/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

This whole NDA getting fired/kicked sounds like a whole lotta bullshit, she was literally streaming yesterday about future aspects with collabs. How does a mega corp not know how to conduct proper investigation and immediately leads to getting fired. Not to mention NOTHING GOT LEAKED

Literally nothing got leaked.

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for telling us you never held a job that required an NDA.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji lied again , what you expect.

[Anonymous No.]

Here anon
Reasons to fire Mel:
>None
Do you see? she ain't menhera, she ain't a backstabber, she's just a sweet girl
>Exactly!! that's-
But she broke her contract, you can call this copo bootlicking all you want but reality is if you breach the contract then you're fucked anywhere in the world, what you should be asking is who the fuck snitched on Mel

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
I believe that there was a leak of information but exclusively in its environment

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>Literally nothing got leaked.
Leaked to the public =/= leaked to third-party individuals

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
>required an NDA.
never held a job was enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
>here's our nda
>don't talk about your job
>accidently talked about which iphone is used
>get fired

Lmao, boot licking is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

she told her therapist about the stalking incident and cover retaliated

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862288
You mean who framed Mel and it's obviously the e-celebs from vcr gta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862378
tsmt

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
I work in a NDA-heavy industry and literally nobody ever got fired for NDA breaches, I'm starting to believe these posts are written by the jobless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862376
>never worked a day in his life

[Anonymous No.]

You have to be 18+ to post on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862288
that IS the definition of corpo bootlicking LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862288
I mean, if Cover controls or at least patrols the girls' communications on their Holo persona, then nothing needs to be snitched as they just saw it first hand.
Now, if they aren't Konami tier, then maybe another girl did it or the one who got the leak said it to Cover just to wash their hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
Yea but you probably worked for a government contractor or something lame where secrets don't really matter. These are singing anime women. It's serious shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
seriously. nda shit only gets enforced if you leaked shit that harms the company or pisses someone off higher up

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>>66862288

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>>66862439
yea McDonald not gonna bother firing you for leaking the ingredients of the secret sauce.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862553
>>66862608
>>66862439
Please plug "Japanese corporate culture" into your equations and realize they take themselves more seriously than Lockheed Martin for no reason beyond a retarded notion of loyalty to the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
for real

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>>66862621
nice picture of Nijifag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
it does not have to leak to you for it to be considered leaked
the world does not revolve around you anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
>I work in a NDA-heavy industry
I seriously doubt whatever industry you work in is similar to a Japanese corporation that manages anime idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862660
300% this. There is no other reason other than bullshit Japanese corpo tradition.

[Anonymous No.]

Mel became a liability the second she came forward about her manager raping her. I love Hololive and I hope this snitch rots

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862803
Nice Astroturf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>>66862250
>>66862288
>As a result, we have determined that it has become difficult to continue managing and supporting her and have elected to make this decision
This implies that they didn't have to fire her for this NDA breach, but decided it would be in their best interest to do so
What could be both big enough to justify such a severe response and small enough that they can entirely cover it up?

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>>66862803
i dont watch holo or niji, just indies, but even i can tell you're a false flag troll, anon find better things to do with your life than going to religious battles over fictional anime girl companies, what you're doing is doing absolutely nothing to better your life and is actively doing self harm to your soul, there is no point in these silly fan wars

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>>66863017
>>66862378

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863017
you're reading too much into the phrasing of a japanese corporate termination letter

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
They're basically just designed to prevent corporate espionage. They might enforce it if they wanted a reason to fire you though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
>Literally nobody
>Literally
See you either can’t speak English which means your opinion is invalid or you’re lying and on this site both could be true. I could probably prove you wrong with a 10 second google search

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863143
That’s exactly what they’re designed for

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863017
I think it's implied that she realized how much she fucked up and was presented with the fact that it's probably so damaging (in terms of legality/contract breach) that severe consequences would be applied, so she decided with management to terminate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
Dunno man. The guy i've worked with leaked some info on instagram and got his ass handed to him. Turns out "they" were using some machine to constantly check accounts of people who work here. Of course, i've heard this from our boss because we drink together sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>nothing got leaked
>Why didn't Cover go into detail about the private info Mel was exposing?
End yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863017
Some anon had a theory, it was that Mel did a big no-no and they were willing to overlook it BUT the catch was that she was gonna be monitored 24/7 and no sensitive info about Holo stuff would be given to her.
Now what does No sensitive info about Holo would be? concerts, projects, sololives, etc. So effectively the deal was ''you stay but you ain't never ever gonna participate on those again because we don't trust you with the info'' so she decided to terminate her contract rather than be an outcast.

[Anonymous No.]

From the information I got here and there, Cover bought and is operating in secret a famous doxxing website, allowing them to know who leaks what and to pull strings in the shadow.

[Anonymous No.]

Do they really have to delete her channel though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863074
you're too wise for this board anon

[Anonymous No.]

>work for incredibly lax company that allows you to be as lazy as you want and take indefinite hiatuses for "tummy hort" lies as much as you want
>the ONE rule they enforce is "don't leak sensitive information to your disgusting gaggle of fratboy normalfag clique 'friends' you stupid fuck"
>leak sensitive information to your disgusting gaggle of fratboy normalfag clique 'friends'

Deserves to get fired on principle. Stupid cunt.

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>>66862803
Fuck off false flag retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
I also work in a tech industry where new innovations are being developed almost daily.
Our corpo would fuck you in the ass with a 100 foot pole if you broke NDA and shared any information about said tech. I had my lawyer look over my contract because it was fucking packed, and she basically told me that everything is ironclad and the NDA was not to be broken under any circumstance, and divulging information to non-nationals was presented with the threat of incarceration.
It definitely does depend on your line of work, some corpos prefer the smack on the wrist over anything permanent.
However, if in this case, Mel divulged personal information about company talents, that would be an appropriate grounds for legal termination, and as much as I would have loved her to stay and be given a second chance; if that was the case, I would probably terminate her as well.

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>>66863286
sounds plausible and would not be surprised if similiar deals have been made

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>t. never had a job

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862288
Kys kurolive bootlicker

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863203
See either you're ESL or you're dumb as shit. I could probably finish my explanation but I find it funnier to let you extrapolate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
Cover's a black company. Of course it's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863203
real english speakers know that literally is used for emphasis

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863308
Yes, it's part of the process of termination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863600
real english speakers know that figuratively is the grammatically proper adjective.
Literally in 90% of cases is used as an improper replacement for figuratively.
Literallyfags are literally just retarded.

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>>66863535
>>66862526
>>66862621
Too bad they closed the r/antiwork for you guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>Mel threatening to report harassment incident
>Manager made up stories to get her fired
Here we are

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863800
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863780
literally all native speakers know that slang. get a better english teacher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
Black corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863768
But is it something they actually have to do, or just tradition because that's how things are done?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
offtopic but I will never forget you fatto catto

[Anonymous No.]

