/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>wasn't going to confirm bullying and suicide attempt
>niji's malicious statements pushed her too it
>her lawyer confirmed she faced systematic abuse in nijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
Nijisanj is confirmed getting sued into oblivion. Riku is running for the golden parachute.

[Anonymous No.]

>she has the receipts

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
she said she showed evidence to her lawyer, which means she has hard copies of dirt on kurosanji if things get heated

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
so basically it's going to be an out of court behind the scenes settlement

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494835
Suyodhana or blessed man became known as Duyodhana (nigger man) after his wicked deeds were brought to light and Duyodhana is how history remembers him. Perhaps Nijisanji will be remembered as Kurosanji as well.

[Anonymous No.]

kurosanji is the gift that keeps on giving

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495024
How I expected it to go too, considering she was trying to find an amicable way to part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495073
good morning sir please deleet this

[Anonymous No.]

>AC wanted her to release a statement about why the MV was privated
>she could continue working under them afterwards as long as she followed the rules from now on
>REEEEEEEEE YOU MADE ME TRY TO ACK! PAY ME DAMAGES IN COURT!
You don't negotiate with the mentally ill. She can try to sue but I assume AC has evidence against her claims.

[Anonymous No.]

Black company status?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494835
You mean the person she is paying agreed that she should keep paying him to help her with this. No shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
Niji is also getting sued

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
That's pretty damning actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
You hired her, you pay for her.
If you think she's mentally ill, then its your bad for not screening properly

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody has the timestamps for when she starts talking about this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
It's clear to me, management did the last act of bullying, so they deserve the firing squad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
No, what she said is that the lawyer has the evidence that she was admitted to the hospital for an attempt and went to therapy, not that niji was doing bullying directly , I guess she will fight for that healt compensation in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495073
>unironic jeetshit
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495414
still more viewers than niji 6th anniversary

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495755
Last 10 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
Imagine being selen's emergency contact (her parents) and this corpo won't stop harassing you about some statement while your child is in a hospital.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
Why didn't management release a statement about why it was privated as they made it private? Since that's literally part of their job as corpo management and all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
>kurosanji wanted her to release a statement
>harassed her and her family during the period she was in a hospital
>not satisfied with it, when they couldn't get a hold of her they chose to lock her out of all the accounts and impersonate to communicate with her fans
>after she got dispatched from the hospital she sent all the documentation proving she was in a hospital and why
>kurosanji got mad with the implication that they forced her to commit suicide and how that could ruin their reputation
>terminated her contract one-sided without any previous communication to paint her as a rebel

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
I am pretty sure that a lawyer can get disbarred for lying to their client.

[Anonymous No.]

>try to kill yourself over a fucking music video
what a little bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495414
Possibly but I wouldn't say that any of this proves it. The other leaks showed that NijiEN is a clusterfuck on the talent level, and all of them are very unprofessional including Selen. So even if it is a black company by fostering a bad working environment which has to be proven, it would have still gone bad like this if it wasn't a black company.

tl;dr don't work with crazy and don't hire a group of narcissists

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
Toxic Work Environment suits are ez money

[Anonymous No.]

Bootlickers deserve the rope honestly. Imagine siding with a corp in any situation.

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/26fzn3

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
She was systematically bullied and the trauma is still affecting her to this day. You faggy little company is going to pay her restitution only to get kicked out of the western market and there's NOTHING you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495880
Because she was the one who say that management made it private on Twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
>harassed talent in the hospital so bad they hired a lawyer

Sisters don't realize this is a problem....

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495952
How is he lying? It happens all the time. Think of it as similar to how company lawyers go after copyright claims before the company reels them back in. Securing their employment is not lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496030
Can't believe this bitch was right. Other than the rrat peddling, this was a gigantic waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495879
Also imagine finding out your daughter spent 200k on company projects

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495879
But how they ended up finding out? Thats what I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
>we conveyed the necessity

AKA "we look really fucking bad right now and you need to cover our ass and take the bullet"
This document will go down in vtubing history

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358

neither of those statements make kurosanji's case. The second actually outlines events that are easily disprovable. They literally admit to breaking employment law in CA in the second paragraph.

GL NDF

[Anonymous No.]

What's crazy is she's not the first girl they almost drove to suicide

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495879
>selen's emergency contact (her parents)
dyrbi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496579
Oh jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495414
Blacker then the inside of a niggers asshole

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
where do you people come from lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496519
Yeah but "Mrs. Chinese new year" won't sue them even though she has the easiest slam-dunk court case in history. That means all the people they currently employ will continue suffering under their illegal practices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496673
no, it was actually me

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496798
China, most likely

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496579
Nobody cares about Sayu
Even Doki will never acknowledge her

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
I really want to know the dumbass who put
>yeah she was being bullied by other talents BUT she broke internal company policy
Just how retarded do you need to be to think this just isn't the most tone deaf way to approach the issues? The entire document should have been one sentence saying they're very sad but they had to terminate selen for internal conduct breaches. This would have saved them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
>chasing the ambulance to pressure your employee to tell the press they did nothing wrong
Nigga that's not OK

>>68495414
Vantablack

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496519
>They literally admit to breaking employment law in CA in the second paragraph.
They denied it and claimed damages. The notice is way more professional than Zaion's and had lawyers involved as well. This seems like another Roa vs Meiro situation.

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>>68496057
And isn't that precisely what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496870
>won't sue them
She has a lawyer and I guarantee he's recommending a lawsuit.

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>>68495446
Lawyers generally avoid suing if there is little or no grounds for suing. Depending on how good the case is, they typically create an agreement for their payment to be from what they "win" in the case. You either had shitty experience with a shit lawyer or you believe what dumbasses say on the internet/word of mouth about dumbass lawyers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496314
It's standard practice to give your employer emergency contact info in case you can't be reached or if something happens to you.

[Anonymous No.]

She sues nijisanji and wins
>all her friends will suffer and probably resent her even if subconsciously
>suing past employers is always a red flag no matter how deserved
>gets a decent amount of money

She sues nijisanji and loses
>all her friends will suffer and probably resent her even if subconsciously
>suing past employers is always a red flag no matter how deserved
>loses money

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496914
Why not...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494835
Very wise. management were given documented medical proof of her mental state and their response was to hound her carers to make selen make a public statement, then delete her channel without notice and then release a defaming termination notice without notice.
It is now without a single doubt that nijien management is both highly malicious and heavily involved in the bullying and harassment. if they could they would 110% continue to go after her using legal means.

The only shame is doki is too kindhearted. I get holding back because she knows how it feels but this company is both evil and will continue to do this to others. selen likely became a target once zaion was gone, now selen is gone they will move to the next victim. victoria brightshield perhaps. sometimes the bullies need to have their throat stepped on for a while, it might not be fun but it's necessary to stop them because force and bullying are the only language they understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497097
She won't, Zaion couldn't and she was the biggest menhera

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496030
Based Enna telling you nothing will come of this and you're wasting your time for nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497185
Menhera
Untrustworthy
Hangs out with dramafags
Narcissistic
Mediocre feet

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
FUCKING COWARD

[Anonymous No.]

so why are Nijitrannies trying to make Zaionists and Dokifriends fight now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497306
Zaion couldn't because she actually fucked up and probably had a very weak case even if she was being bullied. Also, she wasn't even in the company for that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497015
>The notice is way more professional than Zaion's
It's unironically an even bigger clown show
Nobody with even a passing understanding of PR would send that document out

[Anonymous No.]

