Matsuri's income is roughly 9,000 USD per month

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi56FDzIw6M
>Last month, Laplus's income was roughly that of a regular salaried employee, ranging between 130,000 JPY (958 USD) and 2,300,000 JPY (16,944 USD).
>Matsuri mentioned that there's a zero missing
>Laplus said that Matsuri's earnings are higher by 5,000 compared to hers.
Could this situation be due to Laplus switching to Twitch, resulting in earnings that are even lower than those of lower-tier Hololive members such as Matsuri?

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>>60614192
Better than giving your talents 2% cut.

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They're retarded millennial/zoomer women who think a million dollars means they never work again. The reason women are most consumer spending is because they blow through money like it's nothing. All of them think the money will keep coming forever, then when it doesn't they'll be angry and confused. In 20 years you'll be at walmart celebrating trans rights day buying some soi milk bug-flavored iced cream and Gura will be there asking if you want to pay a dollar extra for plastic bags (a result of President Hunter Biden's new mandate to stop pollution by plastic bags) and you'll lock eyes for a moment, then she'll look away- she knows you know she knows. She fucked up. The end. That's the rest of her life

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>>60614192
was she including her roommates income? because i know she makes a good amount of money

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>>60614192
That's nuts

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>>60614372
probably just holo

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>>60614192
she's done that to herself, she could be earning so much more than matsuri
too bad

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>>60614754
It's not like people can't donate to her on twitch

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>>60615287
Matsuri also fucked up, I'm pretty sure a lot of holos earn more than 50k a month

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>>60615287
She pick a poison by playing FPS
It's double edge
> u success, u become famous
> u fail, u will bombard by haters

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>>60614192
funny that a 6 months ago she was complaining about all the taxes she was paying

https://youtu.be/yjg2yxszyg4?si=hMuPINwy3ZJ-mDyG

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>>60614303
wtf is this fanfic, bro...

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>>60616852
In this world they have a chance at hag Gura.

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>>60614192
Turns out Twitch is shit for getting growth unless you're already big or got big streamers raiding you.

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>>60616852
Pretty sure that's some literal AI posting.

>>60615513
Then get an accountant. And one that's not shit or you get things like Mori not knowing about the Tax Treaty the US got with Japan and thus overpaying taxes.

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>>60614192
>>60614402
>>60614372
>>60614754
Matsuri says it's because her birthday was that month.

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Imagine earning less than goddamn Matsuri when everything was amazing for you in the beginning and people used to love you.
If only she actually streamed and didn't go with the baffling decision of transferring to twitch to... not stream there either.

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>>60614192
even 3views earn more than that

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>>60614192
gonna do my own summary for my own sake stream of consciousness style because something feels off
>laplus zoom zoom always overexaggerates for effect
>Matsuri known humble bragging and more even-toned between the two=her reactions mean more here
>Matsuri saying "missing a 0" is a decimal place off not literally multiply by 10
>much less 5000, which is insane and Matsuri immediately repeatedly starts saying " not 5000" because that's retarded
>only moment both reactions were similar were when they were surprised at how low lapluss was
>then consider Matsuri mentioned her bday
>she forgot to mention she also had a costume
>Matsuri had an anniversary outfit reveal, a birthday stream, and a birthday karaoke
>the revenue from this listed on playboard is 12k
>she had 18 other streams total that much
>combined revenue of those 18 streams is 7k
>you now remember that playboard has trouble with pre-chat SC and doesn't count membership gifts
>you also remember that outside of big SC earners, pre-chat SCs and mem gifts happen almost exclusively with big events like bday/outfit streams
>that 12k figure is probably closer to 1-3k higher in reality, average I'd say she probably got 13.5k
>usual 33% cut logic
>her outfit and bday got her 4.5k(3 streams)
>her normal streams got her 2.3k(18 streams)
>Matsuri is using a figure from a very specific momth where her dono income was triple its average
>4.5k+2.3k= let's round to 8k out of cbf energy
>memberships, baseline poverty salary, merch=some amount more
Okay so despite being sus about your title OP after actually running numbers your 9k figure is close to the point of being an impressively good guess.
I want to note a few things about this btw
as said, her income was triple this month as a one-off, 2.5k a month otherwise is absolute shit tier
the thing that didn't surprise me but would surprise most of /#/ is how it's impossible for merch to dwarf her SC income without the numbers of that conversation drastically
In fact if merch was even ONLY a solid 2 grand more, decimal places start getting added, so realistically what this conversation tells me is that despite getting frequent visibility on corpo events, even her merch sales pale in comparison to SC during a month where she earns SC totals that you get if you are a holo who seems to do ガチ恋営業/コーン売り/being Towa or Suisei(but merch instead of SC). I never bought the "merch income is so high it makes SC a rounding error!!!!" narrative that people peddle around sometimes so it's personally nice to see such a clear sign of it being BS
As for Laplus...
Logically speaking her earnings must be the factor of ten one lower than Matsuris 8k-9k unless we just assume everything is bullshit so...
Yeah, really the only possible assumption to make is that she earned less than 1k. Let's be generous and assume the higher end of 100-999, but even the highest estimate is still awful. Matsuri normally pulling ~2.5kish also still fits since she is simply used to income being some single digit multiple of 1000 on average, so seeing Laplus be in the state of earning hundreds instead of thousands fits perfectly with the reaction of missing a decimal place
Don't forget that taxes are coming, too
tl;dr
Matsuri got to be a high earner this month so don't use her income here as a good indicator of the lower earners usual.
Laplus is effectively earning a bit under half of what Matsuris usual is
I feel like a single month is a poor sample size too since my gut says variance for sure occurs month to month. Therefore, in my opinion, based specifically on this as evidence, I don't feel it's strong enough to make claims about Twitch(YET).
On a personal level though, I hope Twitch becomes a person just so that it then kills itself. Seriously man, fuck Twitch.
Also, obligatory Laplus is a whore

