NijisanjiEN admitted to violating British Columbian Employment Law

[Anonymous No.]

Disclaimer that it's open public information from herself that Dokibird (formerly Selen) is Canadian (stated on her Twitter profile) and resides in Pacific Standard Timezone (on her schedule), British Columbia is the only province in that timezone and her location is relevant here.

By hiring a British Columbia resident, even as a foreign company Nijisanji is subject to the BC Employment Standards Act for those residents. The act is enforced by the provincial agency WorkSafeBC and their website has extensive documentation on their policies and practices for enforcement. IN THEIR OWN STATEMENT Niji admits to violating the Employer Duties regarding Workplace Bullying and Harassment: Repeatedly harassing her via emergency contact to negotiate (aka work-related activity) regarding something non-urgent while she was in hospital, detailed in purple in picrel. They also admit (via her claim that she had not publicly alleged) that there's liver on liver harassment which is something they are responsible for stopping. While there's obviously a lot of other alleged violations of the BCESA Doki could and should go for, I think it's worth pointing this first one out because they openly admitted to it.

BC courts already heavily favour the employee in cases of he-said she-said with no documented proof, there's likely extensive text/call logs of both public and private violations of the act. Claims made through WorkSafeBC also don't go through the standard court system so legal costs for the worker are rarely more than the consultation with a lawyer on the best wording and evidence to use to file, and thus there's very little reason for Doki to not do so. It's impossible to know how much she may receive in pay compensation, but even if it's minimal there'll at least be a sense of satisfaction that a black company faces at least SOME consequences that they've otherwise been avoiding due to Japan's backwards defamation laws.
P.S. They could also be taken to court for defamation as many things in their statement are provably false but that would be a full battle. She could do it and win but it would be stressful.

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>>68409400
It's funny, because Enna and Millie are also leafs.

[Anonymous No.]

WHOOOOO SEWERSLIDE ATTEMPT WAS NOT EVEN NECESSARY KEK

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Can this pulverize nijisanji as a company? Or only EN branch?

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You have to prove the bullying happened though. Good luck fat bitch.

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>>68409635
discord. saves. everything.

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just close NijiEN already

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>>68409531
Selen is the only PST canadian in nijisanji aka the only british columbia

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>>68409531
Yep, employment law varies by province though. I believe most provinces have solid laws but as someone who lives in this one and has experience with it I can speak with confidence about how it would go if she files.

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>>68409400
vtubers aren't hired as employees you absolute retard, they're independent contractors.

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>>68409732
Still, labour laws aren't that different across the country.

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>>68409635
Be it Discord or Slack, a subpoena would be enough to get the logs. Nothing is ever truly deleted from the internet.

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>>68409682
>>68409878
>discord DMs are revealed
>it's just management trying to contact her and her ghosting them
>or some random livers doing it and her interpreting this as harassment
You know that this is what would happen. She's being vague on the situation on purpose.

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>>68409792
Still need WorkSafeBC coverage as they work exclusively for Niji, they're not independent businesses by the government's definition.

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>>68409792
Ohoho
And there's you've hit upon another thing about Canadian law -
Contractors cannot be contractually bound to a single company; they can provide their services to more than one organization.

Anykara is probably also liable for misclassification of employees as contractors

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>>68409635
Did they not literally admit there was bullying in their statement?

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>>68409400
I need IQ to read all of this

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>>68410504
To me it reads like someone was trying to contact since she was ghosting management themselves and she interpreted this as harassment.

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>>68409635
roru the court would demand all the logs and emails

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>>68410556
tl;dr Niji broke the law by repeatedly contacting Selen (via her emergency contact) while she was in the hospital about something not urgent, and they can't deny it because they're the ones who said it.

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>>68410682
She was ghosting because she was in the hospital. Which I think that's another crime to harass employees when they are unwell

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>>68410747
hey, was doki who sended the messages in the selen account about her hospitalization?, if she was not and niji did it themselves without her ok to share is that impersonation?

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Oh boy it‘s another /vt/ legal episode

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>>68409400
>They also admit (via her claim that she had not publicly alleged) that there's liver on liver harassment which is something they are responsible for stopping
>liver on liver harassment

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>>68410682
>she was ghosting management
Where did you get this from?

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>>68409400
>Disclaimer that it's open public information from herself that Dokibird (formerly Selen) is Canadian (stated on her Twitter profile) and resides in Pacific Standard Timezone (on her schedule), British Columbia is the only province in that timezone and her location is relevant here.

Now I wonder is Selen living in Richmond
You know the Canada city that with 70% Chinese

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>>68411077
It's a rrat that Niji was the one who tweeted from her account about hospitalization, we don't know if that's true or not. If it is true and they didn't directly ask for her consent to share her location then they broke the Personal Information Protection Act and are royally fucked. I wouldn't assume that they did though, afaik that's also illegal in Japan so they'd be aware.

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>>68410963
I don't think they knew she tried to ACK at the time. They wanted to know what happened to their employee obviously. That's not harassment.

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>>68409792
you got checked and fucking mated. NDF I hope you have lawyers because this is what happens when you piss off a huge amount of people. Get ready to be eaten alive, all EN stakeholders and livers should start to get wary. After all, why wouldn't we donate towards legal fees.

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>>68409792
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/forms-resources/employee-or-independent-contractor

>Even if both parties agree the employed party be called an independent contractor, the courts can overrule it and treat the employed party as a an employee.
A liver at Nijisanji has a good chance of counting as an employee due to how many boxes they tick, but ultimately it's up to the court to make a ruling.

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>>68411360
Like how Niji treated everyone when people are concerned about the status of Selen. Fuck Off.

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>>68411360
>They wanted to know what happened to their employee obviously
Incorrect, they wanted her to release a public statement and knowing she wasn't in any condition of replying to their calls they kept trying to contact her parents. It's all there in their termination notice

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>>68410747
>>68410963
Trying to contact an employee who as far as you are aware is merely ghosting the company rather than in the hospital probably doesn‘t qualify

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>>68411347
ok, so what is in the air is that selen writed it herself, she shared to management what happened and gived the ok to share and last she tell management about the situation but she did not give the ok to share which if that is the case they are royally fucked, got it and thanks for the info.

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Isn't the perpetrator attempting to call the victim a crime while they are hospitalized?

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Take them to court selen

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>>68411460

Keenan v. Canac Kitchens Ltd., 2016 ONCA 79

>Canac closed its operations in 2009. Canac did not provide notice and took the position the plaintiffs were independent contractors. The plaintiffs brought an action seeking notice.

>The Court of Appeal upheld the Superior Court of Justice decision and dismissed the appeal. The Court upheld the trial judge’s findings the plaintiffs were economically dependent on Canac as they had worked exclusively for Canac or at a high level of exclusivity for Canac for on average 28 years and were dependent contractors. The Court also upheld the trial judge’s findings the plaintiffs were each entitled to 26 months’ notice.

