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How could we have saved her?

>> No.67397471

>>67397456
you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved

>> No.67397492

>>67397456
She can not be saved

>> No.67397544

>>67397456
Only the strongest dick can save her and she doesn't have one around

>> No.67397545

>>67397456
by taking my dick more often. it's the only way

>> No.67397561
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67397561

>>67397456
She prefers living in eternal misery, no way she can be saved

>> No.67397592

>>67397456
Mandatory psychiatric treatment, meds, therapy, rape correction.

>> No.67397607
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>>67397456

>> No.67397963

>>67397471
fpbp

>> No.67398006

>>67397456
lots and lots of money?

>> No.67398113

It's hopeless...
Only the strongest, most powerful cock can save her...
Can (You) save her, anon?

>> No.67398156
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>>67397456

>> No.67398160

>>67397456
Lobotomy and/or pregnancy.

>> No.67398179
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67398179

>>67397471
F P B P
P P
B B
P P

>> No.67398308

>>67398156
>Nazuna left Vshojo because K-son wouldn’t fuck her anymore
Is a funny rrat

>> No.67398334

>>67397456
She already saved herself by leaving VShojo.
Considering you're posting Nazuna instead of Mikeneko, I assume you don't care about her actual situation and instead are mad about her not using the design you prefer, so an actual discussion about her real issues isn't on topic here.

>> No.67398370

>>67398308
Mikeneko was once noticeably upset on stream when a viewer told her that he was fine with her getting a girlfriend.

>> No.67398641

>>67398006
this basically. she gave up after her first twitch paycheck when she realized nazuna wasn't giving her rushia money.

>> No.67398738

>>67398641
I think you missed the entire nuance of that stream, which is odd because it was translated mostly in full.
It was that she had been promised a bunch of things that didn't pan out. Because she goes on to talk about how she's gullible and a bad judge of character afterwards.
On top of that, in September, she would have noticed how many (mostly overseas) fans had left her because she joined VShojo and after the totsu incident, which would have shocked her as she had been under the impression that VShojo would have helped her get closer to her overseas fans.

>> No.67398791

>>67398738
the only thing of substance that she said was that she wasn't making as much money as she wanted despite leaking her subs on stream which showed she was getting like $20k at least monthly.

>> No.67398869

>>67398738
>defending obviously greedy cunt
nekofami are a lost cause

>> No.67398924

>>67398791
I don't know why you're trying to rewrite history. Her general here completely turned on VShojo after that stream and the /vsj/ general had a sudden increase in Nazuna antis because they realised she was throwing shade at the company.
I think this detail got missed by the /vsj/ thread because none of you followed her sub accounts, but she Tweeted after that stream (the one in which she talked about being easily tricked/guillible/etc) and basically said, "I'll only trust my fans going forward".
That week, she did a public stream on her Mikeneko YouTube account for the first time in months. She complained about VShojo several times after that and a few of those complaints match up perfectly to that stream

>> No.67398960

>>67398924
she directly complained about money. whatever shit you're hung up on wasn't something she explicitly said.

>> No.67398990

>>67397456
>GFEtuber
Why would we have wanted to save her?
She deserved much worse than what she got.

>> No.67399023

>>67398990
>GFEtuber
>greedy af
>milking her fans
>loses all money on hosts and utaite twinks
>GFEtuber

>> No.67399070

>>67398960
That's because I'm not autistic and I know how to read between the lines. Besides, some of the points I made were said explicitly, just not on Nazuna streams.

>> No.67399094

>>67399023
Yes? That’s exactly what GFEtubers are like, Rushia was literally the highest earning archetypical GFEtuber ever.

>> No.67399113

>>67398924
Her general and the majority of her fans always hated VShojo. Even back when she was banished to /jp/, bringing up the signs that she was joining VShojo would get you shouted down. It's not really surprising she would leave a company her fans universally despised, though sadly most of those fans would end up abandoning her anyway for unrelated reasons.

>> No.67399141

>>67398960
The lines about money were more along the lines of that her cut wasn't as good as she had been promised, not that her fans weren't donating enough
This was right around the time that Twitch changed their rules and made it so that partners would only get the 50% cut going forward. So she was promised a higher rate, and then got told that she wasn't going to get it.

>> No.67399188

>>67399113
>a company her fans universally despised
That was the case /here/. The rest of her fanbase had no real opinions on it and were generally supportive.
Once she started complaining about VShojo, her JP fans turned on it. The Taiwanese fans tend to not know Japanese all that well, so most were still generally supportive even until she left.

>> No.67399212

>>67399141
The Twitch cut changes didn't go into effect until July 2023, a year after she joined and after she was essentially done with Nazuna. So it definitely wasn't that.

>> No.67399233

>>67398924
>Her general here completely turned on VShojo after that stream
What the fuck
They were completely turned on VShojo from the very beginning, the fuck you on about

>> No.67399282

>>67399070
>some of the points I made were said explicitly, just not on Nazuna streams.
right and i'm the guy rewriting history for relaying what nazuna said in that stream.
>>67399141
i assume this was from another unarchived paywalled twitcast because nazuna didn't say anything about that

>> No.67399330

>>67397456
By giving her 100k viewers for badly playing Elden Ring.
And yes that menhera literally threw a fit over this on stream.

>> No.67399337

lol why are her cuck fans still here trying to defend her? everyone knows she's extremely greedy
>she said so and so in a membership stream so she is not greedy
that's not how this works

>> No.67399491

>>67399212
She only became a partner when they were announced, so there's no reason to assume she was going to get a higher rate.

>> No.67399506

>>67398738
QRD on the totsu incident?

>> No.67399586

>>67399233
Nah, there were a few people trying to keep the dialogue more neutral and one or two left her over it, so they stopped posting
Originally, the idea was that people were happy that she was finally starting to do public gaming streams again because she had been harassed too many times as Mikeneko over it, so she had retreated into Twitcast. The totsu turned people against VShojo because people realised that the group that Kirsch belong to at the time was also managed by VShojo staff, so there was an assumption that there was something behind the scenes. However, her complaining about VShojo for a full stream basically stopped anyone from defending them. After that point, the only people defending them were either those out of the loop, or the /vsj/ crossposters.