You should be asking who the snitch was. Must have been paid off already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863967
On one hand I think I remember hearing that it had something to do with handling revenue from videos for a talent that got fired, and on another hand it's to enforce that if you get fired that means your personal dies as well.
And also because tradition.

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>>66863780
>Literally in 90% of cases
Do you have studies to back up that statistic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864049
>>66863967
Iirc the problem is monetization, and you can solve it IF the talent goes through each video demonetizing them or something like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863535
how much is niji paying you to spam same shit on multiple threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
I worked for a online business finance loaner, I had to sign and NDA as a filing clerk. Some dumbass I worked with violated it and got booted and basically black listed from working for any other loaning institution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863488
>>66863286
I have a feeling this is what happened to Haachama......

Honestly, Mel should have stayed if this is the rrat. It would be a long absence, but her fanbase would only grow fonder

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
>t. totally not a tranny falseflagging as a hololive watcher
Literally no one watched Mel, especially not your EOP asses, but now all of a sudden everyone is her bigges fan and is >defending her from teh evil corporation
>inb4 bootlicker
Pic rel
Get a job, tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
Each industry it's one. In my line of work if you break NDA you will never ever work in the same field ever again. and it's the good ending. But it barely ever happen, you know why? because people are smart enought to absolutly never do that. Saddly Vtuber, and mel in particular are not the smartest people who exist, and mel in particular is absolutly stupid, retard tier. And look what is the other who got fired over NDA, Rushia, same issue absolutly, hilariously, retarded mentaly. You should start to see a patern.

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>>66864227
Nah Haachama just ("just") pretended so hard to be mentally that she became one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863203
The ESL got his brown hands on copy of the AP style guide, huh? Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
>I work in an NDA heavy industry and no one I know breached their NDA
>that means Cover is lying about Mel breaching her NDA
Anon you're in critical need of a brain transplant

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>>66862250
Thanks for telling us you never even seen an NDA

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>>66864379
Eh, to be fair vtubers have more stuff they can unintentionally leak. Like of course she'd be retarded if she gave the real name/address of some other girl, but I don't think she did this as the girls were too nice to her for this (compare with Yuri from phase, Panko was very bitter about her). It probably was something as dumb as future plans like concerts, which despite dumb is very serious due to Cover being publicly traded.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to start a corp with FDA (full disclose agreement). If my talents aren't constantly leaking every secret in the corp they get fired on the spot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863850
Well, the sick thing is if Cover wanted to can her for that, this would be the perfect time. The statue of limitations for a breach of contract which Mel experienced with harassment is 5 years if it has been recognized the breach and it seems like it would be about that amount of time.
https://www.dlapiperrealworld.com/law/index.html?t=construction&s=liability&c=JP
That being said, shit is dumb to do especially when the talent is making you money with minimal investment. There is no reason to fire her unless she did violate NDAs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862660
Please plug yourself out of life.

Japanese corporate culture is where companies actively try to find reasons not to fire people, because firing people is a fucking nightmare in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862376
>break contract
>get shitcanned
>THIS IS UNFAIR

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
>>66862439
duality of men

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863438
Fake as fuck. NDA's are a 3-4 sentence paragraph that are typically vague as fuck, even in highly sensitive industries such as government work. It's not an itemized list multipage document.

[Anonymous No.]

licking the boot doesn't change the fact that hololive doesn't have anything so secret that it's worth destroying their image over. they're video game streamers who do a couple concerts every year lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863800
Cover was probably right in this case, but there is absolutely way too much corporate bootlicking on 4chan. Just look at the console war bullshit that has even spread to /a/ in the form for studio wars.

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>>66864599
>which despite dumb is very serious due to Cover being publicly traded.
New iphone shit gets leaked all the time, it's worthless for the most part and Apple doesn't get investigated. You have to have some real info to get hammered for NDA or if the company gets in trouble. So either Mel got real shit leaked, or it's just Japanese autism and face saving culture and such things didn't have to spiral out of control.

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>>66864735
>hololive doesn't have anything so secret that it's worth destroying their image over
Anon, they are a publicly traded company and they have stuff that would impact their stock price. They'll fire anyone with just cause if it means not breaking public securities laws for stuff like insider trading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864818
oh fuck i completely forgot cover sold out, sorry. thank god the shareholders are being looked after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864080
Yeah I used samples from this imageboard as an example. Thousands of users partake in the incorrect usage of literally. It's a travesty.

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>>66864818
>Anon, they are a publicly traded company and they have stuff that would impact their stock price. They'll fire anyone with just cause if it means not breaking public securities laws for stuff like insider trading.
Not how stock market works

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864788
How many people are involved in iphones vs how many are involved in holo leaking a concert?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864606
ah yes, the Gaping Anus model of information security

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864788
>he thinks Apple won't instantly terminate an employee if they're caught leaking information
Holy fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864712
Careful anon, I've had 1-page NDAs and 20-page NDAs. Same job, different companies.
The 1-page NDA was from a smaller company and did the job just fine. The 20-page one said the same thing but needed an entire chapter of corpo fanfiction to phrase it eighteen different ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864948
Dude's talking about being a software engineer and paying a lawyer to read the NDA, already laughable. It's a fake af story. He couldn't even show the NDA to a lawyer without already violating it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865015
now you are bullshitting kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864870
I need a peer reviewed, scientific report outlining the methods used. Anything less is an incorrect use of statistics, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864888
>Not how stock market works
Tell me then, all knowing one, how you think it works. Because most assuredly, you have zero idea how it works and haven't worked for a company that is public on the stock market who has done training for all employees on this which I have experienced. You are delusional if you think public securities laws are a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

today has been a lot of assumptions with nobody really knowing the whole story. it was two-side termination, which means that Mel also agreed to it. in the case, the NDA stuff she broke was either so bad, that it was not worth disputing in court and she got caught red-handed, or she wants to part with the company on good terms and be hopeful they invite her back.

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>>66865087
Ok next time you sign an NDA, make sure to explain to the company that you had your lawyer review it. Let's see how that works out for you.

Even if they were ok with it, no fucking software engineer is hiring a lawyer to read one for them. Like it doesn't even accomplish anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864895
The same proportions really, concert planning isn't one person and neither is creating an iphone, so it could be anyone, the question is why is it Mel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865131
>axshually anon stock markets

stopped reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864948
I'd post my NDA here to shut up some of these retards if it wasn't ironically a violation of the NDA. There's plenty of NDA templates out there though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865148
I subscribe to the theory that they didn't want to really terminate her, but keeping her on would mean she would be neutered in terms of activity participation and collabs, etc.
Either stay in Hololive as a pariah, or leave and pursue new opportunities.