>Lessons for Employers
>Independent contractors should not be economically dependent on one employer due to either complete or a high level of exclusivity as this will weigh heavily in favour of a conclusion a worker is either a dependent contractor, or an employee.

Was Selen given notice?

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>>68410504
They say she claimed to have been bullied, as retarded as the rest of the statement is it would be next level stupid to admit the claim was true.

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>>68411407
>After all, why wouldn't we donate towards legal fees
Literally none of you will pay money from your own wallets lmao

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>>68411670
Contacting once or twice to establish a reason and a timeframe for when an employee will return to work is fine, Niji states they repeatedly contacted her regarding specific work activities, and because they spoke with her emergency contact they knew at the bare minimum that Selen was not available to talk about work activities, but that's being charitable as they most likely knew she was in the hospital.

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>>68409635
You're a stupid fuck.

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>>68411561
>pls tell Selen to release a statement about why the video was privated
>REEEEEEEEE YOU MADE ME TRY TO KILL MYSELF YOU SHOULD BE HELD LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
I'm glad you admit it the menhera was never trying to settle for a peaceful solution.

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>>68409792
Canada has some goofy labor laws. I’m surprised to see so many leaves in this industry to be honest

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>>68411801
>Was Selen given notice?
Notice in the form of finding out 3 minutes after the announcement.

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Why would a canuck suicide if they have MAID?

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>>68411801
That's an Ontario case, separate laws although it does bode well that Niji Vtubers are employees. Regarding giving notice, because they had warned her about previous behaviour prior to this firing they (from their perspective) didn't need to give notice. She could go for a wrongful dismissal claim as well if she disagrees with the firing and she'd likely win because the firing incident wouldn't be considered serious/pressing but I didn't bring that up in OP because there's no point in talking in circles about legal what-ifs when the relevant information isn't public.

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>>68411908
I will.

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>>68411801
>Was Selen given notice
maybe not considering pic related
>2016 ONCA 79
that case isn't fully binding because it's an Ontario case. Could still be cited and referenced in a BC court tho

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>>68412128
See? They really broke the law and admitted to it.

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>>68411169
>>68412396
OP's claims are ignorant LMFAO. Doesn't sound like they've ever had a job - typical Nijikeks
First, it's doubtful that the legal standard would be met. Second, if argued in court, it would take years and incur massive financial cost if the case is lost. Third, even if the case is won, the award would only be damages from the unjust dismissal which would almost certainly not be worth the time and stress of a legal battle (This isn't the US). Fourth, the best outcome would be a settlement which would be even less than the damages.
Fifth, you're cringe. See >>68411191
Stop watching Niji. Stop supporting Niji. Best you can do.
>>68411169
no doubt lmfao

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>>68409531
A dog born in a stable is not a horse. They are not canadian they are chinese
>>68411243
>the Canada city that with 70% Chinese
How did it get this bad bros?

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>>68409565
This seems to be the most likely outcome. Anycolor has failed to shill their stuff worldwide due to the scandal and all the downsizing thats happening. At this point they'll just ditch their international branches and focus on japan entirely instead.

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>>68409400
Zamn, she's from the same province as me? No doubt she lives in the same city as me also. No wonder she's such a nasty bitch who pushes and organizes male collabs big and small. Bitches around here are skank ass Canadian whores with no morals.

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>>68412817
The nose hiding from moustache man infected the US via academia.

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>>68412817
>How did it get this bad bros?
There's a reason we had The Chinese Immigration Act of 1923.

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>>68409400
So she should get a lawyer and sue them for the funzies?

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>>68409531
It’s funny because it doesn’t matter. One of the Japanese investors is going to go KyoAni on Niji offices long before any court case is settled.

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>>68409635
Damn, if only there was an official statement saying that it happened

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>>68409400
Isn't it funny how often Americans like to shit on Canadians all the time, and yet Americans don't have protections anywhere near this good. American companies treat their workers like slaves.

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>>68412817
from that logic none of the white people running around in the usa are americans.

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>>68410321
>vtuber
>regular hours
Nice self-own retard.

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>>68412663
1) Picrel from BCgov site, legally firing without notice requires a blatant violation of something unarguable like a crime, Selen's behaviour is arguable. They can still fire her for it of course after being warned previously but she must be given at least two weeks notice.
The rest) You're outing yourself as the ignorant one because in BC these kinds of cases are handled through WorkSafeBC and/or the Employment Standards Branch, not a normal court. The worker doesn't pay anything besides any optional legal council they choose to get before filing a complaint. I would agree that it wouldn't be worth it for her to file just for wrongful dismissal, HOWEVER, Niji violated other employment laws so there's no reason for her to not add the dismissal to the additional complaints that she's likely to win.

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>>68413305
everytime bros why are they like this
>>68413341
qrd?

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>>68413564
It's just fun to shit on canadians, I don't think a sensible american thinks our systems hold a candle to canada's generally

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This law doesn't apply to contractors

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>>68413705
Bro do you even live in America...everyone here outside the rich areas think America is #1

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>/vt/ is now full of legal professionals arguing over employment and labor laws
lmfao

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>>68413739
>>68409792
non-compete clause makes Selen an employee by Canadian BC law, the courts can overrule and treat her like an employee
contractors by definition cannot be bound to a single company, especially not by non-competes like nijisanji does

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>>68413806
Every employee should know the labor laws. This is the duty for all workers.

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>>68413366
She already has legal representation, so while she might not sue for something a regular court handles like defamation because that requires resources and a big fight she is likely going to put in a workplace violation claim.
>>68413596
>ongoing basis
Also in this context "regular" means an expected amount, not time of day.
>>68413739
See >>68410321, the act in OP also applies to contractors when they fall under specific categories which looking at the definition Niji Livers do fall under. As >>68413982 said the presence of a non-compete cements it.

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>>68409531
>they can't find any leafs that wants to become their en manager
>millie and enna become the managers instead
>"guys we got new managers now, new fresh start and future is bright!"

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>>68411801
>Was Selen given notice?
No, they quietly deleted all of her videos and THEN dropped the announcement, all without telling her.

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>>68412663
>>68413620
Definitely not in her interest to pursue legal action. Suing would hurt her reputation since discovery almost always dredges up dirt on everyone involved - not good if you're a public-facing indie who already won all the goodwill from the community. While she has some favorable legal standing going into it from what's publicly available, it would only really be worth it if she gets sued by anycolor and countersues.

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>>68409778
Varies, but not by enough to matter. Each province made its own law but they all came to the same conclusions because >leaf values.
>>68412817
kys Henri.
>>68411670
How exactly do you figure they didn't know she was in the hospital?
>>68412373
Do your reps to understand how retarded this is. If you're just shitposting then gb2/pol/.
>>68412663
>someone trying to argue that Anycolor broke the law, is a nijikek now
baffling post
>>68413387
Don't be ridiculous, the stock hasn't even dropped as low as it was in mid-December. It's retarded not to diversify holdings anyway.