>> No.67399678

>>67399282
>unarchived paywalled twitcast
No, it was in that stream. The nuance of her argument was that she had been promised a higher amount of money and it was obvious once you realised that the Twitch pattern changes had just been announced. That was the nuance of that entire stream: she had been made a bunch of promises that didn't actualize
Reading a few screenshots that were posted to the 'log at the time don't do the stream justice and tribalists will try to deflect from it.

>> No.67399689

It’s never too late to listen to Mama Mio’s advice

https://youtu.be/CPhH2pAqf10?si=3VJKjIgRcY7wEUBq

>> No.67399733

>>67399506
She called into a male's totsu

>> No.67399806
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>>67399586
>the group that Kirsch belong to at the time was also managed by VShojo staff
I have never heard this before

>> No.67399828

>>67399586
Now this is mental illness. You gaslighted yourself into believing Vshojo was the reason she was collabing with Kirschtorte, only for her to sever ties with Vshojo and keep collabing with him and getting even closer to him.

>> No.67399854

>>67399806
cause it's bullshit

>> No.67399883

>>67399806
It has been their main cope to try and claim that vshojo management tricked her into talking to a man on stream while conveniently ignoring all the other men she interacted with without any connection to vshojo including the two that lead to her getting fired.

>> No.67399924

>>67399678
>the Twitch pattern changes
Did not go into effect until July 2023, like I already said. They did not effect her income because she had already gone back to mikeneko by that point. I fully expect you to ignore this again because you love lying, but I'm going to leave a response anyway so anyone reading can see what a liar you are.

>> No.67399934

>>67399883
Nekofami are reaching the levels of cope that shouldn't be possible

>> No.67399946

>>67399806
>https://twitter.com/iwataiki
This person. Bio confirms she produces Blast Project
>https://twitter.com/iwataiki/status/1548184733690957824
Works for VShojoJP
>https://twitter.com/Kirschtort3/status/1742406822655639812
Kirsch left Blast Project early September of this year, but here he is replying to her on Twitter a few weeks ago
>>67399883
Nobody is saying "tricked". But there's no way she'd know some random 2view who just so happens to be managed by Iwataiki

>> No.67399969

>>67399586
>>27328063
>>27328437
i scrolled a quarter of the way through this thread and found two that aren't just troll posts, there's probably more

>> No.67399976

>>67399946
She knew several other random 2view male streamers without any connection to vshojo.
she never loved you.

>> No.67400007

>>67399924
You're missing my point. She was never on the higher rate. There's no reason to assume she was. But she would have been told that it exists because other VShojo girls were on it
Twitch would not have offered the higher rate after publicly posted about how it was going to go away.

>> No.67400016

>>67399924
I'm pretty sure that schizo cuck loves to anti Vshojo more than he loves Mikeneko at this point.

>> No.67400038

Why is it hard to accept the fact that your Oshi has loose legs?

>> No.67400059

>>67399946
that isn't vshojo staff that's a consultant that loutlot referred to a few times who was publicized for marketing purposes.

>> No.67400088

>>67399946
OK, so someone on VShojo JP staff worked for Blast Project

And that means... what, exactly?
That this staff member conspired with Kirsch to sabotage Mike or...
Like what the fuck is the accusation

>> No.67400097

I remember when she joined VShojo, one of the things the posters here talked about was that vsjfags weren't tribalfags, so they wouldn't treat her like the Holofags supposedly had.
Fastforward to today and they're either anti-ing her directly or just rewriting the narrative about her.

>> No.67400194

>>67400088
It's not too much of a stretch to hope that your personal project could leech off of another Vtuber, especially when Nazuna was pulling in 5k viewers around that time

>> No.67400204

>>67400097
It's more like the opposite, everyone /here/ hated Mike ever since Rushia got terminated, every thread about her was calling her a menhera whore and her fans cucks, and now they pretend to care about her so they can anti Vshojo.

>> No.67400231

>>67400097
They didn't anti Nazuna. /Vsj+/ just anti retarded keyfags.

>> No.67400233

>>67399976
Hiya Rushiaschizo
Can you name some male streamers she's currently in contact with, then?

>> No.67400244

>>67400007
Wrong, the lower rate did not even exist until July 2023. Show me one shred of evidence that new partners were on the lower rate before that.

>> No.67400309

>>67400007
>She was never on the higher rate. There's no reason to assume she was.
All VShojo members had a 70/30 split before Twitch made changes or added the Partner Plus tier.

Nyan even kept that split after leaving.

>>67400194
It's a pretty damn big stretch to assume that she was somehow deceived or coerced into joining that call when all parties involved were surely aware of what kind of audience she had and how that would pan out.

Just face it.
Your oshi is fucking retarded.
She did it because she's retarded.

>> No.67400311

>>67400244
?
The normal rate is 50%. That could be increased up to about 70% depending on the deal cut, which was offered to partners. That ability to increase up to 70% is no longer there, but people who were on it are allowed to stay on it.
Calling it a "lower rate" isn't necessarily accurate as it's just a standard rate. But I assume she wanted the 70% and didn't get it.

>> No.67400350

>>67400309
Kson always had 50/50 so that isn't true.

>> No.67400368

>>67397456
OP going through Anakin-Darth Vader arc....

>> No.67400417

>>67397456
Psychiatric hospital

>> No.67400457

>>67400350
One of the ways you negotiate up to the higher rate is through stuff like Twitch exclusivity. Obviously it's been entirely reworked now but Kson was never exclusive to Twitch

>> No.67400561

Lmao I love the fandeads, always some new narrative whenever they come out of the woodwork.

>> No.67400573

>>67398370
I said it jokingly but I doubt K-son would be dumb enough to fuck this basket case.