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I have a feeling that laplus isn't going to make it to next anniversary. Same shit that happened with Sana will happen, maybe Vesper and Magni in the way of no graduation stream. You can't live anywhere if you need to pay rent or bills with that low level of income.

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>>60618187
Basically, Matsuri sits around 25k annually post tax
Laplus is sitting at BELOW 10k annually post tax
Laplus is actually in poverty lmao holy shit
SHE WENT INTO POVERTY, UNIRONIC POVERTY, OVER COCK
SHE DESTROYED HER FINANCIAL STABILITY
FOR COCK
LITERALLY NOTHING BUT COCK

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>>60618553
Laplus is from wealthy family and is quite spoiled which is why she has trouble appreciating the money fans give her.

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>>60614192
Because Laplus is a moron and doesn't understand that people want more variety than valorant and shorts.

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>>60618553
what cock? she won't get any now that she's poor and unpopular.

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>>60614303
Schizo shit

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>>60614303
I can't really find it anymore, but I remember Kiara saying she had bought a few apartments to rent out. Some of them have brains at least, although in this case it's unsurprisingly the germanic Euro.

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>>60619359
Hell if she's not a shit LandLord she can easily have solid gains off that for decades.

>>60618778
Doesn't help she's NOT GOOD at Valorant. Like her first big montage since going to Twitch she doesn't show any real skill or even has something cool like her clutching out a win as last man standing or getting an Ace.
Also the editing was rather poor. I'm not asking for Badger tier editing but come on just throwing ZANY SOUND EFFECTS onto your mediocre play ain't good enough if you're doing heavily trimmed clip shows. Also holy fuck 25 rounds on one map wtf is wrong with that game. Was she on like a 24/7 DE_Dust2 server or something

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>>60614303
>>>/lit/

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>>60618997
Oh no anon she didn't even do it for cock out of a desire for cock
she did it for cock out of a desire to be somebody who does things for cock
laplus is a true whore; her moral compass itself is whore=good

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>>60614192
>Matsuri
>9,000 USD per month
Actually, that's lower than I have imagined.
I don't talk about her, though. What I wanna say is my beloved dogs deserved MORE.
Even Matsuri makes less than 100k$ per month, so what it'd be when it comes to my fledgling puppies?
They must be earning like less than 1500$ per month and they're literally crying in gratitude, being thankful for the fact that they could have someone paying money for their performance in the end.
Something is wrong in hololive.

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>>60618187
>anon: merch money is bullshit see my headcannon wall of text!
damn you are retarded, meanwhile, on that very video:
>matsuri: your normal income should be 10x more (missing a zero)
>laplus: birthday merch? ah still, thats like 5000x more than mine

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>>60621370
Matsuri had a great month because it was her turn for the DD cuck collective to use her as their holobox findom FOTM
Holobox JP DDs are the evil twin of Holo JP gachis. I wish the EN fandom could get the energy of holo jp gachis without being infected by DD brainrot. the good girls like fwmc deserve at least that much.

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>>60621370

1500$....fuck are you even on about. They earn at least 10x of that.

The fucking 3D suit Kiara is getting cost her 16-17K, and she wants Cover to buy it and deduct the 17K from her salary. You underestimate what they make.

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>>60621680
>overly aggressive about defending merch
check
>uses meme arrows to make a strawman of the post he replies to
check
>the rest of his post makes no fucking sense
check
Seek therapy for anger management
And if you're wondering why your post makes no sense
>>laplus: birthday merch?
who are you quoting? it can't be laplus, because neither of them referred to merch at any point. It's not like the subtitles misinformed you about that either, you literally put words in her mouth out of thin air.

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>>60614192
Is this post or pretax?

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>>60618187
>Matsuri saying "missing a 0" is a decimal place off not literally multiply by 10
That is the same thing anonchama, it is in the name "decimal"

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>>60622084
Kiara is in the top 3 highest earning EN vtubers period, in all forms of earning.
You overestimate what these girls make.

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>>60618553
>Laplus is sitting at BELOW 10k annually post tax
How? Even the vspo girls have a minimum of 2k memberships. The bigger ones are probably around 6-8k. After youtube, agency cut, and tax, that works out at a minimum of about $24k per year.

