What is Bae missing to rise to the top?

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Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:17:10 2023 No.60715600 [Reply] [Original]

What is Bae missing to rise to the top?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:17:54 2023 No.60715640 the mating press

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:18:32 2023 No.60715675 tits or pedophilia pandering

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:20:00 2023 No.60715736 >>60715600 Sorry, the mating press requires her to be pushed down

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:21:07 2023 No.60715787 >>60715600 To not have instantly thrown herself at Roberu and the other Holostar JPs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:24:52 2023 No.60715977 >>60715787 (this never happened)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:25:02 2023 No.60715991 Drop the annoying voice Stop hating herself

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:26:56 2023 No.60716072 >>60715600 elevator shoes

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:27:57 2023 No.60716119

If Gura is "the top" here, because she is, then Bae's differences are:
>voice not cute enough
It's better now but I think her "cute" voice attempt is regarded as that annoying more nasal quality, which people didn't like because it just sounded too fake, and we know her actual speaking voice is actually really sexy. But she just can't hit that ridiculously-high tone, not everyone is built to do that.

>knows nothing about memes/internet culture really.
Gura is absolutely a "you know she knows, and she knows you know but doesn't try too hard to flaunt it" type. You can be a zoomer and fully steeped in witty memes/lingo kind of stuff, I mean a lot of people using 4chan in fact did it from their teens anyway. Bae just doesn't know this shit, she's a normalfag, she just is, and it'd take years for her to slowly not become one and I don't think that's in the cards for her. Being a terminally-online type is not something you study for like it's a test, sort of like the voice you have it or you don't already. Being memey is not the reddit shitter hololive "community" shit, regurgitating bottom left 'a' rushiaboinboin a million times is not actually funny, but there is also a need to have tact to know when/how to be that way without coming off as forcing it.

>doesn't react that well
Gura doesn't know much about games (besides rhythm or horror) but she can take almost anything and try to make it a funny stream, she takes things in stride very well. Bae isn't the type to either be fun to watch nor is she good at improv zatsudan during games to my recollection. Bae will take something that isn't fucking funny at all and do that shitty fake teapot-like laugh and lean back and clap as if it was some master stroke of comedic genius. No, it wasn't, and pretending it was doesn't make it so. Just one example. Gura will lean back and clap sometimes but it's pretty rare and only if a really-really unusually funny/well-timed thing happened, Bae does it like multiple times a stream over nothing. Just one example. There isn't enough room in a single post to list all the little things Bae does that make her not as fun to watch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:28:31 2023 No.60716150 >>60715675 Doesnt she rank pretty high in the milkers department?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:29:25 2023 No.60716188 >>60715600 Not funny, not cute, not unicorn friendly She deserves low numbers and an eventual graduation

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:33:09 2023 No.60716376 >>60716119 Can we really even consider Gura to be the peak of the mountain anymore when she only shows up a few times a year? I'd sooner choose Fauna for top of EN

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:45:48 2023 No.60716987 Not acting like a fucking dyke

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:46:09 2023 No.60717003

Mass appeal. All her strong and weak points combine to hit the target for too small of an audience to be "the top" of the whole media form, but she should really just try to be the "top" version of herself. Don't compare chuubas this way. OP is as usual.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:49:18 2023 No.60717154 >>60715600 In terms of creative output I’d argue Bae is at the top of Promise and in the upper tiers of EN as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:49:42 2023 No.60717166 >>60715600 I want some rat pussy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:50:17 2023 No.60717202 >>60715600 Too much kpop shit and Korean shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:54:07 2023 No.60717392 File: 421 KB, 533x438, f9e1624c147aeeb8fd7ba1745fc1902b3e785a55.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60715600 Meet and greet where she takes her fan's virginities and has a train ran on her.

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:55:04 2023 No.60717442

>>60715600
She's a decent singer but not enough to carry her
Her accent is a filter
She's not very good at conversing
She's not good at games
She's a normie with a surface level at best understanding of the internet
She's not gachi friendly because of her homo fellating
I don't hate her but she's a good example of how a very mid entertainer can be propped up by the blue dorito

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:55:22 2023 No.60717458

She wanted to change Hololive culture, not as much as Ollie, but still bad enough that most people who actually like Hololive steer clear.

Her early voice was also loud and annoying, again not as much as Ollie, but it wasn't cute or pleasant to listen to. She's gotten better but I'd still hold her voice against her.

She doesn't know fucking anything. She's never seen any of the things people like, part of it is being a zoomer, but she also doesn't know normalfag shit like Star Wars so nobody can relate.

She's a bug, and some people won't watch on principle because of that, especially Hololive who were around for the Coco and Haachama incidents.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:56:45 2023 No.60717527 >>60717392 I agree with this splendid post

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:57:55 2023 No.60717590 >>60715600 Quit pandering to unityfags, avoid NijisanjiEN and the Homos like the plague. Maybe then her numbers will grow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:57:59 2023 No.60717596 >>60715600 She needs to appeal to a specific audience more or better. Her niche (little sister) is done much better by other members (Gura, Mumei, Bijou). She comes off more like an actual little sister who is noisy, dumb and she has bad opinions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:58:50 2023 No.60717653 >>60715600 Gachikoi

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 20:59:32 2023 No.60717694 >>60717442 >She's not good at games https://streamable.com/qxcg2x

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:00:10 2023 No.60717722 >>60715977 Is this the power of peak delusion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:06:50 2023 No.60718097 >>60716376 Or Mumei

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:09:12 2023 No.60718239 >>60715600 drop her voice. speak in her actual language to bring in the tw simps. and needs correction for mating press.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:13:31 2023 No.60718487 >>60717694 wow a vet souls player loses to a rat..

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:14:31 2023 No.60718551 >>60718239 >speak in her actual language She's already speaking Strayan though?

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:27:11 2023 No.60719228

>>60716119
Quality post. Harsh but fair. Bae is probably a sweet girl and I genuinely wish she had the stuff (since that would mean more entertaining streams for everyone), but I agree. It's going to be an uphill battle to even approach the quality of someone like Mumei, much less Gura. And with Advent's debut, competition has never been more fierce.

>>60716376
In theory at least. I think Fauna is functionally the top, but Gura brings the goods whenever she deigns to stream. Her only problem is showing up so seldom it might as well be never.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:28:24 2023 No.60719287 >>60715600 Good and at least semi-consistent kayfabe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:29:50 2023 No.60719370 >>60715600 Leavening agents

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:35:08 2023 No.60719624 >>60715600 being relatable

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:47:46 2023 No.60720254 >>60715600 Bae is an extroverted zoomer with casual media tastes irl and that is pretty much the antithesis of the introverted 4channer that takes his hobbies very seriously

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:54:26 2023 No.60720561 >>60715600 her virginity

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 21:58:02 2023 No.60720709 >>60716376 Gura showing up so little makes her appearance more valuable for the simps. We can consider THAT as peak of VTubing at least on EN.

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:06:27 2023 No.60721113

>>60719228
>And with Advent's debut, competition has never been more fierce.
FuwaMoco are cute but I haven’t really watched the others outside of the debut. Have they found niches?
>>60720254
There’s nothing wrong with starting off as a normie. Subaru was a huge normie at first who developed into what she is today.
Bae hasn’t changed a bit in 2 years, that’s the issue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:08:37 2023 No.60721220 >>60716987 Dyke? Bae is one of the most openly straight members of Hololive

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:09:44 2023 No.60721279

>>60716188
This. She tried too hard to keep it real by being all over the place. Starting her buff debut period off with boring kusoge. Translating everything she says to Japanese for her 10 JP chatters, openly saying that Roberu is her oshi. Annoying zoomer humor, etc.
Once you set the tone like that, it's really hard to bounce back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:15:35 2023 No.60721546 >>60721113 That's the thing, subaru even as a normie learned to like and assimilate the culture while bae still hasnt

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:24:37 2023 No.60721977 >>60715600 She can get on top of me anytime she wants. Seriously tho at this point she's fine as she is, a little bit of luck to get massive exposure is all shes missing tbdesu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:28:50 2023 No.60722158 >>60721220 Thank goodness for that, I hate all the gays and lesbians in holo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:29:06 2023 No.60722176 She can't, literally a milder Ollie

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:29:53 2023 No.60722215

>>60715600
I generally like her, but the fact that she does random homoEN collabs every now and then makes me not wanna watch her. I've had enough of all holostars for an entire lifetime because of Cover's aggressive shilling of them, I don't need Bae also shoving them in my face at random points in time just because she felt like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:30:39 2023 No.60722251 >>60715600 Girth

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:32:28 2023 No.60722337 >>60722215 Shilling? They literally hamstring them every now and again. You're a retard if you really think the stars get any treatment at all.

