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I think Dokibird will hit 50k CCVs tomorrow. Thoughts? Am I way too high or on the money? Or am I not high enough???

>> No.68408233

>>68408055
Everyone knows that every drama loving piece of shit will be there, no matter how badly they talked about her before.

>> No.68408479
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68408479

Bitch keeps on leeching but not addressing her mentally illness for attempting to suicide wtf

>> No.68408562

>>68408055
I think 80k

>> No.68408594

Literally no ex-corpo has ever surpassed their former numbers after going indie.

>> No.68408784

>>68408594
The way things are going in Niji EN that might change pretty soon.

>> No.68408937

>>68408594
Niji is a special case

>> No.68409086
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68409086

>>68408479
how many time we gotta tell you to fuck off
Enna? Perhaps, consider the following. Then after you consider it, neck yourself.

>> No.68412306

>>68408055
I just hope doki's doing okay and happy now she's got a bright future ahead of her I will be there to support her as I was with kson and how cover treated her

>> No.68412424

>>68409086
keep riding that (self-admitted!) bpd girlcock, it worked for rushia fans after all

>> No.68412482

>>68408594
Yugo?

>> No.68412501

>>68408055
30k my bet.

>> No.68412509

>>68408594
Yugo

>> No.68412542

>>68408055
Irrelevant. 50k CCV is low, in 6 months it will be 100ccv, in 2025 it will be 50ccv.

>> No.68412567

>>68408479
Enna roleplayers on /vt/ are a million times lower scum than Enna ever was, kys

>> No.68412631

>>68408594
/tsunx/ says hi.

>> No.68412644

>>68408055
She will almost certainly do big numbers here, maybe for a time after too. Once the pity train leaves though what’s really there to encourage more than her established regulars to stick around?

>> No.68412696

The stream is at 2am EU time midweek so probably 45k~

>> No.68412743

>>68408594
lol lmao

>> No.68412781

>>68412644
>pity train
This false narrative needs to stop. Pity and support only make up 10% of current interest at most. At least 80% is just people coming to gawk at the drama and pick up juicy details.

>> No.68412948

>>68412781
I’m lumping dramafags in with the pity train, point is there will be a large amount of people who are just there because of the circumstances around this.

>> No.68412967

>>68412644
She'll be fine, but might have to move to tw*tch since that's where most Western Indies are. Filian already invited her for a collab. That being said I refuse to use twitch so it'll be over unless she dual streams.

>> No.68413001

>>68408594
yugo and nina have wym anon

>> No.68413062

>>68413001
Nina is still corpo

>> No.68413095

>>68412948
Then that's a given yeah. I don't know her, never watched her streams, nothing about Niji talents appeals to me. I will be watching the first stream, maybe a few after that. Not to support her or anything silly like that.

From what I can tell she probably deserved to get fired, and I would have probably fired her too. Still gonna watch though.

>> No.68413118
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68413118

Vesper noir had about 8k between twitch and youtube and he was beneath selene
Mysta had like 30,000 or something

So selen will probably get like 20,000.

>> No.68413192

>>68413062
hmm, fair I suppose, but vshojo is really more of a clique and brand than an actual corpo imo.
They feel a lot more like whore clan(numi, yuzu, bao, trickiwi) but with a brand and unified merch distribution.

>> No.68413264

>>68412631
Was never a real corpo

>> No.68413368

>>68413118
I saw Randon stream the other day. He had like 50-100 viewers. Gotta wonder if it was worth it.

>> No.68413409

DOKI DOMINATION

>> No.68413475
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>>68413118
You're severely underestimating the power of drama buffs.

>> No.68413480

>>68413368
He splits his stream to YT and Twitch. Twitch usually has 400 odd, so i guess not much of a difference in the long run

>> No.68413509

>>68413368
He simulcasts on twitch and youtube, he's got 200-400 on youtube and 50-100 on twitch.
>worth it
Lando gets like 2400 on his youtube channel. Randon's channel sucks because he's a flaky retard with no set schedule. I would guess in another 2 years when the tech recession is over he'll go back to being a guy who turns things on and off again in the IT department at Megahard resigns himself to being a part-time vtuber who only streams to blow off steam after getting yelled at at work.

>> No.68413511

>>68408055
>way too high
Yes, yes you are, it'll peak at 25k probably. Somewhere in the 20-30k range undoubtedly.

>>68412567
>Enna roleplayers on /vt/ are a million times lower scum than Enna
It's one of the only funny memes of this whole shit show

>> No.68413537

>>68412567
Yeah sure Enna.

