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Remember to thank the OGs for letting your whores live on easy mode.

>> No.65954498

Knights of the Round...

>> No.65954529

I will never respect Roboco

>> No.65954677

Gura made Hololive popular not them

>> No.65954680

>>65954529
But she's cute though

>> No.65954709

>>65954677
Miko and Korone did. Kill yourself

>> No.65954710

>>65954290
>Almost 700% increase between JP4 and JP5 in only 7 months

Was this solely because of the traction JP4 created or was there more stuff going on at the time? I started watching chuubas around that time but I wasn't as invested as I am now

>> No.65954757

>>65954677
nope. she leeched off of the senpai's hardwork and the cumbies had the audacity to ask them how they feel about it. senpais laid the road and she just walked it.

>> No.65954945

>>65954710
It was the golden era of clip channels and covid was at its peak. We had nothing better to do lol

>> No.65954984

>>65954757
Sums up Gura perfectly

>> No.65955137

>>65954290
Was there for gen3 debut. Good times. Didn't know about the /jp/ threads till around gen4 was announced.

>> No.65955392

>>65954709
Fubuki and Aqua did by pandering to the Chinks.

>> No.65955943

>>65955392
The Hololive of today was built on the back of Chinese nationalist clippers, a global pandemic and racial slurs. Don't let history erase this fact.

>> No.65956266

>>65955943
Also let us not forget .Live's efforts in all this. Siro's PC and virtual Voldemort are the unsung heroes behind Hololive's success.

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kneel

>> No.65956486

>>65954677
In America and Europe? undeniably, but there would be no Gura without Sora, Kizuna Ai and some others before her.

>> No.65956663

>>65954529
but why

>> No.65957449

>>65954709
Let's be honest here, it wasn't any one member who made hololive popular, it was a group effort.

>> No.65957561

they made chumbies live on this board

>> No.65957588

>>65954290
Holokek shitting on other Holokeks, knows absolutely nothing about the history of vtubing otherwise.
Shiorin, is that you?

>> No.65957591

>>65954290
Why don't JPs turn out for ENs and IDs? Do they hate unity?

>> No.65957638 [DELETED] 

>>65957588
I can tell your skin is brown.

>> No.65957680

>>65957638
What do you have against brown people anon?

>> No.65957697

>>65956486
>and Europe
I think it's debatable whether they grew past pre-EN 2020 numbers in Europe at all. JP had more EU viewers than NA viewers back then, but EN has never had a consistent EU primetime streamer, and VODs won't convince anyone to stick around long term. Everyone I know here who still cares about hololive started with JP and still watches JP.

>> No.65957739

>>65954677
>>65954709
fubuki's scatman and terminator spiderman did

>> No.65957790

>>65954677
miko and coco

>> No.65957849

>>65957697
EN usually stream in retarded times

>> No.65957952

>>65954677
Sora, Fubuki and Aqua

>> No.65959017

>>65957680
Yo I just got warned for racism. When the fuck has that been a thing?

>> No.65960864

>>65959017
Racism outside of /b/ has been something that can be reported for years now

its barely reported or enforced but it exists

>> No.65960978

>>65954710
Gee. What possible event could have happened between start of 2020 and the middle of that year?

>> No.65961124

>>65954677
>>65955392
>>65955943
>>65956266
if you think about it hard enough, you can thank
the 2 nukes dropped during WW2 for hololive's success

>> No.65961552

>>65954677
/thread

>> No.65961849

>>65954677
EN is the only branch to average fewer viewers now than it did in 2020. They were handed a huge free audience through a combination of JP clips and COVID and have been fumbling it in slow motion for 3 years

>> No.65962256

>half of gen0 debuted after gen1
>mio debuted over 5 months before korone and okayu but are in the same generation
nani the fuck? They don't look like actual generations until jp4/id1

>> No.65962461

>>65962256
Gen 0 isn't actually a generation, they were all solo debuts (and none of them debuted under the "hololive" brand either). Mel was also supposed to be a solo debut originally but got moved into gen 1 due to a prehistoric yab.
Gamers was also never planned as a generation, it was pretty much just an excuse to hire FBK's friends.