Why do so many of Doki‘s new fans seem to want her to sue blackedsanji so desperately? Surely her wellbeing is more important than some lawsuit for dramafriends to masturbate to no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495938
all in a day's work, next slave!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496012
>Imagine siding to anyone without evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497562
It's crazy. If they're claiming that she's damaging the brand, what they need is to make themselves look good. Not make her look bad. The document was actively malicious and whoever wrote it should have their kneecaps shattered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497562
She didn't give them any other choice. The whole notice is basically them trying to legally cover their asses. If you can't see this you're dumb and not familiar with legal terms.

[Anonymous No.]

WHAT DO WE WANT? LAWSUIT AGAINST NIJISANJI! WHEN DO EE WANT IT? NOW! #JusticeforSelen

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497439
Sayu trying to insert herself into the drama is kinda gross no matter how you slice it

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497070
Yes but the problem is that she started to talk i know crazy but that why

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497608
Because half of them have never even watched her previous life and are just here looking for a dumpster fire. They'll go away soon enough once they realize Doki is not the menhera they expect

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497608
>Why do Doki's fans want the people who hurt her to be brought to task? Surely you can just ignore evil?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497608
Because the company needs to understand how badly they fucked up and broke the law so Japanese people will learn not to blindly trust corpos and understand how hypocritical it is to say Selen broke the law so she deserved what she got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497809
Go to Japan Anon. That is the right way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497725
>legally cover their asses
While disclosing an accusation of abuse which had not been made public prior... because... reasons...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497608
Because she deserves her hard earned money back at the very least. The money she could've bought a fucking house with that instead went to your daddy's new yacht. And I'm a dragoon.

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>>68495446
By paying him, he's legally obligated to give competent council, or else she can sue *him*
Entirely likely that the legal advice was along the lines of "saying this is harassment is not defamation even under Canada's mid defamation laws"

[Anonymous No.]

Koreans are calling EN fanbase as English-speakers with chink-like mindset(Yeong-changkae) for mindlessly simping for Selen/Doki. How can /vt/ even cope with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>So these... *flips paper* "virtual avatars" you are talking about were harassing you then your manager deleted this uhh internet videoclip because it allegedly depicted "graduated" avatars. So... you're all college students, i assume?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494835
Doesn't mean anything. Anyone can file a legal complaint. It has to get passed pre motion before receipts can be verified by a court

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497153
Yes I mean how did they realize so quickly that something was wrong and call her parents? Isn't it normal not to be able to talk to someone during December 24-26 because they are most likely on vacation with their family? It seems strange to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
It's so obvious that they wanted to cover it with more lies like they always do and she refused because she had enough of their shit. so doing the right thing is being mentally ill to you

[Anonymous No.]

She lawyered up? Well funs over for dramafags. Smart from her though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
That would matter if they had a branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>the country that grabs their ankles for america is calling people out for a chink-like mindset
well how about that

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497899
Doki apparently has actual proof of the bullying so they might as well disclose it themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497899
Nigga... she wanted them to pay damages in court. It wouldn't be made public but they would still have to pay for it. They denied unjust practices and harassment towards her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498035
Bro niji say it in the termination letter

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
This is called mindless deference or in other circles, "bootlicking".

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>caring what kr corpo drones, who are even more cucked than jp corpo drones, think

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498142
>trust me bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498151
>They denied unjust practices and harassment towards her
Of course they did.

But they never needed to bring it up in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
NijiKR won't come back lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498151
Just in canadu you pay for someone attempt

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
I cope by pulling down my pants and looking at my penis

[Anonymous No.]

ndf status?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496928
It's not just tone deaf, but it's thinking that internal company policy overrules local law
You can tell some jap businessman wrote it who seriously thinks that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
Based

[Anonymous No.]

So what happens if she doesn‘t sue? Will her new fans just fuck off?

[Anonymous No.]

The entire sphere of this industry is watching her. I'm not even joking when I say if money was pooled together for an OJ-level legal team she could legitimately fuck Anycolor and rift diplomatic relations between JP and CA

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498333
Frothing at the mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497562
>Nobody with even a passing understanding of PR would send that document out
It was clearly made for Japanese PR where it's more likely to be taken as the word of god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497158
>she gets married to me
>she gets pregnant
>we start a big family
>we live happily ever after
yeah i'm thinking i won

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
You are what you eat, gook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497473
zaion also isn't from a country with stronger workplace protection laws

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498501
Yeah, japs ate that shit up like a champ, the mere mention of "she broke the rules" already made them hate her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498151
>They denied unjust practices and harassment towards her.
That's the standard legal response from any company that has a complaint filed against them

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496579
Sayu is too menhera to be treated normal ly

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497158
>she wins
>we get married
>we use the settlement money to build a comfortable life for our 10 kids

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498466
>rift diplomatic relations between JP and CA
In what bizarre fantasy world do you people live
Even if that was somehow the case canadian glowies would just off her

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
South Korea is an American Colony and would be destroyed within 48 hours if we decided to leave them to their fate.

Caring about what they have to say about us is like caring about what an ant in a model ant colony has to think about the person who created the colony.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>Gooks who live in an actual Cyberpunk dystopia calling anyone else simps
Roru

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498542
They're contractors anon, workplace protection laws can't protect them

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498800
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497158
Unless she's going for actual millions, she won't sue them. But if they go after her, all she has to do is make them look bad with evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

Fattie could have just taken the L and left quietly without shitting all over other livers.

Instead she just oinks oinks oinks and now Niji lawyer will destroy her in court lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498466
>and rift diplomatic relations between JP and CA
There I was thinking WWIII would be between America and the hajis.

[Anonymous No.]

we memed the death of niji into reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497158
>gets a decent amount of money
depends on the cut the legal team takes also even without the lawsuit no company will want to hire a person who was suicidal

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498945
They're coming for your clique, Elira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498501
Even in Japan this is absolute clown behavior
https://twitter.com/SpaceDrakeCF/status/1754669547691602013
AND they broke the law
https://twitter.com/McPepiiVT/status/1754712757616939116

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498945
>imagine being this retarded

You’re quite the unique specimen. They should exhibit you and your kind in a Zoo.

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>>68495358
You might, in fact, actually have to negotiate with the mentally ill: in the US at least (which is usually less generous to the public then Canada, mind,) you can't discriminate on disabilities you know about, including mental ones.

So, if Canada is similar, firing somebody without trying to accommodate them might actually break the law: not in a "fly to Japan and handcuff the CEO" way, but perhaps in a, "Niji now needs lawyers to go to Canada to explain itself" way.

Regardless, companies have very much tried to exploit workers through emotional blackmail in the past, and courts often take a dim view of such things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494545
no way she backed up all the discord convos
niji is probably nuking the server history as we speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498945
You don't even have this point because her statement was only made AFTER nijisanji put out the assassination notice lmao, it was complete radio silence until then
They shot themselves in the face before she could even reach for a gun

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499095
She's not an employee, she's contracted. CA law might side with her but doubt JP will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496673
oh abso-fucking-lutely. even if she's married, her emergency contact will be her mum till the day she dies. chinese mums are fucking mental dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
Anycolour is so incompetent that they lost a court case to a dramatuber IN JAPAN, they will make a fool of themselves in international court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499211
JP doesn‘t matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499207
Why not? It's not hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>>68498446
that's it? it's literlaly just "chink bad" when simping for a japanese company?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499211
jp law doesn't matter when she resides in and is a citizen of CA

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
A lawyer can't confirm shit. They can only give their opinion. The judges confirm whether someone has a valid complaint or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499342
I mean that‘s how /vt/ does it…

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499211
Contractors are not protected by labor laws in neither JP or in CA. She can probably still try the suit but doubt anything will come out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
I don't care what Koreans think

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496057
NTA but, so?

