/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>this is the power of Doki
Holy fuck! She’s doing a lot better on her own than Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
I detest kurosanji, but I have to be honest, 4/5 of people waiting and watching are just fishing for drama, if the numbers won;t change after a month or two, I will be wrong, and I don't think I will

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
Grudge post bait but I'll still laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>OOH OOH AH AH BIG NUMBER
Go back to your containment thread, subhuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>only 10% compared to her "debut" stream
Grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
She destroyed Niji EN
So that's the drama buff
Wait a month down the road and then start asking questions

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717521
Ok, Enna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>inb4 trauma buff
I don't think Nijisanji has realizes how much of their business Doki took with her. It's not just drama tourists watching, but fanartists, Twitch Streamers, Holofans, Large Indies, Phase fans, Vshojo fans - Nijisanji canceled themselves in the West.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad she's around and streaming and free but me know when she streams actual games instead of shilling merch preorders and fishing for superchats. Her first 3 streams are just literally "hey give me money"

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717547
>as good as the average holo
that's pretty good actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
To be honest, I watched her return stream looking for drama but she's actually just ridiculously entertaining, I haven't had more fun watching a stream in months. Now I don't even care about the drama I just want to watch her laugh
t. a reformed drama tourist

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717800
She was starving under niji's 2% so I'm letting this one slide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
the dramafags left after her first stream

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717902
So around 150k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
Take those numbers with a grain of salt, as many are watching her because she is "big thing" of this week and not everyone is going to stick for the long haul.
Still, she is probably going to get a big enough boost that when her numbers will stabilize she will still be one of the biggest indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717800
Her first stream she made no money and just chatted shit about neopets and warrior cats to drama tourists for 2 hours. Second one was pure shill and update stream which is fair enough. This one is drawing and zatsu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718003
This, of course she's not going to be this popular forever but she's doing pretty good compared to most FOTM

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717484
fell free to screencap, as an oldfag I am rarely wrong, with time you will understand the machinations of vtubing as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>27k
GET FUCKED NIJI!

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718171
Is there a way to check on the number of memberships? Because it seems like there's a lot of people joining those, which means actual money compared to subscribers and watchers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
Who is sitting in a waiting room for hours for drama? I think that's just people having fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718104
>what is streamlabs 1st stream, monetization, merch oreorders, superchats 2md stream, and now members 3rd stream
Dumb ass she's making bank

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718363
I… I don’t feel so good…

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718397
>Who is sitting in a waiting room for hours for drama?
agenda seeking twitterfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718504
you know what, you're right, she should've stayed in niji, content with her 2%

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
Drama is done, it's blown over as she said she wants to move on. Her success being a reminder to those stuck they can have a better life though..

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>she’s also getting a new model
BASED! FUCK NIJI!

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717547
Hey numberrot fag, its closer to 25% of her debut stream and if you wanna be flippant with some numbers lemme throw a couple at you

1. Still getting 2x Gura after a couple streams
2. Still getting 3x-6x most other HoloEN talents
3. Getting numbers that only Pekora, Marine and Miko can achieve

[Anonymous No.]

>holofags insisted for years that Pomu and Selen were nothing special
>Selen leaves kurosanji and is now averaging 20k+ viewers per stream
>anons are now acting like this is a huge win for holofags in the All Out War, even though it proves there are in fact great vtubers outside of the blue dorito
you guys can admit you were just being tribal autists now. I'm happy for her, hopefully this convinces Pomu and Rosemi that they don't need a corpo either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
My prediction is she'll average between 1k to 3k in a month from now, will remain 4 digits anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718104
>people pay money for this crap

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718914
>I feel sad and suicidal THEY ARE PICKING ON ME!!!!
Yep… that’s the only way.

[Anonymous No.]

without games, this is what it feels like to be Marine or Miko, so enjoy it as much as you can girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
I just went back and watched her return stream and that shit is 100 percent botted to hell and back, the chat moves slower then the average hololive EN chat

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718914
>>68718834
Guys… she is being botted into oblivion

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719334
Why are you like this? Why can’t you be happy for her? Why would you say bots?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719416
prove it then sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>Her first stream: over 100k viewers
>Her second stream: over 30k viewers
>Her third stream: under 30k viewers
See a pattern?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719536
>holo numbers
She's welcome any time

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719416
proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719536
>First stream: over 29k viewers
>Third stream: under 29k viewers
wow she has near 100% retention, impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719696
She will never join a Japanese corporation again, pitiful beggar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719696
Jap corps are all tight son, they might compete with each other but they'll side with each other over their workers (especially their fired workers) anyday. Selen will NEVER be a Holo, the Jap corpo hivemind will ensure she never gets work in that country again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719536
What do you think happens to every vtuber who debuts and redebuts? Tell me the numbers for the first 3 streams for every member of HoloX and Advent

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719853
Good, the quicker that JP Corpos autism makes them lose the overseas market to Western Corpos and Indies, the better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719853
I would think the attempted suicide would be a bigger reason that a JP corp would avoid her as a talent, not that a black company sacked her.

