What? An anti loli Holostar EN member?

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Anonymous Mon Nov 27 16:58:37 2023 No.63414142 [Reply] [Original]

What? An anti loli Holostar EN member?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:25:00 2023 No.63418394 >>63414142 oh boy oh boy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:29:52 2023 No.63418602 File: 2.23 MB, 2129x3436, 1686455210718277.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63414142 >upsets pedophiles So he's based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:31:33 2023 No.63418679 >>63418602 >Visible Nipple

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:34:00 2023 No.63418794 >>63414142 In all seriousness, I doubt she even cares, and if she does she won’t do jack about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:34:30 2023 No.63418822 >>63414142 Who cares? Like, genuinely? I watched the clip everyone on here is spamming and despite being a lolicon myself I don’t give a fuck if some other dude isn’t into it. You guys are all joking about being mad right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:35:08 2023 No.63418854 >>63418602 of course it's a teamate

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:37:51 2023 No.63418980 >>63418822 What clip, what talent? I was working all day yesterday so I don't have context

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:38:57 2023 No.63419035 >>63414142 Isn't she suppose to stream today?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:44:05 2023 No.63419297 >>63414142 Gura has to come back and make Ruze graduate. It's the only way to get rid of him.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:47:07 2023 No.63419426

>>63418794
Coomers are delusional if they believe anyone in HoloEN would disagree with Ruze on his comments about sexualization. They might not be willing to directly say that on stream but they have vaguely mentioned that anime has problematic elements.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:47:21 2023 No.63419438

>>63418602
>>63418822
>>63418980
He said fictional characters can't consent so he doesn't like sexualization in media unless the male/female/nonbinary person is doing it for empowerment. The loli angle sisters just came up with to get shitposters to do their bidding since he started the rant talking about Wakfu.
It became a raid topic and had to be deleted by jannies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:47:21 2023 No.63419435 >>63418822 I dont think theres a problem with not liking loli the problem is how he talks about it, like a fucking annoying woke sjw

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:51:17 2023 No.63419588 >>63419426 This is why JP is always better. Even NijiEN being super horny outside of Kyo works in their favor here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:54:45 2023 No.63419752 >>63419426 uhm, buddy... Gura is fully flegged Lolicon

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 18:55:46 2023 No.63419802 >>63419752 >Gura is a lolicon lol lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:02:29 2023 No.63420185 >>63414142 >>63418602 Gura and Ame posters. >They are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:11:26 2023 No.63420847 File: 612 KB, 1200x800, 1624697534634.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63419802 >newfag KEK

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:13:32 2023 No.63420966 >>63420847 She hates you, pedo. That's why she refuses to stream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:17:52 2023 No.63421170 >>63419438 WHO? WE ASKED WHO? NO ONE HAS SAID THE NAME OF THE HOMO YET

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:25:46 2023 No.63421604

>>63419438
Thanks, I found out before
>>63421170
It's the ruze guy in his hardcore wow classic stream, just check the recent comments you'll see them defending him

He also stated that Loli = sexualizing children, which means he thinks that covercorp is sexualizing children for money

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:49:26 2023 No.63422829

>>63419588
That NijiEN is willing to pander to coomers by lying to them doesn't mean they are better than HoloEN. The vast majority of women are horrified by degrading sexualization in media especially with young characters. EN vtubers that claim they are okay with that are doing it for the money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:53:15 2023 No.63422992 File: 945 KB, 1920x2348, 1701013890052003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63418822 People take more offense with another homo using SJW dogwhistles >muh non binary muh female empowerment He's definitely one those twitter trannies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:53:33 2023 No.63423008 >>63419438 Arguing consent about figments of imagination is the ultimate internet brainrot. I can't believe cover would actually hire this kind of ironic weeb faggot. I don't see his tenure going well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:54:13 2023 No.63423041 File: 434 KB, 2616x2448, 1700797235521741.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Boy there's a lot of pedo seethe recently. Thank you (male vtuber).

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:55:40 2023 No.63423132 >>63414142 unfathomably based

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:58:41 2023 No.63423272 >>63419438 Fictional characters can't consent in the same way a fleshlight can't consent. They're not alive, they don't have souls, they do not fucking matter. This guy is absolutely fucking braindead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 19:59:07 2023 No.63423295 >>63422992 >non binary people The fuck does this even mean? Binary is for computers so is he talking about AI?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:00:41 2023 No.63423376 >>63423295 Just another way to identify mentally ill people.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:01:27 2023 No.63423414

>>63422992
wow what the fuck. where do they fucking find these faggots? crazy how hololive is the one place in the world where women are more based than men. I will be jerking off to a loli rape doujin tonight by the way and I will be extra hard knowing that it upsets this fag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:02:53 2023 No.63423481 File: 3.75 MB, 1280x720, sexualiz_nonbinary_fiction_is_real[sound=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.catbox.moe%2Fgvxx97.mp3].webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63421170 Cruze

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:02:56 2023 No.63423484 >>63423376 Ah yes. Because these fags didnt have enough fucking identifiers. I identify all of them as what they all are, retards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:03:21 2023 No.63423493 >>63414142 That means the homo will never interact with my oshi, win-win situation, calm down sister

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:03:48 2023 No.63423511 >>63423414 you sound like that fag on twitter who said he jerks off to ben shapiro because he knows he would hate it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:05:38 2023 No.63423597 >>63423414 You just know if they could get away with it he'd have a dozen lgtvbbq flags in his bio

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:06:39 2023 No.63423644 >>63423414 BASED

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:09:02 2023 No.63423778 >>63423481 This has to be some performative bullshit to attempt to rope in a female audience. He's basically shitting on half the models in hololive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:09:11 2023 No.63423779 >>63423414 kinda gay desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:09:12 2023 No.63423781 >>63419438 That isn't what he said, that is the shitposter interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:10:14 2023 No.63423837 File: 155 KB, 512x512, 1888775767.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's weird how offended you guys are getting over this. It's just words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:11:31 2023 No.63423897 >>63423511 except I've been jerking it to lolis for years

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:11:37 2023 No.63423910 he OWNED all you haters big time https://twitter.com/crimzonruze/status/1729209951116268004

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:12:14 2023 No.63423946 >>63423414 >jerking off with a man in mind

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:12:27 2023 No.63423957 >>63423837 Why are you offended by people laughing at a retarded SJW?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:12:46 2023 No.63423973 >>63423778 How? He is talking about characters. Not designs. He cares about diagetics. That is his autist hang up. Lore and worldbuilding. Doesn't seem like it applies to vtuber model designs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:15:56 2023 No.63424116 File: 519 KB, 1700x2400, 1698724892247700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63420966 https://youtu.be/F8rVpbR5N4I?t=7509 Don't worry faggot, I know you don't watch streams so I got the exact timestamp. Watch for at least one minute.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:16:30 2023 No.63424149 >>63423973 He has problems with sexualized characters without consent (whatever the fuck that means) and hololive vtubers often don't even get a choice and get highly sexualized models, not to mention all the fanart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:17:30 2023 No.63424208 >>63423973 What? Design is a big part of sexualization. Of course it will apply to vtuber models. People who rant about shit like that seriously don't draw a line.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:18:49 2023 No.63424272

>>63423910
Yeah I'm sure giving more attention to the twitter dramaniggers will absolutely make them stop and will not have the completely opposite effect. Where's this retard's manager? This homo gen truly belongs to Nijisanji, they're about to have their own Finana momento.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:23:40 2023 No.63424501 >>63423837 This boards go-to insult is calling someone a troon, what did you expect?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:24:42 2023 No.63424555 >>63423837 Don't worry, they're definitely "just lolicons." Why else would they get so defensive over a guy saying he personally doesn't get off to lolis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:25:33 2023 No.63424590 >>63424555 He didn't say that thoughever

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:28:09 2023 No.63424730 >>63423041 Actually it's one butthurted lolilover who creating these threads recently.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:28:12 2023 No.63424731

>>63424149
What it means is diagetics. As in, does the character have a story reason for looking and acting the way they do. The girls in Wakfu are wearing bikini armor for no reason. Bayonetta has a character reason why she acts and dresses sexy. She wants to, diagetically.
Vtubers are not characters in a story. Its a different topic than he is talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:30:00 2023 No.63424818 >>63424555 Why are you so focused on loli the whole weird rant was about the ethics of non consensual fanservice. And anyone under 18 is considered off limits for these types of virtue signalers, it's not just loli/shota.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:32:20 2023 No.63424942 >>63424731 Dude, you can call it whatever the fuck makes you feel better. He specifically used the words "consent" and "empowerment". Not me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:35:12 2023 No.63425067 >>63424942 I'm sorry he used trigger words for you buddy. But there were words around them. And they combine to have a different meaning than you invented in your head.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:40:26 2023 No.63425321

>>63424731
>The girls in Wakfu are wearing bikini armor for no reason.
The artists want you to find them attractive. That is the reason. The fact that Cruze doesn't see them as objects within our minds, but as entities can or would consent or be empowered, shows that he has serious brain rot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:41:17 2023 No.63425355 >>63425067 >what he said was this >no but what he MEANS was actually this other thing that he never said ok schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:41:23 2023 No.63425366 >>63423837 People shitting on him are just using words anon, why are you so offended huh?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:41:43 2023 No.63425388

>>63424590
>I'm not sexualizing fictional children
https://www.youtube.com/live/FGNbm3KGt7w?si=ge9ae_s9wf3Srce8&t=1040
>>63424818
>anti loli in the OP
>half the thread talking about it
There's literally nothing to even discuss on "nonconsensual fanservice"

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:43:58 2023 No.63425491 File: 178 KB, 432x399, 1682490804414579.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is how it starts. If you idiots let it continue you'll soon get your own Uki, is that what you want?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:45:36 2023 No.63425560 >>63423897 I'm just saying its gay to think about other men while you smack wang to cunny

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:45:48 2023 No.63425570 >>63425388 This is much less damning than the other clip, this just means he's not interested in lolis which is fine. The other clip is way worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:46:19 2023 No.63425592 >>63425388 >>63419438 >>63422992 >>63423008 >>63423272 >>63423295

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:47:34 2023 No.63425660 This dude feels like he's going to have a Menhara Meltdown when he discovers people sexualize himself and his co-workers.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:49:52 2023 No.63425809

>>63422992
>he's definitely one those twitter trannies.
Maybe, but he can be a larping dishonest fag like some pick-me vtubers who are "totally based you guys >w<" but instead of chuds he pander twitter trannies/fujo woman.
He can't be a "based brotuber" because no one would watch him anyways so he has to pander tumblrina whales.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:50:14 2023 No.63425826 >>63419426 >fictional characters cant consent so you shouldnt wank off to them >they literally dont exist but you need their consent

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:52:30 2023 No.63425940 Ok so far, it's cringe but he didn't go out to lash out at lolicons yet, only time will tell if he tries to change opinions on ´´problematic preferences´´.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:53:52 2023 No.63426005

>>63424208
>Design is a big part of sexualization. Of course it will apply to vtuber models.
Ruze isn't going to bring up the highly sexualized designs in Hololive. He probably does have some opinions on what Cover did with Ina and Kronii but he isn't going to complain about his own company. Even when vtubers believe their employer is sexist they aren't going to publicly say that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:55:54 2023 No.63426104 Anyone has that screenshot about a tranny sperging about how characters can't have sex because they can't consent for themselves, because the author controls them

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:56:13 2023 No.63426120 >>63414142 who is the girl in this image? Sorry, I've only been a Hololive fan for just over 2 months

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:57:21 2023 No.63426176 >>63423481 the most offensive thing in this is the inclusion of non-binary as a real thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:57:33 2023 No.63426184 >>63426120 Hitomi Chris, she's a secret vtuber you only get access to if you member every single holo.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 20:59:13 2023 No.63426268

