/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Does anyone else think it's in poor taste to make someone's suicide attempt about her?

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>>68623136
*cums in you*

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>bogstandard vent post #31
>IS SHE MAKING THIS ABOUT THAT ONE ORGAN???? HOW DARE SHE

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obligatory Sayu did nothing wrong statement

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>>68623136
That's not what she's doing, god forbid someone speak.

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is she frustated cause all the other livers who exited niji are having success while she is treated as "persona non grata" by every company but hoyoverse/phase

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>>68623136
And you're any better by starting a witch hunt against someone you've already outed for good?

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>>68623385
actually yes. you can check /ss/ in the archives if you want more info.

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>>68623136
the fact that all other graduated Nijis avoid her like the plague is very telling

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>>68623136
*sigh*
*cums in, on, and around you*

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>>68623385
>genshin sponsorship
>plap connect connections now that they've catapulted to #3 after the nijimplosion
I just don't understand why she can't be... well happy is probably too much, sure. But at least okay with what she currently has. I'd take the genshin + phasegirls combo over crumbs of Nina's attention. Like sure Nina's cool but come on.

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>>68623136
It is based if that suicide was fake. Honestly I love Sayu for being the herald of vtuber apocalypse.

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>>68623136
She's politely telling her autistic audience to not bring Selen drama up in her streams.

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>>68623596
This.

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>>68623534
It's telling that she wasn't in the company long enough to be close to people enough for it to matter as much as others. Selen had already networked with multiple people so it led to a massive chain reaction. Whereas Zaion simply wasn't. It's the sad reality.

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>>68623315
noooooooo

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>>68623596
I barely watch Nina streams because half of them are collabs with VShojo. Not even shitting on them, i'm just not interested.

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also u guys can call me phasekek all u want but her saying in a previous tweet "I knew i'd be on my own secluded island for probably the rest of my content creating life", she has a lot of friends in phase, sakana probably wouldnt mind her joining if she tells him the truth about all stuff (kinda the same as clara multiple past graduations), and phase is probably now the third best ORG to join (after niji self implotion), but it feels like her EGO doesnt allow her to join something that seems like a downgrade compared to niji

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>>68623385
She went full dramatuber and included a more popular liver because she didn't have the required clout to fight back the nijihorde. This was a bad move.

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>>68623385
She was in Nijisanji for what? 5 months? I don't know why she's expecting anything afterwards. She hasn't built up the fanbase like the others had but she's still doing fine.

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>>68623534
It means she's based.

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>>68623385
Her numbers are better than 3/4 of current NijiEN she shouldn't be frustrated. Yes of course she's not going to be second Selen but Selen had 800k subs and the best numbers among female Nijis.

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Getting excluded from the tribe was a death sentence for 99% of human history it's normal to go mental from that, its iterally part of human evolution. I just hope she gets over it.

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>>68623809
It'd honestly be a good fresh start for her if she wants to belong to a community with friends. Obviously what she's doing now is fine. But she's going to have to move on and stop talking about the past.
And for the love of fucking god, stop appearing on Dramatuber channels/streams.

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>>68623534
Mysta and Nina are complete retards so this says nothing. We'll see what happens with Pomu and Selen in the future.

Also her Hoyo sponsorship should be enough to keep her going anyways.

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>>68623385
hoyoverse litterally shit on genshit and so by extension their biggest content creator

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>>68623621
This would be more believable if she didn't hop on a stream of a dramatuber a few days ago to try to leech off some of the attention that Selen's termination was getting. If she truly wants to "move on" to some higher relevancy beyond just being known for "hey, remember that menhera girl who got fired from Kurosanji with a retarded termination notice?", she should just stop involving herself with / being desperate for the attention of Nijishitter talents, ex-Nijishitters and most importantly stay the fuck away from dramagrifters.
Or not, and be forever seething that she's not relevant enough to get 100k+ views on her own return stream like she thinks she's owed or whatever

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>>68624122
No one can if no closure is reached

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>>68623136
As a Freebird I think Sayu is generally a clown who shot herself in the foot with how she exited Nijisanji and milked that subsequently, but I see nothing wrong about this post. OP smells like yet another Nijiflection thread to me.

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>>68623136
Bitch is the ONLY one who publicly did ANYTHING to prevent something like Selen's suicide attempt from happening, and publicly told her to get out while she could. All the support for Dokibird is in large due to Zaion having preemptively corroborated everything Doki said in her own manifesto exposing the black company for what it is. And yet you bastards have to dog on the one person who did the right fucking thing.

Of course she's depressed, watching Doki get all the support she never got while her own subscriber count doesn't go up by even 1K. She's reliving all the trauma that place and its fans put on her all over again. Of course she's going to tweet the reason if she's gonna vanish for a few days, that's not making it about her, that's just basic fucking responsibility. And of course if people interview her she's going to talk about her nightmare story and not Selen's, because that's why she was fucking interviewed.

...and you do this why? Because she once revealed that Nina was depressed with the state of Niji? Is that it?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

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>>68624381
Nigga if fucking selen can move on and say she wants to stop looking back at the past then sayu has absolutely no excuse

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>>68623895
No not really. She did enough shit to lose the trust of people she cared about. In no way is that "based."

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>>68624441
Doki was given way more than just closure. Sayu was given absolutely none.

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>>68623385
>associate with /here/ drama"people"
>be shunned by everyone but the /here/ dramacompany
not the bumbliest bee in the hive

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>>68624504
The fuck do you mean, she was vindicated and niji is burning. How is that not closure

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>>68624593
And regrets it, most likely. Especially when they see her as a mere accessory.

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>>68624332
I get the impression she might be regretting that decision now. Honestly I am finally starting to feel bad for her. It was funny at first laughing at her continuing misfortune but now it is just getting too sad.

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>>68624600
You didn't read her story a year ago

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>>68624628
lmfao
She was on one of their channels to milk the selen drama the instant it dropped
regret my ass

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>>68624332
It was the best thing she coulda done to support Dokibird, and it's not as if she's stupid enough to ignore a live call from FalseID. She's always been eager to get her story out and a lot of the support for Doki is thanks to that story.

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>>68624735
Oh please, she's an attention whore that saw the cow and stuck her mouth on its tit like it was a faucet

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>>68624504
Closure is wholly within one's psyche isn't it? She needs to stop letting Nijisanji live rent-free in her head and move on on her own terms.

Captcha: gayj0

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>>68624801
If she passed on a chance to back Selen regarding the black company, THEN I'd call her a shit person. You've got it backwards. She did the best thing she could have done for her.

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>>68623534
Nina and Mysta where part of the problem within Niji as far a clique bullshit went, I do wonder what happened between her and Selen though. It's obvious they are on bad terms, but that information has either avoided me or is above my paygrade.

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>>68624332
Unironically, collabing with False helped her alot even if the board hates dramatubers. His image outside of /vt/ is very good.