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>>68413739
the other dude was explaining that even if both the contractor and the employeer at first do not recognized themselves more than this, if they have characteristics that can conclude that the contractor has contractual obligations that are more about what a normal employee has with the company, the legal system will take the contractor as if was a normal employee, and nijisanji has some things that can make selen's case in her favor like the work exclusivity which enters has a normal employee contract requirement in the legal system where she lives because in that legal system contractor cannot have work exclusivity, selen can make a case like it or not if she takes it to court, or at least that is what i understood.

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>>68413564
Something people outside America often don't understand is how much these sort of laws and policies vary from state to state. Even Americans themselves don't fully comprehend it at times. That's not to say the overall trends are good and you should just ignore the bad, but it's worth saying that the whole country isn't Mississippi.

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>>68409400
Isn't this doxx? How do you know that Selen lives there

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>>68414396
>anon can't read the first sentence

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>>68413705
We can make specific comparisons that make Canada look good, but it's not gonna make Canada a paradise without its own issues.

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>>68414213
Cases handled by the Employment Standards Branch don't do public discovery, none of this is a standard court case where Anycolor could countersue if the investigation rules that the act wasn't violated. The system is structured this way to make sure that employees aren't at legal risk for reporting violations even if it ends up being above board.

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>>68409400
Any retard thinking this is viable is just jrking the hate boner they have, even in japan they broke a law by not providing a 30 day notice about termination but that only applied to private traded companies, not public ones, they must have bunch of loopholes on their belts because they know they can get away with it.

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>>68414766
they are experts in japan, not everseas...

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>>68414766
International companies having employees in localities still need to adhere to local laws, and does Niji strike you as particularly competent? This shit might fly in Japan, which seems like it gives them an outsized confidence. It's sticky and maybe not worth pursuing, but from the apparent story and their own dipshit statement, they do absolutely seem to be in breach of local law.
They've already completely fucking missed their window to quietly sweep it under the rug the US Corpo way - fire someone but give them a severance bundled with a "you can't sue us" agreement your lawyers calculated is 5% bigger than the legal fees they'd get back from pursuing you in court and hiring their own lawyer; the incentive of not having to stress out and wait for a payout through a months long legal battle that they could conceivably lose will pretty much always get people to sign it and shut up.

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Are gonna get dozens of threads again about how nijisanji will totally get obliterated in court for the next couple months like when zaoin was terminated

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>>68409400
British aren't people.

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>>68414766
Your example isn't even a loophole, it's just a law not applying to a large subset of companies that Anycolor happens to be a part of.
>>68415126
I have a hunch it's primarily Japan's defamation law that's causing them to act this way combined with their courts and the public favouring companies. There can't be any public discussion of potential cases over there because they can sue the shit out of randos just for talking about it and win, if they never see public pushback against their behaviour they stop questioning or caring if their actions are ethical.
>>68415764
Can't discuss specific regions because it's doxx as well as I don't want to overly speculate on international laws I don't know, but from what I can tell the two previous EN terminations didn't occur in areas where the local employment laws would help, and in the one that they questionably would it would leave Anycolor an opportunity to countersue and so it wasn't worth the risk. Anycolor's previous statements also weren't ass-out admitting to breaking the law like this one did, the one about Zaion's was purely about thinking she was endangering the brand which is subjective.

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>>68409878
does discord have voice logs? pretty terrifying it they does

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>>68409635
Are you Enna?

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>>68410117
That IS harassment you stupid fuck. Read the OP again, illiterate nigger

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>>68415948
Its funny because they are 'Columbians geologically the furthest away from the British

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>>68417417
Asking your employee to do their job is not harassment.

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>>68409400
Watching kurosanji get dragged through the courts would be hilarious but I doubt Doki would want to deal with that horseshit.

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>>68409400
too long

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>>68417813
>>68410747

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>>68416802
They actually recently turned on automated voice clipping when someone is broadcasting. Might want to opt out of it in the settings.

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>>68409400
OP, may I have a source on this or did you do this yourself?

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>>68411670
She wasn't an employee, can't have your cake and eat it too.

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>>68418444
You should tell that to Niji as you cant have an independent contractor and non-compete at the same time

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>>68409400
Thank you
Didn't read
Just move on, the girl is already dead.

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>>68409400
>Selen fresh new start
>and this motherfucker still obsessing to Niji.
I don't know man, can you just post it to X.

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Wait the Leafs telling me that they were going to get ass fucked by the Canadian government weren't lying, holy kek

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>>68418321
Myself, the link to the policy page I'm referencing is
https://www.worksafebc.com/en/law-policy/occupational-health-safety/searchable-ohs-regulation/ohs-policies/policies-for-the-workers-compensation-act#SectionNumber:P2-21-2
Further reading
https://www.worksafebc.com/en/health-safety/hazards-exposures/bullying-harassment
I only included a small section of it because it was already long but if you check the whole thing it's pretty clear.

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>>68418518
Just move on
Somehow I don’t think that going to happen. Here, twitter and Reddit are all still talking and still against the company this is just the start I think

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>>68418561
Well I can't now because it would link my personal to posting here. I thought about doing so before but I have enough visibility through a couple of mutuals that it could have gained traction and I don't want to be publicly pestered for weeks by the NDF. It's only a matter of time until somebody with an actual audience makes this connection though, depending on what Doki says during redebut tomorrow we might see more talk about it.

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>>68417523
It definitely can be

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>>68410117
What do you expecto to a chinese.

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>>68418574
ty anon, appreciate the work you do. I wonder if there's any way to forward this to Selen so that she can countersue if Niji ever sues her.

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Guys so you are saying that if I get hired by a company and then make a half assed attempt at suicide (which I know will fail but I am doing it just for attention) and I say it is that company's fault, I will totally destroy a company? Isn't that a lifehack?

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>>68412817
>Canada city that with 70% Chinese
Canadian Chinese*

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>>68419604
Go to mental hospital instead. You're not fit to work, easy.

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>>68418497
/thread
law doesn't apply to anycolor
jesus christ so much hyping each other up about lawsuits meanwhile ignoring the fat fact that niji talents ARENT EMPLOYEES

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>>68412128
Why would she settle peacefully after being harassed and getting 15k Canadian dollars stolen?

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>>68412663
If Canada has strong anti-harassment laws then they are totally fucked.

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>>68412419
>that pic
She knows that she will just be reading superchats for 12 hours and fake crying so why bother preparing anything.

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>>68409400
nigga I fucking hate Nijisanji but nobody in EN is legally an "employee". They don't even get a salary. They're contractors. All bets are off, and it makes you look like a retard.

