I don't understand waifuism and idol culture

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What possesses a man to treat a salaried entertainer as if she was his actual wife?

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>>61164697
Loneliness
sauce: went thru it

[Anonymous No.]

lurk more

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As long as they say they love me, I’ll throw money at them.

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>>61164697
That shit exists since past century on otaku hobbies, if you still don't get you probably never will

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>>61164697
> waifuism
The fuck are you talking about?

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People are still using the term "idol culture" lmao
Literally nobody knows what the fuck it means.
Wife? Role model? Fan club? Friend? Concerts? Different answers everywhere.

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>>61165073
You don't have to think, just repeat after me, idol culture is toxic

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>>61164697
You've obviously felt the touch of a woman, and thus don't belong here.

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>>61165194
Normie culture is also very toxic, so I don't really care

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>>61165031
>>61164903
I get "cute anime girl" as an appeal but it's just a mask, underneath it they're just another streamer no? But vtubers seem to be held to a much higher standard
>>61164792
>>61164964
But they're entertainers. Like paid singers and actors, who have relationships and their own lives. How do you insert yourself in there? I get that people DO it I just don't get how

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>>61165261
You’re thinking too much into it. Only look at the surface level and don’t give a shit about who they are off the screen. If they ruin the immersion by breaking character or talking too much about their irl shit, move on.

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>>61165222
I can understand loneliness as a man. Just not the proxy gf illusion part of vtubing, surely it would be broken right away when you realize immediately they are just normal streamers and/or singers?
>>61165386
But if they are just characters like in anime, why is there so much "yabs" over contact with males?

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>>61164697
extreme loneliness

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>>61165560
>But if they are just characters like in anime, why is there so much "yabs" over contact with males?
People can’t seperate fiction from reality and take shit too far. Nothing can be done about it and it happens with a lot of crap in life.

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>>61165560
>I can understand loneliness as a man. Just not the proxy gf illusion part of vtubing
Some guys are very lonely they start to border on insanity and will pretend that fictional characters are their wife/girlfriend to cope with it. Vtubers use an anime avatar so they also attract that sort of thing.
>they are just normal streamers and/or singers?
but they aren't, there are many chuubas who lean into GFE
>But if they are just characters like in anime, why is there so much "yabs" over contact with males?
because they broke character, it's normal for guys with real girlfriends to get jealous or suspicious when their girl hangs out with other guys, it's not any different with GFE chuubas

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>>61165926
Yes I guess I find GFE streaming weird overall. For the illusion to work at all takes a level of loneliness I don't know if I suppose. But then it is absurd when there is a controversy over non-GFE vtubers. I don't find it strange or wrong at all for a man to get protective of his wife/gf... but these entertainers aren't that.

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>>61165560
>But if they are just characters like in anime, why is there so much "yabs" over contact with males?
Why did Virgin Mary have to be a virgin? Do you think Christians want to fuck her or see her as their GF?
Historically (well, perhaps until the zoomer era), a "pure" young girl is almost always considered more precious / better than a similar, but less pure / more sexual experienced

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>>61164697
what posses a faggot like you to come to a schizo thread and act like a pompous ass? the people who seriously see these women as their wives are a drop in the bucket. and you would understand that and ignore it if you weren't such a lonely loser looking for attention. kill yourself

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>>61164697
What are you even talking about?
Waifu culture and idol culture are completely different. Waifu was all online anime community shit.

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>>61166325
I'm pretty sure being a virgin is still considered cute even in this era and there are plenty of historical reasons for purity being valued which I'm sure you know because your question sounds rhetorical
>>61166389
What is wrong with you?
>>61166394
I am not good with terminology

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>>61166615
Terminology is the only part of what you said that is important.
Don't use words you don't understand the meaning of.

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>>61164697
If you only how bad things (3d "people") really are...

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>>61165230
both idol culture & normie culture are toxic
it’s just idol culture (in the west) is smaller

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>>61164697
The middle class is disappearing and lonely men are coping with virtual women.

