/#/ numbers thread

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Catdog edition
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>>6568597
>literally ZERO Nijisanji
Yep, they're done for. They need a Gura or a Coco or both in their new debut, they can't wait any longer than this.

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Kuzuhasisters... what happened.

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The mysterious case of the missing Nijisanji

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>>6568597
>>6568676
>>6568709
Were they on vacation or something? Qrd please, I don't follow Nijis.

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>>6568597
Flare got 17k? Impressive.

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>>6568597
>Apexsanji losing the Apex war to hags
Did Choco-sensei reignite the interest of the hags in playing Apex?

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>>6568676
>>6568709
There is a Niji in that image... just not in their channel. They don't lose, but also don't win.

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>>6568767
Hololive too powerful

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>>6568597
This is nijisanji without kuzuha

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>>6568597
Niji females now are relegated to just being accessories, aren't they? End of an era?

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>>6568767
Niji gets way less viewerw beacuse they never bothered pandering to dirty gaijin. Hololive is just a lot more accessible due to more focus on singing and more idol like activites that draw new fans in.

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>>6568884
You thought Manjisanji was just a meme?

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>>6568909
Nice cope. Did you ever think that maybe they just suck and that is why people don't watch them? There doesn't have to be a deep reason for it. They just aren't entertaining.

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>>6568909
I thought gaijins don't like idols and idol culture in general. Now you're saying it's actually a draw. Which is it?

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>>6568909
>Nijisanji
>never bothered pandering to dirty gaijin
ahem

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>>6568884
>be Suzuhara Lulu
>see the writing on the wall
>would rather career sudoku than be accessorized to a male
>make up the stalker excuse so she could greaduate to big numbers before Niji females became completely irrelevant
I is a made up rrat of my own novel design. I just told you this. Donut steel, but believe it and do it anyway.

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>>6568953
People don't know what they want. Never listen to the consumer because they think they know what they want but really don't. Some Hololive fans think they want the girls to be openly crude dirty whores to stick it to the idolfags but how many foreigners watch gundou?

What people really want is "live action" Yuru Yuri. Hololive provides that. It's a CGDCT substitute.

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>>6568921
Man, I hope that's not true. I dread the fact that instead of Nijis helping out their female talents, they'd rather cut em loose like what they did to Gibara and Lulu.

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>>6568990
An entire year after the Hololive boom. Great timing.

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>>6569028
All the girls will be gone by the middle of next year and Nijisanji will transform into a male only agency. They are already in the process of doing that as you mentioned by forcing out Gibara and Lulu.

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>>6568990
Debuting a branch almost a year late after getting your ass violated no vaseline and handed back to you on a silver plate because you couldn't be bothered to do it properly the first time around isn't exactly what I would call pandering, anon.

The Holos picked up on this very quickly, adapted and moved in on this like it was their last hurrah. Where were the Nijis?

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>>6569028
Nah, you don't need to worry about that. They'll never cut them loose because having female vtubers around is good for the males. If malexfemale scandal happens, people will only bash the female, as you can see with Kuzuha and blue oni and many more.

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>>6569028
Wave 2 was released. Two more would be released next year too, and that'll be the end of it because Males are also joining the nijiEN scene. They'll end up like their ID and KR branch, only with more viewers than them.

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>>6569027
Who would you say is Toshinou Kyouko?

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>>6569948
Nene

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what was gen 5's debut number compared to EN's debut number?

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>>6570943
NijiEN's future

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>>6570943
>>6570969
Damn, even the NijiEn girls are only on par of the lowest tier of HoloIDs. At least Hana Machia is inclining once again. I wonder if the newest additions of NijiEN regret not joining the winning team. Hmm..

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>>6571117
They couldn't join holoen even if they wanted to, this round of niji auditions were done before holoEN announced their wave 2 auditions so even if they applied for both there's no point in delaying for the hope of getting accepted into hololive

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>>6571117
You're comparing 2 month old vtubers to 7 month old vtubers

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>>6569125
They were too good for dirty gaijin anon

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21k and rising while streaming during dead hours

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>>6571745
She is supposedly a Vsinger so why is she playing games? This is not fair.

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>>6571745
>while streaming during dead hours
Maybe because of it? It is now a little over
>4PM in Japan
>2PM in Indonesia
>10AM in Moscow
>9AM in Berlin, Paris and most of Western Europe
>3AM in the east coast of the US
>Midnight in the west coast
The fact there is nothing else on and that it is not sleeping hours in most of the timezones may be helping the numbers

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>>6571967
That's a good thing though. Instead of competing when other streams are on she'll find her own slot, kinda like what Ina does.

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>>6571967
Make me wonder her own timezone.
Could she like working at graveyard shift?

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>>6571745
Kuzuha...Shibuhal...She's mogging those big Apex vtubers like it's nothing...

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>>6572191
Given that she’s a VSinger whose bulk of the work will be Vsinging, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s living there n Japan, where she can access both the 3D studio required for live shows and the studios Cover use for song recordings

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>>6571745
I think 10k would be her base number after newbie buff

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>>6572271
Makes sense, we will see eventually.

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>>6568597
Nenechi in top!

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>>6572191
According to the rrats, she's been living in JP this whole time and even has dual citizenship.

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>>6571967
She is getting SEAnig viewers. A lot were spamming their current time and they had the same time or 1hr later. Lots of nip viewers too.

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>>6571745
It still is her honeymoon phase, we will know her normal numbers after a month or so.

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>>6572407
It ain't rrat. She's from Hawaii

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>>6568694
kek.

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>>6572443
>she's been living in JP this whole time
>She's from Hawaii
a..anon?

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>>6570943
>>6570969
HoloENs were lucky they debuted at the right time (peak lockdown). live views in general will continue to recline.
>recently slowed down
>perhaps influenced by lifting lockdown restrictions

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>>6572658
She is a halfu. Born and raised in Hawaii to an American dad and a Japanese mom. She has dual citizenship so the moment that she can she decided to move out and live in Japan.

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>>6572672
ah yes how new?
Do your archive reps anon. You may think that live viewers are reclining for everyone but Holo has been inclining since mid April.

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>>6572672
Didn't the original NijiEn also debuted at the same time as them?

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>>6573051
Noor...

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>>6572672
Graph-anon already called you out on your bullshit the last time you posted this.

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>>6573051
The pajeets? Those guys had no marketing push what so ever and 2 of them barely streamed

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People are clicking and then leaving IRyS stream immediately because of how ugly her model is lmao. Fooling people with fanart ain't gonna work.

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>>6573051
>rebranding Nijsanji India as NijiEN rigjt after Hololive announces HoloEN to try to beat them to the punch
I will never not laugh at this

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>>6568909
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha
Type にじさんじ英語 in YouTube and you will get a bunch of Duolingo shit
They also have an OFFICIAL English translation clip channel and paid ads to spread it around

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>>6569125
What's that? I thought they were too good for filthy gaijin? Now they are pandering to them and failing even after doing that?

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>>6573729
They're not pandering. None of the top Nijis pander to them. They just want a foothold in the West for future endeavors. Hololive directed the market too much into EOP/SEAnigger flavor and now they're forced to play the game to some extent.

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>>6573924
Explain the duolingo streams then

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>>6573924
Don't know what kind of foothold they're aiming for in the west when they already got a chinese market.

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>>6573924
And thanks to that they inclined. The rise of gaijin on their fanbase give holo more exposure inside JP. A little pandering whorts all the subs and new view they got both outside and inside of nippon. Niji had their chance and they blew it.

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>>6573924
Even Kuzuha has been pandering to his EOPs by reading their chats, before Hololive EN existed you newFRIEND

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>Niji gets way less viewerw beacuse they never bothered pandering to dirty gaijin

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>>6573988
None of the top nijis do it. Only those that get shit viewers.

>>6574111
That's not what "pandering" is, retard.

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>None of the top nijis do it
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxheq1SX6IA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPQbkBH9bmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfP1oE-IeE

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>>6574148
What is it then?

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>>6574133
Wow who the fuck are these literally whos? Their views can't even break 200k.

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>>6574316
>he obsessively goes searching for anything related to the subject
>still fails to find anything relevant
Also, you're goal post moving. It was about duolingo streams only. The only ones who do that shit are the ones who failed to get big with the JP audience, fact.

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>>6574388
Indiesanji

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>>6574316
anon those are all JP majority streams the joke is perapera eigo, then he talks in baby english. now, never post kanae in this thread again, or else

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>person who are moving goalpost from nijisanji not pandering to top nijis not pandering talking about moving goalpost
lmao
Nijiniggers are fucking pathetic

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>>6574512
There are literally hundreds of nijis. You can't say they pander to EOP/SEAniggers on average. And the ones that do are usually doing it out of desperation like Shiina and Gundou, because they killed all the future prospects of their JP audience.

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from
>they're not pandering
to
>the top not pandering
to
>they're not pandering on average
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Amazing
So this is the power of Nijiniggers

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>>6573616
I seriously want to question and maybe beat up the one who decided that was a good idea and also the guy who think releasing that PR statement after aloe yab too. Do they think a small PR show-off is better than surfing along holo success in the west? god.

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>>6574652
The top ones not pandering is just an example of them not needing to, because they already have a big established JP viewerbase. They know they would alienate them if they started doing it.

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>>6574605
Wait, what did Shiina do? Doesn't she always clings to Okayu with every opportunity that she could find.

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>>6574652
circus

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>>6574013
VirtuaReal is more of a CN managed group borrowing Niji IP. They want more control over the groups now when it comes to Western market.

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>>6572672
>live views in general will continue to recline.
Yeah, "reclining" upwards.
>pic related
Average live viewership (and average peak viewership for Hololive EN+ID+JP.

Even Holostars are picking steam.

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>>6574652
The legendary nijicope

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>>6575329
can you make a chart of Holostars as a whole? thank you for your work in making these threads actually on topic.

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Tomorrow chart will be the first where Coco graduation falls off the "14 days average". it will be interesting to see where the average lands

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I remember astel karaoke stream had like 2k viewers few days ago but the votes on chat is like 3.5k, so it is the hidden viewers youtube bug again. I suspect after december the stars did incline a bit but due to the youtube change it feels like they stagnated.

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>>6575392
Here it goes, updated to date

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>>6575385
Stop replying to yourself. None of the statements are contradictory to each other. Hololive goes to such extreme extents that they literally dumb down their Japanese on purpose to make it easier for clippers to understand it. The pandering isn't on the same level at all, Niji built themselves on Japan while hololive built themselves overseas.

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>>6575392
>>6575546
>>6575556
Here is Roberu. He is more or less where he always was (at the top) but it is clear that the whole branch inclined, pushing to meet him above the 1k avg.

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So i've been clicking on every chuuba ads that randomly appear everywhere. Many of them, if not almost all, have subs or just straight out using EN. What's interesting is that all of them debut within the timeframe of august last year till just recently. So the question is, how is this correlate to Hololive trend?

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>>6575752
look at this
>>6575410

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>>6575585
>ogey

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Do you think the next time Pego passes Korone in subs it will be the last time Korone is ever ahead of her? The outfit reveal was assumingly her last big buff before her birthday in just over 2 months.