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>>65955392
>>65954709
For me it was seeing a meme of Watame crying about her dad
https://litter.catbox.moe/f0mfne.mp4
>>65959017
It happens on this board a lot, especially when talking abut SEA. If I elaborated further the mod would straight up ban me lol

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>>65954529

>> No.65967565

YAGOAT

>> No.65967686

>>65962256
I feel like JP3 was really the first proper gen.

>> No.65967712

>>65954290
Kek, ollie debuted to 60k and now she is a 3 view, what a fumble

>> No.65967931

>>65967712
>ollie is a 3 view
citation needed

>> No.65968032

>>65967931
Her ongoing stream? Retard.

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>>65967931

>> No.65968611

>>65954677
zero impact on JP audience and JP>>>EN so she doesn't matter

>> No.65968674

>>65954290
Wait, Meru was bigger on debut than Fubuki even? How is that possible? And why did she drop off so much?

>> No.65968787

>>65968674
>How is that possible?
Booba
Is my guess

>> No.65968841

>>65957849
They stream at perfectly reasonable times to target a North American core audience. But that is by far the worst time for a European audience; JP in the middle of the euro day is far easier.

>> No.65969109

>>65968787
>Noel mogged the rest of sankisei at debut
You may be onto something.

>> No.65969263

>>65968674
How is that so surprising? Nobody knows what they are like until debut. People thought Mel looked more interesting, that's it.

>> No.65969313

>>65968674
>And why did she drop off so much?
The three blondes were awful at the beginning and everyone forgot they even existed. Mel got a boost from lewd ASMR but lost her trump card after Susan started cracking down on lewd content. She couldn't compete with her personality so she faded into irrelevance.

>> No.65969326

>>65961124
If you really really want to think about it, the black ships forcing Japan to open up to the rest of the world made this happen

>> No.65969372

>>65968674
Mel took a LONG break when Hololive was blowing up so she missed out on the influx of viewers

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>>65954290

>> No.65969396

>>65954677
Based chumchad

>> No.65969440

>>65954677
HoloEN wouldn't exist without Coco and Gen4 wouldn't exist without Gen3 being pure kino

>> No.65969487

>>65969109
I thought Noel being the most popular of Gen3 at debut was due to her roommate

>> No.65969562

>>65969263
Is that true? I've heard so many anons shittalk Meru's design as some low tier coomer VirtualGirlCreator game design. Never really seen it be praised as a good design or something that 'looked interesting'

>> No.65969620

>>65969487
Noel was like Choco prior to her
Both jumped way ahead of all their Gen peers in overall Subscribers but neither was top dog in actual viewer CCV ever.

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>>65954529
cope

>> No.65969842

>>65954677
I would say shit bait but it clearly worked

>> No.65969883

>>65954290
Jesus those are grim #s for MiComet

>> No.65969884

>>65954677
Gura made Gura popular
The majority of EN viewers never step outside the bubble of their oshi or their gen

>> No.65970020

>>65969326
The truth of the matter is, Izanami and Izanagi birthing Japan into existence is the sole reason for this.

>> No.65970043

>>65969562
Mel's mama draws some good oppai

>> No.65970065

>>65969562
Choco-2nd debut in her gen
Noel-1st
Lamy-2nd
Kronii&Fauna-1st and 2nd
Chloe-2nd
Coomer design works.

>> No.65970097

>>65968841
The fact that they so heavily target NA is the issue, really. The EN branch was originally supposed to be global, but they've been in this cycle of focusing heavily on NA, so fewer people from elsewhere watch them, so they focus on NA even harder. That narrowing focus has left EN as the only branch of hololive that's not growing in viewers, and they've been at it so long that I don't think it's fixable any more.

