/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What's with the Niji collabs all of a sudden? Did Holo have a collab policy change or something? Maybe things started to change with the HLZNTL thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
If anything, we're back to how things were. Hope we get some more Sasaki and Korone collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
more like it feels as if we're back in 2019.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156146
I hope we go back to the kino of the good old days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
At this point I'd assume it's an Anykara policy change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156190
you never watched holo and never will

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156289
The "walled garden" shit isn't hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156306
I don't know anon, maybe it had something to do with the Taiwai incident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156306
it's more holo than niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
China is trying to get back in bed again with cover since their years long outrage fell on deaf ears and they're striving more than ever without the chinks. They stopped declaring cover an public enemy and now chinksanji is allowed to collaborate with them again.

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>>61155559
>>61156190
Based. I hope Tempus does a group collab with Advent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
I blame that bitch Nerissa

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
We're getting invaded, now it is our role to push away the filth that is contaminating Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61157009
hololive is just forming bonds with the wider streaming community. EN could learn a thing or two from JP and ID.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive noticed that when they collab with Niji, the result is always them stealing Niji's viewers. Nijifans are the ones who dismiss Hololive, before realizing Hololive is actually the superior option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
You just ignored the Hololive members that collabed with Nijisanji members, this is nothing new retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156348
No it isn't. You're just a barely pubescent child sucking on the hot new maymay like a retard fanboy.
Hololive as it is now were never like this and it is why they lost practically all of their original fanbase, besides a handful of long-term fans here and there.
Hololive were very pro-collab, not the insular shitfest it became in more recent years.
Hell, Hololive regularly HELD collab events that had other companies and indies part of it, particularly AZKi with her music collabs.
You don't know a fucking thing about vtubers, just what has been told to you 4th hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGbmpt6h-9U
Cunts like you have become the ruin of vtubing at large, bringing your childish teenage fanboy cancer in to the community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
hololive is collapsing and everyone is preparing to evacuate to nijisanji.

What do you know 50% cut is not sustainable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>sudden
>change
H O W N E W
O
W
N
E
W

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
Go to bed, grandpa.

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>>61156289
Imagine being THIS fucking retarded holy shit
(You) were literally SHOWN the evidence and your response is to say the other anon is talking out his ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
We're entering good times again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
>was less popular than Niji
>stop collabing with anyone to maintain high standard because Holomems are better than other other vtubers
>quality of contents go up, become the biggest vtubers group by huge margin
Now they're collabing with Niji, why? It's going to drag Holo's image down because literally no one likes Niji other than a handful of Nijifags. Some people like to say Niji is more popular with JP normalfags but Hikakin literally choose to collab with Pekora over any Niji, how can you explain that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
I'm pretty sure it's just the EN side that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158524
>no one likes Niji
People have issues with the company, not with the talents, go fuck yourself tribalfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
>particularly AZKi with her music collabs
Those were handled by INNK. Azki stopped doing the music marathons after Upd8 bit the dust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156146
>Sasaki
Her torturing Aqua one day, then fawning over Elira the next, is just the absolute best

[Anonymous No.]

>>61157009
>contaminating Hololive
And yet Mori, Kronii, Nerissa, Shiori, and Ame still stand, fully devoid of any impugned action

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck all of you Niji/Holo ID collabs were fun as fuck and let ID girls actually have fun back when ALL ID was seen as an eye sore

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158524
>Hikakin literally choose to collab with Pekora over any Niji
https://www.youtube.com/live/riPjiA3aZWU

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158524
Nice revisionist bullshit, you dumb retard fanboy.
>>61158715
She could still do them. Hololive had part responsibility. A lot of upd8s services were already long dead before their public collapse, what was left before then was a mere husk of a company.
Hence why everyone under them had either graduated, distanced themselves or such, and resulting issues that came from that making me hate Norio even more for her blatant hypocrisy over the Polka / notRushia bullshit in regards to her supposed hatred of graduations and not liking it at all, yet turning a blind eye to her own self-admitted strong opinion when it just so happens to be Rushia that gets booted.

Likewise, Haachama did similar things with getting indies together on fucking Skype of all things.
https://files.catbox.moe/eubl84.webm
Delicious earrape.

>>61158883
kek. I was waiting for someone to link it. I was considering it myself but was too lazy to open the channel.
His model is too funny, that fucking neck man.

We're trying to be "educated" by a bunch of fucking EOP monkeys who don't even watch streams, it's always a classic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158524
The amount of mouth breathing retarded mongoloidness that this post is literally gave me a migrange. Whether you want to reject reality or not doesn't change the fact that Niji JPs more laid back approach is more popular to people in Japan. A few years ago Hololive would collab with Nijisanji constantly. I understand if you have a problem with the company and its practices but the streamers themselves at least on the JP side are all pretty great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158524
KYS faggot. What an absolute shit and uninformed take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
they are retarded, especially after all the suisei antis flaming her were revealed to be nijifags

[Anonymous No.]

It's the opposite, anon. Holo was always open from the very beginning when it comes to Niji. Dunno whatever the fuck happened with Niji management though

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159025
>making me hate Norio even more for her blatant hypocrisy
qrd?