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>>60622136
Funnily enough, there's no way to interpret the wording in a way that places Laplus in anything but the lowest tax bracket of 5%. And 5% coupled with such a low amount means that whether pre or post it doesn't end up changing the numbers in any meaningful way
she is literally just that poor lmao

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>>60622118
Do you honestly believe that superchats, where youtube takes an enormous cut, are worth more than cheaply produced merch that Cover and the talent can split profits from (obv not a 50/50 split but still good)?

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>>60614192
dyrbi

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>>60622167
poor phrasing on my part.
when I said "literally a multiple of ten", I used literally in the actual sense of the word. For the case of people who hear "missing a 0" and assume that that meant that Matsuri expected Lapluss income to be exactly that value, down to the same exact sequence of numbers, but multiplied by ten. tldr of Matsuri saw say $961.33 when she said missing a zero it was in the normal person sense of "shouldn't you be getting 4 figures instead of 3?", and not saying "shouldn't your income be exactly $9613.30, down to the cent?"

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>>60614303
>In 20 years you'll be at walmart celebrating trans rights day buying some soi milk bug-flavored iced cream and Gura will be there asking if you want to pay a dollar extra for plastic bags
Truly the worst timeline

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>>60614192
You do know that matsuri has her own roommate fanbox, same with laplus
Right? They dont give a shit about superchats

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>>60614192
Kek. Zoomerholos are mostly retarded and lazy, but damn La+ really is the bottom of that totem pole in terms of stupidity.

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>>60617312
>Pretty sure that's some literal AI posting.
>anything longer than a single sentence is AI
Seek education, retardzoomer.

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>>60614192
You guys talk like they are in USA or Europe where the life can be pretty bad with 1.5K dollars. But they live in Japan and 1K is acually not bad, of course you're not rich but you can live and depends on where you are, you can live with no problem with that money.

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>>60622887
yeah. she has made mistake after mistake on top of not caring enough to stream regularly. i'm not shocked she barely earns any money. you have to put in SOME effort.

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>mfw I'm a wagie and I earn more than La+

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>>60618553
She's a spoiled brat, it's no wonder she acts the way she does.

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>>60623741
Correction required

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>>60622887
The older streamers have all worked shit jobs before, and most have nothing to fall back on. So they know to not half-ass things. The zoomers are lacking that grit.

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>>60622276
The spo grills never goofed like lashit did by allowing her shitty fleshtuber friends to shit on her holo fanbase with her in tacit agreement on stream

ayame for example is disliked because she never streams and comes back only for money but beyond that she's considered irrelevant
lapshit is actually truly hated by the nips
that's a rare thing by holo standards as even though every girl has her fair or unfair share of schizos, none are actually on the whole disliked, and rightfully so, for shit they pulled on their RM's time

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>>60617252
Twitch meta is streaming 24/7 so the channel stays at the top of the category

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>>60622365
>Do you honestly believe that superchats, where youtube takes an enormous cut, are worth more than cheaply produced merch that Cover and the talent can split profits from (obv not a 50/50 split but still good)?
Yes, that is possible and Nijisanji only gives a 2% cut on merch which is typical of the Japanese idol industry where the company takes most of the money. Why do you think Cover shills aggressively defend Hololive when no one knows what percentage the talents get on generic merch? Axel and Fauna have both implied they don't get much from the generic merch.

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>>60624942
Ugh... I have seen a lot people say that. Do you have a clip perhaps or at least her RM channel?

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>>60614192
Wow that's not that much, i thought it would be more, way more. I make more than her, i wonder if she would go out with a guy that throws money at her.

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>>60627667
So it was 2% all along... or do you think it is more than that, like 10% for example?

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>>60618997
Yes anon because men ask for a womens finaces before having a one night stand.

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>>60628298
She said she will stop streaming if someone gave her like 100m yen.

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>>60628563
Thats a little over half a mil...umm. Did she say what arrangement she was open to, like full on live in gf situation or what.

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>>60614192
>Laplus said that Matsuri's earnings are higher by 5,000 compared to hers.
>clip clearly says 5000x
Typical baitposter illiteracy

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>>60619359
That should be the norm as this may not last forever for them, feel glad for wawa putting her money to good use

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>>60628934
use your brain anon

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>>60628657
I don't remember what the exact number was, but she said that when she was playing apex/valorant with non holo members.

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>>60614192
Imagine being laplus. You're the most popular holo at one point and you throw it all away for e-sport player fuccboi attention and to try and pull a Mori (and fail horribly just like she did).

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>>60628409
Anon. She used the popularity she gained to get the attention of E-celebs she wants to fuck.
Those E-celebs will start ignoring her now that she can't get them clout. Same shit happened to Mori and Ollie.

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>>60629376
>Ollie
this is the hard evidence lol

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>>60629376
What does that have to do with her getting fucked by random men

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>>60629554
She doesn't want to get fucked by random men. She wants to get fucked by very specific men that will now forget she exists because they get to choose from other E-celeb obsessed zoomers.

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>>60629662
That just spunds like shes depressed and crazy, will probably end up fucking random men.

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>>60629265
What was the deal with her, i keep hearing she tried to send her audience to her irl channel and was trying to do music as her irl persona.