>> No.67400638

>>67400233
All of them.

>> No.67400781 [DELETED] 

Her fans have a massive victim complex and like to samefag pitypost about themselves.
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/64182125/#q64195631
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/64182125/#q64195842
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/64182125/#q64195891

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only she could save herself

>> No.67401053

>>67397456
who the fuck is that cyberpunk looking bitch who should've died but plot armored into surviving?

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She's so cute

>> No.67401501

>>67400781
>anticorns telling fans to kill themselves
Anticorn bros, our response?

>> No.67401600

>>67401501
That's not an anticorn, mikecuckold.

>> No.67401690

>>67401600
The first messages say, "Hey Corn, kill yourself"
And then a bunch of cuck posting.

>> No.67401850

vegetas feelings got hurt again lmao
she never loved you

>> No.67401851

>>67401690
siraoicho, also known as vegeta, is an infamous nekofami, in similar regard to arigathanks. Nothing they say should be trusted as both individuals are mentally broken.

>> No.67402007

There's no mike janny by the way

>> No.67402155

>>67401851
Whereas Rushiaschizo is the fountain of health and mental stability
Might as well accept Anticorns harass other fans

>> No.67402184
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>>67399806
For historical context: her unicorns had been doomposting about how Vshojo will force her to male collab, mainly with Connor or Nyanner's boyfriend, or she would be forced to go on Trash Taste or other /vt/ boogeyman shit. This went on for weeks nonstop. So when she finally did collab with a man they came up with this narrative as a means to say "hah I told you I was right about vshojo all along!" essentially. The dude just inviting her like he did the other 50 people in it is too unbelievable for those operating under schizo logic.

>> No.67402230

>>67402184
That's not the Totsu. A totsumachi is a call in stream.

>> No.67402250

>>67402155
Why did you post a screencap of your own tweet while pretending to be someone else?

>> No.67402291

>>67402184
>>67402230
>vshojofags once more proving they don't know basic JP streaming terms
And these are the guys trying to tell the catalog about Nazuna?

>> No.67402304

>>67402230
I am aware. The totsu happened after this. The tournament is how they met.

>> No.67402327

>>67397544
yeah, me

>> No.67402415

>>67402291
So desperate for a "gotcha" that you can't follow a simple conversation.

>> No.67402530

>>67402415
This is how they have always operated. Anything to deflect from the main topic being talked about.
If they can't find anything they will just say "w-well you don't like her and you're obsessed!"

>> No.67402554

>>67402415
How would this guy invite her when Nazuna's Twitter DMs are off?
It's also ignoring how shocked he was that she joined his totsu, pretty much confirming they weren't talking off stream

>> No.67403048

>>67402554
>How would this guy invite her
She most likely saw this on her timeline and DM'd him:
https://twitter.com/Kirschtort3/status/1555462128903258112
>It's also ignoring how shocked he was that she joined his totsu, pretty much confirming they weren't talking off stream
Irrelevant.

>> No.67403218

>>67402554
The current theory is that they were talking prior and that Kirsch posted >>67403048 after the fact to make it seem like a happy coincidence.

>> No.67403344

>>67400309
>Just face it.
Your oshi is fucking retarded.
She did it because she's retarded.
What is this rebuttal?

>> No.67403418

>>67399094
and she got exactly what she deserved: fired.

>> No.67403498

>>67399828
that's what most keyfags are like

>> No.67403613

>>67399113
Nah, I’m still subbed.

>> No.67403748

>>67399113
>most of those fans would end up abandoning her
She was so horribly mismanaged by VShojo that she signed her RM to a new agency and got much better results.

>> No.67404059

>>67403748
>mismanaged
I don't think that's fair to say. She has ambitions in voice acting, and Vshojo is a streamer org.

>> No.67404162

>>67397456
>create nazuna to attract foreign EN viewers.
>She realizes by watching /vt/ that her foreign viewers are the loud minority who always criticize her when she does something they don't like.
>Collaborates with men on her RM account (not nazuna) and that makes her fans here go completely maniacal, despised her and abandoned destroying her own dedicated thread.
>This is what made her realize that it's not worth pandering to foreign audiences.
>Not renewing her contract with vshojo and canning nazu conna.
>She concentrates on JP and it pays off.

Save her? The only thing the "faggots" here did "good" was to drop her and not before shitting on her for months.

>> No.67404173

>>67403748
Vshojo doesn't manage anyone.

>> No.67404176

>>67404059
This is cope. VShojo is a vtuber talent agency, and she lost the majority of her viewership under them.

>> No.67404228

>>67404162
They're still here trying to insist that she's totally on the same path as she was as Rushia and doesn't want male collabs.

>> No.67404266

>>67404173
>VShojo's mission is to help VTubers turn their passion into a profession through dedicated management, tech innovations, collaboration, and support.
https://www.vshojo.com/about

>> No.67404270

>>67404162
She didn't just lose EN fans. She lost a ton of JP fans too, including her most dedicated artist who drew fanart of her literally every day for over a year. And I don't even think that was a unicorn thing, she was vocally anticorn, she just got sick of mike's constant menhera and general cuntiness.

>> No.67404278

>>67404176
Fair, but I feel like she lost the majority of her viewers due to her own mistakes. You can only blame vshojo management for not stopping her.

>> No.67404313

>>67404176
>VShojo is a vtuber talent agency
Not a voice acting agency though.

>> No.67404389

>>67404059
She's a streamer 90% of the time and her voice acting stuff is just an extra on the side. She didn't leave VShojo just because of the VA stuff and the record deal, it was because they weren't doing anything for her. Keep in mind that "VA" agency has also
>made her a Minecraft server for her and her fans
>made her an official Discord
>helped arrange her online fanmeet

>> No.67404406

>>67404176
She lost the majority of her viewership because of mafumafu and her termination. It was a smooth descent from there on down to today, although the biggest blow was her (post-Vshojo) decision to do male collabs.

