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Unironically female Kuzuha, this child is going to be big.

>> No.6787037

Why? Just because she's good at apex? Westerns don't care about that game

>> No.6787045

>>6786981
/ourgirl/

>> No.6787088

>>6787037
>I don't care about that game
Fixed it for you. And besides, it was a fun stream even if you're not the biggest fan of the game.

>> No.6787109

>>6787088
No, westerners don't care about the game. This is a fact.

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>>6786981
>this child is going to be big

>> No.6787169

>>6786981
All the JOPs kneeling in chat was hilarious to see.

>> No.6787171

>>6786981
Just over 1,000 views for a stream? That is astronomically bad

>> No.6787225

>he thinks that japs are good at apex
oh nononono

>> No.6787242

>>6787037
High energy, non stop commentary and actually really good at the game, she has the whole package and is a girl. No matter how I see it, she is going to be big.

>> No.6787254

>>6786981
>female kuzuha
>EN kuzuha
>the next kuzuha
i don't care about her or whatever point you're making but no. and also leave him out of your posts.

>> No.6787259

>>6787171
Retardchama, I know you just want to numberfag so I won't tell you what the stream high was. Go look into it yourself. Hint: it was a bigger number.

>> No.6787265

>>6786981
>this child is going to be big
She certainly sounds like a fatty

>> No.6787308

>>6786981
NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS
KUZUHA IS NOTHING MORE THAN BIG NUMBERS MAN

>> No.6787311

>>6787171
Can you at least try

>> No.6787316

>>6787265
If only.

>> No.6787329

>>6786981
Kuzuha/Selen/Bora CR cup team = win

and that's with Bora/Selen carrying

>> No.6787338

>>6787308
Where is the numbers part of my post? I'm saying she is going to be popular and has a similar energy like him.

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6787344

>Retardchama, I know you just want to numberfag so I won't tell you what the stream high was. Go look into it yourself. Hint: it was a bigger number.

>> No.6787399

>>6787344
Hit a nerve.

>> No.6787404

>>6786981
Yeah, she’s definitely going to be the biggest star of her gen, and quite possibly the first

>> No.6787406

>>6787311
Are you blind? Its right in the picture the guy posted

>1395 views

>> No.6787410

>>6787329
just shill your oshi/s without putting him down retard

>> No.6787411

>>6787329
Replace Kuzuha with Kanae

>> No.6787451

>>6787406
Are u retarded? Go do your reps

>> No.6787468

>>6787109
>My opinion is a fact and everyone agrees with me !!!
You may want to kill yourself anon, it would be the right decision to make.

>> No.6787487

>>6787037
Anon....kuzuha isn't even the best Niji apex player....

>> No.6787515

>>6787451
I can't tell if you are fucking with me or not. Like I'm honestly confused by you. Are you seeing a different picture?

>> No.6787526

>>6787406
It got 5.5k at peak she's reason superchats

>> No.6787565

Kuzuha isn't even known for his Apex skills he's just an entertainer who happens to be obsessed with FPS. Also she is way too confident to be Kuzuha 2.

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6787571

Right she will be as big as gura one day, trust me

>> No.6787580

>>6787406
Are you retarded? Look closer, it’s out of frame. You can see the ‘3’ peeking out.

>> No.6787585

>>6787109
TSM is popular, if she can get 10k people watching her is more than good enough.

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>>6787515
There's a 3 that is cropped retardchama....

>> No.6787619

>>6787580
>no no no trust me its just out of frame
nijifag copers...

>> No.6787631

>>6787571
Nobody but you said anything about Gura, anon.

>> No.6787634

>>6787515
That's just the vod views (31k), idiot, the screenshot got cut, her stream is over already.

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>>no no no trust me its just out of frame
>nijifag copers...

>> No.6787668

>>6786981
How bad the NA ping would be if she entered a JP tourney?

>> No.6787674

>>6787619
The absolute state of Holofags...

>> No.6787677

>>6787037
It's not even her main game.

>> No.6787681

>nijifag happy that they got a good girl
>holofags come in drove to talk about their own talents and numbers
Go away.

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6787707

All of you are retarded

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>>6787242
I mean, why wasn't she big before?

>> No.6787744

>>6787668
I saw an anon talking that she doesn't live in NA.

>> No.6787767

>people giving serious replies to holobrony bait.

>> No.6787771

>>6787707
What are you trying to say? That drop-off is when she stopped playing and read superchats or something, obviously.

>> No.6787772

>>6787744
A lot of people are retarded

>> No.6787786

>>6787728
Brand helps.

>> No.6787791

>>6787767
don't holoEN and nijiEN have the same audience too

>> No.6787825

>>6787411
Nah, just go all woman team with Chihiro

>> No.6787842

>>6787771
People are saying she peaked at 1k or 30k and neither are true.

>> No.6787845

>>6787791
I don't watch anyone from hololive, I only started watching Nijisanji EN because I heard this girl was good at Apex, and well, she actually is.

>> No.6787890

>>6787772
Let me dream, she doesn't japanese, but she could play with the koreans if she had decent ping.

>> No.6787902

>>6787825
I guess thats true. Chihiro is even better than Chronoir anyway.
Chihiro>Kanae>Kuzuha

>> No.6787919

isn't she far better than every other niji?

>> No.6787942

>>6787842
She peaked at 5,5k live viewers or somethiing around that. OP's image is a screencap showing her video total viewers at the time (currently at 36k).
Everything else is just shitposting and bait.

>> No.6787952

>>6787902
>chihiro
>better than kanae
ogey

>> No.6787968

>>6787707
>5499 peak
those are really good numbers for nijien all things considered

>> No.6787985

>>6787919
wow maybe she should graduate and go pro then, she's too good to be playing with them right?

>> No.6787991

>>6787791
Yes, people here are shitposting both sides and arguing against themselves.

>> No.6788016

>>6787919
There are no predators in nijisanji, so it's a given she is better.

>> No.6788025

>Almost beat the NijiEN peak just by playing Apex once
Jesus. I know a lot of Apex people came over when they heard she used to be pred, so it probably won't last but...
Man, Pomu had to sing for 9 hours to get that much less than a month ago.
>>6787919
At Apex? She's better than most people in general. She used to be top 500 or something.

>> No.6788033

>>6787902
>>6787952
What's their rank anyway?