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>>60629937
Mikeneko is her role model

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>>60629991
What's wrong with this girls, they see a golden goose and immediately think "how can i shit on this". One of my reasons for leaening Japanese is to finally learn all this weird Japanese drama.

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>>60622966
As you said, depends on where they live. Most HoloJPs live in metropolitan Tokyo nowadays - according to Google, CoL there is around $800 without counting rent - which meant La+ couldn't have saved much.

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>>60618553
Qrd? What cock?

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>>60629937
She's the Mori of JP. Both pulled the same shit and failed.

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>>60628333
I doubt any of the Japanese vtuber corpos give more than a 5% cut on generic merch. Nijisanji livers are more vocal about their employer but even Hololive talents say that fans should pay attention to how much they self promote the merch. Axel flat out told viewers that of the different ways of financially supporting a vtuber that buying generic merch was the worst method.

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>>60631301
>Merch is not good
>Supas are not good
So whats left?

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>>60629376

Can someone explain how this relates to mori at all?
or is it the dumb trashtaste/connor thing again?

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>>60631301
>listen from shiter about merch sale
of course he prefer supa

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>>60622365
>Do you honestly believe that superchats, where youtube takes an enormous cut, are worth more than cheaply produced merch that Cover and the talent can split profits from (obv not a 50/50 split but still good)?
Superchats are too convenient and too rewarding for fans of holes that do the bare minimum needed to actually get a reliable regular stream of them
For every otaku with a neet cave of $15ks worth of merch, there's a dozen whales who might have a few items and yet threw just as much money
merch is in a weird place IMO, merch sells good for both cadualfags AND otakus with a 'healthy' sense of distance, but we are human beings and therefore being healthy overall is a funny joke

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>>60630404
mine

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>>60630404
Japanese FPS fuccboi streamers with edgy e-celeb clout and a reputation for womanizing
The above describes 99% of Japanese male streamers
You should know how to do the basic reps by now for more info, but honestly who cares about the exact fuccbois in question, those faggots might as well be factory made over in Japan

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>>60632484
You're a piece of shit too for enabling a zoomer xestroy their financial future just so for the pump.and dump, respect women

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>>60629881
>That just spunds like shes depressed and crazy
zoomer
japanese
japanese zoomer
depressed and crazy is sort of a given

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>>60618553
Anon, hololive streamers are salaried. Roboco, who isn't even that popular within hololive, makes enough to buy land in the middle of Tokyo and build a house on it, none of them are anywhere near poor.

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>>60622170
anon, they're literally millionaires. Not even the top members, even middle of the roaders.

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>>60633251
She made enough money to be able to take out the loan, a lot different than just outright buying it.

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>>60633462
Nope, bought.

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>>60633495
Dig up proof it wasn't a loan.

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>>60633251
Roboco is one of the oldest members though, she probably has a dedicated core fanbase.

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That's nice. How much of it is from her Fantia? That 10000 JPY/subscriber probably adds up quickly.

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>>60614192
>implying La+ has the slightest idea of what the average salaryman pay is

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>>60633858
La+ has hers also though.

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>>60633251
Anon, laplus probably makes the least money in JP right now. Jap fans despise her and a lot of her viewers are foreigners. She fucked off to twitch because she had to find a new audience.
Imagine how desperate she has to be to go to a platform that has worse revenue than YouTube.

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>>60633858
What do you even get with that?

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>>60634285
She though "I'm going to be the 1% of twitch (fucking rich)" but she forgot the millionares of the 1% streams ALOT and most of the money they get are not donos but sponsors.
She's fucking stupid like a retard toddler

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>>60634285
She has the loli buff though. There are holomem with even less than that.

[Anonymous No.]

That seems pretty reasonable for a bottom-of-the-barrel JP talent with very few gachis.

[Anonymous No.]

Matsuri has 500+ people paying for her 10K tier on fantia every month. Plus she has like 5000 members on youtube.

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>>60636390
Doesnt count

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>>60636390
They were clearly only talking about hololive money

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>>60636419
>>60636429
Says who? No indication of that.

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Laplus deserves it,
she went hard on the ollie route with an added element of 魂活動 and she's now reaping what she's sown.
time will tell if this is a wakeup call for her and she starts to actually put in the effort or if she'll end up like kson or mike

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>>60636390
What did Matsuri do right that Mel did wrong? Mel ain't even breaking 100 for her 10k tier. Isn't she supposed to be the hottest Holo?

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>>60638442
Posting more risky stuff.

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>>60634286
Videos of Matuli jerking off her gross used dildos and boob pics

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>>60638442
>Isn't she supposed to be the hottest Holo?
No lmao unless you think bones are hot.

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>>60638520
No seriously.

>>60636390
Ok seriously, what is even there. What do the holos do in thise accounts. Loke more personal blogs and shit? Lewd stuff? What.

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>>60638627
>No seriously.
That anon is not joking

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>>60638627
So far she's posted two bra pics, atopless picture of her in the bath with only her hair covering her nipples, a picture of her sex toys, an illustration she drew of her masturbating and two videos of her giving a handjob to her dildo.