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>>66865148
>it was two-side termination, which means that Mel also agreed to it
that's just meaningless corpospeak. if she didn't agree she'd still be fired and the only difference would be they would drag her name through the mud as bad as they did to rushia and zaion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864667
Yagoo's ass must be good like riku's if you like to suck harder kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865015
You're a dumbass. (The guy getting his deskjob NDA reviewed by a lawyer is also a dumbass)
>>66865149
This guy is an even greater dumbass. He would probably report his own crimes to the police.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865252
Actually in Japan it just means she wouldn't get severance until the labor union and commissions reviewed her case (takes about 2 years). Anything the corpo does to make her lose face she'd get back in defamation suits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864735
What so secret about holoshit? Some of their talents are whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865308
boku no contradicting yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865015
>Signing an agreement without having a professional review it.
When's the last time you signed something that wasn't your mother's credit card?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864870
>autism over how literally is used
Terrific is a word used to express something amazing. The original meaning of the word was "something which strikes terror".
Language and words evolve with time, retard. Nowadays literally is used for emphasis. It's just how the world works. Now take your medication.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865015
The NDA itself doen't specifically reveal the information protected in the contract, and part of contract law is the fact that both parties can have legal counsel to get advice from before signing and that would be fine and in everyone's best interest to keep the agreement. It's not a situation where a company can have all the legal counsel in the world to write and draft the agreement and you have no choice but to sign without getting any legal advice. Client-attorney privilege and other legal regulations also keeps it safe so any lawyer who reveals their client's NDA terms and such publicly loses their license.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865423
>nonfigurative adjective
>almost always used figuratively
then why the fuck don't you absolute bottom feeders use figuratively? why repurpse a word that already has a proper meaning and is already used in the proper grammatical format?
Are you all just braindead retards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865361
>break an NDA before signing it
Explain it to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865015
The NDA doesn't tell you anything sensitive, fucking retard. Why the hell would they let you read it before signing it?

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: mcdonalds employees and neets that think all people in white collar jobs have lawyers review every piece of paper

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865148
I too would try to leave in good terms if the other option was financial rape by cover's lawyers.
Its called hush money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865432
In his case, he's openly saying it did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865627
When you finally realize how retarded your comment is, you'll accuse us of moving the goalposts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865432
One interesting thing I learned in school about contract law is that you're allowed to basically redline any contract that is handed to you. Some guy made a ton of money off a corp because they didn't read the amendments he made to it and just accepted it as is. I'm an engineer, but that one class I took in contract law really stuck with me. It's also revealing how everyone in this board is absolutely clueless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865689
>financial rape by cover's lawyers.
wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865528
>then why the fuck don't you absolute bottom feeders use figuratively?
because it does not have the emphasis of literally you dumb ass esl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865528
Look up the word "hyperbole" brown-kun. That's why literally is used "incorrectly"

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865744
>t. retard who failed/didn't even attend english class

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865734
NDA isn't a contract. It's amazing how dumb all of you are regarding this.

>>66865714
When I've been a white collar worker for 15+ years and I've literally never seen a person have a lawyer review their NDA? Ok, I'll wait for that to happen.

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>>66865627
You should if you work in a high enough paying job like technology which I do and you would be a fool not to. I can understand if someone doesn't care about their minimum wage fast food job and will play things fast and loose but signing things that you don't fully understand everything that is inside a legal document is dumb in real life and you should never do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865804
I already make enough to buy your family.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865804
I just read the documents myself, they're not that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865790
>NDA isn't a contract
It's what you sign before the contract, as the contract will indeed state sensitive information regarding the job. The NDA needs to be signed so you don't reveal said information when you receive it.
Fucking rocket science, right???

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865781
you're literally mentally disabled anon.
where is your handler, i need to file my complaints to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865804
>high enough paying job like technology which I do
yes this definitely sounds true

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865781
literally the worst english speaker on this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865883
An NDA is included in the contract, it's not the contract itself....Seriously people are you this unemployed? A separate NDA is sometimes given when you're leaving, but it's also not a contract, it's a separation agreement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865790
What do you think NDA stands for? It's a legal contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865314
the billion dollar corporation isn't gonna lose any lawsuits to randos, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865956
At my job they give you the NDA first because of the exact situation. The contract details work info and material handling among other things, you CANNOT view that material without signing an NDA first.
I'm not saying that's the contract standard for every workplace. I'm saying that it is a circumstance you could possibly find yourself in depending on the job, as I have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865967
>Non Disclosure Agreement
>Agreement

An agreement isn't a contract, it's an acknowledgement. Contracts for employment will typically include an NDA disclosure, and signing the contract acknowledges that you read it and agree to all matters in the contract, not just the NDA. Individual NDA's are only in cases typically when you are consulting with someone or entity that you provide before discussing potential work/sales/investment options. It's extremely rare for people to ever even see this one, and again it's always EXTREMELY vague.

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>>66865148
A two sided termination doesn't mean anything in Japan because a lot of corpos will blacklist a employee that leaves on bad terms. Mel not wanting to cause any trouble for Hololive might only indicate that she intends to be a indie vtuber that can get sponsorship deals.

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>>66866078
>A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), also known as a confidentiality agreement (CA), confidential disclosure agreement (CDA), proprietary information agreement (PIA), or secrecy agreement (SA), is a legal contract or part of a contract between at least two parties that outlines confidential material, knowledge, or information that the parties wish to share with one another for certain purposes, but wish to restrict access to.
??

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866044
The japanese government doesn't give a fuck how much money a company has. Termination is taken extremely seriously here. Japanese government might even be tougher on a billion dollar corporation because they're expected to know better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866078
What? Anyone working with protected information is subject to an NDA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866111
>or part of a contract

You literally agreed with me, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nothing was leaked therefore it is a lie!
Listen you fucking shit for brains, let me draw up a scenario for you.
>Mel: "Holy shit I'll be working on a big project soon!"
>Random faggot in DMs: "Nice, what is it?"
>Mel: "Honeyworks is collabing with Hololive and I'll get a song!"

>Manager checks Mel's DMs for some reason
There. NDA breach despite it never being leaked into the public and Mel gets the stake.
Afterwards Cover's lawyers talks to this random faggot and tell them they will absolutely fuck them up if they leak it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866164
>ignores the description preceding your greentext
Alright you can stop pretending to be retarded now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
she got raped by a higher up and she wasn't playing ball, they had to get rid of her

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>>66866139
>Anyone working is subject to an NDA.

