/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

This trash puritanical company hates Japan and Japanese contents and ban anything related to "American sensitivity". Its time for Hololive to team up with Pixiv and Niji Sanji and run a new streaming/video sharing site for Japanese and weebs. Im sure itd be much more beneficial, censorship-free, and reasonable and a bunch of weebs from all over the world would make and grow contents there like Pixiv has already gathered them, aside from Hololive en which can stay in Youtube since they arent banned just because they are westerners. .

[Anonymous No.]

0/10, too many words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>648912
Tldr Japanese dont need an Amerimutt platform anymore.

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>>648867
Delivering video worldwide is hard, really hard. There's some alternatives like peertube streaming but it has something like a full minute of latency. Also, it would mean taking the risk that the project will fail.
Maybe investing a bit in NicoNico to make it more bearable to western audiences? But the problem is that Niji and Cover are on Youtube because that's where everyone else is. Having a direct contract with YouTube could be better, but considering they make most of their money showing ads to children, being family-friendly is important for them

[Anonymous No.]

its called NND and has no reach outside of japan and turbo weebs

[Anonymous No.]

Just tell them to spin up a PeerTube server as a backup and collect supacha through Streamlabs

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>>648867
Bold of you to assume children and manchildren would willingly change platform to watch japanese content they don't understand
The people that do won't make enough numbers to suffice the change and fill the view quota. Furthermore, confining the vtuber community to it's own platform is bound to end up alienating even more, given that small channels are already struggling to keep even the bare minimum numbers

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>>649012
They fail because they have no content to sell. They just try to run it "for everyone" like western AAA shit games. Pixiv thrives because its specialised in otaku/weeb contents even though the west has Deviantart and such

Niconico douga used to be a popular Japanese streaming site but its now totally dying. However its not like theres no demand for a new Japanese streaming site. Japanese dont willingly use Youtube.

I dont think gaijin power is so strong with Holo jp. When it comes to Holo jp, most superchats come from Japanese viewers. Youtube gains benefit from it but if Cover has their own streaming site working with Pixiv which has already had a bunch of weebs from foreign countries, they will simply gain much more money and be able to easily handle every content of their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>649091
>Streamlabs

Dangerous while the chinks are still pissed off. You're on the hook for chargebacks(and fees) with streamlabs, which is why cover only lets the IDs use it

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>>648928
Have you tried watching something on NND? It fucking sucks big time

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>>649207
Seems you dont know anything about Pixiv.

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>>649018
This. OP is retarded.

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>>649238
I agree with pretty much everything, except this part:

>They fail because they have no content to sell.
There's a reason Holos and Nijis are on youtube, discoverability. Old NicoNico weebs will migrate if they need to, while the younger generation (and the whole world) uses youtube. The Holos wouldn't have the growth they add if not for youtube.
If you have content and no one wants it, you're just going to die

>Japanese dont willingly use Youtube.
I think they use it like everyone and don't really care

[Anonymous No.]

Jewtube played the long game of operating at a loss for years, and it worked. People are now so used to it vthat trying to compete with them would require an investment of the same magnitude.

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>>649470
Well from my view, the reason Holo and Niji went to Youtube is that Nico was so outdated that many users actually left there and didnt have any good functions and formats Youtube already had. If Nico had and could keep their viewers/creators, they wouldnt have mained Youtube. Nico was actually much more popular streaming site than Youtube in Japan in the early 10s.

What matters is superchat anyway. When most superchat comes from Japanese viewers, the global audience doesnt mean a lot to Cover, and also Holo en can stay on Youtube.

Also Pixiv has really grown since last year due to the censorship of American big tech. Ive seen a bunch of weebs starting to use the site. It was also designed for Japanesef users but they are turning into a global platform. Times change. Both of them can share the userbase on the new streaming sites.

[Anonymous No.]

Pixiv already has Fanbox and their Sketch streaming service, they just need to put two and two together and recognize that it'd be more powerful if they could be brought together. Sketch has to be opened up to more general uses, though.

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>>648867
You might be onto something. Imagine if anything related to anime was centralise on a big platform. People will come here to watch anime, read manga watch chuubas etc.

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>>649911
>Nico was actually much more popular streaming site than Youtube in Japan in the early 10s.
The situation changed a lot in 10 years

>What matters is superchat anyway.
No, not really. There's superchat, memberships and ad money. We don't know which is the biggest. If they make lots of money with ad money leaving youtube is a mistake

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>>648867
IF Alternative YouTube that have YouTube features, discoverability and accessibility at the same time less to no ads, more revenue towards content creator, most important, actually survive and profitable.
IF alternative can't do that, all just a pipe dream.