>> No.67404429

>>67404278
Then why has she seen such success on her RM? If she's the issue, both would be equally impacted.

>> No.67404482

>>67404429
The success on her RM is in signing dealings for non-streaming stuff like being in an anime.

>> No.67404538

>>67404162
This is the most misinformed post I've read in a while and I know that you don't watch Mikeneko or know Japanese
She joined that shitty tournament while fully manic because she wanted to wipe away her poor reputation in Japan, and it was a hilarious irony that she got kicked out
She would then spend the entirety of September complaining about fans, specifically her overseas fans, leaving. That month was so depressing that she actually had another exodus of fans (mainly JP) at the end of September because they were sick of her complaining about losing fans and losing money and losing gachikoi and losing all of the foreign fans who used to tell her how much they loved her
You missed that stream where she broke down for a while and started saying "it's over, it's already over" repeatedly while her fans had to talk her out of it. She's unironically apologised for the Tournament and mentioned how entangling with men was a mistake because of how much damage it's done to her career.

>> No.67404622

Bitch is crazy

>> No.67404646

>>67404482
They're talent agencies. Their whole purpose is to find collabs, gigs, and sponsors.

>> No.67404721

>>67404538
She then promptly shat on some of her more prominent paypigs. If you look at her donators recently, some of the bigger ones either cut back massively or are flat out gone.

>> No.67404722

>>67404389
i have been informed that she went full nuclear on vshojo specifically after they didn't help her arrange some va shit

>> No.67404742

>>67404538
Genuinely hilarious watching you guys seamlessly shift the narrative around from "she's doing better than ever now that she left vshitshow, black company" to "uhh actually she massively damaged her career and lost tons of money" depending on what's convenient at that time. Truly the most schizo fanbase in vtubing, you should start up /rumina/ again.

>> No.67404767

>>67404538
thanks for proving yet again she's a BPD and not just bipolar
>Verification not required.

>> No.67404768

>>67404270
Sakana (her biggest artist, from Taiwan) left for a bunch of reasons, including...
>afraid she'd stream on Bilibili
>more clout from drawing Hololive girls
>Mike doesn't collab
I think the writing was on the way when she started to oshi Regloss, specifically Kanade. Sakana loved Sankisei and Mike's inability to create a similar group of girls to collab with post-termination must have annoyed her. That's possibly one reason Sakana was vocally pro-male collabs.

>> No.67404828

>>67404767
Why are you in all of these bait threads. Just because your mother had BDP doesn't mean that every woman you dislike has it.

>> No.67404861

>>67404742
Anon, she lost viewers as Nazuna but she recovered significantly when she switched her focus to Mikeneko. It's not hard to understand.

>> No.67404927

>>67404768
She bitched about sakana in the past. If you look at her responses on twitter to artists it's primarily at sakana, so it's no wonder she gets so little fan art.

>> No.67404936

>>67404861
Where's the proof that she recovered? We know for a fact that most of her streams are botted.

>> No.67404970

>>67404742
VShojo was doing literally nothing for her. If it's a choice between Voice Ore and VShojo, Voice Ore have helped her out a lot more.
That doesn't change the fact she lost half of her fanbase due to the Kirsch collab and subsequent terrible September. Honestly, her earnings didn't drop that much but she was complaining about them, which would have annoyed fans.
We know she lost 2k YouTube memberships, 66% of her Twitcast memberships and 100 Fanbox members because she said it directly on stream. It's not that hard to follow this.

>> No.67404983

>>67404828
>muh bait threads
maybe you keyfags shouldn't break containment every other day and shit up all of /vt/? fuck off back to /rumina/ so I won't have to see this bitch again. why yes, it's filtered

>> No.67404999

>>67404861
Mike streams had more viewers before her redebut

>> No.67405009

>>67404828
Why are YOU in all of these bait threads?

>> No.67405033

>>67404861
She did not. All her streams are botted. Once the bots were removed, her debut stream with the yasuyuki model got the same CCV as her Nazuna outfit reveal. There was never any recovery, just a steady downward trajectory from termination to today. If anything, it was Nazuna's debut that was the only time in this process she gained viewership again.

>> No.67405103

>>67404936
Superchat donos from old Rushia regulars who had dropped her, but who came back from the Yasu model.
By the end of her career, Nazuna was only hitting 2k viewers max. During that period of time between new model debut and the Tournament, her average on Mikeneko was about 3k or so, but that average dropped a lot after the male collab to probably lower than Nazuna.
Mikeneko gets a lot more donations that Nazuna did, though.

>> No.67405106

>>67404936
>>67405033
>We know for a fact that most of her streams are botted.
>All her streams are botted.
Anons, this conclusion would require a copious amount of analysis that I have yet to see.

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>>67405106
You're actually just playing dumb and know exactly what I'm talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if you're the fag who bots all her streams.

>> No.67405204

>>67405106
NTA, most of her post Apex Matsuri streams are botted. The regular gaming streams before that, but after the new model debut probably weren't, though.

>> No.67405228

>>67405177
Ah, the numbers that aren't even accessible. Wonderful.

>> No.67405328

>>67405106
I'm not going to waste my time digging through the archives to post the same graphs you've already seen a dozen times. You will deny them no matter what anyways like a good little cuck you are.

>>67405228
The numbers are right there, retard. Just because she tried to erase the evidence of botting by removing herself from the site doesn't change the fact that she's getting botted.

>> No.67405425

>>67405328
You want me to assume this graph is accurate, when the site hosting it has already taken it down?

>> No.67405450

>>67405328
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but are there any graphs of just her regular gaming streams after the new model debut, but before the Apex Matsuri?
If anything, the current theory is that they started to bot every single stream (not just special events) to try to hide the damage that the Kirsch collab did to her fanbase.

>> No.67405458

>>67405103
>Mikeneko gets a lot more donations that Nazuna did, though.
That's weird, because at the beginning of the thread the narrative was >>67399141
>her cut wasn't as good as she had been promised, not that her fans weren't donating enough
You schizos literally cannot stop pivoting on a dime to new, contradictory narratives. It's actually impressive how insane you are.