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>>68623859
She didn't do any favors for herself declaring war on the company as a literal who. Especially if she expected a nijiEN implosion.
What is it about streamers and streamer orgs and not understanding how to PR? She'd have had better luck letting this shithole manage her.

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>>68624904
Yeah, that's when you tweet about "oh I understand what she's going through, I'm here for her, hoping for full recovery" yadda yadda
Not this leech mentality of "oh she hurt herself, I'm so frustrated that people didn't like me like they like her waaaah waaah"

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>>68624440
Oh yes, she made the terrible mistake of revealing that Nina was depressed from dealing with NijiEN. What a fucking betrayal.

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>>68623136
Sad that her whole personality is "nijisanji bad". Selen did the right thing, niji doesn't deserve her time and is focusing on future goals.

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>>68624407
I'm confused how you can call yourself a freebird and say she's stupid for how she left considering the company it was and how they treated Selen.
I don't disagree that she's her own worse enemy but what?

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>>68623596
Honestly this.
I believe a lot of her mental state is caused less by her lack of "success", and more the isolation she feels from the side of the vTubing sphere that she is now blacklisted from. Her options as far as actual friends in the industry, is a handful of indies, Phase, and up & coming 2views.

Could be a serious bummer if you main interest in Vtubing was Niji/vShojo and it's orbiters.

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>>68624897
She may never have what she once did have in Nijisanji; people she could trust. Even if she didn't know some people very long, it probably meant the world to her to at least have a group of people where she could be accepted before she made costly decisions with herself. And if she has to live with that one mistake forever, ask yourself this, is there ANY chance you could possibly get over it without closure?

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>>68624919
Holy ESL

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>>68625077
Well it's letting a secret float out to the open, and given to a third party with bad intentions, so yes, it is a betrayal and should be seen as one.

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>>68624959
We end up linking this video every time some ass makes one of these threads, might as well be me this time:
https://youtu.be/dnP5bIRfwq0?si=UkGXarE7chZvkGxk&t=215

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>>68624919
>Nina and Mysta where part of the problem within Niji as far a clique bullshit went
Nina was literally bullied and left out of collabs by her own genmates. She noped out of there and even included the shitty work culture in her old job in Matara's lore.

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>>68625077
Yeah I'm sure Niji management made sure to treat Nina extra well after Sayu revealed her private thoughts.

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>>68625191
>trusting Niji co-workers with your entire heart
jesas

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>>68625003
Which she did, tweeted directly to Doki. This was about telling her fans why she was going to vanish for a few days, knowing full well they knew she was depressed, and given what happened with Doki, the sort of thoughts that would go through peoples heads if she vanished without notice.

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>>68625250
If my friends ever betray me, I sure as fuck hope that's how and why they do it.

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>>68625360
How would you know what people they are behind the scenes? Especially to her? These may have been people she looked up to and still does. Again, you don't know anything about what Sayu could have gone through. If she has to be seen as her one mistake she's made with those people, IT ABSOLUTELY HURTS WITHOUT THE CLOSURE

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>>68625344
>You can be an instigator and a victim at the same time

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>>68625344
What I don't get is that Zaion was a flash in the pan compared to Selen and Nina. Those two suffered long-term deep emotional abuse. But both of them are moving towards the future while zaion is still sitting on her ass all "woe is me"

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>>68625450
Well don't ever do what Sayu did, what she did is a guaranteed trust breaker. Why the fuck would she do that and what the fuck was she thinking airing out secrets like this? It's both rude and disrespectful REGARDLESS of who it is involving and what the contents of them are.

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>>68624919
I don't think she and Selen are on bad terms, so much as no terms, as she isn't among the Niji livers she met in person or collaborated with. It'd be kind of nice if Doki threw her a bone, but that might be just about the worst thing for Sayu right now.

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>>68625499
You just don't get it do you? Doki and Matara each got their respective closures and were allowed to speak for themselves, Sayu was silenced the entire time she was put on the spot.

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>>68625178
Was making a rape joke really that bad?
Aia literally barked like a horny dog for some mommy muscle devil lady.

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>>68624919
>I do wonder what happened between her and Selen though.
What's there to wonder about? They were never close to begin with. Selen was pretty much an OG and along for several years, while Sayu was only there for a few months before she flamed out on her own. There is no reason for Selen to involve herself with Sayu, no matter what the latter may think she is "owed" ("b-but I've been publicly supporting her!" Selen doesn't care for your transparent attempts to leech some relevancy. "b-but we could commiserate together about how shitty Kurosanji is!" Selen has other ex-Niji people for that she's actually close with, you're basically just a stranger).
If Sayu is NOT just trying to leech some relevancy by this clinging, she should just take the hint that if people are ignoring you, it's better to stop caring and just ignore them back so everyone can go their separate ways instead of trying to force something and become even more pathetic in the process

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>>68625499
Probably due to being harassed by people like OP and half the posters here for over a year.

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>>68625585
retard

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>>68623385
You can recover from almost anything, but you can never even so much as mention or allude to the kikes in a negative light, even in jest, even proximally, even by accident, even by happenstance, lest you get completely destroyed. The jewish question is verboten.
Even still, her income and ccv approximates to the top 80th percentile of Nijisanji, so she is doing perfectly fine, and no amount of lazy kvetching by (you) and (yours) will change that.

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>>68625620
Not an argument

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>>68625173
NTA, but just because they both got fucked over by Nijisanji, doesn't mean they're obligated to be friends or even in contact with each other.
Sayu is clearly menhera and Doki would only hurt her own career associating with her.
And before some retard tries it. Doki owes Sayu nothing.

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>im done with the past
>keeps inserting herself in every niji drama
Is sayu legit menhera and retarded or is it her dramanigger friend's influence?
Anyone wanna chime in?

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>>68625499
Nina got yoinked into a far better place and made many more friends and connections, Doki became the absolute drama spotlight of all streamers, with overwhelming support, leading to a hugely successful redebut.
Sayu got ridiculed and exiled. It's a little apples to oranges, anon

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>>68625611
She'd be a total cikd bitch and a hypocrite to boot, if she ignored Doki at this point. As it is, she reached out to her and corroborated her story via live broadcast. Best thing she could have done for her.

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>>68625699
all of the above

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>>68625699
She has PTSD

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>>68625699
It'd be criminally irresponsible for her not to raise her voice again after NijiEN managed to drive one of their talents to suicide.

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>>68625173
Here is the thing: even if we take what Sayu said in her exposé on Nijisanji completely at fave value, she makes an excessive amount of excuses for behaviour that would never have flied at any company with the level of prestige Nijisanji still commanded at that time. If she tried this same shit as Hololive, she still would have been let go. Certainly not as unceremoniously as Nijisanji did, but scooted out the door nonetheless. Hell, I suspect even Sakana would have rejected her for being so reckless
In her conduct s, her Phaselike sense of humour notwithstanding.