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>>68409400
I'm gonna violate Enna's putrid asshole.

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>>68419956
>the never watch the streams
Start watching Pomu vod anon and go to her X-tard talking about salary.

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>>68420025
retard

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>>68419987
you might create a new coof strain, be careful

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>>68419490
I'm certain she already knows. While this violation is relatively cut and dry, I'd bet huge bucks that she's sitting on way, way more hard evidence of internal bullying and harassment and god knows what else, so what's mentioned here could end up being minuscule to the complaints she'll likely file. This is just something that we as the public could point to as illegal.
>>68419604
It wouldn't destroy the company, but if the company continually contacted you while you were in the hospital for your attempt after being informed you were hospitalized, they would be breaking the law if you reside in British Columbia.

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>>68420086
Kek

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>>68420086
Hi pomu I know you pay all your commissioned art to your Oto naru no hou e from your salary every month.

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>>68420090
>I'm certain she already knows. While this violation is relatively cut and dry, I'd bet huge bucks that she's sitting on way, way more hard evidence of internal bullying and harassment and god knows what else, so what's mentioned here could end up being minuscule to the complaints she'll likely file. This is just something that we as the public could point to as illegal.


As someone who was in a similar situation once, there's a lot of insecurities around legality that I worry about. I hope that she has enough support around her to help her should it come to that.

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>>68419723
The point is that, in the civilised world, external contractors are still protected by labour laws, in particular you can't treat someone as an employee when it benefits you and as a contractor when it doesn't.
We have proof that Niji requires talents to cease all other activities and work exclusively for them, that is something you can ask from an employee, not a contractor. We also have proof that talents aren't paid a salary, only compensation, like contractors are. This plus other stuff (lacklustre compensation, micromanagement and so on) leads me to believe the contract is worth less than my farts outside of Japan.
Anycolor will soon realise that they aren't worth shit in the grand scale of things.

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>>68419723
>>68419956
Because neither of you read the whole thread I'll repeat it. It doesn't matter if Niji and/or the liver consider the liver to be a contractor, BC's legal definition of worker supersedes the job title/type of employment written in the liver's contract. By both the government's general descriptions of contractors and specifically the existence of a non-compete, Selen was considered a worker covered by BC's Employment Standards Act.

[Anonymous No.]

Doki will DESTROY niggersanji in court with FACTS and LOGIC

[Anonymous No.]

>68420473
With fats and logitech.

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>>68410963
I hate to be that guy but even as a former dragoon, selen openly bragged about how much of a pain she was to reach. She even pointed out that there were times where she'd ghost management because after stream she needed time to cool down.
I side with selen/Doki but I won't downplay that she'd be an absolute pain to deal with as a manager.

That said she was worth every frustration because she was a hell of a worker and always tried to elevate the branch as well as her self. Selen could have done a project that was entirely about her and her preferences but she never did. She always tried to make sure everyone knew it was a Niji thing and include references and shout-outs to other livers.

But still. She'd be frustrating as fuck to work with

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>>68420574
Traitor

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>>68420468
Well shit, in that case let's fund a lawsuit/diplomat and make kyoani look like a silly little booboo (i'm serious. If you think there's a case here lets fucking nuke 'em)

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>>68409400
Why do so many vtubers live in the Northwest Passage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68420740
It's literally Asia 2

[Anonymous No.]

So this Black company is going to be put on trial eventually. Seems like the end of days, I hope my oshi Elira leaves soon.

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>>68420468
That's making it worse for them; they can't force a contractor to be on call like that.

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>>68420617
Call me whatever you want. I'll support her in full as Doki but as someone who has been in charge of tard wrangling people before, her openly bragging about being a pain and ghosting her manager as well as other talents and even collab partners, it made me feel second hand stress because I've had to put up with people like her.

Niji management is garbage and the branch to me is pretty much dead but I can admit that my oshi is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

this really is just zaion 2.0 including all the people thniking there will be a lawsuit
hopefully doki attracts some actual fans and not just dramafags

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421009
>actual fans...
Sorry anon. It's too late.

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>>68409400
so, let's say that doki has a solid case, a lawyer to fight for her and the ability to drag anycolor to court; would she actually do it? would it require her to doxx herself for the trial and would anycolor be able to retaliate and drag her to japanese courts for libel/slander/whatever bullshit they come up with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421009
Nah, it's all still just on the field of debate just giving Anycolor a taste of their own medicine. Even right now the only argument they have is 'durr she broke contract terms, the company has every right, what did she expect'
Well if you're going to wave the law around don't be surprised when you get beaten at your own game

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421215
International lawsuits are a huge pain at the best of times so I kinda doubt it. Not to mention that half her new "fans" would probably drop her as soon as her appearance became common knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68420717
No funding needed from viewers! The optional legal consultation fee for filing a claim for this kind of violation is small enough that the donations she's already gotten would have more than covered it, and she can't be countersued so there's no risk of a legal battle hurting her financially unless she goes big and does a normal lawsuit for defamation.
>>68420843
Yeah it's pretty airtight. Even if she's a contractor rather than an employee, due to the non-compete she's considered a dependent contractor and thus has many of the protections that a normal employee has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412128
She tried to part amicably on the 26th, and instead of having a nice quiet graduation, they decided, "YOU CAN'T QUIT, YOUR FIRED!" As if they couldn't see the shitstorm that terminating EN's most popular vtuber would cause. (Nevermind putting their talent's lives in danger by claiming the harassment that lead to the suicide attempt was from other livers.)

Nijisanji had permissions for the MV back in August 2022, and either forgot or chose to ignore it. This is ALL their fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421554
If you want to call them black company it's only fit the narratives. "YOU WILL GET NOTHING FROM US SEREN DESU. YOU WILL HAVE NO GRADUATION MONEY. GO HOME, JA NE~"

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421215
>>68421343
There's no court case or lawsuit involved and no doxxing needed, employment law violations are handled by a government body and the employee's information isn't made public. If they find that Anycolor didn't break any laws either Doki can appeal that decision or it will just end, they can't go after her for making a claim. BC and Canadian laws apply to Anycolor as the employer hiring a Canadian worker living in Canada, but Japanese laws don't apply to Doki for being a worker for a Japanese company because she doesn't live there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409531
I thought they were Pinoy

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421655
so what would be the outcome if they found anycolor did break laws?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68411191
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68413568
Exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421751
Another suicide attempt bur more successful this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421751
For one, if they find that livers are supposed to be employees rather than contractors, then they would have to provide severance pay, income tax, statutory compensation funds and the like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422142

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421751
She can submit a compensation claim as her mental state was caused by bullying/harassment, it would be a slam dunk case as she would have spoken to a psychiatrist and social worker in the hospital after her attempt and anything she said to them would be key evidence along with previous text logs. What she would actually get monetarily is a huge question mark since we don't know financial details but she would get it. She also could potentially submit a discriminatory action claim depending on the timeline of events but that's information we don't have so I don't want to guess too much on it.
https://www.worksafebc.com/en/resources/health-safety/information-sheets/workplace-bullying-and-harassment-frequently-asked-questions
I say slam dunk because I'm related to somebody that has to do HR shit including bullying cases, the bar for violations is very low in BC and a suicide attempt is the highest possible jump over that bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421751
We'd never learn about it, there will be no media circus and selen/doki can't talk about it in anything but the vaguest possible terms.

