/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How do you fuck up THIS badly? Is this the worst management in the history of the world?

[Anonymous No.]

The good management went to Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

Some small corpo definitely has worse.
But consider how big Nijisanji is, you would still expect better

[Anonymous No.]

>Exon massive Oil Leak
>BP Deep Water Horizon
>Union Carbide Bopal disaster
>Triangle Shirt Waist Fire
>NIJI Sad Internet Girls Leave
Yup checks out worst management.

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>>66098234
yes

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>>66098234
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

every company that's thoughtless toward its "front line employees" is alike
other vtuber companies understand that they're in the cartoon-girl business, that the company's faces are the product
niji thinks it's mcdonald's and the "livers" are the cashiers
selling what? they've never even considered it

[Anonymous No.]

Gura deflection thread.

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>>66097747
It's what happens when leadership just sees their streamers as easily replaceable.
You know what they told their investors what their plan to increase revenue for NijiEN was? Just keep debuting more people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
Someone post the name of the faggot in charge in EN supposedly he's a jap surrounded by SEA

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>>66098234
>CEO creeps on minor
>Management sleeps with talents
>Manager nearly rapes talent, and other managers ruin your self esteem
>Management plans to sue and dox any talent that goes against them
>Annoying fans and projects being delayed
You probably can’t guess which is which corpo. Hint nijisanji is the last one

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>>66098685
You know what I’ll call you out on this. What else can they do to increase revenue besides debuting people?

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>>66099033
if Waxtor, they did dox their talents.

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>>66098577
nijiseethe post

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>>66097747
There are some even worse management with small corpos like Wactor or Cyberlive.
NijiEN is a fuck up but it is mostly just shocking they can fuck up this much while being this big.

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>>66099033
NijiEN was a branch consistently getting 10k streams and a legitimate contender for top EN Corp for a while. Then they ost 80% of their income, and are losing top talents left and right. New gens are going straight into the garbage pile.
It's not just a fuckup, it's a catastrophic fuckup the likes of which we've never seen.

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>>66098234
Could be worse. They could be Yahoo.

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>>66099653
They just lost one of their best female talents and the other one is already out the door. If anybody doesn't see this as a massive problem they are fucking blind and retarded

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>>66099653
>First statement false
>Second statement false
>Third statement true
Being a schizo doesn’t mean people won’t call you out on your shit.

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>>66097747
they've always been bad, it's just recently become popular opinion. the correct opinion

[Anonymous No.]

NijiEN is hanging by a thread. If Elira leaves it’s over.

[Anonymous No.]

Deserved for all the homo ovelap. This was the fate of holoen had Omega not been ACK'd by Mr. Jap.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when most of myth and council were MIA, Nijisanji was crushing it and a offcollab between petra, uki and some other niji had 2k views less than MYTH ANYVERSARY where everyone was pretending hard to be friends? one would think Nijis would take that god given oportunity to crush HoloEN once and for all but they decided to inflate their egos, be stupid and the management decided that the color they wanted to be was penta black...

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>>66100160
mint and nova reuniting would be kino desu

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>>66100417
Any Color is literally WCW, they had a chance to destroy WWE fucked it up and destroyed themselves

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>>66099844
Do you hate nijisanji or not? You’re not making sense. If they need money debut more people. People that leave either retire from streaming or “move on to greener pastures” if you believe the schizos. There’s literally no downside to either they end up richer while the talents whether they leave or stay also end up better off than before. The only people that really end up suffering is their fans but both sides end up good

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>>66100417
Nobody remembers that because we can’t see your fantasies

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>>66099653
they didnt lose 80% of their income, they lost less than 20%
also they lost 3 who left in their own volition

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>>66098759
I thought it was a Chinese?

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>>66101064
You're absolutely right, when i used to get drunk and beat my wife to a pulp one morning she told me she was going away, she fucking left me and then acuses me of not loving her, the fucking bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66099273
Concerts or other events. More original songs, maybe even an EP. Merch that fans actually want instead of cheap and extremely generic t-shirts.

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>>66101064
Not a single thing positive or negative about nijisanjib has been correct. What makes a person this crazy?

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji management is so bad, they make this man look like a saint

[Anonymous No.]

>>66099273
Increasing viewership of existing talents via marketing, collab with external parties.
More merch.
Sponsorship deals.
Working together with their talents for content creation.

Debuting more talents means jackshit if they're just gonna leave them alone after debut. What has Niji done to market their latest batch of talents? Nothing. They didn't get any buildup to their debut, they just get an announcement that the debuts are happening in a few days time, and thats it.
Even Cover's shittiest branch Holostars get weeks in advance between the initial announcement and their debut, between which they get tiny trailers and shit to hype up the debuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66099033
Akioair
Idol
Hololive
Wactor
Nijisanji
Is that right?

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>>66099653
>Consistenly getting 10K stream
Really? their girls can only break 2.5K on special occasion and in the boys side, the ones I only see break 10K was Mysta if he does something special in his stream and Vox in his early days, rarely I see any of them break through 2.5K(This is the EN side I am talking about)

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>>66100160
I hope she doesn't cause the clique will move with her

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>>66101355
>Original songs almost all lose money
>EPs waste of money
>More expensive merch vs cheap easily manufacturable merch that people buy a lot of
The only statement you made that could make money would be concerts and that’s only if it goes off without a hitch. You’re retarded and don’t pretend you watch hololive because you’d know all of this. Unless you think every liver has tens of thousands to invest back into the company at any given time

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>>66097747
I don't know how they're handling the JP side of things but they should shut down EN since it's clearly bleeding money and it can sustain itself with so many retards.

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>>66101864
yeah is a waste of money by itself, but long run gives you viewers and that makes your money back, is marketing.

[Anonymous No.]