>>63425592
Well let's go down the list
>fictional characters can't consent so he doesn't like sexualization in media unless the male/female/nonbinary person is doing it for empowerment
Wrong. He said he doesn't like sexualization on characters that "don't have a say in it or used in a way to bring them down. He goes to talk about sexualization being used in character and explicitly says sexualization isn't inherently negative. https://www.youtube.com/live/FGNbm3KGt7w?si=aENVaKS4tH9CSQko&t=1421
>>muh non bianry
Shiori
>concent about figments of imagination
See above. Also he can't be an ironic weeb if he said he isn't a weeb.
>they're not alive, they don't have souls
See above.
>>non binary people
Ask Shiori.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:00:55 2023 No.63426364 >>63426268 All characters have no say in it because THEY ARE NOT REAL. They have no agency. They are words on a page, pixels on a screen. Shut the fuck up idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:01:59 2023 No.63426421 >>63426364 Yeah context clues are pretty difficult to understand, huh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:02:40 2023 No.63426448 >>63426268 >ironic weeb

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:02:54 2023 No.63426462 >>63426421 For you

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:03:49 2023 No.63426487 literally everyone who's ever come out against loli as LiTeRaL cHiLdReN is 100% always proven to be a tay sachs pedophile actually abusing prepubescent children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:04:15 2023 No.63426512 >>63426462 >no u Every time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:04:46 2023 No.63426541 >>63426512 Not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:05:29 2023 No.63426569 >>63426541 >provides no argument >expects an argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:06:35 2023 No.63426628 >>63426569 I don't expect anything of value from you

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:06:46 2023 No.63426642 >>63425940 + how long you guys think it will take for him to start lashing on lolicons, not just saying his preference but straight up saying quotes like ´´you are all disgusting´´ ´´all of this art should be banned on the internet´´ etc etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:07:56 2023 No.63426705 >>63426628 >Not an argument >I don't expect anything of value from you Clearly you were

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:08:13 2023 No.63426717 >>63426642 >half of Hololive's talent turns on him overnight from one bad comment >Unironic all out war It'll be funny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:08:28 2023 No.63426725 >>63426642 two more weeks

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:08:33 2023 No.63426732 >>63426705 Nope just pointing out facts

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:09:25 2023 No.63426783 >>63426732 >pointing out facts >zero presented

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:10:19 2023 No.63426822 >>63426783 >>63426364

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:10:46 2023 No.63426854 >>63426822 >>63426421

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:12:17 2023 No.63426927 >>63425570 You've got to be autistic to listen to his tone here and come out thinking he's not making a general judgement on loli

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:12:18 2023 No.63426928 >>63426854 Go ahead, what context could possibly allow fictional characters have agency in deciding how they are written? I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:13:06 2023 No.63426966 All the attempts at trying to "what he really meant" is just leading me to think he's like the other homos in that they're probably /here/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:15:23 2023 No.63427083 Is this one of the flips

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:15:34 2023 No.63427091 >>63426717 would be funny af yeah, wonder if he even knows many of the girls are lolicons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:15:58 2023 No.63427107 >>63427083 I would be surprised, this kind of shit usually only comes from whites and Jews.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:17:48 2023 No.63427189

>>63426928
>what context could possibly allow fictional characters have agency in deciding how they are written
I'm glad you stopped being a faggot and finally asked. Well anon, let's take a look:
>All characters have no say in it because THEY ARE NOT REAL
>Listed Bayonetta, a character, as an example of good sexualization
Huh? But I thought he meant ALL characters? You said so yourself. Maybe there's more we can decipher
>sexualization used to bring a character down
>sexualizing Bayonetta makes sense because it's in character for her
Wait... could he mean it's okay if it's part of the character and lame if it's forced onto a character...?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:18:53 2023 No.63427257 >>63427083 He's a white guy from Texas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:19:30 2023 No.63427287 >>63427189 There is no such thing as forcing anything on a character. They are as they are written. There is no force. There is no consent. Your context seems to be just a bunch of autistic anglobabble, not even sure what I was expecting to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:21:58 2023 No.63427418 So cover is just hiring fleshtubers and putting them into costumes now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:22:28 2023 No.63427438 >>63427418 >now

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:22:42 2023 No.63427453 >>63427418 well, Kronii is there so nothing new.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:23:18 2023 No.63427488 >>63426966 There a greater chance of an asteroid hitting Earth than him not being /here/. I swear he was chimping out in another thread earlier this morning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:24:22 2023 No.63427555 >>63427287 >There is no such thing as forcing anything on a character So you're telling me 2B self-destructing her skirt off isn't "forced" fanservice. I must've missed the lore for why that happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:25:15 2023 No.63427595 We could've gotten fulgur instead of this guy...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:25:19 2023 No.63427601 >>63427555 No, it's not forced. She isn't a person, she can't be forced to do anything. It's exactly what the devs intended and there is literally nothing wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:26:37 2023 No.63427679 >>63427601 >it isn't forced So what's the in-game lore reason for it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:27:09 2023 No.63427715 >>63427679 What does lore have to do with fictional characters' consent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:27:17 2023 No.63427720 >>63427595 >Covid “Just Fuck My Shit Up” Fungus I’d have taken a new ID gen over this, and I only watch them once in a blue moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:29:08 2023 No.63427842 >an actual MUH LORE poster in 2023 4chan is a circle

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:29:48 2023 No.63427874 >>63427601 Ok I’m gonna actually ask the questions about this that matter What purpose does that serve, narratively? How does it improve her character? How does it contribute to the overall story of the game?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:29:49 2023 No.63427876

>>63427715
Well if there's a lore reason for her skit coming off, than it isn't forced fanservice. After all, Bayonetta loses her clothes when she performs magic because it's made of her hair and her hair is the conduit for her magic. Therefore it isn't forced. What's the lore behind 2B's skirt?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:31:32 2023 No.63427977

>>63427874
>>63427876
I don't fucking know dude, I'm not some Nier autist. Stop goalpost shifting. What he said is that he doesn't like characters that "don't have a say" in their sexualization. Let's get down to brass tacks, do you acknowledge that fictional characters are objects and not real people with agency?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:32:46 2023 No.63428045

>>63426268
>he said he isn't a weeb
Then why the FUCK did he become a vtuber? I can't believe the tourist and normalfags infections have gotten this deep. There is NO place for you faggots in this hobby and you only latched on to ruin it for the actual fans because you can't stand it when anyone has something nice. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:34:04 2023 No.63428125 >>63427977 I acknowledge they aren't people and are as much of an object as the bed sheets I force off myself in the morning

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:35:07 2023 No.63428197 >>63428125 Good. Do you acknowledge that in the same way your bedsheets have no say in how they were created, or how they are used, fictional characters have no say in how they are sexualized or designed by the writers?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:35:17 2023 No.63428204

>>63427977
>Stop goalpost shifting
Funny you should say that, because it's my exact point. Her skit comes off for the sake of fanservice. That's it. It's no different from having a "press x to moan" button. And that is what makes it "forced" and "doesn't have a say." Meanwhile Bayonetta does, because in character she chooses to not wear clothes and therefore isn't forced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:35:32 2023 No.63428218 this is so sad, I'm gonna go masturbate to laplus to feel better

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:35:37 2023 No.63428227 >>63427977 >goalpost shifting I’m not because THAT’S WHAT THE GUY CARES ABOUT. He’s a fucking lore autist who rambles about worldbuilding, immersion, themes, etc etc. That’s who he IS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:36:34 2023 No.63428284 >All those Vtuber channels that talk about politics or news about vutbers are avoiding this like a plague because that would mean attacking Hololive for hiring this moron lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:37:33 2023 No.63428348 >>63428227 That's not what he said, and I can't read minds so I'm going off what he said. >>63428204 How does that make it "doesn't have a say"? In universe the character clearly chooses to self destruct so she has a say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:39:09 2023 No.63428453 >>63428348 >In universe the character clearly chooses to self destruct so she has a say. And her skirt magically falls off? The rest of her clothes are perfectly unaffected? Great lore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:39:47 2023 No.63428489 >>63414142 Shut up and go stream, Gura

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:40:53 2023 No.63428547 >>63428453 >fantasy sci-fi game isn't realistic Sure, whatever dude. I'm sure the imaginary Nier fan is malding at your epic takedown. Now answer this question >>63428197

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:42:04 2023 No.63428616 Being anti-loli is based, but I didn't like the fact that he acknowledged this non-binary mental illness as a gender

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:42:42 2023 No.63428648 >>63426268 Mental i'll the vtuber

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:43:30 2023 No.63428686

>>63428348
>not what he said
but if you took 5 fucking seconds to think about the kind of person he so blatantly is, from every single second he’s been on screen so far, instead of letting your persecution complex run wild and flipping your shit, it would be blatantly obvious that his words were referring to the context of how it works WITHIN a story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:45:01 2023 No.63428776 >>63426268 >he never said consent he said they need to have a say in it! Are you too stupid to realize they mean the same thing?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:45:56 2023 No.63428822

>>63428547
>>fantasy sci-fi game isn't realistic
>using hair to summon demons somehow is
Retard. To humor you, I'll answer your question
>Do you acknowledge that in the same way your bedsheets have no say in how they were created, or how they are used, fictional characters have no say in how they are sexualized or designed by the writers?
No. Because they are not the same. Why not compare a video game character to another video game character, such as 2B vs Bayonetta? It would make a much clearer comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:46:57 2023 No.63428875 >>63428776 >>63426421

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:49:09 2023 No.63429007

>>63428686
>he actually doesn't mean what he says, he means something totally different
Okay? I don't think I ever made a moral judgement on the guy, I'm just making the argument that what he said - as in the words that came out of his mouth - are monumentally retarded.
>>63428822
They are both objects, not subjects. That is the distinction I'm drawing. They have no agency, and therefore no "say" in anything the creators decide to do with them. Which is why what he said is so fucking braindead.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:49:45 2023 No.63429043

>>63428204
How does Bayonetta 'choose"? Do you think Ruze would suddenly be okay if 2B threw in a one-liner saying "I am an exhibitionist."? This is all subjective, which is why that anon is correct about the illusion of choice when it comes to fictional characters. Nothing wrong with wanting a high quality illusion, but it's a midwit take to say that it isn't an illusion.
Ruze should have said "I have extremely high standards if you want me to get horny over a fictional character".