If she did win though she'll get money from kurosanji, how much might depend on how hard they fucked her.

>captcha D0SH.

Promising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409878
>Nothing is ever truly deleted from the internet.
Where's the old porn then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422295
The first one they could actually be considered an employee for as well, Niji vtubers set their own hours but the company is the one that decides on how the work is performed (main platform must be Youtube, must use company-controlled socials) and provides the equipment (models/assets).

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422313
>>68422461
sounds promising, the termination notice mentioned her having legal consul so it'd be nice for anycolor to have some legal backlash to their shitiness

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
talents are not employees, they are contractors working as business to business
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>68423000
Retard niggersanji shill
Your traitorous oshi and you will both suffer

[Anonymous No.]

>>68423000
Read >>68420468

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
nobody cares, Canada is a Chinese province

[Anonymous No.]

How do canadians cope with not being a sovereign nation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
Selen is a Columbian?! Didn't know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68423747
by having worker protections like 1% better than america's. being bad is okay as long as you're not the worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>68411754

[Anonymous No.]

>>68411208
They're making shit up to defend their precious corpo. NDF really haven't been sending their best lately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409792
Shut up Vince.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68423751
She's British and columbian

[Anonymous No.]

>>68425381
It's still a rrat as they don't specify when they removed account access, it could have been after that tweet was made which would make sense as they realized a woman who was just pushed to the brink by them could spread what happened to her entire audience via official channels at any moment as the hospital had just given her phone back. Was the tweet written and posted by management rather than Selen herself? ...Most likely yes, but there's no concrete proof of that and Doki hasn't said anything about it (yet).

[Anonymous No.]

Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>68413705
I may call for the Day of the Rake in public for fun, but I'd love to have your health insurance. >>68421343
You mean her super-cute appearance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409635
KYS Nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

pack it up riku, no more yachts for u

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422295
We already ruled delivery app drivers need to be considered employees whether the company likes it or not. Corpo vtubers are comparable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68413705
Canada is suiciding healthy kids through their MAIDS program. And their politicians are championing it because it reduces the overall cost of care on the state. Truly zhang values.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68426805
Nigga please at least learn how many people go through that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68426805
The average age of MAID is over 70.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68426805
Do you actually have a source for this or did you read a couple conservative articles saying teenagers can walk into a hospital and suicide themselves legally?
Cause the long and short, educated answer, would be no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412173
It's BECAUSE of Canada's laws that working for a foreign company makes sense. Because here the company has no power over an employee with a good lawyer. Nijisanji clearly doesn't understand this--but to be fair a lot of our citizens are oblivious as well because they only consume american media and assume everything is the same here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
We are talking about nacionality, notrace you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422142
>>68422313
Anyone who cares about Selen needs to notify her of this. Anyone who cares about what happened to Selen needs to hear this. Anyone who wants to prevent this from happening again in the future needs to hear this.

[Anonymous No.]

OP heading to bed, thanks for the discussion everyone. Making a summary of counterpoints you can link to for anyone who won't read the existing posts.
> NijiEN branch vtubers aren't employees/they're contractors so laws don't apply
The BC government uses its own criteria of what an employee/contractor/worker is when determining if employment laws apply, not what the worker and employer define the relationship as in the contract. Niji's non-compete clause plus various other criteria means Selen/Doki falls under the "dependent contractor" label which grants her at minimum harassment protections as well as the right to being given advance notice of her firing.
> Legal action would be too identifying to pursue
Filing a claim that your employer broke employment laws doesn't go through the normal court system where public discovery and other processes happen, evidence is submitted by both sides and the verdict is determined privately by the government, all communications between parties are private.
> Legal action would be too expensive to pursue
Again, not the normal court system. The initial optional consultation with a lawyer when deciding what to submit is relatively inexpensive and was likely already covered by donations.
> Legal action would be too dangerous to pursue
Anycolor cannot retaliate legally because they wouldn't be sued by an individual for wrongdoing, they would be investigated by the government body for wrongdoing. The system is structured specifically to make sure employees are safe if they report violations. Japanese laws don't apply to Doki because she doesn't live there, even if her employer is Japanese.
> She won't win anyway because they weasel out of everything
Historically laws and legal decisions in BC favour the party with less power unless the evidence is stacked against them, and employees can't sign their existing rights away in a contract. The current provincial leader also previously was the director of a civil liberties society and championed anti-SLAPP legislation, so if the case has to go higher up or Anycolor pulls some nonsense there would be support for Doki from the top of the government.
> Why bother
Financial compensation for lost wages due to hospitalization and potentially wrongful dismissal, but also Doki seems angry enough to want the satisfaction that comes from them being officially ruled as breaking the law because Japan won't do shit.

Wishing her the best on redebut today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68428085
Thank you for your services, OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>68419723
the non compete clause disqualify them as contractor under Canadian law, if the court rule that it isn't a contractor relation but an employee relation there's shit Anycolor can do

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
So if I read this thread correctly. The agency handling employment law would pursue the case via employment misclassification and employer obligations. The former being the most important part. I'm interested to see what the variety of civil penalties to be levied. Given that there's multiple Canadians, it can get pretty hefty.
>Payroll taxes
Technically, there's also a tax law case here right? Canada has federal and provincial payroll taxes if I can still query the internet correctly. Same with employer obligations, civil penalties can get pretty hefty. Looks like the CRA has four years for statutes, but they'll probably start with 2022 to avoid the statute expiring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68428085
My main point of contention isn't "It's not worth it", because it's always worth it, but what would even be the consequences?
What happens if Anycolor goes "We're a Japanese company; we're not paying attention to that shit"? Do they get banned from operations in Canada? I'm read up on contract law and copyright law, but international labor violations aren't exactly in my purview.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
Everyone is African, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68429728
>Still believing the out of Africa theory

[Anonymous No.]

>>68428085
Hmm. So Doki should probably file that claim because it's very unlikely that the claim specifically could negatively impact her and it could help her recoup the costs of all the stuff she paid for out of her own pocket as a dependent contractor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
If she truly has a case, I really hope she pursues it. I'm not speaking out of malice, this is a serious concern for the wellbeing of the talents, former and current.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68429829
all evidence still supports it

[Anonymous No.]

