/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I unirocnially miss the old kino days where atleast in the En community, there was a two company race between Hololive En and Nijisanji En.
It was Kino to see Vox's manwhore posts, Luxiem v/s CouncilRyS wars, the Sana-Fulgur love story, the never ending IRyS v/s Enna singing debates, the constant superchat and CCV shitposts, the bot arc, etc

Now sadly, Vshojo has replaced Nijisanji and oh my god, I don't care about any of their members like holy fuck, they are literallyso boring. Atleast Nijisanji and Hololive members had their own personality, the Vshojo members like their chat seem like a huge circle jerk. And especially the Iron Mouse nigger, like holy shit, he isn't even funny at all.
Take me back to 2022 bros.......

[Anonymous No.]

EN ruined vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

It was perfect.
PRRFECT.
Everything to the last minutes.
But sadly, the contaminate breakers exist. They ruined the fun. Post August of 2022, you can make it that people were intentionally making shitposts to get screen capped and get added to vids and screenshots on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

Least mentally ill dramashitter

[Anonymous No.]

The mousey fag likes Myth though. He only has problem with Promise members mainly IRyS, Fauna and Mumei and Shiori as Shiori was the first En vtubrler but the mousey kek can't accept that

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
fairly apt get

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
NTA, but who does like Drama?
Everyone likes drama until it's not you or your oshi who have been involved. It's fun to laugh at silly things

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Based get, fuck those dramashitter numberfags, it was fun but the reason why it got so shit, it was because it was meant to be fun shitposting, but people started taking seriously, and it was fucking quick, which really speaks how shit it was to begin with.

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>>63300000
get of truth

[Anonymous No.]

SEA containment breakers making dogshit videos inviting more containment breakers who ruined the board/hobby and took everything too seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Hey fuck you, it was fun that the En fags were shitposting so hard. Sadly, SEA happened. Indogs and Pag Pag fags ruined it all for me>>63300000

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
BASED GET

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300276
SEAs literally ruined vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>>63300276
>>63300409
you mean, there was a time when this place wasn't a shithole? i only became a schizo this year, it was already a shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300045
>Shiori was the first En vtubrler
no she wasn't but she's an og though total respect to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>wishes things go back as they werewith just holo and niji before IronMouse
>IronMouse exists before Holo and Niji
el newfago

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive ID ruined vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
I felt the same way about Nijisanji when Luxium debuted as you feel about Vshojo now. I'm glad you are feeling the same kind of cringe that I felt browsing /vt/ for the past 2 years, you fucking catalog-shitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300551
It’s a fun shithole most the time, just as it has always been across the site. There are lulls where it gets less fun because of shitposting turning into concerted efforts for relevancy. /vt/ has a weird place in the chuuba sphere, considering it’s a not-so-wellkept secret that most EN speaking chuubas are /here/ or have been, making it a firestorm.

>>63300744
I presume he’s saying the period before Vshojo “took” the second position in the Big Three of EN over NijiEN, not chronologically to their own histories in the sphere.

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>>63300906
this board basically being /eceleb/ with waifus puts it in a weird spot

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>>63299766
I miss the days when EN shits didn't exist. Funny how perspective works eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
I started watching indies and they're far more entertaining, assuming you watch the good ones and not the low effort shitty ones that just happened to get popular. I watch ONE corporate vtuber and she's in hololive but other than that I've been just watching indies. The corporate side just feels very boring and kinda done, no new stuff, no innovation, no cool or fun ideas for streams. The communities are also stagnant as hell. Everything is so sterile.

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>>63300166
>NTA, but who does like Drama?
where do you think you are retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
NijiEN literally only matters for raspberry tally nowadays and its kinda sad

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't it because niji and holo share the same platform hence easier collabs and it overall feels "closer" compared to vshojo who is on an entirely different platform?

