/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>No graduation
>No termination
Feels good to be a VShojochad

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Nazuna...

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>>66907517
>Screenshot 2024-01-17 at 09-37-38 smug henya - Penelusuran Google.png

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Nazuna hasn’t been dead for a month. Then there is losing three talents all in less than a week.

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>>66907591
What about her? She still owns the IP.

>>66907842
Yeah it's a bait thread to get people riled up as if Vshojofans are happy / smug about these events instead of sad about the practice.

>>66907979
That's her personal choice and the other three are still using their IP so not sure why you bring them up when that's the point of keeping the IP.

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>>66907591
Grabbed free high-quality 2D and 3D models and can do whatever she wants with them. I still feel sad knowing she rejected all the possibilities she could get with learning English at least at the A2 level and never gave a chance to her EN fans. We will never see the pettangel again.

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>>66907517
>3 streamers got bullied into quitting
Amazing work environment, keep it up!

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>>66907517
There's a certain irony to using Henya for this thread.

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>>66908370
Real hentais know how much graduations suck to go through. If any Dragoons, Pomudachis, or Mel fans are reading this, stay strong and know things will get better eventually.

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>>66908224
>red herring fallacy
>making shit up
Why are Vshojo antis like that?

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>>66907517
>No graduation
does it not count if they just don't call it that?

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>>66907517
it must feel good to be in a whorehouse with zero standards

[Anonymous No.]

NOOOOO YOU MUST SIGH BONDED CONTRACT
YOU MUST WAIT FOR GAME PERMISSIONS AND SHIT
YOU MUST STAY IN GLORIOUS NIPPON COMPANY
OR WE WILL ERASE YOUR WORK AND MEMORYHOLE YOU (WILL HAPPEN ANYWAY)

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>>66907517
Nazuna
Veibae
Nyanners
Silvervale

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>>66908176
Source on them being free? I know they aint paying for all of mouses models. They'd be bankrupt by now.

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>>66907517
Obvious bait thread

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>>66909886
If the channel still exists and they still stream on it under the same name using the same model then it's hard to see it as a graduation.

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>>66911043
i see, so they just quit their talent freedom agency then

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>>66907517
>no graduations

I'm convinced vshits are the dumbest group on this board. Highly delusional with shorterm memory loss. If I had my way, I'd have all of them shot on sight to avoid corrupting humanity's gene pool with retard genes.

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>>66907517
>no graduation
Correct, they just dissappear
>no termination
Nazuna had her contract terminated

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>>66908224
it really is impressive

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>>66908224
>>66911369
You retards actually believe this? They got a better contract elsewhere. The chances of anyone succesfully bullying Vei are less than zero.

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>>66907591
she wasn't graduated nor terminated, she left on her own... too bad she had to be a complete cunt to Henya on her way out, she won't be missed.
>>66907842
kek
>>66908083
>Yeah it's a bait thread to get people riled up as if Vshojofans are happy / smug about these events instead of sad about the practice.
we have a winner. Ironmouse said the same shit half a dozen times already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuQruiedPc
>>66908370
it's not irony, it's bait.
>>66908832
those who were fans of NotHenya Pikamee know from first hand how much graduations suck...
>>66910934
two are total menheras, the other two joined their boyfriends. Nyanners is still friends with Mouse to this day.
>>66910944
I don't think they're free.
>>66911226
which is part of the whole thing, yes.
>>66911319
>Nazuna had her contract terminated
I'm sure she just didn't renew it.
>>66911479
pretty much /thread

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>>66908370
>>66910965
both equally retarded for the same and different reasons

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>>66911525
Holy autismo

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>>66907517
>no graduation
3 founding members and Rushia left.
Vhoekeks no brain cells to remember.

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>>66907517
Didn't half the founding members leave last year?
At least they got Pikamee

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>>66911319
>*Correct, they just disappear from the company but keep everything they worked for and can continue to stream as usual
>Nazuna kept her IP but may decide not to use it
fixed it for you

>>66911302
It seems like you are talking about yourself here because graduations and terminations don't exist in Vshojo. If somebody wants to leave they just don't renew their contract.

>>66911785
Graduations mean they lose their model, IP and assets on the way out, like Coco and Pikamee did.

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>>66911785
>"It doesn't count because muh character rights"

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>>66911851
Yeah, it doesn't in the context of graduations and terminations.
That's the point, if your oshi in Vshojo quits they will continue to stay the same character if they want to.

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>>66911890
The thing is that vhojotards like to brag about "no graduations" as if that automatically makes them good when 3 founding members left because they felt the company wasn't doing enough for whatever cut they were getting, but hey at least they got to keep their models so that makes it alright, amirite

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Holochuds deflecting this hard?

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>>66910876
>reeeeee

My guy does not know how big Hololive is. It's not just about streaming, retard. You don't understand this because you follow corpos with little influence and motivation. I feel so fucking sorry for you retards, genuinely.

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>>66912013
At least their fans get to still watch them and their oshi wasn't robbed by some faceless 50-year-old Japanese man in a suit, a luxury that holobronies and nijiniggers wish they had.

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>>66912013
Isn’t your en branch getting mogged by Ironmouse
Lmfao

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>>66912155
Isn't ironmouse going to die soon? Kek

[Anonymous No.]

Shitposters on this board like >>66912031 seem to have invented a reaction Holofags have had to the news and are just running with it as though it were actually true. Very strange to see.

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>>66912175
Two more weeks

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>>66911842
Literally read Nazuna's profile.
>12/31 VShojo 卒業

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>>66911851
congratulations, anon, you finally understood THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT where talent agencies like VShojo and Mythic differ from vtuber corpos like Holo or Niji.
>>66912013
yes, exactly. they weren't satisfied with their contracts and left. when a corpo slave isn't satisfied with their contracts they get unpersoned.
>>66912112
corpocvcks don't give a flying fuck about the vtubers or the persons behind the avatars, they only care about "muh brand"
>>66912175
no? she keeps upgrading her home to live a better life despite her circumstances.
>Verification not required.

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>>66912175
Let's not do that to them, holobros...

[Anonymous No.]

Stop fucking replying to the entire thread at once, jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>66912206
>upgrading her house
>nO lOnGer tErMinAlly ilL

All I have to do is cough at her general direction. Kek

[Anonymous No.]

are henya watchers really like this? ew

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>>66911525
kys mass replying faggot

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>>66912199
>following
keyfag detected
>>66912251
who said she isn't terminally ill?
>>66912303
no u

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>>66912013
>The thing is that vhojotards like to brag about "no graduations" as if that automatically makes them good
If you like that practice then good for you. I don't.

>when 3 founding members left because they felt the company wasn't doing enough for whatever cut they were getting
That's a good thing. They are not trapped by Vshojo holding their career hostage and you know those who stay value what Vshojo does for them.

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>>66912336
So we agree Nazuna graduated?

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>>66912433
>vshojo does for them

KEK.

