/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>tries to frame her being irresponsible with her own money as the company's fault
Dokiturd had over $200k to blow on random unprofitable shit that the company never had any responsibility in paying (Hololive doesn't fund personal projects either) and this is somehow the company's fault. The funniest thing is that this destroys the "Nijisanji vtubers are all poor and earn no money" bullshit because it means she EARNED that much money (obviously way more than just $200k as well, that's just the amount she was willing to spend on projects) even if she didn't break even in the end. It's like millionaires going broke because of spending it all booze, prostitutes and drugs.

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>>68676477
>another holobrony falseflag bait thread to throw shit on Nijisanji
kys yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Cry about it.

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>>68676477
>>68676503
Sisters really not sending their bests huh

[Anonymous No.]

didn’t read lol
seethe, NDF

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder these threads are being made by the doxxsisters site organized in a discord server to defend kurosanji and throw up on Doki's reputation

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>>68676503
What's the point of throwing shit at niji when they're already swimming in their own shit?

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>>68676503
>literally self-reply
>muhhh holobronies falseflagging
NDF are getting more fucking retarded everyday

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive doesn't fund personal projects either

Yeah Mindcraft was totally not funded by Holo Summer's 1 million yen prize, good job

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>>68676477
She "blew" it on projects that made money for the company. You fucking subhuman

[Anonymous No.]

She has some kinda savior complex and blows all her money commissioning overpriced shit from artists. It's admirable but she was always going to end up penniless.

[Anonymous No.]

don't care didn't read
look at my wife

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>>68676658
She used to be a starving artist peddling her stuff in artist alleys at conventions, so she's obsessed with feeding all the other starving artists

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>>68676617
>self reply
>IP count goes up
You holobronies are pathetic.

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>>68676669

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>>68676477
>>68676503
>same IP
This is genuinely embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a holibrony who hates Niji and Selen, but this seemed like a weird slight on Niji. Don't the holo girls pay for their birthday/anniversary 3D lives? Doesn't Towa spend like a couple million yen on the Mario Kart Tournament each year?

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>>68676477
>NDF pumping bait thread on catalog again
somethimg happen in Niji???

[Anonymous No.]

Enna i swear i will find you , and rape you

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>>68676477
It's true that Dokibird is milking her suicidal tantrum for all it's worth, but it's also true that Nijisanji is a poorly-run shithole where the rotting wood is the whole ship.

[Anonymous No.]

>It's like millionaires going broke because of spending it all booze, prostitutes and drugs.
I don't even like her but she spent that stuff on doing interesting stuff on stream for fans.

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>>68676477
Selen won. Nijisanji lost. Simple as.

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>>68676477
she's a fucking idiot. and a woman. of course she has no idea what to do with her money. I hate niji as much as anyone, but its not their fault she's a retard. Stop throwing your money into a furnace you dumb cunt, how stupid can you be?

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>>68676849
this. It's two retards battling. Like a heel vs heel match, there's no one to root for they both suck

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Why is everyone acting like she was using the 200k thing as ammo against Niji?

She even pointed out that her mother scolded HER, rather than complain about Niji's treatment of her.

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>>68676673
Then she's retarded, the pain is what forces them to create better things.

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>>68677159
>>68676571

[Anonymous No.]

Man, nijifags will be seething about her outperforming their dying organs for years huh? You foids still cry about Sayu.

[Anonymous No.]

did you fucks forget that niji would cancel projects on her so the money ended up in the toilet? holo projects get to make their inventment money back

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>>68677346
>advance with costly projects before greenlighting them with your notoriously finicky employer
>do it over and over until you're broke and suicidal
It's like watching a tard fight but with cartoon girls and managers.
>>68676571
>Reminder these threads are being made by the doxxsisters site organized in a discord server
The boogeyman did it again! Fie! Fie!

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>>68676477
>b-but Hololive

Sister...

[Anonymous No.]

This is retarded, I know that this is probably just bait but one of the leading vtubing companies making talents pay out of pocket for their projects is fucking insane. They seem more like a mafia squeezing out protection money rather than a talent agency

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>>68677682
>>do it over and over
That's what pisses me off the most. She's not that retarded for putting 200k into her career when she still broke even, she's retarded because Niji fucked her over repeatedly and she kept putting more money in.

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>>68679232
>one of the
It's standard process in every single JP corpo. Don't like it don't join.

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>>68676477
>obviously way more than just $200k as well, that's just the amount she was willing to spend on projects


OP, she's done literally two streams after getting fired. It cannot be THAT hard for you to have fucking watched them before commenting on what you imagine they contain.

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>>68676617
>self-reply
>IP count goes up
>beats the cooldown timer

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>>68676642
Yeah everyone totally gets 1 million yen to spend from the company.

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>>68679453
I meant that she earned more than just $200k through her career in Niji, but her careless spending habits rendered her broke in the end. This woman probably made at least a million there but she's a dumbfuck who doesn't know where to put her money in.

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>>68676738
They don't need to pay if all they do is use the default stages and don't want any kind of custom effects or props for the live.
Most pay to make their lives stand out but some still go with the cheapest setup.

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>>68676477
I can see why the chink community rejects her, she fails to live up to her peddler heritage.

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>>68676738
Not the same thing at all 'holibrony'
Now kill yourself

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>>68676477
>Hololive doesn't fund personal projects either
They do, it's up to the talent to come up with the idea and execute it but if it's a solid and good enough project Cover will support it with funds and sometime even personal staff.
Ollie's Apex thing had a bunch of staffs helping out in the background, I bet Selen would love to have that kind of support.

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>>68680033
Stop lying to make your company look better. Marine had to pay all her MVs out of her own pocket. Laplus spent like $20k on her own MK tourney as well.

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>>68676477
Are nijiniggers this petty. They lost the war a long time ago. The moment pomu walked out do they think they just started to lose now?

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>>68680033
Ollie's apex thing was what she wanted for reaching 1 million so of course she got support for it.

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>>68680260
Gura couldn't pay for a song because it costed to much for her. Ame had to pay for her own mini 3D studio because cover doesn't care enough to open a studio for them in the US. Let's see what else. Kiara also paying for stuff. The list go on and on but they won't talk about it.