>>68428948
Two things will happen.
First, for refusing to comply, their english branch will be shut down and they will be barred from doing business in the country. Second, the canadian government can petition the japanese government to pursue the funds owed on their behalf as part of the treaty agreement between the two countries. Japan would have incentive to comply of course because the treaty agreements are mutually beneficial, and failing to uphold their end can risk unwinding international agreements through which trillions of dollars in capital and goods move daily.

These things are so mundane that it's not really a diplomatic process. Both sides have regulatory agencies set up to handle these issues and communicate across both ends, so it would simply progress through the necessary channels and probably not even make news headlines. It's almost unthinkable that a company would be stupid enough to refuse to comply in a situation like this. Chinese and russian companies get away with this kind of things because they are national pariahs and mafia-states that don't have binding international agreements regarding it (and routinely refuse to honour binding national agreements anyways) and companies knowingly take big financial risks engaging with them (which frequently backfires), but for closely connected economies that observe international rules-based diplomatic systems, those rules matter and are adequately enforceable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
>A dog born in a stable is not a horse. They are not canadian they are chinese
She was born in Canada and has canadian citizenship, therefore she is canadian
her race doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
>let me tell you about your country
Back across the border with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68413564
>canadian thinks he's a person
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>68419956
>I fucking hate Nijisanji
>BUT

[Anonymous No.]

>>68429973
>It's almost unthinkable that a company would be stupid enough to refuse to comply in a situation like this.
Okay but this is Anycolor we're talking about here. If you told me 4 months ago that it would be unthinkable that a company would be stupid enough to tackle Selen's situation in the way that they did, I would have believed you, but here we are. Somehow despite a corporate structure having barriers in place to prevent a singular person from making dastardly retarded and cartoonishly evil decisions, Nijii has somehow bypassed all of them. Probably due to most of their staff being cartoon villains or just plain retarded and can't navigate through simple legal documents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68429973
The main reason I don't see her pursuing this is
1) she probably doesn't know any of these details
2) the process, even if it favors her, would take a while and would be emotionally draining when she's trying to set up a channel and activities again

[Anonymous No.]

>>68430526
Yeah but that is on the EN branch, if they don't comply they start risking the JP branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409635
Of all the things alleged here that's by far the easiest to prove lmao. In real life bullying happens verbally mostly, but these retards use discord, thus leaving a paper trail of everything anyone said. There's zero "he says she says" here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68430728
I don't think they would realize it would risk the JP branch is the thing. My money is on if the call reaches their desk they will go "EN problems, who cares? RMAO." They've shown they can't correlate how problems in sub branches affect the main branch in SOME way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68430553
The process is largely set up to avoid putting too much burden on the victim. She may be called upon to testify at some point but for the most part she wouldn't be responsible for much directly. She has already lawyered up apparently, and her lawyer will know much better than you or I what options are on the table for her and will be able to take leadership in pursuing any action with her consent. None of this necessarily needs to be made public, to protect the victim and their privacy, so for all we know things may already be moving and we won't even know until there's a quarterly report from Anycolor in a few years where they disclose major losses due to "legal matters"

Sort of like how Walmart was publicly humiliated when they revealed their downward trend in profitability was due to losing billions each year in restitution for wage theft convictions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
Canada wont do shit to a japanese country. We didnt even sanction india for fucking assassinating canadians on canadian soil.

[Anonymous No.]

It's shit like this that explains why they hate dealing with the EN branch. They probably need an expensive lawyer per country they operate in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68430553
>she probably doesn't know any of these details
She has retained a lawyer that might bring it up.

...But even if the process is designed to not burden the victim, yeah, I've a feeling it'd be too much for her on top of everything else. It'd be nice for Nijisanji to be brought to justice, but I think the only real hope for that lies in their losing the branch, and the related investment money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68429973
>It's almost unthinkable that a company would be stupid enough to refuse to comply in a situation like this.
AnyColor has not made a single intelligent business decision since Iluna was being hired, at most generous. But your point is taken. It would be critically stupid to refuse to comply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68431265
If they have an NA-based lawyer, that lawyer is either the dumbest fuckhead incompetent on the bar and should be stripped of their license, or they're sending a dozen messages a day saying "DO NOT DO THIS" and getting ignored.
Considering we now have full knowledge that Nijisanji is run with the old Chinese maxim of "you get what you pay for", there's no way they have anybody that speaks English on retainer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
Tell her not us idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68431265
Typically the approach is to outsource all this kind of stuff to a 3rd party administrative assistance firm that specializes in either navigating regulations and compliance in the specific country you're expanding to, or generally serves clients in a group of jurisdictions. You're legally required to have some sort of administrative personnel who are licensed to deal with the regulations of the country you're operating in.

I don't know which approach specifically that Anycolor took, but I know that japanese companies often look for administrative assistance in Singapore, which is a major financial hub for this sort of international business.

[Anonymous No.]

On a total side note. These laws would explain why kronii recieved that anti bully backing tweet from managment during that time she pissed off her unicorns. Which might be further proof of how black of a company niji is compaired to hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68431070
>Compare a country to a company

[Anonymous No.]

If the law has been violated, doesn't that make the NDAs void?
Doesn't that essentially mean Doki can basically say whatever the fuck she wants?
I don't know how it works in Canada, please teach me, I'm dumb like my oshi who is also canadian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409531
Millie is pinoy immigrant and Enna is a fucking chink bitch.
Not real canadians, they are CHINK IMMIGRANTS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432091
NDAs also cannot be used to coverup illegal harassment and other illegal activities so

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
This all comes down to
>This doesn't count for contractors but Selen counts as an employee because....BECAUSE I SAY SHE IS

At the end of the day the only person that would make that decision is the judge. You realize if a judge rules differently, for literally any reason, then the entire case goes up in smoke right? And she would be in financial ruin

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432209
if they live in canada and/or have canadian citizenship they are under canadian law

>CHINK IMMIGRANTS
does not matter

[Anonymous No.]

As a leaf, between this and health care, I am never voting conservative. Fuck those dumb shit cunts that want to turn us into America Jr.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432324
>because....BECAUSE I SAY SHE IS
because of the non-compete clause as under canadian law a contractor can not be demanded exclusivity

[Anonymous No.]

>>68410682
And how did she get in the hospital? It's implied she tried to suicide in part because of harassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432091
She can say whatever the fuck she wants as long as she doesn't set foot in japan.
If her plane so much as touches rightful nihongeesese clay for a layover on the way to the mainland the plane is going to get swatted by the jap defamation death squad for hurting niji's feelings. (It's true is not a valid defense in slant-eye court)

[Anonymous No.]

if this has the repercutions to deal a huge blow to niji, then despite its good for Selen she might not do it, she surely has friends and people she's cool with in NijiEN.

