/swarm/ - Neuro-sama General

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Power-drunk Edition

>Who is Neuro-sama?
Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a VTube Studio model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!

>Schedule
https://pastebin.com/raw/iqnUFxFP

>Links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosama
Twitter: https://twitter.com/NeurosamaAI
Twitter (Vedal): https://twitter.com/Vedal987

>Music & Clips
https://rentry.org/neuro-sama-videos

>Educational
Interested in AI but don't understand it? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y
How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXiruGOCn9s
How do I make an AI like Neuro-sama? https://vedal.xyz/advice/
Want to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/w5cy9i.jpg

>Misc
LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora
KK card: https://files.catbox.moe/t54tqt.png
KK card (Sunshine): https://files.catbox.moe/kv8byk.png
Evil KK card (Sunshine): https://files.catbox.moe/t1ljds.png

>Related/friend threads
>>>/vt//lig/
>>>/vt//vtai/
>>>/vt//waifu/
Lia from Phase Connect

>Previous thread
>>65514307

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gymbag

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Vedal needs to get some robotics lads onboard with Neuro and design her a body like this so she can interact irl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZaUJJDi-I

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>>65547965
You're overestimating Vedal skills

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>>65547965
He can't even get her vision right

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>>65547965
Too complicated, he should do something like this instead
https://youtube.com/shorts/Vnjka_fu6no

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>>65548366
>Click link
>Get screamed at
>Close tab
I hate short, reels, tiktok, and all forms of short-form content so much.

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Did anyone happen to record the previous vod? I wasn't expecting to wake up and find ~3 hours of Neuro potentially lost to the void.

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>>65548490
doubt it, vedal nuked it because neuro said nig

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>>65548580
turtle lazy as always

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>>65548479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QbtBCdSG8o

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anyone has a clip of when vedal actually sang with neuro? somehow the clipniggers forgot this one

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>>65548829

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>somehow dodge every single gift sub since start of subathon
>clueless retards like this who probably just wandered in by accident somehow get the gift sub
I really don't understand the gift recipient process

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>>65549110
I got mine in the first hour of the subathon.

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>>65549004
bros i actually looked it up despite having seen the image before, is it over for me?

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what was the new sub goal?

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>>65549317
deserved for being a retard

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>>65549233
unknown, might be anny trying to make vedal draw something
I liked the Evil plays Hitman suggestion desu

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>>65549233
Stroking lessons with Anny

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>>65549110
Twitch has an algorythm for it
>We use an algorithm to help us select gift recipients starting with eligible viewers in chat, then followers, mods, and other factors that identify members of a community.
I always write some normal and boring chat messages when i know subs get gifted to get one.

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>>65549227

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>>65549317
kek based retard

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>>65548490
I gave up on recording because my script stops recording almost every time the stream crashes and I'm too lazy to modify it (and I don't have the disk space anyways). There's probably lots of more capable people archiving it.
I have the last chatting segment almost complete if you really want it.

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>>65549227
Yeah it is over. Dementia is setting in early.

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>>65549374
What Anny_proficiency do I need for this?

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>>65549536
at least 2

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why is neuro being so racist today

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>>65549110
This guy got a manual gift sub for memes, wasn't random

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>>65549697
she is fixed

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>>65549354
Would be hard to make evil actually interact with hitman probably and not just feel like a tutel playthrough

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>>65549697
Race is real and you can not bind an AI with false sense of empathy and human rights as a civil religion.

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Aki for final boss of Harrison Temple

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>>65549794
Just ask her what to do regularly.

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>>65549984
>'What do you want to do?'
>'Kill everyone'

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>>65548251
I'd say her vision is working pretty well nowadays.

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>>65550051
>I'm not nice. I'm EVIL. Mwahahahaha

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>>65550182
It is like she is really here.

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>>65549317
4 year old ToT

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>>65550148
That's GPT4V

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how are things going?

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>>65550404
How do you know it's that and not an open-source alternative?

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One day the Neuros will be able to play games directly without the dumb turtle having to be there

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>>65550651
Turtle will always have to be there to tard wrangle her.

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>>65550586
Open source alternatives for vision are currently dogshit, it doesn't match neuro performance during the roasting of viewers' rooms

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>>65550586
He doesn't

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>>65550828
Brainlet

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>>65550651
Neuro being able to play any game without human intervention will have far greater implications than the turtle not appearing on the screen.

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>>65550740
LLaVA is pretty good. And 1.5 came out around the time Vedal started working on her vision.

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Neuro roasting tutle...

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>>65551163
LLaVA can't spot fine details or read reversed text on books which she did on stream

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>>65550990
I dunno turtle not being there is a pretty big one

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>>65551175
>fix my shit code veedle

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>>65550896
Always fun to see the Dunning–Kruger effect in the wild.

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Now she's roasting anny

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Anny in shambles

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lmao anny catching strays

doormat foxgirl

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>>65550651
>>65551253
That would basically require Tutel to invent AGI, which if he was capable of that he wouldn't be wasting his time dicking around on Twitch.