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>>68680432
Retard

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>>68680260
>Marine had to pay all her MVs out of her own pocket.
Wrong. Cover handles all of her payments and agreed to shoulder some of the cost themselves. She never has to pay "out of pocket" and instead pays out of her future income.

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>>68676723
How would you even know that

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>>68676477
Isn't it more about that she was willing to put her money into stuff and then niji would cockblock it?

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>>68680702
How that relevant at all? She wouldn't be spending any less if she wasn't cockblocked. The entire amount is brought up as if her spending that much is niji's fault.

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>>68680620
And the sources for this are? Voice in your head or what? All I heard about was her saying that she spent millions on the MVs.

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>>68680810
Herself. Try watching streams.
>huhuh voices in ur head llololol!!!
>All I heard
Why even talk when you clearly don't know shit?

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>>68676477
She's making way more money now. She's getting 100 percent now instead of 2 percent.

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>>68676477
Millie you do should do better than that one lmao
NOW SEETHE

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>>68680644
It's more fun to watch you retards be retarded than to teach you how to avoid being retarded.

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>>68680810
nta but that isn't anything new, quite a few members have talked about getting some money from Cover and they cutting it from future income.

[Anonymous No.]

She should have stuck to just streaming. Nobody cared about cross-branch Apex tournaments or whatever the fuck that was. Apex streams are filler content for 99% of chuubas anyway.

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>>68680852
Lying faggot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg
>Basically as far as what we plan and make ourselves, it's all at our own expense
Imagine shilling for a corporation just because this drama makes Cover look bad in the eyes of normies too.

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>>68681038
>clipbrown
You just confirmed that you don't watch streams. Cover paid for part of her costs for her past MVs. Also even if it's all her expense, she is still not "paying out of pocket", she still pays from her future earnings.

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>>68680540
Cover and Nijisanji are both black companies. The fact that cover has not disassociated themselves from Nijisanji at this point says they agree with everything Nijisanji does to their livers. Live in delusion all you want.

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>>68680644
kek, fucking retard

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>>68681110
>Cover paid for part of her costs for her past MVs
Still no source. I posted a clip. Post something that proves your claim now.

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>>68681153
Fuck off already

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>>68681153
I'm not going to dig up a clip for you. You don't watch streams, I do.

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>>68679652
>This woman probably made at least a million there

The top Holos are only earning about 400K anon, there's no way in hell Selen was getting anywhere near 500K a year.

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>>68681184
>watch this stream with this comment that was mysteriously not referenced in the clip
I'm thinking this stream doesn't exist.

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>>68676477
>millionaires going broke because of spending it all on giving back to their fans and the company
>millionaires going broke because of spending it all booze, prostitutes and drugs

Nijisisters really are remarkable creatures. You can learn all there is to know about them in a month, and on a pinch they can still surprise you with how far they can outdo themselves when it comes to False Equivalency.

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>>68680644
kek. Look at the bottom of the page and use your critical thinking.

Anyway, this thread shows that NDF was actually the one shitting on Doki and not Bronies. Unless this is a super high level psyops by a holofag. I’ll kneel if so

[Anonymous No.]

Bad business decisions that were her own fault. It was vanity really and probably the reason she had more subs than the rest. But to say that a few thousand or hundred thousand extra subs at most justifies that cost is just delusional. For that amount she was probably hoping to hit 2m subs as Selen. Didn't work out like that though.

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>>68681412
Yeah because your clips is obviously the only time Marine has ever talked about budgets.
You don't watch streams so you don't get to talk.

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>>68676477
It’s a manager’s job to tard wrangle people.

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>>68680799
Niji has already demostrated they're willing to rugpull their talents. My guess is Selen would get the green light, dump a ton of funds into it and then management would change their mind meaning that she sees absolutely no return in her investment.

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>>68681519
Cover music videos are not an "investment". They do not make money. Even original songs with expensive MVs are nothing but a money sink for 99.99% of vtubers.

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>>68681444
Not OP but doki defenders are nijisisters that just changed the color of their coat. The false equivalency you're taking about is not the reality. You're working too hard to paint her actions as that of a saint. She spent that money to increase the popularity and renown of her performer identity as a member of Nijisanji.
If she had spent it to give back to the community she would have done so privately and not under her performance identity. The reason she did it that way was because she wanted to become more popular and so earn more money from her work there. It didn't work out like that. While that is still different to spending it on drugs and alcohol, it isn't because she's a saint giving back to the community. In the same way spending it on drugs and booze aren't saints giving it back to the local business owners and disadvantaged who grew up in the hood and became dealers.
You're right that Nijisisters really are remarkable creatures. They spin the truth into webs of lies and fairy tales and expect that anyone thinks they're not delusional nijisisters anymore.

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>>68681662
BUT I WOULD BECOME A SUCCESSFUL SINGER ONE DAY THAT SELLS A LOT OF ALBUMS LIKE SUISEI OKAY???

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>>68681662
Unless you're going to pull some stats out of your ass right, I won't believe you. Even IF they don't return the investment monetarily, the goodwill they instill in a community has a value. If fans feel cared about, they will be intensely loyal (and loyal fans are generous fans) which is exactly what happened with Selen. Her fans kicked and screamed until Niji revealed what had been happening and are continuing to kick and scream until Doki gets fair treatment.

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>>68676477
i want all of you to remember that those who choose to stay in nijisanji are ambitionless hacks, they stream exclusively to siphon the cash out of their paypigs and nothing else. do you truly think someone like enna has any goals or future prospects? no chance, she believes your purpose in life is to be in HER chat sucking on HER dick daily. to her your life is NOTHING, you serve ZERO purpose-- and unlike selen you should kill yourself N

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>>68681730
>an entertainer spends money to entertain her fans and garner new fans in the process so she has more people to entertain so she can get more money and entertain even more people
>this is a bad thing because...it just is

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>>68681519
Her management definitely knew and signed off on all her projects, so one can't even use the defense of 'oh noooo they tried to stop her, they tried to make her fiscally responsible but they were sooo helpless!' You know this because of a small detail in so many artists' testimonies - the NDAs.