>> No.67405558

>>67405458
>It's actually impressive how insane you are.
fanbase reflects streamer moment

>> No.67405569

>>67405425
Are you unironically trying to argue that it was taken down because it's not accurate? That's not how it works.

>>67405450
She was getting botted before that. Again, not going to bother digging through the archives for something that will just get denied.

>> No.67405581

>>67405458
Anon, VShojo making her promises prior to her joining obviously aren't contingent on how much her fans donate.

>> No.67405602

>>67405458
You can't read.
>donations
That stream complaining about the revenue percentage was September 2022. By donations, I'm talking about how by May 2023, Nazuna's streams didn't get a lot of donations. This wasn't an issue at that point and she didn't complain about money at all around that time. I imagine one reason is that her Mikeneko streams were still getting donations

>> No.67405687

>>67405569
My only point really is that there's no reason to assume her Mikeneko stream average wasn't 2.5k-3k at that time. Her post Apex Matsuri average without bots is 1.5k-2k.

>> No.67405704

>>67405569
>Are you unironically trying to argue that it was taken down because it's not accurate? That's not how it works.
I'm arguing that its accuracy is in dispute and there is no way to verify. It was obviously retracted for some reason.

>> No.67405763

>>67405704
Not the guy you're arguing with. The website is vstats. You can check any other Vtubers on it to confirm
Mikeneko specifically isn't on it: the current theory is that she got sick of 5ch antis posting the graphs every thread, so she requested that she be taken off.

>> No.67405820

>>67405687
Well I'm not assuming that. It was even higher than that when she first started getting botted before the new model.

>>67405704
How is the accuracy in dispute? The site tracks numbers correctly. That's not in dispute

>> No.67405850

>>67405763
Is there a statement that confirms that to be the reason it was retracted? Or any conclusive evidence in favor of that theory?

>> No.67405955

>>67400796
nice meme

>> No.67405989

>>67405850
5ch peeps post from other website now but don't mention the name, probably cause Michael visits there frequently.

>> No.67406008

>>67405820
>How is the accuracy in dispute? The site tracks numbers correctly. That's not in dispute
Accuracy is always in dispute when arguing that the observed measurements are due to external interference. Especially when they've been retracted.

>> No.67406044

>>67405850
She reads 5ch every day and they used to post the graphs and links every stream
Some guy managed to start posting his own graphs after it was taken down.
She hasn't even acknowledged it, but it's her own profile specifically that can't be accessed anymore on that site, while others are unaffected. 5ch seems to agree it was her request.

>> No.67406077

>>67406008
Yeah I'm sure she was legitimately getting 16k viewers and the damn antis manipulated the site admins into faking her graphs.

>> No.67406147

>>67397456
I would give anything to have sex with her. Having an unhealthy relationship is fine by me.

>> No.67406244

I miss her general.

>> No.67406290

I love watching the discord having a breakdown over nothing!

>> No.67406327

>>67406077
Anon, there's no reason to stipulate about the behavior of a graph when there's no way to verify any of the values it reports.

>> No.67406407

>>67406327
You can verify it by checking any other chart on the site, retard.

>> No.67406422

>>67406244
I don't miss it anymore and this thread is a good indication way. There was literally more stream discussion in /vsj/ than her thread ever had, the only reason to post there was because you wanted to interact with mental patients.

>> No.67406437

>>67404538
As usual I won't read you exmikefagtexwallyoudon'tknowJapanese-kun because I know you shit on it when the whole shitfest happened and then you changed it to FWMC and you're already shitting on that fanbase with your faggishness.
Faggots without a backbone don't deserve attention

>> No.67406484

>>67406422
I just like seeing cute images of her getting posted throughout the day.

>> No.67406507

>>67406437
>ex
This is where you're mistaken. He's very clearly still with her.

>> No.67406532

>>67406407
You mean the ones that weren't retracted?

>> No.67406582

>>67406422
Even back in the Rushia days, people didn't post in her general
They were posting in her chat. General was just a way for people to catch up on info. I've never understood the /vsj/ mentality of posting every little thing about a stream in a thread.
If you're enjoying the stream, tell her directly.
>>67406437
I'm still a Nekofami and I don't watch other women. That doesn't mean I'm not going to pretend that the Apex Matsuri wasn't the greatest mistake she made since February 2022

>> No.67406648

>>67406532
So you are unironically arguing that it was retracted because it's inaccurate then? You refused to say yes last time I asked this.
The graph is accurate.

>> No.67406835

>>67406648
Then prove that the graph is accurate.

>> No.67406894

>>67406835
All the other graphs for all other streams are accurate.

>> No.67406999

>>67406894
Okay, prove that corollary. It's still an extrapolation to say that the redacted ones are also accurate, but we can put that on hold.

>> No.67406998

>>67406582
>I've never understood the /vsj/ mentality of posting every little thing about a stream in a thread.
>/vsj/ mentality
Nigga, almost every general is mostly people discussing streams. It's not something specific to /vsj/. It was really only /rumina/ that became Thunderdome for schizos instead of actually discussing content.

>> No.67407074

>>67406998
None of the JP Holo threads are that active, bar a few comments here and there.

>> No.67407153

>>67407074
Sadly...

>> No.67407162

>>67406999
https://www.vstats.jp/video/U1jY3oPbhpA
https://vrabi.net/video/U1jY3oPbhpA
Are you now going to claim that both of these sites are inaccurate?

>> No.67407430

>>67407162
The behavior midstream is obviously unnatural. Is that also botting? Is everyone being botted?

>> No.67407492

>>67407430
Why are you deflecting immediately? Mikeneko bots her streams and got herself removed from all sites that can track that.

>> No.67407584

>>67407492
Deflecting? You asked if it looked accurate and I said it looks unnatural. Unless there's some external explanation for that behavior, it would have to be a problem with how it's measured.