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:53:47 2023 No.63429273 >>63429007 >>63429043 Guess what Sometimes, when you’re a rambling world building obsessed autist The words you come up with to say what you want to say aren’t 100% perfect

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:58:37 2023 No.63429532

>>63429273
Yeah he said some stupid shit. It happens. Odd that the stupid shit he said is reminiscent of mentally ill twitter folx who treat fictional characters like real people, but honestly I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Just don't pretend the stupid shit he said wasn't stupid.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:03:12 2023 No.63429761

>>63429007
Sure, they're both inanimate. However "inanimate" doesn't mean there are no "forced" uses.
>>63429043
>How does Bayonetta 'choose"?
Simple: she chooses. She's a witch, she knows she uses her hair for magic, she uses her hair for clothes instead of wearing actual clothes, therefore, in character, she knows when she uses magic more of her skin will show. I never said it isn't tacky but it isn't "forced" fanservice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:04:33 2023 No.63429828 >>63429761 He didn't say "forced". Stop putting words in his mouth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:04:49 2023 No.63429844 >>63429273 >rambling world building I mean, I do the same, just never on the job. Weird choice but ultimately harmless; I’m more weary of his audience than his own pants-on-head logic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:05:27 2023 No.63429874 >>63429532 I do agree that his word choice was poor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:08:09 2023 No.63430020 >>63429844 If I let vtuber audiences dictate what I thought of vtubers themselves I’d hate every single fucking vtuber on the planet

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:09:12 2023 No.63430092 >>63429828 I'm assuming you're referring to the second guy. If you haven't already noticed, the concept of "forced vs choice" is central to the discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:10:39 2023 No.63430164 >>63418602 He believes in nonbinaries so I automatically hate him.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:11:34 2023 No.63430206

>>63429761
Bayonetta does not choose because Bayonetta is the product of a writer or writers. Same as if there was a throwaway line in Nier that said 2B has a glitch that makes her an exhibitionist. If you think Bayonetta "would" want to be naked, then the writers succeeded in maintaining the illusion. For others, Kojima's "Quiet breathes through her skin" broke the illusion. But these are all subjective standards. Your "tacky" is someone else's "forced". If you cannot see that this "choice" is an illusion, then I legitimately think you lack the IQ to engage in this conversation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:11:52 2023 No.63430226 >>63430092 No, the first. You're conflating forced as in contrived with forced as in coerced, which is what not "having a say" is. Again, they are objects with no free will to have a "say" in anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:13:01 2023 No.63430281 >>63430226 I am the first guy I mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:16:05 2023 No.63430432 File: 342 KB, 744x1052, 1692532311264626.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63418602 It's ironic that you complain about lolicons and put underage porn in the same post.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:17:54 2023 No.63430530

>>63419426
>Coomers are delusional if they believe anyone in HoloEN would disagree with Ruze on his comments about sexualization
I can think of a few girls that would think he's a total retard and faggot. They have far better taste than his Homestuck loving ass too.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:19:45 2023 No.63430636

>>63423778
Wouldn't be the first time holostars talk shit about hololive. Aruran directly shit on Koyori and said her 24 hour stream wasn't special. He's just not popular so no one really got outraged by it, but it's a thing. Between that and the starsEN being twitter cultists, yeah, no wonder that entire branch is hated and unpopular as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:22:06 2023 No.63430768 >>63430636 >yet another instance of deliberately misrepresenting someone’s words

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:22:15 2023 No.63430779 File: 237 KB, 473x323, 1685398325163.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63414142 Based

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:23:18 2023 No.63430832

>>63430206
Is there a reason you skipped of the words "in character?" That's an important distinction. As you said, there is an illusion to a character, one that is broken through a variety of means. I'm sure you're probably aware of the Metroid Other M shitshow with how Samus was handled. Her personality in that game was drastically different from what (little) was shown in the past. Similarly, it's why sexualizing Bayonetta is fine: it's her character, it maintains the illusion, it isn't forced.
>Your "tacky" is someone else's "forced".
And both are valid opinions. They are some things in Bayonetta I could see people thinking are forced. Yet for some reason opinions that go against yours are not valid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:26:33 2023 No.63430981 >>63427679 The reason is they felt like it No other reason is needed

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:29:07 2023 No.63431132

>>63427874
>What purpose does that serve, narratively?
The devs felt like adding it
>How does it improve her character?
Refer to above answer
>How does it contribute to the overall story of the game?
Refer to the first answer
That is the only answer your kind deserve since we have no obligation to care for the words of faggots, gore fetishists or furries when it comes to the female form.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:31:36 2023 No.63431263 >>63430530 Who in HoloEN actually like to watch fanservice anime in which fictional women are sexually humiliated against their will? How many of them have said they are okay with sleazy fanservice?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:31:55 2023 No.63431287

>>63428227
Oh please, no one's buying that. He's using word for word the mantra of the faggots that hate sexy women in games and anime, ecchi fanservice in Shonen media and the like.
We aren't going to fall for cheap tricks when it's the exact same trick every single time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:33:19 2023 No.63431341 >>63431263 There's like one show that fits this description and it's redo of healer lol, the rest is just hentai

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:35:23 2023 No.63431445 >>63431263 FuwaMoco - self-explanatory Gura - lusting over NekoPara's loli forms of Chocola and Vanilla and Hinatsuru Ai IRyS - loves IM@S

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:36:48 2023 No.63431504 >>63427083 Fortunately, he's not. But I've heard a few other guys here that spew this exact same brainrot. I want to strangle them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:39:15 2023 No.63431622 Is there any male vtuber that isn't the worst kind of reddit ironic weeb faggot? They all seem to be like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:40:45 2023 No.63431683 >>63431287 Your persecution complex is showing

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:40:56 2023 No.63431691

>>63430832
"In character" is a meaningless distinction. You could have a character mind-controlled as part of the plot and have tons of fanservice with it. All sexualization would still be "in-character" and "lore-appropriate". Writers craft the illusion and readers/watchers have their own determination. "Forced" is applying a concept of consent to an area where it does not exist. Bayonetta does not "choose" or is "forced" to do anything. My issue is with midwits that can't properly explain what they actually want, which is varying levels of sexual verisimilitude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:43:05 2023 No.63431799 >>63423481 >sexualized characters in games is okay if it’s empowerment >pantyshots in anime BAD fanservice BAD I bet he hates Senran Kagura but thinks bear sex in Baldr’s Gate is fine

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:43:10 2023 No.63431801
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>>63423481
Am I missing something here? All he said was that he doesn't sexualize underage characters, and that he prefers that characters are sexy as an actual part of their character as oppressed to just being shallow fan-service.

I interoperate "characters that don't have a say in it" as it being thrust upon them as part of their role in the story, not literally asking a fictional character if its ok to sexaulize them. Something like slave Leia for example.

Nonbinary stuff aside, was this really such an offensive take? Even the dramafags are starting to jump in on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfwRDejaLw
I get that there are a ton of twittertards who actually can't distinguish fiction from reality, but that's not the vibe I got here.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:43:26 2023 No.63431821

>>63430832
>it's why sexualizing Bayonetta is fine
This is actually revisionist since originally those fags celebrating her hated her guts for being sexy. They changed their tune when they thought she was a dyke because their emotions are so distorted and fucked they can't imagine that two women could just be friends.
Then they got mad at her after 3 when it was revealed she's straight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:45:30 2023 No.63431936 >>63431801 Wrong video, my bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALouniQSq4I

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:48:20 2023 No.63432101

>>63431801
It's in the wording. He's saying the exact same thing twitter faggots say when talking about ecchi fanservice in shounen media. People are obviously going to notice the words being used since this shit is brought up by those twitterfags every other week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:48:39 2023 No.63432111 >>63431936 >the people in the comments are even railing on him its so over.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:52:03 2023 No.63432259

>>63431691
>"In character" is a meaningless distinction.
If being in character is meaningless than what's the point of writing characters to begin with?
>All sexualization would still be "in-character" and "lore-appropriate"
So if Nintendo gave Peach a dildo, no one would bat an eye? It's apparently "in character" and "lore appropriate" now.
>Writers craft the illusion and readers/watchers have their own determination
Yes, writers craft illusions and consumers have the right to voice displeasure if that illusion is broken. And yes, poorly timed fanservice can break illusions.
>My issue is with midwits that can't properly explain what they actually want
I mean, what is wanted was properly explained several times: don't break character, fanservice has a time and place, not all characters are built for fanservice equally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:53:31 2023 No.63432331 >>63432259 >So if Nintendo gave Peach a dildo, no one would bat an eye? He doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:53:51 2023 No.63432343 >>63424116 >encyclopedic knowledge of a dying chuuba How unnecessarily virgin of you.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:55:03 2023 No.63432406

I'm not even a lolicon and I know the kind of person he is by the way he speaks. The only reason these fags are able to subvert organizations like hololive is cause no one on the English side is willing to put their foot down and say fuck these dudes like the Japanese girls will. They are fantasy streamers you are not supposed to bring reality overtly and mix the fantasy and reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:59:12 2023 No.63432580 >>63431936 >drama vultures already on his ass I thought this would slip under the radar but I was wrong. Hope he learns his lesson.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:00:06 2023 No.63432627

>>63432259
>If being in character is meaningless than what's the point of writing characters to begin with?
Not what he said faggot. Being "in character" by your retarded definition is meaningless because you don't understand any intricacies in characters. As proven here
>poorly timed fanservice can break illusions
I've seen what your kind call "poorly timed fanservice" it never is poorly timed and just your ilk bitching about hot chicks being hot.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:04:25 2023 No.63432813

>>63432259
>So if Nintendo gave Peach a dildo, no one would bat an eye? It's apparently "in character" and "lore appropriate" now.
By definition, yes. I could write in a little blurb about how the new villain, a perverted wizard, mind-controlled Peach to see a dildo as a wand. The reason why you hate it is because it's lazy, and clashes with the rest of the crafted world and atmosphere, but nothing about it is "out of character", since the writers have expanded the world, just poorly and in a direction you don't agree with. That's why it's a meaningless distinction.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:04:41 2023 No.63432825

>>63426268
The entire argument of
>sexualization isn’t bad if it’s empowering or fitting of the character or relevant to the plot
is retarded because you have ecchi anime/manga that use shit like oops i slipped now my crush has face planted into my panties which would be fine under his flimsy logic because literally that IS the plot or something like Monogatari which starts out with Araragi getting flashed Hanekawa’s panties which kick starts the plot.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:05:35 2023 No.63432877

>>63432111
I wouldn't put much stock into it. Drama channel audiences are wholly contained within the narrative crafted by the channel. Hero Hei has always been anti animu censorship in the same way that Rev has always been against "parasocial" or "entitled" fans. So when they make videos on that topic, the viewers of those videos are subject to a massive sampling bias.

I think the thing to bite is that he even dared to go for holostars. I haven't watched HH in a long fuckin time so i might be wrong, but most of the drama channels pussyfoot around anything holo adjacent and run defense when they're able.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:07:15 2023 No.63432967

>>63432813
Anon, Super Princess Peach exists. It's a game on the DS and her quest is to obtain the "vibe scepter" the ending includes a line that says something along the lines of "You might even find one in your parent's bedroom" or that it "affects your parents"
It's a fucking vibrator

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:09:18 2023 No.63433069 >>63419438 Clip or you made this up nijinigger >>63425388 The clip here is not valid as it doesn't state his opinion on others who do it or set any standards for anyone who isn't himself

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:09:20 2023 No.63433071

characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real characters are not real

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:10:19 2023 No.63433118 Curious how everybody here wants to chat but nobody wants to offer proof

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:12:39 2023 No.63433249

>>63432877
doing a quick browse yeah like the latest hololive video he did before this one was defending Mori from twitter, so yeah the dude biting at Holostars is actually quite a shock.

