learning japanese because of vtubers

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I am an avid anime watcher for more than 10 years now, but anime never motivated me to learn japanese.
How do they do it?

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Because there's no subtitles on streams anon.

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>>624497
Drink beer

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>>624479

Good on you, anon, good luck with your reps. What’re you using for it? I’m learning on Duolingo.

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>>624517
NGMI

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90% of streamers do it with duolingo, which is not about learning, but pretending to learn while having a convenient format for streaming what you're doing.

I see no-one learning new grammar points, new kanji, reading texts, practicing sentences, NO-ONE. It's all a facade.

If motivation is what you want, we can't help you. You either have it or you don't.

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i dont watch anime tv films western youtube videos anymore but idk but i now only enjoy vtubers. it doesnt tire me anyway. its worth learning jp language. i could watch anime again but dont believe modern western media will be fixed

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The power of parasocial relationships during a pandemic

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>>624479
By the time you learn enough japanese to be able to comfortably understand your chuubas they will have graduated or you will have lost interest

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based.

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>>624479
Japanese isn't real. They're just making noises to trick you.

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>>624548
I don't.

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>>624517
>>624548
Just warning you guys, Duolingo isn’t great for Japanese, there are much better options out there. Check out /jp/‘s learn Japanese thread or search out other resources. Duolingo’s Asian language instruction is notoriously poor

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>>624479
If you speak to an anime in Japanese, they won't talk back.
Vtubers won't either, but that's because they choose not to, not because they are physically incapable to.

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How long does it usually take anyway to learn it to "can decently understand what the fuck is going on" level?

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>>624501
This. If no one subbed anime, you'd already be fluent in Japanese.

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>>625306
you mean "no one would fucking bother in a first place and the reason why it got off is exactly the subbers"

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>>625198
From a year to the heat death of the universe.
It depends on how much effort and time you waste interacting with the language, if you want a more detailed explanation ask in /int/ they have a /djt/ thread with actual japanese people.

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>>625045
You got epically Nihongo Jouzued

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>>624497
You have no idea how happy seeing namasensei still posted makes me feel

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>>625588
he was streaming age of empires a couple weeks ago

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>>625393
>it wouldn't be big outside of Japan
this is not really relevant to what I wrote though
I think the percentage of people willing to learn Japanese because of vtubers is similar to those who would learn it because of anime if it wasn't subbed.

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>>625768
It really won't
Just like literally no one cares about jap only games until they get translated despite games being quite a big medium too

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>>625038
Is rosetta stone good? My uni gives it out for free.

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>>624912
You should be able to follow most streams in less than a year.

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>>624517
>Duolingo

If you actually wanna learn at slow pace, at least use Marugoto. Japan Foundation uploaded a lot of material on the website and it's completely free up until A2/B2 (which is like N4 or something similar)

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>>625874
Do you really blame people for not learning a language in order to enjoy entertainment??? People got more important shit to do in their lives than learn japanese just so they can play a video game.

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>>626436
I think it's the other way, you use the entertainment as a motivation to learn a language. In 30 years you might not like anime anymore, but your japanese will stay

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>>626436
No i say expecting people to learn a language from nowhere and even more a hard one is pretty dumb, between not having to go through hoops and actuallly going through the former will be picked most of the time

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>>626436
>People got more important shit to do in their lives
Speak for yourself.

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>>626478
Yeah I get that. I'm just saying that you people shouldn't expect little Johnny to learn japanese if he wants to play legend of zelda on his SNES.
And I know some japanese snobs say "well then keep japanese games in japan then!" If that was the case then we would be stuck with shitty western games. Or worse, shitty indie devs trying to replicate japanese games.

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There's no point in learning Japanese unless you know for certain that you're gonna get money from it.
Also, fuck Jamal.

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>>626971
>There's no point in learning Japanese unless you know for certain that you're gonna get money from it.
I disagree, my CS degree is enough for anything money-related, and learning Japanese is fun

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>>626971
All the untranslated vn's of the world beg to differ.

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>>626778
Dude, did you forget what the conversation was about?
>>625306

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>>625038
/int/djt/ is better

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>>626971
There are a lot of vns, ln, and anime that are not translated. Look at mayo chiki.

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>>627104
Meant manga not anime.

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>>626971
Now that's a good goy if I ever saw one.

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>>626971
There is plenty of untranslated Japanese books.

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>>626971
Hentai senpai

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>>626971
but anon, how could I play some Japanese scat VN that won't be translated without learning Japanese?

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>>626971
>There's no point in learning Japanese unless you know for certain that you're gonna get money from it.
Translate doujins, make money.

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>>627081
I'm just addressing the people who are really elitist about english speakers watching subbed/dubbed anime. Or watching english subbed hololive clips.

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I was just thinking about a stupid board collaboration project. What if anons who are good in Japanese and drawfags (or anyone who wants to draw) work together to create a resource with the most useful vocabulary and slang to understand "VTuber Japanese", but with the twist that any sentence/vocable is illustrated with a vtuber performing/doing the task like in many Japanese exercise books? As reference for example the style of irasutoya.

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>>627454
That's a good idea but it requires a bit of effort on the organizing part, you could make a thread about it when you get a more defined idea. I've been thinking of making a pastebin with common expressions but it's still way too small.

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>>627454

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>>626971
learning and practicing new languages can help prevent Alzheimer's disease.

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>>624984
Please don’t do that to me anon PLEASE I CAN’T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN

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>>624548
>You know what happens now~
>Looks like you missed your japanese lesson!

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>>628468
>reading the bottom first

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if you want to learn a language just interact with the language

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>>629236
How do I interact with the language if I don't understand it?

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>>629318
By finding the small bits you do understand and working to catch information from the context. Bring a dictionary with you and translate terms you hear multiple times. Everyone has a usual speech pattern, so catching the words one person says often can greatly improve your understanding of the language.

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>>625931
If you must use an app, Lingodeer is actually designed with Asian languages in mind. Self-study is going to be faster though.

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>>625038
Just FYI if you go into /jp/'s djt thread do not linger around. Just grab the resources in the op and go. Hanging around there does you no good and would most likely actually hinder your progress.

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>>625931
No, Rosetta stone is absolute shit for Japanese, even if Duolingo is not good it is still better than Rosetta Stone.
Download the Genki 2nd edition textbook and use TokiniAndy as your classroom teacher for Genki:
>>https://mega.nz/#F!HZ9hVKrS!kjFTgYu2_tMxkAwKNEBi2w
>>https://www.youtube.com/c/ToKiniAndy/playlists
If you have doubts about grammar, use Tae Kim:
>>http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/
If you need a dictionary, use Jisho:
>>https://jisho.org/
You'll be on a good path to learn basic japanese properly.
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If you're not averse to prep-work:
- Learn how to use Anki and set up pre-made decks, as well how to suspend cards so you can unsuspend stuff as you learn it and get the decks for Genki:
>>Anki: https://apps.ankiweb.net/
>>Anki deck for Genki: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942922371
- Learn Hiragana and Katakana beforehand you'll need to learn it anyway and you'll learn how how to properly make the sounds of the japanese language. This will take you an afternoon for each video, maybe a week of practice and review to retain it:
>>Hiragana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p9Il_j0zjc || https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/
>>Katakana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DKRgtVLGA || https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/
>>Anki Deck: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2141155567
- Also learn how to make sense out of Kanji and create mental aids to remember them beforehand so you won't suffer with it down the line (this WILL be a grind, but it'll be a few months that will save you a few years down the line, so it's worth it):
>>Remembering the Kanji 6th Edition Vol.1: https://mega.nz/#F!8ExTGa4b!U45o8vbIAHE5yrkFqyvNlg
>>Kanji Koohi for reviewing it: https://kanji.koohii.com/
>>Anki deck: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2009196675
Or don't and be one of those faggots who cry that kanji makes no sense and it's too hard while perpetually being stuck at the reading level of a third grader because they ignore a very serviceable option while chasing some elusive golden goose that promisses higher efficiency or is more comprehensive.
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It may seem unnecessary to say it since you're already disgraceful weeb but consume Japanese media on a daily basis while you're at it.
Now start doing your fucking reps.
Godspeed, anon.