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Irys's sub growth seems to have plateaued a little, at her current rate she'll probably settle to a normal growth rate somewhere north of 500k

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>>6576150
>normal growth rate somewhere north of 500k
They were not kidding about
>next EN gen will debut at 500k

She didn't nominally debut at that number but reaching it in 10 days time is just mind blowing

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>>6575585
>Nijisanji doesn't pander
>Well, they do but only a few
>Well, it's actually many but not the top ones!
>SHUT UP! HOLOLIVE DOES IT MORE!

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>>6576150
Will the amount of people that will unsub after the "giving her a chance" phase is over have any visible effect?

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>>6576250
Most EU people probably haven't even seen her live. There are more subs to gain, if she starts changing her timeslots.

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I think Holostars just need a big breakout to be able to beat top Nijimales like Kuzuha and Ibrahim. The Holo name have more than enough power to do that, it's only a matter of time.

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>>6576250
That has never happened to any chuuba in the history of basically ever so I don't see why it'd start happening now

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>>6576250
It'll heavily depend on how her karaoke stream goes.

If it goes well, she probably actually picks up a bit of steam on Sub gains imo, as karaoke is a big draw.

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>>6576150
4 more Cover songs incoming. Expect her sub growth to increase again. She's streaming on dead hours so she has more subs to gain if any of her covers get attention from youtube algorithm

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You guys reckon Watame will hit 1M before PPT? The gap has been closing at a rapid pace, but I imagine she can just do an endurance stream to get the final subs she needs

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>>6576465
It's pretty obvious she will, she always does endurance streams for big milestones and she's 10k ahead

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>>6576287
>Most EU people probably haven't even seen her live
Can vouch for this. The only time I've seen her live was this morning for 30 minutes when I noticed she was somehow still live. Her timeslot is very strange for an EN. Mori lives in Japan too, but makes it work. So you're right, she still hasn't really touched the yuro demographic yet.

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>>6570943
>imagine being less relevant than anya

I always had the idea that Hana was really popular but I know nothing about nijis so there is that

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>>6576307
Just wait after till their first 3D concert. The next six months will be critical for them to build up the hype and gain as much as attention they can.

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>>6576775
She USED TO pretty popular
There were a period where she got JP clips almost everyday and they were almost always trending in Niconico when they got uploaded
I'm not really sure how her spark died though

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>>6576964
Went woke and said her paypiggies should shut up and let her do whatever she wants. Guess how that went down

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>>6577088
Based, but also absolutely terrible for one's numbers when you target the ones giving you funds.

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>>6570943
What's that huge "dip" in most if not all Nijis? Youtube "dead subs" cull?

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>>6576150
>Irys's sub growth seems to have plateaued a little,
Yep, rate of growth is slowing down but just enough to have her pass AZKI and maybe Risu before the end of the week

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>>6577144
I want to know this too, almost all Niji's graph have that sudden dip, what happened there Nijifriends?

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https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dis/d/2021-07-14/
Hmm the new song by Inoue Taku and Suisei is on 8th.
I was under the impression that it's quite hyped, perhaps was expecting too much? Or is this another case of ununiformed selling date for multiple platforms?

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>>6577144
>>6577361
When holoEN debuted the broke the curve so pretty much everyone suffered from a dip like that.

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>>6577481
He's known in im@s and game OST circles, but a relative unknown to the mainstream. Suisei is probably more popular than he is if we're talking about who's more well-known. After seeing it's youtube view numbers on the first day, I'm surprised it even charted. If it was on Suisei's channel, it would have 3x the views by now.
Not relevant to numbers, but 3:12 is great and everyone should listen to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYFciXBcXIQ

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>>6577144
Isn't it just Holo inclining and fucking up the standard growth rate of the whole Vtuber category? Not even a year ago there were only 3 chuubas with a million subs, now there're 20 Holo.

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>>6577283
This is some gen5 levels of plateu

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>>6577687
>3 chuubas over 1 mil
I know kizuna Ai owns two but who's the third?

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>>6577541
>When holoEN debuted the broke the curve so pretty much everyone suffered from a dip like that.
That's not possible. That dip is in the 2021-12-13 to 2021-12-21 date range and it shows Hana Machia going from 2093th to 2595th position while gaining 8k subs.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCpJtk0myFr5WnyfsmnInP-w
That's also only the "Japan" rank which seems to imply some 500 people either entered or jumped in the rank in that time range.

Here is Moona for comparison
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCP0BspO_AMEe3aQqqpo89Dg

She also has a 200 positions dip but their retarded chart doesn't show it in the same scale as Hana

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>>6571547
Cope, Holo JP are older than 7 months

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>>6577601
I see. It's kinda interesting to observe since one would think with how Suisei's original songs been selling quite favorably recently this collaboration song will at least perform equally at worst since it's still Suisei singing, with added kind-of-famous composer name to it. And yeah it's a great song.

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>>6577687
>Isn't it just Holo inclining and fucking up the standard growth rate of the whole Vtuber category?
Nope, see >>6577825. The inclusion of 5 new people can't cause a 500 positions dip in a December week. Something else happened there and it is not even related to vTubing, probably

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>>6577906
Probably the website just added some more bigger channels to track (or fixed the tracking).

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>>6577825
>>6577906
Now i only know this because of doing reps so i could be weong but niji ID used to have their location set ID and following holo example change it to JP so they can get supas from kaigai niki and that kinda explain why they went high (for ID standart) to very low (for JP standard)

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>>6576775
Hana was popular at a time where choices for English vtubers were slim.
A big part of her popularity also comes from her dad so much that Hana got pissed that people kept asking where her dad was whenever she streamed.

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>>6576307
you guys can never just say 'i hope holostars incline' or 'i'd like to see a new breakout star for male chuubas' something it's always gotta be 'HOW CAN HOLOSTARS BEAT KUZUHA' or 'WHERE IS THE NEXT KUZUHA'
actually rent free

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>>6578522
>you guys
Anon, plz
>this thread is one person
>that person is whoever you choose to represent it

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>>6576964
Competition happened. The quantity over quality mantra works only from the start but as the industry matures the demand for a higher quality content increases. If I remember correctly, Nijisanji is going to retrain their chuubas to address this issue but I don't know if they went through with it.

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>>6578545
my bad i forgot this board is just me on 5 phones

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>>6578571
>If I remember correctly, Nijisanji is going to retrain their chuubas to address this issue but I don't know if they went through with it.
???

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>>6578571
No, they’re hiring new chuubas and training them.
It’s part of their vtuber academy program that they’re using to hire new vtubers.

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>>6573924
>Kuzuha apex english stream now

https://youtu.be/wa4n_PIOZds

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>>6575585
Wow, nijiniggers really love to goalpost dont they? They went from higher subs, highest viewers, now they nitpick rhe smallest things to justify they're superior.

You guys are incredible.

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>>6568909
>>6573924
>pandering to dirty gaijin
https://youtu.be/wa4n_PIOZds

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>>6578733
i shouldn't bother explaining this but he's practicing to be able to communicate with one of his english teammates in a tournament

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>>6575585
I'd argue that if you're attempting to reach a wider audience, using simpler language is the CORRECT way to go, since you want your 'product' to be easily and quickly digestible, especially if there's a lot of stuff being spoken. More complex language for its own sake is only gonna bog things. Time and place for everything.

Take...gods I cannot believe I'm going to do this, but take Asmongold for example. The dude has stated be goes out of his way to use simple clear language during his streams because there's so much stuff to go through, and it makes it easier for people who are perhaps tabbed out and listening in or otherwise partially preoccupied.

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>>6578860
kek.

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>>6578707
>hiring new chuubas
I assume that word is being used in a very loose sense because that implies paying a salary.
Are they even paying a fixed salary to their talent?

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>>6578733
It wasn't too long ago in this thread there was ramble about nijis not pandering to eops. Now the biggest niji is using english today. Is it too prepare wave 2's debut? No one cares.

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>>6578733
>>6578860
EOPchamas...

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>>6578910
No they aren’t but for these new hires they’re covering the cost of all the training.

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will kuzuha channel's english make him more powerful? TOO powerful? how can we stop him?

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>>6578994
Hopefully powerful enough that his teammate Genburten for FFL SELeCTCUP understands his English!

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>>6578985
>they’re covering the cost of all the training.
That does sound eerily close to “unpaid internship”, even worse than working for free because there is no guarantee you will even be hired in the end of the process.

Which in Niji’s case wouldn’t change much considering they don’t page wages anyway

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>>6578994
Mr.Channel will become the first vtuber to learm 7 languages.

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>>6578985
I wonder how deep their pockets to make this happen. Isn't it like a school scholarship? You were paid for everything in the academy but you must work in the company for at least 1 year. Bet they're gonna be online classes.

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>>6578910
>>6579101
It's a black company. What do you guys expect? Even I got paid when I went through my OJT.

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>>6579127
+computer language
Reject humanity become AI

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>>6579096
the thought of him saying ammo as EAMMO and calling bullets 'bread' like he's doing right now but in an actual tournament to an actual english speaker is very, very funny

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>>6578707
What the fuck can they even teach them? They don't know shit about how to make a vtuber become popular. People come to Nijisanji to play around and offpako while people who are serious about entertaining their audiences go to Holopro instead.

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>>6579281
They’re giving of them dancing and singing training as well as training on how to be an effective streamer.

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>>6574133
>>6574388
The majority of those can't even break 100k views. But I guess they're getting views from somewhere at least... only they'll just get boxed out by NijiEN... again.

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>>6579281
kek in the beginning they were fooling around too. Cover was a tech company at first and they used vtubers to advertise their products. Anyone at that time who's actually serious about online streaming would go indie instead. But times changed, vtubing became too big due to the corona and people working inside their homes. imo Cover wants people who has talent in different things but failed to make it big. They nurture them to become big on their own with their brand. They don't want an overqualified person to be in their group. Niji, however, wants every talent and suck money out of them without paying a salary. Pump vtubers, milk money from birthdays, events and all sorts of things. One thing I find interesting is that nijiEN had streamlabs on for their debuts and all their birthdays are pretty close as compared to HoloEN. They're all here to milk as much money.

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>>6579281
Zhang education.

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>>6579585
>Cover wants people who has talent in different things but failed to make it big.
That’s my perception as well. Ragtag bunch of broken toys that have some talent (singing, dancing, entertaining, ASMR) but that failed to make it big in Japan because they lack either social standing, charisma, ambition, communication ability, discipline or even personal drive to succeed.

Is there even a single JP Holo that fails to fall into one of these boxes? Even ID, IIRC Cover even got them all in the same dorm to ensure they had a stable place to live and a stable (more or less) internet connection

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>>6579743
Noel is a big success in Japan in her own right but in a line of work that isn't as family friendly.

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>>6579585
Birthdays that close are to get the money before they become irrelevant.
Holo birthdays tend to have an additional meeting (Kiara and fried chicken day for instance)
And I think that’s also what cover is selling you, the idol experience of watching your oshi grow and become better and make it big.
Right now it feels like Nijisanji is just trying to hire the next Gura.

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>>6579358
Why would they need to be able to sing and dance when they're not gonna be popular enough to have enough support to do such events?

