/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

just found out the reason i enjoy vtubers that much, specially the ones that makes asmr

is because apparently i have mommy issues that made unable to trust into anyone irl but barely animated png
this is why y'all idolise vtubers too? you need a "fake" feeling of attachment towards a female figure

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>>61097685
I know this is low quality bait, but I'll bite anyways.
Trust issues make it easier to enjoy a one-sided parasocial relationship since there is no obligation on your end. If you just tune in, she gives free validation/support/pretends to love you, just like any rental GF where you pay for the service. She expects nothing from you, and you don't need to pay a single cent as a greyname, who gets almost the same experience for free. She can't "betray" you since she doesn't even know you exist and you have no obligation to her. There's something reassuring about having someone who expects absolutely nothing from you, and you can purely "take" without needing to give anything in return (i.e. mommy vibes). Real people require a give and take, which can be hard for emotionally traumatized individuals.

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>>61097685
im here with you, man. just let it out..

[Anonymous No.]

>>61097890
>I know this is low quality bait, but I'll bite anyways.

no man this is nothing but a bait, probably is just my poor english
point is, i tried to date someone and get out of my confort zone
however the moment i try to approach someone i can't stop thinking about how badly would things end if i ever accomplish something

somehow my mindset has turned into "no risk no lose" i do not wish o accomplish anything because of the risk of somehow losing and having to clean up the aftermath
i always expect the worst of the people even with my closest friend i slowly stoped talking to them so i don't fuck up any sort of relationship

fuck i even started having sex with prostites in past few month (while listening to vtuber karaokes)

and that somehow filled a void but a couple of weeks but not anymore i live in constant fear of how long until everything i love gets taken away from me

i loved kiryu coco until the chonks take it away from me

i loved fauna until she spoke shit about the parasocials

fuck i even started watching a cute 100 views from a small corpo who got graduated when i started enjoying her

>>61097906
thanks anon

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>>61098695
If it's not bait, then glad to have you on board the GFE ASMR train. It's probably the best copium we can find, and it's free as long as you keep a healthy distance and know that it's a fantasy. Nothing wrong with going the full pay2play route, especially since it's often easier to just pay for what you want rather than trying to play games and "earn" affection the "legit" way.
I can definitely relate to the trust issues portion, since it's REALLY hard to find anyone to trust in the modern world, much less when seeking out a relationship. The biggest aspect of "pandering" for a guy is to be unconditionally loved and find a space where we can be vulnerable about our woes. However, any of that sappy bullshit is absolute relationship poison, and despite what most women say, that weakness will cause them to dry up like the sahara. You NEED to stay strong at all times and be there as a leader/provider/emotional support pillar, or else you are considered defective.
I wouldn't say our method of coping is necessarily the healthiest nor does it allow you the "highest" forms of emotional connection, but it's a safe bet among a sea of far worse options. Real relationships are hard and upwards of 80-90% are defective 1/10, but that tiny percentage that work might be a 10/10. Maybe it's better to just settle for a stable 6/10 baseline with copium without taking the risk of ruining your life or becoming even more traumatized.

[Anonymous No.]

Idol appreciation is historic and precedented in the human species. We've been doing it since Caananite times. Human prophets of the divine.
Humans crave a pure and righteous figure to provide motivation and inspiration to make it through their daily activities. It can't be something as nebulous and untouchable as a God, but it can't be something as real and everday as a wife. It needs to be a seemingly incorruptible representation of an ideal human.
It's not uncommon to appreciate such things, despite christianity's demands that idol worship cease, they created their own idols in Jesus Christ, the mother mary, the desert fathers, the saints, the pope...
I don't think it's fake or fictional persay. Idols step into their roles largely aware of what they're doing, and the tradeoff of attention and fame vs. strict physical beauty and character conditions.

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>>61097685
some of these bitches got nice voices and i like to hear them ramble about inane things while i continue to do other inane things to pass the time.

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>>61097685
Fags itt are overcomplicating shit. Humans are wired to need humans, even if there's no benefits, and we aren't getting any attention from real women so we've picked surrogates. I'm too autistic to deal with people, so a png fills the gap.
Will I die if I don't fall asleep listening to sleepy's dumb ass being scared while playing the resi remake? No.
Will I get sad and be unable to function for the best part of the next day? Yes.

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>>61099486
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.]