Fucking over NijiEN to the point it might shut down alltogether would put their friends there in jeopardy and it would turn into an ugly situation quickly. Besides, NijiEN management is scummy enough to use Selen's friends as shields.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432209
Why did you let them in brother. You could have prevented Selen being bullied to the point of suicide.

>>68410682
>>>>>She was ghosting
You can just say you don't know anything about her it's okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432725
Even if Selen does nothing, it's difficult to imagine NijiEN lasting longer at this rate. This was one of the biggest PR disasters that the branch went through, they're now public enemy number one amongst a sizable portion of the EN vtubing scene. I give it until mid 2025 until the branch gets absorbed into the main branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432725
They've lost nearly 1,000 yen in stock value with another graduation on the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432725
Their friends are going to be fine because they'll just get rolled into the main branch

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people falling for this shit? She broke the rules multiple times, tried to kill herself, gets fired. Now it's Nijisanji's fault. You people are all falling for the suicide bullshit. If you don't want to get fired, don't break the rules in your contract

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409635
Don't use iinchou for your EN shitpost

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433128
Nijisanji's actions and multiple people leaving the company has done little to prove that they're trustworthy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432725
>Selen does nothing
EN continues its downward spiral into oblivion. Things for the current talents likely get worse, certain people continue their bad behavior. Another year or so at tops before it's dissolved.
>Selen does something
ACCELERATES EN's coming demise, or best case scenario, lights a big enough fire under their ass to make impactful change so that it's not a miserable place for up and coming vtubers to join.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
Canada is rightfully chinese clay at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433128
Maybe if Anycolor doesn't want to get sued, don't break the laws in the country you agreed to operate in

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433275
It is entirely possible if she goes on some big spiel about what happened and who did what and it reveals she has some strong elements of unreliable narrator it could actually do more harm to the anti-Niji "cause" than help.

I find this unlikely but it is absolutely possible. Like in Better Call Saul, how Chuck is right about basically everything Jimmy did or was doing, but because he flew off the handle explaining it like an unreliable schizo in a court setting, Jimmy's consequences are lessened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433275
>ACCELERATES EN's coming demise
I get that, but the point is that she'd ruin her friendships and connection with other talents, which is not very favorable to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433128
Naruhodo naruhodo I see. If you don't want to get ejected from operating in canada on top of tens of millions in fines maybe you shouldn't violate canadian law. If you want to keep canadian employees you shouldn't break canadian law dozens of times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433580
>Her friends are graduated
>Connections with those that abused her aren't useful
It's only positives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433128
You fell for the shit that laws don't account for mental breakdowns that come from toxic management, and they actually do. It's part of why court-mandated apologies happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432713
Japan has no juristiction over the case, they can't do shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>68412817
>A dog born in a stable is not a horse
nigger these are two different species, inb4 bugmen are not human

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434108
In canada. It's still a slam dunk defamation in japan not because that's justice it's just how bad their courts are. They can't extradite her either but they can serve her as soon as she enters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433579
I don't think she would go on a big spiel, but only give the slightest of confirmations at who was doing the wrongs and how it affected her as a creator. She has probably been talked to by supportive people close to her, or likely even a medical professional in regards to how to handle things going forward. If she addresses it calmly and with articulation, it will only help her cause.
>>68433580
With who exactly? Most of the people that are likely to be friends with her also hate the shit that is going down there. That's not to say they 100% want the company to go down in flames with them still inside, but I doubt they would hold it against Selen for saying what she feels she needs to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434199
Oh sweaty one day you'll reach reality. You'll learn what everyone else already knew for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433580
Its more than likely to see Selen still being friends with people like Rosemi, maybe even Ike or Vox when the company shutters. Realistically EN is at the point where it's becoming a failed venture for Anycolor, due to poor management and bad hires.
If people like Millie and Enna are mad at her, then Selen did herself a favor and dodged many walking red flags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68433580
Anon, most people that she interacted with regularly have already graduated, or weren't in the company to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434263
It happened outside japan, they have no claim over the case
they can't do shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434199
>>68434348
lmao it's only primarily western/European countries where this delusion that anyone who wants to be can be American, Canadian, Swedish, British, whatever. There is no delusion that some Englishman born and raised in Japan will ever be "Japanese" in anything more than name on a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434348
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434877
>delusion
those are countries where citizenship isn't define by race, bugman autism is meaningless

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409635
Discord or slack whatever they use has logs of everything. Niji also fucking admited it in their termination notice. LMFAO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434883
>Denying humanity's collective experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434821
You have to sign a contract to to work over that and form NDA's that 100% overturns that let's you have claims over it as the government. You can literally can read it if you got through links OP has put, you will be charge a large international fine for not complying, it's set in the contract to work within the country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434971
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>68410117
Lets say your rrat is true
If this occured during her hospitalisation then they're fucked as it counts as bullying under the regulations posted above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434877
fuck off ayame

[Anonymous No.]

>>68413596
Regular hours does not mean what you think it means. Regular hours just means that she works for them on a regular basis which she did for multple years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434945
>>68409635
They use discord so it's an easy subpoena clap. Which isn't even considering Zaion's nuclear football or anything Mysta and Nina kept. Niji already confirmed Selen has a lawyer as well.

>>68435061
Learn from your elders if you don't have any argument. You might figure out why things are how they are. If you're personally upset because you're a bug, try not being awful. Get your kin to stop being so awful you're collectively recognized as unbearably awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435009
no retard it doesn't
Japan defamation law has no jurisdiction over the case as non of it happened in japan and Doki isn't japanese
She doesn't need to follow their laws outside their country

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435084
Hostel in leafland that's open and shut you're fucked kind of case if it happened. The fact that they have her on record trying to hurt herself from harassments in the workplace, doing nothing about and firing her means you're pretty much fucking done in the person files against you. Mental health is such a big fucking deal over there and treat it super fucking seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>68434877
True, a proper Englishman will never become an insect no matter how hard he tries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435200
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435009
How retarded do you think people are? This isn't the US where you can sign rights away, rights are right and unless there's a very specific exception which this doesn't entail at all and an NDA/waiver will not be valid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435097
please leave whatever host country youre in if you dont want to assimilate - thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>68435343
Niji has a position open for talent manager right now sweaty. Have fun learning what everyone already knew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68421699
Millie is, Enna is Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68432956
>nearly 1,000
Not even half that, graph-chama

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409635
Nijibased

[Anonymous No.]

>>68436176
NTA but
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>68436843
Are you okay, retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68437134
Bet my nut that retard is a newfag, probably underage

[Anonymous No.]

>>68430864
Isn't it more likely that the meetings with the manager were on a Discord call? I can't wrap my head around the idea that they were stupid enough to write it down, but of course we're talking about Niji...