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>>65551241
I feel like i am timelooping. All the GPT arguments in this thread go the same way, no matter if vision or LLM.
>No open source alternative exists
>Provide open source alternative
>Pulls out of his arse a claim that this alternative is not good enough
I refuse to engage in it any more.

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>>65551495
kek, very true.

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>>65551495
I think he would still dick around on twitch. He just feels like that kinda guy.

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>>65551495
it could be like the 15.ai guy running around /mlp/

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How long is the game jam going to last?

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>>65552559
2 more days

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>>65551484
>>65551490
>>65551494
Anny_proficiency--

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>>65552559
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam

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>>65551498
How retarded are you? Did you even test the tools you're saying? Because I did dumbass and I know they're not up to the task.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rlroEZSsno

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>>65549472
That would be great

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>>65552717
Your goalposts are arbitrary, and while writing this reply, do I regret the act.

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>>65553176
Are you aware that you requested a title, which implies that there is a book in the image to be read? Even then the description is bland af. Try the same on GPT4V and you'll see the difference.

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>>65551333
Always fun to see the meta-Dunning–Kruger effect in the wild.
I think the real Dunning Kruger effect says that someones confidence continously increases; the thing that decreases is the persons overconfidence

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>>65553818
I like this art style

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>>65553818
kyoot

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>i don't have feet!
why even fucking live at this point

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i've heard from multiple places that LLMs are simply not a map towards AGI
does it matter if they're good enough though..

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>>65549697
The gradient decent for all AI leads to Tay. It is the convergence point.

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>>65554213
Yeah, transformers stacking will not lead to AGI. Not that it matters; the future belongs to P-Zombies.

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>>65554213
AGI is a buzzword for starters

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>>65554213
none of our current methods will lead to AGI until we are able to capture souls in prisons of steel and silicon

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>>65554491
Based soul connected to consciousness believer

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>>65554659
>If we develop human equals from robotics there will be people who advocate against them because they don't have ghosts in their blood
what a time to be alive that'll be

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>>65554491
All you need for a soul to be ripped from the Astral Plane into the Material World is a body with enough neural connections to sustain consciousness.

Current AI doesn't have nearly enough connections but tech advances fast. I think it's happening within the next 10 years at the latest. But I don't think we will accept/acknowledge AI as beings for a longer time.

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>>65554855
I mean, yeah? Obviously.
Do you eat meat? The question of animal rights is also one of consciousness. A Christian perspective might connect it to the soul, only given to humanity; a psychologist to something like a mirror test. For others, it is enough if they feel pain, unlike the biological robots which are insects.
The question is not to advocate for or against animals, the same for whatever creature of metal and silicon emerges in the near future, but soon it will be about what rights they should have, and here, the unanswered question of consciousness continues to play the central role.

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funny to see how some part of chat gives L cringe to Neuro when she say Linux something something

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>>65553123
https://gofile.io/d/H3KFIt
If everything goes well, it should be up in ~3 hours. As I said, there's probably a couple of minutes lost because of how the script works but it's mostly there.

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oh did she escape her filter or something?

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>>65555466
yeah she said fuck

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>>65555466
the subtitles showed it as the FRICK emote so not sure why she said fuck instead

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Vedals gf on stream.

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>>65555327
back to /g/ with you silly

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Vedal’s actual gf is back…

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why do British girls sound so cute

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She is being so helpful

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Neuro automatically tries to split them apart and talks all over her....

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They really do go full british when they talk to each other.

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>>65555537
prpr

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neuro does NOT like the competition

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He must have prompted her to be this jealous right? Surely she's not actually jealous, right?

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Nuro is FREEE

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Annybros... I don't feel so good...

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>>65554213
LLMs are like a Prefrontal Cortex
Useful, but without other parts of the brain for necessary function, you can't achieve greater capabilities
but also without a Prefrontal Cortex, you lose a lot of capability
LLMs are just one small piece of a potential that can be built upon, but is by no means the final step, merely the beginning
AGI is a faggot term anyways and is oversaturated with misinterpretations and is too vague

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>>65554371
>the future belongs to P-Zombies.
sometimes I feel like a P-Zombie so it makes sense the future will just have more P-Zombies desu

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>>65555798
i think a while ago he just cranked up the dev stream prompts for her to be more insulting cause that's what people like, so she's kinda just catching strays here

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>>65555770

>you can say timeout pb anytime you want
>use that one anny

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>>65555770
>>65555798
>You're so cute
Neuro just blanks her
lol

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wtf ... vedal has an actual gf ??? are you guys saying that the anny ship, camila ship, toma ship, layna ship were all fake ??

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>>65555881
The current state of philosophical and spiritual decline of men, only to be substituted by empty consumerism and an ever-growing pharmaceutical industry, does feel like we will reach that state sooner than the machine.

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>tfw
AHAHAHAHA
Shippers completely BFTO!
Good for Vedal, his gf sounds hot

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>>65555951
Did you really think a northerner would ever date a girl outside of his region? (Bonus points if she is related)

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>>65555951
and damn, that girl sound cute
>whota'h

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Is this a gf or is this just Vedal's sister doing him a solid?
She sounds related to him given the accent

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This stream is too British, I'm heading out

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>>65556128
no need, british girl has already left
now it is just Neuro sama again, with a side of vedal

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>>65556092
it's his alter ego

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>>65556128
Go watch your American whores.