>>61098695
>i loved fauna until she spoke shit about the parasocials
how is this not bait?

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>>61099681
the moment she spoke about not wanted to befriends with her fans something just felt wrong

is like a fourth wall break, it just broke the immersion
like you know you'll never stand a chance but it hurts the momment she actually admits it

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>>61099774
bro, every interaction before that and after that has been the same though
she's content with keeping the current relationship that exists continuing

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>>61099774
she told chat that real-life relationships are worth striving for and can give you more than streamer-watcher relationships can

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>>61099774
I am not saying this to be a dick but you should give therapy a shot. I did after a similar incident a while back and feel way better about myself now. Just keep in mind that if you're honest about why you're there it will only help you. Whether or not you go I wish you well

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Ok deadbeat

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>>61100076
but simply live with the pain cost $0..

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>>61099933
is true but still, somehow feels wrong, like finding a pineapple on a pepperoni pizza it doesn't affects the whole thing at all but still makes you wonder how it happen and what could happen next, was it just a slip they just don't care about your order

>>61100010
except that i can't, i just can't trust people anymore i always expect the worst from them

>>61100076
i know i am wrong and that my mindset will not lead to a good place but somehow i do not wish to change, i lost any hope in trying to change because i feel like chaging would make me vulnerable to what would happen next
i know it doesn't make sense but that's just how i feel rn

i feel in need to a figure i can idolize, i feel like i need to accomplish something not for me but for someone else
i can't live for myself i need to do things for someone else, but i have nobody so i feel like i lost any purpose or goal

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>>61097685
>y'all

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>>61099774
You're not high enough IQ to realise that the "bad feeling" you got when she said that was from knowing all the shit posting she was about to attract, not because of any cringy parasocial retardation.

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>>61097685
>>61098695
>>61099774
>>61100746
JFC you need help jakartan

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>>61099156
Based schizo

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>>61100579
>>61100076
Indeed, GFE copium is the free alternative, akin to self-medicating with any combination of weed/alc/etc. If you can control it to a non-life destructive way, it's far cheaper than therapy, which is a bit of a hit or miss. A lot can be solved from introspection/meditation and therapy, but for those who have thought it through and have something closer to philosophical/existential pain likely can't be solved. Plenty of therapists are also stuck to very rigid industry standards that don't really understand your issues (i.e. something similar to successful normie women telling you just to "be yourself" when you're a shutin NEET weeb probably isn't helpful).
Maybe meds can help, but that's also questionable as to whether it helps or hurts. Ultimately it doesn't solve any of your problems, it just takes the edge off the worst pain.

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>>61100746
I'm probably the least parasocial schizo on this board, but even I can somewhat relate to the idea. While her "we're not real friends" quote has been blown way out of proportion (since it's a good reality check to filter actual gachikoi unicorns), there's something to be said about breaking the illusion. I still like Fauna ASMR, but knowing too much about her PL does ruin the experience.
It's like renting a hooker escort to go on a GFE date with you, and halfway through she talks about how she went to this place with her ACTUAL bf. Like bitch, I know you have a BF and this is a rental service, but put some tact in that kayfabe ok? You know it, I know it, but we don't need to hear it right now.
Even if we know it coming in, something about it still feels uncomfortable and can turn people off from the experience.

>>61100010
False parasocial relationships are indeed unhealthy, and should be used like any other coping drug (in moderation). That said, while real relationships SHOULD be the target for any healthy functioning normal person.....who the hell do you think we are? If we were normies, we wouldn't be /here/ listening to GFE ASMR. For the invalids, schizos, incels, and emotionally damaged, real relationships were never an option, and this is the next best thing. Don't even get me started on the already garbage relationship/marriage/birth rates across the entire first world, how the average guy is already doomed to begin with, wage slaving and gold digging galore in 3dpd, etc. If the AVERAGE guy already has it that bad, what hope is there for the bottom percentile?
Exactly, sex dolls and AI waifus. Vtubers are just the pre-alpha test since we don't have the proper technology yet. If we can love an avatar piloted by a normie 3dpd white woman, we will definitely love the improved, customized, always online, 100% dedicated to (You) AI waifu where you are her sole viewer. Simps already dropping akasupas to get their oshi to just acknowledge their existence, now you can have her be all yours...for the low low subscription of $99.99 a month (or whatever Microsoft will charge for it).