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>>60633369
I almost always notice people saying this when they aren't paypigs
if I ever see a massive paypig say it I'll reconsider something that isn't real according to the numbers, until.then I discredit this type of stuff as usual background hustloooooomers seething

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>>60638549
>No lmao unless you think bones are hot.
I'm with you there, gotta have some heat (no fatsos tho)
Coming back to my question, did something change in the last few years? I have heard that of the girls who are in Hololive now, Mel was the biggest star and most financially successful amongst the ~50 of them back in 2016-2018. Were JP standards different then or did she have more weight back then?

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>>60638711
>>60638737
Wait are you fucking kidding me, seriously? Like as Matsuri, as the character Matsuri? How does that happen, Does yagoo not give a shit? What about Mel does she do similar stuff? Man whu do EN girls never do this type of stuff.

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>>60636711
back to you

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>>60639053
>as the character Matsuri
Obviously not

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>>60639053
Mel does ASMR in cosplay. Has had nipslips and pussyslips.
Noel does Noel.
Lap has posted pics of her in a sexy maid costume.

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>>60639053
>Man whu do EN girls never do this type of stuff.
It's because EN viewers are puritans whose favorite activity is accusing each other's oshis of being worthless whores while idolizing purity to the point to the point of parody

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>>60639203
Noel has outright begun simulating sex acts with dildos for the last 18 months, she is the closest to pushing the R18 line.

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>>60624739
It's worse because the zoomers will look back in 20 years while working at Donki or 7-11 and think "if only I wasn't retarded like La+ and actually made money like Pekora I could be retired right now".

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>>60639191
Oh, ok.

>>60639203
Man EN girls need to catch up.

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>>60618553
Can't beat the cock.

[Anonymous No.]

She makes anywhere from 2-5 million yen in SC per apex gacha stream
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/ranking/UCQ0UDLQCjY0rmuxCDE38FGg.html
but otherwise even her bday SC numbers are not particularly impressive. has to be from merch sale

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>>60639818
I wonder what the plan is for this girls, do they think people are gonna be watching them ay apex 20 years from now?

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>>60624739
It really shows, the hags are all much more interesting because they put effort in their content. The zoomers are all cruising on the holo name and/or loli models.

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>>60624739
If you think some otaku salaryman paypig wont be right there to marry LaPlus (No sex marriage, only handholding for 10 minutes, once a month, also please do not touch me otherwise, also do not ask where i go on the weekends or who my friends are, thank you) then you dont know how bad the pussy game is in Japan for regular dudes.

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>>60615466
Flare said once how much she got and it was close to 50k iirc.

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>>60624942
>The spo grills never goofed like lashit did by allowing her shitty fleshtuber friends to shit on her holo fanbase with her in tacit agreement on stream
No fucking this way tgis happened, is shse that retarded. So shes a jp stacy making fun of otaku? Thats fucking retarded, you keep that shit to yourself.

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>>60614192
Laplus switched to Twitch?
I saw her stream on Twitch a few times, but I thought that was just for guerilla Valo streams.

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>>60617312
If Mori was overpaying for taxes, she can get it refunded.

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>>60639053
There are plenty of indie girls who have OF or Fansly accounts on the side. And next year there will be an EN AVtuber corpo that will have regular streams on youtube and 18+ streams and videos elsewhere.

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>>60618423
Sana at least had people donate on the rare occasions she did stream because she always gave sob stories about why she hadn't been around. Laplus on the other hand is in the position she is because she kept burning bridges.

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>>60621370
Matsuri is on the lower end of earnings, and FWMC is definitely getting a lot more than her. Matsuri Birthday stream got around 200k yen in superchats, meanwhile, all FWMC karaokes were around 500k~600k yen.
It's hard to know how much they get from things outside of superchats, but Matsuri probably got around 2k~3k usd in superchats, so the rest were merch and their salary.
If we also apply more or less the same metrics, I think it's safe to assume that FWMC last month got around 30k, with a more optimistic possibility of it being around 50k.

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>>60631301
>>60631696
They probably don't get much from generic merch. Most of them you can't even buy it from Hololive store, since Hololive only sells the right to produce them. For example, these playmats are on pre-order right now, but it's Bushiroad that's selling them, so a percentage of that goes to Cover, and a fraction of that goes to the talent.
I would say that 10% would be a lot, it's closer to 5%.
Just think, these playmats are 20$ each. The shop itself is getting a good 8$ from it, and buying from the factory for 12$.
The total cost to the factory should be around 8$ with a margin of 4$ per product.
And from those 8$, at best, the factory is paying 1$~2$ to print Korone on it to Cover, which would mean that even if Cover gave 50% of their earnings from it, it would still only be 2,5%~5% at best.
They get a lot more from personalized merch because Cover is the one getting them directly from the factory and they are selling the product themselves.

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>>60640604
She wants to chase e-celeb cock on twitch, since there aren't many on youtube.

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>>60642491
you think it costs a factory $8 to make a fucking playmat LMAO these numbers are so fucking insanely dumb.