>> No.67407695

>>67407584
I don't know or care what's happening on that chart, but you can see that both of these websites tracked it correctly. Therefore all the mikeneko charts are also correct and the pattern seen on her streams are known to be bots.
If you want to fling shit at hololive for botting there's a separate place to do it at.

>> No.67407818

>>67407695
>I don't know or care what's happening on that chart, but you can see that both of these websites tracked it correctly.
Incorrect. Both websites show the same graph, which appears to have some very significant unexplained issues. The two being the same doesn't mean that either are accurate.

>> No.67407825

>>67397456
You SHOULD stick your dick in crazy. I bet she would be a great fuck.

>> No.67407896

>>67407825
Probably a pillow princess that lays there and waits for you to do all the work

>> No.67407908

>>67407492
>Mikeneko bots her streams
Her streams are getting botted but I doubt it's her doing it. That's a leap
Her fans are notorious for having money to spare. Her JP fans will want to "hide the damage" and her Taiwanese fans despise Unicorns
Far more likely it's one of them botting her. I'd say if she was botting, she would have botted her new song debut, which was 100% unbotted, because of her Pony Canyon contract.

>> No.67408003

>>67407818
It's not the same thing as on the Mikeneko charts which are known to be bots.
Why are you dragging this out? Mikeneko botted her streams and everyone knows it.

>> No.67408048

>>67407908
I honestly don't care. I'm just saying whatever this guy wants to hear the least because he's so adamantly denying the existence of the bots.

>> No.67408065

>>67407896
I don't agree.

>> No.67408099

>>67408048
Yeah, don't do that. Even if that guy's a fag, don't spread rrats out of spite

>> No.67408141

>>67408099
I will continue doing it. The fact that she removed herself from the site is even more the reason to assume that she is the one behind it.

>> No.67408145

Just FYI for the guy denying she gets botted, one of the reasons I refuse to bake a general for her is that a lot of her remaining fans are stupid and I'd worry they'd end up defending her "badly"
The general is honestly better off staying down.

>> No.67408146

>>67408003
>It's not the same thing as on the Mikeneko charts which are known to be bots.
You're assuming that the artifact here is entirely unrelated, which there isn't a way to confirm.
>Why are you dragging this out? Mikeneko botted her streams and everyone knows it
I just want definitive proof to this claim, but apparently it relies on a bunch of assumptions.

>> No.67408157

It's kinda funny seeing how crazy attracts crazy, but also disheartening knowing that it's also impossible to ever get crazy to see that it's crazy and maybe simmer down a bit.

>> No.67408198

>>67408146
It is entirely unrelated because it's clearly not the same thing.

>> No.67408207

>>67407908
My theory is that its antis botting instead of fans because the graphs are the shittiest most obvious bots with the most blatant flaws. When other streams have sussy bots you get the bart simpson haircut and maybe an unusually sharp 5k incline at one part of stream where the rest of the incline is a smoother slope. With rushia streams you get the most blatant things like perfect sinewave graphs for view fluctuations, cliffs of exactly 10k viewer gains/drops all in the same minute, sometimes multiple times a stream with all of the bot views dropping at the same time and then all coming back 10 minutes later, and so on. They are botting to make it look botted so they can talk about it being botted.

>> No.67408227

>>67408141
That just makes you an anti.
As someone who reads her anti thread so that I know what she's reading, I'm not surprised she got herself taken off. There's only so much "4k dorryyaaaaaaa", "hey, this Holo is playing Apex with much higher viewers", "hey, this male collaber is doing better than you, hint hint" you can take before wanting to take action against them.

>> No.67408271

>>67408227
I'm only anti towards her fans who are the most obnoxious people on this board. They could just not come here but they keep doing it.

>> No.67408301

>>67408198
Again with the assumptions. Why does this entire conclusion hinge on these baseless assumptions?

>> No.67408361

>>67408271
Wait, you're Rushiaschizo, aren't you?
No, you don't just anti her fans
>They could just not come here but they keep doing it.
Literal autism. Just close the thread if you're going to sperg out

>> No.67408370

>>67408145
I'm shocked there are any genuine fans left. I just think her models are hot and when she shows her body it's also hot. Her general was just a way for myself to get hot and bothered.

>> No.67408392

>>67408301
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. How do you look at this >>67405177 and the graphs I posted and conclude that actually they're the same thing?

>> No.67408457

>>67397456
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

>> No.67408478

>>67408361
I will not close the thread because I know my presence makes you seethe endlessly. Nobody will believe your damage control narratives.

>> No.67408527

>>67408271
It's just nuts how there can been zero mikeneko discussion for weeks and the second one of these threads get posted they all come out of the woodwork to peddle their schizo rrats about how it was Vshojo/kson/the Mexican Mafia who forced her to collab with Kirsch. What the fuck are they doing camped out here 24/7? I wouldn't be surprised if they're responsible for a highly disproportionate amount of the shitposts in the catalog and other generals.

>> No.67408563

>>67408478
You should waste hours of your life arguing with people online to own the Nekofami. That doesn't seem like a colossal waste of time at all.

>> No.67408635

>>67408527
Why are VShojofags in all of these threads pretending that her leaving VShojo was a mistake rather than the logical conclusion one would draw from her circumstances?
Going through this one, you have the usual Rushiaschizo guy who stalks her fans and despises her and a bunch of VShojofags with about 20% info trying to argue.

>> No.67408671

>>67408392
Nobody said they're the same thing. It's very possible that they're related, which is the issue since there hasn't been any explanation of its cause.

>> No.67408694

>>67408563
It takes me a minute to write a reply that makes you feel bad about all those thousands of dollars you sent to her and I can write these replies while I'm doing something else.
You on the other hand seem to be fully invested in these threads since you always assume that everyone else is that way.

>> No.67408754

>>67408671
>It's very possible that they're related
They're not related because everyone except your dense retard ass knows what the cheap bot pattern looks like.