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>>629499
This, the worst trap you can fall into is becoming part of a "language learning community" and spend time talking about it with other learners. People in it spend all day:
-Talking about learning but don't do any learning;
-Acumulating resources they'll never use;
-Fighting over the most efficient way of learning japanese because god forbid they ever have to go back and review something, despite the fact that thay aren't doing any studying in the first place;
-Nitpicking over minutia of very method in existence while pretending they're authorities on language education despite the fact that they aren't and never even tried to use what they're criticizing;
-Chasing flavor-of-the-month advanced stuff that's not even that relevant (i.e. pitch accent) while they can't even ask where the toilet is;
-Worshipping e-celebs and youtubers that give out some freebies while shitting on stuff that's proven to work trying to lure you in into paying for their super special language learning resources on patreon (which are all the same things the books offer, only cut in half and stuffed into anki decks so it can be more "efficient";
-Getting caught in japanese-learning e-celeb drama because 30+ year old men devolve into high-school bitches trying to keep others from take your money so they can take it themselves.
-Crying they aren't learning fast enough, while doing almost no studying and spending all the time watching anime and saying it's immersion (immersion is extremely important, it needs to be accompained by actual studying).
It all procrastination, but because you're talking about the thing you want to do your brain thinks you are doing and you'll fell good about it - it's like the meme about people on /v/ not playing games, but for it's actually truth when it comes to language learning.
Just avoid it like the plague.

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>>624479
I was already learning some, but they made me more easily motivated. In particular, when they say a word I recognize and I go like pic related

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>>624479
Is it reasonable to jump straight into reading manga with knowledge of like 10 kanji and nearly 0 grammar?
I plan to read while mining new kanji and checking grammar guide for grammar I don't understand.

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>>629499
>>630855
what about int's djt?there arelegit nips there and btw for now i am only doing daily kanji reps and 20 minutes of raw Japanese stuff.

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>>631340
You can ask and wait for someone to correct or answer you, just dont shitpost
Avoid the pole as well

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>>631340
that thread isnt so useful. unironically reddit is better

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>>630205
thanks for genki download + yt channel

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>>630855
wow, that sounds just like /ic/ but with language learning instead of drawing.

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>>624912
The chuuba that inspired me to learn Japanese reincarnated a few months ago.
Never give up!

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>>631542
>>631575
thanks ill keep it in mind, still i kinda nice to see nips shitosting

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>>624479
Read the guide:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

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>>625874
>Just like literally no one cares about jap only games until they get translated despite games being quite a big medium too
>source: trust me dude

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>>630855
>implying /v/ plays games

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>>631340
Lurking there is a waste of time, but it might motivate you to produce something in Japanese.
Filter the Eastern Europe autists though.

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>>631654
/fit/ is the same way about fitness.
If you want to get better at a skill, regardless of what it is, you have to actually practice it.

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have a question for anons that know managed to get to a decent level of japanese, I'm grinding anki vocabulary every day, trying to understand vtubers from streams and trying to read raw manga, but I'm not really attempting to learn gramma the formal way through textbooks, I do google grammar points when I'm unable to catch what's happening from context. Do you think I'll be able to grasp the grammar on an intuitive level through this method, or will I have to grind textbooks for grammar too?

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>>632743
you'll never learn japanese

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hispanic here, is it true that japanese is easier for us to pronunce?

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>>632743
Not really.
You will get some of it, but it'll take you a long time and you won't have a firm grasp of it - and there will be shit that you'll do, not know why you do because it never ocurred to you, and then you'll find out years later that you were horribly mistaken.
I really recommend using a text book like Genki coupled with a resource like Tae Kim as written in >>630205 as an addition to your self-study routine.
I mean, someone laid the grammar in a structured way to learn, why not give it a try - it's not like pirating the stuff is going to cost any money.
>grind textbooks
Frankly, it'll be less of a grind and struggle than trying to grasp grammar by context when you really don't understand what you're even trying to grasp in the first place.
I will never understand this aversion to structured learning that seemed to have taken over the online japanese learning community the past few years.
Is it trauma from school or youtubers saying "just anki and immersion, bruh" really made that much of an impact?
>>633071
Easier than for native english speakers? Yeah.
Pretty much the only phoneme that doesn't exist really exist in in romance-language (italian/portuguese/spanish/french/romanian) is ふ (also written asフ) that you can easily approximate as "hu" or "fu" depending on the word (and then you can just learn to do it correctly by just saying "fu" but not letting the air hit you front teeth).

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i was going to study today but the power went out where i live

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>>633817
Probably because most people think studying grammar is boring hearing that you don't need to is quite easy to accept. I don't think anyone really says not to study grammar at all though do they? It's usually the kind of read a grammar guide of some kind, then jump into native material and reference back to it when you don't understand I thought? The main criticisms I tend to see about textbooks is the way they choose to teach japanese, starting polite first for example, and disagreement around thr explanations they give for grammar. That and people using textbooks to avoid actual japanese while still feeling like they are doing something.

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>>625764
I wonder if that networking equipment his company did ever went off the ground
I'm guessing not if he's streaming.

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>>633071
Yes, you will definitely have a much easier time with that compared to native english speaker. Japanese has mostly a phonetic spelling unlike english and that's a huge advantage for spanish speakers
The vowels are pretty much pronounced the same way as in spanish except for the vowel "u"
The consonants are easy as well, if you know spanish and english consonants pronounciation then you will have no trouble with the japanese ones
The only phoneme I can think of that doesn't exist neither in spanish nor english is the one used to pronounce "ふ" and the japanese r (which is just very similar to the spanish r)
The "u" is slightly different as I said before but very easy to learn to pronounce. All the other vowels are the same
"nya" "nyu" "nyo" and "ni" are pronounced like ñ
"ch" and "sh" are just more palatalized versions of the english "ch" and "sh". Honestly these last two are really easy to pronounce instinctively if you have heard them constantly from native speakers
Also remember that japanese does not have the stress accent unlike english and spanish

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>>629464
top-tier advice

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>>626971
You know you can learn a language for fun, right? Otherwise, polyglots would not exist.

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>>633817
>Is it trauma from school or youtubers saying "just anki and immersion, bruh" really made that much of an impact?
really it's just a mix of me being lazy and generally learning everything in life by just winging it and thus having no real work ethic. Anki already takes up around an hour a day, and I've been trying to do it every day, so that's already a lot of effort for my standards + uni work although that's just shit I cram before exams/deadlines. I did go through the Tae Kim guide once, some of it did stick but most didn't, I also tried going through Genki but I just found it incredibly boring. I do have a strong desire to learn Japanese so I guess I'll give Genki another go.