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>>61158815
Nijiholo was always pretty fun. It's kinda funny how all the tribalism is in the dramafags' heads while the actual talents have no beef with one another, not because of the companies they're in at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159197
PekoGwelu collab when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
weren't HoloJP and NijiJP chill before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>He thinks Holo is the one blocking collabs
Remind me again why is Kson blacklisted by Nijsanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159318
she's not though

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159266
>weren't HoloJP and NijiJP chill before?
yes, but then the taiwan yab happened and Niji avoided Holo like the plague.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
China money dried up so Nijis are pretending they didn't avoid Holo for two years

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159327
>he actually doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159375
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159377
proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

Like all other issues, the walled garden meme comes from HoloEN. Worse yet, it was a policy started by Omega of all people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159389
Here you go tourist https://clips.twitch.tv/AgilePolishedWallabyANELE-IuyRIxJBYJoBMXcl

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>>61159461
>the source is a random person in Kson's chat and an offhand comment by the person herself
nijisanji do not manage VCR events. the events and servers are managed by Vaultroom and Crazy Raccoon, who have had a lot of collaborations with nijisanji in the past through tournaments and events but remain unrelated to the organization. what connection does Kson have with either of those parties or their members? is she friends with any of the staff, any of the CR streamers/pros or any of the related circles? who could get her an invitation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159440
So that's why JP stopped interacting with almost everyone after they blew up in popularity. Fucking Omega.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159440
Fuck off, stop replying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159440
>Like all other issues, the walled garden meme comes from HoloEN
Was gonna say the same until I figured it wasn't worth educating shitposters. The same was also true with NijiEN for a while. The main branches of both were never walled gardens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159506
Oh for fucks sakes you fucking idiot, the original video is long gone so fuck you for making me link to them, here is the "news" reporting on it with far longer clips from the same stream.

https://youtu.be/RCkTmR0Qhf0?si=8yAOIryfQujD2uyu

https://youtu.be/GxNQ9smODvg?si=m4UfnrZzc3r1DqcM

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159689
>False
>Khyo
Nta, but Jesus fucking Christ kys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159615
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159440
> omega did one good thing
too bad it got eclipsed by everything else

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159738
If you have the link to the original clips or an archive of the stream, be my fucking guest you lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159689
she didn't even know who was managing the server and event in the first place so how does this prove "nijisanji hates me" was the reason?
was she excluded from anything else or did she mention niji hating her in any other context?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159263
Would be actual kino in 3D but dramanigs would destroy both of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159869
The major issue with Kson is that because she was at the top of the totem pole for a while, she thinks she can talk about anything and everything vtuber related, even if she's not fully informed about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159927
it sounds plausible that nijisanji blacklisted her i just don't think her responding by an assumption from someone in her chat while (seemingly) not even being fully informed on the context is good enough proof.
the comment in chat sounds like maybe she mentioned it before so i was wondering if she said anything else that was more substantial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159389
Kson was actually planned to appear in some niji's birthday stream but she got canned with the niji in question being warned mid-stream.
Don't have the clip saved (also wouldn't be surprised if it got completely removed) but maybe someone here has it. Heck, you can even go to her thread and ask kson's diehard fans about it if you care.

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>>61159975 (me)
>responding by
responding to*

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159869
>>61159927
>>61159975
Are you trying to change the subject, or did you got confused at some point? The point of the clips is that show that Kson is banned from collabing with Niji and she is saying it herself the reason why, the VCR ark server was just the springboard to that conversation, so what the fuck are you guys on about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61160022
i don't know about the other anon(s) but i probably got confused, either way >>61159982 answered my question so i'll look into that.
calm down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159185
Disowned Polka when she joined Hololive because she "hates" the idea of graduations or taking up new personas, even if it was beyond their control, and said she would never hire anyone if they were someone before.
Polka (Nobuhime) was quitting because the writing was on the wall for upd8 a while before it collapsed for real, and was probably gone for good. But Cover got in touch and fast tracked her in to a gen.
Fast forward to when Rushia gets booted and she quite happily collabs with her as Mikeneko.

That on top of some scummy practices in the manga industry mainly relating to overworking that she reinforced put me right off Norio for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>Holo collab policy change
You know it was Nijisanji that was blocking collabs, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61160049
To this day they havent collabed, even thought they were good friends before, so that checks out a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61160049
It's another episode of "if they don't collab they HATE each other" huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
>lost all their original fanbase
What sadness, they lost 40k subs, before 2019 they were unknown you fucking retard
>newfag
I watch them since the beginning of 2019, I want them to be successful insteado of muh secret club you "oldfags" like so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
To leddit you go, chikmapple

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161346
Yeah, types like you are the ones I mean.
Quantity over quality amirite
Fucking Azur Lane cancer.
>>61160426
Autism must be hard.
They've had zero interactions despite many others.
>>61161378
Nice argument, child. Why are all you redditors such self-haters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Hololeeching because IPO didn't go well

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
H O W N E W

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
wtf but false-sama told me cover already blacklisted kurosanji....

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161404
>quality over quantity
Ask cover if they prefer the 30k "oldfags" or the millions of "newfags", it's been 4 years already, I doubt you're a holofan if you still seethe about that

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161499
People like you are neither, fuck off dramafag!

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161499
>Cover
Yeah I give a shit about corporate, so much, I heckin LOVE managers bros!!!
Just as I said, you're exactly the kind of people I mean.
You'd be a great Cover manager, disregard the talents healths, stream more stream more MOAR NUMBAR BIGGAR.
Meanwhile many of the talents have remembered the past and how much busier they are and how they almost quit but were convinced to stick around, how stream numbers have lowered overall for many of them, especially the earlier gens.
This is the point where you say "yeah but they re just lazy".

[Anonymous No.]