>> No.67408844

>>67408694
Feel bad? If I was going to let a child molester on 4chan dictate my opinion on people, I'd be a disgrace to the human race like you.
The only thing that annoys me is you treating your word as gospel, Rushiaschizo. You're not intelligent or well informed enough for that. It's unfair to the other /vt/ users that you're subjecting them to your written diarrhea constantly.

>> No.67408885

>>67408635
>pretending that her leaving VShojo was a mistake rather than the logical conclusion
1) No one ever said that, you made it up. Typical mikefag.
2) Mikefags use her departure to anti Vshojo (something they've been doing ever since she joined) and show up in random threads that have nothing to do with her. Of course we're going to hate our dedicated antis.

>> No.67408964 [DELETED] 

>>67408844
She never loved you. She has been meeting up with dudes she wants to date since 2020 while telling you that she loves you just because you gave her money.

>> No.67408965

>>67408635
>pretending that her leaving VShojo was a mistake rather than the logical conclusion one would draw from her circumstances?
Why cant it be both? Her leaving vshojo was a foregone conclusion after about half a year when it became clear she wanted nothing to do with anything in the company except having access to kson, but also her doing that was a mistake. She does best in collabs and she never tried. Half of the company speak japanese well enough to live and work there for extended periods of time even if they never speak it on stream. But then again she didnt try to collab with anyone in jp either so what can you do.

>> No.67409115

>>67408754
If you eyeballing it is your concept of intellectual rigor, I'm not interested. I asked to see any form of definitive proof and you've given nothing but baseless assumptions and circular reasoning.

>> No.67409193

>>67409115
>you've given nothing but baseless assumptions and circular reasoning.
But that's what you've been doing the entire time.

>> No.67409200

>>67408885
I'll never understand tribalfags.
Honestly, I think it's a fine group on the EN side and the Niji people who keep flocking to it are better off than sticking with Niji. But I don't particularly like how all of her Nazuna "fans" there dropped her as soon as she moved over to Mike
They did objectively drop the ball with Nazuna. Even just with sponsorships, Mike is doing a lot better than Nazuna. It makes me question what was the point of that one and a half years with VShojo when she seems to be making far more progress without them.
Also this whole shitshow started because someone misrepresented what she said on stream and wrote a rrat about it. I know most /vsj/fags don't know a lick of Japanese so you might not get everything, but don't go around spreading biased narratives to make her look bad because she left

>> No.67409342

>>67408965
>She does best in collabs and she never tried.
Do you mean Nazuna? That's an odd thing to say.
Her collabs are her lowest viewed streams and she's awkward around people she doesn't really know. What she needed/still needs is an actual box of JP girls she can be friends with both on and off stream and not just a list of potential collab partners to hop in with.
Also I really doubt the VShojo girls actually knew enough JP. Nyanners, maybe? Apparently Hime? But it's much much harder to be entertaining in a foreign language and that's the crux of streaming, which is the issue.

>> No.67409465

>>67409342
Nyanners, froot, silver, hime, and borderline mel all speak japanese.

>> No.67409570

>>67409465
Are you claiming that they're all fluent enough to collab? That's wild.

>> No.67409657

>>67409465
>froot, silver,
I watched them collab with Nazuna, they 100% do not
Not even as an insult, but Nazuna talked about how Silver would use Deepl to send her messages. I think you're really really overestimating the levels of Japanese they knew
I'd say Nyanners could understand her, but even Nyanners said she wasn't good at actually communicating.
Giri's level is pretty much the bare minimum you'd need and even I noticed that Giri didn't know some pretty common words like 不便.

>> No.67409722

>>67409342
If only there was a VShojo member that spoke Japanese as their first language, and joined the company 6 months before Nazuna left. If only

>> No.67409768

>>67409722
She already mentally checked out then. This is been beaten to death.

>> No.67410067

>>67409768
It might have been if that was the line she went with, rather than trying to pull an uno reverso on Henya and claiming that SHE was the one ghosting, reigniting the drama and prompting a flood of new shitposting, all in an apparent effort to appease her /here/ schizos.
Do you see why some people might be annoyed by her behavior regardless of the question of whether VShojo is the right org for her?

>> No.67410126

>>67408964
damn this one really got them seething

>> No.67410420

>>67410067
Anyone who understood Japanese understood it, though?
Mikeneko (specifically Mikeneko) invited Henya to a collab in August and got no response
Nazuna mentioned it in September on stream. Nazuna confirms it as she leaves in perfectly polite, standard, agreeable Japanese
If Henya wants a collab with Mikeneko, she's free to follow up. If she doesn't, I don't think anyone is going to mind.

>> No.67410751

>>67397456
Vwhorejo fags have been really quiet, now even phase connect troons make more noise n catalog

>> No.67410838

>>67410420
It's so weird to concentrate on the politeness of her Japanese rather than the content of her statement. In the many times Henya invited Nazuna to collab, despite being repeatedly ignored, she never phrased it as "You never answered my collab request", she just reiterated her desire to collab.
Mike knew exactly what she was doing, and what she was doing was being a bitch. It wasn't even a sincere request, it was trying to uno reverso some ancient drama.

>> No.67410860

>>67410420
>Nazuna confirms it
Very convienent but Henya said Nazuna never replied to her even once before said post. Also if Mikeneko was serious she would have extended a new invitation instead of passive aggressive mention that Henya never replied to her old one.
But you are right that nobody is going to mind if doesn't happen. Mikeneko certainly never had any actual interest in a collab.

>> No.67410929

>>67410860
Nazuna always speaks the truth

>> No.67410953

>>67398869
ogey vshitjo shill

>> No.67411076

>>67410860
Mikeneko 100% wanted that collab. She's basically already assumed Henya doesn't want to deal with her and won't reach out again.
>>67410838
Without access to their DMs, I can't really comment much, but I do imagine Mike's collab request being a bit more formal than just a "let's hang out"
She obviously wanted the connection to be on Mikeneko and not Nazuna and had basically cut off Nazuna. I do feel that if Pikamee and Nazuna had been able to collab, it would have removed a lot of this awkwardness.