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>>634369
In my opinion, the best way of approaching grammar points is not solely reading Tae Kim or grammar guides in general, but using them as a supplement and treating them more like vocab reps. The best grammar resource for JP grammar reps is Bunpro since it shares readings + info bases while also being input-based. Its only downside is that it's not free.

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>>633071
Yeah, Spanish is the closest pronunciation cognate to Japanese, with English not far behind.

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>>626436
>Do you really blame people for not learning a language in order to enjoy entertainment???
Yes, because in civilized countries that was a completely normal thing for a very long time. Even a hundred years ago, plenty of people in America or Europe would learn Latin or Greek to be able to appreciate classical works like those of Socrates or Cicero.
To die without ever learning another language just because it's a slight inconvenience is to deny yourself the experience of one of the greatest, most fundamental joys of human life.
Now, you have the choice of any language on the face of the planet, not just limited to the languages of classical literature. What's more, you have better tools with which to learn than anyone who ever came before you.

And despite all of this, people still think so highly of their sovereign choice to piss away their entire lives scrolling through a social media feed that they'll never wake up and grab the unbelievable opportunity in front of them.
So yes, I do blame people for not learning a language. There's literally no excuse.

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>>634505
I thought that would have been italian. The double consonants and vowel sounds were very familiar from my brief time with it.

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>>633842
If you can post to 4chan, you can study.

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>>635184
yes allow me to turn on my computer where all my study materials are stored in the middle of a power outage as well as the lights in my room

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>>635761
if you aren't walking 5 miles in the snow every morning to study japanese you are ngmi

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If you want to learn a language, commitment is the most important thing. I don't speak Japanese but I learned German in college and we spoke 0 English after the first class. You really have to immerse yourself in the language, which can be easy with Japanese. You're much more likely to get bored and stop though desu.

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>>634954
And they died at 16 from an infected cut after getting drafted out of their life of 16-hours-a-day manual labor into the latest war to protect their country's banking interests. You rose tinted retard.

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>>624479
No subs, more chance to learn kinda real japanese instead of anime japanese and also all the fags doing the same, i'm grateful to the fags that remind you to do your reps

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>>630944
No, chances are you'll take a lot and by that i mean A LOT longer doing the same progress, don't slack on kanji and grammar

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Is there really such a thing as too old? I'm 26 and it feels like I've missed the time to really pick up on a new language

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>>636200
28 here, i started last year and progress has been silky smooth, i actually had my first conversation with a native the other day, just don't slack and give it your all

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>>636200
There's never such a thing as "too old" it's just an excuse for weaklings

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>>636200
As long as you get some exercise daily, even a 30 min walk is enough, your brain should be plastic enough to learn anything. Brain function doesn't really slow down noticeably til age 60 in healthy people. If you really feel like your brain is fucked somehow do some more intense exercise like biking or jogging and maybe take some brain herbs/supplements

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you know, the thing that annoys me about learning japanese is that even when i understand the material easily it still takes more effort than english

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>>636200
Unless you're so old that you developed alzhaimer's the answer is likely not.
I've known a people who started learning a second language when they were in their 60s and they were by far the best students of their class because they were disciplined and diligent.

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>>636200
I swear age neurosis is starting absurdly early for people this generation. It's not too late to start much of anything in your mid 20s.

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>>626971
>He doesn't aspire to be a polyglot chad.
Damn anon, I couldn't suck enough dick to be this fucking gay

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>>634954
If they were were wealthy enough to have access to ample free time and books, sure. But a lot of commoners in those times weren't even literate. They couldn't even read their own language, let alone an entire second language that they had no use for in their daily lives.

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>>627454
....That's actually a great idea anon, considering most of the english vocab I learned at 11 was with a disney artbook. Anime girls for learning japanese is an amazing idea.

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>>624479
Cure Dolly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSvH9vH60Ig

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>>635950
All you've done is prove my point, anon. If they could do it under those conditions, then why haven't you in your oh-so-supremely liberated state?
Literally no excuse to be an EOP in <CURRENT_YEAR>.
>>636693
>The average person one hundred years ago could not read their own language
How ignorant do you have to be to make a post like this? Yeesh.

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>>637406
kek

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>>634954
Based

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>>625306
*If anime had japanese subs
fixed

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>>637395
By far the best material I've found in terms of being accurate, succinct and easy to grasp. I don't get how she's not more popular.

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>>624497
Holy smokes the man himself.

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>>636200
You learn languages faster as an adult because you already have a wide understanding of concepts and can relate more quickly, get on it anon, there's no time to waste

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>>636573
probably because our generation is already so behind previous generations that it's really hard to feel like any of us are going anywhere

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>>637993
Uncanny valley/information is actually useful and not a time waster that makes you feel like you're learning when you're doing nothing

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>>637395
wtf is this nightmare fuel

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>>636573
they memed themselves into believing the 30 year old boomer shit

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>>624479
i think the most logical reasons are because its a stream which filled with constant interaction to the audience, and because there's no subtitle whatsoever if you watching it live.

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>>624479
YABE!!

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>>624479
>anime never motivated me to learn japanese.
Blame subtitles for that.

Why bother learn the language when the translation is spoonfed? Furthermore, anime has become so stale, I gave it up over a year ago. I felt liberated only to fall into this vTuber trap; but that's OK.

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>>624479
Definitely, I had had a couple textbooks for japanese tucked away in my room but didn't seriously use them until i started following >9000 virtual hanako's with my youtube account

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PROBLEMATIC

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>>627454
Since the drawfags already got this going on for the KING sing-along, why not use her to teach moonrunes too?

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>>624984
Aha! I knew it!

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>>634505
>English not far behind
What are you smoking? American's ability to learn the pronunciation is laughable

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>>647119
>American
there's your problem

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>>624497
I miss him so much

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When translating to english doesn't some of the nuance of ていた get crushed? The only way I can think of doing it in a lot of contexts is to just use the past tense but that doesn't really conveny the state continuing part it just leaves it implied.

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>he still try to learn moon

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>>629318

eventually you will understand it.

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>>624479
Unironically speaking.

Go to /int/

They will get you going.

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>>631575
>reddit is better

How can you live while being so GAY?

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>>624822
I always argue with people that JP VTubers ARE NOT nor are they interested in learning english, at least most of them do not, they just practice in stream for content but pretty much do not care about it in real life.

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>>624984
a-a-anons

Does this count as a r-rrat?!?!?!

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>>624497
Rest in Pepperoni...

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>>631575
Have you fucking seen the state of r/learnjapanese?

Even the rest of reddit mocks that shithole.

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>>629318
You will get used to it.

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>>631575
You cannot be serious, even the math subs are utter dogshit, people arguing over extremely idiotic stuff while actual questions and legitimately good posts are downvoted and even deleted for lack of upvotes, same goes for the literature subs, and the anime subs nearly fucking died but the autism there kicked so hard they pulled an "electric boogaloo" and saved itself, and only because of the goddamn word "trap".

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>>651548
askhistorians is kino though

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>>651548
>deleted for lack of upvotes
Unless the poster themselves did it that makes no fucking sense, imagine every (you)-less post getting deleted.

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>>651404
r/learnjapanese is everything listed in >>630855 but turbo-charged

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>>626971
needing some kind of justification for learning and doing what you want is the absolute most retarded thing ever. excuses are retarded. fuck you nigger.