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:34:46 2023 No.60722451

>>60715600
Charisma
All first army has it… it’s what makes the difference.
For bae i think she need to rehearse funny thing to say, clippable thing etc. be a numberfag and have an ambition. Stop being menhera and comparing yourself to other like gura, or first army

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:36:31 2023 No.60722523 >>60715600 North American Accent

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:38:49 2023 No.60722633 at this point even if bae became the new pekora overnight her numbers wouldnt improve. there comes a point where an estabilished chuuba won't attract new fans unless a miracle happens. something like loli god requiem unintentionally going nuclear

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:43:20 2023 No.60722873 >>60722215 And to think she was literally about to release a duet love song with one of the EN stars and was only stopped by them graduating themselves before it came out

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:43:30 2023 No.60722884

>>60721113
>Have they found niches?
Yes and no.
As you know Fuwamoco brings something entirely new to the EN table and they can comfortably float on that, but they're also very motivated and has a large and dedicated fanbase. Objectively the biggest success story in Advent.
Bijou is the definitive gamer of EN now. (Sorry Fauna.) Long streams too. Has a loyal following already. Probably my favorite new member. (Her zatsu is not her strong point, but she's learning.)
Nerissa is struggling a bit. I haven't paid much attention to the music side of things, but the karaokes have not been great. Her collab choices are all over the place and she's not the best solo streamer. (She can also be surprisingly awkward in collabs.) I'm not giving up on her yet, plenty of EN members needed 6+ months to mature, but she definitely isn't in the greatest spot right now. I expected more from her.
Shiori has her fanbase and is doing well with SC numbers. Very dedicated following, but shrinking. She obviously has a lot of experience with streaming, but her personality and style can rub people the wrong way. Feels like a bit of a Kiara situation. I think things will improve for her in time once she's gotten out of her shell a bit more and starts interacting with the previous gens. But she's really doubling down on the debuff content and it's filtering a lot of people.

Despite not all of them being breakout successes, Promise and Myth are not exactly thriving either. Since it's still early on for Advent, I consider them to have great potential as a group. Contrast with some of the other older members who seem kind of stuck at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:45:32 2023 No.60722963 >>60715600 Lack of quirky remarks and wit. She needs to have a good conversational skills. Drop the kettle noise and use her dommy mommy voice come on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:45:48 2023 No.60722976 >>60722176 It's funny, when I was new to Hololive I mistook her and Ollie a few times because they have similar hairstyles and crazy colorful designs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:47:11 2023 No.60723036 File: 12 KB, 245x288, Hwat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60722873 Hwat are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:48:53 2023 No.60723122 >>60723036 She had a Daddy Daddy Do cover prepped with Magni and even commissioned art for it herself and everything

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:53:36 2023 No.60723324

>>60722963
This. The reason people watch Fauna is 90% because of her humor and zatsu. I remember back around Council debut people were saying she "didn't have a talent" because of her poor singing and drawing, but the fact of the matter is that the number 1 most important talent for a streamer is being good at talking. Nobody cares how skilled you are at something if you're boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 22:56:48 2023 No.60723462 >>60723324 That probably sums up why I enjoy watching Fauna so much, she can talk about really anything for as long as she wants and still make it interesting

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:10:28 2023 No.60724266 >>60723122 first time hearing of this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:24:11 2023 No.60725039 >>60724266 she just talked about it a couple days ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:26:04 2023 No.60725140 >>60725039 ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:27:44 2023 No.60725231 I actually don't like her whole "I don't know this popular thing" joke, she is not a relatable holo in this hobby people like vtubers that can talk about anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:37:34 2023 No.60725771 File: 83 KB, 480x480, 1687478861013533.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60723324

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:42:20 2023 No.60726051 >>60722884 >Promise and Myth are not exactly thriving either Myth is a meme at this point and Promise is the Faufau and Moom Show.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:46:38 2023 No.60726304 >>60715977 Holy shit, the rarest unicorn ever; the braticorn. I didn't think this fabled creature existed after her shady past. Take a picture boys

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:57:21 2023 No.60726871

She's pretty annoying to listen to, so she would need to do something to change that impression. She's not very entertaining to watch as well, as she doesn't really do anything interesting. Plus she's a sheltered zoomer so it's really hard to relate to her if you're older than 22.

If there's one positive she's a decent dancer so she'd be good at working cock.

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 23:57:52 2023 No.60726896

>>60715600
Bae should focus on what interests her the most?
Be it Kpop, dancing, or zoomer stuff. Her own enthusiasm will uplift the stream. Stop jumping all over the place trying to please everyone, and focus on a more niche audience instead. Well, at least give it a try for awhile without flopping around and see how it goes. I'm saying be unique.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:03:03 2023 No.60727162 >>60726304 Deadbeatcorns have gotta be more rare, right? Or is there just so many more deadbeats that there's more deadbeatcorns than braticorns?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:05:50 2023 No.60727300 >>60727162 Hahaha are you insane? If you even imply that Mori might not be a virgin you get a million butthurt yous. Deadbeatcorns are the most pathetic fucks on this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:06:11 2023 No.60727325 >>60727162 I've sadly seen so many deadbeat white knights it's ridiculous in /hlgg/

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:09:00 2023 No.60727459

>>60716119
>Gura will lean back and clap sometimes but it's pretty rare and only if a really-really unusually funny/well-timed thing happened, Bae does it like multiple times a stream over nothing. Just one example. There isn't enough room in a single post to list all the little things Bae does that make her not as fun to watch.
It’s funny to Bae, which is why she laughs. She’s not pretending to laugh at bad jokes. She just has a different sense of humor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:11:08 2023 No.60727567 >>60726896 She’s doing that.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:11:16 2023 No.60727580

>>60716119
Adding to this, her best quality is dance, which isn't feasible to show off all the time as a VTuber.
Even if she could, her character still doesn't have the wider appeal of someone like Gura, so she'd still be in the dance niche that she's kinda established for herself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:17:52 2023 No.60727940 >>60727567 oh, good for her. It takes time to build a new audience. Personally, I prefer Kpop over Jpop.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:20:00 2023 No.60728048 Oh boy, it's another "KFP seethes at Bae for Kiara's atrocious views on her last 2 songs" thread. It's all so tiresome.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:20:52 2023 No.60728083

>>60717458
>especially Hololive who were around for the Coco
I remember that the phone call incident happened around the peak of Coco leaving. Literally the worst time to fuck up.
Come to think of if, why did bae even answered a voice call in the middle of a collab? That was so unprofessional...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:23:14 2023 No.60728203 >>60728048 >"am seal" has more views that both of her new songs combined Holy fuck no wonder they're mad

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:26:39 2023 No.60728374 >>60728083 Same reason she abandoned Fauna during their collab for 10 minutes to go fellate some homo during his birthday stream She's stupid and not in the endearing way

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:28:19 2023 No.60728442 >>60728083 You sound like a retarded fucking woman, the entire point of the mute function is to do private, off-stream stuff and every chuuba does it, collab or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:28:55 2023 No.60728470 >>60728374 Are we still pretending we're mad about that when even Fauna didn't care?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:29:47 2023 No.60728519 >>60728374 Thanks for reminding me about that, I'd managed to forget. No wonder she isn't funneling viewers to Bae this year for month of horror kek, she must be so pissed still

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:30:01 2023 No.60728536 >>60728374 Fauna could have joined to if she didn’t want to feel awkward.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:31:05 2023 No.60728600 >>60728083 But that wasn't a phone call, it was just her mom coming into her room to ask her something. I guess it was a mistake that she forgot to mute, but pretty much every chuuba has made that at least once.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:31:16 2023 No.60728610 >Enter thread >Random brat/deadbeat seethe >Some good discussion, most of it trash/threadreader points I haven't seen this faggot in a while, did the rangeban in his local area expire?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:32:03 2023 No.60728653 >>60728470 >Implying Fauna would show if she were annoyed by it Fauna's far too sweet for that But regardless it's the only time Bae left any impression on me, so yes I'm annoyed by it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:32:21 2023 No.60728669 >>60728536 Fauna doesn't want Bae tier ccv and income.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:32:49 2023 No.60728705 >>60716150 Among all vtubers? No. Among just hololive? Not really, there are many more who have bigger tits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:33:21 2023 No.60728725 >>60728653 You are a woman inside a man's body, it's terminal I'm afraid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:34:25 2023 No.60728770 >>60728653 Except that Fauna and Bae planned every single day together and they chose that date with Fauna knowing full well that would happen Stop projecting onto Fauna

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:34:35 2023 No.60728780 >>60728725 Sure thing, sis

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:35:30 2023 No.60728839

>>60719228
I don't know, I don't think Gura brings much quality anymore. Her lack of streaming really shows in how prepared and comfortable she is on stream. The few streams she does do are a noticeable decline in quality from 2021 or really early 2022.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:35:30 2023 No.60728838