The entire thing just reeks of management not wanting to look like the bad guys for being incompetent or at worst, malicious, and needing Selen to take the blame. There's literally no reason they couldn't have addressed the MV situation themselves if they actually had a good reasons for doing so but literally everybody externally associated with the MV said there was no issue. So the only reason they have is admitting incompetence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499164
You're trusting the word of a LITERAL SELF ADMITTED BPD. Did you even consider that she made it all up to make Niji and her fellow livers look bad??

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>>68499211
JP law doesn't matter if they broke Canadian law.

She might have to prove she's an employee, but if her lawyer (who is going to be endlessly more qualified to know about this then the schizos here) believes she has a chance, then Niji might actually have a problem.

*Might* being key, of course: many lawyers will say, "you technically have a case, but the payout won't be worthwhile."

[Anonymous No.]

>Why is Doki even going the route of suing?
Cause her family is full of lawyers. Her grandfather was a government official. Suing is in their blood
>source: OC Maplebirb fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499541
In Canada at least, a court could decide that she is an employee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499541
The courts can deem her an employee in her jurisdiction and based on what a liver does it is likely she would be classified as one

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499211
She could be considered an employee under Japanese law
https://www.rippling.com/blog/worker-classification-in-japan
>Japanes courts have passed a ruling under which long-term contractors are entitled to the same protection as permanent employees.

And her local laws absolutely consider her an employee (can't remember the source for this one)

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497899
reread
>>68495358
anycolor is claiming that she was giving them an ultimatum that she would publicly make the accusations. them publishing the accusations first and denying them is an attempt to get ahead of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
Why are trolls and NDF defending a black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497608
they're just here for drama period

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497725
>legally covering their ass
On what fucking grounds? Twitter isn't a court of law. There is nothing illegal about terminating a contractor for policy breach but that's not what they did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499541
Add that to the list of possible violations for Anycolor
Any judge would look at her responsibilities, who she answers to, how many rules she has to follow and most notably the non-compete/no moonlighting clauses and rule the nijisanji sort of vtuber to be an employee instantly
>b-but we don't pay her a salary
Yeah that just makes it worse fucking retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499763
>anycolor is claiming that she was giving them an ultimatum that she would publicly make the accusations
Their statement doesn't say that anywhere.
Only that she demands they be "legally accountable" which does not necessitate any publicizing at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499541
Under British Columbian law she would be an employee not a contractor because of the non compete agreement
Doesn’t matter what they call the livers internally

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499849
again
> Moreover, Selen Tatsuki insisted that if the negotiations did not progress, she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>Gooks didn't even support their own NijiKR branch
>Niji decides to abandonedmerge it
whatever the gooks say

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
Along with what they said
Lawyers have a vested interest in having a high success rate. Nobody is going to hire the lawyer that keeps losing all their law suits.

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>>68499938 (me)
This does make me doubt Selen somewhat. It's not legally actionable since it's not like she said it under oath or anything and it's not defamatory, but if Niji has records of that demand and disclosed them, that would show that what she said in her statement on stream about not intending to disclose those claims was false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499636
>Selen made it all up
>Please ignore literally all of the evidence given by Selen, current employees, ex-employees and Nijisanji themselves because it upsets my headcanon

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499763
>anycolor is claiming that she was giving them an ultimatum that she would publicly make the accusations. them publishing the accusations first and denying them is an attempt to get ahead of it.

Getting into a shitflinging contest with your own ex employee is so fucking horrendously unprofessional and incompetent. If they were genuinely concerned that Selen was going to make defamtory claims, they wouldn't have said a word because they might screw them in the legal case they would have against her. They clearly don't have a defamation case against her because the truth is an absolute defence against defamation accusations hence why they went with their attempted character assassination.

[Anonymous No.]

its kind of funny that since nothing was confirmed or denied in terms of bullying even if one of the other girls leaves niji at this point she's not going to get the same kind of reception as an indie since people still suspect them of being the bully

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500427
>truth is an absolute defence
actually, not in nipland lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498006
You've never had a job, havent you?y

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500458
If I was one of the current vtubers there I would be fucking furious at how my own company just implicated me in bullying a coworker into a suicide attempt. I'd imagine we're going to see a lot of graduations soon just out of indignant rage. They didn't ever have to make any claims of Selen public, they certainly didn't need to specify that it was bullying from other talents but they were so desperate to shift blame off management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500600
Good thing she lives in Canada

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499069
In Canada the loser pays

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500226
That didn't happen, incel. Niji stated WHAT SHE SAID for legal reasons you're too dumb to understand. Literally nobody else has verified her claims.

She is intentionally making livers losing subs by spreading vauge rumours and she will get DESTROYED if it goes to court lmao

Imagine supporting someone ruining the livelihood of every other liver. Typical mindless holodrone without empathy for hard workers caught up in this

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495024
yeah, most of these situations we;re only ever gonna find details after it's all done and handled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500600
Good thing that she is under Canadian law, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500673
>graduations
Try terminations.
It's clear that Nijisanji makes them wait to graduate so that it minimizes damage to their image.

If they want out NOW, the only path forward is forcing Niji to terminate them.

[Anonymous No.]

Why anyone keep bringing up nip laws here, it doesn't fucking matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500756
>for legal reasons you're too dumb to understand
What legal reasons dumbass? There isn't any legal reason why Nijisanji needed to make their reasoning of termination known to the public.

>Literally nobody else has verified her claims.
Nobody has verified Nijisanji's claims either, so that's why we rely on Occam's Razor. What's more likely, the company with a horrific history of being shit towards their talents was being shit towards their talent OR this is all made up and Doki is putting herself in legal trouble for clout?
>She is intentionally making livers losing subs by spreading vauge rumours and she will get DESTROYED if it goes to court lmao
Prove anything you just said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500427
to be clear I don't think the claims are false, I trust that her lawyer correctly decided that she'd be safe making them publicly. the most likely explanation to me is that she had decided to quit in part due to actual unjust work conditions, got fucked over on the way out with the MV and, as a parting shot, demanded money in exchange for a peaceful separation, or otherwise she would make it messy for them. niji refused and started preparing (very badly as it turned out) for the likelihood of a PR crisis. after they fucked up trying to frame it their way, selen goes public with a framing that omits her shakedown attempt.
having said that still fuck niji, hope selen makes a killing as an indie. I just think she's kind of sly is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
>https://streamable.com/26fzn3
this sht begins to smell more and more like the whole nijiEN branch is gonna graduate soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500899
Because most of the people defending Niji are armchair lawyers who don't understand how labour laws works since they think that companies operate based on their native country's laws rather than the local laws because companies can supersede national governments, somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, blackkara is fucked. Don't hire Canadian next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498446
I’m pretty sure Japanese don’t use chink as a Chinese insult, because that’s be pretty ironic and they have their own flavor of racism to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498945
niji lawyer? The same lawyer who lost the winnable Roa vs Meiro case which put Roa in an indefinite hiatus?