I liked how one of the youtube comments goes like this "My Brother in CHRIST, YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE COMPANY'S WHO'S MASCOT IS THE SHARK LOLI WHO SEXUALIZES HERSELF." And I feel like that really just says it all about why His 2 minute ramble feels really stupid, It's like if you went into overwatch 2 and just started shouting about how much you hated niggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:16:26 2023 No.63433424 >the absolute state >>63427099

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:22:53 2023 No.63433773 >>63427083 Jew

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:24:37 2023 No.63433856 >>63427555 It’s not, it happens as a result of her literally blowing up. By Ruze’s standards that’s “fine” right?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:26:06 2023 No.63433928

>>63432627
>Being "in character" by your retarded definition is meaningless because you don't understand any intricacies in characters.
>I've seen what your kind call "poorly timed fanservice"
I don't think I've ever seen someone prove themselves as a bumbling retard faster before. Bravo.
>>63432813
>clashes with the rest of the crafted world
Sounds like a roundabout way of saying "out of character" to me, chief. Additionally, your example involves inserting elements into the world to allow the idea to exist (one could say you are "forcing" the idea). My example is the character having a sudden shift in personality or participating in acts that go against their personality with no outside influence like brainwashing.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:32:48 2023 No.63434243

so let me get this straight
he is a dumbass, maybe even on the 'tism spectre (I have no phd I'm just repeating everyone else here), he uses tmblr/twitter slang so it makes anons worry he might be a magnet for a turbo twitter cunt fanbase, that could be a bothersome for the hololive members bringing in even more drama and collabbeggars and what else? am I missing something
another thing, I hate that most of the discussion about it is either cunts making too much of a big deal about it, and the retards going "ohno pedos mad" when nobody cared about the loli stuff, everyone has their own tastes, but maybe this ones are just people trying to derrail the conversation? idk I can't read minds
also >>63427555
I haven't played Nier yet, but it could just be that the skirt is just cloth, nothing special, while the rest of the body is covered by a more resistant material, damn, it could even be part of her body (and since she's a robot it's made of an special kind of metal?) correct me if I'm wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:35:17 2023 No.63434364 >>63423910 >doubling down instead of being quiet and trying to memoryhole things he’s making the same mistakes as the zoomer dinosaur despite being older. Pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:41:35 2023 No.63434676 >>63434243 >but it could just be that the skirt is just cloth, nothing special, while the rest of the body is covered by a more resistant material You haven't played the game and know more than that retard. Impressive, since you're 100% correct.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:43:02 2023 No.63434741

>>63434243
>I haven't played Nier yet, but it could just be that the skirt is just cloth, nothing special, while the rest of the body is covered by a more resistant material, damn, it could even be part of her body (and since she's a robot it's made of an special kind of metal?) correct me if I'm wrong
NTA but yes you’re right. Another character from the game, A2 is essentially naked save for a scrap of cloth acting as a tank because her real robot body is exposed.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:45:49 2023 No.63434881

>>63434243
There is no in-game reason for it, anon. It does that because it's fanservice for the sake of fanservice. I don't know how much you know about the game but a tldr is
>robots at war with other robots
>characters die constantly
>everything sucks
>main character is stoic as a defense mechanism
>also the main character can run around in her underwear
As you can see, one of these things is not like the other. I personally don't care outside of finding it immersion breaking, but it's completely fair to find it a deal breaker considering how story driven and serious the game is plus it being the polar opposite of 2B's personality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:48:16 2023 No.63434980 >>63423778 >He's basically shitting on half the models in hololive Who cares? he's a star they should be kept separated remember?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:48:50 2023 No.63435020 File: 1.10 MB, 871x1598, also a main character in her underwear.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63434881 >also the main character can run around in her underwear Congrats, you’ve exposed yourself as having not played the fucking game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:50:38 2023 No.63435108 >>63435020 Congrats anon. You confused 2B for a character you get to play for maybe a fourth of the game. Thank you for proving me correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:51:37 2023 No.63435156 >>63432343 at least take the L that you got proven wrong

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:52:23 2023 No.63435193

>>63434881
>Completely ignores that it's not just robots and this difference is crucial to plot with the concept of Androids being shaped as humans and Machines being seen as non-human and the shock of them having moments of humanity
>Completely ignores the love story part between 2B and 9S
>Completely ignores that the Androids were made by humans and were even considered to be used for sexual acts
>Completely ignores that this part is crucial to the plot since it's about humanity and what it means to be human
But yeah sure, it's totally out of place if you speed watched some retarded faggot's video bitching about fanservice on YT instead of playing the game for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:54:14 2023 No.63435290 >>63435020 He didn't even play the game. He probably just watched some fag on Youtube whine about 2B's butt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:54:22 2023 No.63435298 >>63432343 hey at least he watches gura, unlike you temptrannies who avoid your BOIS like the fucking plague.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:55:01 2023 No.63435338

>>63435108
Except the reason 2B can run around in her underwear is the same fucking reason A2 already does, because they are robots and the cloth degrades whereas their actual robot body does not.

9S can lose his shorts too but it’s funny how you don’t bring that up.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:55:36 2023 No.63435366

>>63434881
I mean it's a japanese game, with a good looking female character with a very short skirt, and there was the other character that is a shota right? he isn't ugly either, the ones that I have seen in screenshots and videos that aren pretty anime people are just regular npcs robots all rusty and weirdly shaped
it would be expected of a game like that to have some kind of fan service that it's there just to make you go hard and... >>63435193
lmao I guess that kinda explains it, right as I was about to reply

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:55:57 2023 No.63435385 >actual nier autists show up >retard gets btfo lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:56:12 2023 No.63435400 >>63435193 >doesn't know what tldr means >more detailed version still doesn't explain how being in her underwear ties into 2B's character It's time to go back, sis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 23:58:31 2023 No.63435501 >>63419438 this might be the dumbest shit I've ever read

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:00:42 2023 No.63435603

>>63435400
>calls it a tl;dr
>intentionally cuts out crucial details that prove him wrong
No, we call that obfuscation.
>Doesn't explain how the HUMANS that made her AND ALL THE OTHER ANDROIDS AND planned for them to be seen as sexual in nature AND even planned for them to be able to simulate sex ties into the main characters THAT ARE THOSE VERY SAME ANDROIDS
You might be retarded. And by might I mean you 100% are.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:04:20 2023 No.63435795

>>63433928
It's not a roundabout way, that's why it's a meaningless distinction. You think it clashes, I might think it otherwise. Neither opinion deals with a character being "forced". Writers can add things, that's not "forcing", because once again, that term deals with consent, which characters cannot give. What you care about is how well it meshes with the image you have in your own head. That image is not the same one shared with the creators and never will be. "Force" requires action upon an individual against their will. There is no such will that exists, you only have the virtual impression in your mind crafted by the material you previously consumed.
>My example is the character having a sudden shift in personality or participating in acts that go against their personality with no outside influence like brainwashing.
You seem unable to accept that these characters don't exist; they are concepts that are dictated by the authors. "Outside influences" are also determined by the authors. Whether they are used by the author for plot reasons or just fan service is entirely up to them. Viewers can and do sexualize based on outside influences as well. The iconic panty shot from a gust of wind is proof.
In fact, you've shifted the definition of "forced", which now seems reliant on the viewers' approval rather than the fictional character's consent (sexualization is okay for Ruze if they are brainwashed i.e. nonconsenually). This is your real issue. The sexualization is being forced on you, and you reject it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:05:56 2023 No.63435884

>>63435400
Gee I wonder why an android wouldn’t feel phased by something like losing clothes. It’s not like she’s not human or anything. It’s not like the entire story revolves around all kinds of robots and androids trying and failing to imitate humans and it totally doesn’t fit in narratively that an android wouldn’t understand the issue a human would have with being exposed or anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:09:17 2023 No.63436062 File: 422 KB, 960x604, 1670562530926.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what a retarded fucking thread lol, treating fictional characters as if they can consent on what anyone can do to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:15:44 2023 No.63436456 there is like 5 or 6 Gura threads, how many Gura threads are usually the norm in the catalog? surely it couldn't be related right? >>63436062 god damnit

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:25:08 2023 No.63436966

>>63436062
Pretty sure he didn't talk about them consenting. He was talking about fanservice that is well justified with in-universe logic (like characters wearing revealing clothes during a hot summer) vs fanservice that isn't (a warrior going to war with revealing armor).
It's not about hurting the fictional character, it's about hurting their characterization and the worldbuilding.
Can't believe how many words have been wasted on arguing about definitions and talking past each other in this thread.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:26:32 2023 No.63437054

>>63435338
>Except the reason 2B can run around in her underwear is the same fucking reason A2 already does
Because 2B is also a fugitive on the run for years who's been hunted by numerous other androids attempting to bring her back to command? I must've missed that part.
>>63435366
>there was the other character that is a shota right
Correct. 9S doesn't have much of a difference pre and post self destruct since he goes from wearing black shorts to black boxers, but he can run around in his underwear as well.
>>63435603
>>intentionally cuts out crucial details that prove him wrong
>intentionally skipping posts so he doesn't look retarded
Many such cases.
>>63435795
>Writers can add things
Yes
>that's not "forcing"
Depends on circumstances.
>that term deals with consent
Not always. In this case, writers most certainly force fanservice simply by inserting it for the sake of it.
>What you care about is how well it meshes with the image you have in your own head. That image is not the same one shared with the creators and never will be.
Source: your ass. Characters have traits. Characters have personalities. Characters have, as you acknowledged, an "illusion." It's why, again, games like Metroid Other M are hated.
>You seem unable to accept that these characters don't exist
You seem unable to accept that all media has a status quo. A character suddenly changing personality or acting against that status quo creates friction with the audience because that isn't who they've been portrayed as the entire time. It's why some characters can get away with things another character can't.
>you've shifted the definition of "forced"
Backread. The audience cannot force anything as they are not the writers. I've always maintained this.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:28:55 2023 No.63437184

>>63436966
Maybe the retard shouldn't have used generic line by line rhetoric from the same twitter trannies that seethe the moment a battle shounen's female characters wear a cheerleader outfit or bitch about a 20 year old having large tits and calling it pedophilia by comparing her to a literal baby.
This all could've been avoided if he wasn't a faggot with twitter brain-rot.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:32:29 2023 No.63437372

>>63437054
>Because 2B is also a fugitive on the run for years who's been hunted by numerous other androids attempting to bring her back to command? I must've missed that part.
Right I totally forgot, clothing can only degrade if you’re on the run for years and living as a fugitive! Explosions would do nothing to flimsy cloth, of course.

Both 2B and A2 are damaged which is why the clothing is worn down. In 2B’s case, it’s from exploding. In A2’s case, it’s from natural wear and tear, possibly from her lifestyle or from battles. In both cases they are exposed because their robot bodies are less degradable compared to their clothes. Now fuck off, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:33:17 2023 No.63437409 >>63437054 Look bro, we get it, you watched some whiny faggots Youtube video about how FANSERVICE BAD. We've seen this song and dance far too many times for any of your bitching to work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:35:40 2023 No.63437510 >>63431263 FuwaMoco. Mostly Fuwawa though.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:37:18 2023 No.63437589

>>63437372
>Android living the the wilderness for an unknown amount of time with no one to rely on but herself
>Android with access to the army's resources including repairs
Clearly they live under the same circumstances
>>63437409
>forced fanservice bad
>SO ALL FANSERVICE BAD???
Concession accepted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:38:22 2023 No.63437652 Other guy is right; you don't have a healthy separation between fiction and reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:39:03 2023 No.63437682 Fanservice is necessary purely to filter faggots like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:40:50 2023 No.63437783 >>63437589 The circumstances are the same when it comes to the cloth fucking being destroyed and their android ass bodies not being destroyed in comparison, yes.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:41:22 2023 No.63437824

>>63437054
>Source: your ass. Characters have traits. Characters have personalities. Characters have, as you acknowledged, an "illusion." It's why, again, games like Metroid Other M are hated.
Actually the source is your mind. That's why there is always debate over characters between the audience.
>You seem unable to accept that all media has a status quo. A character suddenly changing personality or acting against that status quo creates friction with the audience because that isn't who they've been portrayed as the entire time. It's why some characters can get away with things another character can't.
And that status quo differs among the audience. That's why anime tourists freak out about seeing a panty shot for the first time when long time otaku barely register it when watching shonen of the season. Fanservice being "forced" has nothing to do with the characters themselves, just the viewers' approval, in this case, the difference between tourist and otaku.
>Backread. The audience cannot force anything as they are not the writers. I've always maintained this.
Writers also by definition cannot force. Shattering your headcanon is not force. "She's a pure character, she would never consent to getting her panties flashed!" is not a character "getting a say".