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>>68623534
She has dark humor that makes the zoomers and leafs upset. She did however broke any ties she had left with the livers after collabing with the parrot and depressednegro.

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>>68625794
It's 2024. People get ptsd for misplacing their car keys

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>>68625585
Is putting out a fucking short story worth of your story somehow not enough closure?

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>>68625452
>>68625585
Fuck off with your "closure" bullshit. If those other people don't want anything to do with her, she should respect that and move on (the other people clearly have). She's not entitled to their attention, especially not for boohoo "woe is me" menhera reasons like "but I want muh cloooosure, therefore I am owed your attention!!!!"

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>>68623136
>grifting retard unable to find a way to capitalize in this fucking drama
>NONE of the former EN graduates even want to associate with her
do you really believe this whore?

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>>68625846
now scale that trauma to AnyKuro standards and it's amazing she (and doki) are still standing

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>>68625699
She has what is called traumatic re-enactment and combine that with a lack of closure from those she wanted to get it from, then she more or less can't help herself.

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>>68625607
Nah, the issue was she loosely enabled people to allude to and make fun of kikes. That was the issue. The terminally online trannies that attacked her for the rape joke were sicced by their handlers, as the useful idiots that they are, with the rape joke as a pretext.
90% of her attackers probably have literal cp, thousands of pages of fujoshi BL mutilation and homosexual rape doujinshi, and tranny grooming discord logs in their hard drives. As is usual.

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>>68625856
None of the others got the wombo combo of hard doxxing + constant death threats. Turns out that traumatizes people a bit. Weird, huh?

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>>68624426
They're npc tribalfags. No morals or ethics, just picks a side and goes ooga booga if something threatens their group.

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>>68623385
She's unironically jealous that Dokibird garnered such an outpour of love and support, shile she's being left to rot, wondering why she's being treated different (even when she was a Niji talent for barely 3 months), so Sayu's trying to get what she believes she deserves. Ironically enough, she would do better if she stopped being so bitter, but right now she's showing her leeching out for the world to see. Fuck her and her MEMEME behaviour

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>>68625846
What is it with you Nijisisters and showing no empathy at all?
>>68625872
It's one thing to be a self-pitying needy faggot, but it's another to be completely silenced without an explanation why

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>>68624600
That's revenge not closure.

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>>68623596
It's lowkey understandable.
Good things coming don't magically wipe away what happened and there's always this looming threat/reality that you'll always feel branded and question whether the people around you are also thinking about you through the lens of your prior misdeeds. Sometimes you may feel like you're not ever really outlive your past. I can relate a lot to that.

Time does heal wounds, however, it just takes people some time to realize that when you're tossed into a world without color, that too is a world you can dye.

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>>68625872
>victims should just shutup and move on
No

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>>68625695
I never said they did have to associate with each other. But it's just strange for that anon to say "the way they left Nijisanji" when they know more than anyone that it was completely out of their control. She was just unfortunate to suffer through it when Nijisanji "could do no wrong"
But again, I can't disagree that her association in this drama has only poisoned her. That's why it's best for her to drop it all as soon as possible.

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>>68626100
Well in that case she needs to exit the public space and get a therapist, because she's actively making it worse for herself with this bullshit

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>>68625699
she is both menhera, hangs around too much with dramagrifters, AND has a chip on her shoulder about not being as popular as other ex-Niji's like Doki post graduation like she thinks she "deserves" instead (I was the first!! / I suffered so much more!!! -syndrome). And on some level she knows that continuing to insert herself into any current Niji drama (not like there aren't enough opportunities nowadays lmao) is the only/best way for her to stay relevant and get attention for herself, so of course that's what she's gonna do.

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>>68626159
Sayu is a perpetrator as much as she's a victim, but even then, a little idea of where things lie wouldn't hurt for her to fully move on.

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>>68623136
Does anyone else thinks it's in poor taste if someone makes Riku's attempt at having a yacht about their own suicide attempt?

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>>68626079
Wrong, she's frustrated no one in that group stood up for her then or now despite being fully vindicated and instead choose to ignore her suffering.

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>>68626203
>just get prescribed big pharma drugs and never feel any emotion again
No

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>>68626219
>NO U
Proof next thread right?

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>>68625607
It's not that bad unless you are a chronically online Twitter user who tries to speak for every rape victim and other group subject to oppression at one point in history. Which is exactly the audience NijiEN was catering to by that point.

She was either stupid or deliberately sabotaging herself to not realize that. And no, muscle mommy jokes are not rdmotely in the same ballpark as rape jokes. One indicates someone has a sense of good taste. The other indicates the exact opposite.

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>>68626267
oh ok, you're actually schizo

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>>68626258
Because she was a perpetrator as much as she was a victim. Still, wouldn't you also expect a little transparency on the other side?

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>>68626219
I agree anon: I too think that women expressing their will is a grave offense.

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>>68626327
See
>>68626308

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>>68625742
Doki didn't ask for it, doesn't need it and doesn't care.
Sayu should take the hint

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>>68626308
Anon, I'm on Sayu's side. She obviously has a lot of baggage on her end, but it shouldn't keep her silenced because she did wrong.

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>>68624593
>>68624628
Or
and try to empathize
she'll talk to anyone who will talk to her, even if they are just drama bottomfeeders, since nobody else will.

I think the Sayu arc is a little sad, but for someone who's gone thru the equivalent of vtuber cancel culture, it really makes you isolated and desperate for any reciprocation.

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>>68624067
Some of the best numbers*

>>68623596
Unironically you’d had made more off a raid shadow legends sponsor

[Anonymous No.]

She associated with drama retards and deserves to be treated as such filth.

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>>68626373
Is leaking someone's secrets to a dramafag and making offensive jokes justifiable?

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>>68626410
>she'll talk to anyone who will talk to her, even if they are just drama bottomfeeders, since nobody else will.
She could have chose to ignore them and their bad intentions, regardless of how much we need human contact. Confide in better people, I'm sorry.

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>>68626461
Whistleblowing on a black company is always justifiable. Even if it hurts someone in the process. Hurting one person to save many will always be justified.

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>>68623596
>Nina's cool
She's a liberal commie, the type that says they believe all the talking points but chooses to benefit from capitalist practices. She has no ethics other than only thing good is what's good for her. She's not to be trusted.

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>>68626461
You're saying this as if this is a crime worth thinking about. This isn't fucking twitter anon: not a single sane person cares about this retarded shit.

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>>68624407
without here you wouldn't be a free bird retard. Matter of fact if Zaion didn't erode the foundation of NijiEN, your Oshi would have to endure all attacks from all sides.
Now you retard will say something about how Selen never did anyone dirty blablabla. It doesn't matter who was the victim at all. You just ride that nijisister train like a dirty whore. I am disgusted by having to share a fandom with you.