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>>68501073
>The incel can't stop seething
>>68501108
Reported for piracy. This is out of context taken from a members stream. It's just dark humour, retard. NOT EXACTLY LEGALLY BINDING

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
I realized, the second paragraph there is entirely because Japanese black company got confused and offended by a western lawyer's standard demand letter telling them to fuck off

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>>68501091
You paint it as if Selen isn't justfied in wanting monetary compensation for
A. Spending $15K for an MV they sabtoaged, amongst a bunch of other things that she spent money on to cover for Nijisanji not paying, like artists waiting months for compensation while Niji drags their feet
B. Failing to protect her from harassment and bullying

Selen made it very clear she was extremely upset about the fact she spent so much money just to not see a cent returned to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501379
>try to sue for damages over the lost revenue for not streaming
>case gets thrown out because they couldn't resist keep making voice packs during her hiatus
That was probably the funniest shit ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501430
>piracy
Kek

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>>68501251
>because companies can supersede national governments, somehow.
I blame the cyberpunk genre and endless memes about how a cabal of corporations control the world. The reality is that if a state government has a corporation on their shitlist then the corporation is absolutely powerless to fight back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501430
>refuses to answer the question or substantiate any claims

The stock price isn't increasing Riku, I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
Best Korea is Based.

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>>68499541
In canada you cannot waive your rights in a contract. Whether you are an employee or not has nothing to do with what your company calls you, but whether the expectations you worked under meet the legal definition of an employee.

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>>68498719
Nah. Canadians are unironically pro worker union shit. I don't know how BC handles their shit, but in Ontario, the Labour Board would have went against Nijisanji itself.

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>>68501564
>B. Failing to protect her from harassment and bullying
People tend to forget that in Canada (and most Common Law jurisdictions for that matter) corporations are considered to have a "Duty of Care" towards their employees. This means, among other things, that corporations are legally responsible for the mental and physical heath of their employees.

I have no idea if Japan has a similar precedent.

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>>68497972
the likelihood of this happening is actually horrifying

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>>68501644
People seem to forget that national government can and do, at any time they want, literally just steal shit from any company they want through nationalisation and asset siezures. Foreign companies rightly should be shit scared of breaking local laws because the only thing protecting them from having all their stuff taken is the moral and diplomatic outage it would cause from an innocent company being fleeced. If they're not innocent, nobody would defend a company.

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>>68501810
Japan have the duty to harrass the workers and at least 1 suicide attempt per year

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501644
BC's current government is also anti-corpo. earlier today a trucking company that's been driving into overpasses continuously said they were looking to overturn the suspension on their operations, the premier (governor for you burgers) responded "My only hope is that, on the way to court, they do not run into a bridge." bonus joke that the courthouse has an overpass attached to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501251
To be fair nijisanji could just say
>nope
And pretty much the only thing Canada could do is bar any future business by them. not that it’d do anything to a vtuber company

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501810
Japan probably does but I imagine because of their defamation laws, it's much harder to prove.

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>>68501430
>incel
>Piracy
Enna. This is literally you isn't it?
What went wrong?

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>>68501972
there are canadians currently employed with them

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>>68501302
They don't that must be a larper, it's literally not a word they use

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>>68499193
Canada has strong workplace protections for the mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501959
kek

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>>68501430
>reported for piracy
I bet you ask people if their copy of windows is activated

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>>68501972
Not that I think Nijisanji would care but ignoring local laws like that would irreversibly destroy their reputation internationally.

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>>68501972
>And pretty much the only thing Canada could do is bar any future business by them
That would kinda fuck them since a lot of their major livers are Leafs.

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>>68495358
I'm not in the loop. is this the official statement from Anycolor?
If it is, they are in deeper shit.

[Anonymous No.]

She's a woman so the suicide attempt was never serious, still it's good to see her back

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497764
Not really her fault if Nijisisters were attacking her for a benign "welcome back" tweet

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499207
Litigation holds.

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>>68501972
>To be fair nijisanji could just say
>nope
What? They had to sign a contract to let them work within there, if they broke there would be major fines and you can't just nope the fuck out. Are you dumb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502126
>>68502029
Not for long

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499681
>>68499728
>>68499744
>>68499886
Yeah. Same here in Ontario. You sign an NDA and a non compete, you're an employee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501972
What country do you think would let them do business if they refused to comply with local regulations?

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>>68502144
It's an except from the 3 page termination document. It's a fucking acid trip to read on how insanely incompetent EN management is that they thought trying to publicly execute Selen's character was going to end well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498151
In Japan, maybe. In a Canadian court they're likely fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68501430
Btw, Enna, if this is you. I just wanna simp a bit and say I watch your streams more than selen's , but i do love to watch this drama unfold

michael jackson eatin popcorn . video

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>>68495358
Do people think companies are the only people protected by law? An employee's rights to legal representation, safe working conditions, timely wage payments, etc. are absolutely more binding than "Activity Rules."

Additionally, you cannot try to force contract negotiations with an employee's emergency contact or when the employee is in an altered state (like in the hospital being treated for attempted suicide). Also, I am being specific when I saw employee -- Niji tries to label their talents independent contractors but also forces them to only work for their company and sign non-competes, which is both illegal and unenforceable.

In short, by trying to paint Selen as a bad employee they have admitted to breaking several laws. If Doki decides to take this to court, Niji is going to get fucked. Doki's lawyer, assuming they're competent, would work for janny wages until the settlement, which would probably be quick because Niji has shown themselves to be so incompetent that I don't think they would have the ability to stall this out in a Canadian court system.

If Doki was insane enough to actually force a trial, there is going to be discovery and if Niji's own public statements are this bad, the dirt that would be produced would kill the company in English speaking countries.

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>>68502204
NTA but they absolutely can.
>fines
They can just refuse to pay them.
The only other option would be to lay out criminal charges to Riku and just pray that Japan extradites him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499207
Bro if you receive a court discovery request and you can't produce documents because you fucking burned the evidence you are mega-screwed.

[Anonymous No.]

she aint gon sue or say shit

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>>68501756
idk ontario but bc is probably even more pro union. the ndp have been in power since 2017 so all of the decision makers from the cons have been rotated out by now and replaced by lefties
>>68502144
definitely read the whole thing yourself, it's honestly kind of incredible

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>>68501972
>No don't understand ,you can break laws in a country after making a large scale contract to work within the country as a company and be totally fine and not pay up
Are you mentally retarded?

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>>68495446
A lot of employment lawyers work for free and take a cut of the settlement.

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>>68501972
Enjoy getting expropriated after a cheeky audit lmao.

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>>68502204
They could just refuse to pay and never return to Canada. Yeah it’d be a clusterfuck but Canada wouldn’t be able to touch them. It happens all the time, and for something as stupid as this nobody is going to bother trying to extradite them over a vtuber lawsuit.

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>>68501564
She is, I agree with that. I just think it's a tiny bit sneaky for her to deny that she was seeking that though, and allowing supporters to make it out as if the way Niji's announcement was worded was purely out of a mix of incompetence and spite (there was a lot of the former certainly), rather than understanding what Niji was trying to do, which was to frame the termination as based around Selen making a legal threat.
I'll say also that I believe she was under a lot of pressure and did try to kill herself. My understanding of the sequence of events was that the negotiations took place after that, so at a point where she and her family are distraught, and Niji's pestering them over the MV announcement, it's natural that the subject of demanding compensation for what just happened would come up. I expect she could probably win compensation in lawsuit. Why she apparently decided not to go that route after they refused an immediate settlement is a person question for her.