>>60728653
Same, it was a really good chance to introduce new viewers to the runt of council and she blew it by being absolutely disrespectful with this. It's not like it was pre-planned and Bae could have just recorded a video or anything, she had to make a show of disrupting the stream to shill 'da boys'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:35:34 2023 No.60728845 >>60728780 You are the one who is still stuck on an insignificantly small incident like a woman lmao, grow some balls troon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:36:35 2023 No.60728897 >>60728669 Are Fauna’s fans really that shallow to drop her after one interaction? We know Mumei’s aren’t.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:37:10 2023 No.60728922 >>60728897 Nah, that's just an exaggerating shitposter. Literally nobody cares that happened

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:37:30 2023 No.60728933

>>60728770
>you're now memoryholing how shocked Fauna was when she couldn't even talk to chat and had to pause her own stream for 10 mins while Bae foamed at the gash over a homo
Yeah, this is some extreme memoryholing. Fauna was pissed. The lack of month of horror this year proves it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:37:58 2023 No.60728955 >>60728897 /uuu/ in general seems very aggressively anti-bae from what I've seen around any of their collabs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:38:42 2023 No.60728981 >>60728933 Write more fanfics around the ideas in your head sister, I'll cheer you on

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:39:47 2023 No.60729033 >>60728981 >no argument >overwhelming proof on my side kek, that was a sad show sister.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:39:52 2023 No.60729043 >>60715640 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:41:04 2023 No.60729100 >>60729033 I already know who are you are and it's not good to see you back, may you die after being run over by a car or something

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:41:57 2023 No.60729146 >>60728845 It was an inappropriate way to treat her collab partner and that's a reasonable take to have Is this tranny obsession of yours some sort of projection

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:42:06 2023 No.60729150 >>60729100 >still no argument >delusional thoughtss Holy meds, now. I'm not asking, I'm telling you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:43:02 2023 No.60729194 >>60729146 Your response to it is surely reasonable right? where were you when Mumei also did the same thing during an ark collab?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:43:10 2023 No.60729201 >>60729100 Please be kind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:43:22 2023 No.60729209 >>60715600 Being a nomie

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:44:58 2023 No.60729276 Elira's costume reveal getting mogged by Bae's karaoke x2 times deflection thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:45:08 2023 No.60729286 >>60729146 it must be cool to be able to climb into fauna's head and learn her exact thoughts on the matter and everything she didn't discuss with bae beforehand

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:46:14 2023 No.60729332 >>60729286 He's such a fucking retard, he doesn't know council (or promise now) plan everything they do together off-stream down to every single detail

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:47:15 2023 No.60729379 >>60729209 I meant not being being a normie

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:47:46 2023 No.60729396 >>60727325 To be fair, those are the most resilient creatures on earth, surviving constant genocide attempts coming from Mori herself every day of the week.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:47:47 2023 No.60729397 Bae should focus more on what she's really great at, which is live performances, dancing + singing. I'm sure she's gonna get in the spotlight once she moves to Japan

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:50:27 2023 No.60729528

>>60728770
Weird, if it was so well planned Bae could have chosen to pre-record something instead of disrupting the stream she knew she had planned. I'm glad you admit she cares more about the dead branch than her own genmate, weird self-own but whatever.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:52:45 2023 No.60729627

>>60729528
>I'm glad you admit she cares more about the dead branch than your own genmate
Way to out yourself clipwatching anti, not a single soul on this planet genuinely believes that Bae's priority isn't her gen. She is the mastermind behind most of the full gen collabs/events after all

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:53:13 2023 No.60729655 >>60729528 see >>60729194

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:54:31 2023 No.60729733 >>60729627 >>60729655 Sorry, you didn't answer the question and just deflected. Why did she snub Fauna and their viewers, and refuse to pre-record something...?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:56:28 2023 No.60729838 >>60729733 >this will get deflected again They know you're right, that's the sad part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:57:18 2023 No.60729882 >10 minute break= snub Fauna and their viewers >Samefag This retard is just an attentionwhoring shitposter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 00:57:31 2023 No.60729902 >>60728897 If a chuuba even IMPLIES she breathed air in a room that at one point HAD a male in it even if it was her father, I block her and move on to a pure chuuba.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:00:27 2023 No.60730062

>>60729733
This is the anon you asked the question >>60729627
as for me i was pointing out that mumei did the same to anya and iroha when she had to call mori for her birthday last year, those two had to stop their collab and wait for mumei. so i guess at the end of the day these girls are just silly and do stuff without thinkig too much about it.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:09:23 2023 No.60730624

>>60730062
Yeah, so Mumei sucks too. That doesn't change the point I was making about why Bae couldn't just pre-record something. It's a fair argument though, but just because somebody else sucks it doesn't excuse Bae.
I do think there is a SIGNIFICANT level of difference between calling in to someone from your branch and a homo for obvious reasons, but I'll admit this is subjective.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:12:12 2023 No.60730784 >>60730624 I'm glad you aren't in Hololive, I hope they never hire you and you stay stuck in jealous 1-view hell

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:13:14 2023 No.60730859 >>60715600 >What is Bae missing my DICK in her ASS

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:13:35 2023 No.60730894 >>60716150 not when you have kronii,fauna in the same gen

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:13:53 2023 No.60730919 >>60730784 You might want to take a break from /here/ if a civil discussion gets you this upset that you just vomit buzzwords like an autist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:15:28 2023 No.60731054 >>60730919 >t.got upset by a 10 minute break Not sure you have the moral ground here

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:22:47 2023 No.60731529

>>60731054
I never claimed I was upset. You might be projecting now.
I said it was disrespectful, especially when both events were clearly known about and could have appeased both sides, instead Bae chose to fuck over her own viewers.
Unlike you, I can discuss things without being heated. You should try it, it'll be a good learning lesson for you.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:24:00 2023 No.60731595

>>60729286
Extrapolating that having a collab interrupted and being forced to sit in silence with chat for 10 minutes probably isn't something Fauna was thrilled about isn't much a stretch
Frankly it's not like it being discussed beforehand even matters, what's Fauna gonna do, say no and make it awkward between her and Bae?
Bae exploited Fauna's kindness, she didn't do maliciously or even intentionally, she did it, because like I said in my original post, she's stupid

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:27:45 2023 No.60731850

>>60715600
what she is already doing, playing games outside her zone of comfort, moving to jp, doing collabs and special content.
if she wanted she could move to jap prime time when she streams at that time she always gets 40% more views, i guess the Australians also watch her more at that time, but i really dont want her to do that i couldnt watch her if she changes her schedule.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:30:36 2023 No.60732049

>>60715600
being relatable and lacking an audience.
-love homos so no gachi fans
-a normie so can't relate to otaku fans
-singing not her identify so no music fans
-normie gamer so can't relate to gaming fans
she come across as a normal youtuber that do vlogs and some comedy rather than a vtuber.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:40:06 2023 No.60732653

>>60715600
She went the entertainer/sex humor route where you can collab with men but your fanbase make fun of you for entertainment, which has a viewership ceiling that's much lower than more respected female streamers
After you've gone this far, you mind as well go full amouranth

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:40:55 2023 No.60732705 >>60732049 >true >false >false >kinda >she is changing that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:44:43 2023 No.60732953 >>60715600 My dick inside her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:48:15 2023 No.60733185 >>60732953 You're too late for that

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:49:00 2023 No.60733238
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The australian accent is unironically a debuff, I don't make the rules but you can observe most aussies suck (except Luca for some reason probably because the universe loves a faggot).

Bae speaks like 4 languages but never plays into them much at all.

Bae early on had no consistent schedule and was trying too hard to be 'chaotic' which was annoying.

Bae revealed in her first stream she joined deliberately to collab with Holostars (not sure why this was allowed, in nijisanji a guy wanted to join to offcollab with the girls and was fired) this painted her as anti-gachi early on so her numbers never recovered

Despite being loli-ish she is not a loli like gura or bijew, more of a hebe or a petite woman and never attracted the same audience of cunnysseurs. Unfortunately Mumei also falls into this niche and Mumei is the cuter girl.

Loud, which upsets autistic people.

Unlike girls who collabed with holostars to own the haters, she collabs with them because she genuinely likes them and is very childish about it.