>> No.65970108

Thanks for the lower standards of entry, old bitches

>> No.65970258

>>65970097
It’s such a non-issue too
Literally all they have to do is have the girls stream around noon or early in the afternoon which is late afternoon or early evening for Europe

>> No.65970320

>>65954529
stfu, she's a goddess

>> No.65970324

>>65969883
Suisei was an indie, that was a good number under the circumstances. Miko was originally a separate project, and was planning on quitting over her numbers until Yagoo talked her out of it.

>> No.65970483

>>65970320
That's Sora

>> No.65970661

>>65954290
Holy shit, the gap between JP4 and JP5

>> No.65971032

>>65969562
Her design is kinda basic, but undeniably sex and that has it's own appeal.

>> No.65971503

>>65970661
It's more crazy if you think about the fact they grow the most in the time when the copyright incident happed

>> No.65971506

>>65954290
Do you have one with Advent?

>> No.65971842

>>65971506
Not OP but I have the numbers:
2023-07-30 (Saturday NA, Sunday elsewhere):
Shiori: 126,922
Bijou: 128,811
2023-07-31 (Sunday NA, Monday elsewhere):
Nerissa: 107,398
FWMC: 119,820

>> No.65971959

>>65954290
But unikeks told me sankisei made hololive popular, by pandering to them. Why would people lie on the internet like this?

>> No.65972380

>>65971959
Because the real answer is that dragon made hololove popular by pandering to reddit and westaboos everyone here is too embarassed to admit it.

>> No.65972577

To extend the number autism, JP gens have an average debut viewer growth of 250%, while EN's average is 20%. Looking at Advent's debuts, they got much worse viewership on Monday JST despite enormous interest in FWMC, suggesting that a lot of their debut viewers were JOPs - enough that maybe EN actually had no growth from its main target audience.

>> No.65972725

>>65971842
Always bet on cunny.

>> No.65972866

>>65954677
Post membership and merch.

>> No.65973210

>>65972380
Coco was the Commodore Perry of vtubing

>> No.65973321

Judging by this Micomet might be their greatest hire in company history. No one else from that era of vtubing in 2018 is either still around or still popular. They've been in the game for this long and still at the top of the industry. Respect to Sora too of course.

>> No.65973792

>>65954677
>>65954709
>>65957739
before any of that, this clip did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHs4VTb2FU&pp=ygUPbWF0c3VyaSBiYW5kYWlk

>> No.65973897

>>65973792
scatman was before that retard

>> No.65973976

>>65973321
Both Miko and Suisei were DOA and wouldve retired years ago without being integrated into the Holobox

>> No.65974180

Reminder that Choco was once the most popular member and the face of HoloJP

>> No.65974519

>>65974180
Not quite, at her peak in February/March 2019 she was 3rd overall behind Sora and Fubuki and weeks away from surpassing Fubuki before Fox Friend and Aqua hit a notable incline that eluded Choco. Setting subscribers aside, Choco was always mid tier or worse when you looked at CCV instead of Subscribers.
It’s a stretch to call her the face of HoloJP at any point in time but she was solidly 2nd Army and arguably 1st Army in early 2019 in her hayday.

>> No.65974750

>>65974519
Most of Choco old VODs have been deleted, she even had to make a 2nd channel to avoid that, so the CCV data is wrong, the same for the subs.

Sora was never popular, Aqua, Fubuki, Subaru and Ayame only got popular after they started to leech from Nijisanji

>> No.65974977

>>65973976
That's why I said they were great hires. I can't tell if you can't read or just felt the need to reinforce my point.

>> No.65974989

>>65954677
I have to respect bait this potent

>> No.65976344

>>65974750
>t.retaded nijinigger
Fubuki and Aqua inclined because they are chink favorites and Sora is the only relevant one entire 2018.