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>>61166731
What term would you use to describe this concept of considering entertainers who are complete strangers to be your love? And managing to keep an illusion so strong your feelings are hurt when they love someone else, even though they have never been in any real relationship with you.
>>61166734
Vtubers are a type of celeb. They are more likely to have wealth and fame, which can go to their head, which can make them worse people than most everyday people. That makes it more baffling how there is a whole culture of being in real love with them. Surely you might as well get a gf irl, you would be less likely to run into a terrible personality?

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>>61165560
>surely it would be broken right away when you realize immediately they are just normal streamers and/or singers?
Why? Them being just like me fr fr only makes it stronger.

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>>61164697
get out of here normalfag
you are lost

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>>61167051
Stop being delusional, that isn't a thing.
I love, because love is natural. Anyone going around saying they're married or whatever, is joking.

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>>61164697
loneliness
lack of bitches

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>>61167066
Well I was talking about the minority who have the illusion delusion. At least if I believe the anon that said it's a minority
>>61167082
I am an /int/ and /vg/ regular for years and definitely single
>>61167113
All the controversy are a joke then? It sounds like pretty serious infatuation/obsession when I read it

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>>61167355
It's not a joke. It does not require thinking you're in a relationship to have rules and expectations of a streamer.

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>>61167322
I find it hard to believe that being without woman alone would lead to this kind of thinking. It has to be something else too.

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>>61167397
It's actually the opposite, once you have enough experience with women you're comfortable enough to demand from them what you want and if they don't give it to you, you just get a different woman

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>>61167396
But expectations of purity have nothing to do with their job, which is showing off gaming, singing, or comedy. Unless you are telling me they are also paid to be virgins. In which case the controversies would make sense (but that would make vtubing culture even stranger to me)
>>61167513
I mean I agree but I don't understand how that relates to the post you are replying to, did you reply to the wrong post?

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>>61167716
No one actually cares about the rm. The chuuba should maintain purity because otherwise its not cute. It's as simple as that.

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>>61164697
Love.
Have you ever been in love? It's pretty good. Fighting against your human nature is pretty retarded to me.

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>>61167051
Kayfabe issue. "everyday people" are the rats in the race tearing each other down to get theirs. You are infinitely more likely to encounter worse people irl, BECAUSE they are actual people behaving as they do in reality. A character is not reality, and that's (sometimes) the point. Nor is it one and the same with the entertainer, but separating that (kayfabe) seems to baffle you.

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>>61167742
rm?
>>61167833
Doesn't that make this an extremely predatory industry? Making money off those in delusions of love with someone who doesn't love them back or know them at all? That can't be good for the mental health of hundreds of thousands.

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>>61167923
roommate, the person behind the avatar.
go back

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>>61167923
>That can't be good for the mental health
Reality seems to imply the opposite. Fans improve themselves, learn new languages and skills, create art and take part socially with other people

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>>61164697
Extreme loneliness.

In the 2022 census data for the US, it says about 50% of the country is unmarried. I'm willing to bet the stats are similar for the rest of the West as well as Japan, and I have heard China has similar issues. Some of those people will have girlfriends or be divorced or whatever, but it suggests a huge portion of the population can't get a girlfriend.

That kind of loneliness makes people very desperate, which is what leads to phenomenon like anime waifus.

The vTuber industry explicitly exists to cater to these people. These people are the ones dropping supas, paying for the concerts, blowing money on gacha games Hololive collabs with, and buying the merch. There are obviously people watching outside this core audience, but they are hangers-on and casuals who don't spend money and at best exist to inflate the sub counts of a vTuber's YouTube/Twitch channel.

>>61167051
If most of these people could get a girlfriend, they would. The vTuber market exists primarily to cater to these people. It's why "scandals" where the entertainer is revealed to have a boyfriend are so often ruinous for them. Many vTubers don't really understand who their core audience is (or lash out in a rage when they discover it).