>I want to say that back in August Selen asked 13 artists including me to draw for her MV, and we communicated with her management to sign NDA right after.
>And I only received my formal contract in January this year :) but I still haven't received any email for making a remittance to my bank account from them btw.
>But Selen still paid first before then.
>Now Selen has left, but some artists still haven't even received their agreements. Who do you think is the problematic one? :)

Who do people think is sending out the NDAs if management didn't approve the projects, fucking ghosts?

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>>68681784
Anon is right, but have you actually tried listening to any of them? Most vtuber original songs aren't good. Because they're not actually idols, and instead of practicing singing and dancing all the time, they spend their time on twitter or playing Apex. You don't even need stats to understand they don't have any mainstream appeal with the exception of a handful in the entire industry. Even ironmouse who is a trained opera singer has absolutely awful original songs. But even if that anon did produce stats and figures you can just choose to make up an excuse and keep believing it's good business. In the end big corpos make money from being emotional support whores rather than for being talented musicians.

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>>68676477
STFU already Millie for fucks sake

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>>68676503
Couldn't you have a sister reply to your efforts or are you just some perpetual forever alone loser? Cause it 98% looks like the later.

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>>68681803
if you think about it for what other reason would nina pomu and selen want to leave a system where they basically earn money for free, presumably because they genuinely have a passion to entertain, and crave the resources necessary to create that spectacle. whereas on the other hand you have the nijis who remain who are there, offering pretty much nothing new, expecting you to fund their fat asses til they die

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>>68681730
You seem to be missing the fact that creating content for your fans and increasing your popularity are basically the same thing. Giving your audience content they will enjoy isn't a bad thing, is it? And why shouldn't she work to increase her popularity?

In addition, she was always talking about how she had her friends buy fanmerch of her character at events - doesn't that count as a way to give back to the community?

Your comment makes no sense.

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>>68681847
It's bad because it's completely vain. If she was actually entertaining it would have worked out, but she's not, she just wanted to believe she was. Even at the low end you have people that spend $20k ore more on their equipment and model and everything. Is this good because they want to reach more people and entertain them?
If so then there are many good people and it's not special being that good, it's just normal.
If it's actually just a poor business decision made to serve themselves then it's just that.
The world isn't split up into only good and evil.

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>>68681784
>Unless you're going to pull some stats out of your ass right, I won't believe you.
Yeah I'm obviously in the wrong when it's well known that most artists don't make shit from selling their music and have to do gigs to actually make a living.
99.99% of vtubers don't even qualify as artists and Selen especially doesn't qualify as one.
>Even IF they don't return the investment monetarily, the goodwill they instill in a community has a value.
Then stop talking about the money. That's literally all I have been saying this whole time.
If you want to call niji shit for flushing down her projects that's a totally valid point to make but all this bitching about how they "prevented" her from making back her money is retarded when it was never going to happen.

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>>68682039
You seem to miss the point where spending it on drugs and giving money to those that grew up in poor neighborhoods is also the same thing. Twist it anyway you want though, there's always a way to twist anything into a positive. It just makes it less meaningful.

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>>68681926
I unironically really like Last Cup of Coffee and I liked Finana's Tsunami. You're also ignoring the entire other half of my post. Even if they don't make money, they foster fan loyalty. My oshi is admittedly not a great singer but she tries extremely hard and whenever she releases a song, I feel really happy because I know she is trying her best to please her fans. It reassures me as a fan that I've picked the right person. What is the financial value of that level of goodwill?

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>>68682052
>I don't think she is entertaining therefore she shouldn't spend money entertaining

But like, that's just your opinion man

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>>68682039
Like Scientology spending all that money to reach people and change their lives for the better. Except that nobody looking in from the outside with any objectivity will see it that way. You spend money to get more fans. Is that good or bad? Who cares, if it didn't work you failed and can't have been that good in the first place.

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>>68682180
It's not me though. You can be her fan, but obviously most in the vtubing scene weren't impressed and don't care. If that wasn't true it would have been different, but it's the way it is. You can still be her fan though, that's your own choice.

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>>68681444
>>68681847
I dunno why you think paying a bunch of artists to make gimmick shit like music videos is giving back to the fans. If I gave a streamer money I would want them to use it responsibly on food, rent and hardware, I never gave her anything but I sure as shit would've stopped if I had once I realized she was spending it by the shovelful on commissioning her artist friends

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>>68681926
Do you only listen to virtuoso vocalists or something? Lots of vtuber original songs are a great time even though the chuuba is a mediocre singer.

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>>68682212
Hmm. Except she has a hundred thousand more subs than the next niji girl on the list. Is that good or bad? Who cares, it worked and she was phenomenal, I guess.

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>>68682064
>Yeah I'm obviously in the wrong when it's well known that most artists don't make shit from selling their music and have to do gigs to actually make a living.
Most music artists don't have hundreds of thousands of parasocial fans at the ready. You have to remember that Selen was in the top 0.1% of all vtubers. She is equivalent to a Hollywood A-lister not some cover band with day jobs so things that aren't profitable for others may be profitable for her because she has the audience.

>then stop talking about money
Why? Goodwill is something you can actually quantify. Every single company has a monetary value placed on their goodwill, it's comes under non-tangible assets in accounting because it has serious impacts on a company's finances. In vtubing, goodwill is probably the single most valuable asset that anybody has. If you have goodwill your fans will donate more to you, they will oshi you, they will promote you and they will defend you. Goodwill investments are investments. Why do you think companies pull of stunts like sponsoring faggot parades or whatever? They make no real money back from it but it's all about that goodwill.

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>>68679232
It's industry standard. The company will sponsor certain things and milestones with the same budget for everybody. If you want more you pay more to do it yourself or find another sponsor.
It's not the company's job to pay for your every whim as a talent, especially if there's no proof it will be profitable.
This is why Matsuri and deron have like 30 l2ds while Aki and Rin have a fraction of the amount despite being the same generations. And Deron having dozens of covers. They paid for them because they wanted to have fun. Niji and cover does not pay for all that.
That's also why chaika has like 5 3d streams a month fucking around. He's renting the studio and paying out of pocket to have fun. This is also why all the niji birthday merch is the same 3 simple items. That's what niji pays for, if you want better merch it's out of your pocket but you'll also get a bigger revenue share due to that. Same with when a holo offers more stuff that just keychains. Acrylics and a voice pack. They pay for the mousepads, body pillows. Etc

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>>68682268
>most in the vtubing scene weren't impressed
Selen was the most popular female talent in NijiEN. What crack are you smoking?

