/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

You niggas know both sides can be correct right?
>Nijisanji is a black company
>Doki is a massive menhera

[Anonymous No.]

yes and that's the best part

[Anonymous No.]

its the most likely possibility

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>>68933699
Yeah but we hate Niji more, and it's easier to take Doki's side because Niji keeps fucking themselves up

[Anonymous No.]

Doki being a menhera is obvious you faggot she's a vtuber and she tried to an hero. The point is that the company is somehow far worse than that

[Anonymous No.]

>i attempted to sewerslide on my own but its all these peoples fault uee

people believe that shit? kek

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>>68933699
Elira, how could you...

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>>68933699
More like both sides are wrong. Everone in Niji is a piece of shit that should be shot on site. Death to all Nijiniggers.

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>>68933816
Ennacuck has awoken...

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>>68933699
For a menhera was her reaction to it on stream pretty controlled, either she is pumped full of meds to the point of numbness or her mental illness aint that bad.
I expected a full blown sperg out.

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>>68933699
a massive menhara would've tried to farm the drama. Take rushia for example. Doki didnt even mention anything about a court case until the other side outted themselves.

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>>68933699
There's a difference between both sides being right and one side simply using that as an excuse as to why they're more right.

[Anonymous No.]

"Both sides are wrong" is the last line of cope for when people realize the hill they decided to die on has been completely overrun.

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>>68933699
You are correct but everyone is too focused on how incompetent and BLACK anycolor is

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>>68933699
one of those is a good thing thoughbeit

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>>68933699
>correct
Both sides are moral? No.

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>>68933699
These are not equal bad things.

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>>68933699
You forgot the 3rd truth, OP is a faggot and should never be trusted.

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>>68933699
>Niji keeps openly attacking Doki and shooting themselves in the foot in the process through their own retardation
>Doki just retaliates to their attacks on her and only as much as necessary
>"Actually both sides are just as bad!"

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>>68933699
Yes but I only care about Niji's downfalling.

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>>68933699
Can both sides be retarded? Yes.
Is one side enormously more retarded right now? Also yes.

What's that lawyer friday video? The one were they just repeat "shut the fuck up"? That's what should be happening.

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>>68933925
People who believe only one side is right have more cope than those who believe both sides are wrong. Although Doki is a victim for the most part, she isn't as innocent as the mass population believes her to be.

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>>68933699
>get bullied for a long time
>develop mental illness
wow!

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>>68934320
>Although Doki is a victim for the most part, she isn't as innocent as the mass population believes her to be.
Explain further

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>>68934174
https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?t=35

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>>68933816
Why would you nijiniggers keep going after last night?

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>>68934401
>has a mental illness
>still tries to play a kayfabe of bullying people
>people bully her back in retaliation
>can't handle it so she rage quits and blames everyone else
WOW

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>>68933699
Let take review of their actions so far, that are morally wrong or outright scummy

Nijisanji
>Confirmed incompetent management that doesn't do their work and leave you to read
>Allegedly harassment from the management to their talents
>Allegedly harassment between talents
>Confirmed favoritism from management to some talents, in this case Luxiem
>Confirmed, slanderous PR announcements about Selen graduation, from the management
>Confirmed, slanderous PR announcement about Selen graduation, from the talents

Selen:
>Allegedly, slanderous claims about the talents and management of NijiEN
>Confirmed, recording private conversations between her and anothers talents of NijiEN without their consent
>Allegedly, weaponizing a suicide attempt without clear evidence
>Allegedly, a difficult person to work with
>Confirmed, that she saw everyone at NijiEN as a competition
>Confirmed, that she has borderline personality disorder
>Allegedly, planned all of this to use NijiEN as a stepping stone


From my strict point of view, I think that NijiEN is more on the wrong side, but Selen isn't a saint either, I honestly wish that both sides hurt each other so bad that we have more drama to talk about it.

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>>68933699
Yes but Niji fucked up their PR beyond belief. Doki could've killed Riku's family and they still would've come out looking like the villains

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>>68934445
he can't without coming off as a victim blamer

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>>68934566
>Confirmed, recording private conversations between her and anothers talents of NijiEN without their consent
i love how people act like this is a big deal

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>>68934566
>actions that are morally wrong or outright scummy
>has borderline personality disorder
???

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>>68934566
>>68934692
>>Confirmed, recording private conversations between her and anothers talents of NijiEN without their consent
One sided recording is legal in Canada, maybe NijiEN should care about the laws in the regions they operate in.

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>>68934451
Thank you!

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>>68933699
Selen was menhera.
Doki has been cured (of Kurosanji which was the cause of menhera).

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>>68934566
>Confirmed harassment from the management to their talents
>Confirmed harassment between talents

>Confirmed, recording private conversations between her and anothers talents of NijiEN without their consent, which is totally legal and fine.
>Allegedly, that she saw everyone at NijiEN as a competition
>Allegedly, planned all of this to use NijiEN as a stepping stone as all talent does

FYP

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>>68933699
>Ukraine is just as bad as Russia because you haven't given the Russian narrative a fair chance

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>>68933699
Any drawfag ITT? I feel like replacing cliff with the yacht would be a nice idea

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>>68934692
I would too if it were me. You'd be stupid not to.

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>>68934566
Canada doesn't require consent to record. At worst,, perhaps, a breach of manners. Boo fucking hoo.

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>>68933866
>Ennacuck
Anon, that's Enna herself. Be polite, say hi to her!