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>>66912443
>>66912199
If she retires the IP that's her own decision.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember that Vshit was created so a bunch of 2views could feel like they're a part of something. They dream of being part of Hololive, but can't. It's actually tragic.

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>>66912175
>>66912218
T. Bvtm fag
So which member(s) will break nda next?

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>>66912484
Can't form a counterargument, I see.

>>66912532
They were large indies and they have no interest in joining Hololive. But congratulations for making up stories about people you don't watch.

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>>66912532
it's not our fault you can't afford a mobile data plan to watch twitch
>laughs in unlimited European internet

[Anonymous No.]

>bro, they aren't a squeaky clean paragon company, they literally pushed 3 of their founding members out of the company
>"yeah, and that's a good thing!"
fucking lmao

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>>66912336
Ironmouse isn't terminally ill. She's chronically ill.

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>>66912646
with CVID it's a distinction without difference.

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>>66912618
They didn't push any of them out. Those who left just found a competitive contract elsewhere and since it's easy to leave they did because they didn't vibe with the group. Not a problem for the fans of those who left since they just continue to exist, now go and compare that to the reaction of fans from Mel and Pomu for example and it's depressing.

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>>66912570
Where are our aquariums and pop-up stores Vshojobros...

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>>66912618
100x better than having omega as a manager or having a stalker/ sex offender as a manager like yozoru mel or you know getting treated like shit like hitomi chris, aloe, irys, coco did?

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>>66912532
None of them were 2views, they were all 4views before launch. In fact a lot of them were 4views before holeEN launched.

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>>66912529
You can read kanji, can't you?

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>>66912443
Nazuna graduating is going to be mikeneko's decision, not Vshojo. Vshojo just parted ways with her, they didn't graduate her, you fucking retard.

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>>66907517
>>66907842
>Indonesian - Detected
like clockkwork

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>>66912618
Veibae wasn't a founding member.
Also
Those two "founding members" WERE friends of the actual founding member, Melody, that's the whole reason of the group and if she had left, then we would be telling a different story. Those four chose a better contract that was suited for them, and the others stayed, it's not rocket science.

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>>66912789
Op is indonesian? Gross. I posted so much on this board, why are those monkeys even allowed to use the internet? I feel sorry for myself and for everyone for having interacted with the animal. Hopefully no one contracted a viral disease.

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>>66912784
No? It's right there in english however. If she decides to graduate her character it's her own decision.

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>>66912840
Kek

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vshojo will never have graduations

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>>66912741
>Content creator of the year at the game awards doko?
>vtuber of the year award doko?
>best vtuber award doko?
>best streamed event doko?
Nearly all of that was fan voted yet hololive didn’t win a single one?

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>>66912869
>>12/31 VShojo 卒業
It's right there in Japanese. That word means "graduation". Throw it into jisho if you want to double check
>No?
I always forget nearly all of the /vsj/fags here are unapologetically EOP

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>>66913018
That doesn't change what I just said. Maybe you should learn some english.

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>>66912869
>graduate her character
What is this bullshit? Why you now adding shit to graduation? She graduated and your personal definition does not matter.

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>>66912945
>Henya wins best newcomer award
Lol

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>>66913057
Vshojo had nothing to do with that.

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>>66913032
You're the person inventing his own weird definition of "graduation"
Just because VShojo avoided using the "g" word in their press release.

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>>66913086
Vshojo has everything to do with her graduating from vshojo, retard.
Vshojo had a graduation contrary to you smugly claiming it didn't.

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>>66913130
>>66913123
Nope. See >>66912529

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>>66913142
She graduated from vshojo according to herself.

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>>66913172
>pathological liar saying stupid shit as she always has
vs
>press release by a company

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>>66913172
Please learn to read.

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>>66913086
The former employee calling it a graduation means more than your own personal definition and even more than VShojo's public statement

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>>66907517
Holokeks never watch non-holos.
Nijinig*ers never watch Twitch.
Vwhorefags never watch Vtubers(ofc including Vshojos).

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>>66913200
>t. corporate cocksucker

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>>66913226
It means she decided it to be a graduation at most. But Vshojo didn't enforce it so no, it has nothing to do with Vshojo.

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>>66913200
Graduation=leaving a group.

>>66913208
What have I failed to read?
Maybe you should read this >>66912199
Here, I'll put it in english so your retard brain can maybe attempt to process it
>12/31 vshojo graduation

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>>66913255
It has everything to do with vshojo because she graduated from vshojo.

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>>66913247
>Vwhorefags never watch Vtubers(ofc including Vshojos).
what does this mean?

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>>66913255
So it's a graduation

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>>66913251
>t. keyfag
tell your menhera oshi to sue them if it's not true
>>66913262
>Graduation=leaving a group.
roflmao no

[Anonymous No.]

Who would of though a small kettle and sayton herself could piss off holofags this much? You’d expect these kind of threads from nijinogs but what set off the holofags to deflect this hard?

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>>66912945
>unironically citing an award in a 'what?' as accomplishment

Kek.

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>>66913262
>Graduation=leaving a group.
That's not the real definition.

>>66913286
By her own choice. You don't have that choice in Hololive or Nijisanji for example. That's a real graduation.

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>>66913299
>>66913318
Ok let's hear you the supreme fan of all vtubers define what graduation means

>>66913318
>By her own choice.
Like all graduations then.
>You don't have that choice in Hololive or Nijisanji for example.
Yes they do. That's literally what graduation is.

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>>66913285
Don't hurt your brain trying to think vwhorefag. It's alright to be stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vshojos have TALENT FREEDOM!
Nazuna:"No, they banned me from streaming Harry Potter games. So I played it as mike"

>No "graduation" in Vshojo!
Nazuna: "I graduated from Vshojo~"

I fuckin love Nazuna.

[Anonymous No.]

Genuine question, does Vshojo do anything outside of streaming? I'm not talking about streaming events or collabs.

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>>66913366
you just got to the thread and you're already mindbroken, pretending do be dumb when you're already dumb as fuck, ngmi.

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>>66912199
if this isn't a smoking gun I don't know what is

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>>66913409
Let's jot remind them of how much bigger Cover is, anon
Let them have this moment

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>>66913353
>Like all graduations then.
There's no choice for them if they want to quit Hololive or Nijisanji. They have to give up everything they worked for to leave and cannot even talk about their time there.

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>>66913366
>It's alright to be stupid.
no it's not, fuck face. lmfao.

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>>66913445
Vwhorefag...

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>>66913308
T. Seething nousagi

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913466
brainlet...

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>>66913402
They didn't ban her from playing the game and they didn't force her to graduate. Both were her own choices.

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>>66913443
>There's no choice for them if they want to quit Hololive or Nijisanji.
There literally is. When they quit themselves, they graduate.
>They have to give up everything they worked for to leave and cannot even talk about their time there.
How does this make it so that it's somehow not their own choice, retard?

