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Why aren't they the leader in vtubing market?

>> No.61122140

incompetence.

>> No.61122218

>>61121920
Management is incompetent and blew a headstart, blew Salome's popularity, blew a lot of good will Hololive fans could have had for them, etc.

>> No.61122273

>>61121920
publicly traded and owned by the chinese

>> No.61122469

Why do you make the same threads about them every hour of every day

>> No.61122663

>>61121920
Incompetence

>> No.61123578

>>61122140
fpbp

>> No.61123808

>>61122140
Gotta agree with anon here. Occum's razor and all that.

>> No.61124221
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61124221

How did Nijisanji fuck up THIS badly? What the hell, I've never seen a collapse like this before, not even once.

>> No.61124239

>>61121920
Chinese

>> No.61124363
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They are the leading company in Vtubing though. Like it or hate it but it's a fact.

>> No.61124373

>>61121920
Riku spends too much time cruising on his yacht instead of tard wrangling the company's incompetent management

>> No.61124426

>>61121920
Turns out shitting half baked chuubas every week isn't the best method

>> No.61124465

>>61121920
Terrible talent scouting. Incompetent management. An ethos centred around the idea that "Quantity > Quality"

>> No.61124466

>>61124221
She got touted as the Gura Killer cause of her massive growth. This thus cursed her with small numbers, as all touted Gura Killers.

>> No.61124480

>>61124363
Leading in name recognition, dying in metrics and income which is what matters to shareholders. Think about all the name brands you hear just suddenly saying they're going bankrupt.

>> No.61124885

>>61122140
Nijisanji being compared to a prison by their own vtubers shows that for all the problems with Hololive management that Nijisanji is worse.

>> No.61125329

>>61121920
They're the leaders, at least in the Japanese market, which is the biggest one.

>> No.61126878

>>61125329
living in the past?

>> No.61127012

their logo for starters

>> No.61127115

>>61126878
>Higher market share
>Higher stock numbers
>Higher reported profits
He's right, they are indeed the biggest in Japan.

>> No.61127146

>>61127115
2022 called they want their talking points back

>> No.61127180

>>61121920
they are the leader.....at oversaturating their talent

>> No.61127272

>>61127146
Kinda sounds like you're coping pretty hard

>> No.61127660

>>61127115
Nah, their profits for JP skyrocketed this year, in fact I think it's the most money they've made since the company was made. They've had multiple concerts and events this year which definitely helped.

>> No.61127915

>>61127660
Who holo or Niji? Either way Niji remains at the top. According to each financial report they release they're getting about 2x the profits. Which is pretty impressive since we're talking billions of yen in an incredibly small area of the world

>> No.61128084

>>61121920
The real question is why you numberfaggots arent in your containment thread. Plenty of good reasons to hate on Niji and you pick nooombers.

>> No.61128168

>>61121920
Incompetence, they had the opportunity to have the monopoly of vtubers in the world, but a red girl saying the n word from a ping pong VR company beat them. It's as if a homeless man had found a lottery ticket and now he's as powerful as a billionaire. So they deserve it

>> No.61128215

>>61121920
They are the leader because Hololive failed miserable at male vtubers

>> No.61128333

>>61121920
I could go on and on and list a multitude of issues. But that would take away from "fuck op's mom time" and that is precious to me, so I will refrain

>> No.61128388

>>61121920
Their niche which was dominant in Japan has too much competition in EN and other markets

>> No.61128504

>>61121920
what do you mean no-one can beat them in number of graduations, they are like a leading school or something

>> No.61128576

>>61122140
Fpbp

They’re only recognizable in name only at this point. Even their jp members aren’t doing too well anymore.

>> No.61130999

They absolutely blow Hololive out of the water when it comes to superchats and merch sales, though

>> No.61132297

>>61121920
They're still clinging to the domestic market, but Nijisanji might lose it in a few years.

>> No.61133223

>>61130999
proof? top 10 superchatted channels in the world 6 are still hololive while its only 1 nijisanji and the other 3 arent even vtubers

>> No.61133348

>>61133223
inb4 >muh rushia >muh coco
even if you take those out it remains the same as 11 is aqua and 13 is watame

>> No.61134118

>>61128084
Most of those reasons come back as numbers
>people start to dislike you = less watched
Niji just is alive because a handful of members are great, you can kill 80% of the company overnight that majority of the fans won't care

>> No.61135790

>>61121920
because mikarin and 110-chan went to hololive

>> No.61136686

>>61124221
Riku stopped paying for Portuguese view bots

>> No.61137424

>>61121920
They used to rule the world...

