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62465642 No.62465642 [Reply] [Original]

mika is not even trying to hide where she'll end up

>> No.62466036

>>62465642
Why hide the obvious?

>> No.62466085

selen is next

>> No.62466287

>>62466085
Selen isn't friends with anyone in Vshojo

>> No.62466309
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62466309

this indonesian woman will be groped

>> No.62466422

>>62466309
The bislut would like it

>> No.62466493

NijiID is not even a real branch anyways.

>> No.62466509

>>62465642
That's where her boyfri- I mean, """best friend""" is after all.

>> No.62466543

I think it's going to be more fun to see who doesn't end up in vshojo. I have a feeling Enna, Kyo, Elira and Luca wouldn't be able to get in kek.

>> No.62466618
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>>62465642
The tweet they are reading btw

>> No.62466703

>>62465642
Of all the Nijis you could poach, Mika's the bottom of the barrel. What a waste of a slot.

>> No.62466726

>>62466543
They would definitely take Elira if she wanted to join. Not sure about the other three.

>> No.62466787

>>62466726
Ironmouse likes Luca and Kyo, so they'll have their slot.

>> No.62466792

>>62466726
Nah, they know that if they take Elira she'll get control of VShojo and have her clique back in a month.

>> No.62467015

Why does Zentreya swear so much?

>> No.62467056

>>62467015
troons think swearing = humor

>> No.62467105

>>62466787
I'd say she vibes with Fulgur more than Luca, but yeah.

>> No.62467106

>>62467015
Latina

>> No.62467268

>>62465642
saw that coming from a mile away lol
>>62466036
this

>> No.62467397

>>62465642
Again, don't know what Riku is doing still not blacklisting VShojo. His loss then.

>> No.62467436

just needs a sotd appearance to seal the deal

>> No.62467566

>>62467397
I doubt he even is aware lmao, he probably gives zero fucks about en, he's already made his billion

>> No.62467613

>>62467015
babiniku

>> No.62467669

>>62465642
>mika
Who?

>> No.62467726

>>62467566
NijiEN seems to be getting something fairly big in the near future. Anykara is still investing into them.

>> No.62467796

>>62467669
Indo zoomer

>> No.62467838

>>62467669
NijiId's biggest success who'll be graduating in decemeber

>> No.62467879

>>62466287
Selen isn't friends with anyone

>> No.62467984
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>>62467879
*Ahem*

>> No.62468253

>>62467879
>All of the event organizers of twitch are dragoons
>Friends with half of Apex's pro scene
>Friends with most of OW's top tier scene
>Ame and Mumei
>Dtto, Uto, Mitwun

>> No.62468301

>>62467838
Bonbon is graduating?

>> No.62468307

>>62468301
who?

>> No.62468330

>>62468253
Spit-roasted between Axel and Altare.

>> No.62468364

>>62468330
>Nodoka and Kobo did not like this comment

>> No.62468415

>>62468301
im surprised bobons still there, though i guess if sonny quits he quits

>> No.62468439

>>62467984
Add in zeta and the group is complete

>> No.62468483

>>62468439
and ollie, and Bae since she somehow is friends with Elira, Rosemi, Petra, and Selen now

>> No.62468562

>>62466085
She is more likely to join VspoEN instead or she'll go back to being an indie

>> No.62468579

>>62468301
Eventually. Hana will be the only one staying.

>> No.62468619

>>62468415
He's too lazy to graduate, and it's the perfect punishment for Hana who is staying just to be the last one to leave.

>> No.62468735

>>62468562
In this order Selen will leave NijiEN for
>VspoEN
>Nepo'd into HoloEN Gen 4
>Back to Indie

>But all her connections with fleshtubers!
Nobody learned the real lesson from Ollie that fleshtubers will pump and dump you just to build their own clout. The only person who I see who would collab with Selen and is not motivated by numbers is Nicewigg.

>> No.62468852

>>62468562
>VspoEN
Dead on arrival. She's guaranteed to go indie.