>> No.6788034

>>6787952
Isnt she? I’ve only watched a couple of Chronoir APEX games but I know they pull huge numbers especially Kuzuha. I’ve only watched female Apex players like Bora, Matsuri, Chii-chan, Nose and Miyako.
Idk i might be wrong tho

>> No.6788108

>>6788033
https://wikiwiki.jp/nijisanji/Apex%20Legendsまとめ
Basically every niji rank rn

>> No.6788117

>>6787657
Yeah he mad

>> No.6788119

>>6787919
She was top500 in USA and US servers have better players than JP so yes. Also Apex is not her main game.

>> No.6788136

>>6788034
she is for sure better than kuzuha but kanae is above her.
but nunbora mogs all 3 and selen is like the only pred in niji although maybe not for long if the leaks about a pred being in the new wave are true so maybe it doesn't even matter.

>> No.6788149

>>6788033
Chihiro Dia 4
Kanae Plat 3
Kuzuha Plat 4

>> No.6788193

>>6788136
Ahh I see. So basically the current niji apex rank is: Selen, Bora, Kanae, Chihiro and Kuzuha

>> No.6788194

>>6788033
Chihiro highest rank was D1. Kanae and Kuzuha D3. Bora is the highest ranked nijisanji member, being the only master there.

>> No.6788195

>>6788136
Are their playstyles just different? Because Chihiro is a higher rank than him. I don't fucking understand Apex so I'm not sure if rank is the end-all-be-all indicator for skill. And I wonder how many of these are solo grinds.

>> No.6788238

>>6787045
>a chink whore
>/ourgirl/

go back.

>> No.6788262

>>6788194
If you grind enough, you’ll end up with high rank, of course skills counts. Since Chihiro exclusively play Apex all the time. (Nowadays she’s playing minecraft because Ibu and her is building something.

>> No.6788278

>>6787791
tribalfags don't watch any streamers

>> No.6788299

>>6788238
She's from HK, they're fine. And she's Chinese-Canadian anyway, not just Chinese.

>> No.6788308

>>6788025
They just need to be more talented. As long as they continue the grind, they'll gonna make it eventually. Irys is already pulling off at least 10k and that's even without collabs.

>> No.6788325

>>6787985
Pro players make shit for money, being a content creator or streamer is almost always the better option

>> No.6788397

>>6788119
She got top 500 when the game was still really new. No way in hell would she be able to get that now. She is good bit not that good. Astel and Aqua are better.

>> No.6788402

>>6788194
>>6788195
rank can give you an idea but i wouldn't rely solely on rank because grinding also influences it. >>6788108 shows elu, shiishii and nagao kei are diamond as well and yet none of them ever come up when the most skilled apex players in niji are discussed.

>> No.6788420

>>6787242
I can already see the chinks spamming about how she is one of them and how good she is compare to everyone else.

>> No.6788464

>>6788195
>Are their playstyles just different?
Yes, a lot. Chihiro plays very passively and avoids fights at all costs, she prioritizes survival over kills. Kuzuha plays like a complete retard, rushing at everything, getting into fights alone and often dying because of it. Kanae is a mix of the two.

>> No.6788474

>>6786981
my buddy eric can do that

>> No.6788485

>>6788402
nagao was invited to reignite with bosna and astel so he's good but he just doesn't focus on apex. not sure why apex elf isn't talked about in those threads if that's true

>> No.6788554

>>6788402
Elu is decent, I watch her every now and then because she streams at a good time for me as a NAfag.

>> No.6788579

>>6787585
TSM plays apex casually?
What's their number?

>> No.6788605

>>6788485
>>6788554
sorry, i didn't mean to say that any of those 3 were bad. i shouldn't have namedropped, my point was just that you can't know how good someone is just from their rank.

>> No.6788626

>>6786981
>this child is going to be big.
biggest of niji en maybe
but she needs to show that she can reach predator again rather than casual matches. And thats where were she will break.

>> No.6788661

>>6788299
Pretty sure that doesn’t matter to the chinks, they might see her as one of them so they will use her as their flagship to spam everyone about how good she is.

>> No.6788732

>>6788626
She will not be able to reach pred.

>> No.6788737

>>6788464
>Kuzuha plays like a complete retard
this is my biggest problem with how he does things. he's shown some good plays, he obviously has skill and could do way better if he stopped that shit. it can make for funny clips but he sometimes disregards his own teammates and it's extremely frustrating.

>> No.6788749

>>6788579
All the apex streamers play pub every now and then.

>> No.6788796

>>6788732
>Reaching Pred in season 10
Get fucking real, she'll burn out like the rest of everyone who tries to do it solo.
She definitely can hit solo masters though, that I can see with some grinding and a bit of luck.

>> No.6788798

>>6788605
that is true, there could be some hidden apex monsters that we'll never see because they rightfully chose not to stream that kusoge

>> No.6788811

>>6786981
>Apex
disgusting

>> No.6788822

>>6788732
i want to see her try going for diamond solo (she has no one else to play) to see her break mentally.

>> No.6788826

>>6787171
>>6787406
Her peak was 5.9k.

>> No.6788845

>>6788626
EN is getting guys soon, no? If she teams up, ranking up to pred seems easy. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to do solo either.

>> No.6788891

>>6788845
>soon
is at least 2-3months away

>> No.6788931

>>6788737
Well, to be fair, people don't watch him because he is good at games. It does get frustrating though, I don't really watch his pov anymore during tournaments like this.

>> No.6788942

>>6788822
masters is the latest rank before pred.
But i wonder how she will deal with stream snipers before even reaching diamond.

>> No.6788980

>>6788931
he gets most of his views on apex, hences why everything else is 5k-10k less in live views.
He build himself that image.

>> No.6788984

>>6788822
Solo diamond is ridiculous easy, someone of her level can get there with no issues, unless people ghost her.

>> No.6788988

>>6788826
How can that be her peak if the overall stream VOD views is only 1395? That makes no sense.

>> No.6789029

>>6788931
for sure, i mean i'm still a regular watcher of his despite everything because i find his personality very entertaining and he still plays decent enough that it's watchable.
it just really sucks when his team doesn't do as good as they could have and it's because of avoidable behavior coming from him. a random stream on your own channel is one thing, but playing with other people especially during tournaments is another.

>> No.6789039

>>6788299
Did people just assume shes from hong kong because she speaks cantonese? because a huge chunk of the south of mainland china still speaks cantonese.

>> No.6789040

>>6788891
More like 4, there is still "wave 2" since Obsydia/Lazulight was "wave 1", just released staggered.

>> No.6789066

>>6786981
>Niji
Doesn't matter how hard you try, being a niji literally unironically makes you have 5 times less subs

>> No.6789070

>>6788980
>hences why everything else is 5k-10k less in live views.
Hell no, he got 80k during that among us collab, and 50-60k on his first resident evil village stream.