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>>68501972
Do you seriously think Canada would let that fly? Do you think if Microsoft turned out to be using child labour in Ontario or something they can go 'haha you got me but you can't catch me!' and pull out to the US without consequences?
There are treaties for this shit. It's just procedural stuff. It's unthinkable a company would not obey unless they're from Russia or some other country which doesn't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499207
Good thing Discord saves everything even if you delete it. If Discord recieved a legal request, they're absolutely complying.

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>>68502446
You think that would fly, are you joking?

[Anonymous No.]

This dumb bitch probably deserved to get bullied
>pays out of pocket for whatever projects
>doesn't get reimbursed by corpo
>complains to her co-workers how its unfair
>co-workers call her retarded for expecting to get reimbursed for every fucking project
>racks up to $200k
>hurdur corpo bad

I don't understand why this bitch expected to get paid back and why she continued to pay out of pocket on things when she knew AnyColor wasn't going to pay her back

Its bad she got bullied to the point of a suicide attempt, but come on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
A lawyer that loses too many cases is not going to be a lawyer for much longer.

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>>68501972
>Going nope and skimping on pay by abusing your own country laws
>Becoming company non gratta permanently in a country you already have a few workers from that country itself that will have to be cut out
>completely destroying any goodwill you could have internationally by showing you're a greedy fucker who would rather burn the bridge and flee over fucking paying legal fees
Honestly i'd like to see them try, they already blew a nuke in their face with this so what's another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
Your only experience with lawyers is from TV dramas, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
Friend, I’m not sure you know how lawyers work. They aren’t gonna take a case unless they’re sure they can win or force settlement. Or they’re incompetent, that’s possible too, but rare since they’d see little work. This is where the concept of “you only pay if we win” comes from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502486
>>68502530
It’s a hypothetical.
I doubt they would, but they completely could if they felt like going full scorched earth.

People forget how international business is literally entirely based upon
>trust me bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502345
>>68502446
>>68502486
>>68501972

If they actually did try to pull off the "can't touch me I'm in Japan" route that would absolutely throw a wrench into the whole "we're a rule-following law-abiding" angle that they've sold to their JP audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68500756
>She is intentionally making livers losing subs by spreading vauge rumours and she will get DESTROYED if it goes to court lmao
In the real world discussing details of your court case before the case is settled, and oftentimes even afterwards, gets you in trouble.

AC is the one who spread vague rumors about Selen being bullied by livers when they tried to character assassinate her after their failure to literally assassinate her. Every part of this is the route they chose, and everything that happens to their livers is the company's fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502328
From Doki's own statements in the stream, I don't think she's pursuing further legal action, but is in defence mode. Meaning if Nijisanji pursues, she has ammunition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502446
>Be labeled a criminal and try to hold up your country
No that really doesn't work. They will give you up in a fucking heart beat to not deal with that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502345
Bro countries facilitate international labour through treaties, which also outline terms of enforcement.
Japanese business comes to canada and breaks Canadian law, then flees to japan
Canada does its due process, sends the verdict to the enforcement office in japan, who sends it to the court, who serves the company a fine for unpaid punitive damages.

This is not some amazing revelation. Did you seriously think you were the first person to ever think of fleeing the country?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498139
KEK

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>>68501810
Nope. It's really hard to get fired in Japan, so they make life miserable for you, so that you quit instead. Bullying, is very normalized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502368
It really doesn't matter how left the provincial government is in this case. Workers have basic rights even in corporate hell holes like Japan and America, and Nijisanji violated a ton of them if even a small percentage of them are true. Also anybody who says that the livers are not employees is retarded.

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>>68502485
>for her to deny that she was seeking that though
When did she deny that?
>which was to frame the termination as based around Selen making a legal threat.
That's not how the termination reads at all. She was terminated for contract breaches.

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>>68502485
>I'll say also that I believe she was under a lot of pressure and did try to kill herself.
this isn't really something anyone can deny, when you're hospitalized in bc under the mental health act you need to speak to a psychiatrist at least once while there, and if they hold you (as selen was) they do many sessions. the documentation and notes from those meetings with a psych are submitted as part of evidence

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>>68495954
Nah. That was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. She was probably teetering from everything else before hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502328
>Canadian court system
This is what people are forgetting. This isn't US courts. The federal government itself will fuck up corporations if it has too. See Huawei case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502562
>it's the talents fault for producing content, which is their job

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>>68502728
It's hard enough forcibly collecting on Japanese civil judgements in Japan, let alone getting a foreign one collected
Back in the NicoNico days I remember the founder saying "yeah I stopped bothering showing up to defend against all the lawsuits my company faced because the plaintiffs never got money out of it"

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>>68495446
Is that how third world lawyer work?

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>>68495962
Selen is so unprofessional in how she's formed a million industry connections on her own because Nijisanji is too incompetent to even talk to people. She was literally just doing their work for them I'm not sure what was unprofessional about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502948
That's if it's not the fucking government of a country themselves asking for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496673
I swear I remember reading some old shit saying she basically ran away from her family as soon as she realized they were just deadbeats using and abusing her for money, guess she went back?

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>>68502883
The Huawei case was a major situation too. They were a company far bigger than Anycolor was, and yet a major exec still got detained by Canada. There is no way in hell that Anycolor would get off easy, especially since Canadian citizens are currently still working for their English branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503003
It's how lawyers work in China, so you tell me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502883
it's also not the normal canadian court system that handles employers breaking the law, it's a government agency specifically designated to handle that sort of thing. there's nobody for anycolor to buy off or intimidate to make it go away, they'll be found at fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>68499207
I don't know how people can't put two and two together when they know how monitored Discord is to the point that posting a link to a 4ch thread with loli in it can put the server at risk of deletion and if CP, litigation. Did it ever occur to wonder how they can get in to check them?
It's why you don't use discord for anything that's supposed to be halfway confidential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495446
Good lawyers know when they have a good case on their hands. That's why you have to pay them to discuss legal advice first before filing a lawsuit. It would be bad for their reputation to take a case and just lose it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502948
hiromoot had/has something similar going on

[Anonymous No.]

Is the game plan for a corpo vtuber going back to indie:
>Be absolutely fucking stupid with your money and blow it all on vanity projects
>Get terminated
>Pity bait by telling people you are broke to the point of needing to beg for rent
Because if that's the case, Maria can follow in Selen's footsteps

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502728
Yes but that entire process is neither quick or easy. Nobody is going to bother for what is essentially a negligible law suit.