There's also nijis that switched over to vshojo which makes it more awkward between niji-vshojo especially with how extreme tribalfagging has gotten on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300744
COVER, March 2017
Tokino Sora September 7, 2017
Ironlung debut on small platform august 4, 2017
Ironlung twitch account september 28, 2017
Ironlung youtube account september 29. 2017
Ironlung did not consider herself a "real" VTuber until 2020.
Nijisanji February 8, 2018.
>IronMouse exists before Holo and Niji
Niji yes, Holo kind of? depend on which start point you cherrypick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Checked and based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63301263
She didn't know the term vtuber could be applied to anyone but kizuna ai for years so she never considered herself one til many years later. She thought it was exclusively hers. She thought she was just some person on the internet using an anime avatar until she saw more people using the term.

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>>63301263
>Huge wall of text just to agree with anon

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>>63301263
august comes before september you dumb brown nigger

[Anonymous No.]

Please improve the quality of the raids and the shitposting, these people need good material to get views, they have mouths to feed you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Based

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>>63299766
Anon, 2022 was the only competitive year, Hololive has otherwise been dominant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
Blame Niji self immolating.
>Vshojo has replaced Nijisanji
Pretty sure they haven't. Their top member ironmouse tried to stream on youtube and couldn't even hit 3k iirc, they're pretty much just propped up by the indies kissing their ass for no reason, they're not popular at all. Honestly they might be less popular than Niji. I know some anons think of them as the "big three" or something, but there really isn't a big three, maybe there used to me. Now it's just Hololive, neither Niji or vshojo can even remotely compete with them, they're nobodies at this point.

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>>63299766
Brown hands typed this post. Rangeban SEA

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300744
that's like saying Nyanner exists before them, sure but they are not Vtuber they don't have their own model and before you start coping, no, that's not Ironmouse model that's Tohoku Kiritan and you are a twitch newfag don't even pretend you watch or even know Ironmouse on 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>It was Kino to see Vox's manwhore posts
I'm sorry you're gay anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>63306377
>ESL gibberish
F5

[Anonymous No.]

>>63307019
i accept your concession, newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Destroyed by quint dubs get fucked OP
And add underaged fuckwit to the list of things that he must be

[Anonymous No.]

You’ve gotten older, the vtubers have gotten older, you’re tired, they’re tired, the novelty has worn off, the entire scene is losing energy and exhausted, the new blood isn’t coming because the young ones have moved on to the next hot trend, covid lockdowns are a distant memory, inflation is up and the economy is struggling and you have less money. It’s ending. Last one out turn off the lights and lock the door.

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>>63302702
There's one factor you're missing here and that's that Hololive also fell off massively, with top talents not streaming and the ones that do being way down from their peak pandemic performance. Niji and increasingly VShojo are still relevant because everyone is down, both in numbers and quality.
>ironmouse tried to stream on youtube
Have you seen what Holos get when they stream on Twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
We must move on. The future of vtubing is bright, we are going to have tons more mini corpos fighting for scraps, drama is going to kill big corpos since there is always an alternative vtuber to watch.

Just like how old establishment media is being raped by alternative media. We are witnessing a new age. The vtuber arms race has begun.

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>>63300000
holy checked

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>>63300000

[Anonymous No.]

>>63301263
>depend on which start point you cherrypick.
Why would you pick any other "start point" than the first one you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>63306377
>that's not Ironmouse model that's Tohoku Kiritan
It is still very common for new vtubers to use free models or cheap Booth models while raising funds to commission an original

Mouse using a Kiritan FaceRig model does not somehow preclude her from being a vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>63301216
Tribalism is good if you're a holofan. If you're a nijifan, I'll find you and I'll kill you

[Anonymous No.]

>>63321758
>It is still very common
Why are you lying ? No other vtuber from that era use other character as their model

[Anonymous No.]

>>63322993
>No other vtuber from that era
From that era? Like who?? She was on the ground floor, there was virtually nobody else AT ALL
Not in the Western scene at any rate, and sure as hell nobody with the resources that JP vtubers had due to no existent corporate involvement.
The closest you got to original-character vtubers in 2017 was VRChat streamers, and even then original models were not terribly common
If you're looking for 2D vtubers, I doubt you'll find a single one.