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>>61164697
Mental illness, unironically

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>>61167923
Yes, it does make it a predatory industry. The whole industry is set up to cater to lonely guys who have no girlfriend and no prospect of ever getting one.

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>>61168039
A whole lot of stuff that is only about yourself. You shouldn't do that.
There is no relation between sexual activity and watching vtubers, I was just in Lanzarote this august and it didn't change how I feel about hololive.
It's far more likely that the loneliest fans are the poorest fans.

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>>61167877
It does make a bit more sense when you put it that way. I guess personally I separate actor/character entertainment and streamer entertainment. I watch vtubers because their models are cute and their streamers behind them do amusing stuff. The love thing is another level, I guess it's a different target audience but the same entertainer.
>>61167954
I have never seen someone on this board abbreviate roommate as rm.
>>61168019
Are all these very good artists and animators all in full love with the vtuber?
>>61168039
>>61168051
So it's a whole industry of preying on a major societal issue? What happens to vtubing if there is a cultural revolution and the loneliness becomes uncommon again?

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>>61168219
Fans improve themselves, learn new skills and take part socially. Show some examples of a fan reaching a new low from watching vtubers

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>>61168122
Nah, that's who it's aimed at and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. vTubing would not exist without the core fantasy of "interacting with your anime waifu." The whole thing is inherently predatory.

I am a happy "free rider" and have never bought merch, donated a supa, or bought a membership to any vTuber. I enjoy the streams, but I am also not blind to the problems with the industry's core business model (the exploitation of lonely people, primarily lonely men).

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>>61168276
You just admitted that what I said was true.
Poorer fans are more likely to be the lonely ones.
It appeals to those people, it's aimed toward men in general.

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>>61168219
If there is a major change in culture and people start getting married again I think vTubing will implode. Some of the very biggest names like Pekora could theoretically survive but virtually everyone else will not.

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>>61164697
To them, real women are whores and not worth the extra time and attention
Vtubers are like your anime waifu characters in a way. Instead they talk directly at you.
Vtubers, specially GFE ones act like your ideal girlfriend without all the bullshit and drama that comes with real women.

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>>61168266
But I never said they reached new lows.

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>>61168386
>That can't be good for the mental health of hundreds of thousands.
Yes you did

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This thread is OP just wanting to argue over stupid shit and not wanting to understand it

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>>61168219
>So it's a whole industry of preying on a major societal issue? What happens to vtubing if there is a cultural revolution and the loneliness becomes uncommon again?
A lot of these big spenders move on and vtubing returns to a niche within streaming

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>>61168325
It's also cheaper and without any backstabbing unless you go for menheras like the green menace

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>>61168501
Looking at >61168307 it could also be an ESL

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>>61168219
>What happens to vtubing if there is a cultural revolution and the loneliness becomes uncommon again?
Good luck with that, since the beginning of the century that number just goes up

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>>61168039
So in other words, you're a complete mark, like every idolfag.

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>>61168637
Not the same guy retard.
You were wrong, I was right.
You are from SEA, I am from UK.
You are brown, I am white.

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>>61164697
Dunno
This is the clown world

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>>61168318
I watch these vtubers like a variant of normal streamers. I subscribed to one for a short time for exclusive art/drawing streams and stopped when they were slowing down with the content. I haven't really thought about the possibility that many of them have been held up financially by the proxy gf market. I suppose the ones that have specific talents will do fine but the if what you say is true then yes, many would go out of business. That's crazy to think about.
>>61168415
That doesn't mean the same thing. It is undoubtedly true that a business that preys on loneliness is bad for mental health. I don't understand how you translated that to "a new low".
>>61168501
No, I understand it more now. Some of you are just less helpful than others.
>>61168657
I don't understand why it is so hard to find a relationship either, when culture and history and poorer countries seem to indicate it's something that's meant to happen naturally and constantly.
>>61168681
Is most of this site still from Western countries? I am only really on /int/ so I had the impression every board was the same.