If it was Microsoft or Nintendo or another billion dollar company. Sure there’s something to be gained. But anycolor? Just take the L and blast them on every public channel you can, throw a warrant out for their arrest if they ever show up in Canada. And go on your way, it’s not worth the trouble

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502728
Anon, I have no idea why you think I'm an expert on international business law let alone on the specific intricacies between Canada and Japan. I'm just stating what I've seen happen before, look at the case of the Nissan CEO fleeing back to Lebanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503247
>rule of law? It's not worth the trouble
You're chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502883
>This isn't US courts.
US courts would have them for lunch, too, frankly.
Yeah, they'd probably get off easier, or the "Independent Contractor" argument might actually let them slip through some labor technicalities, but ambulance chasing is still largely illegal as fuck here, as is trying to coerce contract negotiations under duress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503345
Zaion/Sayu lost her case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503238
Those "vanity projects" did a lot to unite fanbases and raise morale across the branch. If anything, NijiEN just screwed themselves over so hard and they didn't even realize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503334
It’s how every country in the world works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503238
>producing content for your fans is now a vanity project

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503307
I can buy that riku would be jewish enough to go into hiding, but this is anycolor we're talking about, an entire company can't just duck and hide this easily unless you're chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503386
Sayu didn't pursue a case in the first place. She remained on the legal defensive and likely never got the authorities involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503307
>US case
Doesn't apply to Canada. See>>68503125
>>68503172

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>>68503232
He's just a hypothetical clown like he never removed any post slandering innocent people or such misinformation despite many asking him to do so and moved severs to Singapore to avoid law panishments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503386
Sayu never sued, she got legal counseling to release her statement, she just overpaid

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people trying to apply US laws to Canada here? Their laws and the way they handle this shit is way more seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498800
>They're contractors anon, workplace protection laws can't protect them
Contractors are protected under the same laws about workplaces and health and safety as employees.

It's not carte blanche for employment violations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503598
Didn't he also move to France to avoid being extradited?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503590
>US Case
What? The case was between Japan and Lebanon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503703
My point stands. It won't work here in Canada

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503172
Discord doesn’t even send your conversation history using TLS. It’s literally all plain old HTTP traffic. 1990s type shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498800
>if you're a contractor, people can just bully the shit out of you and harass you whilst in hospital

Lol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503672
Because it may shock you, but nobody on /vt/ is a lawyer specializing in international businesses specifically in Canada.

US law is the closest most of us know about anything related to the case so it’s what we reference. While not a applicable to Canada the spirit of the law is similar in most countries so we can make some level of hypothesis

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503764
Huh, really?

I should set up wireshark sometime to see. That seems like it’d be an odd choice considering you’re already using secured comms with the site

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503762
What won't work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68497943
>Oh noes, some dirty gook calls me bad names, what am I gonna do?
Who gives a shit, also, they are broken by NTR and dicks bigger than theirs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495414
Still black.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68495358
This is a company run by a literal child. They've been laughed out of the courts before, and they will be destroyed again because they are completely in the wrong no matter how much you sisters try to defend them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503826
Niji fleeing from Canadian courts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68496030
>22500 views
Does it count people exiting and reopening the link? Are there really that many people here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502864
> When did she deny that?
https://youtu.be/J2YmJL0PX5M?t=9159
She said she didn't intend to talk about her situation but the termination notice forced her hand, maybe that can be read narrowly to solely talk about the suicide attempt. I take it as broader though since her statement references months of mistreatment leading up to it. Niji's counterclaim in the termination notice is that she told them she did intend to publicly disclose it if they didn't give her what she wanted.
> That's not how the termination reads at all. She was terminated for contract breaches.
Check out this section again
>>68497015
what they cite is the damage to the company's reputation and their operations by her claims (which she hadn't publicly made but which they claim she threatened to, and it's admittedly weird to talk about the actual damages of a hypothetical future event)

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here and I'm sure I come off as a bootlicker, but I guess just to sum up what I'm trying to say if it's useful for anyone else thinking about this:
In the world where the majority understanding of this event is true, Niji drove Selen to suicide, then shot themselves in the head for no clear reason, maybe you can kind of interpret it as an attempt to damage her reputation further but it doesn't even work that way very well. Selen comes out with completely clean hands.
In the world of where my understanding is true, Niji drove Selen to suicide, and then shot themselves in the head to stop Selen from shooting them in the head. She threatened to shoot them in the head if they didn't give her redress, and they deserved it to be honest, but we'll never know if she actually intended to follow through or not. Maybe after she calmed down she decided that she just wanted to move on. Maybe she did intend to but she decided she already won. Either way she never mentions pointing a gun at them, Niji's dying groans that she had a gun are ignored, and the public sees it as Selen having completely clean hands, exercising no agency in the situation other than the grace of letting the situation go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68498501
Investors commenting on the Termination notice have pointed out how absurdly malicious it was. Not even in Japan is it normal or fine to throw an employee under the bus like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503769
We had a thread with a guy who was a expert already, the guy put down links and image to each law broken and such. The fact that people are saying you can just break a bunch of law within the country, have the government ask you for fines for the laws broken and people here think you can just say no is fucking fucking

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504105
I feel like most anons are lurking. Just like I was once, for a few years, but then I started posting and it opened flood gates to shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504102
>Niji refuses to comply with Canadian courts
>Canada sends a request to Japan
>Japan forwards the request to Niji
>Niji refuses to comply
>Japanese government has no horse in this race and doesn't bother to enforce it

[Anonymous No.]

>>68494271
Now that things will be happening behind-the-scenes moving forward, I wonder what's the next vtuber/scandal we'll be observing next. This was cool but everybody made it such a big deal when it really wasn't.

[Anonymous No.]

I just hate the fact that Doki is playing defence. She needs to stop being a doormat for fucking once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504310
and then the canadian government will start taking assets or kicks them out of the country entirely, corporations cant just ignore this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504346
There's no point beating a dead horse. Nijisanji is doing a fine job killing itself. Doki has already won.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504111
So she didn't deny anything and you're just making stuff up?
>what they cite is the damage to the company's reputation and their operations by her claims
So, nothing to do with any sort of legal threats? Claims about Nijisanji being shit and trying to kill herself over it is not a legal threat. She was strictly terminated for contract breach and that is exactly what is said in the termination letter.

I have no idea what crack you're smoking anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504310
Then they'll automatically lose, and all their assets and money that are in Canada can be seized, and their imports can be banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504438
Okay, and? Canada siezes Niji assets. Niji continues to refuse to comply despite this. At what point do you start being correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504310
>Canada enforces Online Streaming Act
>Nijisanji then loses the right to operate and broadcast in Canadian soil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502328
Don't know much about leaf laws, but if this anon is right >>68428085 they wouldn't get the chance to try and stall the court out in the first place, and she wouldn't even have to go to trial.
>Captcha NDAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>68502883
That was “national security” case, blanket excuse for any made up shit. The arrest showed they shat on the constitution and handed the entire op over. It’s not really a corporate or civil case nor comparable. I know some contracts also stipulate any dispute has to be settled in a specific jurisdiction, but that was when I dealt with companies. Got fucked and any case had to be trialed in some US state where foreign compensatory damage had a hard cap of 100k, but the damages were obviously way higher. Basically no point of sueing because legal fees would be higher anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504663
Good luck paying for your talent in Canada, I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504535
>Canada will fuck over it's trade and diplomatic relationship with the world's 3rd biggest economy over a purple dragon getting bullied

Governments aren't nearly this idealistic anon. At best, Canada would use it as a bit of leverage when any future negotiations come up, "Hey remember that time you didn't help us with that vtuber stuff? Now give us a better deal."

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know Doki and Mumei's timezone?
There's a non 0 chance they're irl friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504663
>Canada seizes Niji assets
So this is more impactful than you think. Millie, Enna, Elira, Vivi, and I think one of the boys are all based out of Canada.
If Niji is barred from working in Canada the remaining successful livers are all going to be put out of work. Not to mention they literally just opened a new position for a manager based out of Canada.