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>>6788988
OP cropped out the 3

>> No.6789116

>>6788891
Males are probably at least 5-6 months away, assuming they move to a "wave every 3 months" schedule like they did with the other overseas branches early on.
>>6789040
Obsydia is Wave 2, Pomu just said it felt like the same wave because they've been talking in discord together since auditions.

>> No.6789185

>>6786981
That's the new players queue, anyone above gold can pull that. Give it a few games for her MMR to settle in. When you start seeing lvl500s with crazy banners that mean she's in the normal queue again

>> No.6789208

>>6789070
we're getting more and more off topic but i wonder what his numbers would look like if he put more effort into his streams and/or tried to vary his content a little. kanae has good variety on his channel and fuwa minato is good at delivering shit his fans want to see him play, but neither are as popular as kuzuha.

>> No.6789260

>>6786981
Already playing fuckin apex huh. Dropped.

>> No.6789304

>>6789070
He's always going to get high views with horage because of his reactions, and who isn't going to watch Kuzuha play amogus with ecelebs. Those are special occasions, when he does long streams that start with Apex he loses viewers when he switches to Valorant/SFV
>>6789208
He's lazy as fuck and that's what his viewers expect of him, it would be hard for him to lose momentum at this point to give up the #1 spot. You wake up and expect a Kuzuha FPS stream the same way you wake up and expect the sun to rise.

>> No.6789319

>>6786981
Okay. I don't know anything about apex, but wasn't she using a Smurf account? She wasn't playing against players of her skull level. Does that affect your score or something?

>> No.6789329

>>6789260
t. never picked up watching her in the first place

>> No.6789331

>>6789066
More like being a Niji gives you 10x the subs of an indie, but Hololive gives you 100x. You can't take the biggest company as the baseline. You can't even take smaller companies as then baseline.

>> No.6789345

>>6788238
kys holonigger

>> No.6789380

>>6789185
She was playing against obvious smurfs there at times.

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>>6789260
Apex endurance 24 hours 7 days a week

>> No.6789451

>>6789304
well yeah the way things are right now i don't see another niji who could pass him, i guess i'm just wondering how big he can really get.
>You wake up and expect a Kuzuha FPS stream the same way you wake up and expect the sun to rise
kek, well said.

>> No.6789573

>>6789070
i mean other casual streams not collab or huge releases like Re8 or MH Rise
valroant, mc, tarkov,variety streams that kind.

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>>6786981
>going to be big.
she sounds perfect for me.

Selen marry me.

>> No.6789641

>>6789380
people smurffin in new players queue are not good.

>> No.6789679

>>6789573
he gets bored too easily but when he's interested in something he bleeds it dry. i'm shivering remembering that whole month he held us hostage with his valorant streams.

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>>6786981
Oh good God. Don't tell me the other big name Nijisanji players are going to drag Selen to their matches?

>> No.6789923

>>6786981
>Apex
dead on arrival
what a waste of a good design

>> No.6790107

Selen said explicitely that she wasn't going to stream ranked grinding since can't focus on all the shit going on AND play attention to chat.

Kinda the same as Botan, that has background on the pro sphere, and when asked about it said NO, since she got burned out.

>> No.6790198

>>6790107
What a waste. I hope she at least considers joining tournaments.

>> No.6790217

Ahhh you faggots are so fucking annoying and retarded what does this even mean

>> No.6790229

>>6786981
>Unironically female Kuzuha
she's leagues better than him at apex
hell he's not even as good as towa lol

>> No.6790267

>>6787677
What's her main game?

>> No.6790331

>>6789923
Watch 2 minutes of the stream. You'll change your mind. Her passion and charisma absolutely carries it

>> No.6790429

>>6790198

For a streamer, being entretaining is more important than sweaty cred anon.

And this is the board that constantly whines about VTubers streaming a lot of Apex.

>> No.6790457

>>6790229
>most subbed and watched chuuba in his company
>doesn't even need to be good at anything to achieve this
based kuzuchad

>> No.6790477

>>6790198
Can she with the US ping? She's expressed wanting to play with Chihiro

>> No.6790506

>>6790229
>hell he's not even as good as towa lol
Towa is fucking terrible from what I've seen her play with bora.

>> No.6790574

>>6790429
Playing ranked is fun to watch though, seeing someone's progression is always interesting. I personally don't care that much for pub.

>> No.6790576

>>6790506
she's shit bora and especially selly did all the work

>> No.6790594

>>6789039
She likes bubble waffles, which are a common dessert in Hong Kong and her roommate's talked about her parents being from HK

>> No.6790638

>>6790477
She'll have 200+ ping, but sure.

>> No.6790640

>>6790457
well yeah people like his personality too, but his skill at the game is overstated
I like how he killed matsuri by mistake in that one tourney

>>6790506
towa improved a lot to be honest, she's pretty watchable now, but bora and selly are obviously better so she relegates herself to a more supporting role which is fine

>> No.6790778

>>6790640
i like to think he's not autistic but he's just a genius businessman who's good at roleplaying being an idiot, so all his retarded moments and laziness are actually a calculated and curated act.

>> No.6790913

>>6790778
if you act autistic for too long you're bound to become actually autistic...

>> No.6790925

>>6790267
OW, I think.

>> No.6790939

>>6790778
he definitely plays an act sometimes, and admitted he likes to do stuff that makes his fans happy more and more
but shit like sitting infront of a building and rocking back and forth like a 10 year old while playing shadoba makes me think he's a bit touched in the head regardless

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>>6790913
alternate rrat: maybe someone's been writing him a script the whole time

>> No.6790995

>>6790778
I think some of it is curated but you can tell he’s definitely genuinely pretty low int when it comes to some things, also not very educated

>> No.6791029

>>6787728
Constantly killed previous lives

>> No.6791054

>Has to copy a male to be successful in Nijisanji.
That's pretty sad. Why not do something original and get people hooked on that?

>> No.6791129

>>6790982
At this point, Kanae grooming him is a better rrat, Rindou barely does anything anymore to strengthen this one

>> No.6791275

>>6790576
u didn’t watch bora pov didn’t u

>> No.6791304

>>6791129
>groomed by hag oni as an indie
>further groomed by older bestfriend after joining niji
why can't i be him

>> No.6791310

>>6790331
>Watch 2 minutes of a Niji stream
No

>> No.6791391

I like her energy and laughing fits. However, I'm worried that she might get flak if she fails to deliver once she moves to tournaments and such. Apexfags can be very nasty.