>nijinigs begging to let them leeche
Holy pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159506
>kson wants to join the event
>nijisanji hears of this and demands their talents to not join
>event organisers are put on the spot to decide between kson or nijisanji
>kson doesn't want to put them under that kind of situation so she doesn't join

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161586
Holy shit, almost like a job!

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161586
Imagine calling yourself an idol and can't even stream 3 times a week, 95% of them would give up if they worked for traditional idol companies

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>>61161643
A job description that has changed so many times it isn't funny.
The fact more of them haven't quit is surprising.
Just the usual Japanese and the lack of a spine.
At least Coco had the balls to say "yeah fuck off" and leave when they asked talents to take on even more work that practically none of them signed up for.
Trying to force a bunch of unhealthy almost-NEETs to become dancing and singing pros and stringing them along with ptomises of richs.
>>61161710
See above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
since when Hikakin is NIJI lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161737
While I'm sure he is just meaning the top and bottom, believe it or not a large number of /v/irgin invaders to /jp/ called every non-Holo a Niji. They actually thought "niji" meant someone not in the company. kek
There's likely still many of them on here right now that think this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161570
I watch Miko, Subaru, Sora and Aqua since the beginning of 2019 and I vastly prefer the time after niji collabs ended/got rare

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>Both companies made joint statement regarding slander
>What's with the Niji collabs all of a sudden?
How can someone this retarded function in society?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161785
Yeah because you're a groomer fanboy type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161734
So they don't want to quit because they earn a humongous amount of money, you want me to be impressed by that or what? Nobody is a slave, if they want they quit, if you stay then take the responsibilities.

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>>61161614
There's literally clips posting above showing she didn't know it was happening or who was managing it. Blacklisted by Niji? Sure but in this specific case it has nothing to do with them, it involves streaming circles she's not involved with at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161586
>disregard the talents healths, stream more stream more MOAR NUMBAR BIGGAR.
When did this happen? If anything, it's the talents themselves who don't wanna take a break and they have to be forced by management to take one.
We're talking about the same company that has Ayame and Gura in their roster.
>MOAR NUMBAR BIGGAR
see picrel

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>>61161866
Point proven.
You shit on both Gura and Ayame despite not even understanding why they are off, despite both being known as to why they are off so much.
You only like the image of the company, not anyone in the company.
Probably even shit on Haachama as well.
Wouldn't even be surprised if you shit on Miko when she was on a break for her surgery recovery.
How many [vtuber] noises Twitter accounts you subbed to, buddy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161818
>you don't watch them
>I watch them since early 2019
>i-it doesn't count
I swear people who think they're muh oldfags are the worst thing on this board, not everyone back then loved everything, they changed a long time ago, if you still don't accept it after almost half a decade you need to seek help

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161851
Noooo, you don't GET IT BRO, it's her FAVOURITE GAME EBUR!!!!
How can she not be involved?!?! Clearly it was managements doing!

These idiots probably don't even fucking watch Kson. She has her own server already.
She could join loads of other ARK servers if she so desired. She doesn't because she doesn't need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161785
>Watches Aqua from 2019
>Prefers the time period where Aqua also can no longer freely collab with Kagura Mea
Caught the Zhang here

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Has anyone ever checked to see which Nijis they collabed with prior to Luna joining, and then stopped after she joined? We can find out who harassed her out of Niji like this.

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>>61161943
>shitting on lazy people is being a corporate drone
It's literally the opposite, you supporting whatever they do is being a yesman, Gura is like that for almost 2 years and Ayame even more so, unless they have cancer or a chronic disease it isn't justified, Miko stayed out for half a year but before and after that she streamed consistently, they're incomparable

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161999
kuzuha does get a lot of views but he isn't even the biggest name involved, even if niji decided to pull out people like shaka and seki yuuta would still carry the viewership and exposure on their backs

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162058
And how do you know Gura doesn't or hasn't developed some severe illness?
The fact she has kept it quiet?
You know what kayfabe is, cunt? Perhaps they WANT to keep that separate for a reason.
It has nothing to do with being a yesman.
And Ayames issues are well known to everyone except you EOP trash. She has talked about it god knows how many fucking times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
Oh no holo grew 50000% but lost a few male beggars

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161999
>She doesn't because she doesn't need to.
This! KSon opted out so this could happen!

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161404
On-stream interactions don't mean anything when it comes to actual relationships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161785
Miko, Subaru, and Sora were boring as hell in 2019, but Aqua was much more interesting back then. I don't even understand how you prefer 2023 Aqua.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161734
>A job description that has changed so many times it isn't funny.
Yeah, that happens in every job. They risked it, and they got successful off it, now someone like Marine can create high quality animated MVs with the money they make.
>At least Coco had the balls to say "yeah fuck off" and leave when they asked talents to take on even more work that practically none of them signed up for.
Are we rewriting history now, Coco has said it was creative differences, she couldn't create the content she wanted under them.
As for their workload, Lamy said that they have their company mandated concerts like fest, but everything else is mandatory, nobody is worked to death. >https://youtu.be/N5uGCFyo-QQ?t=121

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>>61162007
Before your dumbass inspires more stupid responses - Sasaki never and they literally hung out the day after she quit, along with the rest of (ex)gamers.
That stupid shitpost made up entirely on /jp/ still persists to this day, but some people actually believe it.
She left because she had a fucking habit of leaving and dropping damn near everything she has done in the past.
She finally found something she wanted to stick by. (and I'm glad, I'd miss her music streams if she left, thank god her surgery went okay as well because at the exact same time a girl I knew had hand surgery that did NOT go as well as Luna and she had to stop keyboard)

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162187
Does she know anyone who could have gotten her in the server at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
They hated him because he told the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158469
You don’t watch hololive. You’re like the people who beg for holostars collab even though you don’t watch holostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161943
I shit on your mom faggot, don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about anyone's lack of stream or not otherwise, what a massive strawman of an argument you have there, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162227
2019 Subaru was peak THOUGH

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>a single day with 2 niji collabs
>has everything changed IS THIS A NEW DIRECTION??
Nijibeggar.