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>>61099156
>nor does it allow you the "highest" forms of emotional connection, but it's a safe bet among a sea of far worse options
I agree with this. I've been stabbed in the back too many times to bother trying anymore. I realize I'll never truly be happy, but I can settle for just being slightly miserable. The risk of an heroing if I try again and only getting another dagger wound to show for it is simply too high.

>>61099774
You're a fucking retard.

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>>61097685
>y'all

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>>61100746
>>61104184
In regards to the idea of "change", it's a bit of a two sided issue. For most failed normies who have never actually tried, self improvement honestly will solve the issue for maybe 80-90% of people. If you were /fit/, had a good job, and slowly developed social skills with fellow autists, most people would be able to become happy. Fat neckbeard NEETs who are too lazy to work out, eat healthy, learn a skill, and "try" improving themselves need not apply.

The more interesting consideration is when you have achieved that, yet are still a doomer. As your resident failed normie GFE schizo, I've been there, done that. Pretended to be normie all throughout college, earned enough to retire early as a NEET, and instantly chose to throw away all pretenses and shut myself out of the world instead of dealing with that shit. Out of dozens or hundreds of "friends", there are maybe 2-3 I still talk to in any meaningful way. Most are just fair-weather friends that you chat with out of politeness due to being in the same place and same time. I've spent years trying to help schizos and broken people, and most just result in being stabbed in the back. I have no trust in anyone, much less the hordes of gold diggers that Asian relatives/family friends will inevitably push in your direction. At this stage, there is nothing left but to accept doomerism.
As >>61104184 put it, there is no promised land, there is no happiness. Perhaps Buddhist enlightenment is actually just a state of nothingness: no desire to be happy, no desire to be enlightened, just existing without suffering.

People who say "just keep trying" likely have never been backstabbed super hard by someone they've trusted (or at least haven't been stabbed multiple times after still trying). This reminds me of all the tradcon influencers who tell people to "man up/get married/just pick a good one" and proceed to get absolutely railed in a bad divorce (Steven Crowder as the most recent example), or other upper class elites who sit on their high horses talking about "how things worked out for them". Meanwhile the doomer monks in mgtow have been talking about the issues for ages, since most are old divorcees who had been backstabbed and would never put themselves in the same situation again.

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>>61098695
Anon, how are the prosties? Do they bring any sense of happiness or momentary joy, or was it just disappointment? Love is a beautiful ideal, but like most ideals, it is too pure for this cruel world, so we can only keep it safe in the fantasy realm of 2d. 3dpd hiding behind an anime avatar can't and won't love you, and neither will fictional characters in your favorite harem anime/dating sim visual novel. However, at least the purely fictional don't hide a malevolent IRL woman farming simps behind the facade.

I suppose healthiest approach to GFE is simlar to hookers in that sense: separate the art from the artist. We don't care about the person, only the product/service they provide, which is exactly how we treat 99% of service workers anyways. Just desensitize yourself by burning out your pair bonding instinct, and you can have all the empty emotionless hedonistic sex you can afford?

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>>61104628
i was 21 when i hired one the first time a few months ago, i was hoping i could meet someone I was expecting something good could happen to me since i never really had a gf
until something just snapped one day, out of nowhere something very deep inside me snaped
i always hear the "dont put her pussy on a pedestal" but i realized that waiting for the right person was putting it on the pedestal by making it some sort of reward/goal
one day i just gave up i realized i was 21 already and the idea of "teen love" was already gone
so i hired a cute redhead one, reminded of marine and had sex
and i like it because when it's a hooker you don't have to care about her feeling you don't have to care about her you are in control of the situation you decide what to do and when you want to do it while you're with her
i lasted over 45 minutes in a row and couldn't cum until i jack off
but i need to admit it felt good for a couple of minutes being exposed to someone not caring about being judged or "betrayed" just felt right
I'll never make love with someone but at least i had sex

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>>61105343
I think the transactional nature allows us to truly be selfish for once: you don't need to make her happy, she doesn't expect anything from you (besides payment), and you are finally free to just indulge in whatever you want. Sure, it's not as "ideal" as the "real" version that people venerate, but at least it's better than nothing? Also don't need to add in all the performance anxiety factor to an already difficult situation. Maybe you can next try out some drug cocktails to see if it makes you feel anything, thus creating the hedonistic ideal of "coke and hookers"?

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>>61097890
why tho