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>>6579880
They can pay money to fast-track their own 3D even if they don't meet the subs requirement.

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>>6579880
It actually poses an interesting question.
Are these guys going to get special treatment?
Jump the line for 3D, heavily marketed by Nijisanji in order to be successful.
I’d imagine it might piss off some people inside the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6579281
lesson #1: never insult our chink investors
lesson #2: don't speak ill of our partners bilibili
lesson #3: never demand a salary
lesson #4: create an account and stream something

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>>6579358
Not even their best singers have 3D yet despite being in the company for over 3 years so how could you expect them to showcase their skills on a stage? I'd say that their academy program is a big sham. Maybe the rumors about them having connections with Yakuza is true after all.

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>>6579986
Depends on whether they have the chops to be successful, the whole point is to find promising talents. Nijisanji gets to choose which students they want to debut under their label, the rest walk away having benefited from a free training program.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6579281
Egosurfing lessons from Kanae
Drunk streaming lessons from Yashikizu
Clear speech lessons from Fuwa Minato
APEX bootcamp with Chihiro Elu and Kuzuha
Stream overlay lessons from Noraneko

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580227
Mandatory Apex lessons from pros.
You will be required to maintain at least Master rank or you will be kicked out.

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>>6580227
>Clear speech lessons from Fuwa Minato
>Stream overlay lessons from Noraneko
ok i laughed

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>>6579857
I can see that. I'm not a hoshiyomi or a 35p but knowing their history and how they had to grind their way to get where they are now does tug at my heartstrings. I can't even imagine what the fans of those two, especially the OG hoshiyomi's from back when Suisei was still an indie, must feel seeing their oshis make it big. Maybe it's because I don't know Nijis enough (correct me if there's any Nijibros here) but Hololive feels like an idolmaster anime in real life. Even being marginally aware of this girls makes you invested in them because you want to see them reach that enigmatic idol dream that gets marketed by Cover. It makes it feel like Suisei can achieve her dream because of vtubing. Nijis feel like western streamers with an anime filter. There is no end goal that you want to see them reach. You watch them like you would watch a Markiplier or PewDiePie. To see them fuck around and do stupid shit. You still develop parasocial connections with them but it's more of akin to having an internet friend. Or at least that's the vibe I get.

[Anonymous No.]

>Sasaki bullied Luna out of Nijisanji!
>Roa took advantage of her position and forced poor defenseless Meiro to graduate!
>Nijisanji is quantity over quality, they'll hire anyone!
>Nijifags unsubscribed to Kuzuha and Mikoto en masse after their "yab" because they're unicorns in denial!
>NijiEN fans are the same shitters that looked down on Holofags back on /jp/!
>There's no variety in Nijisanji's character settings, they're all JKs and DKs!
>Nijisanji is full of Mean Girls-style cliques that attack the little guys!
>None of the Niji girls are afforded any opportunities while the males are prioritized!
>Anycolor never provides assets for free, Nijisanji members have to pay for their costumes and 3Ds out of their own pockets!
>Niji males all fujo pander, that's why their numbers are so high!
>Nijisanji members have to reach a certain amount of subscribers before they're allowed to collaborate with top livers!
>Muh bullying culture!

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>>6580286
They are literally performing on live stages and have been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580291
can someone tell me which males actually fujo pander so i can sub

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>>6580317
Doesn't really debunk my point though. Kuzuha is known as an apex streamer, people watch him to fuck around there. Him performing in a concert is nice and all because of the novelty but im pretty sure he'd rather keep playing at home. Subaru performing in a concert feels like a character getting closer to an end goal. It just hits different.

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>>6580286
Coco's graduation and the lead up to it in the last day with lots of holos crying felt like a season ending.

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>>6580493
Subaru is interesting to me.
She went from a normal girl doing this as a part time gig to wanting to become an idol with gachikois.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580317
True, Nijisanji tried to copy Hololive but failed to capture the essence why they became successful. There's just no soul in what they do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580493
This. It hits different because most of the holos have always said that being an idol and making songs was their dream, so they'll get you more emotional over it. With some exceptions, like Ame for example - when or if she makes something, it will be nice, sure, but it will not have the same weight behind it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580286
>>6580570
So Hololive is watching a scripted anime and Nijisanji is watching normal people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580688
Yes anon normal people are boring

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>>6580642
I disagree with you on this anon since Niji's have been doing the whole concert thing way longer than Holo. I will say though that seeing Pekora jump around like a retard and trying her best is infinitely more enjoyable to me than all the choreographed shit in Niji concerts (rrats of professional stuntmen being the one actually doing them aside)

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>>6580688
Pretty much, i have seen various people said they drop anime to watch holo which is pretty a slice of life anime itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580688
literally no one in nijisanji is normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580320
You'll probably be disappointed, most fujo pandering in Niji consists of two males interacting with each other like close friends and implying they talk with each other and have sleepover in each other's houses a lot behind the scenes. This is enough to get fujos throw as many money to you as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580688
Hololive is like reality tv, but done right. Nijisanji is like watching a drama about people getting exploited by a black company but it's actually real and done in real time.

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>>6579986
>they hire a girl from that program
>she debut, she's good at singing but everything about her is boring
>3 months later, she's at 60k subs, they give her 3D model
>another 3 months pass, she's at 70k subs, she get her own solo live concert on big stage with a shitload of original songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580781
They're all normie streamers just like how Logan Paul's a normie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580688
That's what I've been telling people. You can enjoy niji, my personal favourite is inui toko, but other than that, they're just your normal twitch streamers. Trying to build an academy for streamers is laughable.

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>>6580286
I'm not seeing this as Hololive's advantage over Nijisanji. Niji allows you to pursue whatever you want, it's up to the individual. Suisei will work hard to fulfill her idol dream regardless of the place she ended up on (as long as it's not a rock bottom like sometime during her indie stage), her story is very intensely personal. Many other girls didn't enter to become fully committed idols per se and given enough gap between their style/vision and the company-promoted kayfabe they suffered (i.e. what happened to Coco).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580917
>They're all normie streamers just like how Logan Paul's a normie.
Hololive and Nijisanji are all normie streamers, indie streamers are kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6577283
Impostor syndrome inbound

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580823
Do fujos even like "proper" gay men? I find it hard to believe that males that would like to fuck other males would be close to whatever image that they have about gay on their BL porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581067
As long as Gura is still beating everyone in subcount, no one will feel imposter syndrome because they will just think that Gura did it first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581153
Gura isn't in same category, these are Vsingers

[Anonymous No.]

>>6579996
shitting about corporate interests in numberfag thread? that's new.

[Anonymous No.]

hololive is reclining so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>6576150
>>6577283
>>6581067
She'll be having a karaoke stream tonight.
If she throws some punches instead of playing it safe, she could either reach 500k immediately or halt her growth. I think she professional enough to not let her subs go red.

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>>6581281
He numbered his shitposts, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581329
Coco>>加藤純一

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>>6581329
I thought niji won't pander to gaijins?
What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>hours watched in 2021

[Anonymous No.]

When will people understand that hours watched is a shitty metric

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>>6581032
Hence the "enigmatic idol dream" that I mentioned. I guess the best way I can describe it is like cape comics and manga. I used to love reading cape comics back when I was a kid. I even remember saving up my allowance so I could buy the compilations for them. But after so many reboots, retcons, etc I kinda lost interest because I felt like there was no end in sight. When I got into manga, I felt more connected to the characters because you know one day their story was going to end so you wanted to savor it. The original ending for Naruto got me emotional despite not liking where the series went simply because I saw that blonde runt finally achieve his dream of being Hokage. I imagine that once one piece ends and Luffy finally finds it (whatever the fuck it really is) that OP fags will feel emotional too.

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>>6581428
>>6578873

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>>6579585
>Cover wants people who has talent in different things but failed to make it big
>They nurture them to become big on their own with their brand
>They don't want an overqualified person to be in their group
This is only applicable for HoloJP, in which case NijiJP didn't exactly hire overqualified people either. You're literally insane if you think HoloEN recruits are less "professional" than NijiEN recruits.

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>>6581508
Speaking to hours watched, it does not apply to Vsinger right? It's a streamer metric.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581555
What metric do you prefer

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581428
It literally says to learn English to talk with gen cause he got select to teamed up with a player who only speaks English.
Focus on your numbers if you can't even hit google translate chumbuds

[Anonymous No.]

>>6568597
Glad to see okakoro on top

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581619
Whatever his oshi wins in. As always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6577760
Kaguya luna

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581619
CCV is king

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581329
加藤純一最強! 加藤純一最強! 加藤純一最強!

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>>6580688
>So Hololive is watching a scripted anime and Nijisanji is watching normal people?
Yep. Live action interactive anime.

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>>6581663
She's not even in the current million, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581693
xQc>>>>>>加藤純一

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581329
do you think he spams multiple lives a day to numberfag his same audience as multiple views on the same day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580320
If the fags here is to believe, Kuzuha and Kanae

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581676
Why was Mio so high in June?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6580688
I prefer retard +scripted than normal people

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
less morning streams, more collabs

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>>6579101
Now im really worried about this. I hope it wont turn out into their final yab

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
You can't numberfag june, its coco graduation month some numbers dont make sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581725
She reached that number if you check her sub count history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
Shion streamed for 20 minutes the entire month, so including her is retarded

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>>6581676
There are people whose CCV and view count do not match up at all.

Ideally:
>for attention
CCV, VOD Views
>for engagement
likes/dislikes, comments, shares, subscriptions
>for retention
Superchat, Membership, Merchandise

When are we making a shitposting scoreboard again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
Mio did plenty of comfy "good morning" streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
Moving average is better so that anomaly streams are smoothened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581938
Why did Gura drop so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582090
>>6581938
Anon stop trying to act smart simple average isn't good when anomaly streams are present. A moving average graph presented with historical data is much better.

You're just looking like a tryhard trying to show off when a better data is available. Wait till graph bro come out

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>>6579996
That's a good one anon. Got a good laugh out of that kekek

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582184
Can I see previous graphs from graphbro please

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582326
Check the archive, its there. When he's here request a specific chuba because data can be messy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582184
Aren't you really just asking for the data to be manipulated to show it "should" look instead of what it actually looks like? The only thing that should be there is a minimum time requirement.

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>>6580148
But they already have plenty of amazing talent. Levi, mellissa, chima, tomoe, mashiro, that blonde short dude, heck almost 2/5 have at least unique voice, amazing vocal, good dancer, niche creativity... basically rough diamonds (or gold at least). Why not give them more support? Why nurture new people? Or are they just confidence they can support them all?