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:44:02 2023 No.63437961 [DELETED]

>>63437054
ok 9S exist but can you answer to the fact that they all are beautifull and use skimpy clothes and the other things >>63435193 said?
also, did someone else noticed the jannies deleting >>63435865 but not the multiple Gura bait threads that OP was pointing out?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:45:19 2023 No.63438046 >>63423481 leftist CHAD: pedophilia and sexual assault is bad rightoid chudcel: REEEEEEE how dare you not like pedophilia you normie cuck also rightoid chudcel: leftists are all pedos

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:45:53 2023 No.63438087 >>63414142 Get em Sharky. Make him your next "project"

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:46:03 2023 No.63438098 >>63437961 (me) deleted cause I'm dumb so I'm writing it again >>63437054 ok 9S exist but can you answer to the fact that they all are beautifull and use skimpy clothes and the other things >>63435193 said?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:46:53 2023 No.63438147 >>63418602 Did Ame give her consent for you to post that, sister?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:48:35 2023 No.63438230 How does one write character wearing a green shirt without it being forced?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:49:53 2023 No.63438301

>>63437783
>The circumstances are the same when it comes to the cloth fucking being destroyed
>but only sometimes
Very interesting.
>>63437824
>That's why there is always debate over characters between the audience
You mean when there's an unknown involving the character? No shit they'll be debate.
>And that status quo differs among the audience
Objectively false.
>Writers also by definition cannot force
Yes anon, writers by definition cannot write. Source: your mind
>>63438098
>can you answer to the fact that they all are beautifull
Same reason why most characters in general aren't ugly. I have answered the others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:51:02 2023 No.63438367 >>63419426 Lol Fuwawa is 100 percent good with lolis, Gura too. And Irys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:52:41 2023 No.63438471 >>63438301 How is it only sometimes? The same thing happens when 9S explodes as well, dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:54:22 2023 No.63438577 >>63438367 Gura not being a lolicon must be a meme at this point, her twitter likes alone have been posted throughout the years so often, it would have to be your first month on/vt/ to think otherwise. Also Mori with shota

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:55:35 2023 No.63438645 >>63438471 I forgot 2B's skirt and 9S's shorts are made of paper mache but the rest of their outfits are solid titanium. Gomen

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:57:13 2023 No.63438748 >>63432580 Of course it didn't slip under the radar. Drama vultures are /here--this is where they FIND the drama

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 00:58:46 2023 No.63438858

>>63438301
>You mean when there's an unknown involving the character? No shit they'll be debate.
You've never been in a debate where you questioned a writer's direction and most recent developments? Strange that you claim audiences must have a status quo, yet can also decry about "forced" fanservice.
>Yes anon, writers by definition cannot write. Source: your mind
Writers just write, they cannot force because they don't know what new concepts introduced will clash with your headcanon. Your perspective on whether a character would choose to be sexy is just that, your perspective, molded by what makes you an individual. Your mind is the thing that perceives that it's being forced. There is no forcing fanservice on a character.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:01:22 2023 No.63439036 >>63438645 They should have been naked after exploding, I agree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:04:00 2023 No.63439241 >>63431936 Huh, the video is gone now

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:04:28 2023 No.63439283

>>63438858
>you claim audiences must have a status quo
Source must be your mind because I most certainly never said that.
>Writers just write
Which means they have more power to force things than anyone else.
>Your perspective on whether a character would choose to be sexy is just that, your perspective
Yeah I hear Bayonetta is actually a massive prude but because of some Mandela effect everyone just remembers her in a skin tight suit and making constant sex jokes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:06:56 2023 No.63439520 >>63439241 I was reading the recent comments, and it seemed fairly mixed between people agreeing with him and people saying that the situation was interpreted wrong. Maybe he had a change of heart because of it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:09:26 2023 No.63439810

>>63438645
Considering the only article of clothing A2 has left on is her shirt it’s not like there isn’t precedent for that.

Regardless, by Ruze’s own retarded definition of what is good fanservice 2B fits the bill because there’s an in game reason for her exposing herself and it’s established in the lore through A2 that their clothing is more degradable compared to their bodies. You have no argument here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:12:04 2023 No.63440102 >>63439810 Which is still retarded because a writer can just write whatever for any reason. That's not too say there shouldn't be coherency, but you don't need this recursive reasoning for everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:12:21 2023 No.63440136 >>63438046 retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:13:32 2023 No.63440263 >>63439810 >Ruze’s own retarded definition of what is good fanservice A2 fits the bill because she's unable to seek repairs while 2B would not count. Was it really that hard to agree?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:14:59 2023 No.63440416

>>63439283
>Source must be your mind because I most certainly never said that.
Good, then audiences can have differing status quos, so what makes friction for you does not necessarily make friction for someone else.
>Which means they have more power to force things than anyone else.
You haven't been able to meaningfully distinguish what "force" is other than viewer approval. Writers cannot force a character to do anything or force anything upon a character. A tragic event is not being "forced" upon a previously pure and innocent character.
>Yeah I hear Bayonetta is actually a massive prude but because of some Mandela effect everyone just remembers her in a skin tight suit and making constant sex jokes.
Thank you for making my point. Hypothetical you getting mad at Bayonetta's nudity because you believe she's a prude, does not mean fanservice is being "forced" upon Bayonetta herself. She doesn't exist. The concept is being forced on you, which you are refusing to accept.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:15:56 2023 No.63440514 >>63440263 So why can't Bayonetta but clothes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:19:28 2023 No.63440873 The fact we're even having a serious discussing about this rather than just mocking this retard goes to show how far this site has fallen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:20:35 2023 No.63440994 >>63440873 Nier fans will use any excuse to argue about their games

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:21:49 2023 No.63441111 >>63440873 He’s certainly a retard and always will be. Most of this ‘discussion’ is cyclical reasoning anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:22:09 2023 No.63441146 >>63440873 I feel like I'm talking to Kathy Bates from Misery. "You can't just flash her panties, she's not that kind of character! You're forcing her to be a slut!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:27:18 2023 No.63441724 everyone above this post needs a fucking 3 day, holy shiet /vt/ only generals, no /#/ fucking WHEN

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:27:19 2023 No.63441726

>>63440416
>what makes friction for you does not necessarily make friction for someone else.
Retard learn to read. It's been mentioned multiple people can like or dislike something and you keep fighting it. >>63430832 >>63434881
>You haven't been able to meaningfully distinguish what "force" is other than viewer approval
Retard learn to read. It's been mentioned multiple times >>63440263 >>63427189
>>63428204
>>63429761
>>63434881
>Writers cannot force a character to do anything or force anything upon a character
Didn't you say earlier something like "characters can't choose because the writer writes them that way?" Interesting how that changed to the writers din du nuffin
>Hypothetical you getting mad at Bayonetta's nudity because you believe she's a prude
Putting camera angles on her ass or boobs would be. But a prude Bayonetta would be a wildly different game so hypotheticals make no sense.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:30:20 2023 No.63442068 >>63440263 2B doesn’t have the same sensibilities as a human to begin with so losing her skirt isn’t a big deal retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:31:22 2023 No.63442179 >>63441724 >hugbox baby I hate noombers but go advocate for /vtg/ if you love generals so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:31:58 2023 No.63442267 >>63442068 Literally no one said that retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:33:00 2023 No.63442397 >>63418822 These people literally want to cultivate this because Japan thinks it's okay compared to other social stigmas that have extreme differences

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:34:14 2023 No.63442505 >>63422992 >for empowerment always cringe a bit when I hear this shit, most of the overtly sexual people I know are into being degraded heavily, so it always makes me laugh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:36:37 2023 No.63442775 >>63442068 >fictional character designed to make teenage yellow boys cum has contrived reason to walk around in her underwear You don't say. 2B looks better with the skirt on, anyway. It accentuates her wide hips. Her granny panties are an eyesore.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:37:47 2023 No.63442888

>>63418822
Hololive isn't a group for preaching political viewpoints like nijisanji or vshojo is.
Keep the alphabet soup people mentions and mental illness about "muh fictional character consent" to your terminally online twitter/discord friend groups, thanks.
Like this >>63422992 shit is just embarrassing.
>>63423295
Nothing but "pay attention to me", it means absolutely nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:38:21 2023 No.63442945 >>63414142 good year approved

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:39:11 2023 No.63443015 >>63418602 the guy in question wasn't talking about loli's, he'd also consider this image you posted of ame to be akin to assault.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:39:35 2023 No.63443055 >>63419438 he literally didn't say that you fucking retarded pedophile

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:39:45 2023 No.63443069 The stream is pre-recorded lmao this is hilarious

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:40:23 2023 No.63443140 so Ruze is a retard with a retarded take that made no sense and should be kept on a leash in case he does or says something stupid like the dino guy >>63441724 why didn't you cried about that in the other Gura threads then? men are speaking here sis

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:40:33 2023 No.63443153 >>63442775 Be careful the retards itt will claim you hate fanservice for preferring the skirt on

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:42:14 2023 No.63443323 >>63419438 Very typical woke machine. These brainwashed NPCs make today's Disney films. All of them say the same things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:42:25 2023 No.63443350 >>63443055 He literally did right here >>63422992 projecting sister.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:48:14 2023 No.63443910 >>63422992 homostars continue to be a mistake

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:48:59 2023 No.63443987

>>63431445
HoloEN is over 3 years old and how many of the talents have done a watchalong of Senran Kagura or any other fanservice anime? They aren't going to deliver a Ruze style lecture because of the number of coomers in the EN fan base but they certainly agree with his opinions on fanservice and sexualization. Cover has financial reasons to limit any discussion of sexism on the Hololive side though obviously the guys operate under a different set of rules.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:50:25 2023 No.63444127 >>63443350 Read the last third of what he said It's extremely obvious what he means when you're not being obtuse

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:59:17 2023 No.63445108 >>63443910 Most of EN too, not just Holo/Cover either. >>63444127 >oof when the characters have no say (consent) in the sexualization that's a big yikeserino Thanks for playing dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:01:24 2023 No.63445323 >>63419438 >He said fictional characters can't consent This is true. All fictional characters cant consent. Every couple in fiction was raped by the author.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:03:37 2023 No.63445537

>>63441726
>Retard learn to read. It's been mentioned multiple people can like or dislike something and you keep fighting it.
Friction does not mean a writer is "forcing" something on a character, and neither does dislike. Because a writer cannot force a fictional concept to do anything.
>Didn't you say earlier something like "characters can't choose because the writer writes them that way?" Interesting how that changed to the writers din du nuffin
Characters can't choose because they possess no will. Also, that's me in only two of those replies.
>Putting camera angles on her ass or boobs would be. But a prude Bayonetta would be a wildly different game so hypotheticals make no sense.
And yet none of this would be giving a character "a say" because it doesn't exist. Your approximation is not "a say" on behalf of the character either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:10:29 2023 No.63446225 >>63432343 what a woman response lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:19:38 2023 No.63447238 >>63442775 >Her granny panties are an eyesore. Oh you REALLY haven’t actually played the game

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:19:56 2023 No.63447273 >>63431263 Fuwawa, Irys, Gura...the degenerate 3. Mori if she was being honest, obviously loves lolis too.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:20:17 2023 No.63447320

>>63445537
You said "what makes friction for you does not necessarily make friction for someone else" and I link two of my posted saying just that, yet you want to argue against it. No one said "friction is forcing"
>Characters can't choose because they possess no will
>Writers cannot force a character to do anything or force anything upon a character
Must be god doing it I guess.
>And yet none of this would be giving a character "a say" because it doesn't exist. Your approximation is not "a say" on behalf of the character either.
Correct, it would not be giving that character "a say" because it goes against how the character was written, assuming there's no context. This isn't rocket science.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:26:01 2023 No.63447945 >>63418822 But did you ask for consent?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:26:07 2023 No.63447955 This guys fucking retarded, if you agree with him so are you.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:29:04 2023 No.63448221

>>63447238
I played it more than I should've. Game was hot ass (pun not intended).
Speaking of which, 2B's ass is the most overrated thing in history. It's not even that big.
And the skirt actually catches your eye while you're playing, unlike the granny panties. You can't stare at her ass while trying to focus on the shitty combat mechanics.
https://youtu.be/Yrr6zhzcrwA?si=kw4QZ0YkMMnp7HSo