>> No.6791417

>>6790331
There are hundreds of vtubers with "passion and charisma", I have no reason to watch someone playing one of the worst game ever to watch over someone else

>> No.6791463

>>6791391
And she will since she is being hyped up so hard. I watched a bit of the stream and she isn't even close to Astel's level much less Aqua's. She isn't that great at the game.

>> No.6791498

>>6789039
look at her roommates twitter, her mom bought a 3080 while she was there.

>> No.6791778

>>6791463
>predator
>not the best against the girl who can't even get to master and the other guy who got his ass beat up when he played with a real pro
No offense, but go away holofag.

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>>6791310
>>6791417
Whatever floats your boat. You're missing out though

>> No.6792010

>>6791391
Nah, she is fine, the japanese apex community is ten times more autistic than the EN one. She only speaks english, so it's ok.

>> No.6792052

>>6791778
She got predator super early in the game's life cycle when it was astronomically easier to do so. No way in hell could she even sniff predator now.

>> No.6792055

Is it hard to even play Apex? Like compared to competitive CSGO is it harder or easier?

>> No.6792083

>>6791463
I think it's too soon to cast judgment like that. On paper she has a more impressive record with hitting pred twice in previous seasons.

>> No.6792094

>>6791970
I'm really not

>> No.6792173

>>6792052
She can with a team, I watched her now and her knowledge of the game is up to date too, Astel doesn't even know what is a head glitch.

>> No.6792724

>>6791778
you got the point anon. this girl is better than the holos and homos, only on paper tho.

>guy who got his ass beatup with a real pro
well, it means that selen just need to prove it by playing with the pros in tournament. is she gonna beat them up or get her ass beaten, we'll see. tournament is different than the regular lobbies that selen just played

>> No.6793236

>>6792724
No one is trying to compare her with holos, you're the one bringing up unrelated shit here because you can't shut up about hololive. Last (you), fuck off.

>> No.6793270

>>6792055
no it's a joke, the ranked system is arbitrary as fuck and very exploitable. You used to be able to Q with Bloodhound and get guaranteed points. Anyone with a pulse as long as they grind it out can make diamond

>> No.6793656

>>6788474
ERIC LOVE

>> No.6793682

>>6788661
meds

>> No.6793712

>>6793270
That's a shame. I was getting Vanquish vibes from it.

>> No.6793718

>>6788299
Based, I'm glad she's not from china

>> No.6793832

>>6793236
tf, can you even read anon? >>6791778 anon literally talking about aqua, you're the one who need to fuck off

>> No.6793851

>>6793236
Learn how to read a reply chain

>> No.6793913

>>6793832
>>6793851
You first, since it's a retard that brought up Aqua and Astel first, then got pissed when he got called out.

>> No.6793963

>Thinking that a chuba being good at a game makes her popular
Dude, Artia was like one of the best OW players in the world back when it was still a popular game, and yet nobody have a fuck about her.
Another chink being good a some shitty game is nothing special, this chink can't even beat the other chink in her gen in terms of popularity.

>> No.6794038

>>6793963
>Artia was like one of the best OW players in the world
lol

>> No.6794085

>>6794038
She was though one of the best supports

>> No.6794137

>nothing in the OP has anything to do with holos
>holofags still come here to talk about MY HOLOS
Don't you have a whole catalog for yourself?

>> No.6794237

>>6793913
please, i beg you, learn how to read a reply chain.

>a retard
anon was expressing his opinion, and so was i. nothing wrong with that. you're on the internet rn, keep that in mind

>> No.6794283

>>6794137
did you think the holobrony nickname was just an exaggeration? Just look at any indies chat and you'll see holobronies derailing the stream with their shitty reddit memes.

>> No.6794315

>>6794237
My opinion is that you should fuck off.

>> No.6794444

>>6794137
>Don't you have a whole catalog for yourself?
You faggots are the ones spamming shill threads though.

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>>6793963
>one of the best OW players in the world
You said that like it meant something.

>> No.6794543

>>6794444
It's not shilling to simply make threads about chuubas who aren't Hololive members, retard. You corporate Cover dickriders need a separate containment board, clearly /vt/ won't suffice.

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>>6794444
>anon makes a thread about a Nijisanji EN chuuba comparing her to a Nijisanji JP chuuba
>HOLO HOLO HOLO HOLO HOLO MY HOLO IS BETTER

>> No.6794586

>>6791463
I'm sorry but if you think Aqua is better than Selen you're fucking retarded. Aqua can't even participate in tournaments because all she does is spam Octane and run away so no one wants to play with her.
Astel is probably the best male vtuber that participates in tournaments, so there's at least an argument there where he might win with ping advantage in CR Cup, but Aqua would get demolished and cry like she did in Mario Kart.

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>>6793963
She got 5.9k peak viewers today. More than Matsuri and Towa usually do. If she collabs with the big shots at APEX on Niji she'll incline further.
>chink
She's from Hong Kong.

>> No.6794795

HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE

>> No.6794885

Just remember that hololive exists FUCK I'M SO ANGRY

>> No.6795099

>>6794444
Nigga a thread discussing a chuuba is not inherently a shill thread. People can talk about things you don't like without it being shilling.

>> No.6795570

>>6794315
you're funny, i like you anon!

no homo

>> No.6795915

>>6786981
Bora V2

>> No.6795961

>>6786981
another irrelevant random, like everyone at Nijicrap

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>>6795961
Seethe harder holobrony

>> No.6796332

>>6788149
Selen already beats them out as a double top 500 predator, kek

>> No.6797078

>>6786981
Kuzuha has more than APEX, the may be a buff to him but he has more than it to offer. This is just an enhanced EN ver of Chihiro and Bora.
>>6795915
She's better than Bora at APEX. Bora has KR skills on her side that makes her valuable to some CR members tho but that's only relevant to CR Cup.
>>6796231
She needs to learn some Japanese to get that APEX audience. If they can convince Bonni to take part in a tourney, Niji could have an international no-JP team with this chick, Bora and Bonni.

>> No.6798292

>>6791778
>the other guy who got his ass beat up when he played with a real pro
Really? Didn’t he helped his team win a tournament by beating a team in a 1vs 2/3 then beat a pro on a one on one?

>> No.6798596

>>6786981
>Female Kuzuha
That's a stretch, if anything she might outclass Pendora as the sub-branch front-runner but I REALLY doubt she's going to outclass him, Kuzuha is something unique at the end of the day, hard to replicate.