>> No.62468859

>>62468735
>The only person who I see who would collab with Selen and is not motivated by numbers is Nicewigg.
As much as people shit on Nocturnal they do seem like actual friends. And IPN of course.

>> No.62468950

>>62468859
Who tf is ipn

>> No.62468969

>>62468859
I wonder how badly Selen and rpr's relationship got damaged due to the last VSaikyou.

>> No.62469057

>>62468950
im_IPN on Twitch, he's a Norwegian Apex streamer

>> No.62469250

>>62468969
He insulted the NijiEN fanbase and wants nothing to do with anyone there

>> No.62469673

Mika doesn't even interact with NijiEN anymore. It's kinda funny

>> No.62469779

And there's RPR kek

>> No.62469881

>>62469779
>/vt/ brings him up
>he appears in stream
The fuck?

>> No.62470182

I get poaching isn't exactly illegal, but is there anything Niji can actually do about this? Just seems odd to me how obvious they are about where they plan to be while still technically working for Niji.

>> No.62470237

>>62470182
They can improve their work environment so people would WANT to stay.

>> No.62470295

>>62470182
If they censor it, people will notice, and if they punish someone who's graduating, people will complain. They're stuck with no good options.

>> No.62470359

>>62469673
She leeched all she could from them. Now she's moved on to her next targets.

>> No.62470454

>>62470182
Offer better benefits, contracts, and a work environment. As for Mika, she's bound to go. Nina-Mysta-Mika were their own clique of numberfags in Nijisanji. She's just reaping the benefits of Kuro and Matara's success.

>> No.62470518

>>62470237
Well obviously if Niji wasn't shit more people would want to say, but I figured there would be some kind of legal protections against a competing company being in talks with one of your employees about jumping ship. Theirs still the possibility that she doesn't end up in Vshojo I suppose, but if she does the whole thing seems weird to me.

>> No.62470633

>>62470518
Oh, okay. That's what noncompetes are for. But in many places, they're illegal or unenforceable. And given that all of these talents are international, there's a decent chance a Japanese noncompete wouldn't be able to apply to them.

>> No.62470771

>>62470518
>but I figured there would be some kind of legal protections against a competing company being in talks with one of your employees about jumping ship.
Contract tampering is a thing, but good luck with enforcing that.

>> No.62471011

>>62469250
qrd? i think i watched the last vsaikyou, but didn't read any threads about it

>> No.62471014
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>>62470633
This, also streamers are just waiting for their contracts to expire and then leaving. Which makes non competes even harder to enforce since it's not like they're just quitting mid contract to join another company.

I know people love to turn vtuber into a team sports where they're loyal to companies, but you need to go to sports if you want to see what actual poaching looks like. Pic related just happened.
QRD is the Cubs, the chief rivals of the Brewers just poached their manager, who is considered the best in the league and no one was aware the deal happened until after it was announced it was done.

>> No.62471079

>>62471011
He complained that dragoons and luxnoc sisters were too schizo for him to handle, so he won't collab with NijiEN. He went on to collab with luxnoc again though so who knows.

>> No.62471113

>>62471079
ty

>> No.62471156

>>62467984
Selen collabed more with Zen and Froot.

>> No.62471226

>>62465642
Obviously. Her boyfriend's there already.

>> No.62471252

>>62471156
Because there's a lot less red tape. Hololive has been using the walled garden strategy, at least before Tempus bombed and they needed to leech off luxnoc to boost their numbers.

>> No.62471635

>>62471014
And just to put this into Vtubing terms.
It would be like if Nijisanji announced they just hired Gura today, that's how big a shit storm it would be.

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>>62470237
And lose profits from investing in that? Hell no!

>> No.62472599

>>62467106
>-a

>> No.62473491

>>62469673
she literally had a collab with Enna yesterday

>> No.62474179

>>62470518
>I figured there would be some kind of legal protections against a competing company being in talks with one of your employees about jumping ship
That would be a fucking labor rights nightmare

>> No.62474471

>>62474179
Japan has about as many labor rights protections as it has new born babies

>> No.62475443

I know its impossible but could you imagine Mika graduates but Vshoujo doesn't hire her?
It would make NotMysta joining Vshoujo pointless.