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>>648867
You will never be Japanese. You will never have a Japanese woman.

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>>649470
>Old NicoNico weebs will migrate if they need to
They are already migrating, one of my indies was talking about it on stream recently.
Long-story short:
-They started leaving for twitcasting, YT and other platforms because of the resolution/quality restrictions of NND (by the time NND introduced 720p youtube was introducing 2k resolutions and 60 fps was becoming the norm).
-A lot of game otaku started also trying out OpenRec, Showroom, Twitch and then settled on YouTube because it was not an obscure platform and they could get an audience.
-And then YT doesn't have shit like reserving slots or paying for extending your own stream time past 30 minutes, which made people realize they were paying for basic functionality (which NND can't afford because of the costs of running it).
-Then YT got the same JASRAC (Japanese copyright society for music) deal that NND has (i think JASRAC just opened the program by creating guidelines) and that makes it okay for Karaoke and covers, so Utaite started migrating.
-A lot of artists started livestreaming on YT too, because it means a big global audience and their art actually looks decent on screen.
-Vtubers also got HUGE on YT, which made a lot of people start migrating too and so did and a lot of small content creators started migrating;
Pretty much what NND has right now on the otaku segment is MAD (because youtube copyright is a pain in the ass), the anime simulcasting (and companies are starting to test waters releasing anime on YT), the paid events (because YT still doesn't have a pay-per-view system) and the camgirls (like Twitch's IRL roasties, but pretending to be cute, aka the roomates of your favorite vtuber).

[Anonymous No.]

>>650004
Its been already centralised on Pixiv and it has grown hard and been a norm among weebs. Youtube only threatens and censors Japanese vtubers, they never support Cover business wise. Its a very closed and hostile company So why bother using it?

>>650046
>There's superchat, memberships and ad money
All of these can be implemented into any site. Its not so hard for famous big companies in Japan to do it. Theres a bunch of Japanese sponsors. Also Pixiv has had their own donation system called Fanbox while Patreon has had Japanese contents banned, and plenty of weebs are already starting to use it. So if the new streaming site works like that, theres no issue with western users. They can make contents there and make money out of it.

>>650171
>discoverability and accessibility
It only matters when its actually beneficial. Otherwise its the same as pirated stuff. Also unlike Anime and manga, theres no chance that Hololive JP can work with a western company since they dont use any distributor/translator and more critically, American big tech media and companies HATE it Theres only such an economic risk and pressure in the America-centered platform, and most western viewers only watch clips, and clips can be easily picked out from the new site. Every popular Japanese meme in the west, like Gachimuchi, insane Ronald MacDonald, etc, used to be pasta'd from Nico to Youtube.

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>>651030
>All of these can be implemented into any site.
Not really for the ads, just like you can't compete with Google just by doing an ad platform

>It only matters when its actually beneficial.
They always are on youtube, thanks to ad money

>American big tech media and companies HATE it
I don't think the big tech companies hates them. For the media, they hate pretty much everyone so it's nothing new

>Youtube only threatens and censors Japanese vtubers, they never support Cover business wise
That's just plain wrong, they offer their platform which includes video distribution, ad revenue, payment processing, a usable website and app

[Anonymous No.]

>>649207
>to watch japanese content they don't understand
Uh yeah. The only reason they are even watching Japanese stuff in the first place is all western media is nigged out garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>651203
Can you go back to Twitter to fellate big tech.

[Anonymous No.]

>>651203
>Not really for the ads, just like you can't compete with Google just by doing an ad platform
Again, the main viewership is Japanese. Most westerners only watch clips and it doesnt benefit cover. Vtubing "looks" flourish because of view numbers of those clips but realistically, it only indirectly gives Cover little money. Its the same as scanlation. Everybody reads manga online and talks about it but most of them dont buy it

>I don't think the big tech companies hates them. For the media, they hate pretty much everyone so it's nothing new
>That's just plain wrong, they offer their platform which includes video distribution, ad revenue, payment processing, a usable website and app
LOL This is an awkward statement, since Youtube has already banned/demonetised many videos produced by Holo jp members. Like Choco sensei. went broke due to it.

I mean, whats your problem with a Japanese site like Pixiv? Looking back, most weebs werent using Pixiv until the mid 10s, but they are now willing to use it. I think its just a matter of getting used to new stuff.

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>>651859
Lol why do you keep talking about Pixiv? There is already a Japanese video sharing site and Cover doesn't use it because it's trash lol

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so fucking sick of people starting a "Youtube Alternative" in order to "Avoid censorship and put creators first" and then delivering a buggy spaghetti code mess with porn adds and pre-2010 UI.

