Selen was threatening to go public with, so they panic, immediately terminate Selen, and put together that 3 stooges stream thinking that Selen/Doki is imminently about to release that doc publicly.

But then Doki tweets that actually that document was supposed to stay private between lawyers and she never intended to release this doc to the public, which confuses Niji/Elira/Vox because this was never clear in the communications. Apparently, there was a translation error going between the lawyers and presumably Selen's lawyer is using google translate as all communications have been in Japanese.

Niji claims that they never signed an NDA so they didn't break any privacy laws by showing the doc to Elira/Vox (which would have doxxed half of the company if they really believed Selen was going to release it). In either case, Niji and doki communicate again and realize that this was a miscommunication blown far out of proportion.

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>>69112132
They say in the middle of the second page that they couldn't come to an agreement with her over an apology so they suspended her.

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>>69111116
Attorney-Client privilege only exists between you and your own lawyer. It doesn't exist between you and the opposite side's lawyer.

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>>69112519
makes too much sense for why they decided to attack doki the way they did with the black video, the clique/management shot their own foot.

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>>69112432
No. You should read more about how confidentiality works.

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>>69112811
dont even try, it's probably the same retard who was arguing this same thing by repeating those points over and over again in the legal thread the other day

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>>69112650
There's also the possibility of a Counsel's and Expert's Eyes Only protective order.

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>>69112519
> we know that selen was in communication with Niji for weeks trying to negotiate severance in terms favorable for her.

source? all contracts have a severance clause what's to negotiate?

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>starting to believe the rrat that niji JP is being blindsighted by niji EN's management and couldnt understand the impact of getting rid of selen
this shit really does need to get settled out of court

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>>69113352
Never doubt the GURRAT, why else would it make them so worried?

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>>69112225
Yes this is what I want to see happen. Doki is going to fade into irrelevancy either way. Just like Sayu did. The only respectable option is to grab NijiEN by the throat and slam the plane into the tower together. Mutually assured destruction. No NijiEN gets to release multiple new gens within the next few months while Doki falls into Sayu 3view territory. Niji wins and she loses.

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>>69113352
It's about to burn when JP starts asking questions.

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>>69112650
You still don't sign an NDA for attorney-only documents because that understanding came free with your ffffffffffffucking license to practice law.