>> No.68413559

>>68413475
No, I'm simply estimating based on her relative position between other ex-corpo vtubers.

>> No.68413593

>>68409086
Doki take his advice for your second attempt

>> No.68413752

>>68412482
>>68412509
>>68413001
literally who?

>> No.68413768

>>68413480
Must have just been a bad stream then. Still not amazing or full time work level. I wonder what he does now to support himself.
>>68413509
Yeah but Lando was already continuing with his stuff while at Hololive.
>I would guess in another 2 years when the tech recession is over he'll go back to being a guy who turns things on and off again in the IT department at Megahard resigns himself to being a part-time vtuber who only streams to blow off steam after getting yelled at at work.
Interesting, so what is he doing now? Flipping burgers or living off savings and selling his spears on ebay?

>> No.68413799

>>68413559
Well, I think you're estimating wrong, because the ones you mentioned didn't have nearly as many eyes on them as Doki does right now.

>> No.68413834

>>68408055
whatever she get's tomorrow won't really matter, all the dramasisters will be there to get the latest tea
what's important is what numbers she'll get 3 months from now

>> No.68413991

>>68413834
Do we really think she'll not retain her fans? Most were watching her in spite of being with a black company. Niji isn't a brand in EN anymore. Their new gens have ccvs around the same as idol and less than Phase

>> No.68414091

>>68413991
yeah, she'll probably retain about the same numbers she had at nijisanji in the long run if she keeps doing the same content

>> No.68414111

>>68413991
Fans? no, lol

Serious question, what is her appeal supposed to be? Nijisanji has always hired unappealing and boring talents. It's their over-emphasis on just streaming video games in their audition process, disregarding everything else.

>> No.68414130

>>68408055
People will show up to see if she names names. She probably won't, at which point people will probably get pissed at her for it. Expect to see the catalog suddenly jump to Enna's side if Doki backs out.

>> No.68414164

>>68413991
You're severely underestimating the number of casuals that won't even notice she stops showing up on their youtube homepage. Probably 70% of her audience doesn't know this happened

>> No.68414177

>>68414130
Yes she will, RPR and Gummi are encouraging her to go scorch earth. Probably others we don't know about. Selen caves into pressure so fucking easily

>> No.68414220

>50k tune in
>I won't be naming names, I just want to move on
>Viewership plummets to 5k

>> No.68414252

>>68413475
Can confirm, just going to tune in for drama. Probably nothing going to happen though.

>> No.68414259

>>68414177
Sure hope Gummi and RPR want to pay the court costs too, because that's literally what most JP corpos wait for when shit like this happens

>> No.68414370

>>68414164
Plus they'll just move on to another Nijisanji streamer. Others that support indies already have indies they support and probably won't bother with a new one after the hype dies down.

>> No.68414417

You will see what is up if she gets invited to collabs with Hololive members within the first week or two or not.

>> No.68414710

>>68408055
She'll hit a big spike here (mainly because of the amount of people who are aware of what happened, and who want to see some juicy information), but these people will likely be gone in like a month.
I expect her to become like a low 4-view, which is unironically the best outcome for her since her community will be tighter.

>> No.68414950

>>68414177
See? The fact people are fully expecting her to do so will only further piss people off if she winds up not doing it.

>> No.68417405

>There's not even 50k NijiEN fans

20k is the safest bet.

>> No.68419300

>>68408479
Thank you Enna roleplayers for making her the face of bullying and bitchiness in NijiEN

>> No.68421188

>>68408594
Did you account for no longer only getting 2%?

>> No.68421301

>>68408055
Worried that Gura will do her membership Karaoke tomorrow. May have to watch vod instead.

>> No.68421453

>>68408055
>Thoughts
2am stream... yeah, best wishes to her and all, but not going to stay that fucking late to participate in breaking record

>> No.68421537

>>68408055
20k max

>> No.68421584

>>68408055
300K _newly_active_ subs, those are definitely not going to be dead for the moment. I predict 100K+ CCV on the return stream with a natural decline back to 4view once everything blows over.

Screenshot if you like

>> No.68421625

>>68413264
It was literally the first EN corpo

>> No.68421705

>>68412509
>>68412482
What's Yugo's new account?