This goes beyond even a V-Tuber thing, the jews behind youtube have fucked over everyone that isn't one of the upper-echelon family friendly channels. It's not even a bad idea, a lot of people are unhappy with YT's management, but it seems like nobody with the resources and skill to put forward a half-way descent service agrees.

And even if they get it right, the hard part isnt even the servers and website, it's actually convincing creators to move to the new platform.

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>>651859
>Its the same as scanlation.
It's not really. When you watch a vtuber, you see an ad and they make money. When you read a scanlated manga, the website that hosts it probably shows you an ad and makes money, but the original creators of the manga get nothing. Also, they don't get the algorithmic boost that you have on youtube.

>it only indirectly gives Cover little money
We have no idea about that, we don't know what makes them the most money

>LOL This is an awkward statement, since Youtube has already banned/demonetised many videos produced by Holo jp members. Like Choco sensei. went broke due to it.
I don't deny this, but youtube not working as intended by Cover is the exception

>I mean, whats your problem with a Japanese site like Pixiv?
Nothing. If the interface is on the level of Pixiv I'm fine with it. I would have a problem if it's something like NND which sucks. I'm just saying that making that is harder than it looks, but I'll be fine with Cover being on Pixiv stream or whatever. I'd like to have swimsuit 3D streams again

>>652212
>I'm so fucking sick of people starting a "Youtube Alternative" in order to "Avoid censorship and put creators first" and then delivering a buggy spaghetti code mess with porn adds and pre-2010 UI.
Peertube is alright for videos, but the delay for streaming is a bit of a killer right now

>And even if they get it right, the hard part isnt even the servers and website, it's actually convincing creators to move to the new platform.
Creators and people. Most holos come in a way or another from NND and now are on youtube for the audience

[Anonymous No.]

As bad as YT and Tw*tch may be, they're the biggest platforms, so you're more likely to get exposure. Even dealing with YT's bs, you're probably making more and safer money.

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>>652212
>one of the upper-echelon family friendly channels.
You mean like Gura and Pekora?

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>>651971
As I keep saying, its because American big tech hates Japanese contents and try to control them. Its way easier for Cover to share the same business/cultural values and purposes with Pixiv than with Youtube being ridiculously hostile to Japanese contents. Hololive and Niji Sanji are business. Hololive members are actually employed. Youtube doesnt need to have a right to one-sidedly fire them. They dont even have any conversation with Cover as theyve fucked Hololive up over and over again despite the results of superchats

>>652436
I dont think Ad revenues are so big. Most Holo members dont get so many views, like except for mega popular ones, they only get 50k-100k views per a video. Cover is basically an idol company that operates costly projects. The members actually take sing and dance lessons for instance and the benefits are shared with everyone to some extent, I guess. They are not an independent e-celeb whos self-employed and only keeps playing games and chatting in their room and is easily praised by western media. No western media supports Hololive. Theres only an economic risk like Vice roasted them like "its another degenerate Japanese company with insanely strict standards that should be banned from the western market." Not to mention most western media will follow suit very soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>653380
You are a virgin aren't you

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>>653380
>Cover is basically an idol company that operates costly projects.
They're not, most of their revenue comes from streaming activities (at least if they keep doing 1 big concert a year. If they start doing more that have as many people as HoloFes 2, this could change).

>the benefits are shared with everyone to some extent, I guess
On superchats, youtube takes 30%, Cover takes 35%, the streamer takes 35%

>No western media supports Hololive
Western media hasn't been representative of the population for quite some time, especially for things like Japanese culture

> Theres only an economic risk
There is, which is why it could be nice if they had an alternative, but for now, Youtube will make more money. Maybe they should use some of that money to invest in a competing platform. Maybe their 3D video game will include transactions and thus give them another platform?

>>652499
You're right, but the money isn't safer as you have no control over the platform. It's like when you do an app for iPhone, Apple can fuck you over. Same with a Chrome extension. You get access to their walled garden with lots of people with money to spend, but in exchange, they have total control over you

[Anonymous No.]

>>650350
They're easy to get though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>653380
>American big tech hates Japanese contents
Imagine actually believing this

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>>653632
>They're not, most of their revenue comes from streaming activities
So which means, as I said first, all that matters is superchat. Sorry but you seem to lack consistency

>On superchats, youtube takes 30%, Cover takes 35%, the streamer takes 35%
I know and if they run a new streaming site, they can get more benefits since they dont need to pay for Youtube. And again, as I said first, most of those throwing superchat are Japanese so foreign money isnt an issue here. The 35% money Cover takes is probably used for the salary of Holo staffs and the budgets for their projects.