FYP

Also doesn't change what I said at all. For regular employees 99 times out 100 the NDA is simply part of their employment contract, it's not a separate contract itself. I can only remember one time where it wasn't, and that was only when I was joining an early stage start up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866078
It's just semantics at that point. The NDA can be a standalone contract or part of a broader employment contract. If two parties agree to something and sign, it's a contract. In the actual legal sense, you don't even need signatures, verbal agreements still count as contracts though they are difficult to enforce.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866201
Read my post again retard. I literally said it can be separate but it's rare. <0.0001% on this board will ever be in a situation where they see a separate NDA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864659
its really funny how people talk about it when in reality japanese will do everything to annoy the fuck out of you and make you quit by yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866293
Damn, it's that rare? I feel special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866293
Pretty sure it's more common than that. It's just one of the stack of papers that you sign when you onboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866268
>verbal agreements still count as contracts though they are difficult to enforce.
Hell, even emoji can be contract agreement, Canada just ruled on it last year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/world/canada/canada-thumbs-up-emoji-contract.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866268
>It's just semantics at that point.
It's really not.

>The NDA can be a standalone contract or part of a broader employment contract

Which is literally what I said you fucking retard

>verbal agreements still count as contracts though

Not for NDA's.

>(verbal agreements) they are difficult to enforce

not really, they're actually easier to enforce than NDA's

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866293
>AgReEmEnTs ArEnT cOnTrAcTs, ItS aN aCkNoWlEdGeMeNt!
>Actually they can absolutely be contracts, I've seen it.
So what is it? Are you going to keep arguing and being retarded or just admit you're wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
Fpbp and /thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866078
NDAs are legally binding contracts.
Contracts generally are Agreements, I as an individual can serve someone an NDA to anybody about any information that they either already know or are about to know and providing there was a lawyer present it would be legally binding assuming that they signed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866357
>It's just one of the stack of papers that you sign when you onboard.
100%

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865790
I'm in contract law and we review (and draft) NDAs all the time.
Quit being retarded on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think she would get fired for something insignificant, and yet I don't really see her maliciously screwing up. I imagine they would be lenient if they could, given her seniority. Whatever the information she revealed was, I simultaneously hope it was big enough to warrant this reaction, but also not something that would hurt the other talents. I hope she speaks a little about this on her RM account, not specifics, but more in the realms of "It was actually my fault" or "This is bullshit". Just enough to nudge us in the right direction so we're not just guessing whether or not it was justified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866340
Your mother definitely thinks so

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866078
holy retard

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>>66862129
>How does a mega corp not know how to conduct proper investigation and immediately leads to getting fired.
That you don't have an answer to this question suggests that they did have a good reason, given that terminating a talent incurs financial and PR costs. Not every damaging leak is public, and you don't know how often Mel was warned in private.

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>>66866383
It's still not a contract. It's an acknowledgement. A contract legally needs to have consideration. This is why they put NDA's in employment contracts, because the consideration is your employment. A standalone NDA has no consideration, so it is not a contract by definition.

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>>66866395
see
>>66866498

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>>66866435
Cover were gracious enough to publish a good-bye message later from Mel to her fans even though they wouldn't allow her a graduation (which should've been part of the announcement so speculation wouldn't have flew all around) and that confirms that it was not a malicious Rushia situation but that it was a legal situation that led to her termination.

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>>66866498
It's literally defined as a legal contract.
You obviously have never worked a day in your life. Even KFC has NDAs to prevent you from leaking their spice recipes.
Get a job, get some experience, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866498
Nah, lil' homie. It was a document to be signed as part of the onboarding process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866554
Right, and while I believe that these were her feelings on the matter, if they decided to lie about this message being from her, we wouldn't know unless she clarifies on RM.

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>>66866566
>Under the benefit-detriment theory, an adequate consideration exists only when a promise made to the benefit of the promisor or to the detriment of the promisee, which reasonably and fairly induces the promisor to make a promise for something else for the promisee.

Legal requirement for something to be considered a contract. NDA's are one sided, they alone do not contain consideration. They are Agreements, not contracts, which are legally very different things enforced in very different ways.

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>>66862129
>leak third party collaboration stuff like honeyworks to some vcr ecelebs cause you're naive or you want to look cool to them
>one of them snitches or it gets around to honeyworks somehow
>they have a contract with cover
>no choice but to terminate her over it

simple

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>>66865156
Someone snitched on her obviously

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>>66866575
Yes, and if it was not listed in your onboarding contract as an agreement, and you signed it, you are not bound by it as you would be a contract. The reason why it's listed, in your contract, is because that allows the company to state that your consideration is your employment there. An NDA without a separate contract is basically worthless.

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>>66866630
NDAs are legally binding and can be met with legal action upon breaking it.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? This is shit literally coming out of your ass.
I honestly hope you get fucked over by an NDA because "iTs JuSt An AgReEmEnT!"

[Anonymous No.]

TLDR: It was Mel's fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866755
I didn't say they aren't legally binding, I said they are enforced differently than a legally defined contract. Though if you can't even read that, can't really expect you to be able to read an NDA

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>>66866630
NTA but NDAs can be two or more sided, it doesn't have to be unilateral. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how you slice the onion here on semantics, NDAs have legal power in most legal jurisdictions. Otherwise, why wouldn't people violate it more brazenly everyday? We would see more court cases where the NDA breaker wins and we wouldn't see shit like people getting canned for their kids Tiktoking in their offices as it was in the case of Apple.

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>>66862250
yeah no shit, most people never held a job like that you fucking corporate mongoloid wagie

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>>66866863
I never said they couldn't. I simply said for it to be considered a contract, it has to have consideration. Here:

https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/4-things-to-know-about-non-disclosure-agreements

"When are non-disclosure agreements signed by employees enforceable?
While the rules can certainly vary from state to state, most jurisdictions consider non-disclosure agreements to be enforceable as long as they are drafted and executed properly.

For example, the agreement must be supported by consideration — which is the legal way of saying that there was a "bargain for exchange" between the parties, such as something bargained for and received by a promisor from a promisee."

It goes on to list that consideration can be the employment itself. Which I already stated is why it is listed in the employment contract rather than simply being provided standalone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866933
Most jobs require some form of NDA, so have you just never had a job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866933
Better than being an Angloid worthless parasitic mother's basement dwelling NEET

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866965
LMAO it literally say on that page:

>Breach of the contract (such as the breach of NDA)

Jesus christ this anon.

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>>66867085
Good job, you proved me wrong by pointing out something entirely out of context. Maybe try reading what I literally just posted.

Again, a legal contract has CONSIDERATION. If there is no CONSIDERATION there is legally no contract.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care if she actually did breach her contract, if she did deserve to be fired, or if cover had a legal obligation to fire her. They still shouldn't have fired her.

[Anonymous No.]