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>>68934692
It's kinda of a big deal if someone has been recording you for over a year, without your consent on private voice calls, it is a whole different beast from saving emails and discord logs, because you need to actively plan it beforehand with some purpose.
>>68934711
yeah, can't trust a bitch with borderline personality disorder, they are scum by default, see Rushia as an example.
>>68934737
I didn't say it was illegal, like you say totally legal in Canada, but still scummy and morally wrong.

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>>68933699
Doki sounds a lot like kid Simba

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>>68933699
You do know.. you aren't helping Nijisanji's case because Selen is saying they are the cause of her mental conditions right?

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>>68934910
>It's kinda of a big deal if someone has been recording you for over a year, without your consent on private voice calls, it is a whole different beast from saving emails and discord logs, because you need to actively plan it beforehand with some purpose.

1. you don't need consent
2. it's not a big deal if you're not someone that harasses people like vox

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>>68933816
contact your lawyer Enna instead of shitposting

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>>68934566
>Confirmed, that she saw everyone at NijiEN as a competition
And this is a bad thing why?

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>>68934622
I love this statement because of how true it is. The mass population of sheep vtuber fans are just blind to Doki's faults.

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>>68934910
recording harrasment is not morally wrong sorry NDF

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>>68934910
>but still scummy and morally wrong
Almost like she had a reason that is morally justified for recording them, sure makes you think doesn't it?

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>>68934910
>It's kinda of a big deal
if you're a piece of shit
>because you need to actively plan it beforehand with some purpose
or you know, you could just be by default recording all conversations, which a lot of people do

[Anonymous No.]

>>68934953
That should be the perfect mentality fo a niji tuber.

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>>68934825
Can you not bring /pol/ stuff here

[Anonymous No.]

>>68934910
>NDF when they pretend everyone with BPD is a Gravemind of parasitic toxicity

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>>68933826

[Anonymous No.]

Elira is so fucking hot bros

[Anonymous No.]

Guys please don't harass Selen -who is a LIAR btw- you guys, please done go to selens channel and harass her even though she *is* a LIAR, you guys please don't go to the LIAR Selen and harass her, even though is is a LIAR btw -Vox Akuma 2024 (paraphrased)

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>>68934860
>>68934910
It's not morally wrong--it's the only way you can protect youself when your corpo management and coworkers decide to screw you over and then throw you under the bus with lies. Without the receipts, they can deny all they want and laugh at your lack of proof.

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>>68933699
MASSIVE menheras don't react live like Doki did on the neopets stream. She was obviously shaken but was still as calm as possible in such situation. Heck, I would've flipped much more than her. This is not a MASSIVE menhera behavior. Therapy probably did her some good during the past month.

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>>68934910
Vox
>Harasses people frequently
Also Vox
>"But they recorded me :("

Have you tried not harassing people Vox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68933870

She was pretty upset though. It hurt to watch. Fuck them.

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>>68934937
We aren't helping Nijisanji's case. We are just saying Selen shouldn't be trusted.

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>>68935052
Fuck you faggot,I have to listen to you incels bitch about women bad, trannies and cultural determinism on the regular /here/. You will see how Nijisanji models their propaganda on that of Eastern Despots and you are going to like it.

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>>68934566
>Confirmed, that she saw everyone at NijiEN as a competition
Who mentioned that one? Musted have missed it somehow in this information overload

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>>68935205
>We
Who are these "we" you are talking about OP?

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>>68933699
i know

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>>68935203
Yeah she was, i would be too.
But she did not had a melty, which is what i thought they tried to force by syncing up the statement with her live perfectly.

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>>68933816
The fuck is sewerslide? Is this zoomer newspeak from tiktok or the retarded way phones autocorrect "suicide"?

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>>68934445
She was at fault for uploading the video and then telling others to do it.

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>>68934949
>you don't need consent
Like I said, yes, you don't need consent, but it doesn't make it morally right, actually it make it morally wrong.
>it's not a big deal if you're not someone that harasses people like vox
Kinda of a big deal, doesn't matter the person, because it violates the trust between coworkers, like I said morally wrong, not illegal at all, but then again >Canada
>>68935002
We don't know if it was harassment, it's most likely to be proof of management having favoritism to certain talents on NijiEN.
>>68934953
Make her a hostile coworker
>>68935006
this goes back to February 2023, which seem to point that she has been recording her coworkers since day one for future use
>>68935026
>if you're a piece of shit
Yeah, I agree on that, but Selen is trying to defend herself somewhat
>or you know, you could just be by default recording all conversations, which a lot of people do
On the phone yeah, but on Discord and private conversations on discord, it just morally wrong specially when is not work related
>>68935061
But it is
>>68935186
Yes, but this was planned with years of anticipation, it wasn't a last week or last month record, but a year of hundred of recording of your coworkers for future use
>>68935201
No proof of Vox harassing anyone so far, it all point that is Enna and Millie, and Vox recording is used as a proof of NijiEN favoritism with certain talents
>>68935247
Herself on stream

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>>68933699
>NDF has entered the bargaining stage

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>>68933816

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>>68935502
Sexo, would fuck

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>>68933699
I'm sure the truth is somewhere between these two positions. However, Doki is but one person who by all accounts wanted to put this shit behind her. Niji on the other hand is supposedly a "professional outfit" that has done nothing except act like a spiteful, jilted toddler since this who thing started

It is laughably easy to pick a side here

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>>68935300
They were pushing her buttons to make her shit herself in embarrassment live. They knew about her diagnosis and used that to undermine her credibility and gaslight the public. Absolutely despicable, unconscionable behaviour.