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>>68682331
There's only so much food, rent and hardware a streamer can buy.

People like music videos, I like music videos, I like it when my oshi releases music videos. Simply because you don't like them doesn't mean other people don't, that an insanely autistic way of thinking.

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>>68682416
Yeah there was never a reasonable expectation that they would fund her vanity projects, but they should've given her extra support when they saw her ambition and popularity, instead they fucked it up as hard as possible because le permissions and le chain of command

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>>68682509
I dunno, I'll never understand the "oshi" mentality. The occasional project is all well and good and the VR model stuff had obvious value but how do you watch her waste money on an MV for fucking Luxiem and still keep pouring cash down her gullet?

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>>68682394
>Most music artists don't have hundreds of thousands of parasocial fans at the ready.
How is this relevant at all? Those fans will give money with or without music videos. The music video is not what's making the money in this equation.
>You have to remember that Selen was in the top 0.1% of all vtubers.
Still not an artist. If she goes and records an album right now, she is not going to break even from selling it.
>Why?
Because the amount of money she chose to spend is irrelevant when you're making arguments about niji being bad. It doesn't matter is she spent two hundred or two million dollars.
>it has serious impacts on a company's finances
You're talking about her personal finances.
>Why do you think companies pull of stunts like sponsoring faggot parades or whatever? They make no real money back from it but it's all about that goodwill.
And the amount of money they spend doesn't matter. They might announce how much they ended up giving but in the end it doesn't matter one bit.

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>>68682416
>you want better merch it's out of your pocket but you'll also get a bigger revenue share
Have they even done that outside of 1m sub milestones? I don't think they're allowed to have custom merch otherwise

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>>68682625
> I'll never understand the "oshi" mentality
Then you won't understand how vtuber funding works. It's the exact same with any type of celebrity worship. If Taylor Swift came out tomorrow begging for donations despite being a billionaire or whatever her net worth is these days, fans would still throw money at her because of her insane goodwill.

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>>68682681
>How is this relevant at all? Those fans will give money with or without music videos. The music video is not what's making the money in this equation
Music videos enhance goodwill and makes fans feel cared about. A happy fan is a generous fan.
>Still not an artist. If she goes and records an album right now, she is not going to break even from selling it
You know how most animes don't make any money, right? But anime keeps getting made despite losing money. Why? Because the anime serves another purpose which is to sell other things like manga, merch, exposure and enhance fan sentiment. It's the same concept.

>Because the amount of money she chose to spend is irrelevant when you're making arguments about niji being bad. It doesn't matter is she spent two hundred or two million dollars.
Your point is that MV are a bad investment because they don't return money. I just explained to you how they do actually return money.
>You're talking about her personal finances
And?
>And the amount of money they spend doesn't matter. They might announce how much they ended up giving but in the end it doesn't matter one bit.
You're smarter than all the world's major corporations combined are you?

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This whole situation is incredibly ironic now that I think about it. Hololive and nijisanji actively shaped the vtuber culture to be pure listen and believe. 4chan and reddit mods delete shit that goes against company interests fans police themselves to make sure "the talent doesn't get hurt" etc. They created the public that now uncritically believes this girl and this will ultimately sink their company. It is so funny how brainwashing the vtuber fans backfired so spectacularly on them. I hope this also happens to hololive once one of the menheras there rallies fans against the evil corporations and the sheep will listen to her.

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>>68682529
Ambition does not equal profit.
Hayato's 3d debut is well known for costing him out the ass, and it brought in a ton of SCs and merch money. Record breaking at the time. Still wasn't profitable.
Expecting the company to pay for a bunch of random projects is very unrealistic no matter what company you're expecting it from.

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>>68683000
I believe the rrat that one of the Holos is actually Yagoo's daughter, most likely Sora and that's why the Holos are actually treated really well because he treats them all like their his own children.

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>>68682778
For niji? Honestly not sure since the merch changes a while back. Tomoe's selling an ASMR voice pack instead of the usual birthday stuff so I think it's OK

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>>68683000
99% of the details people are working off come from Anycolor's own statement. There's literally nothing to 'believe' from her because she hasn't added anything new.

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>>68683000
EN crashing isn't going to sink Nijisanji.

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>>68683131
Thanks for proving the point how uncritical you are and how you have plugged your ears.

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>>68682935
>Music videos enhance goodwill and makes fans feel cared about. A happy fan is a generous fan.
Sure, but the cost isn't relevant. You don't get more "goodwill" from paying gorillion dollars for a music video.
>You know how most animes don't make any money, right? But anime keeps getting made despite losing money. Why? Because the anime serves another purpose which is to sell other things like manga, merch, exposure and enhance fan sentiment. It's the same concept.
And the cost of the anime itself isn't relevant. There's no one moaning that it cost this much to make anime and they got no return from it because of whatever reason.
>Your point is that MV are a bad investment because they don't return money.
I didn't say that. I said they're not a money investment. Talking about the amount of money spent on the MV is meaningless. Selen wasting her life savings on an MV is irrelevant when you're trying to quanitify how shit nijisanji is. It's like you're trying to say it would have been ok if they shit on a cheap project but it's totally unforgivable that they did it to something that cost her a lot.
>And?
The amount of money Selen chooses to spend on her own projects has no impact on the company's finances.
>You're smarter than all the world's major corporations combined are you?
Literally what the fuck are you even talking about?
You're dragging this retarded argument about muh streamer spend 200k because she wanted to to some retarded lengths.