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>>66913443
Graduation just means quitting a company/group. Get that through your thick skull.
By your logic, no idols can "graduate" because they can freely talk about their past work and use the same name
Graduation was always just a pretty word for quitting

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>>66913467
Do you really believe people cared about your cheap chuba awards show, anon? Be honest. No delusional answers.

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>>66913503
It's still a graduation even if it's not "forced"

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>>66913541
there are no graduations at vshojo, they do not own talents IP, nazuna is retarded.

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>>66913247
>censoring nigger
pathetic
>>66913445
my condolences

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>>66913409
Not that I know of

Can a vwhorefag with extensive knowledge of vwhoring answer this question?

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>>66913409
They are a talent agency, not a tech company like Cover, anon.
>>66913285
He's just a retard being
>huehuehue vshoujo aren't real vtubers huehue
when out of most companies, VShojo probably has more fans that do watch more vtubers outside of the companies, there's quite the number of Holofags, Nijifags and those who watch indies too.

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>>66913513
I prefixed it with "if they want to quit" a lot of the time they end up suffering through it in the hope things get better, just like Pomu did last year.

>>66913514
We are talking about Vtubers here and that's how it works for them in the vtubing sphere.

>>66913541
They literally stated that she continues to own her IP. What she does with it outside of Vshojo is her own problem.

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>>66913570
bye

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>>66913503

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>>66913566
There literally was a graduation at vshojo.

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>>66913607
hi

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>>66913618
no there wasn't

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>>66913611
Silvervale played it therefore there was no ban on the game. Just a warning about potential backlash.

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>>66913634
yeah there was?

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>>66913658
no there wasnt?

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>>66913604
>a lot of the time
Nice weasel words, retard. Even you're not sure about what you're talking about.
>We are talking about Vtubers here and that's how it works for them in the vtubing sphere.
And now you've exposed that you don't know shit about vtubers despite accusing holo/niji fans of not knowing anything about things outside of their favorite companies. the fucking irony.

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>>66913571
I'll answer for them. Vshojo is streaming only, and honestly, there isn't much besides being "vshojo". I seriously don't know why people feel the need to compare. Cover is a million dollar company that essentially is a mammoth by any standard compared to their competitors. It's perfectly ok to acknowledge and it isn't stepping on anyone's toes.

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>>66913530
30k+ people came to watch anon including holofans, nijifans and even trash like you. Not only did hololive lose multiple awards to en vtubers outside of holo they have yet to win something as big as content creator of the year at the game awards which had over 1mil people watching

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>>66913663
Is anyone convinced of this?

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>>66913634
There literally was >>66912199
>12/31 vshojo graduation

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>>66913687
>30k+
>it's alot!

Kek

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>>66913706
vshojo didn't graduate nazuna because they have no power to do so, nazuna owns her own IP

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>>66913409
they had a charity event in december and Henya asked VShojoJP to hold another one for the earthquake victims
>>66913611
NG = no go != banned from

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>>66913671
>Nice weasel words, retard. Even you're not sure about what you're talking about.
There are many reasons for them to want to quit. Do you really need me to spell them all out for you?
>And now you've exposed that you don't know shit about vtubers despite accusing holo/niji fans of not knowing anything about things outside of their favorite companies. the fucking irony.
Correct me then if you can. You can't though because it's an objective fact.

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>>66913727
Graduation has nothing to do with owning IPs.

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>>66913604
>We are talking about Vtubers here and that's how it works for them in the vtubing sphere.
Yes, and Vtubing took the term from idol culture, where it just means quitting a group. This "it only counts if they lose their IP" is your own personal definition and isn't even shared by former VShojo Vtubers.

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>>66913682
Vwhorefags mogged yet again then?

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>>66913740
there wasn't and there will never be graduations at vshojo

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>>66913514
You know, pointing out like that, VShojo might have unironically the most idol-like graduation outside of some big event to say the goodbyes, since no fucking idol has to start over with a new name, face and body, maybe a different style of music, but that's it, which in this case would be content. And they can also mention their previous work.

Then again, your point is idols, which have been vastly different to how we have handled graduations in this industry for years now. I can't say "not continuing with your contract" means they are graduated. But sure, whatever you need for your point.

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>>66913682
I pray for them every single day anon

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>>66913742
It has a different meaning in Vtubing however, stop pretending it just means quitting a group when they cannot keep their assets, their achievements or their IP when they leave.

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>>66913682
>WE HAVE AWARDS... ON TWITCH!

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>>66908832
Mel and possibly selen wont even get to graduate, i cant even imagine what their fanbases are going through. I wont be able to watch pomu next week but at least I can watch her now and build some final memories, same as I did with pikamee.

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>>66913733
>There are many reasons for them to want to quit.
But you saying "a lot of the time they end up suffering through it in the hope things get better" implies that other times they're not actually suffering. You do not even believe in what you're saying.
>Correct me then if you can. You can't though because it's an objective fact.
What do I need to correct? Nazuna graduated according to herself and she's not the only one who can do this "keep their IP" bullshit you keep going on about. You would know this if you weren't a corpo drone and actually followed vtubers outside of vshojo.

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>>66907517
zentranny

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Didnt Henya ghost Nazuna for months and refuse to collab with her while her goons paraded the story as if it happened the other way around? Why would anyone give a fuck what you lowlifes say

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>>66913759
There literally was a graduation at vshojo according to a former vshojo member.

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>>66913855
no there wasn't.

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>>66913682
Do you think they will try to grow into other markets or industries or do you think the agency isn't motivated enough to grow their influence outside of the streaming sphere?

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>>66913812
>holofags still salty they lost a fan voted event
Holy kek

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>>66913861
Yes there was >>66912199
>12/31 vshojo graduation
Why did she write that if she didn't graduate from vshojo?

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>>66913900
because she's a liar, that wasn't a graduation and you cannot prove it.

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>>66913870
They're at the end an agency. Vshojo fans will probably never experience the luxury of having a chuba experience outside of their screens, sadly.

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>>66913818
>But you saying "a lot of the time they end up suffering through it in the hope things get better" implies that other times they're not actually suffering. You do not even believe in what you're saying.
They don't need to suffer to want to leave for a different place. It's just one example. Not my issue that you cannot thing of more reason without me having to spell them out for you.
>What do I need to correct? Nazuna graduated according to herself and she's not the only one who can do this "keep their IP" bullshit you keep going on about. You would know this if you weren't a corpo drone and actually followed vtubers outside of vshojo.
Nazuna owns her IP and assets and what she does with them is her own choice. It has nothing to do with Vshojo so it's disingenuous to imply Vshojo graduated her. She graduated herself.

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>>66913916
It was a graduation because she left the group. That's what graduation means. It has nothing to do with retiring IP or characters.

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>>66913727
if that's the case than literally all the chuubas who have entered another corpo or went indie (miori, kana) have never graduated in their entire career.
>>66913759
>>66913861
>>66913916
erm

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>>66913872
>they lost a fan voted event
Did you really watch that award?

[Anonymous No.]