Also, I said STILL
As in, what Mouse did back then, people still do now, here's a very popular one as an example
https://twitter.com/sakurai_mon/status/1679830146923270149
Because vtubing is expensive and usually people don't have an extra $1000+ laying around to drop on a model

Mouse using the Kiritan model is not somehow a different person, it's still Mouse. She started in 2017, end of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63323674
>sure as hell nobody with the resources that JP vtubers had due to no existent corporate involvement.
NTA but I'd say no, Kizuna AI was literally a good stablish point she literally created the term virtual youtuber, I.M didn't even fucking wanted to do content creation she just wanted to talk to people because she was just fucking ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63323674
No other vtuber from that era have the same condition as Ironmouse which means she doesn't qualify to be called vtuber at that time, just like Nyanner isn't a vtuber until she got her own model, Ironmouse doesn't make the rule, she isn't Kizuna Ai who coined the term Vtuber nor she has any relevancy at early vtubing like other Vtuber pioneers

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>>63325789
>No other vtuber from that era have the same condition as Ironmouse which means she doesn't qualify to be called vtuber at that time
What in the fuck are you talking about
>Nyanner isn't a vtuber until she got her model
Yes. And?
>Ironmouse isn't Kizuna Ai
Who said she was?
>nor she has any relevancy at early vtubing
No Western vtuber was "relevant" in 2017
Because there were almost none of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>63326968
Are you pretending ? No other Vtuber on 2017 and before using other character as their model like Ironmouse, so she isn't a Vtuber at that time and Nyanner is just an example that she also wasn't count as vtuber till she got her own original model, saying there are other vtuber nowadays using other character as their model like ironmouse is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>63329953
She was streaming while represented by an animated avatar tracking her face

That's vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>sana mention
i still miss her bros......

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>, the Sana-Fulgur love story,
thats the best bcs the idea of the ship is so weird that its become funny cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Here's your (You) for that fat get

[Anonymous No.]

>>63330104
Wrong, you're trying to made up your own definition of vtuber, basically saying having original model isn't important to be a vtuber when everyone else from OG era have original model, might as well butcher the definition further by saying it isn't important to have model to be a vtuber and having only PNG that jiggling around when they talk counts as vtuber, also by mentioning streaming as if it's an important aspect to be a vtuber shows that you're a newfag since streaming isn't common type of content back then

[Anonymous No.]

>>63331019
Your arguments are dumb as shit, but I hope this at least worked as a supplementary English lesson.

[Anonymous No.]

>It's 2021 on /vt/
>I miss the early days of 2020 before holoen debuted. Things were so much better when the big companies were JP

>It's 2022
>I miss the early days of 2021. Things were so much better before councilrys debuted.

>It's 2023
>>63299766

>It's 2024
>I miss 2023--

There is always kino to be found anon.
You just need to look in the right places for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63331019
>basically saying having original model isn't important to be a vtuber when everyone else from OG era have original model
Well if being a vtuber means doing absolutely everything that Kizuna Ai did, then I guess you can't be a vtuber if you don't do scripted video content, sing, or work under a company.

Does that sound right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63331164
>Can't refute
>>63331220
Everything is too board because something like type of content etc are more of personal choices but vtuber is like an identity, your own name, your own body

[Anonymous No.]

>>63331711
>your own name
Like Ironmouse

The concept of vtubing is not that fucking complicated. You're making up bullshit qualifiers just so you can twist it so Ironmouse wasn't a vtuber before Hololive or Nijisanji.

Literally nothing bad will happen if you just face reality and accept that she was there before them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63331821
>conveniently forgetting the body part
I'm referring to the OGs vtuber, for sure I am not the one who made shit up or you can give me one (uno) example of OG vtuber that use other character as their model like Ironmouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>mfw anon calls everything kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>63332155
Nowhere in any definition of "vtuber" will you find the stipulation that the avatar used must be wholly owned by the person using it

[Anonymous No.]