>> No.61137447

>>61121920
They are.
>>61122140
>>61122218
But enough about Hololive's entire management.
>>61122273
But enough about pandering to the Chinese for a whole year.

>> No.61137508

>>61126878
Living in denial?

>> No.61137568

>>61133223
Facts and figures in their financial reports. Blow Hololive out of the fucking water.

>> No.61137751

>>61137568
Nijisanji = quantity over quality
they prioritize pumping out massive numbers of low quality vtubers, without any management or planning behind them, often just assigning random people to random models.
This turns out to be profitable especially when you have a sea of chinese fujos paying $20 for a shitty button.

>> No.61138011

>>61137751
None of that has anything to do with superchats and merch sales retard

>> No.61138283

>>61137751
Yeah, when the huge chuck of profit comes from merch, having 100 vtubers with 1k viewers with 500 of those viewers each being paypiggies is more profitable than having 10 vtubers with 20k viewers but only 2k each being paypiggies.

>> No.61139397

>>61138283
Nice description of all VTubing companies, retard

>> No.61139633

>>61121920
theyre number 1 in japan and china, the only countries that actually care about vtubers

>> No.61139701

>>61139633
>and china
ASoul exists anon.

>> No.61142372

>>61121920
But they are in Japan. Hololive will surpass them, though. Niji really stunted their growth.

>> No.61142456

>>61121920
Owned by Chinese
dead end

>> No.61142764

>>61124480
They're publicly traded and we could see the numbers. You know that, right?

>> No.61143228

>>61142764
And they are going down. Your point?

>> No.61143583

>>61121920
They go after a wider but more casual audience while also trying to balance trying to attract hardcore yumes as well for some of their dudes. Basically they're trying to have their cake and eat it too and what we see with nijiEN probably will eventually happen with many if not most of the major moneymakers for JP when someone fucks up and starts lecturing the audience condescindingly instead of apologizing for breaking the illusion of their character.

>> No.61143585

>>61121920
>co-ed
>quantity over quality
>incompetent management
>Riku not as involved as he used to

>> No.61143753
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>>61143228
>t.

>> No.61144200

All out war!!!

>> No.61146491

>>61121920
An entertainment company depends on it's roster to become a popular group and eventually number 1 in the industry.
Nijisanji simply doesn't have talents with enough charisma to rival the competition.
That's why they aren't the leader in vtubing market.

>> No.61146567

>>61121920
only for 6 months in 2018/2019

>> No.61147431

>>61121920
they was
in Japan

>> No.61150018

>>61121920
Specifically for NijiEN, it's a combination of losing the image of "being a group of old friends bantering and playing games together" and having all the downsides of being a JP corpo. The first one is affected by their dramas, new debuts (can someone really be meaningful friends with so many different people?), and terminations/graduations. It's also affected by indies being around for so long. It's been like 2-3 years right? There are better and more contained vtuber group of friends if that's your thing. The second is about perms and corporate expectations. NijiEN seems to get a lot of their content ideas from Twitch streamers. That really sucks because of JP perms and management autism. In addition, NijiEN will have to train their audience to like that type of content in a stream format. Unless the viewers are all from Twitch, the YouTube audience is going to be familiar with that content through edited YouTube videos. There can be a lot of downtime especially if the vtubers can't be as unfiltered and inexperienced as the Twitch streamers, which can cause problems due to expectations not matching reality. I do hope the talents figure something out that they enjoy doing and are allowed to do, either with AnyColor or somewhere else.

>> No.61151824

>>61150018
NijiEN fumbled on two things that only became a problem later in their first year:
>They debuted 10 girls before any dude
>There was this push for a group of friends you mention
There's no way they could keep up the expectations created from both these things and this cost them a lot of enfranchised viewers when things started crumbling.

>> No.61152050

>>61121920
Almost entirely NijiEN's fault. Their management is abysmal and they debut the talents way too close to each other. NijiJP management isn't perfect but they would sure as hell do a better job than whatever the fuck EN's management is doing.

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>>61121920
>Why aren't they the leader in vtubing
They're definitely the industry leader in some aspects

>> No.61152439

>>61121920
They are though? They don't call it the NjiiHolo duopoly for no reason.

>> No.61152594

>>61122218
>blew Salome's popularity
Anycolor actually succeeded with Salome.
Botting her fooled millions into believing she was the next hot thing to make Anycolor's then newly public stocks more enticing.
And that is to say the best things Anycolor can do are fraudulent.

>> No.61152823

Why do brown people spend so much time on convincing themselves that popular things aren't popular? What exactly is this supposed to achieve?

>> No.61153503

>>61152204
KEK

>> No.61153584

>>61122140
They always find a way to yab, truly the Microsoft of the vtubing world.