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>>60643473
Oops, I meant Bushiroad, not the factory. Bushiroad most likely doesn't own a playmat factory, so the 8$ includes how much they pay each to the factory, shipping to japan (including customs tax), re-shipping them to stores across japan, and however much they pay Cover for the license.

[Anonymous No.]

Is kinda funny to read these poor tourist just knowing about the lewd content hololive girls do outside the company, kinda cute you guys know nothing about your oshis.

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>>60621370
I only check in on their streams occasionally but it seems like they make that much in superchats alone per stream, anon. Now of course youtube and cover take a heavy amount of that but they stream every day + memberships + merch, they make way more than $1500 per month

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>>60640323
Weird thing is that japanese OLs have the same problem. Just look at the shit they put up with with host clubs.

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>>60644659
>hololive girls
Don't speak as if they were all doing this, only a few do and for the most part they are just as slutty on their V persona.

>tourist
better a tourist than a doxxfag, people who actually like vtuber and vtubing in general tend to avoid those information.
(another reason why most EN tuber are so hated, they can't seem to keep the wall between V and real)

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>>60647375
literally not one of your three sentences are facts, that's impressive, esl-chama!

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>>60647819
every single one is true thoughstever

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>>60644659
EN viewers would have an aneurysm if they knew how closely vtubing and porn is tied in Japan. There's like a legit 50% chance that any random indie JP vtuber you pick has a fantia/fanbox account where she posts onasapos for their lovely fans

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>>60647375
>Only a few
Most of them have done something lewd. Not all of them are Noel level maybe but pretty much all of them have done erotic ASMR voices or a bit of camwhoring here and there.

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I didn't know that a Hololive could move to Twitch, I honestly see it as nonsense since (from my point of view) YouTube is better since with the premium you avoid ads on all channels and if you want exclusive content you only pay one small membership while on twitch you have to pay for each channel.

Can't go back to YouTube for a while I guess, right?

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>>60640366
You have to consider all the expenses they have to do to do their job plus the corpo cut and taxes… nevertheless I can see many holos making 10k net monthly easily and that’s for the low tier ones.

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>>60618065
That wasn’t her problem. Her problem was being caught lying, not caring about hololive and lusting for e-celeb cock.

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>>60647958
There is a reason it started as erolive a lot of the early members of hololive were people that had been trying to make money over the internet and a lot of the time that's porn or porn lite. Though there are factions like I don't believe fbk or previous fbk personas were in that or basically her gamers clique. I dunno if people are counting stuff as light as pekora's faceless streams with a bit of cleavage because if so you'd have to count like every single streamer or youtuber or actor out there for that.

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>>60614192
>make equal to more than any wagie or 9-5 playing video games for a couple hours every couple days
>people doompost about it
isn't that the dream? literally not having to work anymore and just getting to have fun and somehow get paid for it, who cares if it's not millionaire level. If I was making enough to not need a real job just playing games and talking to randos online for an hour, I'd be pretty happy with myself.

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>>60640124
I assume the older content creators are just riding out what time they have left doing this type of stuff and that's why you see them blowing their money on dumb shit like monkeys and expensive mattresses and the younger ones are either too stupid to think they can't do this forever or just plan to get married when they give up.

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>>60647375
EN vtubers are hated because they are lazy whores who hates their fans. Even Noel who makes a lot of risky content cares about her fans and that’s something you can’t really get in the western scene outside of special cases.
>>60648135
Erotic voice is just seiyuu shit. The ones who have done it still do it are playing characters and reading a script. A lot of mainstream seiyuus started in the industry by doing voices for eroges and nukiges. You can’t possibly think doing something like that is lewd in the sense of being morally wrong like camwhoring.

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>>60650045
The problem is that not only during this time you don't develop any relevant skills, but it's highly unstable. If she doesn't make enough money to live comfortably for the rest of her life in like 10 years(if she even will be streaming in 10 years), it's going to be hard to get a job when you last experience was playing video games for 10 years.

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>>60650493
I think female content creators don't care about that because they could pretty easily just go the housewife route when they're done. Unless there is something wrong with them, it's pretty unlikely they'd have a hard time finding someone that'd be willing to put up with them.

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>>60648783
Maybe I’m just naive but since nips don’t like to show their faces on cam I’ve always assumed her not showing cleavage was because she didn’t want to show her face

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>>60614192
Laplus is a whore, so she doesn't need income, she only needs dicks

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>>60629937
Even Delu is better than her

[Anonymous No.]

Neither matsuri nor lap can feed a girl with so little money that's why they are depressed

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>>60650045
Anon, shitposting asides, if you are only making as much as a wagie as an entertainer / VTuber, you should really consider your options in the long term.
It might change in the future, but for now, keep in mind that the career lifespan of a streamer is nowhere nearly as long as a white collar and the experience of being a VTuber doesn't really transfer very well to any other job either.
(Although I guess to be fair, she didn't specify what kind of regular salaried employee she was talking about. There are obviously significant gap between a senior / managerial job's income and a fresh graduate's)

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>>60650888
if I was a 20 year old woman who made money playing games for a few years, I wouldn't be worried about the future. Do you really think a girl like Laplus really would've WANTED to go into a serious career that isn't entertainment anyways. Once her streamer career is over, she'll either marry one of her fps buddies, a paypig she finds passable, or some rich dude. Or if that doesn't work out, she'll continue to try and leverage this career into a more professional seiyu or music career which will probably work for a couple years or fail spectacularly and then do the first option.