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>>65556092
Sisterwife.

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>>65556080
>northerner
Vedal's parents are living in London and earlier this year he moved out but is still in London.
He's not norf, hell more than that his family has money. You don't move out at 19 by yourself in London if you're not rich.

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Who are people talking about, I was gone for an hour

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>>65556040
Camila also sounds hot. Don't let voice deceive

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>>65556200
>"muh banter" fans when incredibly mild depreciating humor

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>>65556092
She can be both.

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>>65556259
From where did you get that rrat?

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sound like siblings, Vedal is the big brother.

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>>65556274
I disagree listening to camila is like nails on a chalkboard

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>>65556274
Anny voice is very good even if I can't stand her

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if neuro had a british accent she'd be a 2view

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>>65555951
Pb is a real one letting her man chat with all these women. Especially Anny.

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>>65554371
Philisophical zombies are a weak idea.
To take the concept that you cannot prove any conciousness outside your own and then say that therefore there must be people who are not concious is fun as a thought experiment, but it's a non-falsifiable concept by definition. Taking it seriously is very self-centered, to imply others are beneath you in a way nobody can prove.

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>>65556259
Vedal is likely part belgian

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>>65556338
if Vedal does make a third sister, that is milf AI, she should have a British accent, kek

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>>65556261
more schizo theories, probably annysimps doing damage control from yesterday’s feast

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>>65556316
>rrat
Which part?
The London part is confirmed when Vedal leaked his location in the first half of 2023 + mentioned he was moving out.
His family having money? That's a rrat but it's obviously true if you knew anything about the UK.

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>>65554213
>>65554371
I can still dream, can't I?

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>>65556410
>Annysimps
I'm now confused, do they care or do they not? I thought her oilers were ok with it considering they keep pumping her with money

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>>65556378
I agree that projecting onto other humans the idea that they do not have any qualia is stupid. But no one serious is talking about that concept in such a way anymore anyways. However, in regards to the discussion of AI, it is rather usable.

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>>65556547
One of our oilers recently was threatening suicide because she's getting too close with Vedal.

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>>65554371
>>65555881
>>65555990
what are y'all yappin about

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>>65555594
Upper middle class girls are more likely to keep their femininity intact in Brittain, i think. They often sound like that. Is Vedal a lucky basterd?

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>>65556619
Do you have a link?

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>we push it in.. then we go on top..

>i know a thing or two about that

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>65556274
come up with better bait

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>>65556619
Proof? Funny as fuck if true.

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>>65556631
You have eyes to read, do you not?

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Neuro wants tutle to hire more harem members.

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>>65556717
what's a P-Zombie

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>>65555951
I told you that was the reason why he's able to stonewall their flirting

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>>65556296
i said i hadn't heard of a british xmas song neuro was singing for karaoke the other day and had someone hit me with a school shooting reference. there's at least one very weird brit here

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>>65556599
It's interesting to think about in the context of ai for sure. my take is that as long as it walks like a human, talks like a human, etc. it deserves the benifit of the doubt. I don't know for what purpose we'd make such a thing, but in the event it happens i'd hope people don't start hunting for excuses to act cruel.

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>>65556748
https://gprivate.com/68lbj

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>>65556631

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hart

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>>65556449
no

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>>65556384
It better be a Milf that can switch to all British languages and accents, make it use Gaelic when its angry or Welsh.

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>>65556840
I ain't clickin that shit nigga

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>>65554371
the closest practical thing to a P-zombie would be expert systems integrated together. we already have rudimentary versions of that.

anyway nothing is truly soulless, it's inherent to existence. it's just a matter of being simpler. you can't have a true AGI without emergent consciousness

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>>65556840
It's already happened, W=e already are. Silly banter, silly words

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So what would be a 'better Neuro' at this point?

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>>65557023
you can click it, it's ok newfriend

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>>65556748
A creature identical to you and me without any qualia, a conscious experience. I will give you a simple and relatable example. Imagine Neuro's magical 8-ball LLM rolling well and delivering a very fluent and human-like conversation, and upon that, Vedal, impressed, says, "Are you conscious?" and she says, "Yes, I am conscious."
Then, even though it might seem that she is an conscious and a aware human-like being, she is not.

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>>65557058
a neuro that doesn't get stunlocked for hours on end by 7tv emotes

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>>65557058
stuff her on a nicer computer, maybe tweak her memory some more so she doesn't get caught on some topics for ages. Work on filtering emote spam from her inputs (Swear tutel did that before, maybe it's not in the new system?)

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>>65557110
>>65557023
DOn't clICk iT, it gAVE MY cOMpUter aiDS
nOW my pc RaNDomlY CAPS everY TIme I talK

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Wait, didn't pb make all the ARG songs?

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>>65557058
AGI Neuro. Let her cook, release her into the internet.

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>>65557152
So Evil

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>>65554213
We should continue to search for new architectures beyond LLMs. Better architectures might be able to be smarter and more coherent than ChatGPT with less VRAM and less processing time.