>Western media hasn't been representative of the population for quite some time, especially for things like Japanese culture
The problem is they have power to censor and ban Japanese contents. They and Twatter weirdos pressure American big tech, and the big tech easily agree with it without having any actual socially responsible business standards. I mean, the higher ups at Big tech are part of those hating Japan. I happened to find an interesting thread on leddit when researching the news that some vtuber called Codemiko has been banned from Twitch. Seems American Big tech and IT companies dont even have any mature common sense

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/le10pe/codemiko_on_her_twitch_bans/

>>653916
Wut. This doesnt prove anything. Im saying your American media hates Japanese contents. Not your simps. Also I believe saddummy gets money from Korean simps and Pekora from Japanese ones. I know a bit about saddummy. I dont understand Korean language at all but have watched her videos. Looked fun. She runs a super long stream everyday, only speaks Korean, and there are only Korean simps speaking Korean in her livechat.

[Anonymous No.]

holy fuck you weebs are actually CRINGE

[Anonymous No.]

NicoNico still doesn't have non-garbage video quality and still spergs the fuck out during JP prime-time every day from too much traffic

NicoNico is also 14 fucking years old.

I don't trust Japs to do fucking anything. Leave it to white people. It's not that they're smarter, it's just that they're the only people who actually give a shit about quality for its own sake instead of reveling in mediocrity and "if it ain't completely broke just leave it as it is" complacent mentality.

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>>654924
>This doesnt prove anything
>Japanese are less than 1/35 of the entire worlds population
>2/5s of the worlds most popular steamers
The west just can't stop keeping the jap women down!

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>>653380
>American big tech hates Japanese contents and try to control them.
Seems like the opposite to me when you look at how many westerners lost their YouTube accounts for ephebophilia meanwhile Vtubers brag about being pedohpiles without any repercussions

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>>655059
Also, let's not forget that Jap fanartists literally moved to twitter in droves despite that site not supporting tags and NOT EVEN HAVING .PNG SUPPORT for the longest time because it's not even fucking meant for art.
Why? Because Pixiv was fucking shit. (And also because Japs apparently don't care about their art getting raped by JPG artefacts which brings me back to anyone who isn't white not caring about quality, useless fucking bugpeople.)

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>>648867
They don't hate anything, they just like money. Youtube has been a notorious money sink since it's inception due to exorbitant upkeep costs and they rely on advertisers to try and become profitable. If you wanna hate anyone for the puritanical inclinations youtube has, hate the hypocritical advertisers and assorted cable companies that helped cause pressure against youtube.
Not that youtube is blameless. They're still horrible with their dmca system and it's implementation as well as just general incompetence when it comes to administration, but their stance towards sexual content isn't because of some puritanical views from board members. In fact, if sexual content made them more money, they'd go all in.

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>>654924
>So which means, as I said first, all that matters is superchat. Sorry but you seem to lack consistency
What are you talking about? Streaming means ad revenue, membership and superchats

>And again, as I said first, most of those throwing superchat are Japanese so foreign money isnt an issue here.
Depends on the girl, and superchat are only the visible part

>I know and if they run a new streaming site, they can get more benefits since they dont need to pay for Youtube.
They'll need to pay for the website anyways, and scale economics would usually means Youtube is going to be cheaper

> Seems American Big tech and IT companies dont even have any mature common sense
It's well known that to get good support from big tech, you have to know people in here. With youtube, their best bet would be to have a few fans working at it

>>655063
>>2/5s of the worlds most popular steamers
Who's the 2nd one? I know Pekora is Japanese, but not the others. Also, since when popularity = hours watched? It's something that benefits streams that stream for a long time

>>655134
Artists moved from Pixiv due to some weird copyright issues too

> anyone who isn't white not caring about quality, useless fucking bugpeople
Twitter and youtube compression would be to differ. At least the websites are usable

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>>648867
there is a reason NND is dying and people only use it for exclusive content anon... YouTube is just too convenient

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't Nijisanji have their own streaming app?

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>>655214
Yes and no. Like cover/hololive the app is used by the streamers to do the motion capture for the live2D

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>>648867
>puritanical company
search naked yoga on youtube
it's 100% faggot (((executives))) pushing their cultural agendas making decisions on what's ok content

[Anonymous No.]

>>655310
>naked yoga
Why can they have this but we can't have Holos in swimsuits?

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>>648867
>>655310
Also what do you guys think is even being censored? If I wanted to see Vtubers act like total filthy whores I would just watch Vshojo

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>>655310
No, their automated system is just shit. They don't bother to actually employ as many people as they should, so a fuckton of shit just slips through the cracks. Also, if it can be argued that something is "artistic", it usually gets a pass, even if it's still demonetized.