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409400
Foreign Companies have to apply for worksafe BC status either through an EOR or PEO. If they never bothered anycolor can just ghost them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68422313
So what I'm understanding is that they could have paid her compensation for the abuse, the hospital bills, and let her graduate, promising that she wouldn't say anything bad, but instead they preferred to lose millions in stock, damage their reputation, affect their merchandise sales, all so that in the end it is likely that they will end up paying even more money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68409792
That's going to be a really bad legal argument. I hope they go for that one just for the absolute shitstorm that will ensue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68437472
I mean we saw the Yugo discord leak with the manager numberfagging, so I would presume a fair amount of communication is still in text. That could easily have been conveyed with screenshare and a video meeting if they had strict meeting discipline.

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>>68437650
Cucknada can also expel them which would wipe out half the branch.

>>68437818
Yes. Niji's micropenis rage has had catastrophic consequences since the Zaion eruption.

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>>68418572
Lubed with Maple Syrup

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>>68437650
Than Canada active their treaty with Japan and have them charge anycolor directly, what could hit their main branch reputation
But again, it's on their nature to choose the dumbest option avaliable

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Qrd on the whole thread?

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>>68443369
Numerous livers have good grounds to sue Niji's canadian operations into oblivion. Interns on overdrive boardwide after management just admitted to ignoring a liver being bullied to suicide.

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>>68434877
Kill yourself pagpag, we nuked the wrong Asian cities

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>>68409400
Has no one talked about this?

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>>68409635
its funny because the jp branch is just as bad as en and he posted a funny og member image
XD
le irony

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>>68409792
independent contractors are still human beings with rights here..
stupid bastard...

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>>68410733
>selen sues for harassment
>discord logs, dms, voice call records submitted as evidence to court
>information collected in Canadian court cases are designated as matter of public record
>anons will be able to freely access niji discord logs
She will never go to court because of this

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>>68447697
You didn't read anything in the thread. There would be no public discovery phase.

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>>68447697
>>68414631

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>>68447697
>She does all that
>turns out situation is even worse
>turns out she was truly an abused saint
>turns out manager told her to jjust kys

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>>68452842
Well it is important to keep your smile in hard times.like management privating your video

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>>68409400
Here we gooooo

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>>68410117
>keep pushing the "she's actually mikeneko" bs again
surely this time it will happen, anon
btw don't read the catalog lol

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>>68458852
You people are seaniggers seamonkeys schizophrenia people from Indonesia and Philippines cum eating cuckolds Holofaggots.

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>>68409635
They also have to prove Niji knew about it and didn't do anything about it.

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>>68459749
Niji already formally admitted they knew about the harassment in the publicly released document explaining why they fired Selen. They cant exactly turn around and go 'haha we were joking actually we fired her under false pretenses'. The case is a slam dunk.

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>>68413278
awesome, time to go live in canada

[Anonymous No.]

Wait so she already lawyered up? That means if she isn't a retard she won't say shit on her stream.

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>>68459749
they knew about it and it almost looks like there could even be a retaliation case if discovery suggests or finds that any of the talents doing the bullying were complaining to upper management about selen and they didn't punish the ones doing the bullying.

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>>68431070
This. All these retards doing their armchair analysis are burgers.

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>>68461093
also to clarify it'd be
bullies openly tell upper management/selen tells management about bullying, they do nothing --> selen tries to unalive herself --> makes the company look bad according to upper management --> they retaliate against selen by firing her for causing 'drama' instead of fixing the problem

internal company rules being broken or not, the suicide kind of overrides the priorities there because that's getting into a matter of state/federal law precedent, not the fucking company's internal arbitrary rules.

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something else I just googled up and, while I'm not a leaf so I'm not 100%, it appears they literally need only two people to file a class-action lawsuit in Canada.

thing is I do not know if all plaintiffs involved must be leaf citizens or not, aka "can they pull in zaion or not" to get it off the ground. but I mean, it doesn't seem impossible and if there were multiple complaints / lists of receipts against the company, they unironically may be able to give nijiEN a tough time in court there at the very least if not settle. but that would probably be a long and ugly fight so those involved would have to decide if it's worth it or not. maybe if there is a third zaion/selen situation at that point they could try something.

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>>68462289
This isnt really a class action, the wronged parties each have different specific grievances and only a few common shared grievances.

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>>68460946
Unless the lawyer tells her that she can.

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>>68428085
Thank you for your services, lawman anon. I am wishing you a good night sleep.

Here is some corn for your good work.

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reminder lawmen are chinese in Canada
just fyi in case you nigger want to keep pushing the "she should sue" angle
By this time the amount of "uncles" calling her and telling her to shut up about it must be astronomical.

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The yellow intern is a afeared

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>>68462289
i dont see why any party - the three parties being the complainant, the respondant, and the court - would think themselves to benefit from having the complainants certified as a class... unless, of course, the harrassers are a minority in niji, and the harrassed happen to be a larger number of Canadian citizens than what i personally know of the group. Then it would save the court and defendents a lot of effort to certify a class for this.

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Too many people in this thread incorrectly thinking this is like a defamation or wrongful termination lawsuit.
Canada essentially setup a giant HR umbrella. Selen makes the claim to them and they perform their own investigation with their clout as a country. They rule on the decision and then pursue recompense with their clout as a country.

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>>68468232
link cases of this being true and the complainant being chinese-descended

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>>68412817
Its fucking Canada the horses got killed hundreds of years and the few survivors got sent to Oliver Twist dog school.

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>>68465330
i don't understand this statement. if the lawmen are chinese wouldn't they be with selen on this, or is the implication that the chinese stand with japan against hong kong diaspora

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>>68413568
Except white people invented america.
Yes this also means indians aren't actually indians.

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>>68469484
>white people
half dozen of English freemasons
not your achievement hanz

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>>68447395
>the jp branch is just as bad as en
except not lol
niji jp is the obvious protagonist

[Anonymous No.]

>>68469484
A scufflet in the wild?

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>>68468232
Minor correction but it's handled at a provincial level, not federal, I think. So it would be the province of British Columbia pursuing a case against Nijisanji.
And even if they win, it would be a great moral victory but wouldn't trying to actually enforce any judgement depend on the Japanese government's willingness to play ball?

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SHUT THE FUCK UP IT'S STARTING

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>>68413568
that's a fact

[Anonymous No.]

DRAGONCOIN RISING

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>>68469969
>This one from X-tard.
Do your reps newfag.

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>>68409400
No one is going to care

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>>68409682
Do they? Somebody deleted a channel on a server I was in as a joke (>) and we found out the hard way it's not reversible on our end, they should allow restoring by the server owner

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>>68477948
There's data retention laws required by every tyrannical dystopian country for compliance for the purpose of the government doxing dissenters. They don't have a switch you can riverdance on when you feel like being an obnoxious pain in the ass making more work for them.