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:30:15 2023 No.63448319 >>63442775 So you admit the skirt blowing up has a reason. Therefore it’s valid and “good” fanservice. Glad we agree.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:31:43 2023 No.63448439

>>63443987
>but they certainly agree with his opinions on fanservice and sexualization
Stop fabricating your own version of reality to fit your argument you faggot. You don't actually know any of their actual opinions so stop acting like you do. They could just as easily not be wanting to talk about being into it because of potential backlash from anti's anything is possible.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:35:12 2023 No.63448731

>>63448319
Wrong anon, 'tard. The one you're looking for is me. I'm glad you admitted the "reason" her skirt blows up is for fanservice, As we've established, fanservice for the sake of fanservice is not, in fact, "valid and good." Better luck next time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:35:55 2023 No.63448791 >>63442775 >anti fanservice fags are so retarded they don't even know what a leotard is

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:38:08 2023 No.63448952
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>>63443987
>but they certainly agree with his opinions on fanservice and sexualization
Gura was lusting over this girl being in a bunnysuit
Fuwawa and Mococo have played some of the most fucked up eroge known to man
IRyS was lusting over Anzu
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:40:36 2023 No.63449118

>>63448731
The argument was never whether it’s fanservice or not, it was whether or not it is fanservice that’s justified and it is. Because it’s part of a game mechanic and there’s a precedent set for it with A2 being fucking naked and the entire story revolving around how androids and robots can’t perfectly replicate humans. Nice try though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:43:33 2023 No.63449320 >>63448731 Any fanservice is valid and good if the creator wants that fanservice its simply valid and good a random fucking nobody like you not liking it doesn't change that. It's prudish pricks like you that ruin anything and everything fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:45:45 2023 No.63449483 >>63448791 I don't pay attention to women's fashion, tranny. Keep digging your hole, faggot.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:47:00 2023 No.63449592

>>63449118
>The argument was never whether it’s fanservice or not, it was whether or not it is fanservice that’s justified
You just admitted the reason it exists is for coomers. The anon you confused me with outright said "fictional character designed to make teenage yellow boys cum has contrived reason to walk around in her underwear" which agreed is the reason. That is "unjustified fanservice." Oof. Maybe next time.
>>63449320
>a random fucking nobody like you not liking it doesn't change that
And why does a random nobody like you get to determine what is valid and good and how others should feel about it? I'm dying to know.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:47:05 2023 No.63449600
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>>63449320
Agreed.
>muh fanservice needs a reason
"games/anime/manga need to be art" faggots are the worst. Yeah, you don't need a "reason" to put anything into a piece of media. If you think something is cool or you like it that's just as "valid" as any other motive. Make a character's tits flash on screen if you want, make them flip the bird, make them say no-no words. Restricting creation is mad faggoty.
You can really tell losers like this go on MAL and plebbit and spout these platitudes 24/7/365 to try and impress other pseud subhumans. Their "logic" fails when you apply it to any other part of the media.
>Ermmm okay but did the character really need to have brown hair? Did they really need to say that? Did they really need to throw that punch? Did they really need to wake up at 6:30am?
It's just fucking silly and beyond autistic, transcendental assburgers. Shut the fuck up, retards.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:48:11 2023 No.63449697

>>63449592
>And why does a random nobody like you get to determine what is valid and good and how others should feel about it?
There's an incredible and magical reason why.
It's called being the target audience. Something you and your fugly ilk aren't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:49:05 2023 No.63449757 >>63449592 >can't even fucking read I didn't say I decide you fucking tard I said that the original creator does. If they want it in then its in simple as that.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:53:56 2023 No.63450092

>>63449697
>It's called being the target audience
Oh? Seems to me most anons here have no clue of the examples I've brought up. Some "target audience" I guess
>>63449757
>I didn't say I decide you fucking tard
Your buddy said the "target audience" gets to decide. You say the "creator" gets to decide. What an odd paradox. I'm pretty sure most creators think their creation is good. Unfortunately, reality often thinks otherwise.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:54:29 2023 No.63450121

>>63449600
>Restricting creation is mad faggoty.
I've never seen a single person argue that 2B's ass should be censored. Just that it's made to appeal to the lowest common denominator of human males: lonely, tranime-watching virgins.
The fact that you construed this as an attempt to "restrict creation" shows you're either very unintelligent, or coping so hard about being the lowest value male on the planet that you fabricated an imaginary scenario where you're the oppressed hero. Give it a rest, fag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:58:49 2023 No.63450415 >>63450121 >Ermmm n-no one is saying it should be censored It's thinly veiled concern trolling which by design seeks to change shit, spare me retard. >off topic alpha male ERP Go be gay on /trash/ with that shit instead, cringe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:00:06 2023 No.63450513 >>63414142 Wait, really? That's kinda funny. Still not watching Holostars EN and any associated clips.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:00:25 2023 No.63450545 >>63450121 >virgins Holy fuck, go back

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:01:56 2023 No.63450655 >>63450092 >reality often thinks otherwise Translation for normal people >Random twitter faggots think otherwise and think they're far more important than the actual target audience You going to hurry up with killing yourself?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:03:42 2023 No.63450798
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>>63450121
>I've never seen a single person argue that 2B's ass should be censored. Yeah just like NO ONE ever said any of these fanservice games shouldn't exist and paint them as the ultimate evil... Oh wait.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:05:39 2023 No.63450934

>>63450655
>Random twitter faggots think otherwise and think they're far more important than the actual target audience
Really is what it is. Same type of subhumans that change a character's info on a wiki and locks the page, and/or is quick to cry "death of the author" whenever anything doesn't agree with their personal analysis of a story.
Snobs that love sniffing their own farts to stroke their ego, basically. It shows in the way HE rights.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:05:57 2023 No.63450957 >>63450798 I fucking hate journalists, especially gaming ‘journalists’. Robbed countless experiences from the industry.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:05:58 2023 No.63450958

>>63450415
>It's thinly veiled concern trolling which by design seeks to change shit, spare me retard.
That's not concern trolling. Concern trolling is me telling you to take deep breaths and try to calm down because you're obviously very mad that I just outed you as a shit-brained cum monkey.
Thanks for confirming your low intelligence, I guess.
>off topic alpha male ERP
I said nothing about how much of a macho man I am. You getting defensive means you felt you were being talked about. Take a breather and try again when you're calmer, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:06:05 2023 No.63450972 >>63450798 Remember, these hypocrites shill BG3 precisely for the same reasons.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:06:22 2023 No.63451013

>>63450655
>Translation for normal people
Most creations end up failures, regardless of how much it's creator "decides" it's good.
>You going to hurry up with killing yourself?
If you can't handle the truth come and try it, faggot. Your kind already admitted in this very thread to not knowing most of the examples I mentioned, despite being on your side. If that makes them twitter faggots, then wouldn't that mean you...?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:07:02 2023 No.63451061 >>63450798 Are you going to link me someone advocating for censorship of 2B's ass next, or is this you having a melty?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:10:33 2023 No.63451352

>>63451013
Ah yes these ecchi series are such tremendous flops that they died off completely naturally and didn't AT ALL have any external pressures to get them removed/banned.
Why do your kind just lie and expect us to believe it as if it's the truth? You're retarded. That's it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:11:46 2023 No.63451441

>>63450798
>No one does that, if it does, it's a good thing, etc.
They always say it's not happening and then are the first to clap and be smug faggots when it happens.
Remember when they used to say?
>No one is coming for your anime titties!
And then are shouting praise from the rooftops when it happens? Just look at basically all new anime adaptations and how they censor nudity now.
Also all of these people worm their ways into localization companies which now have notable sway over the creative process, Nintendo for example lets them censor stuff at the source if they don't like it.
>>63450958
>more off topic babble followed by a discord buzzword
Fascinating.
>I didn't ERP as an alpha male
Holy shit, it literally can't remember what it did mere minutes ago. Guess that "lowest common denominator" line was projection.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:13:21 2023 No.63451574

>>63449483
>Le tranny
Lol projection
>>63449600
Pretty much. Why the fuck do we have to come up with a justification for literally fucking everything now? What the fuck happened to people just not consuming shit that they don't like. Seriously if you don't like a certain thing in a piece of media enough to turn you off that much THEN DON'T FUCKING CONSUME IT. Why the fuck do people who do like that stuff have to lose out just because some random fucking crybabies came in and acted like their worries now matter.
>>63450092
>other guy has a different opinion
Yeah its almost like we're not the same person or something. I'm a firm believer that the og creators input matters most if they want fanservice ok nice I like that. If they don't want fanservice that's fine too I like tons of stuff that has 0 fanservice in it if they however removed fanservice from where it once was that's something I dislike and while I respect the creators decision I will just simply not consume that product anymore.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:13:35 2023 No.63451596

>>63450957
They deserve the rope for many reasons, their love of censorship, their ignoring of actual crimes within the industry
>CORE VALUES = All the journos celebrating the poor little EVO man owning The Gamers tm
>EVO man getting exposed as taking naked pictures of 11 year old boys = silence
They all deserve to be violently slaughtered in the most Geneva Convention breaking way possible.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:14:02 2023 No.63451642

>>63450798
Oh and because I didn't realize this retard was trying to talk to me, because he couldn't figure out green text while seething,
>Yeah just like NO ONE ever said any of these fanservice games shouldn't exist
Learn what censorship is, dipshit. I am free to say that cuck porn is a cultural blight that shouldn't exist. I'm not free to stop cucks from cucking.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:15:55 2023 No.63451806

>>63451574
>Why the fuck do we have to come up with a justification for literally fucking everything now?
Hey now Anon, that's not true. Gore, torture, misery porn, bestiality, troon shit and faggotry all don't need any justifications at all. Only things that are sexually appealing to straight men need that.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:16:05 2023 No.63451817

>>63451441
>wall of text about how people make fun of him for being a tranime loving faggot
No one cares, faggot. You'll die at 36 from heart failure, you'll never find true love, and you'll never be happy. I'll think it's funny, though.
>Holy shit, it literally can't remember what it did mere minutes ago. Guess that "lowest common denominator" line was projection.
Now type it without crying.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:18:56 2023 No.63452083

>>63451574
>Pretty much. Why the fuck do we have to come up with a justification for literally fucking everything now?
Notice how this behavior is "strangely" absent from any faggot fanservice scenes. But we all know "manservice" is met with universal, unending praise, so it's not that surprising.
But yeah, you don't catch me watching something like Attack on Titan going
>Ermmm did those people really need to die?
It's just whiny, annoying faggotry.
>>63451817
>NOOO HOW DARE PEOPLE DISCUSS THINGS AT LENGHT, THEY SHOULD ALL JUST SPAM BUZZWORDS AND DERAIL LIKE ME
Zoomer, autistic and a tourist, there's no future for you little bro.
>spams more tourist buzzwords
Not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:20:24 2023 No.63452215 >>63452083 >more monkey rambling We get it, faggot. I said less crying, not more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:20:49 2023 No.63452248 >>63426487 Any federal poster on here already has your IP address even if you're running a proxy but interesting to see how your group finds newer ways to deflect the Facts

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:23:05 2023 No.63452428

>>63451817
>muh ‘tranime’
The only time I’ve seen this used is by /pol/lacks, /gif/ in its endless faggot war, or when /sp/ gets uppity. There’s never any substance to it, either, just vapor in an attempt to push someone away from a hobby (which women and fags have done for years). Even if all loony troons died tomorrow, it’d still be used. Once again, go back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:23:24 2023 No.63452451 >complain about buzzwords >proceeds spouts a conga line of buzzwords

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:23:40 2023 No.63452468 >>63452215 >more derailing Mind? Broken. Fanservice is fine, cope tourist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:25:47 2023 No.63452624 >>63426487 You live on the internet and don't interact with society. You're probably very young and sheltered, or your parents failed at raising you. I can assure you that men in the real world find loli porn revolting.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:26:05 2023 No.63452649