This argument about semantics is unbelievably stupid. Nobody cares who used the terminology graduation because at the end of the day VShojo's statement made it clear that the full character rights for Nazuna stayed with Mike. If Mike doesn't want to continue streaming as Nazuna afterwards that's her decision, but the character of Nazuna didn't cease to exist because she left VShojo and Mike could start a stream up as her right now if she felt like it, and she doesn't have to pretend like her time as Nazuna never happened. Simple as that. That makes it different from the commonly understood definition of graduation within vtubing, even if it was referred to as that.

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>>66913940
don't play dumb, you're as pathetic as it is already.

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In vtubing graduation and termination is literally the same, former is just more celebratory, cause in the end person who gets either is unpersoned, basically dead has to start from scratch or rol back to persona before x corpo. So if you gonna argue semantics at least do it in context of the medium that term is used.

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>>66913924
What are vwhorefags so happy about then? Kek

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>>66913930
>They don't need to suffer to want to leave for a different place. It's just one example.
You said they don't have a choice but now you're saying they can have other reasons to leave.
>>66913930
>Nazuna owns her IP and assets and what she does with them is her own choice.
Cool. That has nothing to do with the fact that she graduated from vshojo.
>>66913930
>It has nothing to do with Vshojo so it's disingenuous to imply Vshojo graduated her. She graduated herself.
Ok, and? It's the same for everyone in holo and niji and every other group. Vshojo had a graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913870
If they become a company maybe
Tho they marketed themselves as just an agency so i dont think they will ever take corpo route

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913924
do conventions, fanmeetings, cafe collabs, claw machine stuff and in-person concerts not count as "outside their screens"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913870
Not really, GunRun (the CEO) has his own company in the streaming sphere as well. They just want to be a talent agency, now that they have dabbled on doing some other stuff, like progressively using these devices and some others like the one for signing remotely, it's just for them to make the experience better for conventions. You could make the argument for Melody, since it's not the conventional streaming market, but that's beside the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913974
But you're the one playing dumb. She graduated and so did Vei, Nyanners and Silver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913940
Graduation without losing rights to your model and the ability to stream with it, Twitch and YouTube channels owned previously by her, and social accounts. Okay, sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914014
>You said they don't have a choice but now you're saying they can have other reasons to leave.
I said they don't have a choice but to graduate and leave their IP behind if they want out. Please I beg you, learn to read.
>Cool. That has nothing to do with the fact that she graduated from vshojo.
She didn't graduate by any sane definition. If you define it by leaving the company then just say it like that: She left from Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913947
I watched jp sports fes and pekora lose yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913965
They want a win on their argument and won't give up, schematics only apply when it's "fuck VShojo" hour

[Anonymous No.]

Don't get mad at me, but I have to ask, do Vshojo fans have amnesia?
How can you forget a graduation ceremony that took place a month ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913974
>>66914065
sounds like you're conflating graduation with retiring of the character, which isn't always the case. you graduate from a group or agency. even if you keep your IP or character it's still called a graduation because you left a corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914099
>Ceremony
An image announcing someone's departure counts as a ceremony?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914099
>graduation ceremony
Maybe you should stop hallucinating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914130

>>66914099
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914044
That's good. I really want cover to have more competition, because they're risking stagnancy. This whole tribalfagging that's happening between agencies makes little sense because at the end of the day, it's only the talents that will benefit from having multiple competent corpos in the industry instead of just one. I really hope they consider creating a corpo for Vshojo (hopefully one that doesn't emulate nijisanji)

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914065
Yes. Why are you mad that she graduated and didn't lose the character?

>>66914072
>I said they don't have a choice but to graduate and leave their IP behind if they want out.
You said graduation isn't their own choice even though it is.
>She didn't graduate by any sane definition.
She graduated by the most commonly used definition.
>If you define it by leaving the company then just say it like that: She left from Vshojo.
Graduation means leaving the group. She graduated from Vshojo.
This conversation really exposes how you don't actually watch vtubers and are just hung up on vshojo's reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914099
>graduation ceremony that took place a month ago?
At best nazuna's graduation ceremony was that random 3D concert she streamed around fall of last year. After that she was just riding out the remainder of her contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914118
It's called leaving the corpo if you leave the corpo
It's called graduating from the corpo if you're losing rights to stream with this character, rights to your channels and social accounts, and the ability to communicate with your former colleagues. None of this applies to Nazuna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914167
Actually based. More large corpos = better treatment for talents because they will want them to stay.

It's always monopolies that spawn black companies and it will be disheartening to see cover corrupted like niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914181
>You said graduation isn't their own choice even though it is.
I said if they want to leave it's not their own choice. They have to graduate.
Sorry but don't care what else you have to say when you're unable to properly read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914222
>It's called graduating from the corpo if you're losing rights to stream with this character
No it's not. Why are you making up shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914222
>It's called graduating from the corpo if you're losing rights to stream with this character
no it isn't. all the girls that left tsunderia got to keep their models, and those were officially graduations. what are you on?

[Anonymous No.]

All of this arguing is funny because at the end of the day people are just trying to justify that Hololive could erase one of their oldest talents with 5 years worth of streams overnight while people cry and feel bad for her.

By contrast, Silvervale, who objectively left VShojo on bad terms, continues to exist and her entire streaming career remains intact and viewable by anyone who wishes to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914275
some shitty 2view corp nobody ever cared about does not define the meaning of words

[Anonymous No.]

Ok anons, i think i can end your semantic problem with the term graduation, ekhm...
Graduation, the fact of finishing a degree or other course of study at a university or school, or the ceremony at which you are officially said to have finished(Cambridge dictionary)

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914266
>I said if they want to leave it's not their own choice. They have to graduate.
These both mean the same thing, retard. Leaving the group is graduating from the group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914307
>corp
at least you admitted it. they graduated from a corp and kept their models

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914307
>t-t-t-that doesn't count!!!
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914358
Is action of leaving the house a graduation from it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914358
Nobody would complain about graduations if they were like that in Nijisanji and Hololive too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914358
>>66914379
barely anyone fucking knows what tsunderia is except you phaseniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914275
In that case, you are right. I don't follow small corpos too much and happy to see how it turned out for the former Tsunderia talents. But if I remember correctly, Tsunderia is no more and it would be the height of idiocy and pettiness to bring models with them to the grave.
>>66914307
Fuck off. This board really needs IDs

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914167
I don't think they aren't trying to compete with Cover (if anything the previous technology has been borrowed to indies by Gun's own admision), although they do have a partnership with would be Cover and Anycolor's biggest competitor, and probably one that's really beating them due to both Cover and Anycolor having their inhouse applications, which would be VTube Studio.
https://denchisoft.com/partners/
They are also partners with ping.
https://ping.gg
And their head of the "technology" department is Fugi, which created Reactive, which is used even my Holomembers (it's the discord thing that pops up in calls that has an image).