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>>61162229
>Coco has said it was creative differences, she couldn't create the content she wanted under them.
Yeah? Exactly what I fucking said.
She didn't give a fuck about the idol stuff and literally wanted a manager job at first. When it got too much she dipped.
She joined right as the company completely changed.
>>61162294
>shit on your mom
Thanks for placing your country. And you did do that, otherwise you'd not bring them up in your petulant childish outrage, just like you did in this post.
>>61162187
>>61162176
>numberfags
Point proven again

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162227
I almost can't stomach to watch current Aqua now. It hurts.
The Apex tourney with Towa and Suisei was the last thing I watched from her.
I miss nazigumi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162251
I don't know, the Hologirls maybe? Or Honma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162147
>If
Speculations are just that, speculations, we can make the biggest sob story to why they don't stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161943
Retard. You claimed
>You'd be a great Cover manager, disregard the talents healths, stream more stream more MOAR NUMBAR BIGGAR.
Anon rebutted with
>If anything, it's the talents themselves who don't wanna take a break and they have to be forced by management to take one.
And they have talents who take frequent breaks like Gura and Ayame. Nothing to say about the niji manager heckling Yugo with a chart of his dwindling numbers though.

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>>61162355
>She didn't give a fuck about the idol stuff
what's this then?
https://youtu.be/VrvbLKLyGkU
https://youtu.be/ht5B7V-Ikic
>literally wanted a manager job at first
this is a rrat created to divert the chinese's hate for cover towards her

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>>61162355
>Thanks for placing your country. And you did do that, otherwise you'd not bring them up in your petulant childish outrage, just like you did in this post.
Again, you are retarded beyond measure, i was arguing your point that the managers are forcing them to stream and brought examples of Gura and Ayame as counterarguments. Stop being dumb and argue my point, not my beliefs, you don't know anything about what i type here, i'm not even the anon you replied to.
>She didn't give a fuck about the idol stuff
She's literally doing anniversary 3D lives like hololive where she sings and dances, are you retarded anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
you guys acting like soccerfags when your player interact with the other team players

[Anonymous No.]

>>61161943
Nigga wat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162355
You have no argument because it's not like this is a case of quality over quantity.
Male collabs are shit, simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162638
>>61162648
Yeah, she is doing that NOW, well after the fact she left because she never felt like it.
She literally brought up the manager thing many times as Coco, especially in regards to her doing the whole AsaCoco stuff as a way of bringing people up to speed about the other talents.
It was literally the reason she fucking did it in the first place. She made it her "thing" to be a pseudo-manager talent, a thing A-chan has later (especially more so the last couple years) become more involved with compared to her older appearances on the occasion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162227
I prefer 2019 Aqua, but not for niji collab, but because she didn't had Apex brain rot and she streamed way more

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162805
And you have bias - aka no inch in this argument.
I say this and I DON'T even watch any males.
I bet you still even watch the ones who have collabed with males and just ignore the fact they happened.

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>>61162596
Because I know full well how shitty the NijiEN managers are, they're going to have more people quit because of them.
>>61162564
Yet, they can come out with fucking medical certificates and appointments and cunts like you would still ignore it.

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>>61162830
surely you could link to one of the many instances when she talked about applying to be a manager if it happened so many times? no?
also:
https://youtu.be/SwodJntnYBg
https://youtu.be/IhiievWaZMI
https://youtu.be/f_djNpDqm3Q
fuck off back to /r/virtualyoutubers and never talk about her again you dumbfuck nijizhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162830
>she didn't like idol shit, so she left
>now that she left and can do what she wants she's doing idol shit
Anon, what are you saying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162997
>huh?!!?! What do you mean time exists?!?!!
>time passes?!?!! WHAT!? Did I miss the memo?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163027
I think you have brain damage, take your meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163043
Funny coming from someone that doesn't understand how time works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163057
Oh, I understand how time works, in 9 months you're gonna have a brother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163027
>she didn't like idol stuff so she left while doing more idol stuff than ever on her way out
>the next year she had two 3d streams, one of them titled "idol declaration"
>the year after that she had another 3d concert
wow she sure changed a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163027
You say as if there's 5 years between her graduation and others idol activities

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163146
I can only guess that he thinks that being in hololive means that they do concerts every week or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162851
Good points

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>>61163146
You retards are still sperging out years later about the "talent freedom" thing that you still don't understand why she even left in the first place.
And why some others nearly almost left, and why Haachama straight up said she almost left twice. (and why even more have said this year alone have said they almost left, despite holding it in for years)
Hilarious.
Now try to make a new post without typing "vshitshow" and crying.

W-what? You never saw that on your clip channels? Oh, oh dear.

>>61163276
No, they do tiring recordings, dance and vocal lessons though.
Not that your clipwatching ass would know.
All you think they do is sit on their asses streaming all day every day and scream like children when they are away for a day or few.