The duality

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>>66101570
>All their gen debuts get ad boosted with songs, there’s a concentrated social media presence around them, and they do a watchalong
>There’s already 50-60 merch runs a year with holidays, anniversaries, birthdays, and collabs
>They already do sponsorships
>Your statement doesn’t make sense because they literally can’t do anything without management’s permission
>Holox
>>66101717
No not really why are you trusting schizos

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>>66097747
All out war :^)

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>>66102163
Riku is only here for the money, he admitted himself that he is a trend chaser and will most likely move on to the next trend when this trend is over

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>>66101582
Yea you are correct realistically nijien is either beating them behind closed doors or they are made of paper. Like they would’ve killed themselves if they went through this

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>>66099329
and sue them

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>>66102569
But that was the number of viewers they have everytime I look at the live tab and YT shows them tho?

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>>66102163
Why is kawaii still in the shitter? What did phase do to finally incline?

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>>66103004
Yea keep making shit up

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>>66103507
Ok dude

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>>66102729
I think NijiEN management is mostly just soul curshing, what we have seen from leaks is them pestering the livers over numbers. That added with them seemingly not helping people with stuff like Pomu's 3D model which wasn't finished at release and unusable since then, and just cancelling projects and big events like the concert probably just makes them depressed.
IRyS is probably the one that's gotten the most similar treatment in HoloEN, but her shitty manager was probably slightly better but it was bad enough to make her menhera post on her rm account from what I remember, and she at least found a light at the end of the tunnel.

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>>66100712
Their overall viewership has cratered. Luxiem is pulling less than half of what they used to and the new gens are hitting record lows in subs and CCV with each new release. If you think that the solution is to keep releasing new talents to replace their foundational pillars that are leaving you are delusional.

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>>66104093
Hey they do deserve it for abandoning their core audience for fucking Luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

they clearly just don't care about their en talent because their en talent aren't making money

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>>66103226

Long overdue, Phase has much more to offer than Pipkin. Hopefully more new talents doesn't dilute that beyond their capabilities.

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>>66104155
I completely agree but this is what abandoning the core Lazusydia audience for the fujos has led to. All of the old fans have either moved back to HoloEN or to small corpos that have been inclining like Phase.

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>>66104590
and its both saddening and delicious karma. The fujoshis have dried up, and now we're left with a company thats dying faster than its growing.

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>>66104093
Nijien existed before Luxiem sis, they’ve hit these lows before they existed and they hit lows again but that wasn’t the question. My statement was nothing bad has happened which is objectively true. They are still making more money every year, those that stay are still making way above the median income of their country and those that leave have all ended up in better positions than they were before nijisanji. Debuting new talents isn’t a solution because as of now there is no problem. The only way you’d consider this a negative is if you’re a fan of nijisanji and want the talents to get less hate. They need to suck it up it’s not even a tenth of what Gura still gets or what Mori got during her peak.

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>>66106205
Delusional Niji dickrider as usual. If you can't see that losing the faces of the branch is going to severely impact them in the long run you're mentally handicapped. Pomu and Selen are their top 2 female talents and both are out the door. Mysta was a top 2 male talent and he left and openly shit talks the company now. Who outside of diehard Niji sisters can even name someone from the last two gens?
You can't replace talents like Pomu or Selen easily, especially with how competitive the corpo EN scene has gotten now. Why would a female talent choose to join Niji over Phase at this point realistically?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66099593
Nijisanji has always been a company built up by the talents

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>>66104004
I’m glad you admitted you don’t watch hololive because I don’t have to call you a liar. We’re back to the original point they are just made of paper. If this and a few words from your manager are their only problems then anon was right they aren’t fit for hololive
Gura
>3D model broken and didn’t want it fixed thought it built character, same with 2D, all her projects go through triple the red tape of everyone else, can’t even release a short without 2 days of management approval unlike her gen mates, and I listing off her cancellations would need it’s own list
Mori
>Huge numberfag, multiple social media meltdowns, corporate numberfags asking her to shill harder, deformed 3D nearly unusable had to be fixed like 3 times, lot’s of stress
Irys
>Manager ignores her pleas, delayed her new model by a year, wouldn’t let her do covers at first, tried to sequester her, canceled all outfits until the new model he delayed was completed, ruined her sponsorship numbers, genuinely just treats her like a nuisance almost making her hate hololive
Kiara
>Nearly quit after a few months should speak for itself and her 3D didn’t fit. Fuck it multiple cancelled or delayed lives, blocked plans, and management trying to keep her with en
And this is the good one if they had to build something in kawaii, deal with the harassment in the actual black corpos or been sexually assaulted by a manager (female manager technically doesn’t count) they would have killed themselves.

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>>66104004
>what we have seen from leaks is them pestering the livers over numbers.
Isn't the leak the discord server that penguin Vtuber of theirs shown in her stream? or is there a different one?

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>>66107435
The one from the woman

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>>66107508
Have a screenshot of it? I want to see

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>>66102729
Recently False was talking on his stream and said that, from what he knows, Nijisanji is not doing black company things... but some of the things they do are pretty close.

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>>66107196
Hololive?

>>66106697
So your point is? Genuinely what’s your point? Should they be forcing talents to stay? Locking them down with a bunch of legal jargon that doesn’t actually work? Why are you obsessed with keeping them?

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>>66101469
take that back you son of a bitch

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>>66107650
>Believes dramatuber
Anon before I sell you this bridge explain to me why no one that’s graduated has talked about this almost black company level abuse. NDA wouldn’t stop them, sayu didn’t bring up, and why would someone that knows nothing about Japan know about it? The bridge is real cheap by the way

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>>66104004
IRyS is an honorary black company survivor, that's basically what Project Hope was

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>>66107786
My point is that NijiEN management is utter dogshit and unless they clean house of all the current managers the company is doomed to die slowly. Vshojo and Phase are both inclining and will outpace them if things keep up. There was an era where NijiEN was the clear number 2 to HoloEN but they've only reached lower and lower depths in the last 6 months and the future remains even bleaker with Pomu and likely Selen leaving.