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914408
There's plenty of graduations that work exactly the same way in the world of Japanese vtubers which you as a based non-tribal CHAD should be aware of, yet you're not because you only know vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914386
this is the dumbest analogy I've ever seen on this fucking board

[Anonymous No.]

>>66912945
>BEST STREAMED EVENT
>SUBATHON
I felt nostalgic until recognize "2023" in the upper left corner.

[Anonymous No.]

So did Buffpup graduate from Mythic Talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914461
It's just as dumb as framing every not hostile departure from vtuber group, corpo, agency a graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/774inc_official/status/1655905551883317248
>We would like to inform you that Suo Patra will graduate from Nanashi Ink on May 9, 2023 and become independent.

[Anonymous No.]

Im really sorry guys henyafags are currently restless coz their little gremlin is on a long break until around the end of january. They seem to have broken out of containment acting smug. Please kindly taze or smack em on the head with a shovel and return them to either /vsj+/ or /999/ thank you for your cooperation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914579
I need her now

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914510
>graduation = hostile departure
This post really highlights the lack of familiriaty with vtubers among vshojotards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914579
OP is not a henyafag.
And that guy
>>66912945
is just the falseflagger who trolled with ironmouse in /#/
Maybe they are even the same person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914515
Some literal who nip corpo doesn't get to redefine what graduation means.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nazuna called it "graduation".
>Her colleagues held a graduation ceremony for her.
>The official Twitter says she has graduated.

But nazunakeks still believe it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>all vchiban members leave mythic
not graduations
>patra leaves 774
graduation
>*insert indie* stops streaming, leaving a nonexistent group
graduation
>tsunderia members leave a collapsing company
graduation
>nyanners,silver,vei leave vshojo
not graduations
>nazuna leaves vshojo
graduation
It's a completely meaningless word I suppose

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913790
>stop pretending it just means quitting a group
That's all graduation means, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>66907517
Vshojo don't have graduation or termination because the members own what they have

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914624
Did you really just selected two words from that anon post and used them to write an insult completely ignoring the whole post? Are you ok anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914510
not even close. you just don't know the meaning of words. a graduation always meant that a vtuber leaves an agency. whether they keep the model or not is independent of the fact that theyve graduated, which is what's happened with nazuna. she graduated and kept her model, just as nyanners, silver and vei did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914579
we aren't as restless as to shit up the board with bait threads when we can just spam vsj+ with Henya pics.
>t. mass reply Henyafag

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914735
what about the people who left mythic talent or other similar groups?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914720
The entire point is that you're mad that "not hostile departures" get called graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914705
Sure if you want to play that game then Vshojo had graduations but no graduations where the talent lost their IP, their model, their assets nor their achievements and can continue to talk about their time before graduation in Vshojo, unlike in Hololive or Nijisanji. Are you happy now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914662
As opposed to some literal who anon on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914662
>so desperate to win his retarded argument that's he's ignoring an official statement from a JP corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914762
Why do you need to add all these extra qualifiers? OP stated that there were no graduations evne though there were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914672
VShojo didn't hold any sort of ceremony for her, kek. But it's still a graduation. It's the VShojo tribalfags pretending it isn't
>t.Nazunafag

[Anonymous No.]

Let's be honest, this is another stupid outcome of inserting idol culture into vtubers when it was starting. A lot of things can't apply the same way. Graduation is such a stupid word

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914801
Because that's what people in Vshojo mean when they talk about no graduations in Vshojo. I just translated it for you since you are persistent of not understanding what the complain is about. You are welcome!

[Anonymous No.]

Mike can't use Nazuna model.
Do you think she signed the same contract as Kson?
Like henya, so much was forced on nazuna, including streams on Twitch and 30 hours react streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914847
>Because that's what people in Vshojo mean when they talk about no graduations in Vshojo.
What you mean is irrelevant. Vshojo had graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914849
See >>66912529 You absolute fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>66907517
While I applaud vshojos decision to not hold the characters IPs, leaving the organization still constitutes graduation. The vtuber leaves not only the support structure of the corpo but also the sphere of it's members and orbiters after graduation. You can see this blatantly when even Mouse and Nyans 'sister for life' business arrangement pretty much ended after Nyan parted ways from the corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914797
Nobody cares about JP corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914872
>what you mean is irrelevant
Thanks for your very honest attempt at communication.
Maybe it will work for you next time.

[Anonymous No.]

Feels good to laugh at holokek, nijikek pretending to be vshoujokek fighting to death while read all this as phaseChads

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914896
>nobody cares about Holo or Niji
Thanks for admitting you're not even a fan of VTubers and are just here to shit up the board

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914912
Vshojo had graduations and this fact makes you mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914896
like vshojoJP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914930
By your definition of graduations, no it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914955
?
My definition and the common definition of graduation is departure from a group. Vshojo had graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

If I quit my job, they throw me a little party, can I call it a graduation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914981
see
>>66914847

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914672
it's not them denying that she did, it's clear that she did graduate and there would be little reason to deny that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914929
No one would care about holo or niji if they didn't have EN branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914881
If Hime or Nazuna had used their model, I would have believed the corp statement. Do you think Vshojo model is included in her assets in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914923
says the phase cuck whose oshi unironically fucks dogs

[Anonymous No.]

>lose 4 talents
>erm well vshojo let them keep their characters so it doesn't count
Holy autism. Call it what you want, still a loss for the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914923
>phasekek
>having anything to be proud of

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914912
>VShojo had no graduations as long as I completely change what the word "graduation" means
This isn't an honest attempt at communication. Make up your own word for your own thing.
Isn't it you who is being completely dishonest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914994
What people in Vshojo mean is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66907517
nyanners vei silver nazuna

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915041
>>66915042
see here:
>>66914762
I already translated it for you so there can be no misunderstanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914983
Are you a Vtuber/idol? Then yes
Otherwise, no

[Anonymous No.]

>saying this when JP has a bunch of talents that are bigger than most of the EN branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915079
Vshojo had graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914981
So, I guess Rushia, Aloe and Mel graduated, who would have known.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914847
>Because that's what people in Vshojo mean when they talk about no graduations in Vshojo
So people in Vshojo are retarded and have no idea about Japanese culture. Color me surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915012
>saying this when JP has a bunch of talents that are bigger than most of the EN branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915029
yes, it's a loss for the company, but we care about our oshis first and foremost. for example, if Henya would leave VShojo for any reason I'd follow her wherever she goes, without shitting on V.
keyfags on the other hand can't fathom an amicable separation because their oshi is a BPD who can't either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915117
Bigger by what metric? they couldn't even win any awards

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915029
The company is a tool used to assist me watch vtubers. I could continue watching silver stream the day before, the day of, and the day after her departure from vshojo was announced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915029
It is a loss and a major one, no matter what some vshojodrones think. Still, not a graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915079
so vshojo had graduations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915107
That's just how it works in Nijisanji, VOMS and Hololive. If it were different in any of those maybe it would be called differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915104
>Rushia
I mean, both Kanata and Pekora called it a graduation, funnily enough. So the honest answer is that it depends on who you ask

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915165
They were graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915171
>That's just how it works in Nijisanji, VOMS and Hololive.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Graduation is just a glorified word for leaving/quiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915217
Ah so I have just imagined Pikamee, Nina and Coco having to leave behind their IP when they left. My bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915132
>actually caring about some dogshit Twitch award

[Anonymous No.]