>> No.65976552

>>65961124
>>65969326
both of you are really retarded
>>65970020
correct answer

>> No.65978504

>>65973321
>No one else from that era of vtubing in 2018 is either still around or still popular.
The most ignorant post in this thread.

>> No.65979421

>>65976344
>because they are chink favorites
Thats what he said, niji pandering

>> No.65982162

>>65968674
>sexy character with sexy asmr
>youtube goes on a war path against sexy anime girls
>choco and mel get nuked
yes yes i am spoonfeeding cause by god this board needs some infos about old days

>> No.65982503

>>65954677
Based truthful chad, someone had to say it

>> No.65982972

>>65976344
Both became popular way before China was a factor (not that China was ever a big factor to begin with).

>> No.65983381

>>65978504
Please enlighten me in who I could be missing? And yes, I purposely left out Irongrift since her rise to fame was due to everything not related to vtubing.

>> No.65985442

>>65954677
unironically true and this will make JP only niggers seethe till the end of time

>> No.65985494

>>65955943
>The Hololive of today was built on the back of Chinese nationalist clippers, a global pandemic and racial slurs. Don't let history erase this fact.
God damn this is on point, I especially like the chink nationalist part cause now they can only seethe and cry, fucking bugs got exploited for once

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>>65954290
I kneel so hard for sora, aqua & Fbking. Fbk carried them alone for a period of time when her numbers were skyrocketing

>> No.65985838

>>65970258
most of EU is 8 hours ahead of most of NA. you're seriously suggesting that they switch to streaming in the morning (PST) for a good chunk of their audience to try and get people that don't watch them to watch them. even though there is someone that always streams in a good EU time and gets shit numbers (kiara)

>> No.65986066

>>65985838
The implicit suggestion is that EN should hire people who stream on a more varied schedule in general, not that the existing members should move. EN is both too small and too concentrated on NA hours to serve as a real global branch.
Also, you can't infer potential popularity in a region from one person. Kiara doesn't consistently stream in EU primetime to begin with (she routinely starts at 3-4PM) and you could just as easily point to people with low viewers in NA/JP/ID time slots to say those aren't viable, which is obviously wrong.

>> No.65986295

>>65983381
Aqua, Subaru, Kuzuha, Kanae, Toya.
I would say class of 2018 is the best of vtubers over Pekomari 2019.

>> No.65986396

>>65986066
the explicit message says that the current members should stream at a bad time (late morning to early afternoon) while you even admit that 3-4PM is a shit time

>> No.65986484

>>65983381
Mito, Kuzuha, Chinman, Peanuts-kun and Ponpoko are all still popular and they all debuted before Suisei. I wouldn't call Subaru, Fubuki, Ayame, Aqua etc. unpopular either.
Some other notable 2018 debuts include Yashiro, Maimoto, Patra, Natori, Tenkaiji, Kanae, Sasaki, Omesis and ShibuHal just to name a few.

>> No.65986504

>>65986295
All of those vtubers were not popular until mid to late 2019 you moron. Try to keep up.

>> No.65987109

>>65986396
They always used to do events earlier (around when Ina starts) and it was totally fine. And again, I'm talkiing more generally. It's fine if some of their content or even most of their content is focused on NA, but it's stupid when it ALL is 4 years into the "global" branch's existence.

>> No.65987356

>>65954498
I wonder how many people here even knows about the knights.

>> No.65987919

>>65986504
We are talking about the debuting date.
On top of that, Mito is crowned as an og of modern vtuber.
I left her out because she fell off from her prime.

>> No.65988120

>>65974750
>Sora was never popular
Sora was consistently still in the top 3 alongside Fubuki and Aqua until Gen 3 debuted.

>> No.65989140

>>65982162
When exactly did this ASMR nukes strike Choco and Mel? Like what month? I'm looking at data from 2019 and want to see the impact you mention and how it handicapped them in relation and comparison to the others but I'm not sure what month Youtube struck out at them.