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>>636200
not really, that's just an excuse. the rate you learn a language as an adult is honestly going to be faster than that of a child. they say babies have super learning abilities, but they're spending literal tens of thousands of hours fully immersed in the language to get to the point they're conversational, vs the ~2200 hours it takes an adult to learn japanese through classes.

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>>647119
anyone who struggles with japanese pronunciation has likely just never actually tried and just reads romaji text with 0 audio input

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I learn Japanese with wanikani and translating doujins for money. It's going pretty well.

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>>629499
It used to be so much better until it took an inexplicable nosedive in the last 6 months. It still baffles me.

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>>656668
I've never known a /jp/ djt that isn't complete shit, so I can't say.

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>>656668
Vtubers became popular and faggots want to learn nipponese to talk to a real anime girl - but instead they decided to shitpost because studying requires effort.

[Anonymous No.]

btw are tae kim's video as good as his book?i normally read the books and take some notes

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>>624984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhMgBXxosLQ

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>>651404
because of hololive? i havent seen the sub for a while. if thats the case other learning sites like lang 8 might be also polluted by lazy clipfags

>>651548
i dont need to learn jp language cuz i fully understand it. talking/communicating with natives fucking matters anyway. emailing in japanese is better than reading learning sites or textbooks. without it, its boring as fuck and absolutely inefficient.

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>>662622
The place basically only has people talking about Anki, asking for recommendations of media in japanese (with the same things are commended over-and-over again) and lazy bums discussing what's the most efficient of learning Japanese (but nothing is good enough fot them because they have the attention span of a goldfish and give up anything that will take them having discipline, unless it's grinding anki because then they can post their streaks like fucking children playing video games).
Occasionally you get one post with a doubt about grammar which is answered incorrectly by people who just started studying because no one who takes their Japanese studies seriously posts there anymore.
I gave up trying to help people there, they're fucking hopeless.
>lang 8
Lang 8 is still good because the people who seek it are not fad chasers. Stackexchange is also decent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>626032
The most the average person can hope for in a year of studying is N3. When I was N3 there was still so much stuff I couldn't read. Maybe it's enough to understand the general topic between bursts of incomprehensibility.

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>>626971
What's with Japanese that causes people to do a cost-benefit analysis? How much are you getting paid to watch vtubers and post on 4chan?

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>>667153
I see this with a lot of different languages. e.g. "mandarin is worthless unless your company sends you to china" "don't learn french, spanish is more useful" etc etc. The thought of learning a language for the joy of it doesn't occur to some people.

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>>667326
It's because those people are coping with the idea that they're too lazy to do something like that so they come up with excuses and discourage the people who are trying. Many such cases. Sad

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>>668116
so it seems. so it seems

[Anonymous No.]

>>633842
started studying last night
still no power
i can understand a little bit of hiragana and katakana now though
just putting in the smallest effort makes a fucking huge difference

[Anonymous No.]

Been studying nip for about 8 months. Was pretty regular for the first several months but lately I can’t say I’ve been studying with much consistency. Mostly about like 30 minutes some days and not at all on some other days. I can’t really feel like I can make it as consistent as I want to because of my other hobbies, school, and work. So far the hardest material I can listen to without needing to check jisho every 5 seconds is Japanese grammar videos in Japanese and I expect the people in those to be using really slow japanese to accommodate the learners. (Mostly Sambonjuku). Is this reasonable progress? I feel like I could do be doing better but any other material I try to immerse in I feel like I need to be constantly on Jisho or Yomichan to understand what’s going on.

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>>669596
I seriously need to make some fucking flash cards though

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>>672621
Well, that's going to happen anon, you don't have enough vocabulary yet so reading stuff will be slower because you need to learn the words as you go. It's part of the process though, don't rush it, take it at your own pace. But keep at it regularly.every day.
Are you using some sort of structured study program? Following a text book may help to give you some direction.
Anyway, have you tried the usual recommendations of Japanese media for beginners?

Try Watching Erin's Challenge - it's a series of short videos telling the story of a girl who just joined a new school, it's made with beginners in mind:
>>https://www.erin.jpf.go.jp/en/
Tadoku Graded Readers - The file is big, it has over 900 pages of text that go from absolute beginner up to intermediate level, has furigana.
>>https://files.catbox.moe/rdb23t.pdf
Try reading NHK Easy News - the vocabulary is simple, the articles are short and it also has furigana:
>>https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
Shirokuma Cafe - it's a good anime with a easy to understand japanese speech and vocabulary.

You could also try grindind the Core 2k/Core 6k deck on anki to help with vocab, but depending on how you learn, that may turn into a tiresome grind. .

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>>627454
If someone organized it, I'd pitch in for sure.

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>>673291
Thanks for the recommendations anon! Yeah I pretty much have 0 structure mostly because I didn’t want to spend money on a textbook since I’m a poorfag. Pretty much all my grammar is from YouTube and I’m worried that the lack of structure from doing it that way is biting me in the ass. I’ve never tried using a premade Anki deck before because I honestly didn’t like the idea plus I’m pretty satisfied with the way I’m running my Anki now (mostly just slowly adding recently encountered vocab to a deck I made from scratch)

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>>673641
> I didn’t want to spend money on a textbook since I’m a poorfag
Good thing internet piracy exists, anon.
Use the links given in >>630205 and get yourself a textbook and some instruction to go with it.

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>>667153
Unironic coping. They've already admitted to themselves that Japanese is too hard to learn, so they discourage others from doing so to stop themselves from looking bad.

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>>635950
Ironic you call him a "rose-tinted retard" when you have such a broken grasp of history that you are in no place to judge what was and was not. The only reason the average lifespan of yesteryear was so low is because of the high rate of infant mortality; if you managed to survive your first few years, living til you were 60 or 70 was very feasible. Likewise, your average peasant typically worked hours so reasonable that they worked LESS than the average person today does.

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>>624479
I really have to ask this. Are there any indicators for how a kanji would be pronounced?
Like the word for core/heart/center is "心" as "Shin", but the word for "Evil" is "悪" which has shin as the bottom portion

How would someone know to say "well this HAS shin on it, but it's not the entirety of the symbol"

Like is it just memory banking all the symbols?

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>>677485
Short answer? No.
Long answer? Sort of. Certain radicals are "stronger" than others and often dictate the pronunciation of the kanji that they're in, but not all kanji have "strong" radicals, and even the ones that do don't necessarily use that pronunciation, so it's basically a godless free-for-all like the rest of the language.

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>>672621
Use lang 8 and write a short diary in Japanese everyday.

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>>677561
i figured as much
Next question, how do people "mispronounce" kanji? if it's hard slotted for 1 form of pronunciation, i guess it would be because it resembles another kanji (YAGOO exists solely because Subaru confused his kanji symbols for said name)

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>>677694
The short answer is "because Kanji is wildly inconsistent". While you're SUPPOSED to use the kunyomi anytime you see a kanji compound, sometimes you're /actually/ supposed to use the onyomi. Why? Because fuck you. Likewise, thanks to rendaku, the pronunciation of certain kanji in certain kanji compounds arbitrarily changes (ie. 花火 is read "hanabi" instead of "hanahi"), so even if you DO assume the correct reading, you have no way of knowing if the pronunciation changed. There is a pattern to rendaku so it's not completely random, but much like anything in Japanese, there are plenty of exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a more efficient way of mining besides textractor + nazeka?
Feels awkward

[Anonymous No.]