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>>6581573
I get it, you meant to say that Hololive gets you more emotionally invested than Nijisanji as an entire project. Which is true, in a sense, Cover nurtures hako-oshis far more competently than Anycolor does, although in their defense Anycolor probably cares less about nurturing hako-oshis and more about getting fandoms of individual vtubers that collectively constitute greater "Nijisanji" fandom.
I dunno, after a year being exclusively Holo I think I prefer the latter's approach. I'm not insane enough to emotionally invest myself to fifty-odd people, and for people who don't buy the hako-oshi narrative in the first place the former's approach easily comes off as psychologically manipulative, practically a corporate cult and treats the agency as something it never actually is.
The latter is important because it underlies a lot of dynamics that bother me, like the dichotomy between "homobeggars" who wanted same dynamism to extend for Holostars because they thought HoloPro is a genuine "family", and most Holo girls who had to run smoke and mirrors to pretend the Stars don't even exist at all so that their presence doesn't bring out the inherent conflict between emotionally-charged "We're all family" kayfabe and idolfag-GFE kayfabe. And then there's Coco's graduation which was obviously the case where the company is unwilling to accommodate a member's vision for its own goals for more family-friendly corporate sponsorship, and yet the graduation is spun as another company-worshiping event where the event where the company earned massive amount of money and secured PR victory for most people means they "actually care about Coco".
Honestly Coco's graduation just disillusioned me. Their emotional manipulation kayfabe is no longer believable and no longer feels consistent. There are successful individual stories like Suisei's, but as a whole it's a sham that gets increasingly less believable to me.
In the spirit of this thread, I'll have to say that it does earn them a lot of money, just not in the way that I like.

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>>6581590
This was in context of that niji academy thingy anon. Read the the whole thread onegai

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>>6582529
nice blog, didnt read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582835
Coping holobrony

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581725
>Kayuna Luna
The second chuuba that hit 1mill around early last year -> dissapear -> went back under 1mill -> came back -> hit 1mill again -> gone foreva -> lost subs

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>>6582883
good job anon, you it took less time to blow your falseflag over than it took to write all that >>6582529

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>>6582529
No worries. I can see your viewpoint too. I'm actually the complete opposite. I used to watch lots of streamer's back in the day, especially during the Dark souls days. I don't care what anyone says but I have fond memories of PewDiePie's playthrough of the original dark souls and Last of us. This was back when streaming was new and felt way more real than whatever shit was on the tv. Then all the drama and thottery started piling up and it became too tiresome. Sometimes people would rather get lost in a happy illusion than have to deal with "real people". I can understand why someone might get disillusioned once they see cracks but no magic act is perfect. Sometimes you just have to roll with the performance.

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>>6582957
Seethe

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>>6582430
Consider this graph, black is moving average and violet is simple average.
From the graph you can see that the simple average hasn't changed much from April to May.
A moving Average show the trend of the average viewers while smoothing out anomalies in data.
Comparing simple averages for each month will not be ok when a chuba has a celebration or a new outfit.
Again historical data would be helpful in providing context.

All data graph anon has can be corroborated with holostats where the data came from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582529
Nice story
Im crying now

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583056
Thanks

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>>6582957
I'm sorry, anon, but that's not me.

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>>6581508
"Hours watched" is a silly metric because it is the product between
>average stream viewership
and
>hours streamed

And you can never know which one contributed the most unless you somehow show both in the same view.
>which I do, right now

It is ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY incredible how high Pekora towers over the whole company in this particular metric, because
>she puts an absurd number of hours
and
>she gets an absurd number of viewers

Honorable mentions to
>Marine
Second in "hours watched" while putting about half the hours of the first place
>Watame
Fifth in "hours watched" on the power of her grind alone, because she's #1 in hours streamed
>Ayame
The epitome of "work smart not hard"
>IRyS
Just look at the chart.

Anyway, "hours watched" is a shitty metric in itself because it doesn't tell any story.
Maybe the streamer put the hours (like Watame).
Maybe the streamer got the viewership (like Marine and Gura)

You can never know from the numbers alone, thats a shitty metric

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582529
Anon.. seeing how your blog just smells of newfags who believe on the rrats and meme here, you should go back. This place is not for children

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583171
anon iofi just had a bday call in pls stop bullying her KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583171
Lofi...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583246
>>6583277
It's her own fault.
>pic related
Here is the "hours streamed" chart sorted in descending order.

There is a reason for Flare and Lamy to get that much SuperChart as they get, the trade low average viewership for long quality hours with their audience
> third and seventh more hours streamed respectively

The only thing not even scientists can explain is
>HOW THE FUCK AYAME PULLS IT OFF?
No, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583171
Does Anya not have stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582529
Eh, emotions manipulation isn't something exclusive to hololive. Or do you think Nijisanji aren't manipulative either? And Coco graduating, as much as I disagree with it, is not really something out of place. Tons of people, especially in the entertainment business quit high paying jobs if it means creative freedom. Coco has vouched for Yagoo and Yagoo himself has done everything he can for the homos. So as long as that smiling geezer and Friend are in Hololive, I can put my faith in them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583442
oof that's worse than shitting on iofi, graph anon you're on fire today lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583426
>HOW THE FUCK AYAME PULLS IT OFF?
part of the old guard, top tier avatar, cute manerisms and storys (her talking about her legs not even reaching the floor when she sits in her gaming chair) will often get draged to collabs by other holos without streaming herself (SMOK, Noel and Marine being all horny for her etc.) has a lot of Hologra and other event apearances https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-smjxefTCQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583442
>Does Anya not have stats?
She's under "melfissa" for some reason. I copied the ids from Holostats so they may have been using her surname while the fanbase use her proper name

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583540
Ayame = lazy Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582529
Funny that you lavish so much pity on Holostars and dismiss family kayfabe when the stars themselves have benefited as a group from keeping up that act between the boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583540
It was a rhetorical question, I'm a Haaton by birth but I kneel to Ayame very deeply.
Her Zatsudans (along with Okayu's) are my japanese training material

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583426
She is a student please undastand

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583627
kind off? both have the hefty boost of several other holos being gaga for them and talking a lot about them thus giving them a boost without a need for streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583188
I don't believe in rrats about Coco's graduation being about "pro-zhang management" or "Yagoo being secretly evil" or whatever the shit Narukami peddled. I believe in what Coco literally said that her graduation is due to creative differences.
I mean I don't see why you'd object what I said. From /numbers/ perspective that praised Cover for taking content control and idol commitment seriously Coco's graduation is objectively a good thing. It's great that she graduated with record earning and viewing that benefited Cover directly both in the short-term and the long-term. That she graduated is better than if she stayed around from numberfag perspective, but that no one really dares to admit it even in numberfag thread tells alot about Cover's frankly great ability to make people doublethink around it. And no it's not just a /vt/ thing, if anything it's worse for more mainstream fans like redditors, discordfags or twitterfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583627
Gura = Lazy Gura, If she put the same hours Pekora does without losing viewership she would be #2 with double the Marine watched hours and closer to Pekora than to the #3 that Marine would be

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583705
Ayame = Lazy Lazy Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

Even if we shit on iofi, you have to concede that she has some fucking good networking skills.

>>6583677
Get off the computer anon its not healthy go out and take your meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6582439
Because if your current batch has no real drive and just want to stream as a hobby for side-income you're better off putting money into new, hungrier talent than to waste your money forcing people to do stuff they don't want to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583130
>ms paint job

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583772
It was actually me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583648
>I'm a Haaton by birth
best of luck man. hope she returns soonish
>rhetorical question
and i gave you a thetorical answer :)

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>>6583748
Isn’t that just a consequence of how they hire people or the quality of their scouts then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583426
Shion yo...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583647
And dont forget the homos are literall menheras that yagoo saviorfags out of his own pocket. If that's not the definition of familly man idk what is. As long as yagoo present i belib in the power of familly

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't niji even more of a corporate cult than cover? Plenty of people shit on cover when something small goes wrong while i rarely see anti anycolour post from jps. They rather burn and blame the livers than the company itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583705
Gura got almost the same VOD views as Pekora in June by releasing a song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583627
lazier

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>>6582529
> insane enough to emotionally invest myself to fifty-odd people
This is fair. Regular fans won't intimately remember all characters in the big franchise (game, manga, anime, etc), but at least they will recognize them when they see them.
> the dichotomy between "homobeggars" who wanted same dynamism to extend for Holostars
Anon, some of the homostars provide idolfag-BFE contents, and they have their own female gachikois to please, too.
> where the company is unwilling to accommodate a member's vision for its own goals for more family-friendly corporate sponsorship
The company won't survive without the talents, and not every talent is comfortable with the content flavor that Coco delivers, but they won't voice that directly since that's a bad PR.
Relationship conflicts grow as the family grows. Putting 50 people with a diverse character range, and expecting them to happily work together is a very tall order. I don't think there's any other group with similar number that can provide the dynamic that hololive has nurtured.

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>>6583540
There are some shizos who extremely dislike her for not really caring about hololive/streaming. But i doubt that it will affect her at all.
>SMOK, Noel and Marine being all horny for her etc.
I'm really interested why Ayame really loved irl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583677
>>6582529
>Their emotional manipulation kayfabe is no longer believable and no longer feels consistent
That's only because you are part of the "1%".

The great majority of people watch whatever chuuba they like and that stream in the timeslot it is convenient for them and for the most part doesn't even know there are gathering holes of assorted retards
>like this site, 5ch, reddit and others
that keep tabs on "lore", on the overarching relationships between streamers ,different companies and the such.

My advice to all is:
>watch the content that pleases you
>ignore the content that displeases you
>FOR GOD SAKE ignore the VA and everything that comes with that knowledge of the real people producing the content you like.

People for the most part don't give a fuck that Konosuba Megumin VA is the same as Re: Zero Emilia VA because
>THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE VA AT ALL
They like the content being provided without caring about the production. That's the "healthy" way to enjoy content

Then there is the good people in this very thread
>retards like you and I
that for the most part don't even pay attention either to the content or the girls, only to the very sexy and fappable numbers that they produce. For these I suggest
>meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583864
It is not comparable because songs
1) have a replay value that streams don't
2) songs are 5 minutes a pop, a much lower barrier to give it a click than a full stream
With that said the comment was praising Gura, I am 100% on the
>work smart not hard
camp

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583908
anon you can literally shorten your post to just take meds, why waste letters

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583748
It makes sense if you put it that way. But watching them i can see these talent i mentioned lowkey has genuine interest/ambition to climb higher or at least gain more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583955
for an alleged numberfagging queen, Pekora releases very few songs, huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583875
>that hololive has nurtured.
It was good 1 year ago, but now it starts to crack little by little. Ayame's performance on coco's graduation, established cliques and a motherfucking z-z-zehi from Roboco.
It still feels like a family but add couple of more gens and then we will talk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583887
>I'm really interested why Ayame really loved irl.
well from what other holos say about her(as far as i remember right now) she is really cute and autistic irl as well, how much of that is true i dunno but its the reason given by them sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583853
The image of a super cool company that lets people do whatever they want is also a form of kayfabe. Then you get stuff like Hoshikawa getting suspended and forced to apologize over a mildly exaggerated joke and you can see they're not really that different when the antis bring the heat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583853
>it's a tech company not an idol agency
Purisu undastando

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584024
You're way overselling the importance of the box pushing aspect to Hololive's success. If the fans all cared that much about every chuuba being tightly-knit and well-supported you wouldn't get the massive gap in numbers between someone like Aki and the top dogs of gen 3. Most people are really just going to watch their favourites and not give the rest any views or money.

