When did this girl become a vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing research about vtubers but I don't watch this woman.
Please provide proof as well.

Note: PNGtubers are not vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
August 2017. Do your archive reps retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
She's ancient, I think she had her 6(?) year celebration recently. She's been around for longer than most corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666589
>>58666679
Wasn't she a convert? Anyone who actually watched her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666679
Fairly sure she predates Hololive entirely (or at least Sora) too

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666589
>>58666727
You're the same person. Do you have proof of that?

[Anonymous No.]

>In December 2019, Ironmouse unveiled her original Live2D model by Ketama. Designed by Mousey herself, it would become known as the Season 1 model.
As per wiki, this is the earliest that I can find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666770
Same source the wiki gives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7Yydt-9GY&t=6078s
You can probably find someone who was there at the time by asking in vsj, pmg or doing your feckin archive reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666717
If she was a convert then she converted as a nobody. She was already a vtuber when she had like 10 ccv on a good day. Old clips of her old ironmouse v0 model that looked very different exist, but she talks about very personal shit in these clips so sharing them here can lead to a ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666920
If it's so easy, can you link it for me?
This is the info from her wiki.
>In 2017 during the "Lost Season", she began trying out various pre-made models, mainly using a model of the character "Tohoku Kiritan" created by Ketama (seen in the "Mad Mouse" video) to see if she liked the streaming, until she finally decided to commission her first 2D model of her own, which she unveiled in December 2019.
>The 2019 model is designated as "Season 1" and was also created by Ketama.
I can't find her 2017 videos at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666917
I think that's the first actual pink mouse model, though, not the model she wants to memoryhole. That was animated too.
I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58667202
>I can't find her 2017 videos at all.
She was a 1view and nobody watched or saved her content then. Despite that at least one clip from that time period survived, but posting it here nets a ban because she talks about irl things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666589
>>58666727
>>58666920
>>58667195
>>58667281
>>58667358
You are all the same person. I just need one proof. A stream, a clip, or anything that shows she was a vtuber. I've seen that bannable clip but there was no date in it.
Can you point out where it came from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58667436
Archive reps. The surviving clip is from an interview she did on another channel in 2018 or so. You should be able to find it in the archive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58667436
anon are you okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>58667436
There were many people that were vtubers and were even vtubers before Kizuna Ai, but you won't find a trace of their existence anymore. Your position that it didn't exist if you can't easily dig up the proof will force you to assume magic and interdimensional travel.

[Anonymous No.]

Out of curiosity, what the fuck did she say in that clip that geta you b&? Does she doz herself?
Everyone knows that she's basically a cripple with "the other kind of aids" and that she's puerto rican.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58667600
>>58667676
You're the same person, anon. I keep track of the thread.
You're weird, man. You make it sound so easy.
This is Natsume Moe's video, which was 5 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6f_gn4j1tQ
The earliest video so far for Iron Mouse was 3 years ago on her official Youtube channel but I know she started earlier than that.

>>58667842
I know there were streamers with avatars way before Ai but for some reason, it's quite difficult to get one clip for IM despite being popular.
I also know there were a lot of converts.

The earliest reference for IM using a model was in 2019. Surely, there has to be someone who made her 2017 model, if she did have one, right? I just can't find the info for some reason. I was hoping you guys would know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668161
She talks about very personal shit in it. Things she doesn't want tens of thousands of people to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668240 (me)
I just can't find any video, clips, or a picture of IM 2017 model.
No info about artists, riggers, or posts, too.
I just need one for reference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668240
Anon, take your medication. I sent the three posts you replied to and someone else posted the other three. Do you want me to record myself refreshing the page or something? What's going on with you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668240
>The earliest reference for IM using a model was in 2019. Surely, there has to be someone who made her 2017 model, if she did have one, right?
Afaik mouse didn't have a personal model before 2019, she used freely available models.