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>>61162935
>Yet, they can come out with fucking medical certificates and appointments and cunts like you would still ignore it.
Why do you guys always over exaggerate?
Saying she isn't communicative and don't give enough reasons to justify all the breaks isn't the same as asking for her to show every exam she took this year and give an in deep explanation

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163400
Yeah, why would she want to break kayfabe and upset people with potentially really bad news and sour peoples moods.
Some people actually believe in kayfabe and sticking to it and try to keep real life shit out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163332
her leaving has nothing to do with idols or singing or dancing though

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
>What's with the Niji collabs all of a sudden?
You're just paying attention, it's always been a thing between Niji and Holo even before the west got into Vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163332
>they do tiring recordings, dance and vocal lessons though
To be fair, the fans never see this. And the talents don't give details either. It's just "Going to dance lessons!" or "Finishing up a recording!"
How long do they do that? What do they do specifically? It's hard to tell how hard the work is when they're being vague about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163565
I'm aware they talked about some funny things about it but I'm interested in the work aspect

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163332
>No, they do tiring recordings, dance and vocal lessons though.
Oh no, THE HORROR! What they do, they do it for their fans, you think Kson didn't have dance lessons to perform on her anniversary?
hololive caters to each talent wishes, if they wanna do more than a concert and one song at fest per year then they are gonna support them in doing so. There's effort, but there's great reward too. That's why so many people appreciate them, they don't just do reaction videos and play a few games.
Can you tell us anon, the reason why Haachama and the other talents said they wanted to leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163536
No, it has to do with doing too much of it, though.
She was already killing herself slowly with AsaCoco on top of all the other stuff behind the scenes.
She never signed up for that, Gen3, 2, 1, 0 and gamers never signed up for that.
The fact they chose to stay, sure, go for it, it's their lives, but things changed drastically.
The idol stuff was always a joke to them before they decided to take it seriously with the first festival.
There's a reason you barely see many of the early gens now besides 3, who were always called the cabaret gen for a reason - they're fucking exhausted.
And in the case of Shion, she was outright depressed for years regularly missing schedules, and got the nickname "depresshion" (Arguably still is with the way she talks at times)
She reminds me of a friend who is obsessed with League, Aqua as well actually. (who still plays it off-stream regularly, but doesn't on stream because she seems to think it isn't popular anymore despite much evidence to the contrary!)

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>>61162355
>literally wanted a manager job at first
She didn't, she just wanted to manage her own shit because she didn't like her manager
She joked about it in one of the earlier asacocos
They told her she would have to quit vtubing and become a full time manager to do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163760
Had forgot onion was a league addict. Sad to see that she has that numbermonkey brain rot though in which she will only stream things that are popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
If you want to dig deeper, you will find a company that was entirely built around the fact that Sora wanted to be an idol. And not a colab whore playing video games.
At the time, they barely even played video games, it was almost entirely just singing and variety shows.
THAT was the actual original Hololive fanbase. Dozens of people wanting to cheer on an idol trying her best.
Then we had the travesty that you call the "original fabanse", which was Yagoo's shitty, but otherwise NUMERICALLY succesful strategy at the time, that was whoring the girls out for clout. And it's not just homo colabs, the girls went through a lot of shit, including eating bugs on stream and various shitty challenges.
We are talking about a time none of the girls, nor Yagoo wants to go back. We are talking about Yagoo's crying in a corner, and the girls thinking about "what am I even doing with my life?" time. And you have the audacity to call people who liked that, the "original fanbase", and some retards even tries to call it the golden era of hololive.
After they established a sizeable fanbase, they decided to stop that, and go back to its roots. They haven't gone all the way back, but decided to stay on a comfortable middle ground, where the fans get all the stuff an idol would do, but the talents can also do all kinds of streams with a degree of freedom inbetween their idol projects to keep their fanbase entertained.

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>>61164186
Makes me wonder if she will likely play it again given how popular it still is on Twitch.
It's one of the most watched categories even to this day.
The Twitch simulcast changes might even push her to try it out again.
Aqua sure has had her issues with people shitting on her for doing some things, be it Apex or ARK, but if I remember she basically stopped caring. (then again she also barely fucking streams now, which essentially started with the ARK spergout when people attacked her for daring to experiment with the tribes thing)

[Anonymous No.]

>>61164361
I mean if people are willing to watch her spam apex, league can't be too different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61164249
Based
History revisionists always ignore that Sora wanted to be an idol since the beginning, just that fact destroys the "original hololive" that "oldfags" try to paint

[Anonymous No.]

>>61164937
>>61164249
And you fags ignore the fact Cover was started as a tech company.
The tech company nor Sora mattered to their success.
Sorry, shit hurts, but it's true.
Everyone post Sora was the thing that brought it success.
Christmas miracle christmas shmiracle, still didn't matter to Sora, the rest of them outgrew her massively.
That was the "original hololive". Sora was just Sora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61165328
Lol, even after gen 2 debuted Sora was by far the most subbed member, she had 100k while the rest had 20-30k, 100k back then for a vtuber as a lot and she was one of the main names on vtubing, that's a fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>61165328
I'll dumb it down for you, insufferable fucker: everyone in hololive WANTS to do idol stuff. That's what it's really about, seeing your oshi on a shining stage, cheering for her improvement, crying tears of joy etc. If you don't want to do idol stuff then apply to any other company, everyone fucking knows that Hololive has idol activities. If you somehow ended up in Holo without interest in idol stuff and you can't get used to it and don't want to do it no matter what, you should leave and stop dragging everyone down. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61166011
And yet, it was still not the idol stuff that brought them their success. It was superchat culture exploding with gen3 and the cabaret meta taking hold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158107
Shitposters aren't here for facts anon

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>>61166279
Of course not.
And sadly you can barely prove it either because a good CHUNK of them have kept some of their old archives private from the mass-private mess from the permissions arc.
As Miko said, roughly, "that was the older me".
Newfags will never hear Luna playing the Old McDonald BGM on loop. Jesus fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156190
>>61156306
>>61158107
Go Back

[Anonymous No.]