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>>60633462
Wow, I love making shit up too, anon!

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>>60614192
You trust her way too much to do calculations on the fly.
Also Matsuri was saying "there's a 0 missing" in the sense of her not believe laplus salary was that low.
In any case, that has to be Matsuri income ONLY for her Hololive job, that's all i'm going to say.

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>>60638627
For most it's literally free money since they just post casual short blogs and pics every now and then, in fact it's even expected for them to post the bare minimum.
Matsuri's are spicier (and fitting with her character) so naturally it attracts more public.

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>>60614192
I know nihongo and I’d love to listen to the stream to listen to what they said directly… but I hate laplus so fucking much I can’t stand.

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>>60614249
with how much merch they've moved this is probably about there

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>>60619359
>holos are landlords
now they China hate makes sense. They fear Mao

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>>60648783
>Though there are factions like I don't believe fbk or previous fbk personas were in that
Ehhhhh, well...

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>>60656006
Fubuki did voice acting for an eroge. What’s wrong with that? She literally read a script. That’s all.

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>>60656254
Only for an eroge?...
Ok, then.

[Anonymous No.]

Laplus deserves it,
she went hard on the ollie route with an added element of 魂活動 and she's now reaping what she's sown.
time will tell if this is a wakeup call for her and she starts to actually put in the effort or if she'll end up like kson or mike

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>>60614192
pretty low than what I expected. Doctors and software devs make more than that. Guess world is still all right.

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>>60650571
most just end up lonely and bitter though, considering their relative monetary success and their inflated egos from years of male attention, a lot of them have incredibly unrealistic standards. Look up Mel's for a start.
Nobody that much of a catch would settle for some e-whore when they could get a better woman a decade younger

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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this because yen value dropped?

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>>60657443
But not everyone has Mel’s past. There are only like 3 holos who have done shit that might be considered immoral but the rest are pretty safe. Most of them are unironically hard working otaku and very sweet (talking about hololive japan).

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>>60627667
>Cover shills
Says a Nijinigger, literally plently of Holos saying SC are more like a bonus tip including Matsuri and your proof of SC is worth more than merc is Axel lmao, it's obvious you're just another Niji defense force trying to defend your 2% with the same old tactic "t-they also do it i swear"

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>>60647375
I have a list of all the hololive vtuber that has lewd stuff outside the character and there are more than the girls that don't do it. Also 3 of them do literally softcore porn, so yes most of them are sluts (I'm not saying thats a bad thing btw)

And the tourist thing, yes you are a tourist if you don't know what your oshi do. You are a tourist if the only thing you do is watch a stream and leave, if you love them you need to know them. (I'm also not saying that being a tourist is bad, neither saying that you should doxx the vtuber, it's not doxxing when THEY do it themselfs, i never would doxx any vtuber ever, but if they have that irl content i want it because i'm a fan of the person and not a faggot tourist)

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>>60657443
>Look up Mel's for a start
Don't you mean Choco? I know she has some rather crazy requirements like sleeping in separate beds or different apartments/houses.

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cover's earnings report is public now. they pay an extremely tiny amount to talent. Laplus is earning about 25% below their average payout. Cover takes a massive majority of the girl's earnings, meanwhile they have to pay for just about everything out of pocket. No wonder no one in EN wants to stream.

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>>60614192
i can't believe la+ only makes $1.80 per month

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>>60614192
Machuri, adopt me please. I'll kiss you after sex, I'll do it I promise.

[Anonymous No.]

>HoloX could have had fuwamoco but got la+ instead
kek

[Anonymous No.]

this is what happens when you hire a kezoku

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>>60614192
>9,000 USD per month
the fuck? That's it? I've seen mid twitch streamers that have like $10k-15k income a fucking week. Jesus christ

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>>60614192
>5,000
Bitch it's only ¥5k. There's nothing to seethe about

[Anonymous No.]

I dont think all of you should talk about numbers or earnings. Non of you know shits and non of you /here/ watch stream to know enough about their streams of income

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>>60640604
She wants to just upload shorts and videos to her youtube channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60639357
>>60639290
shor {} turl {} .at/bsvZ3, specifically shor {} turl {} .at/beo28 (remove " {} "), but really anything recent
Thank me later

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>>60666863
Matsuri and Laplus squandered a golden ticket and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

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>>60629937
She is still doing that and literally just opened a new paid niconico channel for singing and ASMR.
The income she is talking about in the OP is just her hololive income by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60667628
>nobody should talk about anything except themselves n this hobby board made for discussing other people

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>>60614249
rent free, holoseethe and more than you earn

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>>60621370
>>60666863
Nah OP is just stupid. Did you actually read his post? He "calculated" the number out of fucking nowhere.
If you read the official report from cover, they paid roughly 30mil to talents last year. That's 400k per year on average.
This includes ID and holostars so Matsuri getting more than average at the very least.
Then again task and expenses for their projects/songs cost a lot so they don't get all of that, but still 9k per month is too small.
Also cost of living is lower in Japan than US (×0.56 in Big Mac Index )

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>>60618553
How did you go from 9k a month to 25k a year?