She is the anti-numberfag, she does the opposite of what would make sense numberswise and as a result her totals are on a slow incline downwards similar to most of myth.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:50:48 2023 No.60733350

>>60727459
The problem is her humor mostly comes from other girls/their stories about her. Like when she tricked Mumei into thinking Emu was pronounced Emyew. Bae isn't that snarky on stream she just pretends to be LE ZOOMER RAT and not know about things that existed before 2013.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:52:13 2023 No.60733443 >>60733350 Yeah, it's the 'pretending' that gets to me too. It's so frustrating when you know she's lying for clickbait and just basically shitting on you as a viewer. If she dropped that I'd watch her in a heartbeat

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:56:52 2023 No.60733726 >>60731529 You are literally seething and crying about something that happened a year ago that no one cared about except you. You are the definition of an upset faggot kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 01:57:53 2023 No.60733797 >>60733238 >She is the anti-numberfag That's like saying you are anti-wage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:00:16 2023 No.60733921 >>60733726 You're really upset. I'd recommend meds or leaving /here/, you seem incapable of rational thought, let alone discussion. How embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:02:01 2023 No.60734012 >>60733350 >>60733443 Where are these faggots during the many times she does know about something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:03:58 2023 No.60734127 my man shes already there shes in fucking hololive. is the top 0.01% not high enough

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:04:09 2023 No.60734134

>>60733350
>>60733443
she isnt pretending, she was a sheltered kid her parents were the classic asian parents making her take extra clases tutoring, she was in oc class for gifted and talented children to keep that level she had to study day and night not having chance to watch tv or play games, it was just recently that she really had the chance to enjoy those things.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:04:26 2023 No.60734145

>>60719228
I'm all for Fauna at the top; I do genuinely think she's the wittiest and can hold people's interest the best throughout stream. I'm just curious what makes you say that she's "functionally" the top? Don't Kronii and Mumei outstripe her by a lot in terms of subs?

Is this based on average CCV?

Idk I kinda get the sense that she's the best but somehow also that she's underrated? idk if that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:04:46 2023 No.60734169 >>60715600 Being Australian is a debuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:06:55 2023 No.60734269 >>60734145 Mumei has friends and Kronii and Fauna does not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:06:57 2023 No.60734271 >>60734134 If she was so sheltered why did paparat let her go to raves so much? Weird disconnect between reality and the lies she spins

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:07:28 2023 No.60734297 >>60733238 >>60734169 Is this just a SEA thing? Everyone that's ever talked about likes the accent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:10:10 2023 No.60734428 >>60734271 yeah because you go to parties when you are a kid

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:14:52 2023 No.60734668 >>60734269 What do you mean?

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:16:08 2023 No.60734734

>>60715600
It's not what she's MISSING, it's that she HAS a terrible voice and laugh. She consciously made the decision to say "ya know what people love? Bleeding ear drums. Let's make that my voice." It was unbearable at and after debut, she timed it down a bit in the modern day, but it's still really bad for prolonged listening. Also she's like 5 so I can't relate to her on literally anything. I am a humble pile of dust, you see.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:27:00 2023 No.60735366 >>60734134 She has never said any of these things in such explicit detail btw

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:29:11 2023 No.60735478 >>60735366 she does tho, multiple times

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:30:15 2023 No.60735544 >>60735478 She's implied it at most, anything beyond that isn't something the rat has said

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:31:23 2023 No.60735599 >>60735366 well she has said multiple times she didn't had a childhood although that was in response to something irys or callie said, and the only reason she got a DS was because she told her mom it was to play brain academy and train the brain

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:42:59 2023 No.60736201 >>60735599 She said that much, but nothing in explicit detail

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 02:43:12 2023 No.60736210

>>60715600
I'm not sure if she can ever be "top", but she's smartly taking the best step of her career by moving to Japan soon. With her 3D and access to the studio, Bae will be able to flex her strengths - dancing, performing live, and collabing with JP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 03:13:05 2023 No.60737846 kek, seething brats

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 03:22:07 2023 No.60738381

>>60715600
Casualfag appeal, simple as. An important reminder that many things that have been brought up as an issue in this thread (homo collabs, accent, etc.) only filter like a couple hundred potential viewers at most. What matters much more is that she doesn't have a consistent, and relatable image or a meme that a casualfag can memorize with their dumb little brain and urge them to click on her streams. What you usually need to be popular with normalfags is:
>decent anime knowledge
>decent gaming skills
>knowledge of common popculture references and memes
What is not needed:
>singing skills
>conversational skills
>creativity
>ambition for more achievments
>language skills for interacting with the main branch beyond simple English/Japanese phrases
Normalfags don't want to see idols at Hololive doing their best every day to provide varied content for their fans and interacting with them at a personal level. They want to see someone who's just like them frfr, consuming the same media all day, every day, holding up a distant, but pleasant relationship with everyone around them, and providing a memetic aspect that they can identify with. And that's not Bae.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 03:28:17 2023 No.60738767 >>60738381 is so true that hurts...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:14:28 2023 No.60741399 >>60738381 Best take in this thread unironically

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:19:54 2023 No.60741657 >>60715600 Real GFE lessons from her friens but then she would get more schizos

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:31:53 2023 No.60742278 >>60715600 A StarsEN ship partner

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:35:49 2023 No.60742468 >>60741657 Neither Mumei Mori or IRyS are GFE HoloJP won't share all their trade tools with an inferior branch

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:38:58 2023 No.60742615 >>60742468 Cute retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:39:42 2023 No.60742655 >>60742468 retardbro... her succubus friend...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:39:49 2023 No.60742660 >>60738381 >Appeal to the Mori fanbase Hope she enjoys doing nothing but suika game like Mori right now. Fauna and Mumei could stream paint drying and beat their numbers. Gachikoi tune into anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 04:54:49 2023 No.60743375 >>60715600 Cultural awareness of anything that was made before 2010

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:19:44 2023 No.60744558

>>60742660
Not sure why you're bringing up Mori when she's just as much of a normie repellant as Bae. The only reason she has bigger numbers numbers than usual recently because she collabed with One Piece and everyone and their mother knows One Piece, hence she became something that's more relatable, not because she became a better streamer overnight.
>Fauna, Mumei
You're severely overestimating the percentage of gachikois in a fanbase or you don't understand the meaning of gachikoi. They have bigger numbers because Mumei is the shy introvert girl with intrusive thoughts (extremely relatable for the current EN fanbase) and Fauna is the one who's having the golden age right now with her surrounding memes and how often she taps into them (the Fauna elephant sweep, for example, where she wasn't even the best player in the collab). Skill of streaming or the ability to ensnare viewers have not much to do with their numbers, beyond their ability to play into the image that is perceived of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:36:21 2023 No.60745182 >>60734269 holy shit is this faunaschizo? Haven't heard from faunaschizo in a while

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:45:34 2023 No.60745531

>>60744558
nta, I think "the Mori fanbase" that anon talking about is the tourist casualfag that only tune in for some fotm game or events. They travel in pack so they blow the metric way up but also leave so fast it comes down crashing like what we saw with Mori recently. Mori spent so much of her time last year garnering this type of fanbase with "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" every other day and fotm that she has desensitized it and her number tanks unless she goes for bigger and bigger event (like One Piece). Catering to that side of the fanbase is fine if you just want number go brrrr but in the long run, it's better to have a decent size dedicated fanbase that would tune in to whatever the hell you do as a fallback

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:48:26 2023 No.60745625 >>60715600 Stealth #'s thread but she gets decent views. OP is a faggot who munches on carpet and never touched a woman in his life

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:51:09 2023 No.60745715 >>60745625 best post ITT

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:53:50 2023 No.60745804

>>60738381
Great observation. If she wasn't a Vtuber i still think she would be a great hire or employee on any other industry based on just how good her discipline, soft and networking skills.
>>60741399
Best take on the whole board desu
>>60742660
> "Hope she enjoys doing fuck all and still be so successful you got One Piece and Metal Gear collabing with you, have your songs play throughout japan, Own a Home in TOKYO and be the only one on EN to have a solo live"
???

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:54:01 2023 No.60745814 >>60745625 >>60729201

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:55:11 2023 No.60745860 File: 249 KB, 417x397, 1692799334084536.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60716119 >You can be a zoomer and fully steeped in witty memes/lingo kind of stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 05:59:42 2023 No.60746010 >>60734145 While I love Fauna, Gura's banter with chat is hard to match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMSm2vSSNio Bae should focus on zoomer, though I'd miss much of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:07:15 2023 No.60746258 >>60728897 I would she's already established herself as an English Noel, it's OK to have unicorn friendly streamers you don't need to subvert everything. Besides don't you have a war to pay attention to?