>> No.67411297

>>67411076
>Mikeneko 100% wanted that collab.
No, she didn't.
Her actions speak far louder than her words. Nazuna / Mike had and still has plenty of opportunities to arrange that collab.

>> No.67411299

>>67411076
If she really wanted the collab, why did she send a bitchy public reply to Henya rather than reaching out via DMs and explaining the situation with her alternate account?
I don't buy for a minute that she was genuinely interested in collabing, it was entirely a reaction to criticism she read /here/.

>> No.67411301

>>67410860
I think you misunderstood the post
Nazuna specifically said, "there's a VShojo girl who doesn't want to collab with Mikeneko" back in September. It was during the stream where she was shilling her Mikeneko Twitch account and the translator was sweating bullets.
In Mikeneko's mind, she's already been rejected for a collab.

>> No.67411498

>>67411299
>sends Henya DM as Mikeneko
>gets ghosted
>remembers Henya really wants to collab with Nazuna
>assumes Mikeneko is NG and gets depressed, doesn't reach out again
She was pretty upset about it, considering it must have been on her mind for months. But the ball is in Henya's court now so there's no need for you to be upset with Mikeneko.

>> No.67411532

Every problem Mikeneko has is always someone else's fault

>> No.67411556

>>67411301
Fun fact, in her not-graduation stream, Nazuna said that she was unaware of the Christmas song cover that almost all of VShojo did. The way they handle those is to make a post in their shared Discord, and have members give an emote reaction to it to see how many people are interested. She probably never logged into her Nazuna Discord to see it, that's how much she was ghosting them.

>> No.67411565

>>67411299
>it was entirely a reaction to criticism she read /here/.
The only people complaining about it were in /vsj/ and she never read that thread. It spilled over into /るみな/ from crossposters but none of the regulars there really gave a shit. That's not the reason

>> No.67411630

>>67411556
>The way they handle those is to make a post in their shared Discord, and have members give an emote reaction to it to see how many people are interested
If this explanation was done in English, I don't blame her for being completely unaware of it. She'd already talked about how she can't understand their Discord because everything is in English.

>> No.67411722

>>67411299
>I don't buy for a minute that she was genuinely interested in collabing, it was entirely a reaction to criticism she read /here/.
No, it was used as an excuse for why she had the homo collab with Kirsch. Of course the remaining keyfags would eat it up.

>> No.67411721

>>67411532
I've known a few women like that too... It's weird to see.

>> No.67411743

>>67411565
Mike's English isn't good enough to know which posters in her general are regulars or not. It's the only logical explanation for why she was still bringing it up as late as a month ago.

>> No.67411805

>>67411722
The best part about her fans is that she doesn't even need to come up with her own delusional excuses, they'll just make them up FOR her, maybe even say that SHE said it in some unarchived Twitcast

>> No.67411904

>>67411805
I swear 50% of the posts annoyed by her and her fans are made by the same two butthurt /vsj/tards screaming about how her fans wouldn't leak her paid streams.

>> No.67411981

>>67411743
1: her general barely posted about Henya
2: her general hadn't existed for 4 months at that point
The simplest explanation is that Mikeneko is up for the collab but Henya needs to initiate it.

>> No.67412153

>>67411904
You're the one screaming that she is totally innocent and everyone that doesn't believe you needs to give her money.

>> No.67412204

>>67412153
Cry more

>> No.67412297

>>67411981
The simplest explanation is that Nazuna / Mikeneko lied about it just like she lied about not collabing with homos to her fans and that's also why Henya had no clue what she was talking about in her tweet.

>> No.67412367

>>67412204
Hey cuckboy, nobody actually wants to see her paid streams or any streams for that matter.

>> No.67412390

>>67412297
Not really. The Henyafags here basically admitted Henya doesn't do a thing about Hololive
Knowing Mikeneko and Nazuna are the same people is common knowledge here but apparently not to her
>that weird line of logic
Rushiaschizo? Again?

>> No.67412544

>>67412390
That right. Every post you don't agree with is Rushiaschizo and that means they are automatically wrong. You are the King of being correct.

>> No.67412566

>>67412390
She gave Henya the cold shoulder from the very beginning. Stop making excuses when that's something that could have been easily explained in discord. And no I'm not rushiaschizo, I just gave you a well known example of her lying to fans.

>> No.67412675

>>67411301
>Nazuna specifically said, "there's a VShojo girl who doesn't want to collab with Mikeneko"
Well that was a lie, now wasn't it? Because she's already admitted that actually she just didn't get a response, probably because Henya has no idea what a mikeneko is.
What is the advantage of these logical contortions over simply admitting that she fucked up, just this once? Why does it have to be that the only mistake was collabing with Kirsch and everything else is perfectly fine?

>> No.67412791

>>67412675
It wasn't a lie because she never lies. You should know this by now

>> No.67413050

>>67412675
Mikeneko is unironically about 4 times more famous than Nazuna is, easily.
Didn't Pikamee do a Rushia joke at the end of her career, or was it just a coincidence that she made a "boing boing I'm your girlfriend" joke?

>> No.67413157

>>67413050
>rushia joke
She made that joke as Nazuna plenty of times which Henya obviously watched.

>> No.67413181

>>67412675
Sort of reasonable to assume you were ghosted after getting no reply
As that anon said
>>67413050
unlike the EN side, nearly everyone on the /jp/ side knows who Mikeneko is.

>> No.67413279

>>67413157
That just makes it weirder that Henya wouldn't know that Nazuna was Mikeneko. But whatever, I'm done with this line of logic at this point.
The longer these threads go on for, the more time Rushiaschizo has to stew in anger and fury at her.

>> No.67413533

>>67413279
>I'm done with this line of logic at this point.
Then stop bringing it up.

>> No.67413849

>>67413279
You are mental

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