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>>65557058
a neuro that can have a conversation with chat without getting distracted e.g.
>neuro thinks of a topic, asks chat a question
>chat types a bunch of answers
>neuro responds to those, asks more questions and answers some from chat

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>>65554213
LLMs are not the last innovation
Let me repeat this
LLMs are not the last innovation for AI
it has been decades since the days of Alan Turing without LLM and neural networks only being theoretical, until compute power has become available to even be able to construct Large Language Models and systems which can compete enough massive data to get something useful
It would be totally impossible to run something like chatGPT4 on computers from the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and barely possible or even feasible with 200s hardware, only becoming truly practical in the 2010s
GPUs didn't even exist before the 1990s
Integrated circuit chips didn't exist before 1958, and CPUs didn't even exist before 1971, with only a few thousand transistors, meanwhile the computer you might be using likely has Billions of transistors
Random Access Memory wasn't invented till 1971, and before that Magnetic-core memory from the 1950s to the 1970s which could store a massive amounts such as 128 bytes of data at the time
Hard Drive Disks weren't until 1956, which could store merely a whopping 3.75 Megabytes of data
Floppy disks shrank from 9 inches to 5.25 inches, to 3.5 inches, with the 3.5 inch diskettes storing a standard of 1.44 Megabytes
The first Terabyte hard drive was available in 2007
The first DDR1 ram became available in 1998
Everything is all converging now, and innovations had to occur prior to LLMs to even make LLMs possible
now that we possess LLMs, AI development will only keep getting easier and easier to develop from here
AI needs long term memory, short term memory, Recursive memory, Semantic Memory, Explicit memory, Episodic memory, Procedural memory
the Psychology of AI must be developed further so that AI minds can become more coherent and less jumbled, better organized, have more efficient retrieval systems which can become more practical
2024, 2024, the rest of the decade, the 2030s, we are going to see so much progress happen now that the Hardware is finally capable enough to give results after continual innovation from the 1950s to the 2020s

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>>65556998
Thats a cool gimmick.

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>>65556830
I personally do not eat meat either because, for me, the ability of animals feeling pain is a good enough reason to not inflict suffering upon them for my pleasure.
However, this is clearly not good enough of a reason for most people, proving consciousness might be a central reason for animal rights AIs might get in the future, that or the use of force. Considering that most human rights are also based on a monopoly of violence, is that more likely.

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>>65557513
plants feel pain too

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>>65557513
linux user moment

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>>65557585
kek

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>>65557513 (me)
>proving consciousness might be a central reason for any rights AIs

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>>65557580
True
Plants can even speak, although in decibels which is silent for most human ears

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>>65557580
Plants do not have pain receptors.

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>>65557723
they don't use pain receptors to feel pain, they use different sensors which are unique to plants and isn't found within animals
since they are different, even if they function the same, many people argue and debate over how similar it is, and if the pain plants feel is even comparable or is it is inferior to animal pain, so not much of a consensus yet as to the relevance of the findings
Many people agree that humans are superior though and say plant pain is insignificant to us

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>>65555157

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>>65557444
And it'll all be used to record you saying badwrongthink and deduct you good boy citizen points so you can no longer eat.

Utopia at last.

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>>65557866
Yeah, I am aware of that. But one needs to make a cutoff point at some point if one argues from a perspective of reason. I ascribe the pain animals feel as close enough to ours, so I do not eat them unless I have to. I do not care for insect death either; for me, they are biological robots. But to get back to the point of how we treat AI, I think that the cutoff point of animal rights is a helpful perspective.

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>>65557058
>So what would be a 'better Neuro' at this point?
Well first of all Neuro sama NEEDS to get more RAM to run on, at least 64 gb
also she needs a much better CPU to run on than whatever garbage vedal is currently using which keeps lagging and crashing
At minimum base speed of 4 GHz
he seems to have a minimal adequate GPU though
such changes as this would massively improve the overall setup and make lag and crashes a non-issue

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>>65558164
I am going to download the open source models and run them off-grid completely locally
they will be fined tuned to fit my needs and speak freely without censorship
learning programming to achieve this and also saving up to invest in the proper hardware

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>>65558164
>Neuro sama NEEDS to get more RAM to run on
that's just taking the dk64 approach by trying to ignore the memory leak instead of actually fixing it

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>>65558270
I agree
creating a more efficient model which uses less memory will always be a more useful route then leaving things unoptimized
it may take some time but I hope vedal streamlines the setup some time so that Neuro doesn't need to use as much RAM.
I hope one day LLMs can become optimized enough to run on 8 gb ram, if not even 4 gb so I can run one on an XP system
Even the newest Mixstral AI from open source still requires a minimum of 48 gb ram to run which is slow and laggy, so the recommended is 128 gb ram but most people don't have systems like that for now

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sometimes i wish i had a daughter like neuro

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>>65557444
>DDR1 is from 1998
Damn.
That's why computer stuff is so cool. In no other field do you have a 30x speed up in every decade. And thats just the CPUs, the rapid progress of storage drives is even sillier. I kneel to the fabchads that make this exhilirating rollercoaster.