>>677485
>Like the word for core/heart/center is "心" as "Shin", but the word for "Evil" is "悪" which has shin as the bottom portion

japanese never learn kanji this way. that 心 of 悪 doesnt mean anything.

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>>678072
well then why is it there? why is the plus there? if the 2 portions collectively mean nothing together, and the term doesn't rely on the base symbols, why not just make a symbol with more relevant base symbols?

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>>678134
Then riddle me this, why are you ignoring "亜"? Why not go into the parts if "亜" is not a radical? I could easily make use of "亜" and "心" and instantly remember this but not dwell on a crisis since I bend the definitions to get to the end. Kanji saw a revision sometime during/after/can't be bothered to check a World War, but how come some symbols were simplified and other instances of these symbols were not? To say that japanese never learn kanji by trying to look at the parts is false. Teachers do say that if they're teaching older students, it's their go to technique, but that's more mnemonics using the parts rather than just the parts itself. If you're dealing with a kid, these things get hammered into their head and they get exposed to it on a daily basis.
I'm glad that people are learning the language, but the sooner you understand that this is a lifelong thing rather than something short term (and shelve how whatever was gained can be easily lost), the better you're off. Anyone ever telling you that a vtuber is the sole reason for them learning japanese and that they actually learned japanese is a super autistic retard. Not ironic in any way. Actual autistic retards like that are a incredibly rare. They're probably also neets. The rest are just larping.

[Anonymous No.]

Shittier subbing scene. Vtubers also give you the opportunity to interact in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>678134
japanese sometimes think about it but sometimes. heres the detailed explanation. i googled it now.

『悪』の根本原理 Ⅱ.悪の定義
https://note.com/cocolocolor/n/n802985ba09a5

researching it is like taking a professional history class. so you dont need to care about it.

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>>673217
there are thousands of decks on quizlet done for you

[Anonymous No.]

Learning the pomodoro technique (study 25 min / break 5 min, repeat) really helped me get started. Guess it's easier to make three 25 minute commitments than one 90 minute one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>685436
I have a similar technique, except it's study 5 minutes break 25 minutes/

[Anonymous No.]

>>626971
Rangeban americans

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>>651388
He's still pretty active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>634505
I wouldnt say closest, French and Italian might be even better

[Anonymous No.]

I know some basic grammar and I did like 2k cards on that anki deck
I really need to start reading instead of just watching streamers, which vn or manga do I start with?

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>>688967
>which vn or manga do I start with?
Something you actually want to be reading, instead of something you're reading just to study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>689053
but the shit I want to read is all too fucking hard
I guess I could reread some baby vns I read before in english like yume miru I guess

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>>689115
What I mean is, pick something you're at least actually interest in, otherwise it'll just feel like a chore, especially since you'll read super slow at first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>688967
Read eroges, like the ones that arent too long and still good like the ones made by the author of Nekopara, you wont lose focus

[Anonymous No.]

>LXQt
>Anthy doesn't work unless I start it up manually from terminal
>Can't get another IME to work
>Graphics drivers don't work with Anki
How the hell did lubuntu fuck up so bad? LXDE worked perfectly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>630205
thank you sensei

[Anonymous No.]

>>630855

>immersion is extremely important, it needs to be accompained by actual studying

stopped reading there
you were doing good anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>689525
ngmi

[馬ノチンポ No.]

>>677985
>While you're SUPPOSED to use the kunyomi anytime you see a kanji compound, sometimes you're /actually/ supposed to use the onyomi.
>sometimes you're supposed to use the onyomi
>use the kunyomi anytime when you see a kanji compound
Man. I was pretty sure onyomi is the default mode of pronouncing a noun kanji compound, and that kunyomi would be the exception for saying names.
Ie. 小学校 is "shougakkou" (on). 小 is "chii-" with a missing さい (kun). 学 is "mana-" with a missing ぶ (kun). and 校 only has a onyomi reading. Misreading it leads to "chii-mana-kkou".
Ie. 電車 is "densha" (on). 電 only has a onyomi reading. 車 is "kuruma" (kun). Misreading it, 電車 is "den-kuruma". Or even "kaminari-kuruma".
Ie. 日本 is "nihon" (on). 日 is "hi" (kun). 本 is "moto" (kun). Misreading 日本 gets "hi-moto". Though the dictionary onyomi is bad too, it would get you "nichi-hon".
It's weird for me that 花火 is truly "hanabi". All the kanji compounds I learned up until now are onyomi. Like "oh fuck, I didn't notice jisho.org was showing me a `Kun reading compounds' column on each page every kanji...". So now, was "Kanji compounds are onyomi except for names" a good beginner's rule, or just wishful thinking? Whatever, gonna learn the common kunyomi compounds too, from now on. hoh brother

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>>689525
If immersion by itself was enough, all the JET teachers coming out of the program would be fluent in Japanese.
Instead, IF they come out of these programs after living for years in Japan knowing any japanese outside of canned phrases that you can learn by reading a tourist booklet, they usually have language skills inferior to a first grader.
Study is necessary, whether you're using text books, or chasing the fad vocab decks and sentence mining, etc. You'll be doing s
>you were doing good anon
Well, that was the last topic so even if you ultimately disagree with that point, it's still mostly useful information.

>>690482
>So now, was "Kanji compounds are onyomi except for names" a good beginner's rule, or just wishful thinking?
You're on the right track, anon. The other anon likely got confused.
You should be using on'yomi for compounds. Kun'yomi compounds are the exception
.

[Anonymous No.]

I can answer OP's question

Learning japanese for anime or vidya serves only to consume media

Learning japanese for a chuuba has the chance you could actually comunicate with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>690843
>Learning japanese for anime or vidya serves only to consume media
this is one of the best purposes

you learn chink and dont use it outside of business
almost all languages are like that. english is trash as well, since modern mutt entertainment is utterly unenjoyable.

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>>624479
I learned up to n4 and then i just pick up on whatever means whatever

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>>688967
Yotsuba&! - Its japanese is not really hard, but it's still aimed at natives so it'll be challenging.
That said, anything you start reading will be hard because not only you don't know enough - and will have to use the dictionary, etc - but also your brain needs to get used to articulate what you do know.
So just start.

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>>626971
There are other incentives besides money... like spending money on a good vacation in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>691013
But watching japanese chuubas learn and speak bad english is fucking entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want to learn it my advice would be to forget about anki, forget about learning kanji, radicals and whatever first steps you have read over the internet.
Learn Kana, learn tae kim's basic grammar to get a good idea of the languague (which takes almost no time) and just go read stuff like shonen manga, simple vn, nip forums etc with kanjitomo or an online dictionary at your side to translate the words quickly ( you will learn them by repetition alone). Whatever grammar thing you may not understand you will easily detect it and can search it either on the rest of the guide or the web too.
The easier way is to just jump in at stuff you enjoy and feel like you are actually getting tangible results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>693011
>forget about anki
unironically NEVER going to make it
anki is the one thing everybody learning a language should use at all times

[Anonymous No.]