[Anonymous No.]

lol it actually is, it's pathetic that a for-profit company has no interest in how it's employee is investing how the pay it's giving her is invested, with just slightly more effort it can see some return of an expended resource. yeah, it's not a right or anything, but I thought these companies had like maybe 40 employees are quite dynamic with high available resources? the fact they'd lose track of this much a non-renewable resource makes them baby shit compared to what I do at work

niji management "strategy" reminds me of covid horseshit from china that all turned out to be unnecessary, like the barred doors and such

[Anonymous No.]

>>68680810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MPsmwMy6ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALtsXEzrfM
There you go retard. She ended up paying some sum out of pocket because the budget exceeded her estimated income and what Cover was willing to pay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
clean it up janny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683270
>has no interest in how it's employee is investing how the pay it's giving her is invested
They did. That is why they told her not to do this shit. And she took it as bullying. It is funny how you simps undermine your own points and don't notice it.

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>>68683366
Are you actually living in some alternate reality? What the fuck? They approved the project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683116
I pretty much only follow EN and I've really only seen standardized merch except for the 1M milestone stuff and one unique item per member at anniversaries (this is a marginal improvement in the past year, in 2022 they got to stick their own designs on a standard item)
Considering what they spend on other projects I've got to imagine the livers would want to make custom merch but management limits them because they don't want to cannibalize the low cost high margin acrylic stands, chekis etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683396
I am talking about her complaining that management was stopping her from doing her projects which was bullying. You are dumb, as to be expected from a mark.

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>>68683249
>Sure, but the cost isn't relevant. You don't get more "goodwill" from paying gorillion dollars for a music video.
Huh? The quality difference between a $1 MV and a $10,000 MV is substantial and fans will noticr. So cost is relevant.
>And the cost of the anime itself isn't relevant.
Again, huh? Yes it is. Animes are literally cost sinks and IP holders don't want them to cost a gorillion dollars otherwise it won't offset the increase in sales elsewhere.
>There's no one moaning that it cost this much to make anime and they got no return from it because of whatever reason.
I'd reference you every single anime that never got a season 2.
>when you're trying to quanitify how shit nijisanji is
I was never attempting to do that. That's just something you've decided to add in for some reason.
>It's like you're trying to say it would have been ok if they shit on a cheap project but it's totally unforgivable that they did it to something that cost her a lot
Yes. It's a lot less morally shit to cancel a project before any money has been spent rather than to let your employee throw thousands of dollars at it only to turn on your heels and tell her you changed your mind. At that point, you need to take on some duty of care for your talent and understanding of their financial commitment. It is the moral thing to do.
>The amount of money Selen chooses to spend on her own projects has no impact on the company's finances
So? I don't care about Niji's finances. When did I ever say I dif?
>Literally what the fuck are you even talking about

Are you even following the discussion?
>Selen shouldn't spend money on MVs they are a waste
>>No they are not they can actually make money indirectly through goodwill, lots of companies do this
>And it's a waste of money
>>So you think all the major corporations in the world who invest billions of dollars into goodwill projects have no idea what they'rs doing?
What part of this have you failed to follow?

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>>68683457
They were perfectly willing to let her spend the money and then reject the product for dumb corpo autism reasons

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
Not your money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681730
Jesus fucking Christ someone finally said it. Fanarts, fanvideos and the such increase visibility for the streamer. It's a nice gesture and more content for her fans(for free), but it's not like she lost the money on medical bills or overspent on charity.

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>>68683029
Are you retarded or just illiterate? I literally just said it was obviously not expected that they would fund her projects. By extra support I mean helping her with networking/communication/admin stuff on her projects, like you'd expect from staff to begin with. Since she paid for all the outside work they were pure profit for Anycolor

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683457
Given Pomu cried on stream about how Niji would just shut down projects for no reason, I have no reason to believe Niji was ever acting in good faith

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683563
>quick! change the topic completely

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683604
>Nijisanji just straight cold shouldering their talents projects with no reason given whilst other talents get green lit is not evidence of bullying

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683563
They really just took the worst possible path. Cockblocking everything and saying no talent-organized projects or events period would've been less damaging to morale

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683548
Using staff is part of the budget anon.

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>>68683563
>Got the talents excited about a 3D concert, had them work hard recording for it
>Never actually made 90% of the 3D models
I'd actually like to see some investigation on this because it's possible the whole thing was a fraud, they were definitely trying to work on a totally made up schedule to try and beat HoloEN to the punch with a 3D concert

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683131
A lot of these 'details' only exist because 90% of this board are ESL and can't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683538
Commissioning artists is basically charity

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681153
https://youtu.be/MDzlayOiVro?t=92
cope seethe mald dilate nigger
and that was over 2 years ago so it is probably even better now

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
SARS SO NOT REDEEM THE STOCK SARS
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[Anonymous No.]

>>68683457
I'm not the one making shit out of fucking thin air. Literally neither Anycolor nor Selen has ever claimed this. Did you even READ the goddamned notice? Or did you just go off what your discord buddies threw around? Here, I'll fucking paste the relevant section for you.
Do you see any 'obstruction of content production' or similar phrasing? No? This entire supposition that the bullying takes the form of blocking projects is a complete figment of your imagination. Neither one of them has actually talked about what the bullying entailed. And in fact, that 'situations arose' phrasing implies it was specific, temporal behavior, not some nebulous 'blocking' of projects.

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>>68683519
>The quality difference between a $1 MV and a $10,000 MV is substantial and fans will noticr. So cost is relevant.
It doesn't earn any more "goodwill". You can't just claim that an $10k MV earns $10k worth of "goodwill".
>I was never attempting to do that. That's just something you've decided to add in for some reason.
???
Then why bring up how much she spent when arguing that nijisanji is bad? If you agree with me then I don't understand why you keep arguing.
>So? I don't care about Niji's finances. When did I ever say I dif?
You literally just said "Every single company has a monetary value placed on their goodwill, it's comes under non-tangible assets in accounting because it has serious impacts on a company's finances."
Why even write this shit out if it has literally nothing to do with the discussion at hand? It's almost like you're just writing all of this random shit out for no reason.
>Selen shouldn't spend money on MVs they are a waste
I never said that. I said the amount of money she spent on them is irrelevant and that your argument that they're an investment that would have somehow returned her the 200k she spent is retarded.