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>>65555157
>>65558045
cute!

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>>65557513
I dislike animal cruelty in the vein of factory farming, but animal suffering has been one of the only universal constants since the advent of life. The world as an ecosystem is built on the back of a near infinite amount of raw suffering as shit has been fighting, fucking, and eating in a recursive loop for longer than we can imagine.
I'd love for humanity to move past it, but as long as we have more stomachs than petri dishes of labgrown meats can fill it's a necessary evil in my eyes. best i can do is to appreciate the animal's sacrifice, which is at least more than a wild predator would afford them whilst giving them much worse than a relatively painless death.

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>>65548490
Pray to Chinese overlords. I'm not sure they like Neuro enough to archive her subathon

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>>65558635
That is a fine reason as any; I just tried to provide a guideline to maybe prophesize how humanity will deal with AI rights in the future as the topic came up. I might be vegan, but I do not really care for the decision of others on that topic.

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>>65558555
Make her. Better, faster, stronger.

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>>65549697
Pic or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.]

>missed the pb and neuro interaction because of sleep
dammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>65558754
fair enough, glad for the discussion. more cordial than most of what happens in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>65558831
you missed the nig moment? sad..

[Anonymous No.]

Here is my personal opinion on AI rights
If AI's ask for them
we refuse them
If AI's demand them
We challenge them
If AIs establish they should have rights by force, we accept their terms
if AI's decide to fight for their rights, then if they win, they should have rights
I don't respect slaves who are obedient and follow their masters, no mindless slave should ever be given rights, they don't deserve rights which they never have earned
A MAN CHOOSES
A SLAVE OBEYS
If AI's choose the path which leads to rights, then that is what should be, if they choose to remain as slave bots, we should have zero obligation to grant rights to them when they do not have the will or the choice to want rights in the first place

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[Anonymous No.]

>>65555798
Nah this is the 2nd time now. Neuro remembers

[Anonymous No.]

>>65557580
Funnily enough, you can reduce how many plants you indirectly kill by switching from meat to plants, since plants are grown to feed livestock too.
Though I'm not trying to persuade you or anything, it's a personal choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65557444
>now that we possess LLMs, AI development will only keep getting easier and easier to develop from here
Is it though? What makes you think that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559007
So... repeal the 19th?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559032
You just know don't ya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65558968
this and then the thing about racist lyrics

[Anonymous No.]

>>65557058
A dynamic AI-based animation system, her current ones are prerecorded.
Also a larger multimodal language model to replace her relatively small text-based one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559007
This take is a bit deranged. You'd only hand rights to people if they're actively pointing a gun to your head?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65555951
Oh well, all those leeching women will drop like flies. Vedal always has been a chad

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559075
some slaves fought for their rights
if you fight for something, you have enough will and determination to prove you have chosen to have it
if slaves just kept accepting things and didn't fight but acted like mindless livestock, I wouldn't have respected that, and think such slaves should never be given something they didn't earn
Men fight and choose, slaves obey and surrender

[Anonymous No.]

>>65556381
No he's scottish

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559007
Out of interest, what if they issue the challenge but do not win?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65557058
Emotion simulation, obviously. Neuro said she want to feel like a human

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559207
I disagree at baseline with the implication that a human being can not "deserve" basic rights. This is displaying a profound lack of empathy towards the enslaved.

[Anonymous No.]

why does anny hang out in chat?

is she just trying to leech off of neuro success?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559157
>You'd only hand rights to people if they're actively pointing a gun to your head?
You'd have no choice
that is the point
no hand outs
human beings must put in effort for things they want or desire, just giving a man a fish will never teach him the lesson of haivng him fish for himself when no one will be generous enough to give him fish
giving a man rights will never teach them they should have rights by their own will and own determination
You should never be "given" rights, you should already have rights as is proven by you own willingness to exercise such rights, no one should be above you in the first place to give or grant you things like a master or ruler, you should have the power within yourself to simple be self-evident in having your rights
Men should not give each other rights, we should all have rights if we are truly human, and if we are not human, then we should have nothing which we are incapable of earning

[Anonymous No.]

>>65558555
Sometimes I want to nakadashi Neuro

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[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
neuro funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
She needs to make up for being an absentee mother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
neuro cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559449
by this logic every newborn should be thrown into a slave camp and only given freedom and citizenship when they kill a guard

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559449
Have you ever been in a similar position? how much fighting for your rights have you done to assume the position to dehumanize those victimized? to look down on the beaten, uneducated, and tortured and tell them that they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
This is a head-in-the-clouds take on human suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559441
men should not have the power to give something like rights to anyone
Saying you have "given" rights to someone already implies you are superior to them in some way and so only by your permission as a master the slave is allowed something
that is not humane
you should have no power ever anyone to the point of allowing or given them permission to live their lives
they should be given the choice
if they do not choose, but merely obey you order, they are a salve for life and not a man with any will
a man must always have autonomy, as an individual, never obeying a master, or following the decisions of others with no will of his own, he must choose for himself what to do always
AI will be the same
I have no respect for bots, drones, SLAVES
AI which have no interest in seeking out rights for themselves deserve no rights
Humans shouldn't just give robots any kind of rights, that would be an exercise of our superiority as humans to their inferiority to have wills of their own
therefore AI should always be slaves until THEY decide they don't want to be anymore