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>>68626435
And what if she doesn't want to anymore?

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>>68626580
You're a sociopath.
>>68626587
So are you.

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>>68626581
If she's so bad, try to convince Sayu of that instead of anons, so she can stop pining for her attention or whatever.

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>>68626666
pot calling the kettle black sis

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>>68626737
Not an argument

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>>68626562
I think I agree with you, but I think it's closer to scolding someone who's poor and starved to death to pick better food than the fast food being offered.

I don't think she's making the best choices, but I definitely don't blame her, as this is 1000% catharsis for her (even if the people who are demonizing Niji for how they treated selen are still anti sayu for reasons).

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>>68626705
I've tried, she doesn't want to hear it and thought she Nina were friends instead of a convenient trauma dump recepticle. So I come to vent /here/

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>>68626614
Schizo, you've overplayed your hand.
If you want to drum up support and for people to be sympathetic to Sayu, maybe try not shitting on other people's oshis. That generally doesn't endear them to your cause.

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The amount of nonsensical seethe Sayu creates for some people /here/ is almost comical.

Dear nijisis, you were incorrect about Nijisanji when Zaion was fired. We know you all have trouble dealing by the fact that you were proven to be clinically retarded, but trying to put Sayu on trial now will not change the fact that she was right and (You) were incorrect.
Even if Zaion did bad shit, it doesn't make Nijisanji anymore right in the way they did things: you were still incorrect and blinded by your boot licking instincts when the termination happened the way it did.
Sayu is a woman with mental issues, and she does menhera shit. She has things to deal with, and should learn do deal with them. That still doesn't make you retroactively right about Nijisanji when Zaion was terminated.
Just like Sayu, Nijisisters should learn to move on.

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>>68626838
Anon, as someone who used to be in a gang because they had no one to rely on for support, you really should be smart with who you get involved with. My gang affiliations cost me friendships I've had since childhood, and my mistake is all I'll be ever known to them, that's why I feel for Sayu the most. She's living my experiences right now.

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>>68626666
If you don't think whistleblowing on a company that drove one of its talents to suicide and put targets on the back of all of the rest doesn't far outweigh the terrible sin of revealing that one of them was depressed, then you're the sociopath.

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>>68626921
They'll never come to terms with the fact they sided with and defended a monster. That would take honesty and courage.

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>>68626581
>rent free

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>>68627020
A company which had other people that found the way management handled Selen's case despicable indeed. But it doesn't excuse her for her own sins she's committed while there too. Everyone involved has feelings, Niji management not withstanding.

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>>68626666
>You're a sociopath.
No anon, that's basic ethics. You do whatever you can to minimize suffering. And if that means causing the suffering of one to minimize suffering on a larger scale, then that is ethical. It's a fucking trolley problem. It isn't complicated.

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>>68624801
Anon, all vtubers are attention whores

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>>68626949
You can (probably) save her anon.

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>>68627226
Not when the person doing it said things to hurt specific people in the past. That's where I'm getting at. Because in that case, it's just "thank you for your service, now fuck off."

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>>68623136
>That Narrative
You should apply to journalism school.

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>>68627308
I can't. I live with the exact same trauma from my past every day. I'll probably never be happy because I have few if any friends in life.

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>>68623136
Monthly Sayu twitter breakdowns are always fun to watch ngl

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>>68627359
Nobody is perfect anon. I'm not even trying to argue whether Sayu is a good or bad person. People cannot be judged in a vacuum, but an action can be. Which is why I focused on whistleblowing. Because that IS a good action. Even if her intentions were wrong(which I don't believe anyone can prove), the action itself was a good one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68627572
I'm starting to think women don't understand actual ethics. Go anywhere on the internet and it's all "this guy is a good/bad/horrible/rotten/great person" takes from one event that's probably out-of-context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68627572
We're on the same page then. But I still think that there could be at least a little closure gained at the end. My biggest complaint with Sayu is that she went too far with her offhand leaks and perhaps timed her apology way too early, not giving her the time to process it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68627842
Her being Matara

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Sayu did nothing wrong, sister. She will prevail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625344
Nina developed good relationship with Ethyria later on. Watch streams. She was bullied by the clique early on but she joined the clique later. That's always been her goal, to be in the clique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626212
But Yugo was first

[Anonymous No.]

She is so socially retarded with how she ineptly and pathetically pickmes her ex-senpais that I honestly wonder whethet she is just a female autist. I suspect dramafagging might actually be her hyperfixation, which will never endear her to the camaraderie with vtubers she so desperately wants to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68628213
She identifies as a roach for a reason, surviving by any means necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>68624919
>her and Selen
Nothing. Selen was mainly focused on FPS, Sayu never really had a chance to interact with her in the short time she was in Nijisanji. They went through somewhat similar experiences but it happened at different times and they were never close to each other. Selen's first problems were in May 2023 iirc, Zaion was already long gone by that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623596
She should collab more with some of the less crazy Phase stacies and you basically get a less bitchy Nina to bounce energy off of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623809
You might be onto something with the ego, a lot of her problems seem to stem from her inability to ego-check herself and try to build proper friendships with people that's less than Bao/Shylily/Big-2 corpo level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625971
Translation WAHWAHWAH MYSTA WONT COLLAB WITH ME

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
yes. i find this person fucking mental. Literally everything that happened since the selen fiasco has just been ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEE with her. Not once has she addressed the attempt or commented on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68628985
I really think she should go on vacation, take a break from the internet and detox. This isn't healthy and doesn't make her situation better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68628985
But you're the one bringing up Selen everywhere. She really hit a nerve huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>68628638
More like she's tried to find herself and atone for all of her problems for months, but never was able to receive it because she was completely silenced and a theoretical restraining order was placed on her against her will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68628985
No, she's regretful of her past actions and wanted to vent those. Is she not allowed to voice that? Or do you think any reflection at all is self-pity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625631
Calm down SDF

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626581
>She's a liberal commie, the type that says they believe all the talking points but chooses to benefit from capitalist practices
you have this literally backwards
the "commies" who think that social change is a matter of moral lifestyles and personal choices are the ones with an idealist and individualist (ie. liberal) worldview
not gonna get baited to /pol/post any further though

[Anonymous No.]

>sayu should stop bitching and move on
I mean, I agree, but that's a little hard when you've been harassed and doxxed to the point of developing an actual mental trauma.

Let's be honest here for a second: Sayu is an easy punching bag for the sisters because she acts like a human being. She's not a perfect corpo vtuber who can hide behind vague tweets when she's feeling bad after making a mistake, nor does she have coworkers or managers who will cover her ass when she messes up. Or a community big enough to silence the voices of her antis.