I love EN newfrens who are very invested in the console wars

[Anonymous No.]

>>61166145
>hololive got even more idol like after gen 3 debuted
>it was superchat culture who made them popular
Holy mental gymnastics

[Anonymous No.]

>>61166145
>superchat culture
google idol handshake ticket, the results will surprise you

[Anonymous No.]

>>61162265
>*get's BTFO*
>I-I told the truth!!
pathetic cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>61166890
>>61166973
And yet, that still did not matter as it was the superchat meta that got them the money they did.
The idol stuff and merch only came much MUCH later in terms of income gained when they finally stopped making cheap shit that nobody wanted and started making actually half decent things (mainly due to the cash injection from investors and sponsors recently, particularly uh, fuck, b..Bushiroad, almost forgot the name)
Don't even try to pretend it was any different. They baited superchats for years exactly because of that. Lengthy superchat bait streams have gotten less simply because they get so many of them and people even superchat to prevent them leaving. (which is sometimes done in a trolling spiteful way rather than a "ha ha funny joke" way)
It was always dumb because it lost them so much money to Youtube.
I'd rather have BOUGHT that cheap shit merch over giving a single superchat given all the bullshit Youtube does on a yearly basis.
Thankfully that is no longer the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61167179
>Btfo
Flinging shit isn't btfoing anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>61167416
superchat culture can coexist with the idol system, you can easily make a parallel with irl idol fans buying multiple copies of albums instead of superchats

[Anonymous No.]

>>61167546
I'm not saying it can't. I'm simply saying the superchat stuff did the most for them earlier on.
The big merch push to diversify their income was only a recent thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159982
Diehard fan here, I have no idea what this is so it's probably made up. She has never talked about any specific Nijis on stream and has known about them blacklisting her forever so she has never tried to collab with any of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Anon learns that there are JP members who like JP Niji members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61159263
it's only a matter of time; she's a big fan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NbpJEortbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhE0PlrGWeo

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
But nothing changed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61169828
Yeah, Miko really loves Nijisanji. She loves them so much that she didn't interact with them for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61170911
Because she decided to change her tone when the money was good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Hololeeching.

[Anonymous No.]

Niji was doing the collab bans feeling superior about themselves. But then their viewership started tanking, so they suddenly want collabs. It's slimy behavior of disgusting people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61172772
>Koyori leeching of Lize
Quite a stretch but possible since Lize is one of the biggest female nijis
>Miko leeching from Suo
Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>61173682
Ngo has a lot of mainstream popularity in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61173682
Do you think all vtubers have the same viewers or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156342
That just means they never wanted to be a walled garden, almost everyone just quarantined them to avoid pissing off the Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61165328
Roru, This retard arguing about how old he is and how he know original Hololive better than anyone yet when got told the fact about Sora he instantly deflect "f-for me it doesn't really what makes them big so it doesn't count", for Cover being tech company you can say it doesn't really matter since they are essentially different branch of the company while Sora is literally the blueprint of Hololive, Also a lot of oldfag LARPer like you always parroting how Hololive always Collab with outside Hololive which is a stretch, Collabs are always rare content never main content, most of the time they are solo, Only clipfag would say otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>61173310
Wow, that's so petty of them.
It's a bit odd however how they only singled out Hololive but none of the other corpos or prominent indies. They also kept collabing with random 2views and even included them in their biggest projects.
Another weird thing is that they didn't ban all the Holos for some reason, only a select few. They didn't care that Okayu collabed with Shiina, Matsuri with HSKW, or Suisei with Toko, but somehow they thought that Miko collabing with Shiba was a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61177534
They also told indies to stop collabs with holos. Literally evil

[Anonymous No.]

>>61164937
I'm guessing newfags memoryholed this but a lot of the old Holos have talked about being uncomfortable with Hololive changing to the idol route because they weren't like that when they signed up. Basically right when Gen 4 debuted they started advertising themselves as an idol group rather than a vtuber group. I specifically remember an Okayu clip of her talking about it because she joined to be a Hololive Gamer then they wanted to get her on stage. But those 3-4 year old streams and clips are deleted now so you can just make up whatever so who cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156190
>Back to the days when nobody watched them and they were always on the verge of graduation because they weren't making money.
You just might get your wish if this shit keeps up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61177940
>Gamers
The fat cat didn't even liked her voice, she just got in hololive because they said it was a branch for gaming only but eventually they turned gen 2.5

[Anonymous No.]

>>61176566
>Roru
Your ass only started watching from 2021 at most.
Your kind don't get a say here.
Sora never mattered at a certain point, this is a fact. She literally only blew up because of that one christmas stream.
She hit her peak (at the time) then others shot by. (unlike the other lying cunt earlier)
Sora was always a comfy slow streamer, which isn't as engaging to the majority who always seek out loud and big characters - that's why Pekora and Gura are now the image of the company. (although I'd rather watch her over either of them to be fair. On that note I wonder how Kotone is, I miss the regular collabs they had...)
Sora never even gained much ground from the anime.
>>61177940
Exactly. They were all a bunch of hikkis and neets in some instances,
They sure grew in that time, but none of them expected or signed on for this.
Look at Noel especially.
Still expecting a couple graduations sooner or later. Some are clearly over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61178484
I'm watching since 2nd SoraSong Yumeiro Asterisk, Sora is the only one who is not a literal who entire 2018, Don't try me, newfag

[Anonymous No.]