Not even going to address the rest of your bullshit since it's all derived from you intentionally misinterpreting everything I say.

Selen chose to waste her money and the amount does not matter.

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>>68683713
So she said 'Yagoo' provided some budget for original songs but not covers. This conflicts with Marine's statements since her MV was an original song though. Probably made an exception for ID because it's a poorfag branch.

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>>68683686
Yes and unless her huge projects brought in literally zero money they were a slam dunk for profitability since she was covering *everything* else. It's like she showed up with ten trucks full of wood telling Niji she'd build them a log cabin for free and instead of giving her a few burly men to help they called the cops to inspect every inch of the wood in case it had cocaine in it or something. They didn't just fail to invest in an obvious opportunity, they ruined it on purpose.

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>>68683915
>This conflicts with Marine's statements
No it doesn't because Cover paid for a part of Marine's budget as well in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683834
>It doesn't earn any more "goodwill". You can't just claim that an $10k MV earns $10k worth of "goodwill"
My claim is that GENERALLY higher effort materials will produce greater goodwill. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
>Then why bring up how much she spent when arguing that nijisanji is bad?
I never did. You made a point that MVs weren't investments.
>Why even write this shit out if it has literally nothing to do with the discussion at hand?
You are borderline retarded. I don't give a shit about Niji's finances and I never once referenced them at all. I am talking about Selen's personal goodwill with her fans.
>I never said that
Yes you did cocksucker,
>>68681662 "Cover music videos are not an "investment". They do not make money"
You clearly can't keep track of a conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684045
You have still not linked anything of her saying that. And if it was too long ago the policy could've changed. The clip I posted is from two months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684122
Stop posting dumb autistic shit on internet. Go touch grass and think about your life real hard. Think about how naive you are and how much you trust women over the internet that play a role and don't even know you exist. Come back when you realize how naive you were and do better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684299
>gets btfo for being retarded who can't follow a basic conversation
>>REEE TOUCH GRASS

Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684122
>I never did.
What you did is irrelevant. I'm talking about the overall theme of these discussions when people bring up muh 200k.
>You made a point that MVs weren't investments.
Yes, they're not investment when the argument is that she spent money and was "prevented" from making her money back.
>I am talking about Selen's personal goodwill with her fans.
Then stop talking about companies, retard. She's not a company and does not operate like one.
>Yes you did cocksucker
Suck my dick, moron. Nowhere in your quote am I saying she shouldn't spend money.
I said MVs are not an investment that will earn her all of her money back.
YOU can't clearly keep track of a conversation or you are intentionally misinterpreting things to act like you're beating arguments that nobody even made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684152
Retard >>68683325

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684376
>What you did is irrelevant. I'm talking about the overall theme of these discussions when people bring up muh 200k.
Lol so what you're saying is you're not actually responding to anyrhing I'm saying and you're choosing to just respond to the random thoughts in your head?
Are you an actual schizo?
>Then stop talking about companies, retard
I'm not at fault for you not being able to understand that the concept of goodwill isn't exclusive to corporations.
>She's not a company and does not operate like one.
I used the company example because you're dumb ass could not actually believe that good will had actual value. This is your own retarded fault.
>I said MVs are not an investment that will earn her all of her money back.
And you also have said she shouldn't do it, I'm not going to respond to you anymore because it's clear you're a literal child who cannot understand basic concepts within economics and accounting like goodwill and don't understand the fact that an example is not a shift of topic within a conversation

You're unironically retarded.

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>>68684364
I am not even that guy. I just can't stand retards like you talking about shit they don't understand. And being total simps for women that are there just to milk your money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684570
To be fair, if there's one chuuba you can't accuse of being calculating and greedy it's her. She gave away all her money to her faggot artist friends.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you even get to $200k? It's not like she was putting out an animated MV cover every month

[Anonymous No.]

>>68684713
Commissioning artists. Some of the fanart you see was paid by her.

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>>68684537
>Lol so what you're saying is you're not actually responding to anyrhing I'm saying and you're choosing to just respond to the random thoughts in your head?
The very first thing I said was that the amount of money she spent is brought up as a point against niji. So much for you being the one that's capable of following conversation.
>I used the company example because you're dumb ass could not actually believe that good will had actual value.
"good will" has no measurable value despite your claims. 10k music video still doesn't earn 10k worth of goodwill.
>And you also have said she shouldn't do it
No I didn't, retard. I said it's not an investment that will earn her money.
>it's clear you're a literal child who cannot understand basic concepts within economics and accounting
Says the guy that's acting like spending 10k on a music video will eventually earn back that 10k.
You're a massive moron completely blinded by your obsession for the vtuber being discussed.

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>>68684709
>She gave away all her money to her faggot artist friends.
Except this is an obvious lie cause her mom keeps a close eye on the finances and she would never let them get to the point of 0 returns. Anon you just have to stop listening and believing and instead you need to listen and think a bit for yourself.

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>>68676477
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[Anonymous No.]

>>68685023
Yeah I'm sure all her vanity projects were thrifty and mom-approved. Half of it was probably AI to save money. You're very smart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
>>68676503
>>68676705
>>68677019
>>68677682
>>68679469
>>68680644
>>68681730
>>68681753
>>68683457
Brown hands typed these posts

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>>68676723
>>68676503
fucking kek the retardation of NDF never fails to amuse me.
keep dancing, monkeys

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683325
>>68684459
Oh sorry I missed that reply. But she didn't say anything you're claiming in those clips? It's only in the 3 year old one that she says something that MIGHT imply Cover paid some of the cost, but not in the one from 2022 and nor the most recent one from 2 months ago, so I assume the policy changed then.

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>>68685836
Looks like you didn't watch the clips.
>so I assume the policy changed then.
Now you're just moving goalposts. You said Marine had to pay for ALL of her MVs out of her own pocket. Your claim was proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68685985
>So I talked it out with my manager
>And including revenue from merchandise
>The rest I have to pay with my own pocket money
I'm not sure what to take from this. Cover lets them take merch revenue in advance to fund projects? But still, this was 3 years ago and not mentioned in the more recent clips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68686078
Why are you leaving out the part where she talks about Cover possibly agreeing to pay maybe half of it? You're doing that intentionally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68686232
But she said it had to do with merch revenue, so it's still money that she was going to earn herself in the first place. And she doesn't say that all in the most recent one, it's just straight up: "We have to pay for everything we plan ourselves".