>> No.6798757

>>6797078
As if she could break into the JOP scene. Remember Hal? He struggles to consistently get into 20k live views without playing with Kuzuha. NijiApex turned out to be not as hype as it can be. Kuzuha is the only guy who could consistently get into 20k+ with Apex. Selen is just gonna be Bora or Chihiro V2 but with an EN audience. JOPs loves Apex while EN audience doesn't, so she'll need to suffer a lil bit while people watch her climb from a fresh account.

>> No.6798767

>>6794654
>She's from Hong Kong.
The important thing here is to know if she supports "you know who" but that's too off-topic for this board so I guess we should just watch and wait or don't give a fuck and support her anyways.
>But anon, the party i-
Watch and wait if you have doubt I guess, not much after that other than to move on to others if she isn't that charming to you.

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>>6798596
I think he meant skill-wise. She's obv not going to get as many viewers as Kuzuha ever, because that would require her to mog Gura as well in that aspect as well.

>> No.6799040

>>6788034
Chihiro is stronger than Chronoir IGL wise, gameplay wise she's isn't.

>> No.6799147

>>6798757
>watch her climb
She said she wouldn't stream that.

>> No.6799195

>>6788136
what leaks about a predator being in a new wave?

>> No.6799260

>>6799040
now this i agree with. the two of them may be more skilled but the last time KCK played together for CR cup, i thought her leadership and decision making really shone through.
kanae isn't stupid but he doesn't really have that sort of thing in him (cmiiw) and it's been established upthread that kuzuha can't be counted on for basically anything.

>> No.6799282

>>6799195
Leaks as in someone posted a literal who's Valorant and Apex streams (predator) from 5ch and said it was one of them.

>> No.6799383

>>6788136
isn't that selen? or do you mean someone from the new jp?

>> No.6799488

>>6798757
Bruh, just getting a few thousand is already good. Hal gets 10k+, higher than most other vtubers playing APEX. Bora without knowing Japanese would get a lot less viewers. Kuzuha can get 10k+ on normal solo streams and 20k+ on solo APEX.

Nobody should've expected Nijipex to be hype when they revealed the rules and that pros and non-Nijis were participating.

>Selen is just gonna be Bora or Chihiro V2 but with an EN audience.
Bruh, I said that in my post.

>>6798851
She'll be better skillwise but worse or as good as Kuzuha in tourneys due to lack of JP.
>>6799147
Why the fuck not? Normal game streams are boring as fuck if the player is good.

>> No.6799574

>>6789345
This is the hololive board

>> No.6799651

>>6794795
Yes this is the hololive board, I'm glad you noticed

>> No.6799659

>>6799488
I'm not sure but maybe it has something to do with Apex climbing being soul crushing and she'd rather stream fun things, she herself said she doesn't want to be marked as THE Apex chuuba and solely stream it, she's just good at it. Also that anon is a faggot for calling Hal getting above 10k "struggling" and is probably one of those from the numbers thread that thought Nijipex would be as big as Koushien

>> No.6799716

>>6799260
Kuzuha is fine if he can be led/ordered around by a pro/pred like with Gen or in some of the CRs. He's probably too close to Shibuya Hal to respect him tho.

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Imagine a Selen and Kuzuha collab and Kuzuha speaking in his funny English all the time: https://youtu.be/VrZsLp4_JNI

>> No.6799933

>>6799860
>nijisanji doesn't pander to filthy gaijin they said

>> No.6800104

>>6799659
You got it wrong. He/She is saying that even if you are an Apex pred, it won't guarantee you 20k+ views like Kuzuha. At most, she'll be at Chihiro or Bora's level in live views. Read the damn text, he's saying Hal is struggling to get 20k consistently.

>> No.6800105

>>6799260
I think IGL wise, Chihiro is the strongest in Nijisanji.
2nd Vsaikyou actually show it well.

>> No.6800158

>>6799933
He's doing it to talk to one of his teammates who is an Australian pro player. Meds.

>> No.6800193

>>6799933
Some do, some don't. But Kuzuha wasn't doing to pander anyway, he was doing it because of what >>6800158 said.

>> No.6800298

>>6799933
Kuzuha isn't pandering but who said Niji doesn't pander? They do Duolingo, EN only streams, chat to EOP messages, some know English as well. Have you seen how desperate Utako is, this is like the 3rd time she's introduced herself in English.

>> No.6800479

>>6799716
yeah, he's not actually bad at the game and things go very well when he gets his shit together and his teammates don't have to waste time babysitting him.

>> No.6800509

>>6786981
So she's probably joining the CR cup?

>> No.6800601

>>6800509
are you trolling? she speaks 0 japanese and has no connections whatsoever that could get her there.

>> No.6800934

>>6800601
Chill anon. I don't know how CR cup works. I'm just basing it on her skills.

>> No.6801003

>>6800601
I mean so does Eurice and some CR member like Zeder

>> No.6801072

>>6801003
Eurice is popular with the nips now because he played with Jun.

>> No.6801142

>>6801003
korean CR members are literally from crazyraccoon so of course they can easily be in CR cup

>> No.6801164

>>6800298
>who said Niji doesn't pander?
Every time nijisanji's performance in the west is brought up and compared to hololive the phrase "nijisanji doesn't pander to gaijin" is always brought up, and this invariably leads to some variation of "nijisanji is pure Japanese damashi" in an attempt to spin their poor performance as some kind of intentional decision by the BIG BRAINS that run anykara.

>> No.6801201

>>6801164
It's brought up by people who don't watch and base everything about Nijisanji on the 50 IPs that circlejerk on /jp/, so you'll take their word over people who are actually familiar with the group?

>> No.6801206

>>6793270
>>6793712
>>6792055
Pretty easy to tell people who don't play the game seriously at all, as they know nothing about it.

But if you want a serious comparison to CSGO? I played CSGO for years myself. Apex is not easy or hard by itself. What gives the game difficulty, is the other players. It's like playing chess online. Even CSGO vets will become complete beginners when starting apex, because they're up against more experienced players, and the movement system makes it a completely different genre than CSGO, Valorant or PUBG.

Regarding skill transfer, skills from games like CSGO don't translate well into Apex, because the time to kill is high, so camping or getting cheap shots as in CSGO offers less advantage. Each battle becomes a dance where you constantly re-position, climb and grapple (as in Selen's gameplay). And yet the movement in Apex is not so free and wild like in Quake or Titanfall either. The devs believe Quake / Titanfall movement would turn the game into a reflex shooter (while CSGO / Valorant is a positional shooter). Apex is somewhere in between. There is enough movement to negate positional advantage (camping), and yet enough restrictions that you can roughly tell where people are, and form long-term strategies, regrouping or flanking, based on that. So each encounter becomes a memorable story. A perfect example of a story is Selen's final battle with the Bangalore smurf in her 18-kill streak win, where they formed big-brain strategies against each other and re-positioned like half a dozen times before the Banglore slipped up. It doesn't always happen, but whenever it does, it's pure kino.

