holoraibu west needs to cultivate an actual vtuber audience

[Anonymous No.]

instead of trying to compete for western streaming audience which there are clearly already industry leaders.
>who cares?
the reason EN will continue to not have many lives is because their audience don't care for idols,
meaning your EN oshi's dreams wont come true
despite good performing streamer type talents like bijou, shiori, fauna, kiara, mumei, gura or whoever, their successes won't translate to their long term goals

the gameplan isn't some mystery, all they need are talents that are pan-japanese weeaboos who cater to other weebs or maybe jps; emphasis on shit like anime/manga as the easiest, keeping up with whats what in jp songs, events and idols preferably. if we take the current roster as an example, we need more like fuwamoco and nerissa; irys and jp pandering bae.

in conclusion, cover needs to take the burden of having bad metrics and invest in an actual audience.

[Anonymous No.]

Look at HoloJP right now. Half of them are collabing with "normal" streamers via ARK and GTA servers and cultivating that audience as well.

Maybe Hololive isn't the org for you. Maybe you need to look outside them for weeb-focused vtubers.

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>>64709436
not an argument

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>>64709513
I'm not arguing anything. I'm telling you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
>Half of them
Name 10

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
>half
Stop exaggerating. It's a handful of them and most of them are ones that no one should be surprised are there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709629
>>64709737
>It... it doesn't count! It's just a few of them!
They're still a tightly interconnected organization. Infections are dangerous because they spread quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>btfo'd
>deflects
A tale as old as time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709843
>exaggerates like a retard and says half
>is wrong
>cries about it when it's pointed out
At least bitch and whine if more Holos start playing on them, not before. Right now you just look like a drama queen.

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>>64709927
>Not before
According to the OP post, it already happened with EN.

[Anonymous No.]

it's not like JPs are inherently superior either, when a few holomems invest in the idol stuff, they stop streaming like Aqua and Ayame. there clearly is something peculiar about the current style of content delivery of vtubing that seems inherently against the stuff hololive is trying to do.
was oyabun's and the old ways of video format actually be the best one for singers?
lots of evidence like Azki, Miko and Aki shows there is some sort of compromise of garnering an audience.

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>>64709271
I've watched HoloEN since the beginning and like you suggest I do not care for the idol stuff one bit. The karaoke, the lives, the albums, the songs, etc. I much prefer the normal livestreamer stuff (games, chatting, drawing, etc.) That said, HoloEN doesn't have to do better than livestreaming industry leaders in order to succeed. I mean, HoloEN is already going strong without as much idol shit as HoloJP. It's not getting as many views as JP but like I said, HoloEN doesn't have to be number 1 to be successful.

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>>64709962
its so much worse.
all my reservations aside, mori is literally the only singer focused vtuber in the entire branch and the only one who's been pandering to the jp culture with endorsements like One Piss and the Metal Gear song and those japanese people she sings with

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>>64709989
>when a few holomems invest in the idol stuff, they stop streaming like Aqua and Ayame
Aqua and Ayame are just lazy, Aqua had a sololive and a ton of other things and was still streaming CONSTANTLY in 2020 yet now with one live a year she barely streams.
You probably don't understand Japanese/don't watch streams but Aqua literally said that she was doing nothing all day now because she lost her motivation, she doesn't pretend to be busy anymore

Now fucking go back retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709989
>>64710329
The actual answer is fewer lazy unmotivated zoomers, and hire some Hags

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709271
ENs are just too lazy for that, JPs streams in average way more than ENs despite most of them going at the studio several times a week (sometimes spending all day at the studio) but even after recordings most of them decide to stream for their fans instead of taking a break

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>>64709271
>vtuber audience
You mean, the heavily saturated market that Hololive is tapping?
Competing with your own talents for the same limited pool of viewers is a very silly idea, hence why they need to break out of the vtuber circle to chase for viewers outside.

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>>64709271
EOPs can suck dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709271
something something kensama something something ywnbj something something last samurai something something go back to jp something something

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>>64709271
That will never happen because the two cultures are inherently different and incompatible

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
>half
methinks you aren’t very good at math

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>>64709843
Holy retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
>half

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>>64709513
You retards really love saying this, even when you're completely wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>64709436
its disgusting that homobeggars immediately appear on every kind of thread. you must be an actual terminally online loser.