[Anonymous No.]

>lumping kurosanji and hololive together
nijisister cope is getting sadder every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719853
No Japanese corporations you say? Hmm... Does she like backpacks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
This is right now the drama tourism power nothing else, soon they will leave
it's good for her algorithm and shit, but holyshit a chat this fast is so annoying
just waiting for the Garfield kart stream a an actual fanbase experience

[Anonymous No.]

At this point, I got a feeling some anons are doing this just to gudgepost in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
I know people are fishing for NijiEN's downfall but this anon is right. It's more than possible she'll pull a Pikamee and wind up bigger outside of Niji than she was inside, but expecting her to continue pulling the near-30k she is right now have to be newfags because debuts and post-drama are always big buffs. Average viewership takes a bit of time to settle. But pulling her old Niji numbers as an indie would still place her in the top tier of indies and coming out with more would only be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68721888
I mean it looks like she mostly settled by the 4th stream more or less, so I guess next stream we'll see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719856
debut Fuwamoco 117k peak
1st Fuwamoco morning ep0 38k peak
2nd Fuwamoco phogs 16k peak
3rd Fuwamoco Q&A 18k peak
4th Fuwamoco morning ep1 28k peak
5th Fuwamoco typing of the dead 14k peak

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
While she is still in the honeymoon phase, she'll never drop to what she was when leaving Niji.
She broke NijiEN's record, and safe to say she will remain above them for now on. It's more unlikely that NijiEN will recover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717870
She's so fucking excited about the stupidest shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718929
She was already a 2k and just got a massive burst of exposure. I'm predicting 3-5k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>be 1view
>join corpo and promote yourself on their dime
>burn money like a retard
>corpo tardwrangles you and look like the bad guys
>get yourself fired and play the victim
>earn ton of pity money with no corpo cut
LEXbird

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719536
Yes because other streamers keep their debut numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717958

[Anonymous No.]

I just think it's funny how /#/ is hating on her because she has bigger numbers than most holos now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68723693
>>68717958

[Anonymous No.]

No one finds it odd how happy and fast she is making projects? It's the first person trying to get out of chat that I know of that is back to normal and better, in general those people always have that thought in the back of their head or putting up a giant facade it's weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>68723707
>sisters raiding /#/
RETARD FIGHT

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724114
saddest people smile the brightest, I hope she can heal now that she's out of that hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724098

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724114

[Anonymous No.]

>>68723707
Numbers is by far the gayest thread on this gay board because it's a bunch of holoredditors who normally would say "N-NO STOP TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS" but because it's their 'team' winning they're all about numbers until they start losing and then they're salty as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck it Dragoons are back baby. What you gonna do about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would she add "dragoons" as an option?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
It is not just drama baiters. She was in the news so half the people are there to just check her out

[Anonymous No.]

I, for one, love being a Dragoon

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717775
Hololive fans stand by Doki's side

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
*sigh
negligible

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724114
It's her personality type: The workhorse. She's happy as long as she's doing something and seeing progress. It's like the stereotype of the dad that always has a dozen projects in the works in different states of completeness. What contributed to her suicide? Getting her projects shafted and stalled over and over, despite her going around management to push them forward anyway. Can't sit still.

[Anonymous No.]

Is she allowed to just keep dragoons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719334
nah, lots of people are just lurking to see if there's statements/developments while it's on the background, it's what i did

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724913
Because it's genuinely funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724979
Dragoons for life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717579
She's making more money in just this week than most nijis will make in a year anon...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm proud to be a gooner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725139
It's just a word. Nijisanji didn't trademark it. I doubt it was in her contract because they always figure that shit out post-debut. As long as she doesn't use the old design she should be good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
most will fall off if she does Apex spam again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725309
*when

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I'm thinking nijisanji did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

WTF the ccv went up from 28 to 31k

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
Which is why people won’t stop joining Holo or Niji after all. If you a 2 view shitter you just have to join and leave on Good terms (with the fans) and it will be worth it

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724966
I'm going to save her views for the next 3 months and then we'll see

[Anonymous No.]

Is /#/ mad that an indie is destroying them

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725529
>holo
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

I hope this comes with a new design
I honestly never the default dragoon design
chonky and longneck were fine, but the default one was so generic

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725424
>FUNKO
BUYING IT
>not YOUTOOZ

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>31k
Nijisanji status????

[Anonymous No.]

31k watching
24k actively voting on the poll
UNLIMITED POWER

[Anonymous No.]

damn shes declining...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725424
>he's not watching the stream
sasuga catalog

[Anonymous No.]