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>>68935480
>Like I said, yes, you don't need consent, but it doesn't make it morally right,
It doesn't make it morally wrong either? Idk what disconnect is going on in your brain.

>Kinda of a big deal, doesn't matter the person, because it violates the trust between coworkers
If a coworker came to me and said they've been recording my conversations I would probably crack a joke with them, and never think about it again. Why? BECAUSE IM NOT A PIECE OF SHIT AND I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING.

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>>68935627
Don't stick your dick in brown

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>>68935052
Now draw parallels between Putinist Russia and Nijisanji. I mean both are Black Companies.

>Being a company
Russia is literally a gas company i.e. Gazprom
>High turnover rate
One to death
>Power harassment
Dedovshchina
>Working employees overtime
3 Day SMO
>Suicide
Literally suicide squads
>Yacht
Yacht

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>>68935480
>No proof of Vox harassing anyone, even though he's directly mentioned in the harassment lawsuit

K

[Anonymous No.]

What happened? When this all first kicked off I made a thread saying 'It's possible we don't have the full story here' and people shitposted my thread into oblivion. Now everyone's got a more moderate take? Why?

[Anonymous No.]

The funniest thing out of all of this is how hard anons are defending BPD the mental illness. Not Doki, because I don't even know where the proof is that she has BPD, I mean anyone with BPD. I pray you do not meet one.

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>>68935480
>NDF
>ESL
Like gin and tonic.

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>>68933699
You can try to both sides it, but what has Doki done that's even close to the shit flinging from NijiEN?

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>>68933870
Are you fucking retarded people with BPD are completely normal between episodes (of mania/depression)

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>>68933699
You forgot
>Elira and her clique bullied a known menhera to near suicide

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>>68933870
Someone who just tried killing themselves is 100% going to be medicated to hell and back.

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>>68935825
She has talked about it multiple times and even had in in her bio prior to joining Niji. Fucking typical dramafaggot doesn't even watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68935340
It is a way to say suicide on other websites to not get your comment removed other examples are
>acoustic=autistic
>retired=retarded
>ninja=nigga

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>>68933699
There's something really worse in kurosanji than their ex-liver is a menhera

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>>68935825
My actual oshi has that and she manages it perfectly well with actually taking her meds

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>>68935825
BPD as in borderline personality disorder is quite manageable outside of extreme cases, especially if treated. on the other hand BPD as in bipolar disorder is a total nightmare and i wouldn't wish it upon anybody

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>>68935825
You don't even need to do reps just read threads anon, there's even a recent post >>68933348

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>>68935728
>It doesn't make it morally wrong either?
It does because is without the consent of the other party and without respecting their privacy or their relationship with you
>if a coworker came to me and said they've been recording my conversations I would probably crack a joke with them, and never think about it again
That's your opinion, is still morally wrong, not respecting privacy is wrong, you are like those guys that don't care about being surveilled by the government or companies, because they didn't do anything wrong, just a shit take doesn't matte what is the situation.
>>68935790
He is directly mentioned, because he was recorded against his will, and the record is about he complaining about the management cancelling the AR concert, and he's talking shit about the management, like he said on the PR stream on Elira channel.

We don't have concrete proof if there was harassment between the talents, and if there was, we don't have proof of who were the people harassing Selen. No one knows beside Selen, NijiEN and their respective lawyers.

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>>68936201
A personality disorder is incurable.

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>>68934975
The same people who claim to be anti-bullying will then proceed to gang up on and bully anyone who slightly disagrees.

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>>68935208
ummmmm aktually it's
>Doki=Nazi Germany
>Nijisanji=Rothschild controlled allies

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>>68933699
This but its the other way around. Menhera suffered consequences and wanted to drag her coworkers with her.
doki is the villain

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>>68936237
Who fucking cares? Whataboutisms are still whataboutisms

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>>68936316
who said anything about curing it? reading comprehension my guy

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>>68936314
There is nothing morally wrong about recording conversations. Period end

[Anonymous No.]

Elira and Selen are both fat ugly manupulative nutter bitches but id still fuck the shit out of both of their models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68936347
Except Niji was the first one to say any of the other livers were involved, and Elira was the one who said it was her, Enna, and Millie.

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>>68933816
>sewerslide
Millie out here wildin' in the storm drain

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>>68935728
Surely you're so much of a good Samaritan that you never complained about your job, your boss and other coworkers to a friend, right?

Fuck off, this is the shittiest argument DokiKeks give to such a blatant stain on her reputation. It's essentially just the possessive girlfriend argument of
>"If you have nothing to hide, show me your phone"

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>>68936314
>He is directly mentioned, because he was harassing her

Fyp

It's been well known for a long time that he's a piece of shit. Not sure why you're defending him so hard

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>>68936314
>No one knows beside Selen, NijiEN and their respective lawyers
then stop trying to pretend it was morally wrong to record him. if she believed she was being harrassed she was in the right to record it and deliver it to her lawyer. it would only be morally wrong to share it to other people outside of that specific scenario

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>>68935340
Niji management won't let Enna use Suicide so she has to get creative

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>>68935832
>NDF is anyone that doesn't think that Selen is a saint

Lmao, get a fucking grip anon. Only a retard believes 100% on something and don't question the messenger or the message.

I couldn't care less about NijiEN like I said on my first post, but does that mean I have to support Selen and kiss her ass? No.

This is why we make fun of /vt/fags on /jp/, you guys are worse than reddit, just a hugbox for manchildren.