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:07:32 2023 No.60746268

>>60715600
Literally if she wasn't an almost ollie tier homo dick sucker she would be doing better. Not exactly a good look when you start your holo career openly lusting for homostars. But at this point, it is probably too late for her to correct course so she might as well just keep doing what she does

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:09:22 2023 No.60746333

>>60717392
All of Hololive at this point are blatant Whores that know you know already, the money's been made so any reel-in attempt they do is so tongue-in-fucking-cheek it reeks of pandering

I Sincerely hope to Christ cover goes bankrupt or better yet, they get de-platformed and start twitch or bilibili fishing till the well is all dry

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:09:59 2023 No.60746353 >>60746268 The hard truth you have to accept is that the "unicorn" audience isn't anywhere near as big as you choose to believe it is

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:10:20 2023 No.60746370 >>60745625 >munches on carpet and never touched a woman in his life Do you not know what "munches on carpet" means? Fucking ESLs, I swear to christ, look up slang before you use it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:11:32 2023 No.60746411 >>60746353 Imagine responding to a subhuman that uses words like "homo dick sucker" unironically in good faith

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:13:57 2023 No.60746517 >>60746333 >Trips of the Cross Damn, can't wait to see the 2024 tsunami wipe Cover clean out of existence Hats off

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:30:23 2023 No.60747070 >>60726304 You're kidding, right? They've shilled her as being "GFE" for an entire year.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:32:00 2023 No.60747125

>>60746353
You twitter troons keep saying this but clearly we can see time after time that the "unicorn" audience is apparently bigger than the homo loving audience who are the supposed "majority" that you guys claim for some reason(if you twitter homo fans actually bothered to watched streams then maybe you potentially could be the bigger audience but lets be real, you fags couldn't be fucked to actually do that). If you guys are so big, why the fuck does the numbers almost always say otherwise? Oh wait I know why, because you fags only watch clips and the only streams you will watch are homo collab streams to "own le unicorns" but suddenly its crickets when it comes to supporting the solo content of both the girls(as we clearly see with bae) and guys you fuckers claim to support.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:33:34 2023 No.60747204 >>60715600 personality

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:34:08 2023 No.60747223 >>60721113 >Subaru Not EN so completely irrelevant to the discussion. Stop pretending like EN and JP audiences have the same standards or that JP have any at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:34:58 2023 No.60747257 >>60747125 mucho texto loser

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:35:28 2023 No.60747278 >>60747125 >and guys you fuckers claim to support. Stopped reading there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:35:59 2023 No.60747295 >>60724266 It's because Bae herself made that post

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:43:44 2023 No.60747588 >>60747070 Are you retarded, Bae has never been shilled as GFE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:51:29 2023 No.60747920 These threads always make me confused because of the amount of misinformation in them, it's almost like they are pushed by rival corp shills or something in order to deflect

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 06:58:49 2023 No.60748187 >>60747588 >>/vt/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=bae+gfe&search_op=op Calling these "falseflags" doesn't make any sense by the way so don't even try that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:04:20 2023 No.60748393 >>60748187 Oh those are falseflags alright, most likely made by you

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:07:35 2023 No.60748500 >>60748393 Who is being falseflagged exactly? It only makes any potential retards dumb enough to actually believe in the statement made by the OP look retarded, but you're claiming nobody ever called bae GFE. Who is being falseflagged?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:08:45 2023 No.60748539 >>60748500 > the claim was brats shilled her as GFE stop arguing for the sake of arguing fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:09:22 2023 No.60748555 It's almost like when you visit the source of some of those posts, they are the exact same copypasted falseflags by the same suspects every time

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:11:42 2023 No.60748645 >>60738381 bumping this post this is the only one you need to read in this whole thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:12:27 2023 No.60748666 >>60715600 The thing is that she's really boring af. Annoying voice, bland humor, her talking mannerisms is also annoying. She can barely sing (don't know why people thinks she's a good singer lol.) and lastly, Homo collab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:14:38 2023 No.60748739 >>60748539 >>/vt/thread/52593359#p52597469 They/you did.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:17:26 2023 No.60748836 File: 607 KB, 220x185, 1681269248900307.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ITT, fucking shitposters not even watch streams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:17:53 2023 No.60748847 >>60748500 >>60748539 Taking anything anons on /vt/ say at face value is really not ideal to browse this board. Like if I said you two should kiss and have homo sex, because you sound like deaf arguing with blind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:18:44 2023 No.60748865 File: 368 KB, 535x752, FUVK.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60748739 I dont see your point sorry try harder next time

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:19:42 2023 No.60748895 >>60748865 >>/vt/thread/53807021#p53807145 You shilled her as GFE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:21:08 2023 No.60748921 >>60748895 NTA but you are mentally ill as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:23:14 2023 No.60748975 >>60748895 What the fuck is wrong with you? people aren't even allowed to post cute things about their oshis now? imagine getting triggered by people talking about streams and posting about things that make sense in the given context

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:25:12 2023 No.60749041 >>60748921 How am I mentally ill? For providing proof of bratcucks calling her GFE? >>60748975 Cool deflection. Is this you conceding that you called her GFE?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:26:36 2023 No.60749086 >>60749041 Sincerely kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:27:24 2023 No.60749103 File: 195 KB, 1000x1000, nbpqorxnk7e81.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60749041 > "how am i mentally ill?" > shows more proof hes mentally ill i kneel to your stupidity anon

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:27:34 2023 No.60749111

>>60748895
You are taking something, actually many things on /vt/ either at face value or something literally EVERYONE here posts for their chuba, to argue with someone who has zero interest in giving you the courtesy of good faith.
You will get absolutely nowhere, holy shit realize that, for your mental's sake. But if you want to keep going at it, I do welcome some good entertainment here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:27:55 2023 No.60749127 >>60715600 she's a die hard homobegger, she'll never rise to the top of anything, pathetic her generation may be. same as Towa, it's simple as that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:29:39 2023 No.60749197 HOLY SHIT THAT WAS SO CLEAN!! GAMER BAE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:31:02 2023 No.60749251 Huh, woke up and the threads still going Brats sure do love biting bait so hard they make every thread his bump limit. What a state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:32:45 2023 No.60749311 >>60749086 You first bratcuck >>60749103 >"if you prove ne wrong you're mentally ill!" Bravo. That's certainly one way to make an attempt at "arguing" on this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:36:01 2023 No.60749426 >>60749111 That's a lot of words to just say "please stop exposing me".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:36:05 2023 No.60749429 >>60749311 People are allowed to post cute things about their oshis in the holo discussion thread and you can continue seething about it like the miserable sad fuck you are

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 07:40:06 2023 No.60749550 >>60749429 Oh so those posts are not falseflags anymore? Just like that you've admitted that brats called her GFE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 08:07:46 2023 No.60750440 >>60749127 Are we pretending Towa isn't hugely popular now

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 08:31:45 2023 No.60751267

>>60745804
The thing is, she IS a good vtuber since she posesses many aforementioned skills which help her produce more varied content, probably top 3 in EN in that aspect with Mori and Kiara being on the top (Advent seems to fall short in one or two aspects, with possibly FWMC stepping up eventually). She's just not a trendy one, much like those two as well.
In a hypthetical world where the whole of HoloEN are born japanese and get casted into HoloJP instead, Bae would be more popular simply because the japanese fans recognize hard work towards good content a bit more then their western counterparts. I'd say she'd be close to Towa and be a borderline 5view depending on the game she plays.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 08:33:18 2023 No.60751310 >>60751267 This The EN audience unironically only cares for memespeak chuubas

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 08:56:00 2023 No.60751982 >>60751267 she's moving to japan next year so i guess its not far off that it will be her next move

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:03:18 2023 No.60752190 >>60715600 I CAME UP FROM THE BOTTOM AND INTO THE TOP FOR THE FIRST TIME I FEEL ALIIIIIIIIVE I CAN FLY LIKE AN EAGLE AND STRIKE LIKE A HAWK DO YOU THINK YOU CAN SURVIIIIIIIIIVE THE TOP

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:11:24 2023 No.60752413 >>60716119 >and we know her actual speaking voice is actually really sexy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtgZ_9ydWlM Australian accent with vocal fry. aww yiss

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:17:06 2023 No.60752530 >>60752413 She literally sounded like this 30 minutes ago in her lies of P stream while fighting a boss, not like catalogue dregs would know that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:20:30 2023 No.60752606 >>60726896 Yeah I think trying to become the biggest instead of best in niche would be a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:21:56 2023 No.60752630 >>60715600 Hakos is a total Stacy. That's not a bad thing, but doesn't make for a particularly interesting or relatable v-tuber. She's into dancing, rock climbing, and hanging out with friends. What sort of v-tuber fan does any of those things?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 09:48:55 2023 No.60753102 Bae's voice (especially when tired), accent and vocabulary is pure sex Having said that, her gameplay streams aren't that engaging and she resorts to exaggerated responses too often

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:15:03 2023 No.60753654 >>60749550 Holy shit stop anon you already killed him

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:17:01 2023 No.60753711 >>60753654 Don't respond to me ever again cuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:19:02 2023 No.60753763 >>60738381 LOL, you're so naive

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:19:47 2023 No.60753781 >>60738381 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:21:05 2023 No.60753813 File: 37 KB, 720x732, 1682230037589700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60752530