>> No.68421735

>>68408479
Wish she was actually like this

>> No.68421740

>>68408055
I expect her to have Henya level numbers at least for a while

>> No.68421788
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68421788

>>68408594
>*maintains 1k+ ccv for the entire 12h bonanza bros stream in your path*

>> No.68421859

>>68413475
You're severely overestimate the EN box

>> No.68421886

>>68412948
And why shouldn't they be?

I think you underestimate the draw power of sympathy generated by someone who was so terribly wronged by a company that's wronged so many. Doki will be in all their feeds, likely forever.

Personally I wasn't a huge Selen fan. I thought she was alright, very funny in collabs, but watched only a handful of her solo streams. Now, Dokibird is my fucking kami-oshi, at least until Pomu comes back, but even then she'll still be in my feed, and likely getting views on the regular.

>> No.68421918

>>68408055
Can you guys stop with drama mongering already? Its getting old at this point.

>> No.68422319

>>68421788
I love this hag

>> No.68422636

>>68414259
She is a Canadian. As long as she documented everything and didn't make anything up she would most likely win this case.

>> No.68422841

>>68408055
100k CCV, drops to 20k when there's no drama or it's a nothing burger. Next stream is 10-20k CCV. 10th stream is 1k CCV. 20th stream is 200 viewers, they she will concurrent with twitch, billibilli, and kick for 150 viewers over all platforms on her 50th stream and graduation.

>> No.68422902

>>68422636
Same goes for anywhere. If someone was wrongfully terminated or faced abusive workplace treatment they will win their case. There will also be law firms that pick up the case pro bono if she can't pay but the case is strong.

>> No.68422916

>>68413192
>but vshojo is really more of a clique
They have contracts and a CEO, they are a Corpo.

>> No.68423019

>>68408055
Most people who will watch this streams are the same people who give the homos a 20k live views when they first debuted then nowhere to be seen after, sadly. Is lots of dramafags and nijijp schizos who don't want to "miss" what she'll say because they aren't good at peddling rrats so they need to take things out of contexts to rile up the ndf in Japan.

>> No.68423404

>>68408594
Unfounded Normalcy Bias. The industry is still young and it's the first time we see a case like this.

>> No.68423695

>>68422902
Yeah but I assume the guy I responded to implying that Anycolor could silent her with the classic corpo lawsuit intimidation tactic. I don't know about other places, but they ain't doing that in Canada, they are not that big

>> No.68424072

>>68408594
This isnt a normal situation, this has gotten millions of peoples attention, even from people that maybe never even had heard of Selen before, this has blown up to something insanely big, I dont know if Doki will be bigger than Selen in 2-3 months time but right now when everything is fresh Dokibird will be way bigger than Selen ever was

>>68408055
Unironically over 100k CCV on that stream

>> No.68424278

>>68421788
i mean 1k is great for an indie but wasn't she getting 5-15k during her niji peaks even during marathon streams

>> No.68424286

>>68423695
Can't do that anywhere with contract laws, friend. It has to be able to work together for international commerce, you see. Even black company is a phrase because companies like that lose court cases over this stuff in Japan. But verdicts remain to be seen.

>> No.68424355

>>68424072
I'm sure she'll see an enourmous spike on the front end, but I don't think they'll hang around once she gets into her normal stream. Once most people can't get their fix of spilled tea in 5-15 minutes, they'll go back to what they typically do.

I swear to God though, if some fucking company hasn't figured out to have her name drop their product in that first 10 minutes, marketing as a profession has failed.

>> No.68424360

>>68413559
Your estimates are WAY off. She gained over 250k subs in a DAY. she is over 300k now, she was at like 9k before she got terminated. If you don't think a decent percentage of those people are going to show up to see if she leaks the info about what happened you're nuts.

>> No.68424392

>>68424278
But her niji peak didn't have drama, and it only included niji fans. It'll drop off fast though because she's still niji to most niji antis, always will be. Then it will be however many niji fans choose to follow her and stay instead of support niji.

>> No.68424997

>>68408055
she will hit 200k, I know it

>> No.68425035

>>68421859
This goes beyond the vtuber EN box. Not like it needs to, to hit over 20k.
>>68424355
>if some fucking company hasn't figured out to have her name drop their product in that first 10 minutes, marketing as a profession has failed
Kek, that would be of incredibly poor taste.

>> No.68425084

>>68413752
>States an absolute trying to take that corpo cock
>doesn't even have a grasp on the most basic knowledge regarding said statement
That's the problem with dramaniggers, can't even be involved enough to do basic research, yet expect everyone to give the slightest of shits about their opinions.