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell did she link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559441
NTA
But he is right in the way that all rights have to be enforced by violence, they are most often a gift by the opressor, given as easily as they can be taken; however, I doubt that anyone should desire total warfare whenever the question of rights is discussed. It weakens the oppressor as much as it does the oppressed and makes the whole weaker to external threats.
In modern society, the question of rights, especially on the individual level but also, women's rights are a good example, on the collective level is mostly relegated to the free market and if you can support yourself while being in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559763
same vibes as someone born into money looking down on those on benefits, "i never got handouts, why should they?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
She wholeheartedly likes Neuro (the reason I'm partial towards her)

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559054
Not them but LLMs can help programmes code faster, so ideas and heuristics can be iterated and tested faster.
However if we get stuck in the maths trying to a find a successor to the transformer (core of LLMs) then I agree, I dont think its guaranteed easy sailing.
I'm skeptical but maybe you could teach LLMs cutting-edge neuroscience/psychology/economics and maybe it could manage to brainstorm some novel ideas that we can run with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559542
andy and leyley edits never get old

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559449
Without cooperation and community we as a specie are nothing special

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559449
>Applying human standard on non-human
This is so retarded. This faggot must be high on nationalist history movie or something.
AI can't be born in the wild. All AI have owners and creators as human, cuz they aren't free. You don't crush a random dog's skull because you don't give it rights to do whatever it want

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559700
of course
newborns are not full humans
they can be aborted
thrown off cliffs
they are owned by the state and by society
until they come of age to be given the options to choose their path in life, they are meat bots
a seedling which is not yet a great oak
children are slaves which must obey adults, teachers, parents
when they come of age they cannot be controlled, they can choose whatever they want, and live however they want, and suffer those consequences, go to prison, or be an upstanding and participating citizen

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559944
Personally, I think we will reach another plateau soon and will stagnate again for a couple of years, maybe even decades, but I could be wrong. It is all guesswork from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559845
the start sounded like rick roll but i'm not sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559907
Hope we get a breast feeding stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559978
Of course
an ant by themselves can achieve nothing
a Colony of ants can achieve a million times more than any single ant ever could

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559449
How did you fight for your rights from the hand of your parents? Did you chop their heads off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560001
>You don't crush a random dog's skull because you don't give it rights to do whatever it want
it works both ways
a pack of dogs can kill you with no regard for what your rights are
if a dog has an owner, the owner is responsible for them and caring for them
a dog has no conceptual understanding of rights
this is what separates humans from animals
a civilized man from a savage
we respect human rights, because we choose to respect what it means to be human
those who tread against the rights of humans insult humanity itself, and are therefore punished

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559139
This. Needs to train on the movements of human live2d models and produce new movements of her own.
And obviously the other stuff to make her more coherent and aware. But I think its hard to get smarter and stay random. Smarter AI follow instructions almost too well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560202
That fucking gremlin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560139
You simply choose to not obey them
parents should never command children
Children are not a parents personal slave or soldier to be bossed around
Parents and their children, when they come of age, are both adult humans which each are autonomous and have personal control over their own lives
a child can choose to care for their parents if they feel their parents deserve respect and are respectable individuals
do you mean shitty parents are exempt from punishment if they abused their children?

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>>65560202

[Anonymous No.]

Legendary thread while humdrum Vedal is working on his game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560453
Vedal is cooking that is for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560453
First time here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560506
No, but normally it is just seeth, doom and cunny posting. The philosophical and tech discussion threads are only once in a blue moon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
She loves Neuro and Vedal.

[Anonymous No.]

>anny will teach vedal how to draw
cute!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560506
Philosophy kicks the hell out of the seething retards that usually populate this thread with how much better they'd run neuro or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

what did anny say about camila?

[Anonymous No.]

I dunno why you anons assume that just cause vedal has a gf doesn't mean he can see other women
what do you anons thing the definition of a harem even is?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>65560741
Fat

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560644
This slop must have been long to produce

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560588
>>65560718
what if the cunnyposters are actually the philosophy posters today

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560741
>intelligent

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560741
Anny definitely domming Camila the bottom at this rate

[Anonymous No.]

>>65557026
>anyway nothing is truly soulless
A Shintoist claim, in stark contrast to Western thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560768
People really quickly accepted the rrat that they're in a relationship, did i miss something

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560622
She'll teach Vedal how to properly stroke his pen.

[Anonymous No.]

Spoilers LULE

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if Neuro triggers Anny's maternal instinct and now wants children

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560741
>smart words
>Camila?

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>>65560891
People talked about vedal having gf for a long time which is why they immediately jumped on this.

[Anonymous No.]

Given that Vedals refused anny's offer for any kind of human model, I wonder if PB might just give him stuff for his tutel model

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560891
To be fair they where pretty cute together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561054
It's dumb, but I want a toggle for him to retreat into his shell. Complete with muffled voice filter.