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:23:17 2023 No.60753864 >>60753711 Or what internet tough guy? Gonna piss yourself? KWAB

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:23:56 2023 No.60753878

>>60744558
>Fauna is the one who's having the golden age right now
She's been inclining for like 18 months straight. You haven't been paying attention if you think it's a recent development.
The only thing that's relatively recent is that most of HoloEN has seen a sharp decline.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:23:57 2023 No.60753879 >>60753864 I will rape your anus and you know it

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:26:12 2023 No.60753917

>>60744558
Doesn't Fauna have an empty slot all the time
also Mumei is a raid baby who heavily and consistently relies on raids to get good numbers, the moment she doesn't get any raids on her non-singing content, her numbers go down the shitter. Her karaoke does do very well I will admit, second strongest in that regard behind Gura

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:30:19 2023 No.60754008

>>60734145
Even Kiara has more subs than Fauna but nobody would say she's above Fauna in terms of popularity. CCV isn't the only metric that matters, but it does give you a rough outline of how well a chuuba is doing. Subs do not. (Just look at all the dead channels with millions of subs.)
Gura is considered the top because she vastly outmatches anyone else in CCV when she streams, not because she has more subs. Yes, the subs help, but if only 4k of those actually showed up to streams it wouldn't matter.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:34:17 2023 No.60754120

>>60753917
Yes, a huge factor for Fauna's incline is that she has no one to compete with in her slot which let her gain regulars over the course of a year and now her floor is very respectable. Advent pretty much reinforces this with Biboo having the best ccv these days because she starts first and has the least overlap. Overlap is one of the biggest factors in hampering growth along with content choice: See Fuwamoco

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:36:40 2023 No.60754168

>>60753917
I noticed this too but Mumei gets raided for pretty much 80% of her streams and then I came to the realization that she starts the latest and her slot is much later than the others. She is usually the only one streaming by the time the others are ending, leading them to raid her

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:38:47 2023 No.60754207 >>60754120 Fauna now regularly beats Ina whenever they overlap.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:41:43 2023 No.60754278

>>60754207
Yeah well, part of that is due to Ina's content choices such as Pikmin or FFXVI spam. Fauna has much better content choices than Ina and in general compared to most vtubers. The chuuba audience loves Minecraft and she's pretty much the only EN who plays it consistently, the others have periods where they come and go.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:51:27 2023 No.60754500 >>60754008 >CCV isn't the only metric that matters but kiara wins in supas too

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 10:53:15 2023 No.60754540 >>60754500 Sure, I wasn't trying to rag on Kiara. I'm just saying that most people would agree that Fauna is generally more popular than her despite Kiara having a significant sub advantage.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:04:11 2023 No.60754813
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>>60734297
SEA people hate australians because we are sex tourists (same as the british in asia) and alot of australians marry SEA women and take them back to australia leaving the SEmen to turn to trannies to get sex.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:04:42 2023 No.60754830

>>60753878
Obviously I meant that Fauna's been having a boom since last year's summer when she got the chance of takos and chumbud tuning in when Gura and Ina went on their respective hiatuses. I've watched streams of her before and after the inclining, and she didn't change her content approach at all that would cause an incline. It's proof that popularity has nothing to do with the streamer being good or not (since Fauna was always the same, yet she had to wait a year to be noticed and if Cow Fauna doesn't catch on, she might have missed her chance), but you have to have something going on for you to have a chance to be noticed (good timeslot, good choice of games from a normalfag standpoint).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:06:39 2023 No.60754879 >>60754830 >It's proof that popularity has nothing to do with the streamer Being "good" is not enough. You also need luck and timing. Have you not seen enough starving 2views to know this by now.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 12:06:23 2023 No.60756494

>>60754830
>Fauna's been having a boom
No, she has not. If you actually looked at the stats she's been on a slow and steady incline since around 6 months after debut. There was no great flood of chumbuds or takos that suddenly caused her to incline.
Her content has not changed much since the beginning of the incline, that much is true, but the reason she's inclining is precisely because she is good, not whatever you've imagining in your head. It just takes time for people to notice.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:00:05 2023 No.60758019

>>60715600
actual main reason: she's missing a personality that isn't peaks and valleys of zero sounds or annoying sounds. some would say this makes her boring, although while not wrong, it only really makes her boring as a long-form streamer (the vast majority of her time on youtube) because she doesn't have the kind of stream presence that can keep entertained. she'll go dead silent for tens of seconds and then make an annoying noise (not the kind one would find funny) or a brief comment nobody can relate to. it isn't always like this, there are occasionally meadows, but these peaks and valleys make up the vast majority of her time on stream.
now, in distant second is her real world talk. she tends to talk about her real life friends and all the meatspace activities she does with them a lot. in moderation i think this is healthy, and personally i'm not bothered by it, but she does do it WAY too much for some people such that i can sympathize. i'm anti-unicorn and couldn't give less of a shit about their wants and desires, but even non-unicorns or unicorn-adjacents get bothered by how often she takes people out of the escapism, and i can understand why.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:09:20 2023 No.60758334 >people still pretending Gura is the top Lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:20:39 2023 No.60758705 >>60715600 simple - vtubing(especially western) is dead by now nobody will surpass gura. she is weird symbol like Lenin in communism - everybody knows him but nobody can tell why and for what exactly

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:23:22 2023 No.60758795 >>60715600 She's already at the top because she's in fucking Hololive Don't ask stupid questions next time shitstirrer

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:02:33 2023 No.60760041

>>60716119
As a Gura fan I think Bae is good, gives something different and I actually prefer her earlier voice--it shows some attempt at the kayfabe.

In my opinion I just think she is too normal compared to everyone else. And with people like Gura she catches the eye and it's like you know what to expect from her without having watched a bunch of vods. Bae is a slow burner and you hits the layers the more you watch and learn about her, like what anime she watches or just how good at dancing she is. Bae also doesn't seem to have a presence in larger collabs like Gura has so Bae doesn't get the exposer to new fans that can help her.

Gura is at a different stage from a lot of EN though. I think better way is to compare Bae with Promise and figure out what separates them and their unique appeal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:33:12 2023 No.60761119 >>60758795 Retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:45:25 2023 No.60761640 >>60760041 I'll say this: I respect Bae more than Kronii as a person and entertainer. However, even so I'd rather watch Kronii when she's streaming. It's like with Kiara, I respect the person but it's very difficult for me to enjoy their content.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:48:41 2023 No.60761790 >>60715600 a personality

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:55:08 2023 No.60762065 Everything. Nothing about her is a larger than life anime girl character. She is unsuited for hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:56:54 2023 No.60762152 >>60762065 Most of JP is just like that and they're still somehow super popular. Is it because JP fans just have no standards?

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:01:38 2023 No.60762386
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>>60754008
>subs do not
That's why Cover themselves rented a subway wall and plastered the whole thing with sub numbers right? And gave a statement about not looking a CCV remotely like /#/ does?

People like you keep saying subs don't matter but everyone who actually works in the industry knows otherwise. Sub can be the hardest number to move but is the closest guess to an idol fanbase who will pacifically support and spend money on THAT idol. Fans don't vanish in the air when an idol graduates either that's why people still sub afterwards, that why Kson didn't start from zero. CCVs on the other hand are too influenced by borrowed viewers from other fanbases, specific topic interest, time zones and people having jobs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:02:28 2023 No.60762432 >>60762065 I digress, she is the most suited for Hololive Hololive is an idol company and always has been, she is the most idol-like council The rest of council in comparison are sub-par idols but good streamers

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:08:23 2023 No.60762786 File: 181 KB, 467x549, -#-.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60715600 As far as numbers are concerned, she's still capable of mogging 99% of nijiEN. She isn't missing anything and is doing completely fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:23:04 2023 No.60763727 >>60762786 The usual suspects are really not gonna like this image

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:57:25 2023 No.60765564 >>60762065 >The girl who puts the most into idol reps is unsuited for hololive The shit you read here

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:57:37 2023 No.60765575 >>60720709 >Gura showing up so little makes her appearance more valuable do guracucks really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:58:55 2023 No.60765635 A good voice A non zoomer peraonality

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:59:10 2023 No.60765650 File: 489 KB, 829x525, 1667303751108331.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>60723324 i love her

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 16:32:38 2023 No.60767167

>>60738381
Truly a grim reminder that a large part of HoloEN viewers could not give less of a shit about the Idol side of Hololive, they just want their awkward anime girl streamer, an onahole for their entertainment. Anons /here/ probably care about the girls doing Idol programs a lot more than they do.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 16:44:23 2023 No.60767683