>>655346
Because Vtubers are way bigger, make more money and have way more visibility. Plus, there's the "it's artistic" thing.

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>>655310
>((executives))
It's like people forgot the exact moment YouTube went fucking berserk with demonetisation. The two adpocalypses with PewDiePie cosplaying as a Nazi and the absolute nuclear wasteland ad revenue became after political content all got wiped.
It's about 90% on mainstream media pushing bizarro narratives about YouTube being full of Nazis and all the major ad buyers getting spooked. Google doesn't give a shit what goes on the platform.

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>>655134
>Japs apparently don't care about their art getting raped by JPG artefacts which brings me back to anyone who isn't white not caring about quality, useless fucking bugpeople.
Having unraped art doesn't matter if there isn't anyone there to see it.

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>>655474
>Google doesn't give a shit what goes on the platform.
Why can't I posted nigger in the youtube comment section?

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>>655511
Advertisers. It's all about the money, always has been.
Google (and all large, multinational corporations) don't have any political leanings and don't hold onto any moral fibre, no matter how you might describe it.
They align themselves along whatever viewpoints may make them money. That's why Disney is so passive progressive. They'll do just enough to give lip service to progressives and just little enough to not antagonize conservatives too much. Not to mention it'll be easy enough to edit out for chinese and general muslim audiences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>655579
Can I follow you on reddit?

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>>655629
Why does this sound so overly sexual? It's gross. I don't fuck anons.

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>>655483
They don't even post the unraped art on a blog or literally anywhere, for a period the JPG artefact shit versions where the only thing you could get

Thankfully most of them moved back to pixiv and now use both sites (plus twitter improved their image quality anyway)

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>>655660
>I don't fuck anons.
Awwww. Not even for some reddit gold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>655705
I'm not a prostitute / vtuber you gross weirdo.

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>>655122
Youtube accepts them as long as they dont violate their puritanical standards aka "Americain/western sensitivities". Japanese are recognised as the worst offenders of it by them.

>>655159
>Streaming means ad revenue
The story is the same. Most of them dont get so many viewers there. Always like 5k-10k.

> Depends on the girl, and superchat are only the visible part
Ive actually seen it with my eyes in the livechats of the minor members. The most frequently seen currency is JPY, and the second most one is NT, Taiwanese currency I guess?, seems Taiwan has pretty hardcore Holo fans, and then USD, EUR, NOK and such. Celebs like Coco, Rushia are exceptions

>They'll need to pay for the website anyways, and scale economics would usually means Youtube is going to be cheaper
Wut? When Cover and Pixiv own their own Japanese streaming site and manage all the benefits? Wheres the story of the economic risk and Youtube being hostile to Japanese and banning their contents without having/showing/sharing any actual business standards? YT is like a black box. American Big tech are so egoistic puritanical and power hungry that they wont have any business partnership with Cover despite the benefit of superchat, just because the vtubers make slightly lewd contents, and keep hiding every guideline.

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>>655750
What does that have to with my post though?

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>>654924
>codemiko
She was banned for leaking private information, I can't say that's completely undeserved.

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>>648867
>en isn't banned because they're westerners
tl;dr kiara was banned during a stream less than a week ago but was somehow still live

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>>655750
When Cover and Pixiv own their own Japanese streaming site and manage all the benefits?
You're forgetting they have to manage all the problems too. YouTube's only as good as it is right now because of all the millions of dollars and years of time poured onto it and even now it's still a piece of shit every once and a while. You cannot realistically expect someone like Cover to be able to even come close without that much invested onto it plus there's always the possibility of the entire chuuba industry fizzling out even before they could get the entire thing operational.

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>>655883
>You cannot realistically expect someone like Cover to be able to even come close without that much invested onto it
That is true but if this new site was exclusively for Vtubering the traffic loads wouldn't even be comparable

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>>652212
>pre-2010 UI
that's the best kind of UI though, modern web design is dogshit

[Anonymous No.]

It's like you guys haven't heard about LBRY yet

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>>656040
They got any Vtubers though?

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>>655953
Half the business model of VTubers is viciously hijacking the algorithm after you watch two Hololive clips. A VTuber only platform would be beyond retarded.

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>>656025
pre-2010 western UI is nice, pre-2010 japanese UI is a nightmare

>>656040
>blockchain based
It's a scam/vaporware

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>>656074
>after you watch two Hololive clips
>A VTuber only platform would be beyond retarded.
Are you saying there would be no hololive clips on a Vtuber platform?

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder this is okay to Jewtube but choco's asmr isn't

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>>656110
There would be no audience to convert from regular videos to vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

DID MIKO'S ACCOUNT GET BANNED?