>> No.61153621

>>61124221
Nijisanji decided to stop paying the botters, they left.

>> No.61153705

>>61124466
No one fucking cares about gura you retarded chumbud.

>> No.61153794

>>61121920
I used to rule the world...

>> No.61153864

>>61137447
NIJISEETHE

>> No.61154127

>>61121920
They are, but in reverse

>> No.61155540

>>61122140
That is all that's needed to be said

>> No.61155722

>>61121920
Hololive is better, simple as

>> No.61155822

>>61150018
can someone give me a qrd about the nijiEN internal drama?

>> No.61156616
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>>61121920
Allow me to illustrate this with an example
This is Shizuka Rin
She was shilled by pewdiepie back in 2019 and went viral
This is where she is now
I hope that helps you understand why nijisanji can't take off

>> No.61157834

>>61122140
/thread

>> No.61158121

wow another niji thread. meanwhile all the suisei and pekora threads are gone. this shithole is truly a holoboard. rename to /hl/ when?

>> No.61158155

>>61121920
80% of the people they hire are schizos or hate other humans ->see Zaion, Nina and Mysta

>> No.61158337

>>61124221
>I've never seen a collapse like this before, not even once.
Nice job admitting (You) weren't even around in 2020.

>> No.61158359

>>61158121
Always has been, seethe about it

>> No.61161456

>>61153705
NIJISEETHE

>> No.61161632

>>61158121
Even if this place was a Nijiboard, fucking anti-Vtuber threads should be removed. It's not mostly Niji fans shitting on Holo drama these days, it's the JP anti-Vtuber "normies" who have too much free time kek

>> No.61161797

>>61121920
Like most public traded companies, they don't think long term, only inthe immediate horizon of shareholder profits.

>> No.61162269

>>61127115
well when you barely pay your talents and suck up all of their merch income, of course you'll make more money.

>> No.61162350

>>61162269
Cover has higher profit margins though

>> No.61162520

>>61162350
That's because their talents move product, like a shit ton of product, not to mention their percentages from all the collabs with restaurants and cafes.

>> No.61162556

>>61153705
Gura could graduate tomorrow for all I care, but the Gura Killer curse is real and Salome paid the price.

>> No.61162643

>>61162520
Holos don't get paid for promo work?

>> No.61163205

>>61121920
They are, in the only country that matters: Japan.

>> No.61164485

>>61163205
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>> No.61164620

>>61121920
They have the worst fans and the blackest management

>> No.61165350

>>61121920
They're leading in the drama market

>> No.61166826

>>61158337
nijicope

>> No.61167173

>>61121920
they are, the corpo makes loads of cash. they just dont invest any of that back into the talents

>> No.61169455

they are tho

>> No.61170038

>>61121920
Shitty black company, abysmally bad talents with extremely bad takes on everything, no income for talents so no motivation to work.

>> No.61170479

Thread still being filled with fanfic without a single point of data to back up any claim.

>> No.61173726

>>61170479
welcome to the writing general I hope you enjoy your stay

>> No.61175548

They literally are, what even is this thread? anycolor is the first in revenue, profit and any relevant metric, mainly coming from Nijisanji (aka JP)

>> No.61175745

>>61175548
nijicope

>> No.61181702

>>61121920
lol

>> No.61181990
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>>/vt/thread/58498184

>> No.61183336

anyone saying incompetence is stupid.
niji is a black company, their mistakes are done intentionally.

>> No.61184639

>>61156616
They don't cater to eops?

>> No.61184800

>>61184639
Rin doesn't cater to anyone. She has her own brand of autism where she will play whatever she wants 20 hours per day for a week straight. That said, if you're a member she has a guild on XIV and do things like joining a fan server for RUST (no voice comms) so at least her gachi are very well fed.

>> No.61184929

>>61184639
that guy actually thinks normalfags invading her chat and demanding she sing country roads for the nth fucking time is a good thing

>> No.61184932

>>61121920
riku-sama dedicated all resources to pleasing investors and as a result, everyone working for nijisanji suffers which leads to the general attitude being incompetence and malicious, bullying, cliques, etc..

>> No.61185113

>>61175548
How about top-of-mind awareness?

>> No.61189766

>>61121920

>> No.61194795

>>61122218
agreed here

>> No.61197470

>>61184800
Yeah, she's basically Hana in terms of choosing to debuff herself and the only reason she isn't treated the same as Hana is because NijiJP isn't in the same condition as nijiID. Yet.

>> No.61197772

>>61184929
Meanwhile normal fags invading fubuki's chat over scatman became holofags

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