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>>6583745
Eh right, if I shit on Cover I'm insane while everyone else's shitting on Anycolor for being greedy moneyhungry corporates...in the literal /numbers/ thread.
Maybe just accept the thread's fundamental premise that everyone's just looking out for money and fame, both Cover and Anycolor wanted that and nothing more, Cover is better only and only by virtue that it's more successful? I think Anycolor are a bunch of greedy bastards. I'm just sick of people actually adding moral caveats to Cover (again in /numbers/ of all places) because for them numberfagging is just a cover for tribalfagging.

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>>6583955
Song views are singer-Vtubers like Mori mostly get . It's unfair to compare to streamers by live stream only.

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>>6584024
I was about to say this as well >>6584148
if you're an autist who thought you should watch 50 streams every single day, that's entirely on you

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584164
> I'm just sick
Yes anon you are.
Get off your chair and leave your computer it will feel good I promise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584164
Yagoo saviorfagged and personally managed all the Homostars for money, yes.

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I have been paying some attention to the numbers the last 2-3 days and I think the Coco buff + upalupa buff is wearing off and we're starting to see a return to the mean unless they find something more to do in Minecraft. I'm seeing Pekora getting a couple k less viewers than expected on non Minecraft streams, outfit reveals being just there, and probably upstairs Kanata and Subaru are going to return to higher than before but not as crazy numbers than recently.
It is possible too that the numbers are just being more distributed than in the past. Will check again in a few days.

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>>6584164
You seem upset.
Holofags always shit on Cover, not sure what you’re smoking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584016
>Pekora releases very few songs
She's not a singer...
Gura is the one releases very few songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584148
Eh, hako-oshi doesn't explain the success of the top dogs but it certainly does explain why lower end Holos have larger subs than expected from their actual live viewers audience. People call it "dead subs" but it's better than having lower subs given equal views I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584274
Miko and Marine seem down in live viewers too

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583839
It's not really a big deal. I'd go so far as to suggest the market for a company with a bunch of loosely networked streamers is far wider than the niche for idol streamers so they're doing just fine from both a corporate and consumer perspective.
>>6583986
If I'm not mistaken most of the ones listed have already gotten their 3Ds (or will get it soon), so there's not much more the company will do for them on their own initiative. Rest is up to them to fight for spots in promotions or push for proposals that will get them noticed.

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>>6584164
>I'm just sick of people actually adding moral caveats to Cover
Wut? Can you even point to posts doing that in this thread?
I truly doubt in this blessed numbers thread
>one that people would cheer a "Pekora gas herself on a sulfuric onsen along with Noel for the ultimate chocking to death ASMR" for breaking the 500k live viewers record
you would see anyone adding any caveat.
>Unless you are miffed by some random anon throwing some charge against Niji, like "putting ads on Holo videos is cringe"

The thread is fine, most people are fine, you've got bamboozled by some anon either false flagging or throwing some comment not at all representative of the whole fanbase or even of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584304
>Marine
that was a three-way split apex midnight stream, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584164
The problem is faggots use cover to shit on the fanbase. Anons were discussing about nijiacademy, how its gonna affect the current livers, and what kinda dumbass shit anycara tryana pull when suddenly when out of nowhere cover and coco was brought up. Anons were concernfagging nijilivers and their future not shitting on them (aside from the obvious jokes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584301
I do agree that having more subs makes them look bigger and might give them the chance to be more noticed if they happen to have a breakout moment, but the same effect is also present in Nijisanji if only to a lesser extent (which can be explained away by hololive just being more popular in the West). And ultimately that's just part of the benefits of being in an agency, no?

Also I've heard that dead subs are actually bad for you from a Youtube algorithm perspective but I've no idea if that's actually true.

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>>6584274
It's a cooldown period since big events are coming up shortly

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>>6584164
Are you living in an alternative timeline? I seen plenty of holofags shit on cover all the time. I assure you everyone would fucking burn cover if some holojp come out and reveal something really bad about cover. Every time controversies happened the first thing is to blame cover. Cover is literally carried by their talents.

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>>6584274
>I have been paying some attention to the numbers the last 2-3 days and I think the Coco buff + upalupa buff is wearing off and we're starting to see a return to the mean
Yeah, except the "mean" rose tremendously

I made this chart earlier in a different format
>an animated gif
to show the usual chart
>with Coco numbers
and
>without Coco numbers

Coco graduation single handedly raised Holo live viewers average by some 2k and peak average by 3k.
But even if you remove it there was a MASSIVE incline starting in Q2.
Again, MASSIVE and even if you remove all Coco streams from the moving average it is still apparent.
>animate gif related

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>>6584314
Good to know that. I just want them to inclined more, get more subs, more viewers, more supas, so that they can fund more kino personal contents like songs or more songs!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584396
Nijisanji is more streamer-type than Hololive, the streamer-meta was even created by Niji liver.
But they are on the biggest video platform -YT where most users are English(JP has their own platform though).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584274
see this
>>6584441
Bahroo's numbers is on the lower end but now he isnt even on top 25. Everyone just inclined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584441
You’re giving us gifs now? Now that’s just spoiling us lol
Q1 saw a big dip (how much of that was just YouTube is unknown) but they seem to be picking up steam again. Sponsorship wise I’m not sure what the fuck happened but suddenly in May I think, the Twitter account kept posting sponsorship after sponsorship. It was like a dam broke loose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6568597
>Holos monopolizing the chart.
>No Nijis in list.
>People asking why holos are reclining
Wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584441
We need a counter that basically says days that average Holo ccv higher than 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584274
Look at Pokimane
6.65M subs only has 20k average views
Hololive are totally fine
Even Valkyrae only gets 20k recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584504
>the streamer-meta was even created by Niji liver.
what do you mean by streamer-meta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584396
>Also I've heard that dead subs are actually bad for you from a Youtube algorithm perspective but I've no idea if that's actually true.
It's not. Everything official released by Youtube team stresses one thing
>all their algorithms are driven by engagement numbers with everything else (SEO, tags, title, subscription numbers) playing second fiddle.

They say
>if people click your video and watch it it gets recommended to other people that usually engage with the same type of videos

The only rrat that happens to be true is that even a "dislike" helps a streamer because it proves engagement (the person had to click the video to leave the dislike).
I could be their algo is 90%
>those who watched X also watched Y, so if someone watches X they'll get recommended Y

That's why you can't escape KSon recommendations these days on Youtube, for instance, or couldn't escape that cute weather girl in the start of the year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSe5exLXrz4

This video got so viral it turned her into "Hololive 2020, except 2021 and real life", and for the same audience too.
Here is a small poll
>give me a (you) if you got this girl recommended to you

I know I am not the only one, all the youtube attentionwhores that dwell the clippers comments were all over Saya videos too

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584651
nowadays 20k is basically what separates top 5 from the others sometimes even top 10 in vnuma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584301
>why lower end Holos have larger subs
That what was happening before holoEN when kaigai-niki just discovered hololive and saw that it was a "family" considering everyone was close number wise considering todays numbers and there were not so many talents. Tete clips helped with that a lot.
If you look at hololive now and then it will give quite a different picture. I don't feel like we had a genuine TeTe moments in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584679
Back when Kizuna-Ai was still prime, Vtubers were video-type, they seldom did live streams.

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>>6584566
Q1: First quarter in Japan generally being a busy time for corporations/schools coinciding with a lower viewership (this is only my gut feeling from watching streams for a few years but we can see if it's right by next year)
Sponsorships: Sponsorships take time to negotiate and what we see now is the effect of the Nissin sponsorship doing EXTREMELY well, resulting in a lot of offers flooding in. I think Yagoo said something along those lines in an interview regarding how important the Nissin collab was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584750
anon... Sora was doing life streams back then as well. in 2017. in facts she got shit on for doing it differently from AI

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>>6584441
You are right but I think you're not counting the boost Coco gave to other channels too (many collabs were in different channels) and the general situation of many fans coming back to see reactions or to support more their oshi. There's still an incline but i'm betting it's not going to remain as big as it is now even without her numbers. Specially if they're going to be preparing for some new event, as they probably are (many recent reports of them doing recordings recently) Also, depending on how well Coco's roommate does she could siphon viewers when she comes back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584416
what events

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>>6584718
>I don't feel like we had a genuine TeTe moments in a while.
Anon, plz. The whole Marine - Noel - Kanata - Flare bond from the past few days (with even Coco ghost being dragged along) is bridging a gap between the KanaCoco and the NoeFlare fandoms like it didn't use to happen before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584779
Yagoo said the Nissin sponsorship is what changed the relationship from Yagoo approaching companies to companies approaching Yagoo for sponsorships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584713
I mean more and more people were vaccinated

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584820
https://hololive.wiki/wiki/List_of_Birthdays#August
https://hololive.wiki/wiki/List_of_Debut_Anniversaries#August

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584718
>If you look at hololive now and then it will give quite a different picture
Yeah, they used to collab outside of hololive way more than they do now. Is that what you meant by tete moments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584827
I liked bath stream and grateful to Kanatan for it, but i would not call it TeTe

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584820
Anniversaries.

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>>6584850
do companies share sales numbers? how did they know its successful ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584750
a reminder of numberfaging of bygone days

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>>6584850
Yeah, it was something surreal.

I don't know if people know the magnitude of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbtmfYz_LAY

60 thousand people (min) glued for an hour watching some fucking Instant Curry ad and wishing they could throw money at the curry mascot only because their oshi was dancing with him.

That was a watershed moment for Cover and Hololive as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584718
You're just not looking hard enough, or misunderstanding what tete is perhaps. The recent OkaKoro collab (the one where they just chatted) was tete as fuck. The final KanaCoco collab was also very tete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584699
She should quit her wageslaving and go for gen 6. Yagoo scout this girl ASAP!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584917
>I liked bath stream and grateful to Kanatan for it, but i would not call it TeTe
It was the moments that preceded anon. Marine was sleepless and went to Kanata (and Coco) place to have someone to talk about how she felt about Coco graduation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz-R-S-rI8Q

Everything that followed started from that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584806
seldom= never !?
And I was talking about WHOLE Vtuber , not a
S I N G L E .
you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584953
I would assume so, no reason to hide good sales numbers to potential partners.
Even as an outsider you can see how selling out of the promotional product is good.
Redbull might lead to another spike. They sold out a 2 month campaign of promotional product in an hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584304
Marine hasn't had many solo streams recently. More importantly, she has been really tired and out of it.
Too many recording sessions and work behind the scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584871
Close, but it's more to discovering new people and enjoying chemistry between old friends. Old OkaKoro colabs is a good example to it. Nowadays it feels more sterile.
Moreover all of the girls interact so much outside of streams, that it becomes more like yeah whatever. I want to see it on streams and not to listen to yours stale report on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584504
>the streamer-meta was even created by Niji liver.
>>6585048
maybe next time don't be retarded and wrong at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>6568676
No one needs coco or your retard eops
https://twitter.com/MinionPussie

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584953
Setting aside the sales numbers aside, there's social media buzz. Youtube views, Twitter trends, Curry Meshi made a big splash there. On top of that they would have seen Aqua, Subaru and Pekora being cute and handling the shilling with earnest gusto. Proving that hololive has a stable of talents who are professional enough to do sponsorship work (and cheaper than going for something like top tier AKB48 while still having nationwide reach).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584699
>>give me a (you) if you got this girl recommended to you
Here's your (you).
She is very cute, but I thought she was recommended to me because I was watching stuff about those gridlocked motorways due to snow storms earlier in the year. Which brought me to the weather channel she works for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585002
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/HJpAlfJAGN0
They got lower viewers this year but I attribute that to Susan's viewer features

[Anonymous No.]