It was proven that Vshojo and Hololive are basically the same.
If only twitch hadn't started that campaign, Vshojo fans wouldn't have gone berserk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915262
That's not what I said. You implied that that's how it works only in those three companies and that it's different everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915274
Why did you exclude Twitch? Youtube live is NOT popular in the West.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915171
It is a Japanese term that means graduation and is used for "leaving/qutting (a group/company etc.)"
It doesn't matter how it works in Holo, Niji, Voms or whatever, it is how the Japanese language works and how the term is generally applied by Japanese people. Do you think a real life idol sheds her skin when she leaves a group? Try using a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915293
I didn't imply that.
Those are just the 3 JP based companies that Vshojo fans are most familiar with for obvious reasons and graduation works for them like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915324
I didn't, Twitch VTubers just aren't big enough to make it on this list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915353
see
>>66914762

[Anonymous No.]

>>66914762
If you are causing so much trouble by misusing words, you should invent a new one instead of trying to change the definition of graduation specifically just to engage in tribalfaggotry

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915430
There's nothing tribal about hating the practice of graduations. I expect many Hololive and Nijisanjifans are upset about it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915361
>aren't big enough
lmao. No, it's not.
It is said that the numbers on Twitch are worth 6 times more than those on Youtube.
That's why Holos never won awards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915358
So this statement
>VShojo probably has more fans that do watch more vtubers outside of the companies
was a complete lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915324
he excluded them because j00t00b is free in SEA mobile data plans but twitch isn't
>Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915457
The practice of graduations is leaving the group and nothing more than that. Vshojo had graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915481
not my statement however that doesn't contradict what I said at all. most people in Vshojo like to watch indies too and being unfamiliar with the JP scene doesn't matter at all for that statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915457
That isn't even my point at all, so that's a nice way to completely misrepresent my argument.
People quitting an group = graduation. So VShojo did also have graduations, regardless of what happens to the IP rights of the Vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>66907979
>losing three talents
They are still streaming and Nyanners will be back eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915522
see >>66914762

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915029
If you care about VShojo as a brand sure, I for one, like Nyanners as much as any other member in the group, and since she left I have been waiting on a merch drop. Mythic only delivered this shitty expensive ass merch and called it a day
https://gallerypanda.com/pages/nyanners
No other merch so far, and it has been almost a year. But of course, Silver gets two lame ass merch drops because she was balls deep on Asmon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915531
It does contradict what you said because you said that vshojo fans do not understand what graduation means beyond how they have experienced it in relation to the people who ended up in vshojo.
>most people in Vshojo like to watch indies too
This was proven wrong in this thread. The only indies vshojo fans watch are vshojo orbiters.
>being unfamiliar with the JP scene doesn't matter at all for that statement.
But it does. Several JP vtubers have graduated and kept their IP. vshojo fans do not know this because they don't actually watch vtubers or follow anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915563
>still streaming
Yeah but they quit VShojo
>Nyanners will be back eventually.
Unless you have actual proof, this sounds like bizarre cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915491
>twitch isn't
I heard there is a good mobile plan in Thailand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915565
The only person "playing that game" is the OP and vshojotards who desperately want to claim "no graduations"

[Anonymous No.]

>>66911525
Least autistic /vsg/ poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915596
>This was proven wrong in this thread. The only indies vshojo fans watch are vshojo orbiters.
Considering the fact that most VShojofags won't even watch Miguel, that should have been obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

Farewell, anons, I'm graduating from this thread, cause I feel like my brain cells are commiting sudoku the more I read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915651
But are you keeping the memories of this thread? Can you mention it, legally?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915559
You said I engage in tribalfaggotry. I don't misrepresent your argument.
Also
>>66914762

>>66915626
If graduations were just equal to leaving with no further negative consequences then nobody would have a problem with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915637
>VShojofags won't even watch Miguel
Because I don't understand JP and for some reason she refuses to hire the translators that she had as Nazuna

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915651
But anon, as long as you get to keep your identity, it's not a graduation, according to VShojofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915637
Because I'm not going to sit and pretend I know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915676
>If graduations were just equal to leaving with no further negative consequences then nobody would have a problem with it.
But that's exactly what they are, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915676
>You said I engage in tribalfaggotry.
You are. Why else are you using a word that apparently doesn't apply to VShojo other than to "own the other tribes"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913302
They were begging for the kettle to join Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915682
Honestly, most of her Nazuna TLers were kinda shitty, even if you ignore the fact that one of them was a Nazuna anti.
Taishi used to refuse to TL anything serious she said and sometimes just dropped the pro gachikoi comments for no reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915710
>no further negative consequences
>talent loses their IP, their model, their assets and their achievements and can't talk about their time in the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915723
it doesn't apply to Mythic either, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66913409
They literally do concerts and Mousey did a charity tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915710
You are purposefully blind and /or ignorant.

>>66915723
Vshojo isn't the only company that doesn't own the IP and holds the vtubers career hostage. You yourself stated that there are JP companies that do this as well. My complain is about companies that do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915785
Do you understand what "tribalfagging" means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915768
>talent loses their IP, their model, their assets
None of those were theirs to begin with.
>their achievements and can't talk about their time in the company
Nothing stops them from talking about them in private.
None of these things are the consequences of graduating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915799
>You are purposefully blind and /or ignorant.
But that's you.
>My complain is about companies that do that.
Why is your English so bad? You're also admitting that this has nothing to do with the definition of the term "graduation" and that you are just a tribalfag that hates hololive and nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember, when you point your fingers at someone, three of them are pointing at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915811
unlike you, yes.
>>66915825
>in private.
exactly the problem. corpofaggotry prevents them from publicly acknowledging their previous characters, basically an N-year gap on their resume. but you probably have never even applied for a job so you wouldn't know...