Newfags pretending to be oldfags will always be funny. Their 17th hand info on the history of Hololive revised so many times by dumb clipplefags with broken English.
Saying how "Sora wanted to be an idol" and don't even realize Cover tried to do multiple things at once, most of which failed (understandably so, they have a fucking habit of stretching themselves thin and were close to dying when the China mess happened)
Probably don't even know Miko was a whole different project before she was rolled in to Hololive. And the fact that she nearly fucking quit over its failure and basically nobody knowing about her, and the lack of people at the meet and greet that devastated her.
Although they thankfully revived the idea of doing silly shorts when they had more people to actually make it worthwhile and now we have Hologra, so in a sense it wasn't a total failure.
There's a reason they are called Gen0 - they never had a fucking clue what they wanted to do and were just seeing what stuck to the wall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179435
>Saying how "Sora wanted to be an idol" = clipfag
? Tf are you talking about retard and there is no reason they are called gen 0 it's just their pretend gen name they just got grouped together

[Anonymous No.]

Learn how to read, fucktard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179657
Stop embarrassing yourself moron, Fucking LARPer acting like gen 0 is real gen and have any reason behind their now, you're a 2019 clipfag at best just shut up

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179724
I literally explained why they are called gen 0, you barely intelligible fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179764
There is no reason behind gen 0 you dumbfuck and saying all of them don't know what they want to do in the beginning is just plain wrong, Sora said she wants to be an idol since her debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179897
I literally said that. You are reading it wrong, you ESL fuck.
And why Gen 0 is a thing. Which you also didn't read (or most likely didn't understand)

[Anonymous No.]

>>61163760
>>61164186
>doesn't on stream because she seems to think it isn't popular anymore
What? Isn't it because of the Chinese?
They used her League song as a rallying cry against Hololive
Has Aqua even touched Valorant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179435
>Saying something Sora said on her first youtube video is being a clipfag
I don't even know where you are going with that argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>61179435
>And the fact that she nearly fucking quit over its failure and basically nobody knowing about her, and the lack of people at the meet and greet that devastated her.

Do you have a source on that? I'd like to know more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61173310
I think it was to protect their bug money. some investors probably looked at their numbers and realized they don't actually get much from china

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Well here is my theory: Riku has admited defeat, his brand crashed in flames everywhere outside of Japan and he's starting to feel the heat, he swallowed his pride and asked Yagoo for help, Yagoo still remembers those times that niji helped them when they were in bad times and wanted to repay the favor by sharing some clout to the girls at niji everywhere they can (with the exception of ID as it was too late to rescue the branch), in exchange as part of the deal anykara would share clout to some of the holo boys or maybe they will cease all furtive actions, who knows, maybe Yagoo will help for free, maybe there isn't an official agreement really, it could be one sided too.
I have no receipts nor evidence to support my claims, all of the above is just speculation, ramblings of a crazy schizoid schizophrenic who just had a wild dream and bla bla bla, belev at your own risk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61181611
I think they were starting to work together to combat harassment or something along the lines so maybe your schizo rambling are not too far off from reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61180914
Jesus you are thick as fuck.
>>61181000
Fuck if I remember what stream, she brings it up almost yearly at random.
I do remember her once mentioning it in a Minecraft stream and how Mio helped her out because that's when the whole transfer happened when they were in the middle of auditions. Actually someone else was involved but I cannot remember for the life of me who.
She had also brought it up later down the line how she was sad she was letting down YAGOO and even saw him crying over it at one point.
That also made her even more paranoid when she went on that long break to recover because she thought everyone would have moved on.
35p stuck by her though.
I hope Haachama can come back to that fanfare soon. God I miss her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61160022
They don't invite her to the VCR Ark server because she doesn't have ties with the usual regulars of these events. Aki only could get an invitation because Towa vouch for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61182068
>Mio helped her out because that's when the whole transfer happened when they were in the middle of auditions.

I'm guessing this was very early on, do you know of an approximate date they held those auditions? And If you don't mind me asking, what was the transfer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61160426
They were bff. Nobuhime was literally crying in their last collab. So, it's kind of jarring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61178484
>Look at Noel especially.
WHORE

[Anonymous No.]

>>61182715
Oooft, uhhh, fuck.
I don't think Korone and Okayu were brought in at that time, just Mio and Fubuki in Gamers.
Like, 2019? Early-mid 2019 I think?
The transfer being in to Hololive proper instead of the separate 3.5p thing.
>>61182847
Yeah but she's cute so it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61182107
Kson herself wasn't saying "i couldn't make VCR ark because of nijisanji" all she was saying was "nijisanji don't like me" but people falsely interpret it as her saying nijisanji blocked her from joining a server/event she had no clue existed in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>61168004
Anon might have confused it with the Ironmouse bday thing where Kson showed up and Fulgur suddenly disconnected

[Anonymous No.]

>>61183173
>>61182715
Between this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z_eIGhMQEY
And this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KDi9d0imI
She was still 3.5 channel in first.