>>693011
>like shonen manga
Made for a public that is native, already knows the spoken language well enough to function in society, had at least 3 years of education (knows about 440 kanji), knows how to differentiate forms of address and levels of politeness, as well modulation to not fuck up their language learning with non-standard japanese and end up sounding like a turbo-autist otaku.
Too much for a raw beginner.
>simple vn
The very few simple VNs have tons of text with loads of kanji, idiomatic expressions and others. Also, all the problems of the above apply.
It's made for natives and visual novels target an older audience - fucking phoenix wright doesn't have furigana and has tons of legal jargon. On average though most are aimed at a public thats 16+ if not 18+, and assume that level of competency.
The few far and between that are easier to understand have been made for people who have finished 6 years of basic education - i.e. they know not just everyday vocabulary but have a wide range of knowldege and also know about 1,026 kanji.
Too much for a beginner.
>nip forums
Nice way to fuck yourself with netspeak - and japanese netspeak is broken as fuck. If the idea worked in principle, this would result in you speaking like fucking twitch chat.
>online dictionary at your side to translate the words quickly
It'll not be quick.
You'll take hours to make sense out of a simple paragraphs since you'll have to take a look at the works and grammar every fucking time as you never had any basic vocabulary to begin with - it'll be the equivalent of knowing that the order of sentences in english Subject - Verb - Object but know knowing a single word to fill in on those slots and having to look up every single one.
Also, good luck looking up stuff with kanji without furigana that you don't know, you'll at the bare minimum be spending time with OCR software, toying with text hook and parser apps, or struggling to figure out radicals or guess stroke order to draw them count to look them up on online dictionaries.
Besides, words don't map one by one, forms of speech and expressing concepts are different,, the subjects of sentences are often supressed - all which will leave you confused as fuck.
>The easier way is to just jump in at stuff you enjoy and feel like you are actually getting tangible results
You'll be so bogged down trying to translate shit that it'll destroy your enjoyment of whatever media you're trying to consume - you'll burn out.
The only thing you'll get is frustration for the average Japanese learner that'll make them quit within 30 days unless they have loads of free time available and ungodly high levels of autism.
Consuming content is good, but it will initially be tough and somewhat of a grind, even with audio-visual stuff, you'll start by grasping 5~10% of what you come across and you'll be mostly getting it by sentence fragments and the context it gives.
Having enough vocabulary (about 2000 words, which at a rate of 20 a day you'll be done in 3~4 months) and some internalized understanding of grammar will go a long way to help you not being miserable.
Also, there's stuff that's easier for beginners, such start with graded readers, Doraemon, NHK basic news, etc. that will ease a learner into reading before they make the jump to something like shonen or easy literature (which will not be otaku shit, a learner will have an easier time reading japanese Harry Potter than trying to read Haruhi).

[Anonymous No.]

>>693011
I'm trying to go through this route.
Anki memorization is just not doing it for me. It feels too abstracted away from any context. I will recognize common words immediately by just reading manga instead of spending 3 months grinding on Anki.
I'll make sure to make a list of new kanji I see while reading.
Just have to nail down some more grammar and set up OCR software before I jump into reading manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>669596
Katakana and hiragana are easy to do study and cement into your mind with timed quizzes you can find online. The hard part for me is stringing them together fast enough. At least I can make out names and basic expressions that float by in chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>694628
What bullshit.
Immersion is the best route. You learn better by consuming native material since your brain immediately picks up common vocabulary, grammar, and context even when there are parts that are missing from your knowledge.
t. ESL and achieved C2 fluency through immersion

[Anonymous No.]

>>695026
not even japs can learn to read through immersion alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>624479
FOMO

[Anonymous No.]

>>695295
Nobody said you had to rely on immersion alone, but it should be the main learning method.
You'll struggle and be frustrated trying to memorize 6000+ kanji that lack any context to them. If you didn't keep memorizing them through Anki, they'll eventually fade away within half a year or so.
On the other hand, by reading, you'll recognize vocabulary and kanji that are common, look up what they mean, and they'll immediately be solidified in your memory. Eventually, you'll start to trickle down to the less common vocabulary and start the process again. At that point, you'll start figuring out the meaning of whole sentences through context alone and you won't even have to look up the meaning of specific kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

its really funny how it always end with best method to study, any way anon how do you immerse yourselves, i watching doraemon now because i think it will have some easy shti

[Anonymous No.]

>>624517
Duolingo is bad for japanese.
Go to /jp/dgt/. Grab the link in the OP. Leave the thread and dont read a single post. Everything you read from that thread will make you dumber and your reps will be slower. Im not exaggerating when I tell you duolingo for german would be a better japanese learning resource than the japanese thread on /jp/.

Condensed curriculum: Go to Itazuraneko. Learn kana there. Learn vocabulary (grab an anki list from wherever) while learning isolated kanji if you feel like it. There's apps that are basically reskinned anki for kanji.
Learn to read, with and without kanji (if you're watching vtubers most text will be informal communication where people write pure hiragana, or 20 letter romaji words, like in minecraft chat) and to listen (pay close attention to where a word should start and where a word should end. You dont make any pauses between words when you speak).
Dont bother too much with writing, its marginally useful when reading bad handwriting but you're not going to write a kanji by hand in your life.
Grammar comes from Tae Kim. Its free on pdf.
Vocabulary is ESSENTIAL, more so than grammar. You can string together the approximate meaning of a sentence knowing all the words and zero grammar.
Get Yomichan, hover over everything japanese you see online.
JLPT has free online exams. Do those, learn the things you dont know, do them again. After a certain point (N3) just leave your formal learning tools and go read a book, watch a movie,... Advanced grammar is important but you're not going to live in japan anytime soon so you can get away with the "good enough", casual approach to japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>695685
>Everything you read from that thread will make you dumber
very true

[Anonymous No.]

What do you think of a guy that starts learning nip after his chuuba graduated just to chase her ghost and watch old raw VODs of her?
How much of a fag would I be for doing that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>695802
It's not like you have anything better to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>678500
>>678375
Thank you guys, so it DOES seem that a good chunk of the Japanese kanji is more so a memory based operation (like how most english loanwords from french like rendezvous are instantly pronounced with french in mind) and not a breakdown system of sub symbols

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>>695026
>Immersion is the best route.
Immersion is the best route after you learned the basics. Otherwise it's like throwing you in the pool to swim or die.
Also:
>ESL
Which means you likely had years of low level English education in regular school to at least teach you simple present, a glut of common verbs related to basic needs and wants, verb to be and basic grammar structure and vocabulary, as well multiple years of indirect exposure due to American cultural hegemony over the west, to not being completely lost when you started to immerse trying to learn one of the easiest languages out there, with an alphabet that's easy to reproduce.

>>695464
>trying to memorize 6000+
No one memorizes 6000+ Kanji unless they're scholars studying classical chinese literature - not even the Chinese themselves. Japanese people leave the school system with 2,196 Kanji after 12 years of education - and that's after the list got expanded twice from over the past 40 years, which means that 2/3rds of the Japanese population knows less than 2,000 kanji.
Like, stop spouting bullshit about things you don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>695685
>but you're not going to write a kanji by hand in your life
It's very convenient to look up things, anon.
It is just faster to just write kanji on a dictionary app or use handwriting rather thank looking up through radicals.
Also, handwriting is useful for people who are synesthesic learners, it helps people to retain information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>678500
>https://note.com/cocolocolor/n/n802985ba09a5
>the upper portion of the 悪 symbol, the 亞, is to represent the burial chambers of the chinese
> In addition, the "Etymological Dictionary" explains as follows. "Aku (evil) is diverting Chinese, and the evil of Chinese origin is" A (ancestor's grave) + heart ", which means" an abominable heart standing in front of the ancestor's grave ".