>Want to do an irl meetup with some non-hololive vtuber
>ask them to pick her up after work at X location at Y time & date
>not thinking other hololive vtubers would've been there too, potentially getting doxxed
>staff catches wind of this
>when asked, mentions she did this in the past too
>staff ultimately deciding that she is too much of a liability for the other talents and terminate her and she agrees
rate my rrat

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>>66867144
You can be sued under contract law for violating an NDA, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66867351
If you had CONSIDERATION. If you did not have CONSIDERATION you cannot be sued.

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>>66867218
It's either something as dumb as this (not this) or a woman moment.

[Anonymous No.]

Too many jobless losers larping as high-level employees or legal experts in this thread holy shit

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>>66867218
0/10 everyone in this industry already knows who everyone else is. There's no case where a non-hololive vtuber going somewhere doxxes someone. They're already going to know each other, and even if they didn't, it's not like Marine looks like Marine in real life, so how tf they going to know it's Marine? Could literally just be some old hag.

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>>66867377
I think you are taking consideration too much into account like it somehow invalidates it as a contract or that it somehow magically defends you. If you get pushed into an office right now for your job and get forced into signing an NDA, like for example, you can no longer post reviews about your job or something even after you can legally review it and etc. which was not part of your employment contract upon joining, the company would need consideration like a bonus or benefits to execute it. But many times, the conditions of why the NDA is needed is sufficient to be consideration itself where it could be anything from employement to joint ventures or business alliances. That's why it is considered a contract if executed properly.

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>>66867868
>so how tf they going to know it's Marine
all she has to do is fucking open her mouth you retard

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>>66867218
The most credible rrat I've seen from the JP side and has been doing the rounds was that she had a retard moment and gave the real name of another holo talent to someone on the VCR server (some say that "someone" was Kotoka from niji), then said someone went to the holo talent in question calling them by their real name asking for confirmation. Holo talent in question then reported that to management.

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>>66867892
>I think you are taking consideration too much into account like it somehow invalidates it as a contract
A contract legally must have:
1. An offer
2. Consideration
3. Acceptance
4. Mutuality

If it lacks any of those components, it is legally not a contract. So yes, it does invalidate it.

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>>66868011
Do they know their real names? I would think that someone would eventually slip up if they did.

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>>66866755
You know, he actually sounds similiar to the one faggot that inhabits ggg. Makes similiar retarded arguments

[Anonymous No.]

>>66867923
The from my cock isn't that bad anon

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>>66862288
Why would she break her contract by leaking stuff even if by accident? how could that happen?

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>>66867892
>If you get pushed into an office right now for your job and get forced into signing an NDA

This is already legally a no.

>you can no longer post reviews about your job or something even after you can legally review it and etc.

Also legally a no because it's protected by employment law, but regardless of what you're saying your consideration in this case is your employment. And whether or not that's considered consideration legally, is actually determined state by state. In California this would not be legally binding but in Texas it would.

>But many times, the conditions of why the NDA is needed is sufficient to be consideration itself where it could be anything from employement to joint ventures or business alliances. That's why it is considered a contract if executed properly.

Which I've literally already fucking said in other posts. It needs to be executed properly, which is, rather than being a wholly separated document, is usually packaged into your employment contract itself. Which again is why you will never see an NDA wholly separate 99% of the time, because it lacks consideration. The NDA isn't just the NDA, it's the package of the NDA and the employment contract.

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>>66868218 (me)
The smell*
Fuck there goes my joke I hate phone posting so much

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>>66867892
>If you get pushed into an office right now for your job and get forced into signing an NDA
so many people are fucking retards and think a signed contract is a magic unbreakable spell
microwave yourself
NOW

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>>66868019
Okay, better wording for my intent. An NDA doesn't necessarily have to be a contract and in most of those cases, they are executed improperly, you can count the number of those in your hands probably if ever because certainly I have never seen an NDA like that. But the way NDAs are intended to be used in the corporate world nowadays and where most legal firms expect you to want to do is execute them is on the basis of a contract because that's where it has the maximum amount of power and where you have the most legal backing from the laws being clear cut and battle-tested.

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>>66868338
Yeah like they don't realize that NDA's are so fucking hard to enforce. Even if a company wanted to sue, they're in for an awful time.

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>>66868409
I don't think anyone is talking about enforcement, she's getting fired, not sued.

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>>66862129
Mel isn't that smart. I can see her talking to some of the people she's recently been collabing with from outside the company on discord and accidentally mentioning something like personal information of one of the other talents. Something like:
>Group: hey Mel, do you think we could set up a collab with X next week?
>Mel: I'll ask, but I think X is going somewhere with her husband next week.
Or some other kind of similar scenario where she's too comfortable with whomever she was talking with and mentions something she wasn't supposed to. If it involved details about something even worse, like a relationship between management/staff and a talent, then they would have personal reasons for wanting Mel gone.

There's no way she was intentionally leaking company secrets and so I think firing her over some accident without warning after 6 years of working together is simply too harsh and impersonal for a company like Cover that operates solely on the good will of fans and talents. Instead, her firing feels like an overreaction and was personally motivated by someone that wanted her gone after she accidentally mentioned something that would harm the reputation of management, another talent, or both if it were to get out.

When Rushia was terminated, they mentioned what kind of information she leaked that got her fired. But for Mel, Cover's released statement is purposefully vague. I can only imagine the reason they didn't specify the type of information that was leaked is because doing so would upset fans in some way. This whole situation is extremely suspicious and I find it hard to trust Cover, especially after their history with Mel in the past and because their statement is so conspicuously absent of anything meaningful. There seems to be some staff that are sympathetic with her because of what some of them tweeted and because they allowed Mel to make a farewell statement. So this feels like they're doing this to appease someone else rather than because they all actually want her gone.

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>>66868384
You're getting worse and worse that this. I mean first of all back to some of the original points

>An NDA is a contract!
No it's not a contract it's an agreement. It becomes a contract if it has consideration. Otherwise the contract is your employment contract which usually contains the NDA itself or a line along the lines of "And has agreed to the terms of the NDA" or "Contingent on reading and signing the NDA"

>An NDA is enforceable under contract law
If you didn't meet the original definition of a contract, you have no contract and it's not enforceable under contract law.

Now back to your post:

>you can count the number of those in your hands

Oh you'd be surprised.

>I have never seen an NDA like that

I still don't think you've even ever seen an NDA to be honest.

>But the way NDAs are intended to be used in the corporate world nowadays and where most legal firms expect you to want to do is execute them is on the basis of a contract because that's where it has the maximum amount of power and where you have the most legal backing from the laws being clear cut and battle-tested.

First part is like 50% right. Second part is 100% wrong. You don't suddenly have more legal backing. It's either a contract or it's not. And the contract is either enforceable or it's not. And in a lot of cases NDA's are not enforceable. Just because something is written in the NDA, doesn't mean it's legally valid. I could write "you're not allowed to ever say your age again" in the NDA. It doesn't make it enforceable.