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>>68686934
She said the company will maybe cover up to a half of the cost for her and she pays the rest. That had nothing to do with her merch sales.
>And she doesn't say that all in the most recent one
Irrelevant. You said that ALL of her MVs were paid entirely by herself out of pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68686934
I'm guessing Cover has an allocation for original song projects like they do for outfits, which is why Moona's was paid for. After all, they can perform original songs at Fes and other concerts without having to license rights from anyone else, which is also why almost everyone has at least one original song. But if you want to make more music you need to fund that out of your own pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
The issue wasn't how much she spend is that she had zero profit, Niji took all the money she did with her personal projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681662
Album sales, concert tickets, live tickets.
I mean there's being stupid, then there's being (you) level stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688066
Selen sells none of those and niji sinking her little cover MV has no effect on her income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
>Dokiturd had over $200k to blow on random unprofitable shit that the company never had any responsibility in paying
Retard you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688195
I wasn't talking about her. I was talking to the houseplant that said talent songs aren't investments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688277
I was talking about her and all the other vtubers like her (99.99% of them) that will never make any profit from releasing covers and originals. Songs are not investments to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688395
Goddamn you really are a brainless fern aren't you. Songs are investments. People hear them, and either like them or not.
If they like them, they get invested in the artist and will buy their merchandise.
See? It's that fucking simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688594
Selen and 99.99% of vtubers are not artists. More often than not there won't be another song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68688661
Everything else aside I really am baffled by how much music shit she did for someone who can't sing or play an instrument or do literally anything musical

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676503
Nijibased

[Anonymous No.]

What should be more surprising is the fact that she earns 200k a year while being a top nijien liver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68689067
That is a lot of money to earn a year but she obviously earns even more than that. She had other expenses besides projects. All of this while being a 2k shitter that didn't receive that many superchats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68689067
200k might be CAD, which works out to less than 150k USD; she got over USD 110k in superchat, which divided 30-35-35 between YouTube/Anycolor/her is about 40k USD for her, or about 1/4 of her total earnings assuming she was talking about CAD, add memberships, streamlabs donations without the YouTube cut, and voice packs and it still adds up even with shitty revenue share on the physical merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
>tries to frame her being irresponsible with her own money as the company's fault
Dokiturd had over $200k to blow on random unprofitable shit that the company never had any responsibility in paying (Hololive doesn't fund personal projects either) and this is somehow the company's fault. The funniest thing is that this destroys the "Nijisanji vtubers are all poor and earn no money" bullshit because it means she EARNED that much money (obviously way more than just $200k as well, that's just the amount she was willing to spend on projects) even if she didn't break even in the end. It's like millionaires going broke because of spending it all booze, prostitutes and drugs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68689571
>and this is somehow the company's fault
Yes when have countless of artists saying Nijisanji didn't pay them and Selen had to pay them out of her own pockets. This ain't about "personal" projects, is shit nijisanji themselves were suppose to be paying. Of course, Selen being the retard that she is, decided to pay for them, and what did nijisanji in return? not only not pay her but cockblock her everytime they could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
Kamusta Millie

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683538
Good

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683131
i'd say at least that selen confirming she has had her public statements reviewed by a lawyer with documentation to determine that they don't expose her to legal risk is new. obviously anyone in that situation should do that, but there's a non-zero chance a 20 something year old who streams video games or a living would run their mouth without thinking about it. that at least means that she's not straightforwardly lying about shit. the absolute worse case for her is if she was falsifying or selectively omitting documents she showed to her lawyer. best case for her is she's right about everything. middle case is both sides have reasonable grievances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
Selen admits she has a problem... But keep in mind that we know from artist's tweets that a lot of the time Nijisanji was failing to pay artists they had promised to, and Selen had to pay them herself. Don't know how much of the $200K is that and how much of it is Selen wanting to throw a party for the world, but the fact that it happened at all kinda suggests this might be more on management than Selen.

Also keep in mind that this is a company that drove one of its livers to attempt suicide, then pointed the finger at the other talent's, putting all their lives in danger... Plus they fired someone who was offering to resign. Neither of these are the actions of a competent, or even sane, company, let alone the failing promised payments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68679954
>>68676738
NTA but it is legit the same thing. Right when she mentioned that shit she totally lost me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676849
Idk why this is the minority opinion. I guess this board got raided by reddit with all these newfags caring about a dumb menhara.
So much for "i won't be silenced" once she got her paypigs she now decided not to blow up niji. She just lets the shit managers keep their job cause now she gots money to lose

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
*sigh*...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676646
I hate it when I spend my personal money for my company at my job and they don’t reimburse me. I blew 200k renovating the whole office after they said no, and those bastards aren’t even grateful. Terrible black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>68689067
imagine what she would have earned in Nijisanji didn't take most of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68693184
Don't use my wife to defend selen anon
Zaion didn't deserve termination - everything she did she was in the right.
Although management was shit, selen ultimately did deserve termination right when she told everyone to reupload a song that management privated.

Granted niji is more in the wrong then selen because of the awful termination letter. They never learned their lesson

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
>Dokiturd had over $200k to blow on random unprofitable shit that the company never had any responsibility in paying (Hololive doesn't fund personal projects either)
So what does Nijisanji fund?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68694954
Something she shouldn't have done, but now that we know Niji has had the permissions since 2022, it shouldn't have been privated at all. Only reason to do that, knowing that they had it, would be to bully her and set her off. (Not that I blame her, having a $15K project destroyed for no reason.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681926
>but have you actually tried listening to any of them?
yes because i love my oshi and enjoy her songs
you should try it sometimes yknow

[Anonymous No.]