>> No.6801464

>>6801003
>Crazy Raccoon member - big part of why they're part of the CRAZY RACCOON CUP in the first place
>Euriece - an actual fucking pro so of course they'd want this guy in the tournament regardless of whether or not he speaks nip

>> No.6801520

>>6801164
Anyone who does this is retarded for making generalizations across a company with over 100 livers in Japan alone, and you're retarded too for believing them. The closest thing to a true statement there is "Nijisanji JP panders to EOPs less than Hololive JP."

>> No.6801644

>>6800509
>Does she have any connections at all to any vtuber or apex pro currently involved in the CR Cup scene (previous or current)?
>Are there any signs that Ojiji, the organizer of the CR Cup, has noticed her at all (such as by liking her tweets)?
If the answer to both questions is a big fat "NO" then good fucking luck trying to get Selen into the CR Cup. It'll take her ages to get into it especially with how exclusive CR Cup is in the first place.

>> No.6801751

>>6801206
is this some sort of pasta or something

>> No.6801761

>>6801164
The main reason they aren't as popular is because it's harder to clip them: https://youtu.be/OacjtccX044
Hololive got popular because of the huge influx of Chinese clippers early on.

>> No.6801765

>>6801206
is it worth installing an EA botnet?

>> No.6801867

>>6801644
but anon read this thread, she's better at apex than kuzuha channel and nun bora and shibuya hal and god and jesus and buddha put together

>> No.6802001

>>6800509
I'd rather see her in Hal's Vtuber tourney just to prove herself first.

>> No.6802041

>>6801765
You're already in the NSA backdoor botnet, anonchama.....

>> No.6802100

>>6786981
tfw no tomboy gf to banter and play high level ranked apex with

>> No.6802117

Is def not impossible for selen to play in cr cup if she manage to show off her skills. Though from what i see ojiji typically give the leader position to high rank like pred players. This might make it difficult for the leaders to scout another high level player in terms of point and team formation.

>> No.6802119

>>6802001
Hal's tourney is Japan (and former colonies) only.

>> No.6802135

>>6801644
Ojiji only picks the leaders, who then go on to pick their team members.
It only takes one of them to notice and invite her. She's making enough of a splash to be noticed, but even if someone wanted to invite her, there'd still be the issue of ping, so I doubt it's happening anytime soon.

>> No.6802172

From what i rmb shib hal custom event is open to overseas vt? Could be a stepping stone for selen

>> No.6802201

>>6787169
JOPs kneel because they play like geriatrics. When they see an actual good western movement based player that doesn't run in and suicide 9/10 games they think it's some sort of godlike being

>> No.6802257

>>6802135
Also with language barr

>> No.6802440

>>6802117
you guys are just getting ahead of yourselves. in the future? definitely possible. but she just debuted and no one who could bring her along to CR cup knows her yet. it's about connections more than it is about skill alone.

>> No.6802445

>>6801206
The fuck are you talking about I hit masters in my first season. It's not a hard game at all if youre good at games like csgo. The biggest downfall for high rank apex players is they're ADHD addled zoomzooms who make mistakes because they don't think faster than they move.

>> No.6802763

>>6802440
She is going to have to be really standing out to them aside from the skill to make any of the guys want to contact her and the fact that she doesn't know Japanese is already a big enough barrier.

>> No.6802903

>>6802763
Didn't she say she knows Korean? That way it's even more of a Bora situation.

>> No.6802937

>>6802903
do you actually believe she meant her korean is comparable to bora, a native korean speaker?

>> No.6802989

>>6802763
i was being mega optimistic. this implies she'll practice japanese properly and that she'll be able to somehow collab with her JP senpai enough to get close to them. for now she doesn't even seem like she wants to make apex her focus anyway.

>> No.6803005

>>6802117
I don't need to see tournies if it takes too much time away from her main job which is streaming. Nobody wins those things without practice. There is always an opportunity cost as a trade-off. She is in a good position, where she has the skills to entertain 99% of players without having to top the other 1%.

Instead of preparing for tournies, I'd prefer her to play casually while talking more about techniques, stories, or play games we rarely see being streamed such as RTS games.

>> No.6803136

>>6802903
No one chose Bora for CR because she knows Korean, she knows Japanese.
>>6802989
She said she'd get a tutor and won't fuck around with self learning/Duolingo so maybe one day. But even if she doesn't get into tourneys I think just playing with her JP senpai who are good at Apex would be enough.

>> No.6803143

>>6802937
It doesn't need to be that good.

>> No.6803190

>>6801765
You can get it on steam, and if you don't trust steam, well, you have no reason playing games in the first place

>> No.6803227

>>6803136
>No one chose Bora for CR because she knows Korean, she knows Japanese.
Fair.

>> No.6803495

>>6803227
And true. Since bora first cr cup was with a non cr member but with kinako and putit

>> No.6803584

>>6802257
That's both a negative and a positive. Players with communication difficulties cost -2 points, making her an option that's both strong and cheap.
Though, the team would probably have to have someone who speaks both Japanese and English/Korean.

>> No.6803669

>>6803584
Lol did Ars get that -2 mod

>> No.6803820

>>6794586
Hal and Gorilla are the best vtubers

>> No.6803925

>>6802135
We need an NA chuuba tourney

>> No.6803983

I watched her stream and she just smurfed. Hard pass, i'll stick to Astel. A Vtuber with SOVL

>> No.6804008

>>6803925
There aren't enough EN vtubers who are at the skill level to make a tourney

>> No.6804103

>>6803983
She can't use her main account for obvious reasons so she had to smurf

More Apex will let her play ranked and get out of pubs

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>People unironically shilling for a NijICN member

Jesas, I realized the second wave flopped, but this is just sad.

>> No.6804178

>>6803925
There aren't enough people invested in apex West of China to run a casual death match, nevermind a tourney

>> No.6804212

>>6804134
But she's not a member of VirtuaReal, take your meds.

>> No.6804232

>>6803925
There aren't enough NA chuubas who are good at the game or care to even fill 3 teams. Apex is dying in the west.

>> No.6804987

>>6804212
Dont expect Hololive only people to understand that a different language branch is called something else.