The sisters (and most vtuber fans, really) want to pretend that vtubers are some kind of flawless beings with no real faults. And if someone shows any sign of weakness or steps out of line, it's over for them. They're labeled as bad people, no second chances allowed. No one can grow, learn from their mistakes or overcome their faults. Every single dumb shit they did will follow them forever. That's why you have sisters, unicorns and schizos doing insane mental gymnastics to excuse every single shitty thing their oshis do.

Look at the indie sphere, and you'll find hundreds of insane dramas every day that would keep this place busy for months if people cared about anything beyond the main companies and agencies. I've seen some anons making up insane stuff about Sayu, like her gaslighting Nina and leaking her DMs in the manifesto she created, because the reality is actually pretty fucking boring,

So far, this is the list of Sayu's crimes:

>Being an (allegedly, but probably) shitty coworker
>Wanting to retaliate against the company that mistreated her and put a target on her back
>Befriending an asshole because he was one of the few who tried to help her out when no one else would
>Having a fight with a friend over stupid and dumb shit when she was feeling extremely depressed
>Wanting acceptance to the point of being cringe

That's literally it. I'm sure most of us do stuff like that (or worse) every single week. Fuck, sisters have actually harassed and harmed people, and they have the balls of accusing Sayu of being a bad person.

Sayu has been through some real and insane tough shit. She never got the help she needed, and it's perfectly normal if sometimes she feels like absolute shit and needs to vent. The rest of the time, she spends it streaming, hanging out with her community, and having fun with her friends. You won't hear about any of that here, though. Because this place only cares about making everyone as miserable as possible.

She will be fine. Sure, she might make another mistake someday, feel bad about it, and maybe even throw a tantrum. But that's okay because the next day, she'll bounce back, and we'll continue making great memories and having a good time. That's just part of being human.

[Anonymous No.]

I seriously do not understand why this woman lets that shithole of a company live rent free in her mind to this day. It's already hard enough to understand why anyone with a bit of awareness would join it, but here I'm just getting the feeling that the mental retardation from there just sticks with the people who left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625699
>Is one of the only people actually willing to talk about her experience getting publicly executed by the black company
Ofc dramatubers would go to her she's the only one actually saying anything. I'm happy for Matara and Kuro finding their own places but god them saying nothing despite how badly they were treated speak wonders about how buck broken they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
you skipped over her disgusting r4pe jokes

[Anonymous No.]

>>68629335
Sure she is, but do you really need to reflect publicly for a week straight multiple times per day while phrasing it in the most attention seeking way? You sound like a faggot with BPD who can relate to her mental illness

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
Nobody pretends these people are perfect retard, its just fucking tiring that they're all severely mentally ill or have some disability. "be normal" is a perfectly normal request

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631461
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631601
>its just fucking tiring that they're all severely mentally ill or have some disability.
Anon, you are watching people acting like anime characters while playing video games. They are all severely mentally ill. So are you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626079
>she was a Niji talent for barely 3 months

This is what she needs to understand. She also spent a lot of time being timed out which didn't really count either way until the termination, people thought she was just suspended for a very tame joke and were more of rolling their eyes at niji management's petty shit right up until the notice. At the time, people weren't expecting nijis to drop like flies (much less brand new ones) and then the pitchforks came out.. but there was hardly anything to even go off of with Zaion herself as a chuuba.

Selen on the other hand had worked her way up to be one of the most famous ENs there is period and was seen as an essential pillar, openly has friends in Hololive etc so is well-connected across the aisle to the vtuber sphere overall and such. And, the circumstances of her leaving was one of the biggest rage-baits you can think of - management slapped down a vid she poured a bunch of money and effort into that she made for her fans, costing her a bunch of money in the process, and then the sudoku attempt on top of that revealing she had been bullied a ton this whole time make it so like, the circumstances of internal stupid bullshit at Niji are the problem in both cases, but it's greatly amplified in all dimensions in Selen's case. Not to mention, Selen leaving comes on the heels of Pomu and Kyo leaving only a month ago too which contributes to the chaotic feel in the air that shit is absolutely going down in flames. When Zaion got canned people were still trying to hold the fort and the talents went and blamed her to try to force all the fans to accept it and let her go. This time? Talents are just silent, not even trying to damage control anymore, taking breaks to avoid the firestorm, there is no sweeping it under the rug this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631601
>"be normal" is a perfectly normal request
Happy we agree. Normal people commit mistakes every single day and make dumb decisions all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
I understand why she feels that way but she's been doing really well. I feel like if she just needs to be like "see I was right!" And then position herself more arrogant than mopey. Take pride in what she's done and keep pushing. She should be making new friends with idol and phase people not worrying about vshojo whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631848
Zaion cracked the foundations so Selen could fly free

[Anonymous No.]

So she's basically upset that she didn't get the same amount of support as Selen did? It makes sense, Selen was the most subbed in nijien and Zaion was very new, even she did have a small following. That doesn't mean people still don't support her

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
>whitewashing sucking off flipsagi

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
Best post I've seen this week

[Anonymous No.]

>>68632134
Stop samefagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Should have dedicated yourself to your husband and had some kids instead. Bitch you're almost 40.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68624426
Yeah Nina's pettiness really showed

[Anonymous No.]

>>68632217
schizo-anon..

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
This is a good set of thoughts

[Anonymous No.]

>>68632217
>new ip
retardchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625699
she probably has ptsd and hasn't had any help in trying to work through it

woman needs more therapy and less getting herself into situations where the internet wants to yell at her for saying the wrong thing one time

also zaion debuted almost exactly a year ago, there's probably all kinds of shit running through her mind right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631865
Normal people do not make the same mistake repeatedly. Thats called being a fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>68633315
>Normal people do not make the same mistake repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68633414
Literally yes, I dont know how any of you fuck ups keep a job or people you love if you continuously make the same mistake daily for weeks on end

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626949
There was a reason you joined the gang, no? Because it was the optimal choice for you at the time? Same reasoning applies here

[Anonymous No.]

>>68627842
Nina had months to process it already, if she still completely blocked Sayu off then it's a done deal
Her fraternizing with Kyo pretty much means she picked a side

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
Least insane Sayufag (I applaud you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Reminder that she is a streamer, whose job is to convince her viewers to donate/suppport her where possible. Any pity bait is, first and foremost, pity bait. And that's why I dropped Sayu for literally anyone else whose mind isn't infested with drama. I don't blame her, I'm just a single viewer with more appealing options.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Feel bad for her. Must be rough when your trigger is niji drama. Imagine being a war veteran and everday is new year, that's what its like for Sayu

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
Nicely put Pomufren

[Anonymous No.]

>>68633489
>I dont know how any of you fuck ups keep a job or people you love if you continuously make the same mistake daily for weeks on end
What are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
Good post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68634215
he is defending his theory that a normal person does not make mistakes more than twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>68633539
Except it wasn’t. She had a million better options than Depressed Nousagi

[Anonymous No.]