>>6568909
Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584750
>Back when Kizuna-Ai was still prime, Vtubers were video-type, they seldom did live streams.
>>6584806
>anon... Sora was doing life streams back then as well.
He is correct. VTubers back then were a response to Hatsune Miku (and vocaloid in general) MASSIVE success as a virtual idol.

Kizuna debutted in the tail end of 2016 while Miku was already filling stadiums

See: NicoNico Music Party 2015 VOCALOID Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QS0sjg6YU

Even with 2021 tech there is not a single VTubing company that can hold a candle to the type of shows Hatsune Miku was pulling back then.
>well ,there is this whole pandemics thing

but anyway, Kizuna was never really a live streamer, she was pretty much Hatsune Miku, but with a VA behind instead of a vocaloid

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>>6585097
She really needs to learn how to turn down new project offers and manage her time better, I thought she learnt that lesson last year but apparently not. At this point she's going to need to get a manager like Watame's to force her to rest.

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>>6585030
>Everything that followed started from that point.
Did it? Marine is staying there because the commute to the studio is much shorter, and she is down there nearly every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584992
>i dont think sora is going to have much luck with ENviewers since all she do is stream
>hololive is such a failure
>is there any hope for pekora?
Ooooo boi were they wrong!

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[Anonymous No.]

>>6585326
2am apex got a lot more viewers than I thought it would for Irys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585326
i fucking hate this. who thought rounding the numbers was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584992
>is there any hope for pekora?
wow this anon might have said the worst prediction in vtubing history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583171
Could this be compiled as a streamed/watched ratio? Mind you, it still makes no sense because we don't have the source data to support the numbers, but it'd be helpful to illustrate the problem with the type of chart that watch/streamed is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584992
Even the good people in this very site, board and thread still didn't figure out the OUTSIZED influence this site have on the worldwide cultural zeitgeist.

Sometimes 70 retards in a thread end up creating a snowball that quite literally changes the course of reality, and all of that without even meaning anything.
It goes for /b/, /pol/, /biz/, /v/, /jp/. I can only imagine when the day of /po/ will come and some retards doing origami will fuck up the timeline even more than the rest of the boards already did

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581821
Sponsored stream
Playing alone
Tournament scrims with his team
Not everyone is a numberfag like your rabbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585434
>streamed/watched
Wut? That would just return to the original measure
>Average views
which is this chart right here: >>6575410

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585391
I wonder if she knows that the "brrr" shit is a /pol/ meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585434
>streamed/watched ratio
anon that's just ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>6568909
>Niji gets way less viewerw beacuse they never bothered pandering to dirty gaijin
They did try and are still trying, it just isn't working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585442
>Not everyone is a numberfag like your rabbit
THEY SHOULD BE!

>we don't have the source data to support the numbers
Source is Holostats, which records with a much better granularity than even VNuma.
>charts are OC tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585471
A lot of old 4chan memes got hijacked by reddit and Twitter and lost their original meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585428
It's almost like things can change, can't they.

Which is why I laugh at the idiots making fun of NijiEN's numbers. Bit of a Holofag, but not so blinded as to not acknowledge that "No King rules forever".

We'll see how things go in the EN market once HoloEN's Gen 2 comes out, since every small startup and NijiEN is no doubt also keeping a close eye on what happens on that front.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585471
>I wonder if she knows that the "brrr" shit is a /pol/ meme
It's not, it's a /biz/ meme.
>/biz/ is just /pol/ financial advisor
Touché

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585428
It's still better than Sora never got popular with EOP cause she STREAM instead of making vidya lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585437
It was a 5ch you shizo. Retards from /jp/ were just an audience to this Christmas miracle

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585536
>Which is why I laugh at the idiots making fun of NijiEN's numbers
Anon, plz. They're worthy making fun because they are trailing
>the fucking YAGOO meme account

Worse, it's not impossible that the gap is INCREASING!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585491
Any Nijis here who can confirm that they hired clippers to promote NijiJP to eop? I promise I wont call you a nijinigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585551
Potayto Potahto. In the end it is all an amorphous mass of anonymous retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585498
Why yes I numberfag, I stop watching anyone that gets more than 10 viewers, imagine being a simp to a millionaire who will never acknowledge your existence, even worse imagine being a simp to a company who just wants to fleece you so their fat asian executives can go on vacations while selling your data to the chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585587
Not a nijinigger but from what that hip twitch dude said niji apparently requesting (no pay) him to shill their chuubas which kinda sad

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585629
>watching anyone that gets more than 10 viewers
HAHAHAHAHA

>IS THIS WHAT IT FEELS TO BE POOR?
I wouldn't know, really

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585391
I think some are underestimating IRyS a bit. I stand by my prediction that she will be #2 in popularity for Holo EN. But still too early to tell though, as most people are still checking her out simply out of curiosity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585676
>the celeb I'm simping for has money!
Wow cool, you like logan paul and justin bieber as well I assume?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585700
Not until they take a cute anime girl avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585752
Why does that matter, they have numbers, isn't that all you want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585587
pretty sure they have their in house clipper who makes stuff for the main niji acc. problem is he takes forever to make anything so the clips are from streams that are weeks old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585536
Yeh I think EN market wont last long

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585778
>isn't that all you want?
No, actually the cute anime girl avatar is very important

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585583
Yea, yea. All it takes is one break-out moment to get people interested to get the snowball rolling though. Still, the fact that they're trailing Yagoo is actually hilarious in the moment.

If they can get a truly Viral moment that all the clip channels just HAVE to clip, that could jumptstart their momentum. After all, one shark singing Ride on Time....

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585816
Doesn't seem important to me, you spend more time bitching about numbers than watching streams. Oh did you see that asmongold has been getting over 100k viewers every day lately? Big numbers, your favourite

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585391
Considering newbie buff , she might end up 10K-12K constant because of timezone different . But she is Vsinger , over 10K is relatively high

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585795
>Yeh I think EN market wont last long
How? It’s currently growing Hololive. It’s obviously in decline a bit, but can still be refreshed by Gen 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585587
Neko does clips for Niji afaik at their request

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585782
It gets posted to the official account.
Too bad it gets buried under the 10 vids a week they post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585691
I'm on the train that if IRys SMASHES her upcoming Karoke, she skyrockets and comfortably reaches Mori's numbers no problem. The upcoming covers of Hololive Originals are also going to draw interest as there are likely many people that haven't seen some of the older Originals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585536
Things can change and some other agency can take hololive place as most popular agency in the world in 2-3 yrs, but it sure as hell won't be niji with their current practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585819
It is not just "one moment", it takes a whole "cinematic" saga.
Take Gura

>first the unceremonious "A" tweet piqued the attention
>then the "A" debut provided the joke punchline
>then the first karaoke provided the "mood whiplash" and proved she was more than a meme shark but actually a talented entertainer

Same with Pekora and the "LapizLazuri" arc
>first she proclaimed not understanding why people collab on Minecraft, and how she's too shy to even entertain the idea
>then she extorts Lamy and Polka(nene?), the newcomers from Gen5, building up interest
>then she enters an "Engrish speaking contest" with Flare (Noel?), after both interact with Moona in some capacity
>THEN the whole "Usaken" arc gets traction, with Moona understanding Pekora both english and work ethics and becoming first her NPC sidekick then a full protagonist in her own merit

It is more than one "Miko said nigger" moment. It takes a whole build up to create the perfect storm

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585819
Anon a break out moment for them would propel them to 5-7k twitch level streamer. Without the box pushing strategy and 'we are a family' environment that Holo has they cannot sustain a entertainment consumption spiral.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585848
>asmongold
But does he have a cute anime girl avatar? If not it would be a hard pass, sorry.

I could settle for 2D cute anime girl turned 3D, any cosplayers pulling this type of numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585872
Trend change every year
So it hard to be relevant for globalmarket

[Anonymous No.]

So gen 2 have been chatting with gen 1 on Twitter and YouTube chat and personally I feel like they try too hard sometimes. That or I became a boomer and don’t know how zoomers interact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585912
I think IRyS’s abilities (singing, speaking Japanese, strong desire to collab, etc), outweigh the dark/serious look of her character, which is why I assumed she is going to do better than expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586015
He has numbers, look stream is starting and 70k already
https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold
If you just want cute anime girls, preferably ones that interact with you directly what advantage does having 10k viewers have over 10 viewers? With 10 viewers she'll personally know you and you can enjoy a cute girl playing anime just as well, with a 10k viewer you have to pay 100 bucks just to have her look at your comment that she'll forget in half a second, granted you'll need to speak japanese, which I assume you don't, so all you can understand are numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>HATS OFF TO THE NIP NUMBERFAGS
Some nip hand counted every umpalumpa bred by Kanata and provided a color coded chart

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586104
oh the NijiEN gens, was thinking of holos there. do Nijis even call them gens? saw people call them waves on the wiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586145
>what advantage does having 10k viewers have over 10 viewers
Big numbers > Small numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586161
Ah, the coveted true-black axolotl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585583
Nevermind Yagoo's meme account, they are failing to get predebut numbers above Ankimo's dead and defunct account. For everyone claming that Nijien will be a direct competitor to holoEN it's fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586104
They need to do something in the meantime to keep the hype without streaming, its basically free meme material for yt clippers community post and board like 4chin and plebbit etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586209
Ok then have fun in asmongold's stream, you can even understand what he's saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586197
It’s a force of habit from being in the Holosphere.
They’re trying to push this rivalry kayfabe in their chats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586104
For me interacting offstream lessens the audience interaction, when they chat on twitter it feels like we are bystanders on their conversation. As oppose to it being in stream, the streamer can see chat and react accordingly, giving the audience inclusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586209
But she is pettan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586217
Cover is leaving money in the table, I kid you not. They could EASILY make Ankimo be their mascot and have it be in the middle of the pack for subs **AND** superchat.

If they officially declare YuujinA would be his VA and handler (like when Ankimo used to hang out in the original creative Minecraft server), even higher than middle of the pack

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586161
>nigger oopas breed the most
what did mojang mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586320
If they wanted to do that the would've just moneytized the official hololive channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586220
Sorry anon, cute anime girl avatar or GTFO. I would settle for cute 3D cosplay but the characterization must be on point

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586325
FBK , Marine suffer from success

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586325
>talk about minecraft
>Immediately brings up niggers
Why are burgers like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586339
You are underestimating the adoration nips (and even westerns) have for company mascots.
See:
>Mario
>Sonic
>Mickey

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586341
Big numbers > small numbers
Asmongold > all

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586223
yeah its the same with vtuber/chuuba and then you have livers. can be a bit of a pain to keep up with
>They’re trying to push this rivalry kayfabe in their chats.
yeah on one hand it makes sense since thats the gimick nijisanji wants for them, on the other it comes off as a bit to try hard. i wonder how much of the kayfabe even survives the first few months

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586369
Not without cute anime girl avatars. Sorry anon, I don't make the rules, only enforce them

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586365
They're going to have to find something for ankimo to do, though, and I think they are having enough trouble keeping up with hologra every week.