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>>61168855
It does mean the same thing. Saying that it impacts mental health and is "Praying on" can literally only suggest that things get worse afterward.
If things get better afterward, how are they being preyed on? How is their mental health being impacted?

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>>61168855
>Is most of this site still from Western countries? I am only really on /int/ so I had the impression every board was the same.
It's an English speaking website notorious for having a significant amount of white supremacists and Nazis in its userbase, are you surprised that a majority of the posters here would be white?

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>>61168905
In that definition, I don't have any cases or evidence that come to mind other than these yabs. If you say that these vtubers are good for their fans then I don't deny it, I obviously watch them too and enjoy their content. But it is a logical conclusion that if they or their employers aim to feed people false love in order to make money, there will come a point that illusion has to collapse and it will be a blow to those people. I think you are in denial about the strength of mistaken love if you don't think that's the case.

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>>61168855
>I don't understand why it is so hard to find a relationship either, when culture and history and poorer countries seem to indicate it's something that's meant to happen naturally and constantly.
In poorer countries women cannot safely fuck around and the state is often not there to fix the damage they cause either

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>>61169040
I think it is the opposite scenario. Since it's fake, the love can be as genuine as you want to be and the harm that can be done to you is lower.

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>>61164697
he doesn't have an actual wife

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>>61168998
>English speaking website
It's the lingua franca, so it means nothing as far as ethnicity is concerned.
>notorious for having a significant amount of white supremacists and Nazis in its userbase
I thought that was just American media hyperbole. It seems mostly ironic mixed with some actual anger at immigrant crime but that happens in every country.
>are you surprised that a majority of the posters here would be white?
Yes nowadays actually.

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>>61169089(me)
As an example, you can safely fall in love with a menhera chuuba since the worst that can happen is your heart gets broken.
You wont come home one day to your clothes outside, your car keyed etc etc

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>>61164697
more tourists? damn it's been a year already

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>>61169089
You know you're coping. Rationalizing to yourself that nothing is real, but in the end, it doesn't mean anything as your heart breaks.

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>>61169193
Who cares about their stuff when they enter depression

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>>61169185
>American media hyperbole
the glowies want it as their cheap honeypot
>>61169193
you also won't wake up with her straddling you. knife in hand while you lie there bleeding out

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>>61169089
>>61169193
I can sort of see that. I don't think of it as bad in general as long as one doesn't become deranged when their oshi turns out to be in a relationship. But also I think if that's an expectation then companies should be much much more honest about it. The vtubers for this market should have to explicitly admit they don't have a relationship and the employer would set it as a rule. Right now it seems like a lot of unspoken rules, and unspoken rules are always grounds for craziness.
>>61169199
I have been here awhile.
>>61169355
For what? So they can encourage people to post death threats, arrest them, tally it to their record as a job well done? It seems retarded and distracting from doing their actual jobs of stopping actual terrorists. But I am not unfamiliar with the idea of governments that pretend to be good for its citizens.

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>>61169239
I literally said your heart can break and thats the worst thing that can happen.
Has it happened to you? It's not as bad as your brother dying for example.

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>>61169525
The initial impact is pretty close. Of course, I got over it faster, but I'm talking about half a year.

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>>61164697
I treat a salaried entertainer like my daughter, thank you.
That's why I don't want her to collab with males. No dating until sixteen, dear.

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>>61169591
Sure. There is no real reason to not want to experience heartbreak.
Most negative emotion these days is from entertainment, it's nice to experience something real.

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>>61168855
Ones like Aqua, for example, would probably still do okay because Aqua is absolutely amazing with respect to Apex. But the majority who do not have special skills would suddenly find themselves having to compete with fleshtubers which is why the majority of them would have to stop doing vTubing as anything other than a hobby.

In terms of relationships, it's a bunch of small things that have added up which interfere with achieving a relationship. Primarily it's due to no need for a husband since they can support themselves, feminism as a social movement actively discourages the formation of relationships and families with men, and the government also gives various forms of support to single women with children.