>> No.65989220

>>65969884
That’s a lie she carried myth and while she tends to have the most jp viewer crossover the biggest thing is that there were tons of articles being made in every language about the viral vtubing shark closing in on kizuna ai and kaguya luna. If you think that had 0 effect on hololive’s growth you’re crazy

>> No.65989261

>>65954529
Kill yourself

>> No.65989311

>>65972380
No you’re just retarded. Debut ccv has never mattered

>> No.65989333

>>65988120
none of them were popular back then though LOL

>> No.65989356

>>65954709
Time to put the old dog down. BAU BAU!

>> No.65989377

>>65972577
Interest here isn’t enormous interest. If this placed mattered gura would be a 3 view instead of far and away the most popular

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>>65989333
Yeah, sure.
Retard.

>> No.65989452

>>65986504
Wait when do you think suisei and miko got popular?? Oh I get it newfag pretending he’s been there all along

>> No.65989475

>>65987919
You're proving the point. Just about every vtuber from that era has fallen off aside from Micomet.

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>>65954290
>Aloe 83k
Poor girl was panicking and nervous as hell when she had big numbers for her Delutaya model debut. Then what happened a few days later she never had a chance.

I'm glad she is comfy at her current size she mentions a lot that she can't imagine streaming regularly to Hololive crowds.

>> No.65989598

>>65989452
>Oh I get it newfag pretending he’s been there all along
Yep, that's exactly it.

>> No.65989644

>>65989434
May 2018 was the last time she topped that chart and by no stretch of the imagination would you call vtubers popular. Even the schizos in numbers know how to read charts

>> No.65989703

>>65989644
>and by no stretch of the imagination would you call vtubers popular
Moving the goalpost, I see.
Also why didn't you answer this >>65989452 ?

>> No.65989708

>>65954290
Damn, Roboco started off pretty strong, comparatively.

>> No.65989711

>>65989434
none of those people in 2018 were popular. being the best shitter in still a shitter

>> No.65989977

>>65989518
>I definitely prefer this size of audience so please buy 2 of everything or I’ll go broke
Everyone says that when they know they’ll never be that size. (Not really a slight against her but also yes it is if she said that)

>> No.65989984

>>65989140
Around dezember 2019 for Choco
its why she made a sub account early 2020

>> No.65990124

>>65989703
Anon those are both me and to save you time I’m on an iphone (there’s supposed to be a screenshot attached but you can no longer upload files on incognito weird)

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>>65954677
Sure but myth combined is what made the magic work. Same with gen 3 and coco korone and miko. Good job for taking all the salty bait

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>>65954677
The market was already there due to clippers of JP.
There was a shitload of people anxiously waiting for someone they could understand finally.
JP crawled so EN could walk.

>> No.65990268

>>65990149
I can’t tell if you believe Gura would’ve died out on her own or if you somehow think Coco did more than Gura. I’ll just call you a schizo and move on

>> No.65990274

>>65989984
So when she was already irrelevant?

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>>65954290

My oshi has been in this since before any of yours.

(Except Tokino Sora, but we love her)

>> No.65990490

>>65990182
You make a valid point but I’ll raise a different point. ID and CN both of which couldn’t compare. Aqua and Gura probably had more ID and CN fans than both branches combined not to mention Pekora, Haachama, Miko, Fubuki etc. Hololive hadn’t reached a point where you just had a built in audience yet but in general terms you are correct JP literally crawled to EN could walk because JP existed before EN. Outside of that EN stood on their own 2 feet

>> No.65990970

>>65989977
She was invited to Vshoujo by Kson and declined she could have the numbers if she wanted them.

>> No.65991282

It's hard to take any of these posts seriously when 90% of the posters here only know of hololive's existence because of EN and Coco and were never there for any of the information they're talking about.