God damn, the japanese mudslinging is even embedded in their lexicon

[Anonymous No.]

>>696163
>synesthesic
do you mean kinesthetic learners?

[Anonymous No.]

>>696226
>intentionally mistranslating simple japanese to inject your politics onto a languaje you dont speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>682287
thanks i was gonna make my own
once i get power back ill put them on my tablet

[Anonymous No.]

>>694863
Do you mind linking the timed quizzes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>696226
huh? are you fucking dumb? or diaspora chink? why you anglo monolingual chink always so fucking dumb.
亞字形図象 is academically recognised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>697144

Before I mention the timed quizzes, https://realkana.com/study/ is really good since you can pick out what letters to test including combinations like じゅ, totalling in 224 sounds to be tested on. I would go for this instead.

I'm sure there are much better quizzes than these below you can find but I like to do these from time to time for fun.
Hiragana https://www.sporcle.com/games/CommodoreAmazing/Hiragana
Katakana https://www.sporcle.com/games/CommodoreAmazing/Katakana?playlist=speaking-japanese&creator=SporcleEXP&pid=1f54b49b6j

Don't worry about the timed aspect yet or you'll make mistakes faster.

You can skip to other letters and fill those in if you're stuck and press the "give up" button near the timer to see the romaji answers. I learned half of the letters through duolingo but got bored and just brute forced it through quizzes instead by learning one letter at a time which was faster. Eventually I would only get stuck on similar-looking letters which I would write down and stare at to differentiate them in any way I could with dumb associations. ナ (na), ヌ (nu) and メ (me) for instance I imagined Luna's "naaaa" while T-posing like the ナ letter itself. The other two I derive from that. Whatever dumb thing helps you remember it, let it happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>690482
There's also compounds where one kanji is kunyomi and the other is onyomi. You just have to memorize the words, especially since common kanjis usually have several onyomis.

Another tip is that simpler everyday compounds are more likely to use kunyomi.

[馬ノチンポ No.]

>>690723
>You're on the right track, anon. The other anon likely got confused. You should be using on'yomi for compounds. Kun'yomi compounds are the exception
Feels good m8, cheers

[Anonymous No.]

>>697897
thanks for the advice and links friendo
i will do my best

we will be japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>695802
Not much worse than learning it to watch old media. Also what happens if you get into another chuuba in the future and then regret not having learned it previously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>695802
You'd be a king for doing that, friend.
When the activity itself is inherently valuable, there's no need to second-guess because of the apparent "value" of the motivation.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/user/bowietomo0803

[Anonymous No.]

>>624479
i'm planning to do a JLPT1 Speedrun, 10~12 hours a day, for a whole full year
t. neet
(also don't doubt me, i speedran English faygets)

[Anonymous No.]

I just don't know where to begin. It seems like such a daunting task

[Anonymous No.]

>>718077
If White weebs 400 years ago could learn Japanese with barely any exposure to it, and having only a few books and people to listen to, you can do it today. I can understand kraut enough to get a basic idea of meaning, and that's just from listening to old subtitled songs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>624479
you'll become an ankimaso for a while and then give up without having learned shit
mark my words

[Anonymous No.]

>>624548
>duolingo
>not using based wanikani

[Anonymous No.]

>>718056
Tricky but possible. There are tales of people managing to pass N1 despite not speaking jap.
The test itself is a laughing stock compared to CEFR level qualifications.

[Anonymous No.]

>>718252
>Even a cow can fuck a cute girl
Every time I read a beastiality shit, I feel sad

[Anonymous No.]

>>637395
cursed material but very very good explanation

[Anonymous No.]

>>634954
Incredibly based and wisdompilled. You just brought my interest in learning languages back

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>>637395
she sounds like she's 80 years old using a voice changer

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>>635950
you're arguing in his favor. We have the tools necessary for language learning AND we have long life expectancies for the most part.

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>>635950
And they still learned it then. You're most likely going to live into your 70's at the youngest, so you have plenty of time

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>>725654
>Sounds like

Well...

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What are some good resources for learning basic spoken Japanese? Not professional, but like you'd hear people actually use day to day. I want to learn some basic kana, but I know I'd just overwhelm myself if I tried to learn the thousands there are all at once

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>>728249
If you want to learn japanese, I can teach you the kind of japanese that real-life japanese people today actually speak, which can be different from the kind of japanese that textbooks and apps teach you, because they can be unnatural and outdated.

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>>728249
go to >>>/int/djt for resouces and also some extra stuff from this thread
>>673291
>>630205
but first go to int thread to get the ball rolling and start now

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>>728352
I hate his voice yet I like his videos, why?

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>>728352
please tell me this guy's course is shit, i hate how he pushes it so hard

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>>634954
other languages are gay though lol

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>>728459
uhhh I don't know. it's not a beginners Japanese course where he teaches you the alphabet and shit. it really is just a bunch of lessons about how to speak japanese more naturally. so if you don't already know some japanese you'll be lost. also if you e-mail him with questions he will NOT email you back (but I tried the free version, maybe he only responds to people who are paying him)

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>>728459
Not only do I think it's pretty useless, it's also overpriced as shit (400 goddamn dollars).

Right now I only know of two courses worth paying for : tokini andy, who covers all genki chapters and makes his own bonus material; and dogen, who has phonetic lessons.

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>>728773
sell me on paying money for even more genki

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>>721137
>You just brought my interest in learning languages back
I'm glad, anon. Have you studied a language before, or are you just interested in it?
I taught myself Japanese to fluency, I'd like to learn Latin next, I think.

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>hurr duolingo is bad

Pretty much all vtubers use duolingo, retards.

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>>729829
Duolingo is built for western languages, and works a-okay for them. Not great, but it works okay.
It's AWFUL for learning Japanese.

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>>728352
I hate this guy, he's so gung-ho for the destruction of Japan. I swear, every video it's
>WHY EVERY JAPANESE WOMAN WANTS [YOUR] WHITE AMERICAN DONG!!
>ACTUALLY, 100% OF JAPANESE PEOPLE CAN'T PASS THE JLPT N1 SO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EITHER
(^ not true by the way, he's cherry picking really dumb people to interview)
>MAN JAPAN IS SO RACIST, WE NEED TO BE MORE LIKE AMERICA BECAUSE THEN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FORGET HOW MUCH I HATE MYSELF
>OH, PLEASE PLEASE LET US PAY MORE MONEY TO CHINA AND SOUTH KOREA AS REPARATIONS FOR THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DONE TO PEOPLE OF THEIR COUNTRY (all of whom died decades ago in any case) BY PEOPLE FROM JAPAN(who are also not alive anymore)
>PLEASE AMERICA OR CHINA JUST PLEASE PLEASE INSTALL A PUPPET GOVERNMENT ALREADY

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>>729765
English is my second language, actually. I know a bit of Russian, too. Never progressed with other languages, though. Anything I learned just seemed to evaporate because I didnt interact with the languages beyond raw studying. I'm thinking of either trying Japanese again or improving my Russian.

Latin definitely sounds like a patrician's choice if you have any interest in linguistics or history, but I heard that the grammar is an absolute nightmare.