>>68726979
The engagement number is insane
1/3 - 1/5 vpv is the usual ratio

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724913
Because unironically every other option ranges from awful to meh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719416
she ran several polls and got like 27k responses out of 31k viewers which seems like pretty good engagement

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717547
Unless they are botted like Salome this is normal and much better than niji's debuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724114
she prolly also has TONS of people reaching out offering help and ideas. having that kind of support is definitely a motivator, in addition to all that's already been mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

Even if her longterm CCV is only 2-3k, those are great numbers for someone not getting 2%'d by a corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
Niji lost…

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717775
keep dreaming. nobody watched Selen, nobody will watch Doki after the drama gigabuff wears off. She's simply not entertaining enough to hold this kind of audience. There's just nothing there, she's mid at best, and thats being generous. Once people have all the pity and sympathy out of their system and realize she's not going to be dropping any pipe bombs, its back to 600ccv

[Anonymous No.]

NDF here we love Selen and will always support Doki in all her endeavors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68724114
Anon, this isn't a "I'm gonna do that tomorrow" for a year situation like most ADHD people have on this board. Doki is motivated workaholic and she'll die trying to get shit done cause it honestly makes her happy to craft and do projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
shes going to pixellink for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733857
>600ccv
Thank god you left the most retarded post of your post at the end kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>68721888
Take into account, an indie with say 3K viewers and taking in 100% of their revenue is doing A LOT better financially than a Niji with 6K viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733994
>pixel
Dead… she would rather not have any more companies attached to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
Maybe. A lot of people are just finally giving her a chance. You'd be surprised how many people will only consume hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717870
okay Doki, quit shilling yourself, nobody believes that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734078
>taking in 100% of their revenue
Are you retarded, do you even know how streaming works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733872
>NDF supports Selen
Wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
dramafags (Me) left after the first stream when she made it concrete that this was the last she’ll shit on them in a meaningful way
anyone else still lurking is retarded or really desperate

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734229
Unless you're trying to get anon on a "Gotcha!" about the Youtube cut making it 70%, then no it's 100% of revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733857
>Back to 600
Lol wasn't people doki doing 2k in the black company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725309
>if
the spam is coming and it will severely isolate her audience, probably will see the days people are trying to memoryhole of her being shat on for crying over alex tournaments

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734146
You'd be surprised how many people once watched NijiEN until they got tired of it shit and moved on. We will see if she can actually manage to keep them around this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733857
She's going down every stream, so your prediction is on track.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725139
A dragoon is unironically a word that already existed in English and for the longest time I thought that's what she meant but then I realised it was just a portmanteau of dragon and goon. So I doubt Niji has any special copyright over the word.

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>>68734229
Nigger kill yourself. I'm aware of the cuts of the platform takes, it's not like YouTube doesn't take a cut of Niji talents either so I thought it would be obvious I meant earnings after platform expenses since it would be redundant to say that. Retard.

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>>68733857
>most subbed and watched nijien girl with average 2-3k ccv
>nobody watched Selen, nobody will watch Doki
I see you've been issued the strategic reserve of copium from the Niji HQ's cellar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734583
Who the fuck watches a corporation

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734627
This is why Cover ensures its talents have unique fanbase names, even a talent like Bettel has his fanbase being named the "Bettelion" instead of just battalion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733857
I never watched Selen but after this shit show I decided to check her out and I'm happily surprised with her exciteable personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
pretty good numbers for a dog faced male collab whore, but it won't last. it's a hype wave + botting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734109
trust me im an insider just you wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
Dramafag here! I only watched her first stream, I won't watch her anymore because she's not Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735533
based Holobro. She got her complementary 1 stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734016
do you really think she's going to be doing better numbers than she was as Selen a few months from now? when all the tourists are gone, minus all the diehard niji fans? no one else is getting onboard. hololive fans sure as hell aren't going to have a new oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734611
I do hope she's successful, I have nothing against her. It's just hilarious seeing people crowing about how great she's doing when its obvious how this is going to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733994
Pomu and Selen will be reunited once again...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734915
lmao toward the end she wasn't getting those numbers, neither was Pomu. They were already dropping like a rock

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734992
problem is her content is esports trash. If she could keep up this excitement as a variety streamer she would keep place at the top. She is really fun to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68733857
Niji is unironically a debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735696
Nobody who watched Selen watched her because of Niji. They watched her despite being a Niji because they knew how she was constantly getting buttfucked by the company. There we certainly some people who are watching Doki who never watched Selen out of a grudge against Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735696
I'm predicting she'll end up a solid 4view. I can't imagine her ever being my oshi, but she'll remain someone I watch when my oshi isn't streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735946
Good thing she isn't fucking restricted on what she can play now. Content will be flowing in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735818
The worst part is you can tell a majority of these people aren't shitposting and genuinely believe it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735696
>do you really think she's going to be doing better numbers than she was as Selen a few months from now?
There's been leagues more people who've grown more post-Niji than otherwise, even including JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734227
choke on my long-neck dragoon bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735946
I have Apex brainrot so it's not a fuss for me plus as an indie she won't need to deal with JP permissions autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736051
>people who are watching Doki who never watched Selen out of a grudge against Niji.
yeah me