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>>68936505
>Surely you're so much of a good Samaritan that you never complained about your job, your boss and other coworkers to a friend, right?
Like the majority of people I've met, if not being a dumbass and talking to shit to people who are paid to be around you makes you a "good Samaritan" then sure. Don't be dumb. No one is talking to you because they like you, they're talking to you because they have to

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>>68936575
>we /jp/
This is not something I'd openly admit ever with even myself. You should feel embarrassed

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>>68936426
>Nu uh
I accept you conceding
>>68936504
Not defending him at all, just defending the facts and don't take any side of narratives without proper proof.
>>68936535
It was morally wrong, just by the fact that she has been recording her coworkers since February 2023 like she herself proved it. The harassment claims are still not proved by either of both parties

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>>68936791
>Not defending him at all, just defending the facts and don't take any side of narratives without proper proof.
Some lacks knowledge

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>>68936873
>The knowledge and proofs
>
I accept you conceding

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>>68936791
>Nu uh
>I accept you conceding
Nice retort. Might as well say the god given line of "I'm not wrong the 20 other people saying I'm wrong are wrong!"

[Anonymous No.]

Nijinigs have literally nothing LOL
Their new argument is "Shut up Doki is an untrustworthy menhera... BECAUSE SHE IS, OK??"

yeah, of course she's menhera, she tried to kill herself over internet bullshit, what does that have to do with Niji's actions and why are you bringing it up when talking about a company with theoretical PR and lawyers making the biggest yabe a company can do?

>>68934975
>>68936322
>>68934622
Nijisanji could piss down your throat and you would find ways to claim it is your fault for deep throating their dick so hard.

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>>68936791
You're fucking retarded. It is not morally wrong to record someone you believe is harrassing you if you have no intention of sharing it outside of legal counsel. It doesn't matter if he was actually harrassing her or not, if she believed he was, which she did, she had the right to record it and seek legal counsel, which she did.

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>>68936984
>Doesn't back his claim or argument again
>Seethe about it again
I accept you conceding, have a nice day anon

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>>68934860
>Obvious liars who are gaslighting and attacking everyone while also demanding nothing is in writing so they can alter verbal agreements later

>WHY ARE THEY RECOOOOOOOOOORRRDDDIINNNNG MEEEEEEEEEEEE???? THIS IS JUST AS BAD AS BEING RAPED, I AM BEING RAPED BY SELEN!!!!!! (GIWTWM)

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>>68936575
>This is why we make fun of /vt/fags on /jp/, you guys are worse than reddit, just a hugbox for manchildren.


Self reported lolicon trying to preach about morals

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>>68933699
3 sides
>kurosanji
>doki bpd
>the clique

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>>68933699
Yeah Doki is menhera but was all this really worth it for Niji? The moment she tried to off herself she was in a victim position. Why not just let her graduate in peace.

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>>68934910
>It's kinda of a big deal if someone has been recording you for over a year,
one-sided recording is legal in canada so you can expose obvious liars. If she didn't have them recorded, they would just break every verbal agreement as well as harass her with impunity, which is why she started recording them in the first place.

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>>68937068
>Never even backed his own claim, claims other must be wrong


K

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>>68937108
Lolicon here. Don't lump me in with you faggots.

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>>68934910

>>68935186
It's funny because every nijinig in this conversation was going full FUD with "If Selen has proof why hasn't she posted them?" Until literally last night where they completely uprooted their programming to now be "WHY WAS THIS CRAZY WOMAN RECORDING US?".

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>>68936201
>BPD as in bipolar disorder is a total nightmare
Quite a lot of medication for it the worst problem is the side effects, lots of them cause .... heavy weight gain .... wait a minute

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>>68933699
She attempted suicide. That is as menhera as it gets. The question is if her menhera status was a result of bullying l and if that bullying was targeted and persistent without any cause.

Her lawyer reviewed it and sided with her. That means that they see this as a legal battle worth pursuing and potentially lucrative. That means that at least something Selen said is likely true based upon the evidence they reviewed.

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>>68936314
>That's your opinion, is still morally wrong
Morally wrong according to whose morals you fucking idiot? Morality is subjective, if that anon says his coworker recording him was not immoral, his word matters more than yours. Vox may feel that Selen recording him was immoral, but for Selen, and everybody else looking in, what Vox was saying was relevant to her harassment case and she was therefore morally justified in recording him.
>and if there was, we don't have proof of who were the people harassing Selen
Elira saying she, Millie and Enna were mentioned by name in the legal document sent by Selen's lawyer is quite implicating, I must say, though you are right we have no concrete evidence. However, keep in mind that the majority of info about this case has come from Nijisanji or their livers; Selen/Doki has tried to not mention any of these stuff in public.
Niji are shooting themselves in the foot, which is why people are taking Doki's side and believing the harassment allegations. If Niji hadn't been fucking up consistently throughout this whole drama, people would likely be able to look at teh allegations more critically.

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>>68933699
they're absolutely both true
niji obviously has loads of management issues and seems like a shitty workplace
and selen is a BPD menhera who is most likely an unprofessional nightmare behind the scenes and is benefiting from the drama wave


that being said, niji still deserves the huge ration of shit it's getting for handling this in the most fucking absurd way possible, and generally being scummy. like how retarded do you have to be to try to publicly assassinate the character of someone who just admitted they tried to commit suicide? when there's already a huge wave of negative opinions about your company? one of them is a half insane bitch and one of them is a 7 year company that should be staffed by experienced people. it's pretty hard to tell which is which at based on how they've handled this so far.
selen/doki doesnt have to be perfect and faultless to know that niji is fucking up big time and the greater of 2 evils.