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>>66868517
Yeah because the terms of the NDA played out in that manner. NDAs can also include a legal injunction clause where someone can take a case against you as additional remedy but for employment like in this case, termination is usually enough.

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>>66868517
Yeah and it's wrongful termination if they can't prove they terminated her for valid reasons. So if they're going to say it's NDA, that's enforcement of the NDA. In Japan the burden of proof is on the employer to show they terminated her for legal reasons. And that is a very steep mountain to climb in Japan, even with a violated NDA.

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>>66863780
No body uses figuratively even if that's proper grammar because people don't always adhere to proper grammar when talking. Ain't shit you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66869009
true af

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863800
Go back, Zhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>66868905
The talents aren't standard Cover employees though, I think they're contractors or something. Probably a lot easier to fire them.

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>>66868817
>because of what some of them tweeted
what did they tweet?

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>>66869137
No difference in Japan. For the period of the contract their employment status with the company is no different than a regular full time employee. The only difference is the benefits the company has to provide (paying taxes, insurance, etc). Even still this whole "they're contractors" thing has never been outright proven anyway. Regardless of whether or not it would matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864599
QRD on this Amaris Civil War?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66869329
>Even still this whole "they're contractors" thing has never been outright proven anyway.
They've discussed it in streams before, it's not a secret or anything. Not sure about what the exact employment relation is, but they don't consider themselves cover employees.

[Anonymous No.]

NDAs

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>>66865015
>signing a contract without legal advice
Lmao, what a dumbass. You might as well hand them your house deed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66869138
The Yagoo, A-chan, and Nodoka tweets thanking her for everything she's done. That's more than what they did for Rushia.

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>>66862376
>Here's how we make our secret sauce, remember you signed an NDA so you can tell anyone
>Tells someone
>I'm sorry but you breached your agreement we can no longer keep working with you
WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SO UNFAIR BLACK COMPANY!?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865149
They cannot deny you the right of legal counsel. If they terminate you or they don't hire you because you asked a lawyer to review the contract; you can sue the beejezus out of them.

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>>66870368
>The Yagoo, A-chan, and Nodoka tweets thanking her for everything she's done. That's more than what they did for Rushia.
Was that done for Mel or because they know fans are upset that she got fired with no explanation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864274
>"Literally" no one watched Mel
>She has a general in this very same board
Stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>66867868
You’re dumb stop parroting this shit. You said the same about pomu and kiara which wasn’t true, you’re probably the faggot that said the same thing about gura and iron mouse. They don’t know each other just because they are all on YouTube Sara has literally visited the hololive studio but her first time meeting marine was during a stream that marine called her for. They don’t even know everyone in their own company why would they know every one on YouTube

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
Cheer up its the last year before the end of the world anyways and likely nobody else will graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>66868850
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/non-disclosure_agreement_(nda)
https://www.colorado.edu/ocg/manage-awards/types-agreements/non-disclosure-agreements-ndas
https://ico.stanford.edu/stanford-researchers/agreement-types/nondisclosure-agreements

I felt 3 separate sources was easier than writing paragraphs. The internet really is incredible knowledge at your fingertips

[Anonymous No.]

>>66869329
>>66869421
Even in the ipo they are separate from the 300-400 cover employees

[Anonymous No.]

>>66872409
It’s a joint general that’s slow. Most of them are no different than you threadreaders

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>>66873988
>No one watches her!
>She has a general
>N-no! It's slow! And no one watches her either because I said so!
She's an unpopular chuuba that gets watched by a few people, just take the L

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865528
>enough people got it wrong for a long enough period of time that it is now considered right
this is how history works grandpa, i dont like it either but them's the breaks

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864788
>or it's just Japanese autism and face saving culture and such things didn't have to spiral out of control.
obviously it's this, Christ have you people forgotten what happens every time chinks get mildly offended by maps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
NDA is a like a catch all, and can be applied to about anyone.
Surely, Niji wouldn't do anything to their leaker.
Snowden did no wrong too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66874098
But you don’t watch her and the people in her “thread” don’t watch her. Or are you going to say that new yuko general is all her fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
if she had future collabs at the very least the bit about her "agressing" to it is just Japanese societal debt "agreeing"

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863203
you're literally a retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>66874253
It’s not considered right it’s why he called you a retard.

>>66864788
Here’s the difference it’s leaked anonymously by people using accounts that aren’t traceable unless you’re with the fbi or a big change is happening so they leak it early to get people to get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66864659
probably depends on the type of industry/employment, salarymen in big zaibatsu are hard to fire, idols have different contracts and laws that make them easy to control

[Anonymous No.]

>>66875476
No it means they found out about it that same day and cut her loose. Ironically the difference between her and rushia seems to be while not as bad it was definitely more concrete

[Anonymous No.]

>>66865148
yean two-sided that's why she had a normal stream yesterday with plans for the following month

[Anonymous No.]

>>66868011
Not enough for dismissal. I’m sure someone like Hoshikawa, Ui, Patra or Siro know lots of holomems real names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862621
watch out tranny Jannies will ban you for shitposting despite shitposting being the fucking reason this website exists

[Anonymous No.]

>>66866078
peak autism n1

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
Real example:
Uncle worked as a corporate lawyer. He would tell us all kinds of company gossip or the inner workings of decision making we weren't supposed to know. Not only did he never get fired or investigated, he retired with a pile of money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66875825
and I bet that they have signed NDA with Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862660
This is the right answer, anons are ignorant of how heavy-handed Japanese corporate culture really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>no one knows shit about what actually happened
>none of the shitposters ever watched Mel to begin with
>everyone talks as if they were lawyers aware of absolutely everything
She didn't throw a tantrum when she announced her termination, admitted that she fucked up somewhere, and everyone seemed saddened by the situation. We don't know shit about what got leaked, nor how, to who or when it was leaked, so making assumptions is dumb as fuck since we're not ever getting a word about it from Cover. I'd rather trust the people involved rather than random dudes on an anonymous image board, if I have to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66875235
everyone knows what snowden leaked, do you know what mel leaked?

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>>66878121
But where is the line drawn ?? We have talents like Nerissa who is speedrunning introducing Her entire family tree to been a Hololive employee and they most know Her RM too, Or Calli whose parents wear Her merch and tell ppl on the streets "see Her? This is my daughter" , I highly doubt Mel was aware of patented Cover tech the competition would want to get access on , So what was divulged??