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>>61169054
Also I forgot to ask, what are you referring to with this? Was this in the news?

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>>61164697
It's autism. Anyone who thinks a streamer is anything more than a streamer (aka wife, gf, friend, therapist, etc.) are unironically retarded. Simple as. Some of them think they aren't and that it's normal to be thrown into a fit of rage when their "oshi" plays a video game with a man or even mentions a memory of a man from decades ago. Does that sound like something someone who ISN'T retarded would do? Of course not.

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>>61167923
It's not uncommon to feel a deep connection and affection for someone, even if they don't feel the same way.
>That can't be good for the mental health
Anyone can handle it in their own way.

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>>61164697
I won't donate a single dime for a woman to buy condoms for her partner. If they want to be profitable they better hide their personal relationships at the best of their abilities or else they won't get shit from lonely men, simple as that.

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>>61164697
>salaried
Try again

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>>61164697
autism and mother issues

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>>61169871
Tы дeбил?

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>>61169708
>feminism as a social movement actively discourages the formation of relationships and families with men
Yes, this is actively stupid. You would just not have a country without families, and you can't reliably have families without husbands. Most feminism here I've seen is just about getting women into STEM, nothing to tell them off for getting married and having children, so this part does sound absurd when I hear it.
>>61169847
Sure. Love one-sided is normal in life. But it isn't usually mass scale and industrial like this. Also I don't think you or any of us can speak for what men as a whole can and can't handle, we can only really guess.
>>61169862
Yes this is the attitude I didn't understand at all until the others in the thread explained. I don't personally feel the difference from this to paying a woman for food at a restaurant. It's different for different people.
>>61169871
Ehh... you know what I meant.

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>>61169871
aren't many corpo vtubers payed a small salary in addition to superchat/dono money?

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>>61169621
And lemme guess, time stopped conveniently at 15. Heh.

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>>61164697
i watch indies so there's no salary

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>>61164697
>waifuism
>idol culture
try and sound less like a faggot next time if you want a legitimate answer

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>>61170077
>just about getting women into STEM
that's just the first step in them taking control over HR so they can decide who gets to work and who gets the boot

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Its simple for me at least.

Vtuber is:
>Positive low stakes interaction with a cute girl.
>Only have to spend money if you want to and you get something for it usually ie: merch, members streams.
>Does not nag you or make you waste your free time doing normal fag crap.
>Warms your heart and can serve as motivation to improve oneself.

FleshWomen:
>High stakes environment heavily stilted against most men.
>If successfully in a relationship can expect to spend money and time on stuff you don't care about or actively dislike.
>Dealing with nagging, and listening to endless complaining of which the only correct response is to agree with whatever is said and never ever offer any solutions even to obvious problems.
>Progressively get so drained and miserable you understand how family annihilators are made.

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>>61174941
>merch
Generally it's also very high quality and useful merch that improves quality of life. Which is yet another point against the fleshie bringing home yet another useless vase or low-quality cutlery

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I don't know dude what possesses failed normalfags to keep coming to anime nazi websites and crying about anime and nazis?

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>>61175875
It's the weeb version of normal roasties doing the: "where have all the good men gone".

Spoiler: they made being around them so miserable men did what they always do and found an alternative.

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>>61167923
>Doesn't that make this an extremely predatory industry?
Idols are just the corporate version of Japanese geisha. Vtubers that act like idols earn more money so there are financial reasons for using that business model.

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>>61164697
when i first got into vtubers, i thought the whole point of it is that they were playing characters and you as a viewer would simply choose whichever appealed to you the most and treat them as a digital mascot that you can actually interact with while still acknowledging that they were simply actors playing a role for entertainment

unfortunate that the real deal turned out to be way more retarded

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>>61164697
its sitting around and drinking thinking about women minus the drinking. unless you are drinking. this is so not complicated.