>> No.68425631

>>68412567
Remember how Michael cat was the one posting about mafumafu on 4chan? Yeah, Enna is literally the same. She falseflags as herself to shit on Selen, while thinking that no one would actually suspect her

>> No.68425756

>>68408055
Imagine sabotaging your own career like this and only ever being that one drama bitch that got fired from a kuso corpo. I guess it could be worse. She could be that one nazi bitch or that one fart bitch.

>> No.68425802

>>68425756
Fuck off, Enna

>> No.68425826

>>68425631
Selen is posting too and has her whole mod groupies posting threads. Would be awfully convenient if they were all being well behaved after the stunts they already pulled, wouldn't it? Nah, they're definitely going all in and you would have to be an idiot to deny it.

>> No.68425880

>>68425802
Thanks for the (You). That kind of cope tells everyone that you believe I'm 100% right.

>> No.68425910

>>68424997
She already passed 300K.
https://www.youtube.com/@Dokibird

>> No.68426022
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>>68425880
Here another (you). Suck on that delusional faggot

>> No.68426039

>>68425756
How is her career dead when she now has a ton of companies DMing her for sponserships, likely including merch deals, which she'll recieve 100% of the money from, and not 2%(the percentages likely vary but it's still an incredibly massive difference between cut sizes).
She'll make more money as Doki than she did as Selen

>> No.68426100

>>68426022
You think I'm a successful vtuber, and I'm delusional? Cut your losses.

>> No.68426207

>>68426039
You make a very good point except it's all lies. The thing she is known for and will always be known for is going scorched earth and manipulating her fans. But that doesn't make good weekly content.

>> No.68426319

I'll be there tonight, my oshi isn't streaming.

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>>68426100
>You think I'm a successful vtuber
I'm not the other guy calling you Enma you fucking moron. Go back to X

>> No.68426618

>>68426410
>I'm not the one you replied to about literally replying
I've never used X unlike you.

>> No.68426965

>>68426207
Man imagine being this fucking retarded.

>> No.68427016

>>68426965
Good argument.

>> No.68427243

>>68426965
NTA but it's true. You can't keep making content about dishing dirt on Nijisanji and expect that it will bring in a new audience when you run out of material. Many vtubers in the past that tried to reveal new details of old drama never revived their numbers. At some point you need to be able to make good content from scratch.

>> No.68427251

>>68412644
>her established regulars to stick around?
That would already at least double the money she makes, simply by not having to pay for Riku's yacht. Probably more if the 2% shit is real.
Your doompost would still be a big win.

>> No.68427296

>>68413559
And your estimate is retarded because you are severely underestimating the power of drama buffs.

>> No.68427352

>>68425756
>Imagine sabotaging your own career like this
I agree, Niji cutting into their own flesh like that over some nonsense like that is beyond incompetence. Sure it's not gonna kill them, but it'll leave a nasty scar.

>> No.68427359

>>68408594
proffesor lando easily

>> No.68428023

>>68414111
She was quite literally the Ame of the Niji but actually streams. She was the event maker for the entirety of Niji EN to the point where it bled into the rest of Niji as well as being the biggest connection point between Hololive, Vshoujo as well as other large indies. The reason there is such a big backlash is because everyone knows her in the EN vtubing scene. She has enough connections that Niji doesn't matter anymore and can safely go indie. That's why I think that she won't go to Hololive.

>> No.68428094

>>68412542
but enough about NijiEN

>> No.68428109

>>68408594
Zaion has more twitch followers than she had Youtube subs. Dunno about CCV.

>> No.68428125

>>68414259
If she mentioned courts to Niji, it was through a lawyer. Japanese companies know nothing of Canadian law and that if you hire a Canadian you have to follow it.

>> No.68428199

>>68414417
She's already got the Filian one and Vshoujo ones she would have had before suspension. Filian already spoke of it on stream of how cool a collab with Doki would be and I think Zen on Twitter commented at the very least.

>> No.68428382

>>68428199
Yeah but nobody cares about them, or good luck being a slutchuuba I guess?

>> No.68428483

I've just discovered we've reached the point where clipper scum started scouring her archive to profit off the current controversy. Fucking dreck's started popping up in my recommends.

>> No.68428662

>>68421705
https://twitter.com/unnamednow00

>> No.68428931

>>68428662
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrIs26bEKOvA_lRnO2Hgscw
360K subscribers, holy shit, and he didn't even have renegade mods plugging his page.

Granted, I'm sure he didn't get that in two days, but that's outstanding for an indi.

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