[Anonymous No.]

IRyS karaoke in 13 hours. Predictions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586320
They aren't doing it because that's Sora's mascot. If they want a mascot to represent a company they will create one themselves rather than give more special treatment to daisenpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585666
lol they "ask" people to shill for them and read the exact script from them in exchange of money

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586369
Coco: said what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586408
Fun fact
>Sora is the original company mascot
Hololive started as a showcase for Cover technology and Sora is for Cover what Miku is for Crypton

Making Ankimo the company mascot would not be "special treatment" for Sora, it would be a downgrade and a relief

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586393
Big numbers good, that's all that matters according to your rules, you don't care about the girls or the avatars you only care what numbers they have

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586406
wont break 5k

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586430
Didn't she get like 3k viewers before she announced her graduation and the chinese came to dance on her grave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586406
low balling this one, 40k to 50k because of bad timeslot. She's been streaming for a while now so there shouldn't be a shadow ban but if it breaks 80k expect another shadow ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586445
>that's all that matters according to your rules
Nope, you are misreading it. There are two rules
>big numbers > small numbers
>must have cute anime girl avatars

[Anonymous No.]

What is the highest number of archived karaoke?(no milestone or return stream)
Gura's "unarchived" one was 119k

[Anonymous No.]

Current status of nijien2

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586480
Why do the cute girl avatar matters? You don't give a shit if they don't have a horde of eop redditors in chat so evidently the avatar is irrelevant, what's relevant is the amount of eop redditor hordes

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586501
Are they performing better than what gen 1 achieved?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585399
Apparently, VNUMA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586471
Are we talking about the max number or average?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586534
Yeah, at 24hr they were roughly 3k subs above gen 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586406
Bad timezone, but since it's going to be archived the urgency will be lower than otherwise.

I expect 30-40k CCV with very good VOD views. If it breaks 60k CCV I would be surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586544
Does it matter, neither is particularly good

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586587
>neither is particularly good
why are you in the numbers thread when you don't know or care about numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586568
NA: 23:00-2:00 EU: 6:0-9:00 JP:15:00
Damn...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586559
around 15-20% better than gen 1 huh.... ogey

>>6586615
That's sodapoppin anon, he only comes here to shit post about sodapoppin having a vtuber avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586615
3k viewers is good now? I thought anyone under 30k was dead irrelevant bankrupt etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586507
>Why do the cute girl avatar matters?
Again, I don't make the rules, I merely enforce them

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586587
490K not good?
DO you only watch SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586646
You do pull rules out of your ass, contradictory rules that make no sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586661
Before she announced her graduation, bringing all the chinese in to celebrate, she was getting like 3k viewers, pretty weird to brag about a graduation stream anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586642
Engagement on Twitter is around 1/3 of gen 1 last I checked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586646
If he starts doing greentext then its the wojack poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585469
>>6585482
Ah, never mind. It really is just a useless metric of no perceivable value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586692
"MAX" number but you said neither is good
So 70K meme review not GOOD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6581573
I mean... the Holos I most frequently watch are Peko and Mio for opposite moods/reasons. Neither of them have expressed any concrete dreams other than to get bigger maybe. I also clipwatch/casually stream some of the other Holos. Some of them have big dreams like Watame and Sui-chan, but those have never really appealed to me (except Sui-chan singing, but that's pretty much universal). So the "idol dream" can't be the only reason people watch.

And if you're talking about endless vs ending, then yeah that is probably one reason. Reinforced recently by Coco leaving, almost all Holofans would understand more than ever that whoeover they are supporting will eventually leave the company. But that applies to Niji talents as well.

I also had Niji clips in my timeline back in late 2019, when I found Hololive from the Matsuri cat mario clip. I think the biggest reason I didn't get into them was that instead of advertising that "we have a niche for EVERYONE", they advertised with "we have 100+ livers" as their selling point, and that just intimidates anyone just looking for some casual entertainment. At the time, Holo had like 3 gens and like 20-25 talents. The audience has grown WITH the number of talents, which is why eventually it might reach that threshold with Gen 6. This is the same reason a lot of my friends prefer playing League over Dota, League restricts the number of heroes and slowly unlocks them, while Dota has everyone open at the start, scaring newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586665
Not really, they're well grounded rules based on decades of scientific advances both in mathematics and in comparative anatomy science

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586559
gen 1 was nuked by susan, they were approaching around 30k subs in day 1 before the banbots acted

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586724
What, and meme reviews are not representative of her ususal streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586728
anon stop paragraph posting take your meds and sleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>6584164
I think you've had some good takes anon. I think that there are a lot of people who go from holo to niji because they get tired of the kayfabe and the Hololive Grand Narrative

[Anonymous No.]

lmao this anon is trying way too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>6583853
Niji feels more like a VTuber Union than a company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586766
MAX, get it ?
Give you a chance, you can say her daily streams aren't good.
She is a project-type Vtuber (Asacoco, meme review)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586742
Not really, what do redditor eop hordes add to your experience, and if you're only there to see redditor eop hordes then there are better places for that, if you really cared about anime girl avatars it wouldn't matter if someone has 10 or 50k viewers but evidently that's not the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586780
>>6586728
>>6581573
>>6581032
>>6580286
>>6582529
Is this anon fucking schizo and just same fagging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586826
might be

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586807
What does that matter, if she gets 3k peak or 3k average, neither are impressive
Also didn't asacoco get to like 15k before it got cancelled? And I wouldn't call looking at pepes and wojaks a "project", she managed to pull some redditors into a stream once a week, cool, she was still a very low tier streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586217
Hololive has shown a surprising amount of restraint when it comes to the western market.
After seeing just how much interest there was in EN vtubers they could have immediately started pumping out more gens.
By waiting almost 10 months to debut other ENs, Hololive has left a lot on the table for other companies to pick up since the current ENs leave a lot of dead hours and don't always do interesting things.
It's actually kind of surprising that Niji hasn't taken off more given how hard they've been marketing and how Holo only had 5 ENs for a long time.
I wonder how the market would look if Holo had seized the opportunity and debuted more girls.
I'm guessing that Niji EN and other startups wouldn't have even made it to the cradle, they'd have been killed in the womb.

[Anonymous No.]

lets bring the topic back to numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-smjxefTCQ
another episode of this holoshow droped today and i think it will do good vodview wise in the long run. Ayame+A hype game that you won't see played by the holos often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586805
They definitely are company, in a sense they can squeeze every last bits of yens from their audience, Their official channel have membership, their most popular pairing (chronoir) have its own channel with open membership too, they use crowdfunding for their merchandising idea, and if you are a frequent in this thread then you know that they are no.1 numberfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586879
storming the market with too many vtubers would only look bad for them. See nijiEN's case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586856
Yeah her superchat is low tier,too

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586922
Goalpost moving

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586918
>they use crowdfunding for their merchandising idea
I would have laughed it off as a joke, but..

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586692
>Before she announced her graduation, bringing all the chinese in to celebrate, she was getting like 3k viewers,
Why must you turn this humble numbers thread into a house of lies anon?
> pic related

Coco was not just above average, one or twice a week, EVERY WEEK, she dominated the charts.
A billion chinks wouldn't be able to stop her had she not get bored of being an (IMO; in her view) unappreciated overachiever in a place trying to raise the average instead of pushing the limits.

I cut her chart short of June to ensure her graduation numbers wouldn't interfer with the interpretation of her body of work

[Anonymous No.]

>>6579743
polka was straight up successful but her company was an actual black company and not a meme one like ichikara/cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586920
If anything that's what's worked out for them, a lot of the popular nijisanji streamers are from seeds or gamers, where they released dozens of vtubers at once, some of them got weeded out and the good ones remained. They could easily just replicate it. Especially since another strength of nijisanji has been large projects, they can pull out 60 people for an event in a week if they need it. No other company can do that, hololive can't even gather 10 people to play mario kart. They have a couple of golden goose sitting in an ivory tower but there's lots of stuff that they just can't do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586879
The honeymoon period only lasted until decemeber of 2020, any chuubas that debuted before then received a massive boost in attention and subs, see vshojo and indies like artemis and africats
After that some switch flipped, possibly because of oversaturation of indies, possibly because of twitter shenanigans, possibly just people moving on after the holidays, but whatever the case there were alot less eyeballs on vtubers afterwards and in particular alot less free eyeballs that were willing to branch out and try new things. If NijiEN had debuted back in Decemeber I bet you it would've been alot more successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587004
>but her company was an actual black company
Tell the thread more anon. The juicy details plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586994
Ok lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586932
The goal is not proving whether Coco is top tier but finding the the tiny flaw of someone's word.
"MAX" is not good but 490K is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586856
Asacoco usually pulled 20k. Every day. In 20 minutes. Coco was streaming with shackles on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586920
Holo pretty much was and still largely is the market though.
Debuting new girls might have have cannibalized viewers but if there were more choices within Holo it would make people less likely to check out other groups.
Holo has the attention to sustain more members without hurting current members too much, Niji doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587006
>hololive can't even gather 10 people
I heavily suggest you to stop talking out of your own ass, anonchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587042
What, coco barely had any viewers before announcing her graduation, you were comparing her to asmongold, he has over 100k just casual streaming, not even the same league
>>6587073
Then why are her usual numbers much lower than that

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT: Asmongold
I'm pretty sure that's off-topic and that guys is only shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586771
>>6586826
new IP nigga, just posted my thoughts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587042
In the end, the pleasure is not the number but disagree someone's opinion. SICK

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587076
>Holo has the attention to sustain more members
True. They don't have the "behind the scenes" staff to manage them tho.
Even Gen 5, EN and ID2 put the choker on them, they only got their shit together with regards to (for instance) 3D lives after they hired a shitload of technical people to fix their shitty sound, stream quality and camera work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587004
Wait, you're talking about upd8 right? Man did they screw the pooch hard.....

>>6586994
Yea, those are numbers that I recognize. I really don't know where this 3k nonsense was being spewed from. Just a Coco anti trying to spew garbage when numbers reveal all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587089
You first. How many of you going on about nijisanji in this thread have watched a single nijisanji stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587104
>>6583772

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587015
>If NijiEN had debuted back in Decemeber I bet you it would've been alot more successful.
The growing of the market by Holo EN allows for Niji EN (lesser known) to even have a chance to succeed at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586918
Oh yeah, despite the insane amount of people demanding to be able to superchat A-chan, the official holo channel still doesn't have superchats enabled during her streams iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587097
Look 85k viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold
Big numbers > small numbers right?

[Anonymous No.]