>it's quite difficult to get one clip for IM despite being popular.
It's difficult because she was NOT popular then. None of her 7 or so viewers back then archived her stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668161
>>58668362
Holy shit stop vague posting and just say it. She talked about her ex-husband and her daughter in that clip.
I have it but I'm not going to post it because mods are retards that will ban people for posting that shit, even though she said it as a vtuber. It's on topic and it breaks absolutely no rules

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>>58668479
Can we go back on topic please?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668509
Can you stop being schizophrenic over stupid irrelevant things first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668414
it's "Lost Season" Mouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668502
... Yeah, no rule except rule 1 of /vt/. Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668547
>the cute innocent VILLS mouse is directly linked to bitch-queen MILFmouse
why

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668240
There probably is somewhere in the archive or most things are lost to time. I don't see why it's important to have this information. Any argument about being first or early is pointless for the reason that evidence of their old contemporaries no longer exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668577
Braindead. Nobody gets banned under rule 1 after posting it. It's always rule 2

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>>58666040

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>>58668547
THANK YOU.
Finally, someone who has info.
So, the first 5 models pre-2020 should be her earliest models?

>>58668631
I'm doing some research about IM, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is unreasonably aggressive lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668729
Most people are capable of doing research using archives instead of begging others to spoonfeed them information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668780
There's this one guy who keeps samefagging and wants to derail the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668798
This. Just watching Mousey's streams you'd know she calls that model baby mouse. I'm pretty sure there is even a YouTube clip of her talking about all her models

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668826
You're a retarded newfag who's incapable of tracking IPs but pretends like he can, and people are rightfully pointing it out. Stop doing that and maybe people wouldn't talk about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668729
note that the chart doesn't show chronological order
her next model after lost season was S1 mouse, and its outfits

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668976
That's helpful, thanks again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
FINE I will post from my old PC

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668729
Her earliest known model is baby mouse, the lost season.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669089
Thanks. Just to confirm, this was rigged, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669151
Yes. What are you planning to do with this information..?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669151
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668502
That shit is fake you retarded doxxer

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669316
Good try. Very subtle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669188
I'm just some guy helping a team doing some documentary about vtubers and shit like that. I'm making sure all infos are accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
Beware ant dont do anything stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668780
This thread is just a thinly disguised dox bait thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
They should've given your role to someone who knows what an archive site is. Are we to expect more spoonfeed-begging threads from you on the catalog in the future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669316
Ok. Believe whatever you want, moron.
You're either a newfag or baiting for me to post the clip. Either way, I'm not indulging you

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
Most of the things she says are true, even cunts that hated her back then can confirm

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
>documentary

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668976
The chart is also outdated. Race princess, trickster, and ??? (Called "brat princess" which she's using currently) have all debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669427
I'm sorry to disappoint you. I just don't watch Vshojo.
Don't worry, I'm more knowledgeable about other groups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669511
You should be able to reveal who you're working for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669511
It doesn't matter how much you're "familiar" with other groups, you need to be able to dig up actual evidence without begging people. You haven't even demonstrated once that you've tried to use any archive sites, or even know what they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669437
Just dont dox simple as that

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669562
I'm not the one who's making the doc. I'm just a vtuber fan.
And as vtuber fans, do you guys really watch Vshojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669562
Probably for the better, the stuff back then gets way too sad way too often, she doesn't need most of that unearthed

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669752
Here's a simple question: if you're making a documentary on a subject, why aren't you discussing this with the subject? Email her and VShojo and they'll provide you with information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669752
I used to back when Nyanners was in, and the people in /vsj/ still do for various reasons. Pink cat used to be one of the funniest chuuba on the market, and she probably still is if you're fine with a boyfriend being around but I'm not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669810
I'm not really part of their team.
I just proofread and shit. Like you know, I just help them casually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
Why do they need help from some guy who can't perform basic research?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669937
Follow up question then: why are you asking for information on her on FUCKING FOUR CHAN VEE TEE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
as if lmao. it looks like you don't even know how to use a computer let alone help people with research.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669752
Thank you for your service, anon. Im also interested in vtuber history so I'll be following what you can find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670165
You don't fucking know who he is or who he's working for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669952
Don't make me feel bad, anon. I don't watch IM, but I'm sure she has fans here.

>>58669995
Like the topic says, I just wanna verify when she started vtubing. That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670241
Why do you care so much about it, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670247
That doesn't answer the question, and since you're retarded let me try it a different way: what made you think you could find reliable information here, on a board that hates VShojo and Ironmouse with a passion, except for the few dozen of us that are VShojo fans?

>>58670289
Oh gee wilickers, why would I be suspicious of someone on 4chan /vt/ trying to dig up old information on Ironmouse? Truly a mystery!