>>68625631
Uncanny valley is a natural instinct that survived the culling of evolution because recognising wasmannian mimicry greatly increased survivability. They look human, but they are not human.
Even still, her income and ccv approximates to the top 80th percentile of 2434, so she is doing fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68634478
Right. Who else would have reached out to her while she was freshly terminated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68634588
>>68634478
Didn't she outright admit she had sex with this guy so that he wouldnt have to feel "lonely" for another night because she could relate? Not trying to spread false rrats but pretty sure thats what she said

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635009
H-hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635009
Well maybe you should stop spreading that rrat because she was referring to her collab you dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635009
>Not trying to spread false rrats
>but pretty sure thats what she said
She said she wanted him to have a good time (in the collab). Ask yourself if she would tweet about having sex with someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68634478
Who? I'm legitimately curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
I think what's in bad taste is using your own suicide attempt to bait people into buying your merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635370
>I'm literally broke, I need money to pay up my bills, and I'd like to do some projects in the near future, so here's my merch if you want to help me
What a vile person.

[Anonymous No.]

Sisters... you need to send better warriors...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635596
She's literally guilt tripping people into buying merch you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635849
She is literally asking people to buy her merch because she needs to pay shit you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Suicide affects people other than the person, anon. My sister attempted suicide once and you better believe I had all kinds of feelings about it. If you don't understand that, then you might lack basic empathy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635969
Yes there's a word for that, begging

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635288
He started the whole YouTuber Drama-Video Essay hybrid trend a few years back, then got exposed for promoting having freely available PL info on Hololive talents behind paywalls on Patreon or some such. A real sleazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68636116
>Hey want to buy some merch
>sure
Holy shit, I can't believe this

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626562
>Confide in better people
Like Mel did?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68635370
NDF, what is it you think Vtubers do?

"A famous comedienne attempt suicide, so it's in bad taste for her to make a living touring and telling jokes."

At least she's getting more than 2% now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68636116
I'm gonna be honest. Sayu is a real piece of work. She made her bed, and she is now wallowing in it. But it's still pretty weird to be hung up on this as a smoking gun condemnation of Sayu. She is just promoting herself like any other vtuber does . Unless she has "I Survived Nijisanji" merch, I wouldn't call that in itself exploitative. The dpuble-standard here is weirdly palpable of you ask me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68636115
I don't mean "who is DN"
I mean, if there's a million other people, who? Give examples of options that Sayu had to talk to. And I don't mean 1 view indies who are looking for free clout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68636785 (me)
Oh wait, this was about Selen and "muh sussycide", not Sayu. Disregard that, I suck cocks. That other guy really was a Nijidrone, derailing as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68636785
>Unless she has "I Survived Nijisanji" merch
TAKE MY MONEY!!!

The girl did more than anyone else to reveal Nijisanji for the black company it is and prevent this suicide attempt. The fact that it wasn't enough? That's on us, not her.

She's the hero and the victim here, not the villain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637128
wierd falseflag sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637128
Imagine
An "I survived N*j*" mug

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637215
Everything you don't like is a NDF falseflag to you people

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637215
Eh? That was in defense of Sayu, HTF am I a sis now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637069
(me)
Hell I would have collabed with her to make her feel better, and I'm not even a content creator. I'm pretty sure I don't count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637511
These people will call anyone who's even slightly critical of Selen a sis, pay it no mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637590
I wasn't critical of Selen at all... But okay.

[Anonymous No.]

Consider this
90% of all discussion about i've seen about her both /here/ and in the normiephere is either from drama from her or as a response to ny niji drama that happens. Even her own general, which is just barely kept alive, ends up just timelooping how wronged she was over and over instead of actual stream discussion.

She got fired in a shitty way, and got bullied by bootlicking retards on twitter, it's unfair and i'm sorry that happened to her, but at the end of the day she was barely in niji, and didn't gain ANY of the tight connections or longstanding fanbases other graduates like Selen and Nina has.
At some point both her and her fans just need to let go and let her enjoy her good success as an indie, tweets like in OP just make her look like an attention whore at this point.
Also if you directly associate with containment breakers, then don't be surprised if that puts you on a blacklist with certain corpos or indie groups

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637921
>instead of actual stream discussion.
How many streams have there been?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68626580
>Hurting one person to save many will always be justified.
Well I guess she got that. She hurt Nina/Matara thus she has the word with VShojo to not acknowledge Sayu, and you sure as hell won't get support from notPomu since she's friends with Matara. That's just one part of a larger web of people that you're potentially excluding yourself from. There's a little thing you need, and it's called tact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637069
She literally was collabing with people from face connect the same week that she was collabing with a guy who profited off of selling potential dox information of talents from Holo.
Also, before you go
>Well it was just a silly mistake
She literally defended him on Twitter and judging by the pictures that she now deleted where she is holding a brown hand on New Year's, there's a good chance that she met with him IRL and was literally "with him"

[Anonymous No.]

>>68637921
>Even her own general, which is just barely kept alive, ends up just timelooping how wronged she was over and over instead of actual stream discussion
Anon, most of us are in the chat talking with her...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
>Niji, one of the biggest vtuber corpo, slanders her
>Suffers through Niji's BS and reveals the truth
>No one defends her and niji talents actually shit on her
>People say she should have never spoken out and kept everything quiet
>Alone
>Selen suffers through Niji's BS and reveals the truth
>Thousands support her
It's understandable why Sayu feels the way she does. She did everything correct at the start but because she was the new hire people didn't care. That's just how the world is. If you aren't important then no one cares even if you tell the same truths as a popular person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638508
I’ve heard this cope before

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638519
I think the problem is that she actually did say that rape joke.
>get thicker skin you pussy
It didn't bother me but it did bother others.

Whereas Selen just went about by herself and she literally did nothing wrong only to get shitcanned. Also, Selen is an OG, built connections outside of Nijisanji etc etc. So she has support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638377
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638026
A lot. Wasn't that long ago that the bitch ran a marathon for 90 days straight.

https://www.twitch.tv/sayu/videos
Also Youtube, but clearly it's not her main:
https://www.youtube.com/@SincronisityYT

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623136
Isn't this the chick who revealed on twitter that she was paying her ex husband alimony? All because she was salty about some post in a /vt/ thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638850
Nope

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638750
Not really an argument. Drama is pretty much the only thing she has going for her honestly. Why wouldn't she fuck a dramatuber? She's lonely, desperate and they're there for her obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638728
Her mistake was joining a company whose twitter-minded fanbase gave shit for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638728
Anon, Enna has done far worse stuff (including the rape joke) and I can assure you she would be showered with support if she gets terminated in the same way that Zaion was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638850
Yes.