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915811
>>66915891
Putting forth a critique about a specific part of a company isn't tribalfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915900
The entire "VShojo doesn't have graduations" is 100% tribalfagging, which is made funnier by it not being true

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915923
neither VShojo nor Mythic have graduations, your argument is null and void, keyfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915897
Wrong, my other three fingers point to the side

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915908
There is a world of difference between
>I don't like how graduations work in certain companies
and
>My favourite company doesn't have graduations (it does), suck it, fags
You understand this, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915900
>exactly the problem.
How is that a problem?
>corpofaggotry prevents them from publicly acknowledging their previous characters
Why do they need to do that? In this very thread some of your fellow retards claimed you care about the person beyond the vtuber but now you're arguing that actually they absolutely need the right to say "I was X from company A" in order to make it.
>you probably have never even applied for a job so you wouldn't know...
Job applications are not public, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915945
Kek
>>66912199

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915908
It is tribalfaggotry when all you're doing is saying vshojo good jp corpo bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915955
Good that I never said anything like your quote then.
But yeah I dislike how leaving the comapny works in Hololive, Nijisanji and VOMS and I like how it works in Vshojo, Mythic or any other company that doesn't hold the IP hostage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66916019
>Good that I never said anything like your quote then.
That's exactly what you've been saying the whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915985
>>66916043
I never said that, however.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what;s funnier. The Holofag pretending to play dumb with the definition of a word or the Vshill trying to explain to him like he will ever admit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915900
>basically an N-year gap on their resume
The only reason VShojo hired Nazuna, Matara, Kuro and Henya was because of their previous jobs. This is being deliberately disingenous

[Anonymous No.]

>>66915598
Nyanners left on good terms and still collabs with VShojo members. There is nothing stopping her from coming back once her Mythic contract ends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66916052
Yes you did. You still haven't been able to admit that Vshojo had graduations without adding some bullshit either before or after it.

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>>66916084
Proof next thread?

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>>66915676
>If graduations were just equal to leaving with no further negative consequences then nobody would have a problem with it
In chuuba terms the word -graduation- means that the model and character is more or less permanently retired.

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>>66916090
Nazuna's bio was posted in this thread, anon. But you probably can't read Japanese.

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>>66916090
>Sure if you want to play that game then Vshojo had graduations but no graduations where the talent lost their IP, their model, their assets nor their achievements and can continue to talk about their time before graduation in Vshojo, unlike in Hololive or Nijisanji. Are you happy now?
This was after several hours of claiming that vshojo didn't have graduations.

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>>66915682
Nazuna was her attempt to get closer to her English-speaking audience. She didn't got the numbers she wanted, was ghosted by Nazuna and finally got a way better contract with PonyCanyon.

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>>66915956
>In this very thread some of your fellow retards claimed you care about the person beyond the vtuber
we do indeed
>but now you're arguing that actually they absolutely need the right to say "I was X from company A" in order to make it.
not "to make it" but to not have 3 years down the drain and having to start over because of a fucking NDA.
>Job applications are not public
reading comprehension much?
>>66915983
disproven by at least 10 anons just ITT by now.
but hey, if you wanna deny reality and follow your BPD whore oshi down the deep end, be my guest.
>>66916062
yet they still had to re-build their audiences. what's your IQ, 82?

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>>66916107
Don't tell that to me. That's how I think about graduation too.

>>66916108
So was Vshojo's statement regarding it. But you continue to ignore it.

>>66916118
Because you a being pendantic and I say Hololive or Nijisanji are bad besides the fact that I do not like how graduations work with them.

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>>66916108
Nazuna graduated herself.

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>>66916151
>we do indeed
You clearly don't.
>3 years down the drain and having to start over because of a fucking NDA.
Nobody is starting over.
>reading comprehension much?
You said there's a problem with them not being able to public talk about their past work and then said I have never applied for a job. Yhere is no gap because they can and will talk about their work in private.

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>>66911525
So can a 2view noname indie join this corpo? Oh it an exclusive club for famous people only. Vshojo is a club for rich and famous and not an actual talent management. And you wonder why people don't take them seriously.

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>>66916149
ghosted by Henya*

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>>66916156
>you a being pendantic
But you're the one being pedantic. Vshojo had graduations and you refused to acknowledge that for about three hours. Evens now you still haven't been able to say "Vshojo had graduations" without adding some bullshit extra to attempt to claim that actually they didn't have graduations.

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>>66916151
>disproven
It's like one or two anons and they just called her a liar.
>BDP
Oh, you're that schizo. Kek
>yet they still had to re-build their audiences
This is irrelevant because the claim was "they have a blank in their employment history" which is clearly not true, or else VShojo would have never hired them

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>>66916234
Froot joined without an audience. Haruka and Geega got in via auditions.

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>"us vshojo chads care about the people behind the vtubers"
>"that bitch that left vshojo? what a BPD whore"

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>>66916280
>Evens now you still haven't been able to say "Vshojo had graduations" without adding some bullshit extra to attempt to claim that actually they didn't have graduations.
I already explained my issue with it multiple times. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the differences.

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>>66916280
NTA. VShojo hasn't graduated anyone. Everyone left of their own volition and kept their characters. Nazuna could come back as a solo act if she wanted.

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>>66916293
NTA but
>Froot
This is fine, but seems to be the exception
>Haruka, Geega
Weren't they both 3views before joining? Or are we pretending that 3views are nobodies now?

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>>66916331
Hell, any of the 4 that left could rejoin VShojo at any point

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>>66916333
I think they were 4views. Turns out successful people have a better curriculum.

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>>66916331
You can graduate on your own terms but it's still a graduation because they "graduate". This isn't rocket science.

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>>66915324
Deal w/ it, W*stern tubers deserve to be cut down a size.

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>>66916293
3view on twitch is not a noname you know. Also they are orbitor that have been known for years

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>>66916329
>You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the differences.
Again, that's you. OP states vshojo had no graduations and when it was pointed out that vshojo actually did have graduations you started spraying your mental diarrhea all over the thread.

>>66916331
>VShojo hasn't graduated anyone.
Nazuna graduated.
>Everyone left of their own volition
That's what graduation is.
>kept their characters
This has nothing to do with graduating.

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>>66916331
They still have had graduations and you're needlessly spitting hairs over this non existent argument

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>>66916361
The characters cease to exist in the case of Hololive and Nigrosanji. People loved Coco and Nina's models, and those are gone forever.

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>>66916420
They had no graduations like Hololive, VOMS and Nijisanji practice them, that's correct.

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>>66916394
I think Froot wasn't even a streamer when she joined.

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>>66916222
>You clearly don't.
wrong on all grounds.
>Nobody is starting over.
they have to create new social media accounts and can't just rename the old ones.
>there's a problem with them not being able to public talk about their past work
indeed there is. if they were allowed to mention their past works in their debuts they'd get their audience back overnight.
>>66916247
another lie by michael. /999/ archives have the proof it was the other way around, but I guess michael will sue 4chan archives next lmfao
>>66916285
>can't even spell BPD
michael ain't sending her best
>which is clearly not true
you should ask Sayu about it, faggot. oh wait, you haven't even heard about her, I wonder why...

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>>66916453
And? That has nothing to do with the definition of the term "graduation".

>>66916467
Vshojo did have graduations.

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>>66916453
That's a separate issue. Keeping your IP doesn't magically mean that you didn't graduate.

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>>66916331
>Nazuna could come back as a solo act if she wanted.
Lol, and giving vshojo a free ads nothing?There a reason why nazuna ip is cheap, she doesn't owned any merch right.

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>>66916420
>Nazuna graduated
Nazuna graduated herself. She decided to retire the character herself.>>66916427

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>>66916486
>Vshojo did have graduations.
Not as people here understand it, nope.