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>>6804134
She's not a mainlander. Her parents are from HK. Fuck off holobrony.

>> No.6805135

>>6786981
Kuzuha isnt even that good at apex. Please don't make yourself and this poor girl look like a fool to all of vt.

>> No.6805223

>>6805135
He's already been roasted for 100 posts in here

>> No.6805229

>>6788822
Anon, even Towa solos diamond..

>> No.6805262

>>6805135
It's not about how good he is, it's about his personality while he plays that makes him so popular
And this girl has all that personality and then some

>> No.6805295

>>6805135
Yeah, Kuzuha is a Diamond, but he plays with pro players all the time, so his rank doesn't mean much. Selen has reached predator before, but I doubt she can reach it again on-stream. She's playing on a smurf.

>> No.6805303

>>6786981
Shame about the ugly model

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>>6805303
Shit taste. It's perfect for an APEX gremlin and it fits her voice/personality. I couldn't see her as anything else.

>> No.6805410

>>6787791
Considering Ame's numbers didn't budge when she overlapping the debut. No, not for now, at least not for teamates.

>> No.6805419

>>6803983
>I watched her stream.
No you didn't.

>> No.6805485

>>6805303
And the ugly fat voice.

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>>6794654
These are Towa's peak numbers for her last 5 solo apex streams. She is a hardstuck dia 4 who has never ranked higher and one of hololives least popular members.
I am interested to see if selen apex collabs happen and who they will happen with though.

>> No.6805666

Stop watching Vtubers play Midpex for DA GAMER SKILLZ, you fucking faggots.

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>>6805666
She is good at apex so she is definitely going to be a popular as the worlds second most successful vtuber. Trust me anon.

>> No.6805818

purple dragon makes holobronies seethe so i like her already

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>>6805576
I was comparing the last ones. She used to get only 3k not too long ago.

>> No.6805957

>>6794654
>More than Matsuri and Towa usually do
Thats not that impressive considering viewership for Matsuri and Towa sink when its APEX compared to shit like singing or MC. In general, Holofans don't seem that interested in APEX so using them for comparison isn't great. Ayame always get views because her streams are rare and while Aqua gets good views for APEX, she can get better with other games. Choco has seen an incline tho but its for all her streams and not just APEX.

The others don't really play APEX that much. Nijis probably get the most views for APEX (tho its usually just KanaKuzuChi) among vtubers besides Shibuya Hal. But the anon is right, skill doesn't necessarily translate to views. Look at Kuzuha's numbers compared to Gorilla or Masters players or even Hal, he even gets higher than Bora and Kanae who are Nijis and better skilled.

>> No.6806100

>>6805887
During cr cup scrims there is like 60 povs up , plus god view. It's kinda not fair comparing it. Also one of those was a member stream that went public half way through. Also...M*les, thats not something nijis have to worry about though. I supposed you could tell me I'm moving goalposts. 5.9k is really good for a nijien btw don't get me wrong.

>> No.6806116

>>6805747
you couldn't teach him to change his thumbnails and titles?

>> No.6806121

>>6786981
She's going to be as big as much as Petra is going to overtake Gura. Apex is popular but is that all she's going to play? Unless she fully captures the attention of the Japanese market, the west will leave her behind after so many streams, good player or not. Kuzuha's also largely popular because of his model. This girl is just Elira's alternate costume with a giraffe neck mode. She ain't going anywhere except further down especially since they just announced the newest JP wave.

>> No.6806199

>>6805747
This is like that one Qupifag early on when she joined VSPO.
>>6805887
The team with Selly and Bora boosted her APEX numbers. Or maybe it was her new outfit since it was around that time as well.
>>6804232
>Apex is dying in the west
This. I was shocked it was so popular in Japan.
>>6803820
They're the only two preds unless you want to include Kamito or Amatsuki (tho Amatsuki stopped using an avatar and is now showing his hand). Don't even know if Kamito counts since he didn't get a new identity or anything.
>>6803005
>games we rarely see being streamed such as RTS games
There's a reason streamers don't play those games.
>>6802001
Will Hal change the way how points are counted for the third one? Because it was so shit for Masters and Preds in the second one. No way Gorilla/Qupi/Noah were carrying their teams to a win.
>>6801003
Dasoku specifically wanted Eurice. I was surprised he was allowed to join since I assumed CR Cup was off limits for active pros from other teams. Maybe he was allowed due to being NA and not APAC?

>> No.6806250

>>6787109
most japanese gamers dont care either. its just a vtuber thing. the game is irrelevant all over the world but it fits the industry as a party fps anyway. other fps games are a bit too grimdark for the casual and cheery atmosphere

>> No.6806271

>>6805666
This. People watch APEX for the banter. Thats one of the main reasons its views are better than Valorant where they die so fast.

>> No.6806287

>>6806100
Kuzuha always gets more viewers than usual during CR scrims. Why doesn't Towa?

>> No.6806336

>>6806250
>its just a vtuber thing
You're retarded. You've got tons of non-vtuber JP streamers who play APEX and get good views like StylishNoob, Shaka, etc. There are more APEX community tourneys outside of CR Cup and Shibuya Hal's vtuber cup and not all of them even have vtubers. I know this is the vtuber board but do some research and get some perspective.

>> No.6806384

>>6806287
Kuzuha always gets more viewers during APEX. Just look during that period when he was playing Valorant/League/Conqueror's Blade/etc. Towa always gets less viewers during APEX (Same for Matsuri). Look at her views for shit like MC.
>>6805957
>In general, Holofans don't seem that interested in APEX

>> No.6806428

>>6806121

> Apex is popular but is that all she's going to play?

No, besides obviously not wanting to burn out, no streamer with some brain cells between their ears is letting itself getting pidgen holed to a single game in 2021 unless they are in an actual pro team.

>> No.6806680

>>6806428
Chihiro was kinda like that, she played abit of other games like MC but my god, APEX everywhere everytime. Mondo LOVE!

>> No.6806689

>>6786981
Wow. That's impressive.
She's the only one I subbed to because she has HOMM3 on the game list.
Watching the vod right now. I'm liking her manical laugh.

>> No.6806705

>>6806287
Everyone flocks to the big names for cr, Towa isnt one of them.

>> No.6806750

>>6790925
It used to be OW but she switched to Apex. I haven't seen her around OW servers in years.

>> No.6807255

>>6806199
>There's a reason streamers don't play those games
Selen already said she wanted to play an RTS campaign on stream.
If that happens, simply watch as RTS bros jump to the first vtuber who fills the niche. They are all older people, too, so they have money to spare. I'm one of them ready to drop an akasupa.