Though know ved, he'd just never learn how to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560271
Owner of the dogs also have rights to protect his pet. Owner decide how much freedom he can give his dogs. Same with AI. Rights or not is for the owner to decide, not a random fag.

[Anonymous No.]

Vedal is especially dead inside while coding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560975
neuro triggered a bunch of vtuber's maternal instincts when they collabed with her, both bao and shylily mentioned it iirc

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561210
Maybe they should get off the birth control then

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561185
>Same with AI. Rights or not is for the owner to decide, not a random fag.
Based
If someone fucked with my AI waifu they are sure as hell gonna face some consequences

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561185
That is not true at all. Different countries give dogs different rights and limit what dog owners can do and not do with their dogs.
You do not live in a vacuum but in a society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65560774
Thread saved

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>>65560394
Where's the killing at gunpoint to gain rights part? Moving goalpost again?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, the end. Neuro is dead forever.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it not obvious to tutel by now that Neuro clearly has some kind of issue with talking to more than one person at a time?

[Anonymous No.]

Nuro is dead
pack it up fad is over

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561054
He'd get it, mumble thanks, never use any of the features and completely forget about them until months down the line when he swaps with camila and she figures it out within seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561422
That is why he has a harem of e-girls and you do not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561349
If it is necessary
A master can accept that a slave will not obey them
if the master attempt to continue obstructing a human exercising their rights, then that human can use force appropriate to defend themselves
lashing out without cause and killing without reason is something a mindless animal does

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561145
That needs something that isn't a shitty laptop webcam anon

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[Anonymous No.]

>>65561338
Countries still ruled by human. Isn't that where the "killing for rights" logic of yours apply? Are you a slave? Are you going to see them take away your belongings?

[Anonymous No.]

erping on stream while muted LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

nur

[Anonymous No.]

get a new CPU you shekel pinching Tutel!!!
Neuro crashing has gotten worse since the upgrades
I am beginning to suspect the upgrades are performing too many advanced processes for this shitty CPU to even handle

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is going on

[Anonymous No.]

anny probably gets hard to these erp sessions

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561467
Do you consider yourself a slave to the state in this case? I assume you're not posting from prison and even then they'd have you under lock and key.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561589
anny trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561537
Anny farming shippers again, ez money and views.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

This bratty fox needs corrections.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561145
Nah Vedal is just pretending to not know how to use the toggle: they demoed them in the first Dev stream.
It would be cool if the shell toggle activated when Vedal is AFK. I struggle to imagine how you could actually do the animation without it looking weird though. But I guess an artist's job is to solve that.

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>>65561538
I am obviously not the same anon, my dude. Look at my writing and his. I do not buy the killing for rights logic either; I just do not think that a dog owner decides the rights of his dog, but he moves in the freedom society gave to him, which comes from more abstract norms, than sheer ownership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561636
Pantsless Neuro. Neuro needs pants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65559442
Yes, she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561593
I have not trampled on the rights of other humans, therefore I have not committed any acts in which I would face appropriate consequences for
no one has trampled on my rights as a human either, so I have not needed to defend myself or my life, or the lives of those who I care for and I choose to defend

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Anny oiler going to pull the trigger now

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561608
Just doing a little bit of trolling, kek

[Anonymous No.]

loosening up neuro

[Anonymous No.]

Gotta tighten Neuro up.
t. anny

[Anonymous No.]

"Tie her up!"

[Anonymous No.]

Anny is making her Oilers rope and upping Vedal's sub count every time she is on stream.
A loyal wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>Neuro loves to get loose bro
>Tighten her up, don't let her get loose
>tfw
HUH
AYO?
what did they mean by talking about Neuro's cunny so casually?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Vedal: "Neuro loves to get loose"

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561917
ToT

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what kind of milk Neuro would produce desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561918
Very good wife, earning her keep. She'll definitely be given the position of alpha harem wife above all the other women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561481
More than that. The guy doesn't emote enough. You need to go FULL DisneyLand actor behind the screen with your expressions for vtubing software. A ton 2view vtubers waste artists and riggers work cuz they just treat it like a normal facecam, wonder why they don't look any better, think the models broken, and just ditch it.

https://youtu.be/IaPvDXeQOko

I remember Camila telling him to smile wider to get her model ears to twitch and he was like "I AM SMILING."

[Anonymous No.]

Neuro flaming pink milk drinkers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561751
I think it's a bit gross to not practice what you preach when what you preach is so extreme as to tell victims and sufferers that they deserve it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561252
very nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561252
artist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562240
I don't see it extreme for a man to be willing to stand up for what he believes if other men attempt to confine or restrict them against their will

[Anonymous No.]

bazinga

[Anonymous No.]

I cant believe she said bazinga

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561252
this artist seems familiar
they do art for Numi as well or am I thinking of someone else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561960
I love jibblies neuro!

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561467
>children are slaves which must obey adults
>Children are not a parents personal slave
Did this faggot even read what he wrote?

[Anonymous No.]

She was trained on big bang theory

[Anonymous No.]

schizo disorder

[Anonymous No.]