>> No.62475498

>>62466543
Anyone pre iluna is fair game

>> No.62476422

>>62475443
It would be the most based thing Kuro has ever done.

>> No.62476627

>>62475443
People never quit a job if they don't have a new job signed and ready to go.

>> No.62476699

>>62476627
Yeah I know that but I just wanted to entertain a "impossible" scenario where she quits and Vshoujo NEVER hires her.

>> No.62476725

>>62470182
How is this even poaching if she decided to quit in February like wtf catalog readers are so retarded

>> No.62476848

>>62470237
The whole play button thing is one thing I will never understand. It costs less than $100 to order an extra, or as many extra as they want. I'm sure basically every single one of them would be willing to pay for it themselves if anycolor would just fill out the paperwork.

>> No.62477258

>>62465642
this is just a smoke screen shes joining hololive id4.. she knows practically everyone on hololive ID

>> No.62477506

>>62466287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA138kSl_PA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKte-WVzyCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RNaD7A9L7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op0kGqhcZ88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QW-UjgAT_Q

>> No.62477685

>>62477258
Maybe. Either way joining HoloID or Vshojo will both be a improvement for her so I'm happy for her.

>> No.62477777

>>62466703
I just got into VT this year? she seemed fine during this collab tho. can you explain?

>> No.62478168

>>62471079
In their defense, rpr is kind of a moron. Not a bad guy, but a moron nonetheless

>> No.62478288

>>62466726
If Elira joins than all of her nepohired clique from niji will also join
She literally doesn't go anywhere without them which is why she brought them to niji in the first place

>> No.62478625

>>62477777
NICE NUMBERS

>> No.62478970

>>62470518
I know you are genuinely asking. but imagine being bound to a company even after leaving them. I got gas at station a, so I can never get gas at station b, even though the gas is cheaper and the food is better

a really reductive example, I know. but it's a contract. once that contract is up, you are not an indentured servant.thats why noncompetes are basically not enforceable; they are a scare tactic.

>> No.62480446

>>62471079
Dragoons had everyone right to hate him after how he played Selen for a fool in VSaikyou.

>> No.62483392

>>62477506
She isn't friends with Nina or Melody, they just collabed and respect each other.

>> No.62484820

>>62477258
That would be much better than her joining VShojo. It's a terrible idea to have a couple in a vtuber agency that involves collaborations.

>> No.62485760

>>62483392
>>62477506
He could have cited her ACTUAL friend too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD10n3k5Ld8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ne7fw2fIWI

And Selen dropped into Mumei's chat last month a well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAomkZ15U1o

>> No.62487927

>>62468735
I don't know how many times it needs to be said but someone from a JP corpo who's found success is NOT going to join another JP corpo where they're going to continue not owning their own IP. There will never be a NijiEN -> HoloEN transfer. Only NijiEN -> Indie/VShojo/VSpo if they operate differently in English they probably won't

>> No.62492124

>>62477777
he's just mad mika might join vshojo. if things keep going the way they are, vshojo might end up killing nijien. the irony would be so sweet.

>> No.62492861

>>62478970
I get what you mean, but I think theirs a significant difference between one person jumping ship and several. Say we have a company communicating behind the scenes with someone from another company offering them a better deal, they jump ship, they do this again and again until a large amount of employees shift from one company to the other. This is kind of an extreme example, but its a pretty aggressive business strategy to just bleed a specific company of their employees. I think the fact that it feels targeted is what makes this seem different to me. Though Niji itself is a huge company, they could do some significant damage to individual branches like NijiEN if they keep it up, plus it may end up souring Vshojo and Niji's relationship, or at the very least make collabing more difficult. Mika will definitely be better off in Vshojo if that's where she ends up, but the whole situation just seems odd to me.

>> No.62497497

>>62487927
I could see someone who has SERIOUS idol ambitions willing to make that jump. I don't watch NijiEN so I don't know who would fit that, but I know enough to know that Selen 100% does not so it's out of the question.