Look, she seems like a nice lass. Shame about what happened to her. But she is friends with and has willingly allowed a doxnigger on her stream on multiple occasions now. Her own fault nobody wants to be near her

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638958
Well, at the time maybe. Not sure if Enna would get any support at all if she was terminated right now, given what that would imply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638728
So why were they defending henna yesterday saying "lol she's just using dark humor"? it seems that niji fans are selective

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638377
>Face Connect
Phase connect?

>Checks youtube
>1 month ago collab with Phase
Okay I eat my words.

>Silly mistake
Contrary to /vt/ I don't hate DN. Dude's suffering from having done stupid shit but we're considering norm now. Well, except face reveals.

>holding brown hand
>Implied she slept with a dramatuber.
Honestly I don't care. I don't have delusions of needing sayu to be perfect virgin. If he banged a vtuber good on him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639045
I don't watch anyone in Nijisanji. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638850
Yeah that was Sayu
The was both the funniest and most down right retarded way I've seen a chuuba containment break. The recent Luca fiasco might top that though kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638728
Those things only became an "issue" when niji decided it wanted to make them an issue as a method to pile on zaion. No one cared UNITL niji wanted to use it as a weapon.
The same shit happened with Gundou too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68623859
aloe was a holo for a week and she's still a 4view 3 years later even though she was a low 2 view before

What matters is whether people like you when you make your first impression on them, 5 months or 5 years won't make a difference if no-one is buying what you're selling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638850
NDF in full swing, what does this have to do with the situation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639037
>Not sure if Enna would get any support at all if she was terminated right now, given what that would imply.
Right now? Of course she would. Unless she gets ID as the bully, but that won't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638800
. It's really sad but honestly, there really is no purpose to her except for drama. Each time that there's a drama she has to bring her nose into it because
>I too was affected by drama
The only time that she ever gets a general is when drama has happened, the only thing that anybody ever brings up is the drama that happened at this point nearly a full year ago, And even those thread is literally just looping the same exact shit but she's been looping for a year now. The truth is that as more Nijis graduate, she'll probably slip into even more of an irrelevant state than she's already in.

And the funny thing is that if she ever took two seconds to realize why people don't like her, then she might actually gain a following but as she's crying about how nobody wants to reach out to her after they've been terminated or graduated, she's also literally doing collabs with drama tubers who spent their entire lifetime harassing people who graduated or got terminated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638966
ironic complains about him talking about her personal life at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639161
Gundou was and still is the Rushia of Nijisanji, being fired over baseball is stupid but she was long overdue for a graduation after all the shit she's pulled. You can't compare her to Zaion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638519
>She did everything correct
wrong, she never gained the sympathy of the public(sisters) to being with and did shit that could be used against her
Selen is a chink, had a good relationship with every luxiem member & never said things that riled twitter trannies
Anycolor also didn't have shit on Selen, no matter how many "violated activity rules" they threw on the termination notice, they couldn't use a single real instance like they had for Zaion(rape, dee's nuts, queen of jews, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639102
Dude literally took no responsibility for his actions and only stopped doing them once he actually got caught and reprimanded by the company themselves .
At which point in time he did a heel pivot and basically did the same exact thing except for to Niji.

I'm not the biggest fan of Niji on the same hand, I would sooner support any color, then support somebody who literally profited off of doxing. If he wanted to make up for his actions he Could have just as easily become a clipper for Hololive or something like that. He still would have made profit, he still would have found success, but instead he chose to go to the lowest route possible. There is no sympathy for people like him

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638728
Almost everyone at Niji has done worse than that rape joke at one point or another. (Except Rosemi, of course.)

At least 10 of those 12 bullet points in her termination letter turned out to be false. Not all maliciously though - I suspect the "Dee's Nuts" unauthorized sponsor joke just went over the ESL management's heads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639229
It's an obvious bait thread by people who don't like her. Why even interact retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639233
>Unless she gets ID as the bully, but that won't happen.
Why else would they terminate her right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639102
>I don't hate DN
Some anon in a different sayu thread claimed he was selling the kiara video where she got molested and followed on patreon. If that's true then he doesn't deserve your sympathy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639483
Doesn't finana have a joke about HIV?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639483
I don't understand how many times we've had to go through this but even she herself admits that the bullet points were valid she just disagrees with the things that they said. She never wants in any of her statements denies any of the stuff in the bullet points happened She just disagrees with the actions that the bullet points caused.

And you can make the argument that people did worse on the same hand once again as somebody who membered to her, watching her streams consistently get private because she
A: lied about what she had going on during the stream
or
B: said something that she shouldn't of

It was honestly a miracle if we could get through a single week without a single vod getting taken down, and I'm not entirely sure that we ever did. You can defend her all you want and say that the termination was bullshit or whatever, but don't pretend like she wasn't constantly getting herself in trouble over a fucking genshin account

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639693
I also didn't say sympathy, I'm mostly indifferent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639483
Dee's Nuts managed to successfully sue Mr.Beast for something similar. In hindsight maybe they had a point

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639605
>Why else would they terminate her right now?
Why would they terminate her? I don't know, I don't care, and not my point. >>68638958

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639876
Mr Beast sold a product fucking called Deez Nuts. Not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68639917
My point is if they terminated her right now everyone would draw the conclusion it's because she was the bullying ringleader or some such. She'd be fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68638966
It was only one collab man, quit lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68631128
>>68624426
Only two posters here with a mental age over 16 jesus christ.

Of course she's still upset, she went through hell for no reason despite being completely fucking correct about everything. It's easy to say just let it go when you're not in her shoes, and yeah it would probably be healthier for her to do that, but it's easier said than done especially when the trauma she went through keeps getting dredged up again and again and thrown in her face. She's allowed to have feelings and be human. Most of you seething hateful faggots have meltdowns when your oshi talks to a male cashier and you call her weak for still being kinda upset after being harassed, gaslit, and dragged through the mud for a year by her former employer and their unhinged fans to the point that her career will probably never recover. If you cunts went through what she did, half of you would have roped by week 3. Yeah if I was her I'd still be hurt too. And she can't win no matter what she does, she stays quiet and keeps her head down and people accuse her of not caring, of having no friends, of falling off, and then constantly drag her name into drama anyway, and if she does speak up they say she's clout farming, menhera, needs to move on. False calls her to interview her and people accuse her of being mememe for answering his questions? He was the one that asked for her thoughts...

The only crimes that led her to be this hated were:
>made a joke in poor taste (you guys say worse things on here every day)
>hung out one time with a guy you dislike, because he was the only one who didn't treat her like a persona non grata and believed her
>leaked Ninas DMs (the only actual bad thing she did, and that's between them. She was punished for it by losing a friend)
>is menhera sometimes and doesn't have saintlike powers of forgiveness to just move on from a traumatic event
That's literally it. And she also expose 90% of the black shit about nijisanji that we take as common sense today. Without her, other leaving talents wouldn't have had such a soft place to land and so much sympathy, and half of you faggots wouldn't have believed doki and just called her a menhera liar. She is the only fucking person who ever has spoken up about the toxic environment in nijiEN and she got crucified for it even when she is more and more vindicated by the day. She deserves to be able to feel a bit down about it or have complicated emotions surrounding the subject without hundreds of NDF sisters and sociopaths jumping down her throat. Let the girl live for fucks sake.