>>63451352
>Most creations end up failures
>B-b-but w-what about t-these! C-checkmate!
For every one you name, there are dozens that fail. For someone who knows a lot about lying, you'd think you would know how the real world is. Maybe after highschool?
>>63451574
>Yeah its almost like we're not the same person or something
Oh no, that wasn't the point I was getting at. I just think it's funny how two people on the same side can have completely different answers to the same question. Both being wrong is just icing on the cake.
>If they don't want fanservice that's fine too I like tons of stuff that has 0 fanservice in it
WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UP. I was told you must want fanservice in everything at every moment or else you hate all fanservice. There's nuance to this?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:29:15 2023 No.63452900 >>63452428 >>63452468 >more crying Pull it together, faggot. You'll have all the tranime tits you want between now and when you die, alone and miserable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:29:23 2023 No.63452905 You just responded to a 6 and a half hour old post my guy

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:29:40 2023 No.63452922 >>63452624 The far left love gaslighting and projecting pedophilia onto their targets while the far right joke about how you and your grandmother were on the Epstein List >laughtrack.mp4

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:30:43 2023 No.63453011

>>63452248
>the facts
The fact is that there's a giant ass list compiling all the people who said loli is pedophilia having been later revealed to have either solicitated/groomed a minor or have possessed cp. There isn't however a giant list showing all the lolicons who were caught doing those same things. Its funny cause you fucking dipshits like to act like its a constant if it were it'd be so easy to prove wouldn't it? So where is that list of lolicons commiting actual crimes? All you've got is Thad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:31:51 2023 No.63453096 >>63452900 >no argument Wew lad, you’ll grow up one day, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:32:27 2023 No.63453128 >>63452922 I didn't say shit about left and right, retard. Actual men, the kind who can skin a buck and replace a transmission, think your tranime kiddie porn is revolting. How you cope about that fact is your business. I really don't care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:33:35 2023 No.63453225 >>63453096 >>63452900

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:33:56 2023 No.63453255 >>63453128 They'll all be dead in like 20 years who cares lmao silly boomer

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:35:22 2023 No.63453378 >>63453225 >still no argument I could probably wait 50 years and you’d still provide nothing to this conversation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:35:45 2023 No.63453411 File: 111 KB, 850x601, 1673710562110300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine breaking down into hysterics over people defending creative integrity KWAB

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:36:39 2023 No.63453490 >>63453255 And just like that, you admitted that you're a soft faggot who's probably never even fired a gun or rented a bulldozer for a weekend. Tell me more about how your tranime baby porn is based, little "man."

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:37:04 2023 No.63453522 >>63453490 wouldn't you like to know little glownigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:37:18 2023 No.63453542 >>63453128 >Actual men, the kind who can skin a buck and replace a transmission would openly side with me Implying they wouldn't take one look at your malformed visage and break out into laughter.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:37:39 2023 No.63453572

>>63453490
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:37:44 2023 No.63453578 >>63453411 >defending creative integrity Interesting way of admitting you enjoy watching cuck porn. How long have you been a faggot?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:38:29 2023 No.63453616 >>63452649 >WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UP. I was told you must want fanservice in everything at every moment or else you hate all fanservice. There's nuance to this?! Are you implying I said that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:38:47 2023 No.63453641 >>63453572 The fact that you think a basic action like firing a weapon or operating heavy machinery is akin to the Navy Seal pasta means you lost. Hard. You're not a man, and you never will be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:40:32 2023 No.63453762 >>63453378 >>63452900

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:40:35 2023 No.63453764 >>63453641 >he says, on 4thchannel

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:40:47 2023 No.63453779

>>63453490
>Have fired a gun(Bolt-action rifle)
>Have rented a bulldozer to do yard work
>Can do basic electrician, plumbing, mechanic and construction work
>Love ecchi, fanservice and lolis
And there go your crazed delusions. Right out the window. You should follow and join them

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:41:32 2023 No.63453840

>>63453490
>>63453641
Not any of the anons you replied to but bro you're acting like a tough guy cause you "rented a bulldozer for a weekend" like my man you're on fucking /vt/ in a loli discussion thread what are you on about? The navy seal pasta is totally applicable to you.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:41:43 2023 No.63453855

>>63453616
It's actually how this entire discussion started. Anons were mindbroken at the concept of people NOT wanting non-stop fanservice they somehow twisted it into "no fanservice for anyone ever under any circumstance." Saying "people can want different things" is a controversial take for snowflakes

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:43:06 2023 No.63453960 >>63453840 I never said I was tough. I said that you're not a man. You're desperately trying to out me as a hypocrite because you are insecure about being a tranime loving faggot. I feel sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:43:48 2023 No.63454004 File: 133 KB, 600x450, 8975dde60cf7805a2a9934e9884bae1a.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wew, this thread reeks of guilty conscience doesn't it? what sayeth' you fellow glow in the darks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:44:13 2023 No.63454041 >>63453779 The fact that you consider any of this worth bragging about is telling. You're a living failure, aren't you? Is that why you were drawn to tranime baby porn?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:44:58 2023 No.63454089

>>63453855
NTA, but you’re being rather disingenuous about that. He’d have been free to enjoy what he liked without incident, but the retard put it to the forefront by bringing it up on stream. After that, it’s fair game. What ever happened to
>never reveal your power level

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:45:04 2023 No.63454102

>>63453855
>Anons were mindbroken at the concept of people NOT wanting non-stop fanservice
And once again the twittertranny exaggerates to paint his opponents as less reasonable than he has been the whole time ITT. Even going so far as to get BTFO by lore autists and STILL won't admit he was wrong and retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:45:52 2023 No.63454167 >>63454102 You sound angry, faggot. Did you just lose an argument?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:46:09 2023 No.63454198 >>63453960 >I said that you're not a man >You're not a man and I am because you.... don't rent bulldozers I mean ok dude. Definitely not tough talk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:47:44 2023 No.63454325 >>63453960 Blud you are on a tranime girl larp avatar live streamer forum what are you on about

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:47:46 2023 No.63454333 >>63453960 >>63454041 Listening to fags (KWAB) pontificate about how to be a man hasn’t worked in the past, and likewise won’t work now. Sorry your uncle raped or whatever but that’s not my problem, nor is it any other anon’s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:47:49 2023 No.63454334 >>63454198 Point to where I said I'm a man because I rent bulldozers. Let's see the power of your brain on tranime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:48:52 2023 No.63454405 why this thread have 350 post. sry for bad english i am american.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:49:31 2023 No.63454445 >>63454333 everyone knows you have to buy a bulldozer to be a man, imagine being a rentoid lmao

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:50:03 2023 No.63454481

>>63454041
>Talks about what makes a real man and projects how said men would 100% agree with him no questions asked
>Anon proves him wrong
>HURR YOU THINK THIS IS WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT
You're the one trying to brag about others totally being on your side. Not my fault the only thing you have going for you is projecting yourself onto others
Maybe try getting your hands dirty for once in your life.
It's good for you.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:50:09 2023 No.63454489

>>63454089
>bringing it up on stream
He answered a simple question without dictating what others should think. If you assume someone thinks you're wrong for liking something they don't like, that's on you.
>And once again the twittertranny exaggerates to paint his opponents as less reasonable than he has been the whole time ITT
Uh oh, anon looks like you got caught lying >>63434881 >>63430832 you've got a cope for this right? Wouldn't want you to admit you're wrong and retarded like the lore autists, would we?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:50:10 2023 No.63454491 >>63454333 I didn't say anything about how to be a man. I said tranime porn appeals to the lowest value, least intelligent men on Earth, and you haven't stopped seething for an hour. You're very angry, and it's very amusing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:51:11 2023 No.63454579 >>63454102 >>63454489

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:51:19 2023 No.63454591
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It's always hyperbole.
>UGH, the fucking fanservice... OOOOOooOHOhh the fanservice in this thing! LICHERULLY shoving tits and ass in my face! Oh, and Serious Scenes™, did I mention Serious Scenes™?! That fucking fanservice always happens during Serious Scenes™! Oof the Whiplash™, yikes!!!
And then it turns out they can NEVER produce any examples of this happening anywhere, because when they do it shows how ridiculous and exaggerative their claims are.
They act like everything is fucking To Love Ru at random or something kek
If only I could live so rent free in the minds of tourists as Japanese cartoon tits do, their power is truly immeasurable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:52:13 2023 No.63454655 >>63454591 Now say it without crying, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:52:48 2023 No.63454697 >>63454591 >they can NEVER produce any examples of this happening anywhere Thankfully that didn't happen in this thread since there were several examples

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:52:53 2023 No.63454707

>>63454334
>The fact that you think a basic action like firing a weapon or operating heavy machinery is akin to the Navy Seal pasta means you lost. Hard.
You're not a man, and you never will be.
>I never said I was tough. I said that you're not a man.
You're implying that others are not men for not doing those things by extension you're saying you are one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:53:18 2023 No.63454736 >>63454405 idk we were talking about Ruze being a tard and now there is people calling eachother manlet for some reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:53:21 2023 No.63454743 >>63454491 yeah high status top G tate'd up genius rizzlords like yourself only watch gay porn, tranime porn with tits? no thanks.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:54:05 2023 No.63454793
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>>63454591
No you don't get it Anon. THIS 20 YEAR OLD COLLEGE STUDENT REMINDS ME OF A BABY AND SEEING HER BE SEXUALIZED MAKES ME THINK OF SEXUALIZING A BABY.
Pic-related: The 20 year old college student in question

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:54:25 2023 No.63454816 >>63454736 I want to believe so hard it's Ruze behind all the tough guy posts, shit's funny as hell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:54:51 2023 No.63454845 >>63454707 >trying to ironic echo at me You're absolutely seething. >mental gymnastics to put words in my mouth Looks like you're very unintelligent after all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:55:44 2023 No.63454915 >>63454816 I’d buy that. It’s either just /FAGS/ acting uppity ot it’s actually him throwing a shitfit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:55:52 2023 No.63454927 >>63454793 Think of the poor fictional character though, did she consent to having fat fucking titties, huh chudcel?! LOL Insanity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:56:15 2023 No.63454961 >>63454743 I don't know what half these buzzwords mean. You seem very upset.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:57:00 2023 No.63455004 >>63454961 fr don't worry about it cuh

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:57:02 2023 No.63455006 File: 155 KB, 454x425, 1687024424940817.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >there were several examples Yeah, like _____ and _____

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:57:15 2023 No.63455019 >>63454793 Why did you post an ugly chinese cartoon character no one cares about or is talking about? Have you been mind broken?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:59:21 2023 No.63455145 >>63454845 It's not mental gymnastics and I'm not putting words in your mouth it's literally what you're implying. You can't just imply those things and then pretend like you weren't implying those things. >>63453960 >>63453641

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 03:59:32 2023 No.63455154 >he hates anime on 4chan of all places

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:00:19 2023 No.63455199 >>63455154 >On 4chan On /vt/ a board made for the discussion of women using ANIME avatars The fuck did this retard come from? Sure as hell wasn't here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:00:24 2023 No.63455209 File: 190 KB, 889x610, 1683333906907402.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >doesn't read >why can't I find examples? Can't imagine why

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:00:30 2023 No.63455217 >>63455154 he doesn't hate anime, he just hates anime girls because he's gay and only likes anime boys