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>>61176992
insert clip of that dude going
>when he comes home from work this ojisan likes to pour up some sake and watch vtubers

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>>61164697
Stop pretending to be retarded, its really simple. It is the idea of the idealized woman in the minds of men is the waifu. Since IRL women generally can never meet this standard, they can only ever be wives wile Idols take the place of waifu in the minds of most men. If there were more women of quality then this would not happen. Supply and demand simp as.

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>>61177436
>can
more like they are allergic to personal responsibility, dedication and self control. because of that we now have the modern incarnation of escorts known as vtubers

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>>61169771
>He says as he posts on an anonymous board dedicated to girls who pretend to be anime girls.
Shut the fuck up.

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This is very obvious bait, but for the unlikely chance that it isn't, if this is sincerely where you draw the line in the sand, I think you're in the wrong hobby, friend.

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>>61177738
No that's how we get /pol/

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>>61179400
>picrel
Imagine slowly filling that cup to the brim with

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>>61164697
good time to give this classic a watch

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>>61180359
natto

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>>61167923
>Making money off those in delusions of love with someone who doesn't love them back or know them at all?
But enough about the marital system

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>>61166325
because a birth without a “natural” cause is a sign of divine power. it’s the same with sarah birthing isaac post-menopause

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>>61165073
when you creepy motherfuckers try to pretend idol culture isn't a thing, you do the same shit the authoritarian left does when they pretend "woke" isn't a thing
normies turn away and everyone who knows better rolls their eyes. it isn't just that it's not an argument, it actively pushes people who would be sympathetic away.

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>>61180882
Difference is idol culture improves society

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>>61179400
this is a you problem, not him. the vast majority of people watching vtubers don't project their romantic attachments onto people they'll never meet. the fact you dismiss this utterly tame topic as "obvious bait" just makes you look incredibly pathetic. vtubers are entertainers and he's not wrong to expect that, so he's not in the wrong hobby at all, "friend."

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>>61181171
nah, they're both cult-like rejection of reality.

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>>61181215
VTuber is a concept. 'Entertainer' is one of many roles that streamers choose within that concept.

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>>61164697
nobody thinks the streamer is their wife you retarded faggot. they just don't want to be cucked having it rubbed in their face that they're someone *else's* wife. don't ask don't tell!

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>>61181326
you're brain damanged

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>>61181508
She probably thinks people who watch super hero movies are jumping of buildings every day too

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>>61164697
Mental illness, Autism, Loneliness, Family Problems, and Pedophilia. Take your pick!

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>>61164697
Why not?
Me and my oshi have an unspoken understanding, that she pretends to be my gf, and I give her some amount of money for it.
It’s the best type of modern relationship, really. I turn on my virtual gf whenever I want her, and turn her back off once I’m tired or bored. She doesn’t nag me about shit, she doesn’t demand my attention, she doesn’t play mind games with me (except in vidya).
I’ve had relationships with the so called real women. It’s tiresome and not worth it, especially if you’re not that into sex. I don’t really enjoy interacting with women most of the time, and I certainly don’t want a modern, equal relationship.
I could probably stomach a wife, who cooks for me and brings me beer while I watch the proverbial TV after work, in exchange for an easy and comfortable life paid for by my money, but that ship has, unfortunately, sailed approximately 60 years ago.
So vtubers are the next best thing.

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>>61166615
No shit, also people only care about the avatar. If any of these girls went t facecamming 90% of the ppl here would drop them.

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>>61164697
Real women give me a headache. I get the benefits of a relationship without many of the downsides and complications that come with one.

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>>61164697
>What possesses a man to treat a salaried entertainer as if she was his actual wife?
I have nothing and no one in my life except a horrible, suicide-inducing job that pays well, and I'm past the point of no return when it comes to forming a meaningful connection with another human being.
If my choices are to stare at the ceiling for 4 hours after work before drifting into a dreamless sleep, or pretend that a 30 year old woman larping as a cute anime girl is my wife for a few hours, I'll choose the latter and I'll happily send her money.
I'm a broken half man. A sewer troglodyte that left the comforts of his fecal cave only to be burned by the sun. The sewer is where I'll remain for all my days.