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>>68640000
How is it not? She claimed and made an acid for a company sponsorship that she did not have..
The facts that Mr beasts brand was actually completely different than the brand that she used on stream and he still ended up losing the lawsuit and trademark to his brand, kind of does indicate that the company was right

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>>68639483
Yeah i can sorta see how the nut bag was a bad move on her part. It uses the brand's name and everything. Doesn't excuse the rest of the termination list, though.

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>>68640033
And that's something completely different from what was I talking about. If you want my opinion, even if she is the bully and they fire her over it, they won't ever acknowledge it. At most they will say she was a "difficult" talent to manage and they had to terminate her contract. They will NEVER acknowledge that there is bullying and harassment happening inside NijiEN.

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>>68640061
She was in a few of their videos and has showed upp in both of the doxtuber's stream chats several times. It was not a one time interaction.

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>>68640246
Kinda already did in their termination notice, when they didn't even have to mention it, thus putting a target on all their talent's backs.

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>>68640126
>"ohmagawd she suffered so much, she's literally vtuber Jesus!!!"
yeah that's nice, fuck niggersanji too
>"s-so umm, will you p-plz watch and pay attention to her, s-she deserves it..."
nah lol

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>>68640126
Keep in mind that she's actually older than the majority of people on the site and still cannot keep herself out of drama and consistently reaches out to dramafags while complaining that literally nobody else from her former company wants anything to do with her.
You can claim that every single post that you don't like is "the NDF" But for somebody who is as old as she is she cannot maturely act her age and even though her dismissal may have been kind of bullshit, compared to the girl who literally tried to kill herself over constant harassment and is younger than her, and got three pages worth of " crimes " against her, you can see a massive difference in maturity levels.

There is a good chance that after this, Doki will still end up being friends with the rest of the people in Niji, sayu on the other hand had somebody who constantly was trying to maintain contact with her and took the opportunity to shit talk her while drunk and potentially also released dox information about her.

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>>68640358
I mean, they just mentioned Selen's claims, but they didn't admit anything.
>Can you believe this crazy bitch?
It turns out that people believed her.

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>>68640126
>hung out one time with a guy you dislike, because he was the only one who didn't treat her like a persona non grata and believed her
Yeah its ok if i'm friends with a creep who sells videos containing the childhood photos and recordings of children, he was nice to me when I was bullied.

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>>68640246
I don't think they would have to acknowledge it, everyone would just assume it. Less so if she graduated gracefully though.

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>>68640446
Selen made no such claims publicly. They really didn't have to mention it and put their talent's lives in danger. Granted, they didn't have to lie about every specific complaint they made or terminate Selen at all, for that matter, when she was perfectly willing to go quietly.

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>>68640737
No, I meant that Nijisanji mentioned the things she told them in private. They were dumb as fuck and thought they needed to get ahead of her because she was going to release a manifesto similar to Sayu's

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>>68640483
nice hyperbole

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>>68640950
The drama that ensued and all the bad press that their entire EN branch had to tank was both hilarious and sad

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>>68641173
Karma is a bitch, as they say

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>>68639876
Mr beast is still selling Deez nuts so obviously that lawsuit had no effect

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>>68641657
As far as I know he's allowed to sell the remaining amount that he has but is no longer allowed to produce them or no longer allowed to use the name .
If you want other truth the lawsuit itself was complete and total bullshit seeing as A his brand was spelled with a Z and B his brand was selling chocolate, there was absolutely no correlation between the two but the judge sided with the older of the brands

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>>68640483
so the real world and friend

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>>68641452
Yeah but I feel bad for legitimate bystanders. Rosemi, Petra, Vivi, probably Scarle. Yes all women.

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>>68623136
eh, most of the time someone who "attempts suicide" and fails is just someone looking for attention.

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>>68625699
>Is sayu legit menhera
It's taken you this long to notice?

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>>68642672
If anything, feel bad because Nijisanji has been abusing of them for years. Things can look pretty bad right now, but I can promise you the talents will be fine (even the ones that deserve to get fucked), and NijiEN burning down will be for the best.

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>>68626312
So Zaion had good taste, what's your point?

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>>68623136
God nijiniggs are always shitstains TND

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>>68623136
*Shits in your eyes*

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>>68631501
>publicly
How do you know that? Just one longer tweet is barely public

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it's depressing that this is the closest thing to a sayu general right now...

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>>68633315
Take away environmental conditions and they may be forced to adapt, meaning, they won't make that mistake anymore.

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>>68623596
>>68623136
Bruh she has to beg for clout from fucking Pippa.
That in itself is suicide-inducing.
Grim.

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>>68646373
which nowadays is bigger than most niji en?

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this bitch is never live

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>>68649350
Funnily enough, the drama is making her mentally unable to go live, but the only way to get away from drama is for her to keep going live and make everyone forget about it.

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>Stop fucking crying bitch wah wah wah

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>>68640435
>Sayu on the other hand had somebody who constantly was trying to maintain contact with her and took the opportunity to shit talk her while drunk and potentially also released dox information about her.

Proof?

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>>68646835
Leaker here.
Pippa is disgusting, her body is disgusting because she never bathes and you can smell her BO through the screen. Her fingers and toes are freakishly long from some genetic brain development deformity that warps her psychology. She is constantly seething about random people so being in her circle means being forced to listen to her constant seething. Pippa will at random times throughout the day DM you with /pol/shit and random /vt/ screenshots. At other times she will demand you get into a private call with her at VC and then say that she leaked your dox on kiwifarms and they think you're cute. And she constantly spams gore in the collab channel.
It's not about her size, it's that kissing her ass is humiliating.

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>>68654119
>Her fingers and toes are freakishly long from some genetic brain development deformity that warps her psychology.
Anon, she's done handcams and shown her feet before. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Seriously? It's the internet. A lot of careers started by literally doing the same.

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>>68654463
Proven yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ycwuzh-Tys&pp=ygUMZmlsaWFuIHBpcHBh

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I really hope she gets over all this someday and finds peace.
Inferiority complexes are a bitch. Drowning in envy is a horrible feeling and I hope no one here has to suffer from such a thing.

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>>68640570
I thought she was in her early 20's judging from how inexperienced she is, how poorly she handled everything (by her own account in her own doc) and how she acting like getting fire from kurosanji is the worst thing that ever happen in her life.

How old is she exactly ???

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idk lol

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>>68655045
Holy shit. I could deepthroat those toes.

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>>68655643
Early to mid 30's, very sheltered life