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>>64709436
It's not possible for everyone and everything to catch on with a "mainstream" audience. I also don't believe such a thing as the "mainstream" really exists. No one is ever able to define "mainstream" other than vague ideas of "mostly everyone" and worse, they often misidentify themselves as "the mainstream."

Hololive and vTubing in general has been a success because it's appealed to a very specific group of people. There have been attempts in the past to appeal to a "mainstream" or "modern audience" and most of these attempts have failed. They are failing for a reason - if a vTuber goes "mainstream," or what Twitter denizens think is "mainstream," they become either another generic livestreamer or a generic e-thot.

And at that point, why would anyone watch them?

[Anonymous No.]

checked up on the thread, some of you guys aren't getting the point.
assume all vtubers are equal and disregard nationalities; why is a company of them bothering to do concerts if they are competing with those who don't? now see the reverse of that: why are they competing with streamers (not just western vtubers) if their goals are things like doing concerts and lives, sponsored events, global collaborations, merchandise etc?

idol culture which involves certain standards and is thus the basis of yabs, against a streaming culture which defies and disdains such restrictions. doesn't it seem like an awful idea to compromise the two?
remember the vshojo nazuna incident where gachikois and the other where consistently fighting each other? at the reactions when kanata was involved in some micra tourney vs some of the other holos? the jp dislike for apex? horizontal? holostars in general?

what would it take to realize that maybe there is an intrinsic contradiction in the current product being put out that tends holomems into these bad situations, instead of having them put up two standards to meet maybe only one (the one hololive is unique on) will be better?

tldr; stop hiring, rating and comparing to streamers, hororaibu aidoru company puresu andastando

[Anonymous No.]

>>64721693
its easy to find the mainstream, hololive are vtubers, vtubers are streamers, streamers are entertainers. you can choose any of the broadening category and take the most popular one.
i can tell you, vshojo is mainstream - in that it is part of the mainstream of streamers - this is only so because vtubers ARE streamers; that is why your post is correct, and why vtubing is on the decline.

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>>64719392
>homobeggars
You mean JP fans? HoloEN has all but purged any male interaction, while HoloJP """""""""idols""""""""" are making actual fucking AVs on stream and the homo virus is spreading through it. Anyone supporting HoloJP is complicit in homobegging, EN is the last safe haven in hololive.

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>>64711786
>Competing with your own talents for the same limited pool of viewers is a very silly ide
Not when every single one of them have enough to afford cars, houses and exotic pets

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>>64722038
VShojo is absolutely not mainstream. Their numbers don't reflect anything even close to mainstream appeal.

Something that truly appeals to everyone would be getting massive numbers of views. Livestreaming itself is niche, and vTubing is a niche of a niche.

[Anonymous No.]

examples of the clash of cultures, in the perspective of the other:
https://youtu.be/35zUl_P0jS4
https://youtu.be/C3f3IMDvBcY
https://youtu.be/O_jPdJUYPC0
nowadays i hate less, because i understand that its not some malevolant force of real people but perhaps an incompatible format.
whats so wrong with returning to curated video delivery vtubers?

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>>64722246
their circles are literally in bed with the whos who of american streamers. don't mistake comparative popularity against the fact that they are undeniable of the same culture of the most popular streamers on twitch.
compare that to youtubers who are NOT streamers.

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>>64709271
The reason that EN doesn't get 3Dlives is because management would have to put in slightly more effort for them.
The reason EN fans aren't that interested in 3D lives is because they don't get any in the first place. Also, I don't know the numbers, but theirs nothing stopping people from watching the JP members 3D lives, it's mostly singing.
They don't need pan-japanese weeaboos who cater to other weebs, what HoloEN need is girls who will cater to Hololive fans. Just look at many HoloJP members didn't know anything about idols before joining Hololive.
More people Irys and Jp pandering Bae are some of the worst people Hololive could hire in order to get a western idol fanbase. Bae's 3D live was almost entirely in Japanese, how are westerns supposed to enjoy that.