>>63332495
Either those "definitions" are made by someone with lack of knowledge or they simply not detailed enough because it doesn't even necessary for people with common sense, honestly you're like a tranny arguing on definition of gender, a vtuber is an identity, how come your body (model) has other identity which mean you don't have a body, also "wholly owned by the person using it" that's false, that falls under IP rights which not even the person using Kizuna Ai own it which means it's doesn't have any basis for a legit criteria of a vtuber, by "your own" I mean original character

[Anonymous No.]

>>63301055
Funny that u say that pippa. Ik ur /her/

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
Remember Salome's debut week? Damn those are the highlights of shitposting fuckery in 2022. /#/fags had a field day over nijis x holos coping against one another. Nowadays, /vt/ can't even reach 1k posts like how it used to be and incline for the fastest board of the year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>the "old" days
>mid to late 2021
Yeah a whole 2 years ago truly was ancient history retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Based and checked

[Anonymous No.]

>>63333853
no offense but Kizuna A.I isn't so important that only the vtubers who followed the culture that start from her count as vtubers
because people don't own words nor do they control their application, even if they were the first person to use them
the term "vtubing" is kizuna ai agnostic; kizuna ai created the term vtubing. Both of the previous sentences are true at the same time. How? Because that's just how words work.

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>>63333853
>by "your own" I mean original character
So are the official vtubers based on existing characters (Sonic, Tony the Tiger, Ruby, etc.) not vtubers?

What, exactly, would you call someone who creates content using a virtual avatar that using motion tracking to animate, if not a vtuber?
If Kiritan-era Mouse wasn't a vtuber, what was she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
2022 was the worst year in the history of EN vtubing. Full of faggots who only lasted a couple months, and in the end Hololive took the podium back without a single problem in 2023 anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Checked

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>>63299766

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw learned about the death of /rose/ yesterday
Grim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63339869
That's not solely based on Kizuna Ai but other Vtuber from that era as well, and "that era" is more important not only for authenticity reason obviously but also it's the topic of the issue because people claimed that Ironmouse is a vtuber since that time (altho Ironmouse doesn't consider herself as vtuber at that time), your argument about how "words" work, in general isn't wrong which is why we have different languages or words could have different meanings/change over the time, referring to Kizuna Ai or other OGs may not so important in absolute sense but certainly it has more authenticity,credibility compared to other definition that's not based on them
>>63342041
Your comparison with official mascot vtuber like Sonic doesn't work as Sonic is their original character, Sonic is one identity with both Sonic name and body
>what was she?
A streamer would be fine or a even boarder term like online content creator, which bring up a question, what she consider herself back then since she didn't consider herself a vtuber until later ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63353757
>A streamer
But vtubers who livestream are also streamers as it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>Vshojo
They managed to purge their three biggest drama whores and liabilities all at once and replace them with seasoned professionals who all bring something good to the table.
Even with the joke that they're a vtuber retirement home, it does show they know how offer a better deal to corpos who are talented, but abused by their current group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63354055
And a streamer is also online content creator and you can keep go on till entertainer, the point is when you doesn't really fit on a specific term then just put them on a broader term and you completely ignored my whole argument about vtuber is an identity

[Anonymous No.]

>>63354334
This has to be the biggest vshojo corpo bootlicker post I have ever seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63355139
>when you doesn't really fit on a specific term
And how did she not fit the term "vtuber"

[Anonymous No.]

>>63355191
It's facts.
>Pikamee
Ignoring /pol/'s drama whoring, VOMS didn't have the resources for what Pikamee wanted so she left on amicable terms.

>Mysta and Nina
Both clearly unhappy with Niji mismanagement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63355339
I ain't gonna repeat myself, either you give me one example of ancient vtuber that have the same condition like Ironmouse or you can just keep pretending and going in circle

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300551
around 2020-2021 this board used to have more wholesome threads and discussions. i still remember pekora ogey duels and saviorfagging random indies. also more holo generals. but nowadays its still drama shitposts. literally the only threads that get replies are drama threads. this board turned into a shithole when it got invaded by newfags (as in new to 4chan as a whole)

[Anonymous No.]