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>>66097747
The biggest problem with Niji's management is the west doesn't have the same work culture and slavish devotion to an employer that Japan has. The second biggest problem with Niji's management style isn't Niji's fault at all, but the west having a thriving indie scene which means they have an omnipresent competitor out there that constantly tempts them with the allure of a hassle-free life. Holo has avoided that problem by offering more reasons to stay than leave, but Niji has consistently failed to take their first biggest problem into account to such a degree that their second biggest problem is crippling them.

One could argue VShojo themselves also presents a problem, but it's worth noting that neither Mysta nor Nina left Niji with the intention of joining VShojo. It happened later on. They left simply because the allure of being an indie outweighed their interest in continuing to deal with Japanese autism.

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>>66107786
Have you considered that in general they wouldn't leave if management actually helped them with their projects or ideas instead of shutting them down or delaying them indefinitely until they go through some rigorous perms fuckery? That seems like a good start.

[Anonymous No.]

>Matara drunk and crying, telling Mouse "thank you for saving my life"
>Selen makes a tweet mildly criticizing management for taking down a fan video
>Her next tweet IS FROM THE FUCKING HOSPITAL
Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on at this company!?

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>>66107978
>dramatuber
>is well-connected and respected by the actual vtubers he reports on and has already on several occasions been allowed privileged information including exclusive whistleblowing on actual black companies i.e. AkioAIR
I get you hate him but face it, he's a reliable source.
And given recent events, is it really so unbelievable?

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>>66108452
Stop talking about these fantasy ideas like "helping the talents" and give us something tangible that puts money in our pockets like how to cut more corners I mean costs on merch.

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>>66108604
Hmm... what if instead of selling shirts with old key art printed on, we instead sell shirts with "exclusive sketches" from the key art production? That would save on color ink

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>>66108452
Before I answer that how long has gawr gura been under hololive? Oh 3 years and counting. How about someone closer to home Mito from JP? Oh right nearly 6 years and this is including a bad case with a stalker. So no actually, I haven’t thought that doing any of that would make people stay. It seems to be letting them just fine

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>>66097747
>How do you fuck up THIS badly?
Read some history, Nijisanji is doing great in comprasion not to just enterprises/companies but to empires or countries.

But why is Nijisanji fucking up so badly? Upper management (old people) have no fucking idea how VTubing works.
Lower mangement knows and does a lot better but they don't have the power.

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>>66108196
this is a good chunk of reasoning, I'd also add that Hololive appeals to girls who would happen to actually-like/want the idol type / girl's club environment, they can help you do things that would be very difficult to do yourself and you're part of an amazing and storied team of stars etc.

what NijiEN offers is literally almost nothing you couldn't do as an indie already, it just offers its social circle of livers. that's it.

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>>66107406
>3D model broken and didn’t want it fixed thought it built character
There's a difference between having a broken 3D model that you can use and a broken 3D model that you're not allowed to use. Pomu even got a fanmade 3D model before she got her official one and the management banned her from using it.
In fact most of what the girls in NijiEN have gone through is the exact same shit as the girls in HoloEN have gone through but you're arguing like Hololive isn't just a way better place to be in than Niji.

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>>66108572
Ok when is Gura’s graduation or her private meeting with IM? Why did vdere turn on kawaii? Wactor? Secrets about Idol? I’ll even take prism’s cut? Easy one what did he say that wasn’t already said by the owl and her compatriots days to weeks prior

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>>66108142
So your point is you like big numbers you can see while ignoring everything else

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>>66109322
>say he's well-connected and talks to vtubers behind the scenes, so he knows things most people don't
>Oh so he knows everything huh? He's completely omnipotent and has information on all my rrats, is that it?
There needs to be a word beyond retarded for people like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
xenophobia. someone in the higher ups has a grudge against foreigners because of Hiroshima

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>>66107650
To be fair a lot of people just overuse the phrase black company. Like Niji has a shitload of problems, but I wouldn't consider them a black company, just a pretty shitty one. People can just watch his video on shit like AkioAir or WACTOR to get a sample of what an ACTUAL black company is like.
>>66109045
What Niji offers you is the same thing that Holo offers you on its face. Instant stardom and notoriety as a big name in the scene. Another thing people here overstate is how valuable even something like 500ccv is, just because it's not as big as the Holo numbers. A while back Aethel was talking about how, at about 200ccv, he was making more money streaming than he was at his teaching job. Nina was not the biggest name at Niji by a long shot, but she still made enough money to go on several long vacations with zero work inbetween during her months off inbetween Niji and VShojo.

The common data point people always bring up is the rule of 7. On Twitch, if you have a consistent CCV of 7, then you're automatically in the top 7% of streamers. 50 CCV is top 1%. Streaming is a vicious game that few people succeed in. Niji taking you to 500 at bare minimum is a HUGE deal.

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>>66109072
Yea Holos were banned from doing that to. In the case of the broken 3D model it was a gray area. They were already announced to be performing at holofes to late to cancel it so they briefly got free rein over it afterwards but it was unusable while it was being fixed. And no I’m arguing like I’m not a retard. I know nothing about what happens behind closed doors at niji and only know a bit about what happens with hololive. So outside of making more money Incan’t say what’s a better place to work most nijis leave because of money, accomplishments or crazy fans then move on past vtubing. Answer this for me why does the most coddled branch in all of vtubing have so many graduations?

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>>66108196
you say that like Jp doesn't also have a thriving indie scene that competes against nijiJP, but NijiJP isn't seeing the same level of everything going to shit that nijiEN is seeing

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>>66109518
>is well-connected and respected by the actual vtubers he reports on
Do people forget their post don’t disappear just because you have to scroll up? And the word you’re looking is reader

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>>66110043
It doesn't. Not on the same level, at least. The EN indie scene is massive and thriving with people who are unaffiliated with a company. JP indies obviously exist, but most everyone is signed up somewhere and working for someone.

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>>66110043
Nijijp has had graduations in almost every gen including those considered to be grandfathered in or central to their company

>>66110029
200 on twitch isn’t 200 on yt. You get free subs from Amazon, ads, sponsors, not to mention he was leaching and how could I forget if he wasn’t a real teacher he was making just over minimum wage and even as a real teacher he’d just be scratching 40-50k

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>>66110140
You could just say you don’t watch JP.