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>>66878121
I would rather trust you know Mel. The person this happened to who said she fucked up and took it very professionally in a respectful manor and agreed with leaving on both sides agreements. It's really weird cause saying and doing this shit is the opposite of what she would want since it makes he look bad when she clearly handled it so well.
It makes me mad Mel handled this so well and retards who never had a job before come in going "Well you see I break NDA's all of the time" and stupid shit really throws out how professionally Mel handled the whole thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>66878121
Even the shit in your post is translated over from Japanese and prescreened by cover employees. Nobody knows anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862250
>a job that required an NDA
and said NDA is just literal essay

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862288
>But she broke her contract
they aren't firing holos like marine and pekora even if they accidentally broke it lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>66872267
it's because Mel was a founding member that nepo hired a bunch of their successful talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66880704
>But where is the line drawn?
The only thing you can learn about that from this incident is that there is a line, which you should already know from Rushia's case.

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>>66875825
I doubt that’s what happened but those are bad examples. They’ve collabed and been to cover’s studios. You have to sign contracts to do that so they would be on the other side

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/10ELxSLHNjY?si=MBPSpoc5fkb_sLPP
Example of Haachama implying Mel is too stupid to live

[Anonymous No.]

For those of you who haven't quite comprehended how utterly autistic Japan's legal system and corporate culture are...

Japanese NDAs
https://www.rippling.com/blog/non-disclosure-agreement-in-japan
>For an NDA to be enforceable in Japan, the agreement must explicitly define the confidential information, the obligation of confidentiality, and the consequences of breach.
Japanese companies NDA everything.
Especially if the "leaked data" was also classified as a trade secret, contract severance and significant financial penalties were defined explicitly.

Just google "Japan NDA" and see how insanely specific they are.

corpo imagetism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dkaiya
>specialized racketeers unique to Japan
>who extort money from or blackmail companies
>by threatening to publicly humiliate companies and their management, usually in their annual meeting
example:
>the banzai sōkaiya, who disrupt business places with their cries of "Banzai!" and praise of the Emperor until they are quietly paid to leave.
>Sōkaiya also form fake groups, announcing embarrassing company secrets, fictional or not, from loudspeakers mounted on trucks in order to extort money from companies

>sōkaiya acquire enough stock to gain entrance to a shareholders' meeting.
>they disrupt the meeting (and embarrass the company) until their demands are met.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66880704
>But where is the line drawn ??
the line is be popular enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862526
>Bootlicking is when you insist on abiding by the rules of the establishment

I'd tell you to neck yourself but you're probably too lazy to do thst

[Anonymous No.]

>>66882939
Broad NDAs are not exclusive to Japan. Most companies define everything that occurs in the workplace and during business hours as confidential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883579
>Bootlicking is when you insist on abiding by the rules of the establishment
>no warning and out
and NDA can be some petty japanese retarded shit

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck all of these armchair lawyers and bottom rung corpo lackeys that knows jack shit about dealing with JP giants, you guys are overcomplicating things. Mel fucked up beyond belief or had malicious intent and management just use an excuse of NDA breach to terminate her contract, simple as.
If you have a 5 year working relationship with JP conglomerates and in Asia in general, no one gives a shit about NDA unless you're acting maliciously. As long as both parties are acting in good faith, NDA is going to be a piece of paper and everything is settled with a call and a handshake.
>t. shook hands with more JP corporate guys this week than I touched my own dick

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883874
HOLY BASED PAJEETGOD

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883745
I know. What I mean is that a Japanese court would invalidate a wide, non-specific set of definitions. So any corpo with a competent lawyer will have a hyper specific DNA that is enforceable.
Severance of contract & business relationship due to breach is usually the minimum for Japan.
some caselaw for those interested:
https://www.fukamipat.gr.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/20200424_PatentLisenceApril-2020_CIIP.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883874
Also true. She did something to damage the relationship bad, and this is the standard way out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862129
All this comes across to me as just saying "corpo bad, corpo lie, because corpo is corpo."
>NOTHING GOT LEAKED
>Literally nothing got leaked
I swear to christ this happens every time there is a termination. Corpos lie all the time to save face, but the problem is that you're just basing your viewpoint off of some shoddy schizo intuition. I'm not saying I fully trust cover, since they are a corpo, but your reason for not believing in the statement is basically the equivalent of yelling "Because I say so AND I used the word literally!" Mel has been with Cover for 5.7(?) years. If they wanted to get rid of her and give a bullshit excuse, they had plenty of chances to.

/vt/ is the kind of place where some corpo would show a sex tape of riro ron fucking her manager while yelling "I'm riro ron of Idol Corp!" and there would be some retard on /here/ saying it was all doctored. Anons are so consumed by their cynicism in everything that they become the fool their self.

In conclusion, the anon I saw that claimed Mel was a Niji sleeper agent to deflect from Pomu's graduation had better reasoning than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883984
well there you go. she admitted herself.
op btfo lmaoooo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66882892
Haachama is alway right...

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883984

[Anonymous No.]

God damn redditors are so fucking annoying
>um the terms of service says your ISP can charge you fees for peer2peer sharing so you deserve it

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883984
>Expects me to read 日本語

[Anonymous No.]

>>66863074
is
>i watch indies
the new
>im vegan
?
nothing required you to post your resume

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862473
Stop describing yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862526
Welcome to the Japanese Work Industry where they are more ruthless than your lazy contractor.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese take NDA seriously , I knew someone that works in the aviation branch of Honda located in Florida , he said one day there were a few ppl taking pics outside the office building , 1 or 2 days later when he arrived to work there was a team of ppl setting up a 10 feet tall fence around the building

[Anonymous No.]

>>66862439
Honestly I think its a zoomer thing. They are absolutely terrified of authority figures
Like unless you leak to the press, or actually doing espionage you aren't going to get killed for telling a friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>66883984
>I was mentally weak
>this person came to me
>I spoke a little too much thinking i couild trust them
>They snitched on me for a quick laugh
Mel's life and since the person made sure to come out about they had to fire her even when they didn't wnat to I guess. Mel is a little dumb and a little to trusting.

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>>66883984
tl;dr
>I'm sorry for making everyone worry
>I was talking about things that I shouldn't have to someone I trusted when I was mentally unwell and I deeply regret that.
>All issues has been resolved
>Also my cat died and I was mentally unstable
>I will take a break
>I will return one day
>Please don't spread rumors
>I'm sorry

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>>66888057
>I am going to suspend my activities for a while
that sounds like she's coming back

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>>66865015
What the fuck do you think an NDA contract is? A paper with all the company secrets that you get to read over before signing?
Way to out yourself like a retard, anon. Fucking KEK.

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>>66888241
Stop letting them own pets
they will inevitably die and cause these girls huge mental damage leading to these scenarios

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> suck up to homos and eceleb cock
> some other unrelated stuff happens
> get fired

I FUCKING KNEW IT

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>>66862129
end of the stream heavily implies she knew

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>>66862250
My uncle is an NDA

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>>66862288
That's bootlicking

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>>66862129
Retard.