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670332
personally I'm just annoyed OP still refuses to learn how to actually look for information on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670332
>Oh gee wilickers, why would I be suspicious of someone on 4chan /vt/ trying to dig up old information on Ironmouse? Truly a mystery!
Oh, I get it. I'm not helping some drama fags. Don't worry about it. We're cool, okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670383
There's that, too. Utterly obvious underageb& newfag.

>>58670409
>just trust me bro
Did you forget where you are, ANONYMOUS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670247
Why would you come here to do your fact checking? You can just google "when did Ironmouse start vtubing" and find actual articles about this from more trustworthy sources than anonymous simps on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

just let this shit thread die

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670439
>Did you forget where you are, ANONYMOUS?
you sound like a newfag as well tbdesu
judging from your tone I think I remember you from /vsj+/. you're one of those anons that should stay there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670443
Her wiki is incomplete. The articles you find on google have conflicting accounts. Some say it's 2019, others 2017.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670409
Alright,
but if an Ironmouse "documentary" gets uploaded by a certain small insect, I will remember (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670600
The mouse herself has said multiple times she started streaming as a VTuber in August 2017. I feel like if anyone would know, it would probably be her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670648
I still need to verify shit. I mean, I don't watch IM. Don't blame me too much.

>>58670624
Vtuber fans will definitely like it. I hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670600
Where are you finding 2019? The only dates I ever see are 2017 and then 2020 for when she joined vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670746
I'm sorry to anon, but I'll continue to blame you and call you names until you agree to start using archive sites like everyone else instead of annoying people on the catalog. Also you'd already information you're replying to if you watched the video that was sent to you at the very start of the thread. Embarrassing shit, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668502
>and it breaks absolutely no rules
It clearly breaks one of the few rules we actually have you stupid fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
Go on warosu or some other archive and do your reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670838
I did watch it. I'm not gonna take her word for it, sorry.
And I did find useful things here. Thanks to all. We can let this thread die now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58671080
>i want a witness account from one of the 10 people who were around for early ironmouse streams
>here's a witness account from one of the 10 people who were around for early ironmouse streams
>no, not that one because reasons
cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>58671080
>I'm not gonna take her word for it, sorry.
You're going to take the word of anonymous 4chan posters, though.

[Anonymous No.]

2019 chuuba, she did not own original model before that, it was a voiceroid model

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666917
this is the one

[Anonymous No.]

more pics of the alt mel design

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
when she was dying I guess

[Anonymous No.]

Even her boyfriend was confused lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HtDH50BCHY

[Anonymous No.]

>>58681279
Don't you fucking dare post him ever again. In fact, delete your fucking post right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58674757
Still a vtuber in 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>58687071
Don't you have a discord to moderate, kumo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58674757
still a streamer using a virtual avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>58687150
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58687124
If we are going by literal meaning Virtual YouTuber then she wasn't a vtuber and let's just say she was then she was not Ironmouse before 2019 because it's different chara, that's Tohoku Kirtan not Ironmouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>58689885
she called herself ironmouse tho
she was just poor as fuck and couldn't afford her own model

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690402
Not how it works, the model already got name and all
>she was just poor as fuck and couldn't afford her own model
same can be said to PNGtuber then, they were just too poor to afford a model yet they still not a vtuber until they got one so

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690814
why would you call someone a PNGtuber when they are using a virtual avatar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690814
counterpoint

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690814
idk man sounds like you're grasping at straws, we're not in a court of law or something, you don't have to look for loopholes or technicalities
every other chuuba and streamer that knew her considered her as ironmouse at the time
if you want to convince some anons who already hate her, that seems a bit unnecessary too. so idk what you're trying to do here kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690959
Who said that ? the point is, being poor doesn't excuse you, it doesn't change the fact that it's Kiritan not Ironmouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>58691700
Keep crying 2view fag. Her model moved and has live 2d so she was a vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

uhhhhg this is all so infuriating
SHAKES BUTT

[Anonymous No.]

>>58691627
>>58691833
Why are you crying over a fact ? I only stating facts you can keep consider her whatever you want if you don't care about detailed facts, no one actually care if you're the first or early, it's the achievement that matters, or do you think she got any impact in kickstarting vtubing compared to real OGs ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58694215
Do you want to know who unironically kickstarted western vtubing?

[Anonymous No.]

>if you don't have original model you don't deserve the name
Ironmouse might be a cunt but she's a real underdog champion and you're a fucking bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

man i miss that model the latest one are so...generic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58694737
It's too bad the artist hates Kson

[Anonymous No.]