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>>66110030
>the most coddled branch in all of vtubin
You say you're not arguing like a retard but then you say this shit after admiting that you don't watch NijiEN.
And you're the only calling them coddled, but if they were as coddled as your retarded little brain believes then why do they quit and go indie or to other vtuber corpos?

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>>66110029
>What Niji offers you is the same thing that Holo offers you on its face
It -used- to do that. Thing is after years of canceled/delayed lives, management getting restrictive and arbitrary for more and more petty reasons, there being a real insider vs outsider clique where you'll get treated far-harsher depending on who you know, and nowadays even the brand impact is on-par with small corpo tier for new entrants? It's just not what it was.

After years of drama constantly darting around it just took its toll. Too many graduations, too many instances of livers being assholes/condescending/dismissive to one too many groups of fans over and over so that the trust is just gone. Nowdays, joining Niji does not even get you a fucking song for your gen. You just debut with a couple-days notice to an audience that was already scrambling to try to get familiar with the last gen.. and the gen before that and to zero fanfare. Pomu, like the Luxiem/Noctyx dudes, came from an older time where there was more trust in the livers and trust in the company itself. Now we have neither and people have a lot more laissez-faire attitude and just stick with who they already liked and don't bother trying to pretend it's some ascendant superior organization sure to take over the industry anymore. it clearly is not.

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>>66110567
TL;DR Nijisanji is no better than a temp agency

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>>66107435
He's probably talking about Yugo's discord leaking where it was her manager going over her numbers.
Petra's discord leak (all out war etc.) was their private server that management wasn't in.

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>>66099653
>NijiEN was a branch consistently getting 10k streams
lol Luxiem was doing that not everyone else. Too many people over exaggerate how popular the first 3 waves were.

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>>66110522
Stop your schizo rants for a second the most coddled branch is homostars. They get special treatment as well as the standard Hololive treatment yet they still leave. The answer is money that’s always been the reason and always will be the reason

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>>66110567
>Nowdays, joining Niji does not even get you a fucking song for your gen
NijiEN stopped doing wave logos as well once they started losing popularity, Krisis and TTT never got their own logo.

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>>66101469
Don't say shit you can't take back buddy.

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>>66110733
Luxiem wasn’t even doing that. It was 3 members only and it wasn’t all that consistent

>>66110567
Your first paragraph was just full on mental illness then it felt like you finally took your medicine because the follow up was technically true. There’s still a few delusions mixed in there but for the most part spot on congratulations

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>>66097747
Close the NijiEN branch and they will still be profitable because of NijiJP.
They don't give in to EN's requests because JP will demand the same. EN branch isn't worth it. Instead, they are showing more favoritism toward JP.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just gonna miss pomu

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>>66110792
Nigger, you're the fag acting schizo. The ENstars might be the most spoiled since they're not even that popular, but HoloEN is right behind them. No other corpo would have a Gura on their hand and be fine with her fucking off for months.
If the NijiEN talents know that they can earn more and be less stifled by god awful management if they leave then they aren't coddled, they're being milked dry fir Riku's next yacht.

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>>66109017
bro what, yagoo is 50 and riku hasnt even hit 30

[Anonymous No.]

>>66111319
>Gets so angry he can’t think straight

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>>66107406
One difference is that in hololive they can still make shitloads of money by simply existing so the talents just stop streaming instead of graduating. And Hololive management must be softer than Nijis cause they don't hold these girls to their contracts at all.
In retrospect, I have to applaud Sana for graciously bowing out of the money train instead of milking it for all its worth with the bare minimum effort.

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>>66098759
Jap-SAMA

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>>66109393
I'm not a numberfag but when the entire branch is declining by every available metric it doesn't take a genius to point out that there's something going wrong. How you can plug your ears and pretend that NijiEN is doing well while their biggest talents leave left and right is beyond me

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>>66111749
Streaming quotas aren’t part of their contract requirements after year 1, Cover only cares that they fulfill their sponsor/event obligations.

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>>66111704
I accept your concession

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>>66097747
i hate Netflix but I gotta admit I'm really looking forward to the documentary they're gonna make about Niji's downfall

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>>66107650
recently false also said he don't consider anycolor a black company but a grey company

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>>66112086
>watching Netflix
The average conSOOMer, everyone

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>>66110411
No they havent? until almost 6 years later, gen 1 had no graduation until chihiro. gen 2 still has no graduation and lots of gens are complete lol

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>>66110869
>>66110567
getting logos and a song was a nijien only thing, what they are doing now is just what every other branch always did. and they still get songs, just not sang by the wave.

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>>66097939
>cover
>good management

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112479
and then you remember Coco was basically tucked away because of how bad the Chinese spammers were.

[Anonymous No.]

What did he mean by this?

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>>66112479
>You forced this situation to happen
Ah yes, I forgot how cover forced coco to do an asacoco where kanata was hanging from a rope in a forest on the same day of suicide awareness in japan, I forgot how Yagoo forced the chinese to harrass Coco and bought bots to spam her chat daily, I also forgot how he forced HoloCN to encourage the harrassment of coco, we can't forget how Cover started calling all their own sponsors so they could drop them!!! can't forget about that!!! Nor we can forget about the upcoming concerts for Aqua and suisei that were canceled because Cover wanted to teach coco a lesson!!!

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>>66112829
The longer time passes, the more Coco becomes a more...questionable legacy. She was never going to make it to 2023 in Hololive.

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>>66112623
No she was tucked away because Cover wanted to kowtow to the Chinese. The only reason people don't talk about Cover's shady practices is because Anycolor has taken all the heat for the last 3 years. Before then Cover was the laughingstock of the vtubing scene for years. Half the reason /vt/ is so aggressively anti-Niji is because Nijifags made fun of Cover's fuckups every chance they got on /jp/ and it made Holo fans bitter as fuck.
I'm not siding with either one here but Cover is not the saint 2020 newfags want you to believe. They still have fuckups even today that just get completely overshadowed by Anycolor's complete incompetence. If it weren't for Selen's song being privated the catalog would probably be shitting itself over Bae's song being blocked by management for example. But Anycolor privating a song after release is just infinitely more embarrassing.