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>>68937032
This.
People pretend that one-sided recording is illegal, it's not, it's only illegal to distribute without the consent of both parties even in shitholes that ban it like the USA. Sharing private recordings with your lawyer is fair game even in a place that outlaws it.

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>>68936575

ive posted on /mlp/ for trolling purposes and even the board that watches a literal cartoon made for little girls is less filled with butthurt manchildren falseflagging wrongthink and crying about it.

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>>68936314
>>68935480
evidence is immoral if it makes braku company look bad

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68937316
>Lawyer always sided to the client anon.

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>>68937441
that's a lot of buzzwords and little substance

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck are nijinigs gaining anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>68937506
>ESL
Lawyers can choose whether to take the case or not, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68937539
He's telling us he's a closet ponyfag but thinks he has superior opinions and tastes LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>68937441
Big fat dragon tits

[Anonymous No.]

It's fucking hilarious how NDF's stance just spun a total 180 degrees over the weekend from 'Anycolor was legally in the right to terminate Selen even though it might be morally dubious, too bad so sad don't break rules' to 'Nooooooo recording people's conversations makes you a bad person even if you have cause and are legally allowed to!'

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>>68935340
Jumping the gun uploading a video for her fans on Christmas, and making a tweet that makes niji look bad are her fault. The rest is niji's self inflicted incompetence.
Skinwalking, silencing her, terminating her without telling her instead of letting her leave amicably, bringing out bullying, outing ewiwa, enna, millie and vox, breaking confidentiality, having horrible management and worse PR.

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>>68933699
Yes, but she wanted to move on and stream neopets
Kurosanji was the one that went "wait, I'm not done shooting myself in the foot yet"

[Anonymous No.]

>>68933699
Yes, and?

Nijiniggers still catching massive Ls and everyone is pointing and laughing while this disgrace to the industry is up in flames from the in- and outside

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>>68935848
>Borderline personality disorder
>mania/depression
You actual fucking moron.

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>>68937357
agreed, i'm trying to view this as third party and being as neutral as i can because not all things are black and white but nijisanji is the darker shade of grey in this scenario
this has been said a million times on this board but their management and staff are hilariously incompetent to approve all these attempts to protect themselves, it makes them look desperate

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>>68933699
And if my grandmother had wheels, she would've been a bike. What's your point?

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>>68933699
that's probably the case

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>>68937819
two wrongs don't make a right, someone can be menhara and still not be in the wrong. they're not wrong because they're menhara, which is the argument here.

"hurr durr she's crazy ofc niji would fire her!"

instead of

"oh the black company did black company stuff"

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>>68937641
The funniest thing is Selen has never even vaguely tried to claim the termination was unjustified or somesuch; indeed, she wanted to graduate anyway.
All this effort is being put into hanging onto ground for Anycolor that she doesn't even give a shit about defending, and yet even the impartiality of the termination is dubious now with all the other dirty laundry coming out - from their own side no less.
All this would already have blown over if not for them heaping all that stuff about bullying and harassment into the public notice.

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>>68937916
the argument is more like, "we fired her and she flipped out"

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>>68938359
i haven't seen a single person make that argument. nijicope

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>>68936316
Tell me more about how you know absolutely nothing about the fundamentals of medicine.

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>>68938359
>"we fired her and she flipped out"

meanwhile
>selen disappears for 1 month after management suspends her and she tries to commit suicide
>niji terminates her
>she openly admits that for a month they were negotiating and arbitraging in good faith using lawyers
>niji opted to release a statement defaming her anyway and terminate her
>selen goes well that's fucked up but anyway here's my stream

Yeah definitely seems like she went "full mental breakdown" there anon

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>>68937636
dragon tits are now unethical to enjoy

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>>68939349
Even better

[Anonymous No.]

Cover has already shown how to deal with massive menheras. Just do only what is required and let the menhera self-destruct.

Niji, however, has opted to self-destruct themselves, while the supposed menhera has only done the minimum required of her for her case.

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>>68939349
i enjoy all tits regardless of ethics.

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>>68940244
>Cover has already shown how to deal with massive menheras

They literally have not

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>>68938857
wasn't she suspended for all of January?
I'm pretty sure it makes sense to suspend the account of someone who's clearly unstable so you don't have a fucking suicide live on air lmao

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>>68940408
the decision to part ways definitely occurred before or very shortly after new years, the rest of the time was arbitrage because niji can't terminate the contract without facing consequences. so they need to find a way to amicably do it, or pay the piper

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>>68933699
“muh both sides” deflection doesn’t work when one side is constantly digging itself deeper unprovoked.

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>>68936626
Except coworkers are able to be friends and they probably considered each other friends. So essentially friend 1 was trash talking his company to a friend 2, friend 2 recorded it then used it as legal ammo against the company and her friend.
How is this in any way friend 1"s fault? For having a coworker who is also a friend?

That's a good way to advertise autism

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>>68940396
They literally did.

>ride menhera until the wheels fall off
>cut cord and bail when menhera self-destructs
>leave menhera alone in pieces
>whenever menhera acts up afterward, ignore the crazy

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>>68933699
>muh both sides
Kill yourself.

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>>68937316
>
Her lawyer reviewed it and sided with her. That means that they see this as a legal battle worth pursuing and potentially lucrative

This has got to be the most retarded post in this thread. Do you really think all lawyers only take cases that they could win? Not a single one just agrees to take the case to get a payday?

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>>68941816
Nah.
If this "supposed" friend 1 had actually been a real "friend" and didn't hang friend 2 out to dry while friend 2 was getting railed by their black company, friend 1 wouldn't need to worry about ammo from friend 2 being used against friend 1.