It would be pretty big

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504742
That's me! Her statement today was vindication for sure, I made that post under the assumption that she hadn't told them why she was in the hospital, the fact that they knew why is just... hoo boy. It was also a relief that obviously she and her lawyer knows that crimes were committed here and what the avenues are, unknown if she'll pursue it but I'm just glad she's aware.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68504707
And niji continues to not give a shit and refuses to comply.

At what point do you start being correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>if you leave you might still be one of the bullies
>if you stay you're basically siding with the evil corpo over doki
doki made it literally impossible for the rest of them to do anything at this point and not get hated
pretty based

[Anonymous No.]

>>68503238
I'm sorry you're a literal who in the black company
Selen is one of the few only decent ones, the rest of you just straight up suck

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>>68504500
If you're the same person I was replying to that's disappointing.
I'm giving up on you but to state it for anyone else reading:
Selen in her return video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2YmJL0PX5M&t=9159s
> I wouldn't have made the statement if the announcement didn't go up the way it did, and I was willing to keep the info hidden to the public.
Nijisanji in the termination notice: >>68495358
> Moreover, Selen Tatsuki insisted that if negotiations did not progress, she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public.

To the second point the section in the termination notice in >>68497015 is pretty clear.

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>>68504876
>Niji loses canadian talent pool and market
Total W for the corpo
Corpo Bootlickers seem to like the idea of closing up markets and losing profits it's weird

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>>68504761
And?
Niji just axes their Canadian talents then.

>>68504846
That still doesn't mean Niji has to comply with any laws. They can eat the rocks of not being able to business in Canada if they really want to. It's not like Canada is the only other place with potential vtubers? Sure they'd take a hit, but it's not like Nijisanji isn't known for regularly eating rocks over their own stubborness.

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The number of people who seem to think you can just sign a contract and get legally skullfucked by a company itt is insane

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>>68504810
They fucked with Huawei which soured Canada's relationship with China and Canada's federal government banned the entire corp from selling it's phones here.
What makes you think they're gonna let a Canadian citizen get her workplace rights violated? Canada is BATSHIT crazy about it's workplace rights.

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>>68505070
I'm sure that would go over well for the CEO.

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>>68497929
Nta but proving you were provided with inadequate council is really fuckin hard. I won't doubt that the lawyer has a case but I do think the original anon does have a point. Always be careful with lawyers, they are out for money just like everybody else

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>>68505115
Unfortunately in the US you do. BC has stronger laws than the US does honestly.

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>>68505115
Yeah it's silly
Take it from me though, unless a high court or huge lawyer decides they want to challenge the case at their own risk / expense, nothing will happen.
Japan has archaic defamation laws and Nijisaniji can (read: would) just countersue. Selen wants to move on meanwhile and poking the bear for a lengthy cross-country lawsuit is the opposite of moving on.

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>>68505275 (Me)
I forgot a clause
>Take it from me though, someone who knows laws more than an average anon

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>>68499207
>niji is probably nuking the server history as we speak
consciousness of guilt
also they retaliated against an employee who reported harassment

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>>68505217
Even in the US, there are legal definitions of what an employee is. Most contractors are actually employees of third-party companies. That's how they get away with treating them like shit.

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>>68505045
Nothing you're saying is proving the two point you made which were
>Selen DENIED asking for money
>AnyColor terminated her for legal reasons

Nothing you have said backs up these claims.

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>>68504876
>>68505070

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>>68505063
I fucking hate Niji dude, I hope they unironically go bankrupt. Your point is just stupid that Niji can't just ignore laws. They absolutely can, there are just consequeces to it.

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>>68505070
>Niji just axes their Canadian talents then.
Sure, that will go really well.
>>68504745
The national security part was on behalf of US. Canada was trying to book them for fraud.

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>>68505275
Doki has fucking all at stake in Japan; Niji has plenty in Canada.

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>>68505275
>>68505383
Anon you don't get taken to court for these thing in Canada, the government just does an investigation, They have a whole part the government that only job is go through labor law stuff.

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>>68505666
In that case then yeah, it'd just be an argument of Canada vs Niji

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>>68505133
A case about national security is not nearly equivalent
Canada was being asked
>Hey compromise your national integrity or upset China
The choice was obvious

Canada tanking it's economy over national security is one thing, tanking your economy over a civil dispute for a vtuber is another thing.

>>68505135
Riku is the majority shareholder

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>>68505763
Yea pretty much. You do lawyer up in case, but these type of things are handled by the government itself over there, so it's not something you can just dodge that easy.

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>>68505577
When did I say Niji needs to consent to their shit getting siezed? They will absolutely get their shit taken. I'm just saying that Niji can accept that as a consequence if they want and still refuse to comply

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>>68505275
Indeed this is most likely what will happen though it would be fun if something else did.
If Niji were to get sued they'd counter sue and point to her many tweets about getting fucked by management and claim it as defamation.
Since these tweets could have potentially hurt the company, Japan would rule in favor of Niji. Doki would end up fucked over and owing them

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>>68497943
Chae ara.

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>>68505617
>Sure, that will go really well
Irrelevant to the point. They have the option regardless of how stupid it is

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>>68505783
How would penalizing niji "tank Canada's economy"?

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>>68505783
>civil dispute
It's not a civil dispute when you break numerous Labour Laws. This won't be a Selen vs Niji case, it would be a Canada vs Niji.

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>>68505896
It's a good thing that Doki is Canadian and Japanese laws don't matter.

Nor did Doki ever mention Nijisanji by name, there's absolutely no case even if she was in Japan because who the fuck is she talking about?

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>>68505783
>Canada tanking it's economy
Niji isn't that big, don't kid yourself here.

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>>68505519
M8. I'm NTA and I loved Selen and Doki but he's completely right. She admits to one of their claims in the articles of termination.

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>>68505967
From what I'm inferring from your post, I was thinking you think that Canada will actually harm its international relations with Japan over Selen.

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>>68505967
He's assuming that Japan would go to bat for it's own corpo if the Canadian federal government demands to hand Niji's head over a silver platter.

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>>68506010
Okay, minor criminal case then. It's still nowhere nearly equivalent to "Hey a foreign and potentially hostile country is now in control of your entire telecommunications network"

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>>68506131
Japan won't protect Niji if Niji broke Canadian laws while operating in Canadian soil

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>>68506100
Her admitting to a claim doesn't prove the two points being made?

She didn't deny anything
Nijisanji did not terminate her over legal reasons, they terminated her for internal contract breaches
Give any evidence for these two claims

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>>68506062
Yeah but if they pursued a counter claim to hers they'd go through Japans courts since anycolor is Japanese and would likely win there. Even if Doki won the case in Canada, they'd counter sue and she'd lose in Japan.
It'd be pretty easy to say that the talent defamed your company and caused damage to investors, you wouldn't even have to pull out dokis vods, Selen talked a lot about Management fuck ups. Doki would be found guilty of defamation of anycolor and would owe them money

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>>68506131
Son...do you not realize how tiny and insignificant a company anycolor is in relation to either Canada or Japan?

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>>68506273
I'm not saying Japan will protect them, I'm saying the Japanese government can br apathetic about enforcement and there's nothing Canada can do.

>Hey you guys broke Canada's laws, here's the fine they sent us and it says you havre to pay
>>No.
>Well we tried and we don't want to waste more resources on a fight we have no stake in

Unless Canada for some reason is really hell bent on busting Japan's balls over this, it's totally possible the whole thing ends in a stalemate

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>>68506131
Nigga, no politician in Japan is going to go bat for Niji, especially if it's labor-related like this; it's literally career-suicided.