>> No.62499501

>>62474471
even then they still have enough that a company can't just turn you into an indentured servant at their whim

>> No.62499567

>>62477777
he's just mad Vshojo is chewing up NijiEN from the inside and exposing their black company

>> No.62499575

>>62470182
They should have banned vshitshow interactions A LONG TIME AGO. Instead it's all blowing up in their face.

>> No.62499595

>>62466287
Yeah, nobody knew she's friend with Mumei too until she said it

>> No.62499640

VShojo wouldn't go that low to hire an indonesian right? She doesn't even have the numbers compared to the discarded Nijis

>> No.62499665

>>62499575
yeah anon they should reveal they are a black company far earlier, that would totally help their reputation and keep hold of their talents

>> No.62499738

>>62468950
Shrimp fella.

>> No.62499819

>>62492861
The only legal protections against such a thing is what you put in your contract. This is why most contracts have fairly onerous early termination clauses to prevent them from leaving early, but in this situation where they are waiting for the contract to expire before signing up with a new company, there's really not a whole lot they can do.
And yeah, it looks scummy, but really it's common practice in the industry today, and it's one of the primary drivers for giving their employees better working conditions so...

>> No.62499850

>>62499640
NIJISEETHE

>> No.62502438

>>62465642
And in other news the sun is going to rise in the east tomorrow

>> No.62502971

>>62465642
bro it's incredible how much pull she got in VSHOJO, i'd say about 90% of them by now

>> No.62503639

>>62502971
Geega shows up to her streams (is even a mod I think?)
Zen and Froot vibe with her.
Kuro and Matara VERY MUCH vibe with her.
She's good to go.

>> No.62503671

>>62465642
Wasn't she always some low tier 3view however? Is she even "good enough" for vshojo standards in the slightest views/income wise or can she get in literally-literally just because mysta asked them to let her in?

>> No.62503808

>>62503671
you say that like geega and haruka aren't 3views

>> No.62503860

>>62465642
what are they gonna do? fire her?

>> No.62503937

>>62492861
>souring Vshojo and Niji's relationship
you would think that this would have already happened when nijisanji decided to openly side with the people who were literally plotting to murder kson but i guess not

>> No.62504108

>>62499575
Oh yeah I'm sure putting even more barriers up for their talents to get frustrated with could only ever help the situation

>> No.62504246

>>62503808
Average viewers for the past month
https://twitchtracker.com/geega
>2725
https://twitchtracker.com/harukakaribu
>2718

>> No.62504497

>>62503671
It wouldn't be just Mysta/Kuro though, it'd be Nina/Matara and Geega too, with non-zero chance of Froot and Zen also vouching for her.
If you really want to numberfag though: she's not "low" 3view, she's high end 3view or low end 4view depending on stream, and that's with ex-ID having basically no support. Last time the topic came up someone dug up one of # charts and Mika was right behind HoloID in it.

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>>62504246
and if you check their history you'll notice a pretty significant bump when they joined with vshojo

>> No.62504556

>>62478168
He’s also a giant leech.

>> No.62504658

>>62487927
Nobuhime was pretty successful at the time she jumped ship to Hololive, and that was before Hololive had its massive popularity boom. Bora was successful for a NijiKR, thanks in large part to JP pandering, before jumping ship to Vspo.

>> No.62504721

>>62466287
Selen and Pomu are going to Vshojo together.

>> No.62504805

>>62470182
Same thing they did to holo, perms bullshit.

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>>62499819
Well there is something they can do. Support the talents so they're content and actually don't want to leave but I don't see that happening lol.

>> No.62505737

>>62469673
>>62473491
This right here proves that everything in this thread is bunk.
I pity the catalogfag who prefers reading threads instead of watching streams.

>> No.62506028

>>62470518
>legal protections against a competing company being in talks with one of your employees about jumping ship
Are you nuts? This would be a dystopia.