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:02:02 2023 No.63455313 >>63455145 >y-you implied it! I accept your concession. Take deep breaths and accept that you lost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:02:56 2023 No.63455360 File: 521 KB, 788x739, 1683601710741157.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ai-chan loves fanservice by the way, but I wouldn't expect a tourist to know that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:03:08 2023 No.63455373 >>63453855 I'm assuming those guys had the same mentality I do in the sense that if you don't like it then don't consume it and that it shouldn't have to change just because you personally don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:04:47 2023 No.63455476 File: 356 KB, 1438x1634, 1683236265008745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >like fanservice or you're a tourist!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:06:17 2023 No.63455578 >>63455373 People are allowed to voice displeasure. Someone not liking something doesn't mean you can't like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:06:17 2023 No.63455579 Okay are there two people playing the little faggot game where you don't quote people for some reason or is it just one tard spamming?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:06:28 2023 No.63455593 >>63455313 Is that seriously the only response you have? But you might be right I only lose trying to argue with someone like you. It's impossible to win against stupid after all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:06:36 2023 No.63455602 >>63455476 >posting Flare >the giga lolicon who in her first con appearance talking about Myth said "I LOVE LOLI" nice and loudly >The giga lolicon that loves to talk about lolis and how much she loves them Not your brightest move

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:07:37 2023 No.63455686 File: 191 KB, 445x388, 1687627689537302.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>63455602 >you posted her picture so you HAVE to like lolis! No

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:07:41 2023 No.63455688
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No one said anything about liking fanservice being a requirement or anything, but your word choice and rhetoric exposes your touristry.
Try again without strawmanning, sister.
>>63455602
Damnit anon, I was enjoying the irony!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:09:31 2023 No.63455813 >>63455593 Seething and humiliated. What an L. At least you have your tranime baby porn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:10:42 2023 No.63455893 >>63455813 like your rented (lol) bulldozer porn is any better

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:10:47 2023 No.63455905
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>no one said anything about liking fanservices being a requirement or anything
>besides the posts talking about liking fanservice being a requirement for not being a tourist
kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:11:42 2023 No.63455967 File: 190 KB, 497x342, 1677332721464085.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >besides [post that literally does not exist]

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:11:50 2023 No.63455974 >>63455578 I'm not saying you can't do that but it's like what's the point? If you know it's not gonna change the things you don't like about it you're just wasting time that you could spend on stuff you do like instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:11:57 2023 No.63455985 >>63455893 Keep going, baby fucker. You'll definitely get the last word this time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:12:23 2023 No.63456007 >>63455985 im not that guy i just wanted to chime in with a sick zinger

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:12:52 2023 No.63456030 Why do you all care so much about a homostar's opinion? Why are you watching them in the first place retards. I thought it was pretty clear after the Altare's HP drama that they are not worth of any attention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:13:20 2023 No.63456071 File: 242 KB, 564x444, 1683758223510084.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >literally a scroll away >I-IT DOESN'T EXIST

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:14:45 2023 No.63456203 >>63456007 It's always fun to make a tranime loving faggot meltdown in real time. Especially one who's extremely unintelligent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:15:20 2023 No.63456245 >>63456203 uh ok dude kinda weird but you do you

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:15:23 2023 No.63456251

>>63456030
It'd be for the best for the medium if people like this were thrust out of it, unironically. Just look at the complete nutjob in this thread, rhetoric like the homo in question displayed only invites division and tourists like him.
It's literally only a net positive, good for the medium, good for the quality of discussion on this board. It's irrefutable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:15:23 2023 No.63456252 >>63456203 Bro the only one who seems to be melting down here is you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:16:20 2023 No.63456326 >>63455974 For starters someone asked, Ruze answered. Also did you forget the board you're on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:16:24 2023 No.63456332 File: 544 KB, 1164x1093, 1676157010209307.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >can't point exactly to this thing that apparently exists

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:17:21 2023 No.63456388 >>63456252 Not even close. I'm euphoric. These things aren't human. They exist to be brutally humiliated. They are failures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:17:53 2023 No.63456418 File: 3.24 MB, 3840x2160, 1687869075464980.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >spoonfeed me my post! scroll

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:18:09 2023 No.63456442 We watch holostars now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:18:17 2023 No.63456454 File: 187 KB, 1280x1080, 1474745980990.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >haha green text with an image

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:19:28 2023 No.63456530 >>63456388 >euphoric holy holy shit dude it's fuckin aalewis in the (virtual) flesh, he fuckin lived

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:19:35 2023 No.63456538 [SPOILER]

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>thinks he is "humiliating" anyone after falling deep into despair and severe asspain over people defending creative integrity
lmfao
Also
>can't even quote the supposed post in question, because it doesn't exist
KWAB!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:19:47 2023 No.63456556 >>63414142 >Anti loli No >Anti chumpedo Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:20:42 2023 No.63456612 >>63456388 Dude you need to chill out. Also can you get your bulldozer gf to hook me up with one of her tractor tomboy friends? Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:21:26 2023 No.63456666 File: 1.24 MB, 1440x640, 1691663628862230.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I made the claim so you have to provide proof!

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:21:59 2023 No.63456696

>>63456251
It's fine since none of the sisters who watch them, the whole 1k or so of them, will ever watch the girls so who cares.
>It's literally only a net positive, good for the medium
Take into consideration that this medium is already infested because of nijiniggers males and twitch mansluts and sjw whores, Homostars have little to no influence on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:22:53 2023 No.63456753 >>63456332 >>63454591 >If only I could live so rent free in the minds of tourists as Japanese cartoon tits do, their power is truly immeasurable. Are you going to get angry now and have another melty?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:23:03 2023 No.63456772

>>63448439
When not a single HoloEN talent has done a fanservice anime watchalong for over 3 years that does indicate how they feel. Their are EN members that have vaguely talked about problematic elements in anime and have gotten annoyed at fanservice in the anime they do watch. Ruze can give his feminist opinions because his fan base is mostly women while their are financial reasons for HoloEN to avoid saying anything that pisses off the coomers in their fan base.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:24:22 2023 No.63456862 >>63456530 >>63456538 >>63456612 Now say it without crying, faggot.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:24:26 2023 No.63456865

>>63456696
>It's fine since none of the sisters who watch them, the whole 1k or so of them, will ever watch the girls so who cares.
But they're still in the overarching discussion of the medium, which is bad.
And we can totally have at least some damage control, bending over and accepting the AIDS isn't good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:24:41 2023 No.63456880 >>63456772 Biboo did a meguca movie watchalong with naked little anime lolis >>63456862 it without crying, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:25:27 2023 No.63456927 File: 51 KB, 601x602, 1673918096937498.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >shitposting derailing bot looped back to projecting about assmad now kek like I thought, another thing you just made up

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:25:49 2023 No.63456948 >>63456538 >creative integrity Pretending you're a man is certainly creative, though I wouldn't call it honest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:26:50 2023 No.63457005 >>63456880 >>63456927 >indecipherable monkey gibberish >laughter.jpg absolutely seething

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:26:53 2023 No.63457010 File: 561 KB, 833x1000, 1688700051977141.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >clearly everyone else is mad except me

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:27:20 2023 No.63457045 >>63457005 *bulldozer gibberish

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:27:58 2023 No.63457087 File: 2.40 MB, 454x498, 1687398914619001.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fanservice doesn't need a reason nor does it need any nonexistent consent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:28:14 2023 No.63457104 >>63457010 The tranime lover certainly outed itself early with the walls of text and ALL CAPS. The spiral into mindbroken fury over its tranime baby porn being mocked is the icing on the cake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:29:11 2023 No.63457170 File: 77 KB, 256x223, 1685629997937017.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You don't have to like all fanservice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:29:47 2023 No.63457204 are you guys done? do you need us to leave you two alone or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:30:59 2023 No.63457278 >>63457087 Neither does blacked porn or your father fucking your mother one room over while you watch tranime. What's your point, little "man"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:31:16 2023 No.63457290 What happened to this thread? It was a lot better when the guy was trying to explain why Bayonetta had very serious and real reasons for getting naked

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:31:37 2023 No.63457317 >>63457290 Mr tough guy with a bulldozer fetish showed up

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:32:35 2023 No.63457388 >>63457290 Tourist sister here entered full bootyblasted mode and started copypasting his posts off cooldown and spamming buzzwords because people made fun of ironic weeb faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:32:37 2023 No.63457393 >>63457290 He got mind-broken at some point and is now going on a full meltdown.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:33:06 2023 No.63457427 >>63457317 mindbroken

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:33:59 2023 No.63457480 >>63457104 Pretty sure they're talking about you bulldozer bob.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:34:51 2023 No.63457540 >>63457388 What the fuck is an "ironic weeb," faggot? No one pretends to like tranime. It's the most humiliating, emasculating pastime of low value men there is. Or were you just typing nonsense because you're angry?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:34:56 2023 No.63457545 >>63457290 idk man i think both of them have some kind of fetish and are enjoying talking shit to eachother

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:34:58 2023 No.63457547 >>63457290 He stopped responding to me. I guess he realized he's retarded after I showed my older posts agreeing with his "point" that he still argued against

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:36:30 2023 No.63457652

>>63457278
>Neither does blacked porn or your father fucking your mother
>tranime

NTA but like clock work, the chuds that throw the word tranime around always end up projecting there fetishes on others. just needs to ol tranny basedjaks posts as a come back to top it off lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:37:05 2023 No.63457689 >>63457480 That reminds me, did you know they give baby fuckers like you a forehead stamp in prison? Yes, even for your tranime baby porn. Do you think mommy knows she raised you to be a baby fucker?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:37:13 2023 No.63457697 >>63457652 i wish jaks weren't bannable here, I'd love to soiduel any one of you fine folk

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:38:45 2023 No.63457811 >>63457652 >gets his intellectual argument destroyed by an analogy >"p-projection" You really love blacked porn, don't you, faggot? Do you touch your grubby little shit dick when daddy rapes mommy in the next room over?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:38:46 2023 No.63457812 >>63457697 bro how can you type that out and not cringe at yourself? holy fuck. has some self awareness

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:38:53 2023 No.63457817 File: 123 KB, 507x369, 1692970302352050.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"fanservice doesn't need a reason" >"STOP TELLING ME I HAVE TO ACCEPT ANY AND ALL FANSERVICE"

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:39:53 2023 No.63457876 >>63457689 Do they have a stamp for people that molest underage bulldozers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:39:55 2023 No.63457879 >>63457812 cause it's funny

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:40:04 2023 No.63457889 File: 97 KB, 286x277, 1687190765616482.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >things that never happened

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:40:55 2023 No.63457939 >>63457876 crickets.mp3

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:42:22 2023 No.63458047 File: 45 KB, 540x518, 1687280746431973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"d-didn't happen" >"You don't have to like all fanservice." (in reference to God knows what post)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:43:38 2023 No.63458143 File: 214 KB, 1024x605, 1687868925415350.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >called out >W-well actually what was said was something completely different

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:44:51 2023 No.63458221 You're getting spitroasted, faggot. I know it turns you on, but try not to cry so it's less awkward.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:46:33 2023 No.63458326 File: 421 KB, 826x843, 1681656489586315.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >quoted verbatim >"D-DOESN'T COUNT" KWAB! >leaks thoughts about faggots getting spitroasted I'll kindly ask you once more to take the off topic gay ERP to /trash/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:48:02 2023 No.63458400 File: 153 KB, 354x347, 1685856772341076.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >quote verbatim >scroll up >nothing >control F >1 result Ahh, victory...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:48:12 2023 No.63458406 >>63458326 Did you feel drawn to tranime because you weren't a man?

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:51:21 2023 No.63458626
File: 144 KB, 1600x1600, 1672300126849835.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>could ctrl+F what I wrote and get a result
>can't ctrl+F what he supposedly acts like exists, but won't tell anyone, but it totally exists bro
>more off topic discord buzzword spam
KWAB!
Anyway this is my lost post in the thread and I'll be closing it, know that I won't be reading any more of your mentally ill subhuman posts, tourist sister ;)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:51:40 2023 No.63458645 File: 786 KB, 967x942, 1685583134101427.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >d-doesn't count

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:52:04 2023 No.63458673 Fanservice doesn't need a reason to exist other than because the creator felt like it

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