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>>66112829
>Yagoo forced the chinese to harrass Coco
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112708
it isn't a dream

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113048
And you think Coco is immune to everything because? The biggest issue was Coco actively putting actual threats into the core of hololive because she had a target on her back.

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>>66113048
>She was tucked away because Cover wanted to kowtow to the chinese
>NijiCN got axed
>picrel happened
>Fubuki also sided with her
>so did suisei
Nigga do you ever get tired of lying?
>B-but bae's cover!!
We know it will get released, that's why nobody fucking cares
>Before then Cover was the laughingstock of the vtubing scene for years
Idk if indie reactors saying FUCK HOLOLIVE count as vtubing scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66111123
yeah but the moment a jp says something distasteful about baseball--

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113337
No, the main issue is that Cover was unable to shit or get off the pot regarding the China situation. The antis were very explicit in their goals: Either Coco out of Hololive, or Hololive out of China. Cover desperately wanted to choose the former, but the Chinese and English fans made it very hard for them to just get rid of her due to the bad optics of firing someone for being a victim of bullying. So they chose to tuck her away in a corner by herself until she left on her own and they could slowly weasel their way back into the Chinese market, which they are currently doing. The fact everyone just ate this up doesn't change the shady way Cover treated her. They could've weathered the drama for a year, two years, three years until the Chinese got bored of spamming and moved on to harassing their own vtubers again. But that was too inconvenient for investors. The same investors that have their claws in Anycolor because the entire game is rigged. The tribalfaggotry of the catalog is a fucking joke to these people, they make their money either way no matter which "side" you attach yourself to, and both companies know this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113686
You seriously think that BilliBilli means that they're back in the chinese market? /vt/ still thinks that holoEN is coming back...

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113686
I was gonna respond seriously, but then I realize you're just sad with the current events going on, that's ok. Bae's cover is on hold right now, she's frustrated as anyone would, but we'll get it in a week or two,..... you know what' you won't be getting in two weeks tho? more pomu

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114061
>you know what' you won't be getting in two weeks tho? more pomu
This is kinda funny because I wanted to make a troll thread in this same vein except making fun of you for the fact Pomu will be back in 1 or 2 months while Gura will never ever be back. No matter how much you pretend she's doing great and everyone is just jealous of her success, you'll never get the same love from her that I get from my oshi. You can brag about all the money she makes from members that she doesn't care about and will never stream for, but that won't replace the streams you'll never get. I wasn't gonna do it though because that would be in bad taste kicking someone while they're missing their oshi, but you provoked me. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114315
It's ok to be angry man, we all have our own coping mechanisms, have a good night.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijien problem is not even the management in itself. Like yes they suck, but both phase and holo had problems with managers and eventually fixed them.
Nijien problem is that a vicious clique was formed, and this lead to some talents excluding and gaslighting others. The best recent example is Millie's post asking Selen if she was sure she asked for perms - it would be unthinkable in normal and functional environment.

I will blame management for letting this happen though, it's weird that the problem is in niji, one would think that phase, being menhera central and women only, would be much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114413
weak, you really gonna run away after being the one to start shit?

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>>66107406
Yes, Myth's situation was pretty bad, but Cover has dealt with the situation by bringing in Dimitri Jap and stabilizing and professionalizing the EN branch. I'll go further and add Holo JP was also a big mess several years ago (Mel is the most extreme example of this). But in both instances, Cover recognized the problems, and took effective action to correct these problems.

Anycolor, on the other hand, has not and appears unlikely to ever take steps to professionalize their management, probably because that would mean hiring expensive professionals who would cost more money, meaning less cash flowing to the shareholders.

The hate is not because there are problems, but because Niji knows these are problems and instead of resolving them, are letting their best talents flail, fail, and leave the company on top of lying about them and harassing them. They also seem to be so incompetent that they don't understand the reputational damage they are suffering. The kind of abuse they put their "Livers" through is going to increasingly scare off anyone with any real talent from applying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112273
You do know what almost means right?

[Anonymous No.]

Goalposts: MOVED
Good job team you all get 2 cents

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113519
To be fair the people calling nijisanji a laughingstock are dramatubers and people on 4chan. Glass houses and all that

[Anonymous No.]

>>66102569
That's one merch run a week, jesus Anycolor is ruthless with their milking

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114803
>bringing in Dimitri Jap and stabilizing and professionalizing the EN branch.
I guess I have to be a parent to you. Stop believing everything you read on the internet and get off this site in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114670
>start shit
Yeah, keep fighting your demons anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115061
Are you not aware that there is almost the same amount of merch runs in Holoen with a quarter the talents?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112829
that was all cover's fault retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114601
I sometimes think it’s a joke when people say they have no friends on this site but some of you make me believe it

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112708
The game was joining the clique. If you're not in you die(get graduated/terminated)

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>>66114803
NTA but agreeable on all your points about this. Since Nina graduation I've permenantly looked down on NijiEN due to the very obvious stress that is revealed from Streams / the favouritism / and the lack of vision to nurture their talents, along other things such a family yabs. Most tactics I've seen are used in businesses minimising their costs.. But NijiEN is arguably number 2. Instead we get yabs like that fucking boat you wonder what goes through these manager type brains and dumb shit like shorting their stock. They say they are JP but behave so much like a chinese company.

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>>66103226
Phase invested time and effort (and a decent amount of money for a small corpo) into its talents as well. Management genuinely cares about the talents, and several of the talents have a quasi-manager role where they talk about business stuff with fishman (Dizzy is the most obvious example of this).
It’s about giving a fuck and paying attention to each person’s individual needs. Every time the phase girls talk about management, you can tell they absolutely don’t feel like cogs in a machine.
That said, you can’t do any of that if you’re broke, so some financial investment is still required. I bet NijiEN severely underinvests in staff anyway for a branch its size.