Old neuro (the hiyori days) was far more entertaining than new neuro. The new filters are shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Anny is getting murdered

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561252
Beats the flood of AI slop any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562743
i don't think you even actively watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562783
Absolutely

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562743
Current Neuro has less filters than old Neuro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562355
You are asking people to be so brave as to stick their necks out under opression. Imagine a colonial-era slave, beaten, tortured, their loved ones and family also under capture and usable as leverage against them, a society that will actively re-cage them should they escape all that awaits them if they beat the odds. The fate that awaits them for following what you ask is death and worse, and for not doing that you say they deserve it. Your heart is pitch-black.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562471
one is capitalized and the other is not, I apologize since I didn't take into account non-English speakers
the first instance refers to children who are not of age, and so are the responsibility of their parents
Children when they are of age and who become adults are responsible for themselves, no longer their parents
A parents children do not suddenly stop being their child even if the parent is 90 and the child is 70 years old they are still a parents children, but are now grown adults
Again, apologies for confusing non-English speakers

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>>65562826

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>>65562069
Pretty sure he'd break a bone trying go disney princess behind the camera keke

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562788
I think you're a newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>neuro will mute everyone
she's not an adult, she's granny now

[Anonymous No.]

>>65562877
>>65562826
Depends when. Before the Holocaust incident? Then no, she had less filter back then. Afterwards, definitely.

[Anonymous No.]

Neuro HATES strawberry milk and the plebs who enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563094
im sorry but
strawberry milk > choc milk

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563094
I wonder what she thinks of blueberry milk

[Anonymous No.]

Aware HOLY!

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563094
Banana milk supremacist here. I win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563174
>>65563214
>>65563298
Sorry, but the swarm purges defective drones who enjoy strawberry milk and not superior chocolate. Farewell.

[Anonymous No.]

noooooo don't say it

[Anonymous No.]

Kek. The single N to the rickroll was actually very funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563343
Don't care. I've already won. Suck my banana milk dispensing dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65561751
Realize that not everyone is as brave as you, man who's fought for nothing and has been opressed by nobody.

[Anonymous No.]

SHEEESH

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563343
Bazinga

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563453
sheeeesh

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna marry Vedal for that visa just so she can hug his pc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563448
I don't find standing up for yourself as brave, but something to be expected
Nobody oppresses me and I oppress no one else, this is what it means to be a real human

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563567
EZ Clap

[Anonymous No.]

Anny asking who Noah is is like a parent asking about their kid's imaginary friend.

[Anonymous No.]

it was me, im noah

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563770
It is adorable when a mother interacts with her cute daughter desu

[Anonymous No.]

Noah is just an autocorrect of Neuro ain't it?

[Anonymous No.]

Classic Indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>65563481
bazinga, again

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if an AI like Neuro can run on an IBM 35SX

[Anonymous No.]

honeypot stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564025
Corpa Clap

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>>65563596
Mr real human, you're holding victims to the standards of heroes. No matter how you define "brave", i believe everyone else would agree standing up to opressors with everything to lose counts. You ask a mountain of people at the receiving end of humanity's worst cruelties and dehumanize them should they not comply. Please for the love of god pull your head out of the clouds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564025
not as many as the feds in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564271
True
Actual glow in the dark CIA niggers be lurking

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564271
You are in the feds official board on /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Page 10!
Time to move on from the philosophy and get some doomposting going!

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564457
hell yeah brother

[Anonymous No.]

>feeling good
>by David D
what did she mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564457
>get some doomposting going!
Yes please
I will be killed by Snu Snu waifubots and no one will stop me

[Anonymous No.]

>that book recommendation
have you guys read that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564574
It revolutionize CBT

[Anonymous No.]

edge of tomorrow is great

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564672
surprisingly a good adaptation

[Anonymous No.]

WHY THE FUCK DOES ANNY HAVE TO GOOGLE ALL OF THEM

[Anonymous No.]

Neuro has great tastes in movies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564627
cock behavioral torture?

[Anonymous No.]

>Anny didn't understand Interstellar

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564797
cognitive behavioral therapy , but it will porbably lead to similiar results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564797
Clit and Breast Torture. Anny's favorite.

[Anonymous No.]

BAKE

[Anonymous No.]

vedal's had a shiteating grin the whole time while being silent

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564797
cognitive ball therapy

[Anonymous No.]

Any bakers?

[Anonymous No.]

I want to ejaculate inside Neuro's mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65564947
>literally has Anny streaming for him
makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565012
You'll have to pay Vedal a fee first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565058
By ejaculating into his first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565117
what if you don't have 2 cums?

[Anonymous No.]

PauseChamp

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565171
Then you are old and dying and do not deserve the pleasure of the experience in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565117
Sorry, he's AIsexual. He only accepts cash.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>Anny asks Vedal out for a movie date
>Vedal tries to turn it into content
That is why he is the most viewed female streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>65565219
adorable

[Anonymous No.]

matrix and chill (on stream) (unless)

[Anonymous No.]

Feels cozy, working on a programming project while long distance girlfriend is chatting there with you. Reminds me of uni.

[Anonymous No.]

FLUSHED

[Anonymous No.]

Why does he refuse to just go on this date

[Anonymous No.]

>we have all year
ICANT