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>>61182295
To be fair, a major point of streaming is to see their reactions so of course there would be less interest without it
>>61182063
>so called real women
This hits too hard. If they don't have fake plastic lips and tits then they at the very least have clothes faking their body shape and a thick coating covering their face. All while showing off these fake emotions that triggers a feeling of uncanny valley
So, no real difference in those aspects between the women of today and the majority of chuubas

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>>61164697
I've never thrown money at a chuuba, but I've had 2 views laugh at my chat messages before, and it does feel good. I imagine it's like that, but less effort. Kind of like how people pay for the convenience of having delivery people installing something up for you when you could do it yourself.

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>>61183179
>I've never thrown money at a chuuba
Be happy that you never have. It's a slippery slope. Once you start, you'll never stop. It's especially bad if the chuuba remembers your name and remembers previous chats you've sent. That's when you're trapped forever, because if you stop, you'll start to feel bad or worry about being forgotten.
There's nothing that will ever convince you to stop either, unless there's a gigaYab.
t. paypig

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>>61183179
>>61184012
Now you're just giving me horrible flashbacks to that thread with screenshots from youtube with messages showing the names of people who cancelled their memberships

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>>61164697
is that a real question? being lonely and unloved for years. you really needed to make someone say it?

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>>61164697
mental ilness

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>>61168039
>Many vTubers don't really understand who their core audience is (or lash out in a rage when they discover it)
Asymmetrical relationships hurt both sides.
Ah, the irony.

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>>61164697
to have

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>>61169763
Go read /pol/ for a week and then you'll understand (the more toxic side of) /vt/ better. There's too many things implied on here that would be off topic to explain.

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>>61169500
>Right now it seems like a lot of unspoken rules
Of course it is. All human relationships are based on unspoken rules, and vtuber / fan is clearly a type of relationship. But I'm bored, so I'll try to explain it to you as if you were five.

Let's start with the "girlfriend" part that apparently confuses and upsets you. Let me ask you this: when you read a book or watch a movie, are you literally in those far lands doing those crazy things that are depicted? Of course not. But do you still "feel" the fear and excitement and amazement of the stories, if they are well written? Yes, you do, or you wouldn't be reading / watching them.

Vtubing is the same. Every vtuber is a character, or "virtual girl," usually a combination of 1. an anime trope (say, tsundere girl); 2. some lore and design elements; 3. parts of the rm's actual personality and life (both the parts that come off naturally and those that she is comfortable sharing.) Sometimes the result of all this is a girl you like, meaning that you like spending time listening to her. Don't fool yourself about the "talents": I'm not denying that many vtubers are talented at something, but if you were only in it for the art or music or gaming, you would be watching an art channel, a professional musician, or a pro gamer on Twitch. The reason you watch a vtuber is because you like listening to that virtual girl's stories or struggles and empathizing with her. Even just a bit. (It's ok to admit you do, empathy is a natural feeling.)

Traditionally, when you like spending time listening to a woman's thoughts and empathizing with her, that makes you a couple (unless it's unrequited love or the dreaded "it's complicated.") Does watching a vtuber means that you are literally in a relationship with that character (or worse, with the rm)? Of course not. But do you still "feel" the joy and excitement and even love for what she does? Yes, you do, or you wouldn't be watching her.

As for the lonely people part: if I was in a relationship or married, I wouldn't have the time nor the interest in listening to somebody else (except for my hypothetical wife and kids) talk for hours about their own sweet nothings (zatsudan) or playing minecraft or some other support activity. But I'm not, and many times I happen to enjoy it more than watching a movie or reading a book (or going out with friends.) So the current "epidemic" of people who either choose or end up being alone (for a bunch of reasons that are off-topic here) certainly helps create a market for vtubers. But I would hardly call it "exploitation."