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>>655883
>You cannot realistically expect someone like Cover to be able to even come close without that much invested onto it

Why should they come close? They dont need to put a globally fucking huge streaming site "for everyone" . I really dont understand the American or neoliberal-ish idea "for everyone". They can just create a new site specialised in Japanese contents. Today, many western drawfags mainly draw Japanese inspired stuff and put their works on Pixiv. Whats wrong with it? Im just saying Cover can make a streaming site that has a similar concept to it, given that Pixiv, which was originally for Japanese users, has turned into a global site specilised in Japanese stuff.

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>>656289
Even without coming close to youtube, streaming is a hard technical problem, and as proved by the progress of their 3D technology, Cover sucks at solving hard technical problems

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>>656289
>Im just saying Cover can make a streaming site that has a similar concept to it
And I'm just saying every attempted YouTube breakaway has failed. Good luck to cover if they think they can pull it off I guess

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>>656147
What? Did you forget your meds today, anon?

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>>656346
Every site failing doesn't necessarily mean there shouldn't be any more attempts. You're basically just handing the future over to YouTube entirely if you don't plan to combat it somehow. Even so, I think the point is mostly a Cover-operated service would not establish itself as a general video streaming platform like YouTube but is instead more niche. Niche and specialized services are more likely to survive, though the truth is that most people are lazy faggots and want everything in one location because it's easier on their smooth brains.

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>>656409
Not him but they could just use peertube, although the streaming option has a large delay for now, and payment processing would be a pain

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>>656337
Are you saying Japanese cant handle it? Nico used to be much more popular than Youtube and they once had a video sharing site called "zoome" which was pretty good at the latest video technology. Ofc at this point Cover doesnt have any resources to run it, but it doesnt mean they cant hire any good programmers or team up with Japanese IT companies.

>>656346
Just curious, why are you so pushy about Youtube? Also this is off topic but I dont know what western CG site is better or more friendly to anime/cartoon art than Pixiv now. Devianart seems to have been like the western version of Nico. I havent seen the site for years.

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>>656987
>why are you so pushy about Youtube?
I'm not personally I prefer Twitch

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>>656987
>Are you saying Japanese cant handle it?
I'm saying Cover clearly can't handle it right now

>Nico used to be much more popular than Youtube and they once had a video sharing site called "zoome" which was pretty good at the latest video technology.
The keyword here is "used to", Nico these days is literal dog shit

>but it doesnt mean they cant hire any good programmers or team up with Japanese IT companies.
Sure, it doesn't

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>>656289
I'm referring to the quality of Youtube as a site, I'm not saying they have to compete with them on the video-streaming market as a whole.
>>656987
>Are you saying Japanese cant handle it? Nico used to be much more popular than Youtube and they once had a video sharing site called "zoome" which was pretty good at the latest video technology. Ofc at this point Cover doesnt have any resources to run it, but it doesnt mean they cant hire any good programmers or team up with Japanese IT companies.
The big problem here is cost. If the cost of maintaining and updating the alternative costs more than whatever amount normally YT takes had they stuck it to then it's rather pointless because not only does it eat up more of Cover's resources but they also lose out on the other benefits YT has.

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>>648867
It’s been working for him. Idk what you’re talking about

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>Some vtubers are more equal than others. Got a problem with that?

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>>655812
gura get shadow banned all the time for some reason.

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>>656115
Wtf I hate the jews even more now!

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>>657173
>The big problem here is cost. If the cost of maintaining and updating the alternative costs more than whatever amount normally YT takes had they stuck it to then it's rather pointless
Ofc itd be totally pointless if YT was friendly to Cover and there was no economic risk with it.

Anyway Youtube has actually banned and demoneitised videos made by Holo jp members by fucking weird puritanical standards, even though Youtube gains many benefits from their superchat. The double standards will never meet Japanese cultural values. Streaming is always in real-time and streamers arent programmed unlike video game characters, and Japanese vtubers are actually much more punkish than western ones.. Many Holo members dont give in to YT and upload sexy videos after getting banned for doing it as if they arent afraid of losing the current high status and money. So theres no way Cover will change their standards/code of conduct and bend the knee to Youtube.

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Not gonna direct this as a reply to anyone in particular, but I find it pretty intellectually lazy to attribute YouTube demonization and bans to malice.

The fact is that on YouTube every minute more channels are created and more videos are uploaded than any number of Google employees have time to go through. A huge portion of that data is something that YouTube has to delete, or they'll face legal repercussions and increased government regulation against them. This means, in practice, that the vast majority of moderation decisions are automated, with minimal human interaction. This causes errors when their machine-learning algorithm inevitably has false positives.