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>>60679822
You can't just average out the sum like that when the top talents make way more than the rest.

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>>60680005
And top tier shitters makes a penny of what top tier makes, duh. Or do you think homos like Aruran are comparable to Marine.

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>>60680005
Yeah and there're people that make way less than the rest too. That was average of 75 holo-talents. 21 of them were holostars.

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>>60640366
Flare’s gachi pay out though, she’d be on the higher end surprisingly.

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>>60638442
Towa is the hottest and it ain’t even close

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>>60618997
She literally lives with her boyfriend rumao

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>>60656254
>>60656712
Fubuki’s ASMR has shit infinitely hotter than the one eroge sex scene she has done desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>60682953
roru
rumao

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>>60665535
>cover's earnings report is public now
Where is it then? Post it.

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>>60670310
Matsuri is making ¥60,000,000~ a year at this point if she keeps her fantia active, and if she continues to escalate there that number will grow. She ain’t squandered shit rumao

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>>60650571
>Unless there is something wrong with them
Almost everybody in this field has something wrong with them. I know that I'm saying this in /vt/ of all places, but these girls are not wife material otherwise they would have been picked up a long time ago.

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>>60686333
>but these girls are not wife material otherwise they would have been picked up a long time ago.
Case in point: AZKi

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>>60648783
I don't let my children watch pekora

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>>60638737
>two videos of her giving a handjob to her dildo.
big if true, I only have one
help a brother out

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>>60687496
The second one is just an extended version of the first, but with more soft moans/giggles and a countdown at the end.

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>>60639203
I saw the maid picture and it wasn't very good

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>>60670310
Eh when compared to Laplus, I think Matsuri's still salvageable but it'll take some time before she'll come around to be serious and trying again. She at least seems to still really love Hololive and in the end a number of her yabs come more from her being a bit overbearing on her feelings and emotions rather than outright maliciousness on the other members or just slipping up on her RM stuff. It's different from how Laplus looks like preping to jump off for her own career and making big connections.

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>>60622881
I don't know about Matsuri, but didn't even jp shit on Laplus's Fanbox as being just a greedy cashgrab with no content?
I remember the shitty maid outfit selfie she posted lol.

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>>60640481
no, he doesn't speak Japanese and fell for some bait.

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>>60689117
this seems exaggerated. Laplus is the better entertainer, anyway.

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>>60614192
Matsuri says it's because she had her birthday. did you guys even watch the clip?

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>>60689972
it's not exaggerated and i can only imagine thinking laplus is a "better entertainer" if you're into dead fish

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>>60677847
What's the matter, afraid of your black company being exposed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60686238
their website.

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>>60634285
>Imagine how desperate she has to be to go to a platform that has worse revenue than YouTube.
Are you deaf?
Laplus is an attention whore, she literally said she cares more about view than money. She knew she lost money going to Twitch.
Unironic numberfag.

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>>60640366
Maybe 10-20k plus/minus depending on the month, about the same as youtube influencer money of old (prior to saturation). If you add all revenue from other sources.

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>>60614192
>Laplus switching to Twitch
She deserves to make *no* money, stupid fucking whore streaming on that dogshit website sinking ship, I cannot wait for the day that fucking backwards shithole pozzed faggot nigger website is completely irrelevant

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>>60690051
It's a bait thread, notice how most of the people here aren't even talking about OP's post correctly and are just taking jabs at Laplus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60693340
did you read the OP post? He guesses her salary range is somewhere between two numbers 16k apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60689418
from what I remember you had to be in the 50k tier to get a shitty dollar store maid costume picture taken in a dark room

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>>60679996
He's a retard who thinks every country has US tax system.

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>>60621370
Dogs are getting more than $5k from memberships alone.

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>>60618187
>the thing that didn't surprise me but would surprise most of /#/ is how it's impossible for merch to dwarf her SC income without the numbers of that conversation drastically
>In fact if merch was even ONLY a solid 2 grand more, decimal places start getting added, so realistically what this conversation tells me is that despite getting frequent visibility on corpo events, even her merch sales pale in comparison to SC during a month where she earns SC totals that you get if you are a holo who seems to do ガチ恋営業/コーン売り/being Towa or Suisei(but merch instead of SC). I never bought the "merch income is so high it makes SC a rounding error!!!!" narrative that people peddle around sometimes so it's personally nice to see such a clear sign of it being BS
Okay, anon, enlighten me since your point is clearly lost to me right now: why was you saying this as if it's not possible? Why can't La+ be the one who was making 4 digits per month (in $) and Matsuri earned 5 (partly thanks to her birthday)? Why are you set on OP "9k" figure when it was clearly flawed (he pretty much took the lowest salary of a white collar employee in JP and multiplied by 10)?

[Anonymous No.]

Matsuri is fat

[Anonymous No.]

>>60695347
Probably close to 10k