>> No.62506288

>>62499819
>it's one of the primary drivers for giving their employees better working conditions
Well I hope that's what they learn from this experience and actually decide to support their talents, but Niji is a stubborn, out of touch, Japanese corpo that I don't see looking inward and fixing their own issues without a drastic change in management.

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62506353

>>62466309
Sasuga souchou

>> No.62506741

>>62499819
cmiiw but wasnt it recently ruled that non-competes arent enforceable most of the time?

>> No.62506813

>>62504721
Selen and Pomu will have their pick of any corpo they want when they live Niji.
If Hololive hiring is open, when they leave, Cover would be retarded to not try to pick them up.

Imagine Pomu being about to push for her dream of being an idol with Kiara.
Or Selen actually getting backing from management instead of constantly being abused and gaslit by them.

>> No.62506861

>>62506741
Like he said, you don't get them to sign a contract saying they can't join a competitor, you get them to sign a contract saying that they work for you for five years, and if they break that, they pay. Indirectly serving as a non-compete.
Obviously, then you need to make it so that the contract is actually good and viable enough that they're willing to sign on for five years, and that's where such companies recoil in horror.

>> No.62506918

>>62470182
>poaching
Niji is purging the entire branch with a steady rate of one graduation every month in order to space out the 'hype' and get one last cash injection from the dry husk of nijiID. The fact one of the talents clearly has a new job lined up doesnt change their plans in the slightest. What are they going to do, not let her go?

>> No.62507280

>>62467879
Didn't Selen spend a lot of time with Zeta while in Japan?

>> No.62508811

>>62466036
fpbp

>> No.62508821

>>62465642
>citizen of pro-palestine country
>join pro-israel company

>> No.62508906

>>62504658
Different times

>> No.62509119

>>62470518
The thing is, at the end of the day it's up to NijisanjiEN to increase their capacity to retain their vtubers. If the only way they can retain them is by pointing at a part in the contract where they can sue them for "joining another corpo in X amount of time", then only an idiot would sign that contract, as they are basically giving the corpo free reign to treat them however the corpo wants and then the corpo can point to the non-compete/legal protection on the contract and make them go back to work.
Honestly, I don't have much issues with what Vshojo is doing, because it's Nijisanji who needs to take care better of their employees to make them stay, and if they leave to join Vshojo like Nina and Mysta, or Selen possibly to VSPOEN or Pomu possibly to Hololive, it's not the fault of the receiving company for hiring the talent, it's the fault of the corpo the talent left for not being capable of keeping them happy and retaining them.

>> No.62509263

>>62509119
Aside from your shitty predictions, fairly accurate deduction, but it's funny how nijifriends seem to not understand that.

>> No.62509573

>>62466726
Elira is, after management themselves, the main problem with nijien. She's the queen bee of the clique that nepo hires at least 1 person every wave. And if you're not in the clique, you will be ostracized and treated like shit. See: Elira and her clique doing an offcollab 2 days before Pomu travelled to Japan. And now that Pomu is in Japan noone from Elira's clique wants to meet with her or do an offcollab.

>> No.62509805

>>62506813
Pomu likes idols. She doesn't want to be one herself because it comes with expectations.

>> No.62512096

>>62509805
DYRBI?

>> No.62512491

>>62509119
I guess the main issue I had was that the whole thing feels like it has a high potential for abuse. Say Niji decided to poach some chuubas from a smaller corpo that didn't have the same resources that Niji has, can they just show up and basically poach the company out of the market? Obviously Vshojo isn't as big a company as Niji, but I wonder if this sort of thing leaves the door open for smaller corpos to be bullied by larger ones.

>> No.62512752

>>62503671
>can she get in literally-literally just because mysta asked them to let her in?
both nina and mysta will vouch for her and try to get her in, you already know that.

>> No.62517352

>>62512491
yeah, no shit they could. That's how cyberlive died. But the thing about smaller companies is that they can more easily give their chuubas better working environments and more perms due to not playing by japanese autism rules so there's more competitive advantage that way

>> No.62517958

>>62508821
WTF are you talking about? Go back to your cesspool.

>> No.62518973

>>62504658
Nobu got axed

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