When Suisei gets demonitized, it's not because people at Google hate virtual idols, it's something like her GTA titles including phrases like "murder" and "steal" tipping off YouTube's algorithm. And when streams get shadowbanned it's more likely because some fan had the bright idea of restreaming the original stream, causing YouTube's algorithm to sometimes think the original is the copy.

Even for cases where a human does need to approve a moderation decision, human error does play a factor as well. With the number of cases the army of human moderators need to go through each day, it'd be extremely hard to enforce any sort of consistent standard.

(Have a read about social media moderators at some point by the way. They need to go through some really fucked up shit in their daily work, such as extreme violence and child porn. Some develop legitimate mental problems from doing it, even though the pay can be good.)

Tl;dr YouTube has to have anal practices regarding banning and demonitization due to legal reasons. This, combined with the extremely large amount of data they get daily necessarily means there's going to be false positives.

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>>658246
Also, YouTube has been happy to host fairly controversial content for all it's existence, so I find it fairly unlikely that girls singing and playing video games with virtual avatars would be targeted. Even more so considering they're making YouTube a lot of money without any controversy, so they're pretty much ideal channels from their point of view.

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>>656115
Someone is fapping to these right.

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>>655249
I swear I remember using some Japanese app through which you could watch vtubers or stream as one

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>>658246
LOL you literally are only talking about YT as if other American Big tech and media and the political climate they are creating dont exist. Wonder why youve found YT so special and assumed theyd never tighten their policies.

>>658315
>I find it fairly unlikely that girls singing and playing video games with virtual avatars would be targeted.
Whos saying it could be a bannable offence here LOL

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>>658246
Also, for all the weridness on Youtube, both Cover and Ichikara have managed to reverse these issues relatively quickly by going through their YT reps, usually within 24 hours (and often under 12 hours) when the errors are obvious mistakes.

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>>648867
Wait for bitchute to implement llivestreaming

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>>648867
Artists can use Picarto and Piczel, no?

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>>658246
I would completely agree with you if not for blatant shit like >>656115 getting through consistently when there's literally no excuse for it.

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>>648867
Hololive and Niji should team up with LMG and start offering streams on Floatplane.

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>>658639
Good job not addressing any points of the post.

It would be nice if you could link to to the news articles that caused you to think that people have an agenda against VTubers by the way. In my experience, this isn't the case, and most coverage about VTubers is the standard "oh, I guess this quirky thing is a fad now" aimed at an audience that doesn't stay up to date on trends. Besides, anime is pretty solidly mainstream nerd culture nowadays.

I don't think I painted YouTube as special either. They're facing the same issues any video hosting site will, when they grow to large enough size. You can disagree with individual decisions on the platform, but I think it's still important to understand the environment in which those decisions are made, which is the very real nightmare of endless hours of illegal content uploaded every minute.

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>>648867
Did the OP completely forget on what project Yagoo and Cover has been working for years?

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>>658246
also, having worked at large tech companies, I can almost guarantee that no one who works on youtube understands how it works anymore

things like this just grow and grow- more engineers mess with it, more knowledge is lost as people retire or move to other projects, and no one cares enough to fix it or get it under control when it's not going to get them promoted like increasing video views by 0.1% will

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>>658703
Apparently "educational" nudity is ok by YouTube, and their advertiser's policies. I imagine if the videos caused a moral panic YouTube would stop hosting those videos, but as long as they don't they're probably fine hosting it. Not to say it's not unfair, it definitely is, but companies don't really think in terms of fairness unless they're forced to by law.

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>>658834
you sound like you are intentionally generalising what i was talking about and skewing my talking point.

also this shit

>I find it fairly unlikely that girls singing and playing video games with virtual avatars would be targeted.

was funny anyway. it seems to show what your criteria and "moral standards" are. if theyd ban vtubers for doing that itd have to be just straight up fucking anti japan racist shit thats even worse than ccp policies. you are talking about your super strict moral standards. to make it clear, for instance, the issue happens when the vtubers sing a "lewd sounding song". while all those american rap videos can get away with expressing hyper sexualization, slightly lewd sounding/looking japanese videos are instantly banned. whats about it?

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>>659065
>comparing music videos from record labels with tens of millions of views with ASMR vtubers who get maybe 3k views on their videos
anon, it's always about money. one of them nets houndreds of thousands of ad views and the other doesn't. which do you think youtube gives a shit about banning or not?

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>>659065
Anon, can you try reformatting your message to a form that people actually understand? You once again made no effort to respond to any actual point, and moreover, the entire post is a fucking mess with not a single coherent thought.

To your last question, "what's about it", is what I've already said, there's no agenda, just algorithms and mentally strained moderatora. Established artists and celebrities get away with it likely because that's baked in as part of the algorithm.