>>60715600
Her strength is physical performance, ie dancing.
She needs to focus more on 3d streams which I assume is part of the reason for moving to Japan.
Generally speaking she has improved in other areas too but she aint gonna take many viewers away from other holos who do their niches better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:18:07 2023 No.60769059 >>60762152 Alot of jp are also failures. >>60765564 Idols from real life (is showbusiness) are a different category than idols from anime (is a character gimmick).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:22:54 2023 No.60769274 >>60715600 She's just not funny enough and fails to capture the older demographic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:23:22 2023 No.60769301 >>60715600 Her hymen

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:24:32 2023 No.60769346 >>60769301 kek

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:26:45 2023 No.60769448

>>60751267
>In a hypthetical world where the whole of HoloEN are born japanese and get casted into HoloJP instead, Bae would be more popular simply because the japanese fans recognize hard work towards good content a bit more then their western counterparts. I'd say she'd be close to Towa and be a borderline 5view depending on the game she plays.
Extremely bizarre post considering JP viewing trends. It's really not that different from EN. Streambait like suika gets big noombers. Long playthroughs and chatting streams don't unless you're already popular.
>>60767167
Don't pretend like JP is any different. The most popular girls in JP aren't popular for their idol activities except for Suisei. They're popular as streamers first and foremost Nene will never be as popular as Pekora despite her idol credentials.
Ultimately it all comes down to whether you're an entertaining streamer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:28:41 2023 No.60769534 >>60769448 *Oh I also forgot Marine who's popular not for being an idol but for being a TikTok sensation and a generally good entertainer. Still, it's not the idol part which is the main draw for her fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:33:29 2023 No.60769781 >>60769534 Yeah Marine was not popular at all before she got on TikTok.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:36:50 2023 No.60769935 >>60738381 i can feel the seethe coming from my computer monitor through this post

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:37:53 2023 No.60769984 >>60715600 She needs to be born again and not collab with men.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:39:11 2023 No.60770038 >>60769781 Don't ignore the second half of my post about being a good entertainer. The point still stands.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:39:47 2023 No.60770068 >>60770038 That only came after she got popular on TikTok obviously.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:40:41 2023 No.60770117

>>60769534
Huh, Marine is a good example, she's like the antithesis of Bae.
>can zatsu for hours
>cute voice
>relatable discussion (being a massive otaku herself)
>can play a variety of games
She does all that while still being a great singer/pouring fortunes of her own money into songs that have been really popular. It really is all down to Bae's personality really. Hard to fix that.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:45:48 2023 No.60770344

>>60738381
This is a retarded post on multiple levels, the biggest of which is the statement that "accent" doesn't filter people. In fact I suspect and voice and model are two of the single biggest factors that go into popularity, neither of which you can really change since you're stuck with them. Maybe model a bit less since I've seen people overcome a model debuff, but voice is definitely insanely important since that's the main form of interaction with these people you're getting all day. If you can't stand listening to someone's voice or accent, you're not going to watch them. How popular would Suisei be if she had Sana's voice?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:46:01 2023 No.60770351 Needs to show her pussy

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 17:58:05 2023 No.60770911

>>60716119
>Gura will lean back and clap sometimes but it's pretty rare and only if a really-really unusually funny/well-timed thing happened, Bae does it like multiple times a stream over nothing
This so much. I think its something people learn as they age. Sometimes the best / funniest thing you can do is shut the fuck up and let the events play out. Kinda like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uius4CUizA
Feeling like you have to be constantly commenting on shit betrays her immaturity.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 18:12:20 2023 No.60771574

>>60715600
There are 3 things. Two she can't do anything about: her voice/laugh (too high pitched for most people to be able to tolerate) and her bright character model.

The last thing is a niche. There is nothing she excels at, nothing that she can capitalize upon to monopolize a particular market. She's basically a 'jack of all trades, master of none' individual, which means she'll always have some viewers, but she'll never have more than those that excel at something.

Just look at all the 'top' female streamers. They're not only cute, they have something they're very strong at. A well defined 'niche' that they can claim to be 'theirs'. Bae doesn't have that. She has passion, but that's not enough. No one watches a streamer for their passion.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 18:17:06 2023 No.60771768

>>60770344
Accent isn't the issue, it's the pitch of her voice. It's unfortunately too high, along with her laugh. It's not her fault, but unless she has a powerful niche that people can use to ignore the voice... then it becomes a massive deterrent. Pekora used to be bottom of the barrel tier you know. Way back when she started. But she overcame that by building a niche for herself. An image for people to latch onto. And now she's the biggest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 18:21:33 2023 No.60771999 >>60715600 >this thread Jesus Christ, people aren't joking when they say saplings are by far the biggest numberfags in holoEN And this wasn't even a Fauna thread what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 18:33:27 2023 No.60772532 A sloppy hotdog sucking ASMR stream would save her career

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:02:16 2023 No.60773787 >>60771999 It really is wild how they just take over threads like this

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:06:45 2023 No.60773937 Awareness past that of a 10 year old.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:20:04 2023 No.60774400 >>60773787 I think it's more accurate to say that they're the biggest catalogfags. It's a side effect of not keeping up a permanent general.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:23:22 2023 No.60774534 >>60771999 not even the first time i've seen this happen in a bae thread t b h

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:28:04 2023 No.60774693 >>60715600 Charisma?

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:40:27 2023 No.60775096

>>60715600
She is too weird in the middle.
Too zoomer to know the likes of Gamecube but old enough to get invested in some older anime.
Some La Creatura in languages that she cant fit in anywhere specific. JP focus on theirs, EN on theirs. Bae cant seem to focus on where she goes. And now she even visited Elira's stream.
Cant seem to make her mind if she wants to focus on dancing or singing.
Not even a proper gamer.

How do I put this? She is everywhere but nowhere specific.
She has no focus on what she actually intends to do.
Fauna has her ASMR and fun streams with the likes of Hitman or Skyrim for instance.

What does Bae have?
We literally had to focus on thighs and create the mating press topic cause you know, there isnt anything to truly connect her with.
Even Kronii has her voice and Mumei managed to create this "Dark Mumei" or whatever you wanna call it. Heck, Mumei and Kronii collabs are also a thing.

But with Bae it usually comes down to:
-Thighs
-Mating Press
-Aussie
-Dancing
-Maybe languages

But none of that is something genuinely memorable in terms of content.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:47:14 2023 No.60775348

>>60762386
>Cover themselves rented a subway wall and plastered the whole thing with sub numbers
Sub numbers look impressive because they're big, and get idiots like you clapping their hands. It's perfect advertisement material, but not that interesting when it comes to measuring actual outreach.
>gave a statement about not looking a CCV
What they meant by that is that they look at the whole picture. If a talent sells merch out the ass, has thousands of members and gets juicy SCs every stream, it obviously doesn't matter what the CCV is in this context. We don't have those internal numbers of course, which is why /#/ looks at the numbers we actually do have: Vod views, SCs and average CCV.
>you keep saying subs don't matter
No, subs do matter, but mostly as a function to get more eyes on your stream and for advertisement purposes. (Like in your pic.)
>who will pacifically support and spend money on THAT idol
No, there are plenty of channels with literally millions of subs but with nobody watching. Even if you're subbed to a channel, if you never watch it, it will stop being recommended for you. The sub count stays, but that sub is effectively worthless because it never translates into views.
>too influenced by borrowed viewers from other fanbases, specific topic interest, time zones and people having jobs
Which is why /#/ also tries to analyze the reasons and extrapolate. There's a reason terms like "raidbaby" exists. But like I said, vod views also matter, it's just harder to compare since stream lengths vary and so does content. (Obviously a 3 minute song will get more views than a 5 hour gaming stream.)
CCV is basically shorthand for how many people of the intended target audience bothers showing up for a stream. It's makes for easy comparisons of who has eyes on them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:47:52 2023 No.60775370 I like when she says 'BRUH'. It's made me start saying it irl.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:48:09 2023 No.60775379

>>60715600
A better design for one thing. There’s a reason why Botan, Gura, Pekora, Miko, etc have so many viewers. Their designs are iconic and easy to remember. Not too many colors or weird clothing choices. They went too hard on her “chaos” shit that it just looks worse than shit you’d pull in a Gacha game

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:49:01 2023 No.60775406

>>60716376
Fauna is more like a second EN behind Mumei now, and I say that while being more of a sapling than anything. While Fauna probably has the most consistent average "normal stream" CCV and general interest, and the best skills as a streamer and entertainer, Mumei isn't that far off from her, and makes up for the difference with her singing skills and wider audience appeal, especially during events. Maybe her "Gura-ish" voice helps too now that Goob is basically gone? At least some people probably moved to her over time, because of similarity and her being a popular and solid HoloEN in the first place.
At the end of the day tho you can't go wrong with either of them, and the fact they are close friends only makes it better. FauMei domination is real, and I couldn't be happier for them.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:49:14 2023 No.60775411