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>>66862376
>accidently talked about which iphone is used
anonchama...

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>>66883984
Get fucked OP

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>>66894370
some of them even own multiple pets

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>>66862288
Obviously not a Hololive member or it wouldn't have been an NDA problem. Sounds like Niji or VCR faggots.

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>>66895237
Force them to give them away

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>>66888241
The tragic irony of vtubing is that anyone mentally unstable enough to want to do it is also too mentally unstable to keep their shit together

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I don't get it, what are people even accusing Cover of?
I know Mel wasn't the biggest but she was still a net asset, no company would do what Cover did without good reason right? I'm a NEET that's never had a job so far but I'd assume contracts and NDAs are srsbsns in the real world right?
Also isn't a higher rate of terminations a better look for a corp than a higher rate of grads? Since graduating means the talent actually wants to leave. In fact more terminations is prob a bigger tell for the sort of people the holos themselves a

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>>66862129
The day Okayu's light disappears from this world I will follow suit and kill myself.

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My take on this is that cover is just really irresponsible letting their talent go like this. To me this entire thing could also be an extortion plot from a third party that is close to Mel. Imagine theres a good friend of hers (male female doesnt really matter) and they are really close with each other, enough to share secrets about each other. Well whoopdiedoo Mels secrets are worth much more than that friends because her job literally depends on it. I can easily see a man manipulate her and anonimously tip cover off to check her accounts for any data leaks. Now the woman you always wanted to date but never dared to maybe also because she is an idol, was robbed of her future, her passion, security and social connections shes build in the last 5 years. Im unsure about Mels family status but situations like this where men manipulate the womens surroundings without them realising and the men offering a secure space through a relationship or even marriage isnt unusual. Independent women dont marry, such is a well known fact. So all you have to do is destroy her life and rob her securities and be there for her.

Cover is downright neglectful to dangle every little NDA breach to even family members and close friends like this without further investigating the situation. I havent watched Mel a lot but she didnt seem to be the person that would clear up such misunderstandings with great effort. She seems to be just taking this well. She is too considerate.

I hope Mel only good things in the future. I hope her situation is not like the one Ive described. I really hope she and cover havent been manipulated and taken advantage off for some stupid personal or pettyy reasons.

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>>66897948
>t.Nijifaggot

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>>66897948
do you got this from chatgpt?

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>>66897948
T. Someone who has never touched anything noteworthy in his life
Probably for the best

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>>66864429
Holy ESL.

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>>66862288
A coropo still a corpo. Nothing personal fag, just business

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>apologizing for something bad
>"my cat made me do it"
>certified woman moment
>go play LoL

Rough TL of the popular japanese sentiment.

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>>66898914
You know im right. Women get taken advantage off all the time. Cover being so loose with their talent is a terrible look.
>>66898680
No, there even was a game about this exact thing in recent times. Lots of vtubers played it too
>>66898422
Dunno how niji relates to this.

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>>66862439
Sure thing, janitor-kun. Be sure to make sure the CEO's bathroom is extra clean.

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>>66894370
The pets are the only things keeping them together in the first place.

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>>66887261
The retards here were arguing against net neutrality when that issue came out.

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>>66862288
I'm just going to be called a nijinigger or whatever but this kind of shit really shows how /vt/ is filled with unironic Cover fans, as in fans of the company and not the talent. Did she break her contract? Sure, but come on she's one of Hololive's first members and has been nothing but sweet this whole time. Hell she was stalked by a former manager and dealt with it because Cover wouldn't help. They could have just swept it under the rug, terminating her for this doesn't actually help anyone. You don't need to defend this decision just because Cover made it, not everything they do is inherently good because "hololive good". This board is just embarrassing with how proudly you lick a corporation's boot. I've been a fan of the Holos for years, but i have never been a Cover fan.

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>>66903585
>Did she break her contract? Sure, but
Unfortunately, but nothing. The law is the law, and if they made exceptions for one of their talents they would have to make them for others.
>If they forgave her then they should have forgiven Rushia!
>They forgave Mel, why cant they forgive {talent who broke nda in the future}?
It sucks ass but this is how you prevent people from taking advantage of shit or making cliques.

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>>66903976
so the snitch just got away like that?

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>>66904126
Which individual are you calling a snitch, because the only one who was a snitch is the retard that Mel confided in.

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>Well, it turns out she's been depressed over her cat dying, spilled the beans to someone outside the company while venting and word got back to them which resulted in her termination. Either the friend exposed her to the company (unlikely) or, for some reason, she used her main account to let it all out and management found out. Cover fired a grieving woman in her time of weakness. heartless bastards

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>>66904238
I'm talking about that snitch Mel got punished but the snitch walked away freely

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>>66862129
>Literally nothing got leaked.
That you know of.

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>>66904342
Yeah, sadly theres nothing that they can do about that. What do you want them to do? If they could press charges they would.

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>>66862439
The difference is it's Japanese.
Japanese has a hard on for authority and won't use their common sense or humanity when dealing with contract issues.

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>>66881250
Rushia was holo's biggest earner you absolute retard

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>>66897948
it's quite obvious they sold out once they became public and bow and kneel too the shareholders every will. that's why NDA's are such a big thing now. they're a soulless enterprise now

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>>66897889
moguyacht or no moguyacht?

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>>66904482
she is not that popular compare to pekora or marine the company will not be the same without them

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>>66888341
She will continue on her rm for sure.

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>>66899591
why do women get taken advantage of so often, aren't they strong and independent?

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>>66903585
Don't get me wrong, it fucking sucks that Mel got terminated. Especially for something that one of her dumbass friends spread around, whether they were a vtuber or not, and whether they did it out of pure ignorance/idiocy or straight up malice. But Cover follows their rules to a T, and unfortunately they rarely budge in situations where you wish they would. At the very least this termination was on far better terms than Rushia's, Mel at least was able to give a proper send off and Cover didn't throw her under the bus the same reason they did to that green menhera.
As for why people are still giving Cover the benefit of doubt despite their fuck ups, it's probably because people barely leave, and they only typically terminate when it seems like they have no other choice. It's thankfully not to the same degree that Rushia was terminated where they stated that they found her spreading falsehoods that damaged the company's reputation and leaked sensitive information via SNS. Mel's situation is just more tragic where whatever information she slipped out was so sensitive that her "friend" frustratingly lost her a golden opportunity.

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>rules says dont say nigg
>say nigg
>get banned
>WTF WHY I AM SO MAD
really niggas?

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why does everyone here know how cover operates inside now?
theres probably hundreds of NDAs broken inside any company thats not publicly talked about and they didnt do anything until its really that bad

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>>66908775
niggers hands typed this

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>>66908913
because we have seen what happens when an NDA is broken at Cover.