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>>66107786
Nobody is saying the talents should be "forced" to stay, but the way you are phrasing it makes it sound like Pomu just woke up one morning and said "Hmm, I'd like to work elsewhere, that other place will offer me a bigger paycheck."

What the author really meant was that Niji should be doing everything it can to keep its top talents happy, well-compensated, and in the company so Nijisanji can keep making money. Their inability to provide Pomu with very basic things like a working 3D model is simply inexplicable.

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>>66107978
>sayu didn’t bring up
Did you somehow miss her termination notice where they basically character assassinated her with bullshit claims to make sure that her career is forever gimped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66107786
>So your point is? Genuinely what’s your point?
That something is seriously wrong with the branch and this garbage you wrote >>66106205 is utterly fucking retarded.

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>>66097747
They've been doing it for years too. Every yab every graduation people have good suggestions like cleaning house and giving the talents better support and all that bs.
It's 2024 and nothing has changed. It's like the higher ups don't care and don't mind the black company allegations.

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>>66102569
>50-60 merch runs a year and most of them are just acrylic stands

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>>66115422
>>66115422
It's that "minimising costs" thing which is the true core difference between the two companies. Basically, Yagoo has been investing heavily in the company in the form of professionalized management, and things like their new studio and HoloEarth. He has even taken some heat from shareholders who would like to get some money out of Cover instead of spending on projects like HoloEarth or on talent compensation.

Riku, for the most part, has been using Nijisanji as a cash machine and lining the pockets of himself and the company's shareholders.

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>>66115316
If you think what goes on in niji is normal, you need a better friend group.

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>>66115115
Whatever. Who cares. When anons refer to Omega or Jap, they’re referring to the top management it the branch. A single person is more memetic and easier to spread than “new management”.
Jap just happens to be the most visible face of some sort of shift in EN management. You should realize that already unless you’re some turbo-autist, or being a disingenuous nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>66110698
Can you show me a screenshot of the Yugo discord leak?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66113519
Ah but do remember Myth was banned from even saying Coco's name in their streams, T-chan is utter scum that should be fired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115560
You’re on the internet you could use google to learn what things mean instead of looking like a retard. That’s not what character assassination is and more importantly in her own counter statement she pretty much admits that it’s true

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115988
>she pretty much admits that it’s true
She in fact says the opposite

[Anonymous No.]

>>66111319
Doesn't Gura able to do this because she already done enough for the branch? And HoloEN Myth has bareley gotten any support when they debuted to the point that they have this thing called the "EN curse"

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>>66115115
let me fix your schizoid rambling
>hololive is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad BADB ABD BADB BADB ABD BADB BAD BAD ABAD
>nijisanji is good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good

There you go

[Anonymous No.]

>>66114670
It's ok to cry, anon, we understand

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>>66116104
Gura has done literally nothing for the branch except her debut stream going viral.
She has no memorable moments, no famous events, no notable collabs. I think newfags don't remember but Gura has always been like this. Even when she streamed regularly she put in the minimum effort possible, in Myth collabs she was nearly always checked out and required other members to control the convo. Kiara and Mori ate tons of flack for "bullying" Gura when they were just trying to include her in the conversation and she didn't wanna try. Chumbuds have always come up with copes for things like her never finishing Atlantis or only doing karaoke once every two years or showing no ambition towards projects, but it just enabled her to be lazier. Gura does this shit because it's her personality. There's nothing else going on, she's a lazy worthless person who got lucky and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous No.]

It also doesn't help you can spot Niji staffers whenever a yab gets revealed here. They type too professionally with 100% spin because of mental conditioning that prevents them from saying one negative thing about the company. This is especially true when the topic is about talent and management, there's no detracting counterpoints or hypothetical sound reasoning. Whoever that intern / manager / talent is, you are trying too hard and fuck it up everytime, for an entire fucking year now.

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>>66100712
>People that leave either retire from streaming or “move on to greener pastures” if you believe the schizos.
I’m sorry, are you saying only schizos believe Nina and Mysta are happier in vshojo? Or that those two totally aren’t actually Nina and Mysta and only schizos have functioning ears? What are you saying here, what kind of delusion is this?

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>>66116522
Niji spent their money on jannies and NDF instead of helping their livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115229
What's a merch run?

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>>66097939
Doesn't an ex-Hololive manager work for Vshojo?

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>>66115957
Proof to this claim?

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>>66116522
>Niji staffers
bro shut the fuck up
these fags dont get paid to do this
they do it FOR FREE

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115887
>>66115422
>>66114803
its telling you guys dont even look at the own company data.. thats not the case as they are very much expanding every quarter

[Anonymous No.]

>>66102306
>>Birthday stream pushed 6 months away
>>Have to ask permission just to get a .png sword
>>Can't use your own models when you want

I think the talent disagrees.

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>>66116485
She literally got the highest viewer count in whole EN, she constantly gets 20K live viewers when she was still actively streaming, her merchs almost always gets sold out fast, and even tho her model/rigging was goofy as fuck, she still manage to make it work and retain a sizable audience, and her Karaoke streams always breaks it through 30K~40K and she maintained that constant in her 2yrs. of being active
>She got lucky everyone knows it
I only hear this from people who is coping from her success

[Anonymous No.]

>>66116843
Shit nigga this was like 3 years ago now all I remember was it was a Kiara stream where she abruptly gasped after saying Coco's name and changed the topic quickly, though rrat or not it was pretty heavily discussed back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
They just dont care.
Its a 250mln$ revenue company with 500 employees, they dont give a fuck who graduates or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117233
So give me the clip/stream so I can judge it for myselfNM8X

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117108
and yet holoen is not the one plagued by a graduation conga

[Anonymous No.]

>"B-but Cover had fuckups too!"

Mindbroken nijikeks STILL defending their oshi-company after what has happened to Selen and Pomu. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? What's going on in your fucking heads that you even consider a CORPORATION to be your oshi, and not the talents themselves? I'd never defend Cover or YAGOO over my oshi. EVER.