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
its likely but not a certainty
getting your foot in the door is half of the battle
if she can entertain the people showing up, shell keep a lot of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736355
>if she can entertain the people showing up, shell keep a lot of them
Thats the point. She didn't manage to do that with the massive spotlight she had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736633
She was the most popular girl in NijiEN...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736355
If i remember correctly she said she hates single player games, her main content is fps and god forsaken apex, if she starts spamming it she will fall faster than earth gravitational pull

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736355
yeah that's the problem. she had this amazing forum to do something. To capture an audience who wanted so badly to like her. And all she does is sit there and do her usual 'cackle like a dumb fuck' routine while she talks about nothing. I mean come on man, play something, show people what you can do. Nobody is going to stick around long term for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>68736140
>B..but she's going to have 30k ccv from now on, just you wait and see! All the xitter troons and disgruntled niji haters and holobronies love her forever now!

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717408
This honestly. But OP is still right that she will do far better than in Nijisanji which is honestly all that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68737089
anon you're retarded. This zatsu is incredible. Retention will plummet the second she turns on the Apex hose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68737089
I think she knows her main content isn't very appealing to the masses/audience captivating. She probably thinks this will retain more viewers over her usual content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68737425
that might work short term, but she's going to have to show her true colors eventually. I guess maybe the plan is to milk a bunch of 1 month members who then drop off like flies when she starts gaming? But that first month of pitybux will be huge and solve her cash flow problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>68734948
She renamed her pet "Amber" from "Ember" so it's not like that'd do much anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>68718393
One guy dropped 500 gift memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719848
She sounds so excited with the freedom of being an indie. I don't see her joining any company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68719853
Luna has basically the same origin. Bullied by her Niji friends and left for holo. Not the most popular but still well respected and is being treated much better than when she was in Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>from over 100k to 11k
How fucking retarded are you, son? People are just watching her for the drama. In a week they will be mostly gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68737778
other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68721888
Remember she's only done talking streams so far. When she plays popular games she used to get around 4,000 ccv and when she played unpopular games she would get under 2,000 ccv. Her first gaming stream is neopets. Not sure how many she's going to draw for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
It have been a long time since the last time /vt/ found someone worth saving

[Anonymous No.]

>>68735995
Niji is a 3-6 month buff, after that it's a debuff. With each gen the buff period gets shorter and weaker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68738756
128k > 33k > 33k
I honestly didn't expect her 3rd stream to retain the same amount of viewers as the second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68738979
She's not though. She's just standard niji trash, the pityparty buff is powerful but can't mask her personality forever. Once all the dudes show up its over

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725529
Except none of the latest gens have gotten at all popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>68725859
Yes. She's already said that

[Anonymous No.]

>>68717182
>Dramashitters - 1 million people
>Actual fans - 1% of that
Expected for anyone with a functioning brain, but the real travesty is numberfags. I hope you all get the clap but none of you will ever have sex.

[Anonymous No.]

NDF is cracking me up. Of course she won't stay super high forever, but to think that no one will ever care about her again is foolish. I heard Holobronies say the same thing when Henya spurned them for Vshojo, and she's still 2-3X higher than she was at a considerably smaller place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68732070
counter-point: her mascots could have been called "hooters"
there was a chance that she would go on stream or on twitter to tell the world that she loves her little hooters

[Anonymous No.]

>>68739586
Anon... 11K is not 1% of 111K

[Anonymous No.]

>>68739708
Real talk though. Should Doki go to Vshojo? I think Holo is a better fit for her, but at Vshojo she can still retain her identity

[Anonymous No.]

>>68742739
I'd welcome her with open arms, but she seems content to stay where she is for now. Definitely want to see some Vshojo collabs at bare minimum.
Hololive... I know Moomer is there, but it might bring back traumatic memories of Kurosanji. I dunno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68742739
I doubt she'll ever trust a corpo again

[Anonymous No.]

>>68739414
She already has a male manager, she can ride it for longer if she want

[Anonymous No.]

>>68723707
Nah only nijisisters are threatened by her, because she buried kurosanji and outperformed luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

She’ll be back to being a sub 1k shitter soon dont worry lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>68738382
It amazes me in this economy people still have that kind of money, but I probably need to assume they are oil princes or royalty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68744277
they are just autistic stem grads with no family and a lot of money. bonus points for being parasocial

[Anonymous No.]

>>68738756
this, it happens with everyone who reincarnates
eventually you end up like rushia, with 2k viewers