>>60775096
other members seem to really like her and actually tell positive believable stories, where as i feel like alot of "Stories" are really shoehorned in forced content, i dont really like her content personally, but i do feel like this is a bit of a reach.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:53:10 2023 No.60775594 >>60775406 Don't worry, we can tell you're a sapling.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 19:59:29 2023 No.60775871

>>60715600
A time machine to go back to the past and not be a slut right out of the gate before even establishing an identity. She's also not particularly good at anything including conversation and often comes across as uneducated. People say idol stuff is her strength but she's really not going hard at it like Suisei does for instance. She just lacks any kind of focus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:10:28 2023 No.60776284 >>60728374 Which stream was that again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:13:05 2023 No.60776375 >>60776284 https://www.youtube.com/live/jrJ8YuEbGZ0?si=e__BIRj5Py3rgydd&t=7699

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:17:43 2023 No.60776562 >>60776375 Grim.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:22:49 2023 No.60776789 >>60776375 She left her own stream? Jesas. I thought it was Fauna's stream. What a joke

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:24:23 2023 No.60776859 >>60776375 Thought it would be even worse, like Bae actually answering the call on stream there, but still not the best look for her.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:34:30 2023 No.60777250

Very sheltered life, her entire personality is coffee based. I'd say if anything, the sheer noise of her model and the chaos aspect filters people and if she actually knew memes and references I bet people would be more interested in knowing her. Gives off Stacy energy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:36:04 2023 No.60777306 a better voice a better personality a better model a better timeslot a better past without homo collabs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:37:36 2023 No.60777385 >>60776859 lol wait til she actually moves to japan and she sees that japanese dudes actually treat women like dogs, she has no idea what's about to hit her lmao, shell be a fuckable piece of meat for nip bros that will be used up in a year or 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:38:56 2023 No.60777447 >>60738381 I wanted to call full bullshit, then I remembered one of the catalysts for vtubers 2020 explosion was rushia and miko saying nigga in their streams

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:39:44 2023 No.60777482 Aussie accent is a hard filter for a lot of people

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:42:24 2023 No.60777603 >>60776375 >>60776859 lol, the worst part of that isn't that she left the stream, it's that she put Fauna in an awkward situation by saying that she's going to wish Magni happy birthday, begging the question why Fauna isn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:44:23 2023 No.60777691 >>60777385 >lol wait til she actually moves to japan it’s Japan not a slave camp in the Middle East, you’ve never been to Japan in your life

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:45:11 2023 No.60777730

I'm certain it's been said, but she lacks passion. She loves hololive, loves her friends but she isn't trying to improve on something. There's no character arc here, it's just about going to Japan and hanging out with other vtubers at this point. Show me some development, give me a story. Aqua has her aim to be best at apex and get over her social anxiety, Korone has her retro gaming love and wants to play all of them, Calli has her "rap music", suisei, watame and Towa want to be top singing idols and host big concerts. Bae has being friends and hanging out. Do something worth caring about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 20:47:05 2023 No.60777810 >>60777730 She has singing and dancing, doesn't she?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:00:45 2023 No.60778383 >>60722176 kek this

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:03:56 2023 No.60778519

>>60777730
She's already near her peak, with actually decent Japanese and idol qualities. That recent タイヨウのうた cover? Divine. Passion doesn't only mean improving on your faults. When you're already great at certain things, the continued hard work that's poured in is what if not passion? What she really lacks is a hook that has mass appeal, which circles back to >>60738381

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:09:06 2023 No.60778719 >>60753102 this. the fake shit is annoying as hell

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:11:27 2023 No.60778811 I'd be down for a Bae timeskip where she drops the squeaky pitched voice. Can't get enough of her normal voice.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:13:40 2023 No.60778925
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>>60754278
side note: Fauna's the only person that can make me click on a non-shitpost-review of cottonfield™. take that, TODD

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:19:43 2023 No.60779193

the thing you got to understand with Bae is that she'd rather have similar career profile as Kiara/Mori, with small streaming audience, but decently big one that appreciates her creative side (and compensates it enough to be involved in bigger creative projects in the future) rather than attract a crowd but mainly as a meme/audio filler

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:22:20 2023 No.60779303

>>60754278
the content perception also helps
Calli has monkeys pop up constantly in the chat going "wait, I thought you hate Minecraft?" because that's what got clipped and popularized in the general viewer sphere
so there's less incentive for a casual viewer to click into that MC stream, since in their view it's just gonna be someone playing a game they dislike begrudgingly

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:26:28 2023 No.60779457

Bae attempted to be kind of a smart alec zoomer you want to correct but it just fell flat because she's honestly too sweet of a person. The problem is, she is kind of a weird combination of sweet and thoughtless where she'll do things that are well-intentioned but not considerate of the situation. She was actually poised to be the EN Subaru in terms of a "normie" experiencing all your nerd shit for the first time but she leaned too hard into the memelord angle when she is not great at it. She played a penis game and all anyone actually reacted to was the fact that she played it. Meanwhile, you can have Fauna's Trucking simulator resulting in a big silly moment or even something like Nenechi memes spawning out of supa readings which are considered boring for most clippers. Bae can even make a triumph feel mild like with the Getting Over It competition.

To be the "best" at Vtubing, a lot of luck is involved even though people don't want to admit it. Bae has actually had a lot of luck and a lot of chances but her issue stems from an inability to capitalize on her faults in those situations. She wants to be fun when her voice is sexy. She wants to have unique ideas for streams but doesn't know how to make it entertaining. She wants so bad for situations to be funny that they become farcical. At the end of the day, even with some of her actions going against the spirit of things it is hard to hate her because there is an endearing quality of someone trying their best and it resulting in a mild showing every time. I personally think she needed to be more genuine from the start but now that she's here I would say she should pivot into streams going wrong as a feature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:30:26 2023 No.60779584 >>60728374 >and not in the endearing way Not everyone can be IRyS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:44:46 2023 No.60780098 >>60777730 This is the worst and most ill informed take in this entire thread and that's saying a lot

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:47:55 2023 No.60780187 >>60779584 IRyS is fake as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:49:50 2023 No.60780274 Reading some of these points, I get the feeling not a lot of these people watch her, know her and are throwing out their opinions just because?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 21:52:29 2023 No.60780388 >>60780274 They are all Saplings from /#/ down to the talking points, these people haven't watched a second if Bae I assure you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:01:57 2023 No.60780784 >>60780388 Are you also from /#/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:02:17 2023 No.60780799 >>60777730 >suisei, watame and Towa want to be top singing idols and host big concerts Are we pretending Bae hasn't been doing everything to work towards a sololive and world tour

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:03:02 2023 No.60780828 >>60780388 Hi Jakartan, rare to see you outside of your containment thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:05:09 2023 No.60780929 >>60780784 Yes, majority of them seem to really be praising Fauna while shitting on Bae which is the same routine you see in the /#/ thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:11:02 2023 No.60781194 >>60780929 Saplings are rapidly becoming the >ME ME ME ME Fanbase along with IRyStocrats

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:13:15 2023 No.60781293 >>60781194 Nobody believes you, despite how much you samefag Jakartaschizo. Back to /#/ with you Saplings love Bae.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:13:49 2023 No.60781308 >>60781194 >becoming

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:14:57 2023 No.60781358 >>60781293 Oh I'm sure they do judging by the state of this thread kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:14:58 2023 No.60781359 >>60781194 Just saplings honestly, they have earned quite the reputation. The fact that they're actively posting in a Bae bait thread should tell you everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:15:48 2023 No.60781392 >>60781358 It's all you. I covered that with the samefagging comment, retard. You've tried for 2 years and you've still lost embarrassingly every time kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:17:42 2023 No.60781476 >>60781392 I don't even know who the Jakarta schizo is or what the fuck you are talking about since I'm NTA but you are fucking delusional and sheltered if you genuinely believe Saplings don't hate Bae, one visit to /#/ is all you need.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:19:48 2023 No.60781574 >>60781392 I swear on my dead mom I made 4 posts max in this thread but go off chasing boogeymen schizo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:20:03 2023 No.60781587 >>60781476 Anyone in /#/ cares more about spreadsheets than watching streams, you lost the second you used this to try to falseflag, Jakartan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:21:17 2023 No.60781644 >>60781476 Or even just to /uuu/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:22:22 2023 No.60781687 >>60776375 Bae being such a mess, and not in a cute pon way, is relateable. Entertainers who are perfect and always able to read the room and schedule everything perfectly are boring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:22:22 2023 No.60781688 >>60781392 Fucking embarrassing, imagine defending proven numberfags and trying to die on this hill

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 22:24:29 2023 No.60781769 >>60781392 Embarrassing, imagine trying to defend a fanbase that has a reputation for being shitposting numberfags and trying to die on this hill

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