Still makes me laugh Subaru kept that server up the whole time.
They should integrate it with the current Holoserver on a new world.
I'm sure Miko never even noticed the name on the coaster originally, probably because of her hilarious English blindness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
niji needs numbers. holo paying back when niji was popular back then and helping holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>61155559
Or maybe there is a mass graduation incoming, seem more likely honnestly than the alphabet shit not being canned. Maybe niji total collapse is around the corner between their cursed reputation and the economic situation, and riku still buying more yachs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61183173
>>61183851
Thanks, I'll check It out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61183519
here's a timeline for all you idiots out there
>kson is planned to partake in some unknown large scale collab (possibly hosted by ironmouse or scarra) which also includes nijiEN members
>nijiEN management says their talents can't come if she's there
>she chooses to not attend because she doesn't want them to be excluded
>nijiEN members apologize to her on their private discord accounts
>she does an unarchived t2 members stream where she's upset about still being treated like this
>later posts a members post with most of the same stuff from that stream
>months later she finds out about the server and wonders why she never knew about that or was invited
>chatter suggests it's probably because there's nijisanji members there
>she agrees that's a possible reason ("nijisanji hates me" clip)
>nijizhangs start pretending that she attacked niji for no reason at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184010
The main issue is quite a few older streams are missing, but it's a small enough time period really.
Things sort of moved quickly in that period so it is hard to know for sure without those, or watching them all again and see if she brings it up exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184141
>>months later she finds out about the server and wonders why she never knew about that or was invited
>>chatter suggests it's probably because there's nijisanji members there
the point is that the chatter was wrong in suggesting/assuming that, she just doesn't hang in the same circles as the usual people who participate in VCR events. the ark/gta/rust servers usually have more people but in general it's all chuubas, streamers and celebs that are involved in FPS circles and usually participate in the same tournaments together - tournaments which kson wasn't even taking part in when she was still a holo so it makes sense she doesn't know anyone.
the rest is absolutely true, nijisanji most likely has her on a blacklist and she's being treated unfairly because of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184343
>>61184010
Have this one as well just for old times sake.
When she revisited the old Minecraft server.
I always keep this one bookmarked just because it brought back so many fun times
https://youtu.be/WvUMrObaW_k?t=17114
Random talks about the old server during superchats and just decides to check to see if it would work and to her surprise it absolutely did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184657
Added to the list.

[Anonymous No.]

Unity chads keep winning

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184545
but she's not in any of those events or tournaments because of nijis and other china panderers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>61185463
how much apex and valorant does she play?
and nijisanji is not involved in organizing those events. the biggest names in those events are not even nijis they're japanese facecam twitch streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61185761
you still don't understand this concept huh
she will never be allowed anywhere where there's also nijis because all the nijis would have to not participate, any event organizer will chose them over her

[Anonymous No.]

>>61185917
i know what blacklisting means i think you don't get that i'm referring to this specific instance. she doesn't interact with the other streamers involved even when there's no nijis, it's just not her usual circles as evidenced by the fact she didn't even know the server was happening.
that's all i'm saying, i never said anything about the blacklisting because that part is true and the collab bans/restrictions are always on nijisanji's side even in the case of hololive talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61185761
Exactly.
VCR could just blacklist Nijisanji and honestly not much would change. Only a small number of them are interested in it.
I mean it would fucking suck because I love the ones that are interested in it, especially Ars and Ririmu, especially the latter because Ririmu really gets in to it at times.
But they still have all the FPS fiends in other groups.
Either way, I'd be surprised if they even do ARK again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184141
>kson is planned to partake in some unknown large scale collab (possibly hosted by ironmouse or scarra) which also includes nijiEN members
kson never mentioned anything like this, unless you got a clip of scarra talking about it then it's made up
>nijiEN management says their talents can't come if she's there
this is probably made up, but it is factual that niji has her on their blacklist
>she chooses to not attend because she doesn't want them to be excluded
again, she never mentioned anything about this event
>nijiEN members apologize to her on their private discord accounts
it is factual that she communicated with niji members on their personal accounts at some point after the taiwan thing, which is when they blacklisted her, but she has never said when this occurred
>she does an unarchived t2 members stream where she's upset about still being treated like this
that's not what that stream was about, it was just something she vented about for a bit on the side since it was tangentially related
>later posts a members post with most of the same stuff from that stream
see above

the last 4 points did happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184545
You don't need to be in the FPS circles or be close with the organizers to get invited. All you need to do is ask for an invite or know someone who can vouch for you. The earlier servers had tons of literal whos who had never been in any kind of tournament or event, and many didn't even play FPS games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156146
ohhh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>61184141
>she attacked niji for no reason at all
well yeah, nijien having her on a blacklist doesn't necessarily mean anything
she just decided she was probably blocked from joining without even trying
they let them participate in open servers with literal whos, animal abusers and child molesters, so i sincerely doubt niji management does any vetting at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>61195050
nijis and holos won't be allowed to play on public multiplayer servers that include her

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156544
>seething rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>61156544
Oh look, a newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158768
*Mumei
Did you forget she did a Niji collab, newfag?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not going to say it's good or bad, I'm only surprised people who deny there's been a very noticeable opening up of holo recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61199272
Tribalfags will deny reality rather than acknowledge that their tribe has done something silly in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61199272
Holo is not the one opening up, its Nijisanji loosening the collab ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>61187465
She's a fuckin CIA agent funneling money to Israel

[Anonymous No.]

>>61183987
do they?

[Anonymous No.]

I want a Choco x Luis collab
A Mito x Lui Collab
a ange x Marine collab
a Haachama x Noraneko collab
a Shion x Amamiya collab
and a HSKW x Lamy drinking off collab that ends up as an offpako

[Anonymous No.]

>>61158559
The Chinese are scared of EN. They don't give a shit about the One China policy. Most in the US don't even know about it.