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>>66116939
Their talk is 100% direct formal business language and that distinct style only pops up around here during a yab. It could just be corporate boot lickers but I stand by my observation. Paid or not it is cute in a very dumb sort of way.

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>>66117371
This is the best I can do for you sis https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/text/Kiara%20coco%20Minecraft/order/asc/page/3/
Just scroll past the Nenechi copypastas and you'll see posts referencing the incident, if you want the stream link just dumpster dive through those threads someone would've likely posted it but I can't be bothered to right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117775
Thank you, sis

[Anonymous No.]

Once Gura graduates it's fucking over for HoloEN as well. Both companies EN branches are on the verge of collapse.

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>>66115887
This is what it means to suck off a corporation. Let’s start from the bottom and work our way up the shareholders asked for them to invest in more standardized merch because that mostly goes towards the company. You know what happened next? Increase in acrylics, ‘friends 4 you’ production sped among other things. There is no “profesionalized management” they’ve fired and reshuffled at least 6 managers in the last few months and Holoearth is a stupid idea that might end up getting banned in 3 major countries if their micro transactions become predatory. The studio was money well spent even if he was too stupid to realize he’d either need new staff or time for the current staff to learn what their new toys do. Finally Cover minimizes more cost than Anycolor. Studio time paid for my talents, important merch paid for by talents, negotiations with sponsors also the talents leaving most of their to just sit on their hands. It’s always so obvious when you threadreading dramafag pretend to be a holofan

[Anonymous No.]

>>66118686
Ok boomer, whatever you say.

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>>66116522
The Japanese company nijisanji that only gives one manager per gen, gives 2% to their talents, and ignores twitter discourse hires people that speak English to defend them on a board that has less than a thousand people active at any one time. You’re not a schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66116619
>Holidays, Summer, winter, outfits, birthdays, anniversary, special events,

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>>66116523
The fact that the only way you could take that was as an insult or that you’re forgetting 2 other talents are gone who are also doing fine makes you the schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117022
You didn’t notice the faggots championing dramatubers? They’re here to get screenshots for their discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117442
The faggot using lamy would be a dramafag

[Anonymous No.]

>>66106697
In theory they could get better talents than Selen and Pomu. The talents wouldn't want to join though. That's why brand reputation is so important.

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>>66117442
The comparisons don't even make sense. Like >>66107406 bring up Kiara having a weird ass, vs Pomu's whole model being broke and non-usable. Including in Kiara's concert that did happen and wasn't cancelled never to be seen again. No one would deny Cover has issues, just unlike Kuro Company they work to improve on these issues. Not let it gets so bad someone actually graduates. One has 3D space issues due to the burden of expansion, the other just largely doesn't seem to care. Anyone can see the difference here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66108509
Matara might mean that getting into VTubing is what saved her life tho.

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>>66119349
Weird that you hyperfixated on Kiara and chose to change the statements to fit your weird delusions. You even straight up lie at the end because Cover has had multiple graduations. Craziest thing of all is that’s in no way defending nijisanji it’s just shitting on management but you’re too schizo to see that

[Anonymous No.]

>>66109045
NijiJP does big concerts and events. Whenever I see NijiEN guys in a big event it's always a JP event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66098401
>selling what? they've never even considered it
they sell cheap bargain bin keyrings. unironically this is what they're known for in asia. cheap crappy merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66119916
That’s what they’re known for not the biggest male vtubers in the world as well as one of the biggest streamers in the world or the biggest vtuber event in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

The kind of thing that should absolutely be taken as the best sort of argument for unionising your workspace.
>Incompetent management
>low pay
>Low morale
>everyone around you quitting.
i don't know if the vtubers can do it but like. hey lessons we can take away right? We got nothing to lost but our chains as they say

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117022

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>>66115957
The EN management was a massive mess until the restructuring in the 2nd quarter of 2023. If you remember, Kiara said "There will be sad stuffs about to happen in a few months, but it's not something noticeable to you guys so no need to worry that much".

[Anonymous No.]

>>66120029
to normalfags it's the trash merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>66117022
>Hiring more employees
>Approximately zero of those go to helping EN
>No noticeable improvement in JP streams either

Holy shit, defending Niji must get you the easiest (you)s ever

[Anonymous No.]

So with Pomu leaving and Selen on her way out, are most of the old members going to leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66120071
hide before trump and reaganfags say communism

[Anonymous No.]

>>66120071
>unions
Yes because that always work on left leaning countries... OH WAIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112964
>The longer time passes, the more Coco becomes a more...questionable legacy
It only becomes questionable to gullible retards like you who weren't there when shit happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66121920
I reckon managers thought 'I can hire interns and work them to the bone while I take vacations /work from home lifestyle'

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
It could be worse. They could be Wactor. Although that's an extremely fucking low bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66098234
>Exon massive Oil Leak
>BP Deep Water Horizon
>Union Carbide Bopal disaster
>Triangle Shirt Waist Fire
Except, unironically, nobody remembers those, because those corporations have good management and good PR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115115
>talents used to complain FAR more about management, omega specifically got a lot of snarky comments over the years
>fans have noticed positive changes and a new direction
>talents have talked about positive changes recently, problems being taken care of
Of course there are still issues but things have absolutely improved since Jap took the head position and only sisters who unironically believe this guy is dogwhilstling /#/ on his linkedin and therefore their ideological enemy would disagree.
Also for all the
>I just think Jap is cringe o-okay
posting by seething sisters, omega was 1000x worse in that department he felt the need to hoover up attention on twitter, talent debuts, leddit.
He was a literal predebut vtweeter, can't get more cringe than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
Eh, I've had worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112964
Correct
But if you mention that you will instantly become mainland chinese according to this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>66125575

[Anonymous No.]

it's over

[Anonymous No.]

>>66098234
YES.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>66116738
fucked off to shill his vtuber nft company

[Anonymous No.]