Finally, about the unicorn part: if you enjoy listening to that virtual girl talk, sing, draw, or play games, it's a very natural feeling NOT wanting her to flirt with another man on screen. She can do whatever she wants off screen (obviously) as long as it's kept hidden in her private life. But the moment she brings it to the screen, or is leaked, it becomes part of the character we know as fans, and every fan has to deal with it, one way or another. For example, my (ex-)favorite vtuber recently did a sudden collab stream with a sexpest of a male vtuber, out of the blue. She was flirting with the guy (at least in my mind) and it made me quite cross. So I stopped watching her and canceled her membership. I didn't get depressed or even particularly sad, but I can imagine somebody else having a stronger reaction than I did.

Hope this clears it up a bit. This is a type of entertainment / performative art / para-social relationship that simply did not exist before the technology allowed it, and would not exist without a market for it. But it does, and it brings with it a lot of unspoken rules. Because people on both sides have feelings.

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>>61164697
The same way people on /a/ were celebrating their "wife's birthday" and taking pictures of themselves with a literal 2D image.
If you don't get it, then I'm sure there are some Twitch vtubers out there that appeal more to your sensibilities.

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>>61180882
But what the fuck is idol culture anon? Define it for me, and then I will ask someone else, who will have a completely different answer

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I was asleep.
>>61175875
Do you truly want to be known as the nazi website? Like I said that is a Western media label applied in your countries. I do not think people here want to hate others, they are just forced to by life.
>>61190826
I have been on /pol/, it's a strange way to discuss politics. I am of the mind you are supposed to talk politics either casually or seriously only when calm because you won't make much sense if you are angry. /pol/ seems to be practice the opposite and only discusses when angry. It doesn't seem like you could get any productive talk completed like that.
>>61194715
Yes this is quite a good explanation, thank you. I suppose I watch vtubers for a different reason so I feel annoyed/distracted by the drama but not hurt about their relationships. I disagree with you on one part, I don't think it's strange at all for happily married men to watch vtubers because the appeal is not exclusive to lonely/single people. But it makes sense that lonely/single audience is a large one.

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>>61197245
> Do you truly want to be known as the nazi website?
Absolutely. Preferably as a pedo nazi website too.
The reputation is a natural gatekeeping tool that keeps the normalfags away. I wouldn’t want anyone low enough on the disagreeableness scale to be deterred by this reputation to post here anyway.

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I will also add that part of the reason I cannot understand attachment to vtubers with love is because the community is so big I cannot ever keep up the illusion that it is personal bond. The moving chat is a reminder that there are thousands other watching too. How would one consider it to be love without somehow ignoring the rest of the audience?
>>61198040
But I am on /int/ and it is very clear that this website's reputation does not deter people from non-Western countries at all. In fact it seems like being "normal" in our countries is enough to not be a "normalfag" in your world. I find even the more stranger that from media and from what you are all saying, wanting to get married and having a family is what makes you a society outsider? That seems dysfunctional social norms. But I won't judge your politics. I will just say the topics discussed here are perfect normal in the rest of the world. If they are taboo in your countries then something is deeply wrong.

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>>61164697
A 2hufag saying this is palpably ironic.

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>>61198850
Characters are not actors. I find >>61195604 to be less strange than vtuber culture for example. I am not finding strange being infatuated with a fictional character, I am finding strange being infatuated with an entertainer playing a character that they are not and keeping up the illusion they are not just a paid worker servicing thousands of others. But as others have already explained to me it is a deeper social issue so useless to ask further.

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>>61199187
Christ no one gives a fuck about your 40 year old detached takes. Your kind engages in diaper ERP on /jp/ and thinks they have an authority on people who just want to live their lives as they please. At least I know the likes of /vpol/ hate my guts because I'm into Chuubas, you seem to desperately want their approval with your pseud BS. Fuck off and kill yourself normalfag scum.

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>>61200132
Why are you angry and so confusing?

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>>61180882
NTA anon but hes clearly not saying it doesnt exist but saying that there is no universally agreed definition of it. Do your reading comprehension reps.