I think you guys are mixing up what dramatubers are saying about the Selen/Doki situation and what Doki herself has said. Doki didn't say anything beyond just "yeah I wasted 200k lol I'm stupid" and "let's put it all behind us and move forward to new things." Getting mad at her for that is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68680799
She'd be spending a lot less as she'd actually have to complete the projects. Pomu had the same problem. She'd get a project green lit, sink a bunch of time and money into it, and have it canceled at the last second. This is a company that often "forgets" that they have permissions, and has people who bypass PR to put up notices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
how come selen/dokibird can take a -200k hit from a clown company AND pay taxes, while other have to run to a SEA backwater to stay out of the red zone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
That's what everyone who knows nothing has inferred.
Isn't
>invest a huge amount of your time, money and effort into company, organizing more big events for the company than the company itself
>Have a mental breakdown due to mismanagement and hostile work environment
>Company kicks you in the ass out the door
>Realize the last three years of your life were wasted
tragic enough? I'd be in shambles every time I thought about that 200k

[Anonymous No.]

>>68697824
didn't she literally have to beg for donations on twitter while she was suspended because she didn't even have enough to pay rent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68699667
Besides the drawing tablet she added to the throne that was ostensibly stuff for her dog, only thing I saw was her asking people to donate to charity after the earthquakes at the beginning of the year.

It was a 2k+ tablet, but she is a hardware autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68698823
No one forced her to blow money on things to appease her own ego. The only instance of it going wrong besides the cover was the Fall Guys tourney (because she's a dumbass who messed up the date and the company couldn't afford to reschedule everything due to being busy with Nijifes at the time). She lied about not being able to organize international tournaments anymore too because the APEX tourney was one. This was probably one of the 'misleading statements posted on social media' that they mentioned in the termination notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676503
LOL omg, self-reply nijifaggot, classic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
Shut up!

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676477
>>68676503

[Anonymous No.]

>>68702641
For the TSB custom: it wouldn't be the first time something that would be impossible for her as a member of NijiEN was accomplished because someone from Cover got involved in her corner.

As for the events being solely for her own ego
NijiWWE was great. The puyopuyo tetris tournaments were great. The minecraft event was great. As was the TSB custom. These are the kinds of the events the company should have been arranging at any point in the past 2 years, on a monthly if not bimonthly basis. Just look at nijiJP, it's the lifeblood of their model. It would have been an easy slam dunk for NijiEN management to grow the entire brand, instead of only dumping cash into Luxiem.

As for things solely to appease her own ego: Obsydia crossing, Nijiexpress were largely for the benefit of the entire gen and company while they were all still barely making it. Despite being a money sinkhole, it was a better new years event than anything management could do in their first 6 months and the latter was a better gen anniversary event than anything NijiEN has done for any gen, even their supposed golden boys. And for just using them to boost her ego, she was sure deadset spending time going over who was involved in her behind the scenes streams for both.

Which leaves the outfit? The MV? The apex customs, both the japanese ones and the charity event?
It's as plausible as her being mentally ill and feeling like she owed it fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68702641
>her to blow money on things to appease her own ego.

Go fuck yourself, you miserable skin-rotted toad. What do you do for your friends, assuming you have any? You grudgepost and neg on a gossip board for Unicorn incels and celebutante whores who play with cartoon puppets for every 200th post they make. You have no fucking right to throw shade on the moral integrity of someone did her very best to hold together something she believed in that superiors did not. Something that was a lie and a sham sold to line suits' pockets.

You think you are a superior person because you cynically piss piously upon people who achieved renown for the sacrifices they made for others to their own selfless detriment? Go choke on the ribs while scarfing down the carcasses, you scavenging holier-than-thou buzzard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68705871
>What do you do for your friends, assuming you have any?
What friends did Selen have in Niji? She isolated herself from everyone, even left their discord group. Of course you're going to blame this on some clique bullshit but she did that by her own choice, nobody excluded her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68706242
>she isolated herself
she was isolated, she didnt choose to do that, in fact she kept trying to do company wide projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681848
any rune knowers can confirm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68706619
it appears to be an accurate translation

[Anonymous No.]

>>68681848
considering that artists has been receiving NDA's with the someone else's name for months from Niji's management, multiple times for some, I'd say ghosts would be a step up from what they have now

[Anonymous No.]

>>68705774
>NijiWWE was great. The puyopuyo tetris tournaments were great. The minecraft event was great. As was the TSB custom

Speak for yourself. The majority of viewers didn't give a single fuck about any of those events. They exist solely for the reason churning users from one channel to another, and you're actually retarded if you think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676503
>not the first post by this IP
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>68707221
NTA but alternatively, you can speak for yourself. See how that works, sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68676503
Use the Enna picture next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>68695219
3D models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68706619
> Let me just say that around August Selen found thirteen artists to draw for her MV (I did post about it), and we immediately sent emails to sign NDAs with the company. At the end I only got the official contract and I still haven't received the email that asked for where the money should be paid, and even though my communications with Selen didn't go smoothly at the end she gave me the money. How are you still criticising Selen for not giving money to the creators? Most of the time the artists will draw only after the company has signed the contract, but everyone has finished drawing, Selen has left, and there are still a few artists who haven't seen their contracts. Whose problem is that?

It is a really rough but accurate translation. A bunch of stuff is lost/not translated. I've cleaned up the few things bc the original has a lot of running sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683686
if staff help her or not they still get their salary dumbass
but for nijiEN? staff actively hinder the talents projects all the time
nijiEN staff notoriously fucked up song perms making many members art/mixing commission go to waste

[Anonymous No.]

>>68694954
>nijisanji had permissions
>the song was a cover not a original, which anycolor holds the rights for every member original
>the song is copyright free so there's no legal ramification to that
the only thing anycolor has rights in this matter is the characters IP on the video, but is not like nijisanji goes around striking clips for "reuploading" their IP content

[Anonymous No.]

>>68683000
>They created the public that now uncritically believes this girl
Retard, nothing that she said was news for anyone who spent 5 minutes on this board, it's just that normies don't care about stuff until someone tries to kill themselves over it (and even then, only sometimes) and only now they are raising a stink about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68708150
not even that for nijiEN HAHAHAHAHAHA
Obysidia debuted over 2.5years ago and still no company 3D, unlike holoEN there was not covid lockdown to delay the 3D debuts

part of those 200k is Selen's semi-chibi 3D model