>>66099033
>mentioning that but ignoring the whole we hired a person who actually wanted to rape and drug our talents and yet he passed the company background check and would have debuted if the fans didnt discover his tweets
>or ignoring we suspended and terminated a liver who made fun of baseball but defended another liver who actually committed online fraud in stream and only gave him 1 week suspension
>or my favorite we had to close down yumenographia because one of the people involved did extra service to one of the management staff and the employees werent even contacted beforhand and only realized it due to a tweet from management

[Anonymous No.]

>>66129862(me)
pic related was the first one
also if you want receipts for the whole online fraud thing https://www.j-cast.com/2020/07/03389456.html?in=news.yahoo.co.jp&utm_medium=provide&utm_source=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=news_471457&utm_content=related4
the yumenographia tweet is sadly gone though

[Anonymous No.]

>>66101469
>>66107874
>>66110926
Not just the redskins, washington teams as a whole are looking like ass with half of them heading over to VA soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112479
>management gave her antis mod status
This is so fucking disingenous. Her MANAGER did it by accident after they set up a moderator list for Coco's chat to handle the chink spammers but her manager mixed it up with the ban list.
Who writes this garbage?
>Reddit screencap
Oh now I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
It feels like Anycolor hates the fact that they have an EN branch at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66136107
A higher up has family suffered in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki nuke during WW2 so he saw an opportunity to open an EN branch for Niji so he can legally fuck with the gaijins they hired and making their gaijin fanbase seethe for your amusement

[Anonymous No.]

>>66122966
She literally was in hololive a little over a year she didn’t do much. If she was special she’d still be making waves now of only being brought up when she says something stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>66125365
>Used to get a lot of snarky comments over the years
Post 2 comments
>Noticed positive changes and new direction
Ina now streams inconsistently, Ame now streams inconsistently, Gura, Mori hangs onto collabs for dear life, Kiara complaining about random petty issues. The only positive change is advent but guess what we’ve had 2 homo releases as well compared to 2021 which was a good year
>Talents have talked
Literally mostly Kiara and she does that every year just to doom post about something stupid later. You’re just as schizo as anyone calling him the enemy if you think he’s played a role in anything. You know what’s actually changed? They go to japan now every other week it’s nothing to do with en management

[Anonymous No.]

>>66129862
I was waiting for you to add to the laundry list of the other companies as well but you’re just a schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>66132205
So mistakes can be made and you’re not a corporate dick rider for pointing it out? I’m starting to think schizos aren’t actually trying to discuss anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>66138095
Coco was only special because of the environment she was in. She also had access to high quality collab partners compared to the literal whos she tried to do the same content with later.
The reason why she didn't do as well after leaving is because most of the shit she did was done better by other people in the scene.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesas, what kind of mental illness you need to have to defend this hard a corporation and instead of discussing possible solutions you only go full projection about other corpos
>Yeah niji bad, but WHAT ABOUT [Insert Corpo]
More interesting is trying to grab other yabs from other corpos instead of caring what problems the corpo you're defending already has. I can't seriously believe it's a enraged jealous fan, you have to be really deep into their shit, like someone defending their papers and justifying it to avoid being reproved.

Niji is bad, not totally black since Wactor did exist, but bad enough to have this discussion in the first place, what mark it as Kurosaji is the fact that, they were big, they have many talents and they have assets big enough to farm a lot of money only to fail in this side of the world (And also JP, they're not doing well there too the cultural and relevancy war, Cover outmatched them already)

How to improve it? You literally need the nuke bottom at this poing, killing the clique, firing all the EN staff and hiring pro people, not old managers from previous personas from your girls, they will ALWAYS favor their girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66138714
Pointing out a mistake is fine as long as you explain the circumstances behind it. Saying
>MANAGEMENT PUT CHINKS AS COCOS MODS!
As though claiming they did it just to spite her is being a disingenuous faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66139113
Is because they don't want to the truth, isn't about not knowing or being retarded, they made up their head canon and stick with it because is what they want, not what really happened. Same shit with some Fandead trying to blame Cover about Mike being stupid as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66139113
Anon so what’s your opinion on disingenuous explanations?>>66138903

[Anonymous No.]

>>66139967
He's has good points. What is the problem with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66139806
I don’t know what’s worse the English or the irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>66140010
>>66132205
>a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
The fuck you on about, massive success with building that yatch collection. They hit the mark, for the owner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66119514
Yep, it's this.
Matata was super deep in the politics rabbit hole before becoming a VTuber.
VTubing got her out of that and into a much more positive content creation space of gaming and chatting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66120556
>Launch
Lazulight
>Growth
Obsydia through Noctyx
>Maturity
Illuna
>Bloat
Xsoliel
>Budget cuts
Krisis
>Failure/Implosion
TTT

[Anonymous No.]

>>66097747
They let everyone go hogwild without properly establishing rules of conduct until things became irreversibly bad. Not having enough managers, the ones they have are spread thin. WAY too many people to manage in general. Thus people feel and literally are replaceable.

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>>66138903
>How to improve it? You literally need the nuke bottom at this poing, killing the clique, firing all the EN staff and hiring pro people, not old managers from previous personas from your girls, they will ALWAYS favor their girls.
I dont think even that can save NijiEN. One of the first 3 talents to join is about to bail, another widely loved member is still MIA and we don't know if she's staying or has also submitted her two week notice, even overlooking management's numerous failures as one reason why the branch has a bad reputation, the other problem lies with some of the talents. Some arguably used it as a dating pool, some used it as their gateway to glorified e-prostitution for quick cash, some treated it as a trashy reality TV show, there's still plenty of other normal people there or genuine otaku but those few also did a number on the branch's image. I don't know how you can turn things around outside of actually giving the talents 3D debuts and concerts, so you can convince some new talents that its still worth joining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66115957
In one of Gura's first karaoke streams she dedicated a performance of Judgement to Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>66112708
Deleted or photoshop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66120556
You know that this image is bullshit to gaslight people into thinking that it's ok to get screwed by your employer.