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>>659162
Im consistently talking about america-centric moral standards. Patreon and Twitter already banned the anime porn that "looks" underage, and ofc they didnt show any scientific evidences. Same goes for Steam. American Big Tech and media are unscientific and very secretive when they ban Japanese media. I mean, the cultural conflict will never be solved. I wouldnt be surprised if YT suddenly tried to randomly ban videos produced by loli looking vtubers like Rushia, Luna etc when they "looked" lewd. Every American company bans Japanese contents based on their feelings and hides the reason.

>>659193
Thats my line. You seem to be desperately avoiding the "moral" issues with American Big tech. My only interest is the inconsistent American moral standards. That shit happens randomly and suddenly. They dont show the reason. Im consistently saying thats why Cover and Pixiv should run their own streaming site.

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>>659714
Yeah I see the issue now. You want to talk about your schizoid fantasy world where VTubers are the subject of moral outrage, while everyone else in the thread is talking about the reality. That's why you keep pivoting your argument to talking about some vague moral standards that are not relevant, since 1. anime avatars are not controversial, unlike the loli porn you mentioned, and 2. the decisions are automated, and not an agenda imposed by YouTube.

With regards to starting a new platform, it's pretty obvious Cover won't do that, since YouTube offers way bigger opportunities for growth than any other video service.

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>>660075
>You want to talk about your schizoid fantasy world

classy and intelligent expression.

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>>658639
>you literally are only talking about YT as if other American Big tech and media and the political climate they are creating dont exist
Can you tell me why "American Big tech and media" are engaging in some dastardly conspiracy to undermine Hololive?

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>>649018
NND is a shit platform

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>>653380
>I dont think Ad revenues are so big
Superchat is considered ad revenue.

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>>663301
so shit that majority of big Japanese streamers still use it to this day?

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>>648867
>run a new streaming/video sharing site for Japanese and weebs
China's already doing this with Mildom/Douyu; plenty of Vtubers already dipping their toes in streaming partly on there.

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>>672288
Mildom is Chinese and not Japanese?

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>>653584
you must be one of those western media sjw bugmen lol

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>>664482
The Japanese refuse to move on from old platforms in spite of their flaws, which NND has many of. Anyone with knowledge of tech and Japan's relationship with it should believe it's practically a miracle that enough are willing to use Youtube for Hololive and Nijisanji to be able to survive there.

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>>648867
>Its time for Hololive to team up with Pixiv and Niji Sanji
i cant wait for the fucking pay wall

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>>648867
Semi-related but does anyone else have this problem when you dismiss a pinned message, the chat stop working completely?

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>>648867
I ain't La-li-lu-le-lo but it seems like the Patriots could be behind all this.

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>>648867
The patriots are american big tech compaines, youtube is the world's greatest media platform. They are the media economy, which just makes Cover, Yagoo and his vtubers just cogs in much grander schematic.

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>>648867
I wish. Would be nice to have another country/region of the world that can compete against Western tech domination that isn't China.

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>>676561
it's just like natural law, the world is a much simpler place than most folks realize.

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>>648867
Every aspect of the Youtube platform is closely monitored by three peripheral AIs and a core AI that ties them all together. The SOP System is one part of that. It's all backed up by a foolproof control system.

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>>676873
What if, hypothetically Cover Corp found a way to bypass Youtube!?

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>>657451
probably mass jealous reports from twitter bitches whenever shark streams

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>>648867
Amerimutts especially the ones working at big tech and internet media are totally brainwashed by sjw and woke cult and they will never recover.
Sjws and trannies will infiltrate and ruin holo en.

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>>677059
Time for Drebin to let you in something. Remember the huge nsfw ban that caused tumblr's death, that place was a quarantine zone for all sjw and woke cult. Without it they managed to spread all over the american media platforms just like covid. If it continues... their influence may change the section 230 issue.

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>>648867
Literally there's no western entertainment industry SJWs didn't ruin. Every industry is destroyed and taken over by them. The western amine industry is full of fucking dumb and uninspired sjws censoring and rewriting anime too. I mean, it's just a matter of time.

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>>676947
If they can fool IDS (Intrusion Detection System)... Cover Corp can make its own decentralized network, I guess they could use it as a haven to lay low. In the internet society, we have net havens, data havens... A haven is someplace where social conventions and the rules of the net don't apply. Creating a decentralized network/server is not a bad way to evade the corrupted big tech american media platforms. Youtube, twitter, etc... will act as a quarantine zone for the woke sjw cult.

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>>662860
its the fucking Patriots, a secret organization created by the sjw cultist. They're going to play us like a damn fiddle.