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>>728773
>>729075
you privileged fuckers have so much money to burn

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>>730169
get a fucking job retard

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you can gladly pay a thousand dollars for your education but you will never buy japanese

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>>730188
burning money is still burning money

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>>730209
>you will never buy japanese
ok

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>>730209
i wouldn't if i could educations should be cheap in this day and age and btw i will pay for jlpt

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>>729919
seething nip

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>>730188
normally i would agree with you but i don't blame someone for not having a job right now

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>>730261
you haven't seen him right?

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>>728529
Disgusting mutt hands wrote this post.

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>>730564
Not him, but I'm mutt and studied German in college and never use it. But, I only had the big 3 + Latin and Greek as choices and I'm not going to learn Spanish.

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>>730168
>English is my second language, actually.
Nice, it's not noticeable. What's your native tongue?
Japanese is a lot of fun, it's a very interesting language.

I somewhat hesistate to start another language because I want to make my Japanese as good as it can possibly be for the time being (gonna try to get a scholarship for a Master's Degree from Tokyo Institute of Technology once COVID settles down).

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>>728432
>>728352
I'm >>728249. I've read the guide through to Hiragana, and I think I have a very basic understand of how it works.

You'd mostly use Hiragana (Katakana is only(?) for foreign loanwords, basically things the Japanese don't have native words for), and it's written as just vowel, or consonant then a vowel. These have like 50 characters together. Kanji is the fuck huge alphabet, and you'd want to use that to make spaces in-between words, because they don't space them like Indo-European languages do. Is this right, or did I misunderstand?

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>>731269
But then again, my Japanese is fully established and there's not really much left to study at this point. The only things that I could still actively "study" (that is, without massive fall-off on investment vs. return, and as opposed to input, composition practice, etc.) are kanji writing/recollection and specialized technical terminology for my major.
So, maybe I should just jump into Latin and do it. (´･ω･`)

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Any anons here that studied Chinese after learning Japanese? Started studying Japanese recently but would also wish to learn Chinese later on. How much of an advantage would knowing Japanese be? I reckon that the knowledge of Kanji would be quite useful when studying Hanzi.

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>>731469
Or maybe you could stop jerking yourself off and go for Italian or Greek.

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>>731454
I misunderstand what Katakana is for. It's for loan words, onomatopoeia, and italics

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>>731505
I hate it when nips write something that I know that's usually written in Kanji in Katakana to emphasise it, always fucks me up.

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>>731454
>You'd mostly use Hiragana
hiragana is mostly used for verbs and other grammatical stuff you literally cant read Japanese without learning kanji.

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>>731593
Thank for you the correction. Apparently, school kids learn and use Hiragana first, before they move onto Kanji. Should I be doing that?

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>>731575
i though that they only did it for ku reading since its technically a foreign word

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>>731503
I'm interested in both of those, actually. Why do you suggest them over Latin? Knowing it would make either Italian or Greek quite straightforward to pick up, I think.

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>>731609
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
this is everything you will need
and go to >>>/int/djt for futher assistancei am beginner too, and yes learn hiragana and katakana first

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>>731634
Latin only uses a version of the Greek alphabet that they learn from the Etruscans. They're not a related as something like Russian and Ukrainian. They're IE, though, so it's not like you'd be going in blind

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>>695802
You'll be a fag if you don't start now.

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>>695802
You'll always be our faggot, but at least you'll read and write nip

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>>731776
Interesting, thanks.

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>>731634
Imagine thinking that it makes sense to learn Chinese to learn Japanese more easily.
Latin is a dead language. All the romance languages have diverged from it, you will still have to learn the words even if you know Latin.
Do not learn Latin unless you have a profound interest in history and ancient texts.

The reason why I'm suggesting Greek or Italian over Latin is that "learning" a language takes around 3 years if you practice daily. You need a strong motivating factor.
Learning in quotation marks because you can learn how to talk about the weather in 7 languages and be a polyglot, apparently.

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>>729829
duolingo is bad if you're not using it to learn a european language as a native speaker of a european language.

if you want a duolingo, but focused around teaching east asian languages like japanese, I'd recommend lingodeer

[ANACREON !!yFIgAKFQjQB No.]

>>624497
https://streamable.com/5hrmcv

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>>731611
No they do it to make the word cooler too

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>>624497
>>625588
the sad thing is that he still sucks ass
https://streamable.com/5hrmcv

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>>732178
>Imagine thinking that it makes sense to learn Chinese to learn Japanese more easily.
It doesn't make sense if you're not interested in Chinese in the first place, but it would make it easier (at least in some aspects).
>Do not learn Latin unless you have a profound interest in history and ancient texts.
That's exactly why I'm interested in it. But I'm interested in Greek for the same reason, and that one has the benefit of not being dead.

I know how long it takes to really learn a language, I spent 2.5~4 hours a day for 2 years before passing the N1. And then I kept up that pace for another year before I felt that I had learned enough to be able to relax.

I understand and agree with your sentiments, though, and that's exactly why I mentioned above that I'm hesitant about starting another.
I believe that it's only possible to have a truly great grasp of a few languages. It's rare to meet someone "bi-lingual" who's equally competent in both of their tongues, and extremely rare to meet someone who has native-like ability in three languages. Your brain will just start letting go of whatever one you use the least, unless you actively work to maintain them all.
Sure, you can learn enough to get by in six or seven languages, but true mastery? No way.
I agree with you about "polyglots" by the way, their videos are much more impressive until you know a bit of any of the languages they "speak" and you realize they're stammering and fumbling their way through even the most basic interactions.

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>>732298
HAHAHA, wow that's embarrassing.

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>>732298
Shouldn't have DRUNK SO MUCH BEER, YOU STUPID CUNT

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>>731718
Great, I think I'm now close to a nip child after his first week of preschool

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>>735524

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>>732964
>extremely rare to meet someone who has native-like ability in three languages
Even though she gets a lot of hate here, this makes you appreciate Kiaras dedication. Her command of both English and Japanese is impressive considering the fact that German is her mother tongue.

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>>732298
so this is the power of english teacher japanese

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>>731269
I think I agree with your second post. It probably wouldn't be actual study even, just a little bit if polish here and there. You probably can jump into another language without much hesitation.
Also, my native language is Polish.

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>>735659
Your cookies better not be hard this time

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>>625045
I've already had holos read and respond to my comments on stream, reps 100% worth it.

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>>626971
>There's no point in learning Japanese unless you know for certain that you're gonna get money from it.
why are americans like this?

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>>630855
and /djt/ is literally none of these lmao

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>>673291
holy fuck why are all these redditor dekinais giving advice.

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>>732298
don't think your boyfriend is in this threads buddy

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>>731469
>here's not really much left to study at this point
ask he how i know you're full of shit

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>>744560
yeah /djt/ is tripnigger drama

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>>730564
my mutt hands are beautiful you disgusting europig

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>>744560
as a 7 year djt veteran i can say that djt is all of those

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>>746546
we're talking about jp's /djt/

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>>732964
Sorry, I've seen too many Americans saying they want to speak 5 languages when they only speak english.
It made me a bit too abrasive.

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>>746546
Imagine being proud of seniority in a language learning thread.
Those people are delusional.

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>>718401
Did IELTS years back for a job in KangarooLand, are there any remote similarities?

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>>751390
https://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/forlearners.html
Sorry I've never done standardized English tests, try a couple questions and tell me it's similar.

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>>732298
back to your containment thread tripfag

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>>750770
its kinda a sad desu

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>>626971
you'd sell your mom's ass for money

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>>729919
based
nobito is 100x better. hates black people and doesn't afraid of anything.