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>>68934320
>she isn't as innocent as the mass population believes her to be.
This could be true in the end, but it's still going to be one girl lashing out over management issues weighed against that heavy termination notice, month of silence and now this "Message from NijiEN" shitstream
Doki could've been hard to work with or misrepresented some things as bullying, no one is going to agree with Niji's handling of everything since then regardless

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>>68940408
Does it also make sense to badger someone and their immediate caregiver for a statement about fucking video perms while they are in hospital recovering from a suicide attempt?

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>>68934910
>l if someone has been recording you for over a year, without your consent on private voice calls
And how do you know this?

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>>68942039
Except friend 1 was in the talks of quitting the company together with friend 2 which is the opposite of leaving someone out to dry then friend 2 decided to betray friend 1 and wear a wire to drag him into a court case.

Friend 2 sounds like a real snake

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>>68935205
You are actually helping Selen's case because for some god forsaken reason the people pissing on you are the ones pointing out the flaws in your logic but you don't listen or fix or adapt because that means having accepted being pissed on.
This almost feels like the territory of reasoning vs emotions in debating tactics.

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bOtH sIdEs

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>>68942096
the way her justifications are so jumbled makes it rather obvious desu and speaks to her having some personality disorder/ malice on her part
>vague accusations of harassment towards other members? potentially, nothing substantiated
>vague accusations of harassment from management when all we know for a fact is that Selen is financially irresponsible and breaks rules constantly
>vague anger at the cosmos, the elder gods, Cthulu and the demiurge for putting Selen on this impossible path where everybody else is just constantly trying to drag her down

>>68942304
if they're a retarded cunt crybully who can't follow rules and have vaguely threatened to slander your other employees and business at large, yeah. in fact I'd say it's sad the bitch didn't succeed but frankly I wouldn't even put it past her to have done it deliberately as an act of escalation towards management considering she's been plotting this in her menhara brain for over a year now

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>>68942304
You guys are worse than twitards. When did we ever care about a menhera anime girl who made a shit suicide attempt? If she was that distressed, she should've taken at least a year to get therapy and get away from the internet, but she's back at it. It's just attention-seeking.

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>>68942732
you realize that workplace harrassment is not uncommon in the slightest, and probably part of the standard for an agency where you have to work with other talents where your achievements and subscribers are constantly weighed against the others, you know that, right?

In what world is the company the more trustworthy party?

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>>68942941
lmao okay Vox. Abusers and people like them are the only ones that actually think "They could have left the situation if they didn't like it" is a good defense.

You and people like you are losers, and will continue to be losers. Doki is unironically getting her just desserts, sorry. Because the thing that abusers seethe about the most are when their victims actually don't shut up and stay quiet. How does it feel?

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>>68933699
We know that, it's about how Niji handled all of this, a fucking disaster.

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>>68942941
>When did we ever care about a menhera anime girl who made a shit suicide attempt
>we

I don't know, Anons [sic], you (plural) tell me.

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>>68942941
>When did we ever care about a menhera anime girl who made a shit suicide attempt?
when the board has a chance to shit on niji, it will. I was fully on that train too until I found out she had bpd, which is probably the only thing that could have turned me against her

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>>68933699
I'll side with a menhera bitch rather than some rich Japanese cunt 10 times out of 10.

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>>68943274

It took that little to change your mind, eh? How about now?

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While both scenarios could be correct, Nijisanji did not help themselves at all. Elira straight up killed her own reputation in one day because she had the retarded idea to host that video on her own channel (or possibly agreed with management that it was the right decision, both scenarios are equally terrible), and implicated herself, Millie, and Enna as the bullies in the court case involving Selen.
Nobody is going to trust them again after what happened last night.

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>>68942941
>When did we ever care about a menhera anime girl who made a shit suicide attempt?
Green triangle good

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>>68936324
Nijisanji = Trump = Nazis = Russia
It all makes sense.

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Yes, but a company that is responsible for the income and a very sizable aspect of their hundreds of employees’ lives deserves to be much more scrutinized than one individual employee who broke contract obligations — especially if it is well documented that said employee was treated poorly on a consistent basis and there is reason to believe many employees are treated just as poorly. Basically, Niji wins the retard race. The multibillion dollar company keeps looking worse and all it took was one menhera employee being pushed over the edge. Pretty embarrassing for Anycolor

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>>68942967
because everything about her behavior as mentioned both from management and other livers suggest that she's uncooperative, erratic/unstable and difficult to be around. shit like being massively irresponsible with your own finances or needing to have shit your way and suicide baiting when you don't get it are giga red flags, that cannot be overstated
the suggestion here that she's perfectly easy to be around these episodes, whether she claims to have been bullied or not is beyond ridiculous

that's what you do when you're not sure if you can trust someone's word about a situation. you look at their pattern of behavior

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>>68943431
That kinda explains why she's willing to grind out so much apex to be top of the leaderboards to me.

I figure that anyone who does that has to be insane, either like extremely gifted to rainman tier levels where being a god a shooters is their singular talent in life, or they have nothing else to do but grind for the leaderboards.

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I still wonder what was so fundamentally wrong with the perms of the cover music video that selen seemingly had no hope it could be edited and reposted.