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>>68506388
The maximum fine for defamation in Japan is under 4k dollars. Doki made 3 times that today in just superchats.

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>>68506388
Why would it go through the Japanese courts? None of the business conducted was done in Japan? This doesn't make any fucking sense. The Japanese court wouldn't give a flying fuck what a non-Japanese citizen working as an independent contrator in Canada said on an American social media platform which never even mentioned Niji by name or has any affiliation with Selen.

At no point does AnyColor have any grounds for a counter suit.

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>>68506532
Canada can outlaw them from practicing business in Canada which would kill off nijiEN

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>>68506436
Yes, that's my point. Why would Canada throw a shit fit over this when they could just sieze Niji assets without needing to involve the Japanese government

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>>68506532
>Canada for some reason is really hell bent on busting Japan's balls over this
They unironically would if Japan went "I can't be bothered." You have no idea how much of a cardinal sin it is to violate workplace rights here.

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>>68506752
And?

You niggers keep making the same point that "NIJI MUST COMPLY WITH THE LAW" and then keep giving consequences that Niji can just ignore.

Yes Canada can ban them. And Niji can accept the ban?

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>>68506857
>niji can just accept losing half the clique

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>>68506788
I really, really doubt that Canada would endager their business with Japan over it. At best, they would introduce nation wide laws to be more restrictive so this type of thing doesn't happen again but at no point are they jepordising their relationship with Japan over a purple dragon.

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>>68494271
>her lawyer confirmed she faced systematic abuse in nijiEN
not in court

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>>68506857
Uhmm yeah, if they want to retain like half NijiEN that's living in Canada.

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>>68506707
The business was indeed conducted from Japan though.
It was officially run by anycolor through Japan, Japan was involved every step of the way. The managers she "defamed".were Japanese and the conversations took place through a discord account ran and operated by Japan.
Everything involving anycolor was focused around Japan, even the money she earned was originally given in Japanese yen to anycolor who then converted it to CAD /USD after taking their cuts. Officially speaking every single thing she did was through Japan.

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>>68506968
All this assumes Japan would not collect on Anycolor which is...why? Why? It's fucking pocket change. Pay the 300K or something and go on your way.

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>>68506951
Yes? When has Niji literally ever given a shit about talents leaving the company when Riku is on record responding to a question about that very topic saying the equivalent of "Yes they did leave. Oh well."

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>>68506968
>endager their business with Japan over it.
But there wouldn't be any endangerment. Japan would hand Niji over a platter.

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>>68506968
Not sure why you think Japan is going to give a fuck some tiny company is getting spanked in Canada.

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>>68507024
Read>>68507070

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>>68506788
>Yes Canada can ban them. And Niji can accept the ban?
Yeah Niji would definitely accept losing Millie and Enna in the middle of the biggest shitshow ever

Well, now that I think about it, it's fucking Niji. Of course they would.

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>>68506968
Why do fags think Niji is so important?

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>>68507231
It's even worse than that. Niji axes them without compensation over this dispute and now Niji has violated several additional Labour Laws over other provinces where the other Livers are located.

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>>68507145
Yeah, marketing speak. Just like when Tim Sweeney said that PC games are not worth it and look at what Epic Games is doing now.

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>>68507070
It would be funny seeing Riku trying to explain the to the board exactly how Anycolor got banned from conducting business in Canada, specially after their financial reports clsined that they had reached marked saturation in Japan and they are going all-in on foreign expansion

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why do niji bootlickers act like nijisanji has yazuka holding power over japan lmfao

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>>68494450
I'll have you know that, in this particular case, it's a golden yacht, not a parachute.

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>>68507048
>The business was indeed conducted from Japan though
No it wasn't. Business was conducted in Canada.
>It was officially run by anycolor through Japan
And? If I say that AnyColor murders children. There is absolutely nothing they can do it about it because I didn't break any laws since I'm not in Japan.
>The managers she "defamed".were Japanese
And? I can say Riku eats babies. There's nothing they can do because I'm not in Japan.
>the conversations took place through a discord account ran and operated by Japan.
Discord is an American company. Also, and? I can post a message in discord saying AnyColor employees fuck dogs. There's nothing they can do because it was not done in Japan.
>Everything involving anycolor was focused around Japan,
No it wasn't.
>even the money she earned was originally given in Japanese yen to anycolor who then converted it to CAD /USD after taking their cuts.
And? Does the currency you get paid in dictate what national laws you must follow regardless of the country you're actually in?
>Officially speaking every single thing she did was through Japan.
No it wasn't.

Simply being hired by a Japanese company does not mean you are now subject to Japanese laws. That isn't how international political borders work. In fact, it is the exact opposite. If a Japanese company hires someone in another country, that company needs to respect and obey the laws of that country.

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>>68504346
Sure, but I don't want her to become like Sayu and have niggersanji living rent free in her head.

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>>68506062
In a cross-country lawsuit, Japanese AND Canadian laws matter.
There are entire international courts and special fields that go entirely into interpreting international lawsuits.

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>>68504310
>Japanese government would rather protect some nothing company over their relationship with Canada
In what world?

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>>68504346
I mean, that is literally how you fight a legal battle, just shut up and let the lawyer do their job.

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>>68507479
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying that it is a perfectly viable option with nothing actually stopping them because Canada isn't going to mount a military invasion to manhunt Riku. Canada can punish Niji, but they can't actually force them to follow laws.

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>>68497070
>>68496057
I think the point is that they wanted her to tell her audience something else, probably along the lines of
>Sorry guys, I needed to private it because of...
The same way you're doing any customer facing job and tell them
>Management is forcing me to do it like this
It's really unprofessional even if it's your real opinion. Not your company, you got to tow the line.

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>>68507719
China. Which would mean that anon is chinese.

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>>68507847
>military invasion to manhunt Riku
It won't come to that idiot. Japan would just hand them over.

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>>68507646
The business was not conducted in Canada, well she streamed in Canada she was under a Japanese management, following Japanese rules and her paycheck came from Japan. She was officially contracted by Japan, the business done was for Japan.

When you sign a contract to do work for a company in a foreign country, You are held liable to that country's laws. She signed a contract that made her liable to that country's laws. Unfortunately Japan has some really bass ackwards ideas of what defamation is and would undoubtedly use the fact that she had complained about management publicly several times to say that she defamed them. In Japan this is enough to actually win a court case, one of the most famous Japanese court cases involving defamation involved a reporter who did a paper on how a wrestling company in Japan was using illegal substances to artificially boost their wrestlers, and even though it was found that they were using these illegal substances he still ended up losing his ass because the wrestling company sued him for defamation and the court cited that because he hurt their profits, he was liable for defamation.

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>>68507679
No they don't because it's not cross-country. It's exclusively Canadian. Simply because Niji is Japanese doesn't mean they're allowed to pick and choose between Canadian and Japanese law. They have to follow Canadian law. If Selen was operating both in Japan and Canada then maybe.

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>>68507939
Why? You think Riku wouldn't mount an extremely costly legal defence against the JP government?

Again, unless Canada throw their trade relationship on the line, Japan has no horse in this race and so why would they expend the resources? Billionaires are wiley pieces of shit

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>>68507942
She's streaming on Canadian soil. Online Streaming Act dictates that she's conducting business in Canada