The west has had an actual vtuber audience, since Kizuna AI. The majority of Kizuna AI's fanbase was overseas. Hololive recreated it. Hololive has had a large western fanbase since 3rd gen (not that it was 3rd gen that brought them). All they need to do is appeal to that fanbase.
Gaming streams are not what keeps Hololive popular and HoloEN doesn't have much options outside of that. What HoloEN needs is medium sized collabs, big collabs events, and more 3D streams. These are the things that keep HoloJP alive. The only way I really see that happening is if some of the JP members who are good enough at English interact with EN more. It's basically an easy way to inflate the number of EN members.

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>>64721915
I don't know why you think HoloEN is trying to get the streaming audience. HoloEN is mostly appealing to the Hololive audience. When was the last time a HoloEN member go outside the HoloBox? The main problem with EN is that they can only do gaming streams and talking stream (I forgot how to spell the z word). There were "fans" who hated idol culture, but Idol culture won the war for heart of HoloEN. What HoloEN lacks is opportunities. Who's fault that is, I don't know.

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>>64724727
>Bae's 3D live was almost entirely in Japanese, how are westerns supposed to enjoy that.
Exactly
This is why I don't get people saying x should learn Japanese because they will just end up doing most event streams in Japanese.
Cover should believe in the EN girl having their own audience but they keep trying to blend JP with EN and ID just like with Holofes or the upcoming countdown stream. When we watched HoloEN it watch to have Hololive but in English but now events including HoloEN are all in Japanese, having an EN countdown live (ot maybe Christmas live) would be incredible and as someone who watches JP too having less members in an event would be so much more enjoyable. I still remember this Holofes with only 2 songs per holos that was horrible.

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>>64709271
Cover has been telling the girls to expand their audience. I think people at cover might have come to the conclusion that they're near their limit in terms of growth with their current audience. I don't think they can make very much headway on other audiences in Japan, they've tried and are trying with the esport and eceleb crowd. It seem that Cover has been slowly increasing their efforts toward the overseas audience. They've been including the EN girls in more projects, mixing them with the JP girls. In the Sports Fest, New Years countdown, and Towa Mario Kart tournament, they've tried to make each grouping of girls equal amounts JP and overseas, Mio and I think Towa even said they did it on purpose during their events. They had Holomeet, there's been more collabs between EN and JP, and the JP girls in have started speaking more English or really any English at all. Another hint would be that A-chan and Yagoo learned English. In resent interviews with Yagoo, he keeps mentioning the overseas audience too.

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>>64724727
Idol culture isn't a new thing and westerners always hate ldol things. It's not worth investing western idol stuff at all since it's a super small niche scene. If they are interested in it existing idol games/anime/music have to sell somewhat well in the west but it never happened. You don't need to make such a long excuse.

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>>64725363
It would be fine if the JP girls spoke English too. Haft of it is on the EN girl for be overly accommodating, but the other half is still on the JP girls. It's kind of insulting when an EN girls starts speaking Japanese to members who are good at English, it feels like them telling them all their efforts at learning English are not appreciated. Remember during the Kiara-Ririka collab were Kiara had to repeatedly tell Anya to speak English.

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>>64725669
There tons of Japanese people who hate Idol culture too. It may even be more common to hate Idol culture in Japan.
Americans take things from other cultures and change it into something for themselves. Hololive has defined what the word Idol means to western vtuber fans.
Westerns didn't really care about the idol part at first, but they like singing and dancing and seiso girls. Singing, dancing, being seiso girls, and caring about your fans is pretty much what the word Idol has come to mean in the west. Western Hololive fans like this kind of Idol.

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>>64726445
It just doesn't sell in the west. Haters don't matter if the market works and makes money but history tells there's no such thing in the west.

Also as of today most western vtubers don't even give a single fuck about any idol culture. You can take and change it with the interest. To put it another way, you can't make any decent western anime without being interested in Japanese anime.

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>>64727631
If it doesn't sell in the west than why is Hololive the most popular? Also, eastern indies and smaller Japanese corps aren't idols either.

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>>64709271
Good take.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice page 11 bump, OP.

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>>64722038
>vshojo is mainstream
>mainstream. Numbers get rapped by holoEN(not even including JP branch).
????

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>>64727631
>It just doesn't sell in the west.
It does sell in the west. Why do you think Gura, Mori, Ame and Kiara can do whatever they want and still have a fuck ton of money? What you are hoping for is mainstream success like kpop, and thats asking for alot.