Like Calli proved with her TTRPG campaign. When your content is unique and it's something you love, people will feel it, too.

>> No.6807362

>>6806336
that doesnt make any difference. its just a small gaming culture for streamers and their watchers. apex shit is one of the reasons that niji jp cant boost their popularity. they dont have a vtuber like korone who plays diverse games or pekora who mainly plays casual mainstream games, except for hayama who plays classic old school games like sirent hill series, og ff7, and can beat difficult games like sekiro, nioh 2. a simple fact is holo jp members playing DQ games get more viewers than famous jp vtubers playing apex shit.

>> No.6807452

>>6806750
how long has she been playing fps or ow for

>> No.6807558

>>6807255
I'm still waiting for a fighting game vtuber, and no, Nijisanji members playing Street Fighter V very poorly doesn't count. I want to see Daigo and Tokido become vtubers after they retire from competition, they are getting up there in age after all.

>> No.6808127
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6808127

>>6807362
>apex shit is one of the reasons
Not even an important reason. And many nijis don't even care about the game.

The most important reasons are:
- Language barrier: The global EN pandemic boom dwarfed everything JP vtubers like Fubuki had done previously. See the image below.
- Clippers: Millions fell into the rabbit hole via viral clips e.g. from Miko and Fubuki. This is arguably the most important reason as it is the first exposure for many into the rabbit hole.
- Azur Lane: Why did clippers prefer hololive? The answer was unironically the Chinese. The Azur Lane collab was the first breakout for hololive to overtake Nijisanji, and for the Chinese clippers to flock to hololive. They then translated hololive stuff to English, and shilled for them to the global audience. Long before Coco incident, of course.
- Minato Aqua: She was called the Nijisanji killer among fans. She popularized many methods and characteristics that made former Nijisanji fans start switching to hololive, and people like Fubuki and others adopted her streaming tactics as well. Aqua and Fubuki of course featured prominently in the Azur Lane collab as well.
- HoloEN: Related to the first reason. Gura said "a" to people stuck at home in a pandemic. Then she sang Ride in Time. And the rest is history.
- Unity: hololivers are fewer in quantity. But they are a family. They interact often in hologra videos and have strong uniformity, so most hololive fans can name at least half the family. Because management is stricter, they also stream regularly and interact with fans in a consistent way. Each holo's success adds to the rising tide that lifts the whole family. Even the worst holo girl gets like 300k subs. Nijisanjis are way bigger and looser. And one liver's success is less likely to lift the whole company.

Even if some random nijisanji had diversified his or her gaming choice, it would still have been useless against all the above. Personally, as a holo fan, I don't even care about Korone or Pekora's "diverse" gaming choices.

>> No.6808233

>Use cells to bring her shield back to 100%
>then use a phoenix
>Not an ccident because she does this several times
I'm triggered.

>> No.6808296

>>6808233
She did it right. You use cells first to guard against the possibility that people are pursuing you. Once you become comfrotable that no one is doing so, you can commit to a phoenix. The waste of resources or time means little against the possibility of being caught off-guard and killed. It's also personal preference.

In short, learn from what she does.

>> No.6808359

>>6808127
I see you also read that stupid post from note anon posted a few days ago

>> No.6808366

>>6808127
This is one of the best breakdowns to how Hololive was able to overtake Nijisanji that I have seen.

>> No.6808525

>>6808296
Hell no. The cells aren't important, it's the time lost. You slow heal only when you think you're safe because it makes you an easy target. She wasn't sliding or hiding in a great spot either, the cells only made it more likely for her to get killed.

>> No.6808959

>>6808525
Nah, read it again as I addressed it. But I can explain more: If you chart the time it takes for pursuers to become visible, it is very likely that they will do so under 10 seconds. After 10 seconds and you see no one pursuing you, the risk starts dropping precipitously and you can safely phoenix. Of course, in practice, you want to cut down on the waiting time as much as possible. So how long should you wait? That entirely depends on your experience, gaming sense, and intuition of what the enemies are doing.

The call was Selen's to make. Experience from her long career of playing. In fact, it is the height of stupidity to presume you know more than her about the mechanics and risks of the game. Such cautiousness may have saved her life many times more than once in predator lobbies where death comes in seconds. It doesn't mean she won't make unintentional mistakes that she will reflect upon later. But she will almost definitely not make intentional mistakes, when the intention is formed by her experience.

>> No.6809153

>>6808959
No, you're using a whole lot of words to justify a waste of time. If you're low, you find cover and heal asap. 25 shield isn't going to save you from anything but the shittiest of players.

Cells are for topping you off after peeking in a long range fight, or healing when you're safe. Nothing else.

>> No.6809237

>>6809153
>you're using a whole lot of words
Whenever people say this, it means they can't read and think. Then they default to the most simplistic and wrong solution.

It may not make sense to you now. But when you have more experience you will appreciate the tactic more. Anyhow, it is entirely Selen's call to make. If you don't want to understand her thinking and insist on your own way, it's your freedom. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you know more about it than her.

>> No.6809292

>>6809153
Ever realize that some people have different playstyles?

>> No.6809469

>>6786981
>had a good game
>this is now the metric for how good she is
nigga, i had plenty of retardedly good games back in my 1.6 days. doesn't mean i was even remotely something like a pro or semi-pro level back then

>> No.6809632

>>6809237
Not it's that I don't fall for bad reasons. 25 shield won't save your life against a proper opponent, that's a fact. You can make an argument about Battery vs Phoenix, but not cell. And she had batteries at the time.

>>6809292
This isn't a matter of playstyle though. This is a matter of higher survival rate.

>> No.6810078

>>6809632
>This isn't a matter of playstyle though. This is a matter of higher survival rate.
Just because you make a claim, doesn't mean it has to be true. That's all. Have a nice day and play the game your own way.

>> No.6811362

>>6808959
His point was pretty dumb, its perfectly valid to use a cell or two initially to avoid getting brushed by a spray and dying.
But the second part of your post is some of the dumbest and most pandering shit i have seen on this site. What you call "intentional mistakes" are what normal people call "bad habits", which is something that every player, including players far more skilled and experienced then she, have. Do you think she'll see this post or something? What the fuck is with your tone? She isn't a god at the game, she's just a good player, and assuming every move she makes is perfectly optimized and practiced is, to use your words,
"the height of stupidity". Get a grip, and watch better players.

>> No.6811743

>>6801206
"Like playing chess online", holy shit this pasta is cringe. Trying to gas up your shit game, huh?

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