>>63356519
actually i think it was around 2021-2022 not 2020. i dont think /vt/ existed around that time yet. man im getting old

[Anonymous No.]

>>63356755
I think you are getting old because 2021-2022 had the most intense rivalries between Holo and Nijisanji, it was messy. 2020 was not that much better either in terms of drama. But I assume you have a real life unlike me, so it's understandable that you didn't see all of the chaos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63356901
yeah there were rivalries but i dont think people took it as seriously as now. when Niji EN first came out with Elira Pomu and Finana you had people that were fans of both Holo and Niji. Niji EN didnt have that much drama back then. but nowadays you have people believing all sorts of schizo shit like falseflagging and treating companies like team sports. i cant tell whats a shitpost and whats not anymore. there genuinely arent fun threads on /vt/ anymore hence why people that care about vtuber discussion stick to their generals

[Anonymous No.]

>>63357127
Yeah I understand. It was a different community back then, and something about the atmosphere was different, comfortable, in a way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63357127
The tribalfagging was already running at full steam on the JP side by that point, (nijinigs invented tribalfagging and holodrones took it to a new level), so it was just a matter of time until the same happened to EN.

[Anonymous No.]

Filian is a vtuber who does not have a unique model. She even sells merch with that not unique model on it. Neuro sama was known for the generic model in vtube studio for ages as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Nice get but he's absolutely right. This board is literally the same shit every single day.
there are literally entire lists You can make and filter half this board. It's that repetitive. Outside of generals it's 90% shit flinging retards from /#/s screeching about shit

>What did s/he mean by this?
>What went wrong?
>This is _, say something nice to her!
>Who is bestgirl and why is it __?
>Why is she so perfect bros?
>blocks your path
>Who was in the wrong here?
>What the fuck was her problem?
>Could someone give me a quick rundown?
>(x) company is finished
>(x)fags BTFO
>How will they ever recover?
>Is she, dare I say, /ourgirl/?
>Find a flaw; Protip: you can't
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>APOLOGIZE
>Explain yourselves
>Well?
>Defend this
>What's her name again?
>Why does she trigger /vt/ so much?
>Would you?
>She did nothing wrong!
>Now that the dust has settled...
>How did we go from this...to THIS?
>What was her endgame?
>What am I in for?
>Really makes you think
>How do we fix _?
>OH NO NO NO
>The absolute state of (x)
>What the fuck were they thinking?
>For me, it's _
>Was it kino?
>Redpill me on ___
>See this What do?
>Daily reminder
>The perfect girl doesn't exi-
>so...this...is...the...power...of..
>(x)bros... we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
checked

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>It was Kino to see Vox's manwhore posts
You tipped your hand, sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
Everything you mentioned was what was wrong with the board that led us here
This was the shit that drove all the funny cunts away and left nothing but the shitters
since luxium's debut the catalogue has been nothing but dogshit and it's unironically women's fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>2022
>old days
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
why this cat

[Anonymous No.]

>>63330457
Sana is eternal

[Anonymous No.]

>>63360429
All of this is just standard 4chan fare tho. Literally, the same shit often gets posted on most other boards /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
>his oshit is unironically /vt/
have you actually tried watching streams for once in your life instead of just indulging in gossip about retarded anime womanlets? I swear if we just got a board about generic ecelebs 90% of you faggots would disappear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
lurk for gorillion more year

[Anonymous No.]

>>63350059
that's so fucked up, I'd hate going to /nijiEN/ to talk about rosemi

[Anonymous No.]

>>63360429
Which board are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Holobronies and Nijihadists btfo.

[Anonymous No.]

literlly if luxem or stars en faggots weren't a thing this bord would be so much better. troons, sisters, and faggots have ruined this place for everyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>63300000
Based and checked

[Anonymous No.]

>>63299766
The only old kino days that existed for EN was before males debut in niji en, because when that happened it stopped being friendly competition and it started ramping up the schizo meter, causing the moderation of vt become a shell of what it once was.