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>>66916481
>wrong on all grounds.
I'm proven right by your pure seething hatred for Nazuna.
>they have to create new social media accounts and can't just rename the old ones.
Oh no, the horror! Yeah no shit they can't just rename an account that's not theirs.
>if they were allowed to mention their past works in their debuts they'd get their audience back overnight.
No they fucking wouldn't.

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>>66916526
>Nazuna graduated herself.
She isn't self employed, she can't "graduate" herself
She graduated from VShojo = VShojo has had a graduation.

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I like Henya she's fun :)

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>>66916526
>Nazuna graduated herself.
Just like how anyone that graduates are doing it themselves.

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>>66916526
>Nazuna graduated herself.
Are you confusing "graduating" with "being fired"?

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>>66916331
>Nazuna could come back as a solo act if she wanted.
Lol, and giving vshojo a free ads for nothing? There a reason why nazuna ip is cheap, she doesn't owned any merch right, it's just an avatar. It's like giving a famous person a free suit for being a walking advertisement. Heck yeah you want her to use vshojo avatar for free.

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>>66916486
>That has nothing to do with the definition of the term "graduation"
When it comes to VTubers the semantic field of <graduation> necessarily includes the idea of retiring the character. This was permanently engraved in the collective consciousness of the linguistic community by famous graduations, like those of Coco and Kizuna.

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>>66916578
Nazuna had the choice to leave and continue to use Nazuna as she pleases. That's the difference to leaving from most other JP corpos who own the IP and will keep it even if the person would like to continue to use it.

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>>66916522
She got the merch rights back when she quit VShojo.

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>>66916617
But she owns her merch rights.

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>>66916623
>When it comes to VTubers the semantic field of <graduation> necessarily includes the idea of retiring the character
No, it doesn't. You're mixing up several things.
The reason they retire the character is because they're quitting the company. But that doesn't mean that all graduations are forced to have this, as proven by the anon mentioning other smaller agencies who have had graduations where the talents were allowed to keep their ips.
This is drivel

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>>66916635
Your point is true. However, it's still a graduation.
She graduated from VShojo. That's why her profile says vshojo卒業

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>>66916623
>When it comes to VTubers the semantic field of <graduation> necessarily includes the idea of retiring the character.
No it doesn't. This has been proven several times in this thread.
>This was permanently engraved in the collective consciousness of the linguistic community by famous graduations, like those of Coco and Kizuna.
You're trying to LARP so hard as a based non-tribal oldfag. Kizuna did not graduate nor is the character retired.

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>>66916545
>I'm proven right by your pure seething hatred for Nazuna.
maybe she shouldn't've thrown false accusations at Henya whilst quitting? and while we're at it, maybe you keyfags shouldn't've continued her gaslighting here and especially in our thread.
actions have consequences, keyfag. your oshi torched the bridge, don't be salty when we don't want to build it back.
>Yeah no shit they can't just rename an account that's not theirs.
thanks for proving my point.

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>>66907517
Don't use Henya for your bait threads you fucking faggot.

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>>66916668
The semantic field is established by the wider community. Whatever happened in the Tsunderia brothel is but a speck of lint on the penis of an alien compared with a major event like Coco's graduation.

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>>66916754
We know the collab invite went through Mikeneko, though.
Did Henya check specifically to see if Mikeneko contacted her or did she just check Nazuna and call it a day?

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>>66916704
>Your point is true.
You could have stopped there.
I take my win and goodbye.

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>>66916791
The wider EN vtuber community is stupid, though, especially when one former VShojo member outright called it a graduation.

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>>66916754
>thanks for proving my point.
I "proved" your point which has done nothing to prove that vshojo had no graduations.

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>>66908370
>>66912258
OP is obviously a false flagging cunt trying to stir shit up.

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>>66916742
I am not pretending to be an oldfag. Exactly the opposite is true, I knew about those two graduations despite not being a regular fan of VTubers at the time. That's how big those events were, they broke containment. That's how true semantic meaning is formed, not by random retards on a threadreading forum, but by the community at large.

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>>66916791
This "wider community" you're talking about is exclusively vshojotards and other ENtuber fans.
You talk like someone whose only knowledge about vtubers comes from that Vei clip from 2020.

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>>66916859
>The wider EN vtuber community is stupid
It applies even more to JP where the community is dominated by Hololove and Nijisanji.

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>>66916932
>I knew about those two graduations
But Kizuna did not graduate.

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>>66916932
If the community at large wants to ignore what a former VShojo streamer calls her own departure from the group, why would anyone take that community seriously? This is a logical fallacy: an ad populum fallacy. This is 100% dishonest

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>>66916794
>>We know the collab invite went through Mikeneko
Henya has always had her DMs closed, you can thank the harassment campaign against her PL.
>if Mikeneko contacted her
maybe she should've told Henya about it on her Nazuna account first as to not get auto-filtered by the platforms. there was a rrat (without proof I have to say) claiming she even blocked Henya as Nazuna once

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>>66916939
Well EN and JP speak literally different languages. It's two different linguistic communities.

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>>66916922
See >>66907842, OP is a SEAfag

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>>66917050
Miguel was talking about that collab invite for about 4 months, on and off. The idea that it's fake is pretty much impossible.
She didn't go into much details about exactly what she did. I mean, if Henya wants to ignore Mikeneko, that's on her. I don't even care much for collabs to begin with

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>>66917014
Semantics is a popularity contest.

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>>66916922
The OPs intentions and identity don't matter if genuine vshojo fans agree with the point.

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>>66917095
>The idea that it's fake is pretty much impossible.
Why? Because she said it? Need I remind you she also said she wouldn't collab with a male?

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>>66917191
keyfags eternally BTFO
>Verification not required.

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>>66917191
I know her personality and if she's ruminating over something for months on end, it's basically 100% true
Like that one Holo manager who was spreading rrats about the Holo girls. That actually ended up being true even though people were shitting on her when she first brought it up

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>>66916704
graduated vtubers don't stream anymore. graduating is when you retire the character.

none of the ex-vshojos are graduated.

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>>66915274
Yikes they couldn’t even win a fan voted award

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>>66917362
Except for all of the graduations where they're allowed to keep their IPs, obviously?
>12/31 vshojo卒業

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>>66917362
>graduated vtubers don't stream anymore. graduating is when you retire the character.
Wrong.

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>>66917412
no i'm right

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>>66917519
You're wrong because there's plenty of vtubers that graduated and still stream.

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>>66917550
under the same character? no. therefore anon was right and you're wrong.

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>>66917589
Yes >>66914515

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>>66917602
>one JP corpo using the wrong term

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>>66917589
>under the same character? no.
Good job on once again demonstrating that vshojo fans do not like vtubers.

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>>66917617
>still so desperate to win his retarded argument that's he's ignoring an official statement from a JP corpo

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>>66917636
some intern on twitter isn't the voice of the community. he used it wrong. graduating is the retiring of the character.