Her desperate actions in that moment may have started this chain of events, but nijisanji seems to be allergic to taking literally anything other than extremely stupid actions since them

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>>68944247
these episodes aside*

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>>68944319
not to mention how mindlessly competitive someone like that has to be (or just insecure) and Selen mentioning in the past how she views all the other members as "competition"
and now basically confirming that none of them very easily get along with her (I wonder why)

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>>68938143
This is the one thing I don’t understand when it comes to people who are vehemently defending Nijisanji in this. This entire situation wouldn’t even be happening if it weren’t for Nijisanji shitting the bed in their termination notice. No one not even the schizos /here/ with their strongest rrats was expecting fucking bullying to be mentioned in the termination letter.

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*records your bullying*

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>>68942370
If that were truly the case as you described, then great, friend 1 can now corroborate friend 2's case in court as a witness. If friend 1 were a real "friend" in the first place rather than a mere colleague or coworker looking out for their own self-interests and job security, that is.

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>>68944247
>you look at their pattern of behavior
You ought to exmaine Nijisanji's pattern of behavior as well or just look at how they kept contradicting themselves with every statement release.

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I feel like I'd be more likely to buy "there are bad people on both sides" if everyone who worked with Selen didn't have great things to say about her. The only negative opinions I've read have been from people on Riku's dick and or payroll.

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>>68945918
The fact a friend just chooses to wire trap you when you speak to get dirt on you and the company you both work for is scummy and most times, a betrayal and breach of privacy. Especially if a lawsuit is involved in which you initially planned on leaving peacefully together.

That's like two siblings planning to run away from an abusive home then one chooses to burn the house down, without telling the other sibling, while the other sibling is still in there. It is an extreme betrayal

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>>68942941
>When did we ever care about a menhera anime girl who made a shit suicide attempt?
As opposed to coming to 4chan to dickride the corpo?

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>>68947854
>initially planned on leaving peacefully together
It didn't turn out so peaceful after all, did it?

>That's like two siblings planning to run away from an abusive home then one chooses to burn the house down, without telling the other sibling, while the other sibling is still in there. It is an extreme betrayal
Naw, the second sibling should've gotten the fuck out of the house the moment their abusive parents pushed the other sibling out the window of the second floor and then tossing bricks at her body. Doing nothing to help the other sibling proves perfectly proved just how good a friend the second sibling actually was.

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>>68950010
Why the fuck would Brother Vox just be okay with Sister Selen just planning to burn him too? If anyone in his situation found out that the person that he was going to leave with in solidarity was secretly plotting to throw him into a fire, he'd be pissed and call off the whole thing. What would you want him to do? Throw himself out the window along with Selen then start bashing his head in with a rock?

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>>68934401
Kek this

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>>68933699
Yup. Holochads sitting back and watching them expose each other.

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>>68950010
Why the fuck would Brother Vox just be okay with Sister Selen just planning to burn him too? If anyone in his situation found out that the person that he was going to leave with in solidarity was secretly plotting to throw him into a fire, he'd be pissed and call off the whole thing. What would you want him to do? Throw himself out the window along with Selen then start bashing his head in with a rock? Plus Vox did try to help by making the plan to leave with her and trying to understand why Selen started to just sabotage herself

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>>68947854
It however implies there's dirt to dig on the company.

Like people who are terrified that they're gonna get called racist. Anyone who genuinely isn't doesn't have to worry about that. Cause it's like you go 'okay, but how?'.

If I found out my mom recorded me talking about star wars for four and a half hours complaining about the sequel trilogy, that'd surprise me, but how would it offend me? What would I have said that I'm worried will get 'exposed'?

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>>68934910
NTA but if I think if Selen is the target of the bullying directly by the one she is talking to then she is free to record. However, if I want to shit talk somebody else while talking to Selen and she still records me and uses that recording to destroy my reputation, then she is a shitty friend.
TLDR in this instance i think selen is in the clear for recording her bully

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>>68951807
This is the argument most people have for surveillance states. It is a breach of privacy to constantly record someone. Everyone has something embarrassing they wouldn't want people to see or have said fucked up things to their friends as jokes. If you're saying you don't, you are a liar.

You don't record your conversations with your friends secretly to try getting private information out of them, it is a fed move

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>>68933699
So has any of the NijiEN vtubers manage to stay completely out of this ? Seems like they're all force to support / retweet stuff.

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>>68952183
Vox was clearly not mentioned as being a bully, I don't know where you fuckers keep getting this shit. He explicitly said he was on Selen's side up until he found out she recorded a conversation with her to get dirt on Niji giving preferential treatment to certain members for her court document.

I legitimately don't know what else he could have said to be more clear

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>>Confirmed, that she has borderline personality disorder
Where? When? I ain't denying it, but where the fuck does this confirmation comes?

I blinked once and am now lacking critical information.

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>>68933699
absolutely, but there is nothing wrong with being menhera is its menhera energy is properly channeled to achieve creative goals (its called passion) while being a black company is always bad

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>>68952594
She will carry on Pomu and Selen's legacy

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>Doki is a massive menhera
She's small potatoes compared to Michael the Cat, and yet Holo and their "JP company autism" handled it extremely gracefully, there's no excuse here

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>>68952641

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>>68952785
She retweeted the blackbox stream, so unless you can prove she isn't being skinwalked she took a knee as well

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>>68952641
Damage control. "She was always the ebil demons, so us blasting her gracelessly is completely justified, plez stop dumping stonks".

She NEVER shown any sus behavior during her time as Selen, or before as Dokibird. Now VERY conveniently she became an unhinged schizo menhera that threatened to 9/11 the entire Anycolor company and every person within. By posting a fucking MV. That her managers knew about for a full fucking year. Shit's unreal.