I want to see the cumulative daily viewers for all of niji and holo side by side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587091
>Then why are her usual numbers much lower than that
The answer is in the post you replied to already. Also Coco's average was not the 3k you claim. She'd get more than that for superchat readings alone. Her very worst days would average at 3-4k range, but she would also break 10k on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587110
ya dude, imagine fumbling kizuna, korone, polka, and azki somehow

>>6587040
someone probably has better details but the story that suck out the most to me was that they tried to break apart her friendship with someone(tamaki?) by sending negative messages from her twitter account

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587091
99.9% is higher but 490K is the highest.
Finding someone's tiny flaw can arise pleasure

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587116
don't try to deflect the topic, nigger who thinks hololive never gathered more than 10 people in one event

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587145
>Big numbers > small numbers right?
Not without a cute anime girl avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587116
80 people anon, 80 of us in the thread do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587040
She worked for upd8. You know, the same company that mismanaged kizunai from the untouchable king of the vtuber industry to the barely relevant husk that she is today. They had a really hard time adapting to the streaming model and kept trying to push it towards the direction of a regular tv show with producers and scriptwriters and such. At one point they gave her an earpiece so that management could talk to her while she livestreamed and tell her to say exactly what they wanted her to. It's crazy how hard they dropped the ball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587159
So still not even close to asmongold
>>6587164
Still not very high though, just about 3k
>>6587167
87k now, hurry you'll miss out on the reddit memes

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587168
I can only speak for myself but with Haachama introduced me to Hoshikawa and I have her in my heart almost as deep as Haachama herself.

Tribalfags are a tiny minority, I can only assume that

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587165
They never have and I care as much about researching it as you care about researching nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587040
>took control of her Twitter account and used it to push feuds with other vtubers
>heavily locked down who she could or could not collab with
>had to stream with management barking orders through an earpiece
>wanted to do song covers and play minecraft but was barred from doing that by management

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587207
3K 10k 100K 1M don't matter
Someone's word is not 100% accurate matters .
It gives others a chance to disagree and talk shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587015
I don't believe that there was a huge drop in interest in December.
It only looks like that because there was a huge live view purge that hit all the Holo ENs.
I've been looking back at EN archive views and the VOD views don't really change despite losing a huge percentage of live views.
Some pre December VODs even have fewer views than several week old VODs on the same channel despite having like 10k more live views and 7-8 months to accumulate views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587191
>At one point they gave her an earpiece so that management could talk to her while she livestreamed and tell her to say exactly what they wanted her to.
No fucking way, I sincerely doubt there are people in this God blessed planet as dumb as trying to impromptu script a livestream.

Aqua is a master of "scripted" events, she arranges it beforehand with Marine and Mio and do things more or less unscripted until the timing is right for the one scripted skit (see: Akukin relay).
Trying to improvise it on the fly is the dumbest shit I ever heard. I cannot possibly believe even upd8 is this dumb and I know how dumb they can be
You surely jest

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587237
let me guess, you probably don't even watch nijisanji either

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587243
>>6587191
Are these streams still up? It would be a blast to watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587261
But factually I was correct, she was getting like 3k viewers before announcing her graduation

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587237
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpnCX6ajDU5_H3YvHQGjIOH_ejXWyg_xU
here is a playlist of the hololive mario kart tournament that happened this year
there was also the minecra festival that happened recently and the minecra sports festival last year

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587278
My goal is successful, I'm talking shit now.
Does Coco close to someone matters?
The best way is ignore or talk back when I'm not in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587270
Upd8 is a company run mostly by boomers who came in from more traditional media companies and it shows. They were absolutely terrified by the concept of a livestream, particularly the idea that the talent could just decide to say anything they wanted without management approval or control, and, well, you can see the results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587308
Yep barely anyone not even close to large nijisanji collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587264
>I don't believe that there was a huge drop in interest in December.
There weasn't a drop in interest in December, the way live viewers got counted changed. There WAS a decrease in viewership in the FEB-APR range though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587303

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587333
It matters if you talk about numbers, big eop redditor numbers

[Anonymous No.]

huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587345
Their CEO also believed that the VA wasn’t important and that the character was.
Absolute morons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587243
man imagine going through that and when you finally get away hololive goes through the aloe shitstorm and the china yab

poor girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587366

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587402
anon pls explain
>>6587379

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587395
Polka is personal friends with Yagoo. She probably knew way more than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587376
These are two things:
1.Coco's number
2.Find your tiny flaw even it is not important at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585958
you can't script this shit up man.
That's probably why I love hololive. Even in the early days there was Holo resistance series and Neighbor war series of clips.
Pretty sure Nijis had these types of narratives going on, but in my past year browsing /here/, /jp/ and reddit I have yet to see anything similar from Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587421
Dunno, your screen is bugged?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587435
anon stop posting photoshop

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587395
Still a better environment for her. Seems like she's doing what she wants for the most part nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyHJ0eP91ufWGGJQdIQGlSA/community?lb=UgxJ-BMAOxA2AX4rlEZ4AaABCQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587431
Didn't Niji have a Game of Thrones like shit going on for a while somewhere? Did that bring in numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587389
That still manages to take the cake for the most out of touch a vtuber company has shown itself to be with their target audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587431
nijiark

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587440
Uhhh pls explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587431
no shit, no one translates that for you bottom feeder redditors

[Anonymous No.]

>Asmongold anon got got
I wonder if he's screeching powerlessly without being able to respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587533
About what, he's vastly more popular than anyone in hololive, just watch him

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587471
The ark PVP? i think so. Pretty much all their big events bring big numbers to their mid and low tier livers too(koshien, mahjong and apex season xyz)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587508
Anon numbers don't lie

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587237
>They never have
WTF? They just did not a full month ago
>Usaken relay
Not even the highest attended event, I believe Sports festival had more people

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587545
Without a cute anime girl avatar it is just like throwing a good steak in the garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>Asmongold anon got got again for evading.
I can hear the seethe from here

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587357
I really don't understand the change in the live view count.
Some Holos got hit really hard like the aforementioned ENs as well as Korone while others like Marine and Pekora weren't really affected.
The Feb-April decrease makes a lot of sense to me. Those months weren't terribly eventful and there were a ton of breaks and debuff game choices compared to the Minecraft, Apex, and horror games played in earlier months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587503
>>6587527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znl4KC8v_-g&list=PLRSxCHFn5y_uIppBhk1q9jho3cFBC_oOW

Just found it, from April 2020. Guess it was never recommended to me.

> ~40k views
> Watched the first minute, introduces like 10 different people, expecting the audience to keep up.

Do Nijiclips have this "we have MORE" syndrome as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587663
yes, there's a clipper that did a segment on why niji clips are harder to make than holo clips actually where the large cast is listed as one of the challenges.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587657
I thought youtube got better at detecting adblockers and stopped adding them into the live view count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587856
nobody knows for sure, it's just something people guessed at

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587856
>>6587657
https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users#ad-blocking-by-country
Guessing that this might the big one, there's a pretty big difference in the %adblock usage between Japan and the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587713
what's the name of the clipper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587650
Your posts also got deleted, but looks like the holojanny is being butthurt so I'll cut to the chase, you're a redditor monkey and you'll never learn japanese
It seems like asmongold really got you holofags good though, I might pull it out again to shit on your numberfagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587713
> First clip of 5 minutes is ENTIRELY setup with absolutely ZERO footage of the talents.
> Second clip of 10 minutes is the SAME

What the fuck Nijifags?
Did they at least not have the archives for these "historic events"? At least a 30s clip of the thing described happening?

[Anonymous No.]

There it is dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587950
I can't remember, I know he was a guy who was also a vtuber himself but beyond that I don't remember, it was linked in a thread and I didn't think to save it, and now I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587366
>9 months ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587977
How the neighbor wars thing popped off was that it used clips to build the story.
This is just lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587977
Oh god it looks like some kid in 2010 did it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587965
Who are you talking to anon?
>meds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588102
(You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587928
>Japan one of the lowest countries in adblcoker usage
That would explain why HoloJP girls without large overseas fanbases did not get hit as hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588136
Also means Nijisanji barely got affected so their current view count is pretty accurate.
Hololive is more on a case by case basis with someone like Gura potentially losing several thousand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6585547
what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6587856
I don't think anyone knows for sure since there have been several other plausible sounding theories.
One is that since their channels are set to Japan, the large amount of non Japanese views are being removed as spam.
This doesn't really explain Towa though since she didn't have a noticeable drop unless it takes a larger threshold of foreign views to trigger a purge.
If you look at the live view graphs before and after December there are these weird plateaus in the post December graphs.
Here's a recent example: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gGbXkos5E3o
Here's a pre December comparison: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/983K4eyK16A

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/Asmongold/status/1415589790741893120

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588198
Pretty sure Gura is missing a lot more than a few thousand live views.
Her average max live views were consistent from Sept-Nov at something like 45k, 45k, and 46k then in Dec it suddenly dropped down to 26k.
I'm pretty sure she's missing close to 40% of her live views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588464
That's actually ... sad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588408
Yeah, some fuckery is going on. I've been convinced since the purge that the actual live viewership for the EN girls is around 30-40% higher than what youtube shows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588843
That would line up with the adblocker numbers pretty well, and while the JP hit doesn't match quite as much, they're probably more likely to watch form.a mobile device if I'm not mistaken, which is less likely to have Adblock as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6588843
>>6588896
That's irrelevant, the numbers that get acknowledged are the numbers that can be measured.

Maybe your dick is 20 inches long but 15 of those inches are folded into a fourth dimension you can't see. That would matter ZERO for a girl you are trying to bang

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589047
Absolutely fair, we can spec all we want, bit it means jack shit if YT doesn't count em.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589047
Directly comparing live views between streamers that experienced a huge live view drop and those that didn't is kinda pointless.
It like comparing how much two people can lift while one of them uses two hand and the other only one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589278
They all did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586406
realistically, I think about 20~30K

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsELrMJki4
new short video from Marine....seems she forgot the sound tho

[Anonymous No.]

Do we know if IRyS karaoke will be archived or not? I think that would make a pretty big difference in terms of live viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6586217
ANKIMO NO!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589494
It will be archived

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589372
I don't know about that, they certainly didn't experience drops in the same magnitudes.
Go look at Pekora and Marine's live views for an average stream pre December and a comparable stream post December.There isn't really a noticeable difference.
If you look at the EN's live views there is a huge noticeable difference between their average stream pre and post December.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589558
>There isn't really a noticeable difference.
Yes there is. Her average dropped from around 40k to around 27.5k

[Anonymous No.]

>>6589867
There was a chart a couple threads back that had the average max live views for each month.
Pekora had a huge peak of 46k in November but after it went back to closer to her usual average from Sept and Oct of somewhere around 35k

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>>6590218
Here anon, you can actually see the exact date she all but stopped getting over 40k avg.

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>>6589520
Oh, I'll lower my estimation to 15~25K

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>>6590668
She got ~22k playing Apex in a time slot an hour later. She should clear 25k pretty easily if nobody else is streaming at the time.

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>>6572714
As her long time fan, i guarantee this isn't rrat

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>>6590550
I went back and looked at the VODS, and you're right. Her Minecraft VODs lost a decent number of live views.
I still don't think that she or most of the JPs were hit as hard as EN was.
Most notably throughout the Minecraft summer festival Gura had more total views while having far fewer live views and streaming for 30 minutes less than Pekora.
It makes no sense that Gura should have had more total views during and after the festival under those conditions.
The view churn required to make up the difference would have had to be unreasonably massive.