>> No.65991385

>>65990970
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1544080640882069504
fuck off schizo

>> No.65991473

>>65989984
To be frank, it is noticeable that Choco and Mel took a hit around this time but by no means did it take them down from the top tier. Both were on the lower end of CCV before these 'nukes' struck and the impact was to send them to the very bottom.
The most that could be said in regards to this nuke harming them was that prior to the strikes she was the 4th most subscribed member of Hololive at the time. But the growth rates in the months prior were showing Choco starting to lose momentum even before she was struck by Youtube. The worst you could say that happened from the ASMR bans was that it hastened the irrelevancy of Choco and Mel by a few months sooner as the likes of Gen3 and Coco were completely redefining the meta in Hololive and by extension Vtubing.

>> No.65991693

>>65991473
Nta but at that time yt used to be more involved with the algorithm. You get a snip first and then blasted. Doesn’t mean that’s what happened but it wasn’t isolated incidents either

>> No.65991710

>>65991385
Yeah because they were both getting blown up in their DMs asking about it.
https://youtu.be/p4NF93c3mhc?si=ERVMaVKeZBAheMNi
She and Kson talked when Delu told her she planes to be a singer and go alone.
https://youtu.be/JLaATMXopIg?si=vNok5hAGqWrWywsk

Delu still greatly respects and likes Kson.
https://youtu.be/8xj8QnyiRfQ?si=h3WmJ8ypS_NV2WhQ

I can read between the lines Delu wants to do it on her own Kson respects that.

>> No.65991891

>>65991693
I get you but even assuming there were no strikes and Mel and Choco maintained their prior numbers and growth rates, they would have still be overtaken by the others who began to surge.
To use an RPG analogy, say the Hololive members were about to fight a raid boss. Mel and Choco were coming in underleveled, the strikes took away their equipment on top of that. Even if you gave them their equipment back they still would not have done that well being underleveled compared to the others.

>> No.65992857

>>65983381
literally most of there chuubas matter?

Patra, Fuji Aoi, Peanuts, Ponpoko, Virtual girl Nemu, Deep Web Underground-chan, HimaHina sisters, Omega sisters, Kaga sisters, Kanae, Kuzuha, Mito, Chihiro, Yashiro, Maimoto, Subaru, Aqua, Shion. Tenkai Tsukasa, Monsterz Mate, Utai Makea, Fairys, Akkun Daimaou, Virtual Gorilla, Pakael, Natori Sana, Nekomiya Hinata.

No other year has this much legacy came out of it, not even close.

>> No.65992943

>>65992857
Damn, that's one hell of a list.

>> No.65993088

>>65954677
Chumbies are delusional. Gura will be forgotten after she graduates unlike Kizuna AI and Miko and Fubuki

>> No.65993495

>>65991710
NTA
summary:
>I made a fanfic

>> No.65993919

>>65992857
add Toya, Reid, Hal, Tamaki, Haneru to that list as well. Holy hell it's not even close.

>> No.65994369

>>65992857
YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD. The entire point of the original topic was not that the vtubers in your list from 2018 and before are no longer around or not respected, the point was that they are well past their primes and have been on gradual decline. That is an irrefutable fact for everyone that meets the criteria. And that basically Suisei and Miko are two of the rare vtubers from that era that not only haven't peaked yet, but are bigger than ever before. It's not a dig at the other OGs, it's a compliment to Micomet.

>> No.65994935

>>65994369
Aqua, Subaru, Toya and Kuzuha are at the highest point they've ever been tough.

>> No.65994962

>>65994369
Then that still don't apply to Patra, Peanuts-kun and Ponpoko

>> No.65995184

>>65954677
tpbp
JPfags destroyed

>> No.65995565

>>65994369
It seem like you rather upset that people praise the whole class of 2018 instead of shitting on Micometfag delusional.

>> No.65995776

"But what have you done for me lately?"

>> No.65996380

>>65986504
Ok and Suisei and Miko werent popular until 2020
Miko was a literal 2view shitter until they integrated her with the box

>> No.66000303

>>65954677
lol

>> No.66005778

>>65996380
until she went viral with a kino playthrough you mean

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