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>>68952594

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I'm a professional attorney and my opinion is that they are both going to lose. Anycolor will have reputational damage that will cost them money. Her only chance at winning is by pursuing cases against her ex-coworkers. Siragusa v. Taco Bell Corp. (1:23-cv-05748) clearly sets the precedent for how her case against Anycolor will end.

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>but she's menhera

awww look at our poor copesanji sisters clinging to absolutely nothing

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>>68952924
I can't prove it but Nijsanji doesn't have any integrity left either I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

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You cannot operate ethically under capitalism

And this is further proof

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>>68953130
>Siragusa v. Taco Bell Corp. (1:23-cv-05748)
>New York
Canada is a *tad bit* more pro-employee.
I do not think you can use an US-case as precedence for this situation.

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>>68953274
Hololive can, and Marx was more of a privileged manchild than even the Niji-livers.

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I see Vox got all his femcel simps working overtime now with yesterday's stream.

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>>68944247
>suck my dick
>no
>the employee is uncooperative and should be fired

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>>68953348
Canada almost always follows US opinions in cases like this. You just need to take a closer look at the facts.

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>>68934320
>I was justified in killing her because she was caught jaywalking 3 years ago
>seee both sides did something wrong
Are you retarded?

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>>68953274
This subhuman jew never worked a day in his life and was a deadbeat dad to a bastard with a live in maid. He was also thoroughly debunked by Carl Menger.
Anybody following or taking anything he has written seriously needs to be tortured and killed.

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>>68953407
>Hololive can
Relatively speaking and only as far as you know. We do not know the actual conditions of their contract, their rights as workers, if they even have insurance or any form of worker protection.

>Marx was more of a privileged manchild
Doesn't change the weight of his idealogy nor the necessity of standards that guarantee the safety and eithical treatment of workers.

Hell if Dokibird proves successful it'd will be yet further proof that workers should seize the neans of (content) production.

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>>68933816
Are you still going with this?
That's the true kek

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>>68953760
>Doesn't change the weight of his idealogy
You're right about that. That shit is so heavy that it dragged down every country that attempted to follow it.

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>>68935340
were you never taught to use context clues? i thought the Common Core kids would be dumber...

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>>68933699
Not saying doki isnt some flavour of menhera, but Id be amazed if she was actually bpd, because this would be the mildest case Ive ever seen, and Ive been surrounded by people with bpd diagnosises for all my adult life.

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>>68953641
I'm not a legal, but I've found a site with cases where the court decided in favor of the plaintiff
https://instituteofworkplacebullyingresources.ca/case-law/
https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/29714
I do not know how often these cases are made.

>>68953760
Honestly, I would not be surprised if Tanigo would be selling his majority shares to the talents.
Worker-run companies can work. Where I'm from we even have tenant-owned housing orgs. Those are rare and very sought after for their favorable conditions. Especially in this market.
But I'm not under the illusion that the distribution of the means of production can be forced by the government.
Communal administrating never works on the scale of millions. History has shown that.
It can only work if you, figuratively speaking, can burn a piece of dogshit at the doorstep of your official.

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>>68952837
How is someone attempting suicide not a massive menhera? Normal people would just tell the company to fuck off and continue their life.

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>>68935480
I'm not reading all this, but why are you sucking cock so much?
Do you own Niji stock?

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>>68933699
This whole thing would've just been Selen sperging out and becoming Rushia 2.0 if NijiEN wasn't taking every damn opportunity it can do validate her and make her look like the victim. This whole thing is self-inflicted by NijiEN.
No matter what you think about a menhera girl having a menhera moment, it's nothing compared to an entire fucking branch going menhera in public in response.

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>>68953685
Even his greatest masterpiece "On the Jewish Question"?

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>>68934566
>>Confirmed, that she saw everyone at NijiEN as a competition
She sees everyone on NijiEN as competition, because that's precisely what they are.
That's just the workplace environment that AnyColor has built their company on. When you don't pay your talents a proper salary then you're forcing them to fight for a bigger share of the supperchatto pot.

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>>68933699
Is it really that hard to believe that a toxic work environment can lead to a person's mental state deteriorating?
And doesn't that put the blame on the company for not having a culture that would keep the mental health of its talent safe?

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>>68954128
They're not common and the burden of proof is fairly high. She really needs to have enough receipts to prove her case. Anything less than clear and overwhelming evidence is going to lose.
https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onhrt/doc/2013/2013hrto1259/2013hrto1259.html is a good example of not meeting the level of proof she would need.

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>>68933699
Think of a messy relationship breakup where both parties were shitty to each other, but then a month later one of the people is trying to move on and forget about it and the other person is stalking their ex and slashing their tires. Guess who is in the wrong.

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>>68936201
>BPD as in borderline personality disorder is quite manageable outside of extreme cases, especially if treated
Then explain Mikeneko

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>>68937810
Does she have bpd or bpd?

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>>68956231
She's the edge case.

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>>68953922
I mean, that green text is general enough that you wouldn't get it, so it's a terrible example it has no context clues to speak of and it just rhymes with suicide, that's the only reason it's being used.

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>>68944319
It doesn't help she's fat.

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>>68933870
>For a menhera was her reaction to it on stream pretty controlled
Did we watch the same thing? She became a blubbering robot. It is like she was scrambling for pre written pr things to say.

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>>68953274
Ethics are a fabrication of your masters to trick your fellow slaves into policing themselves.

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>>68934445
I am sure it is as simple as her carrying her haha toxic personality over to behind the scenes thinking it is all bants and fun and then being shocked that people don't like her.

t. guy who used to that and was universally hated until I just stopped caring