>>58694455
I know and even if I would say it's a shame that she is one of vtubers who kickstart western vtubing but I don't deny facts just because I don't like them

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668826
nta but go back and kys

[Anonymous No.]

So how come IM counts as a VTuber but CookieSwirlC doesn't? They both did the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699540
CookieSwirlC is a fleshtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699540
dohoh you missed that one, try another!

[Anonymous No.]

>>58694215
What the fuck are you talking about? So NeuroSama doesn't count? You're confusing design with character, the character of Ironmouse is still the same and the only thing that changes is the design, also nobody said that she kickstarted dick because she was streaming in a literal who site where the only other vtuber was this cunt girl mocking her for doing it (she also used the same design, but they're not the same character, see the difference?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699710
She switched to being a VTuber just like IM did though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699763
NTA but why do all famoly type like this? like chill out dudes

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699910
Mouse was never a fleshstreamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699910
Ironmouse started her account in that site as a vtuber, never showed face or even hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699910
IM was never a fleshtuber. Congrats, you baited anon! Do you feel special?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699763
I just find out filian isn't a vtuber
I'm gonna kms

[Anonymous No.]

>>58670797
>>58670600
2019 was when she started streaming on Twitch. She was on the other platform before

[Anonymous No.]

>>58699971

[Anonymous No.]

>>58694215
This. IM became a vtuber in 2019. She wasn't a vtuber before she got her own model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58700729
clueful actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690402
>she was just poor as fuck and couldn't afford her own model
that's irrelevant, you know that
you can't call yourself a vtuber if you don't have your own vtuber avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702895
so filian isn't a vtuber? neurosama wasn't a vtuber for a while too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58666040
many years later terminal ill dying
still not dead.
she'll live to the ripe old age for 60-70+ at this rate

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702934
when did they debut their models?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702972
never claimed to be terminal

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702972
Are you not tired of peddling this bait anon...
No one other than random catalog dramaniggers has ever said that mousey was dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702980
Neuro a few months ago. Filian's is still not. Your conditions are completely meaningless, especially back in 20 fucking 17

[Anonymous No.]

>>58669355
you're helping with a documentary and refuse to do even basic research and instead beg and cry to /vt/ to spoonfeed shit to you?
insane

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702934
It's really simple. If they were using animated avatars, then they were vtubing. If those avatars weren't them, then they haven't started vtubing as their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703324
>If those avatars weren't them
Then fucking no one is a VTuber because people aren't anime retard, what are you even saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703262
neuro debuted as a vtuber months ago then.
his/her roommate has been vtubing for a lot longer, but that wasn't neuro.
simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703443

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is real silly
keep it up anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703324
>>58703443
Your conditions are actually retarded. I recommend Canadian healthcare

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703396
What? Anyone can have more than one persona/vtuber model. If the guy wasn't using Filian/Neurosama models, then he wasn't playing as them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703443
>his/her roommate has been vtubing for a lot longer

[Anonymous No.]

>>58668240
I feel like the core bit of information missing is that Twitch saves VoDs for 2 weeks when you're a no-name beginner streamer.
Of course there's little to no archived old streams from popular streamers because who in their right mind would archive a four hour live stream from a mediocre beginner streamer when they're going to do another stream or two within the week anyway.
Also, some streamers choose to not even archive some streams on their twitch page.

What would be the point of saving them unless you somehow know they're going to go uber-popular four years later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703734
>implying people are restricted to one vtuber persona

[Anonymous No.]

>>58702025
ironmouse => 2019
not ironmouse < 2019

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703704
>>58703806
I can't with this retardation, I genuinely cannot. You make so little sense that any attempt to correct your incoherence would sound completely unhinged. Newfag, please just leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703885
What was the name of the model she used before IM 2019?

[Anonymous No.]

ITT baiting for doxx

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703958
it was tohoku kiritan >>58689885
she didn't become ironmouse until she debuted her own model in 2019

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704055
Makes sense.
>>58703893
You're a retard then. Don't tell me you're gonna say Kson and Coco are the same entities?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703885
ok I'll give it one last shot
ironmouse has been streaming as ironmouse since 2017. ironmouse has also been using a live2d avatar since 2017. ironmouse has always called the live2d character she plays ironmouse. she now calls this earlier iteration of the character (with a borrowed, free-to-use model) "babymouse". don't get confused my lobotomized friend, that nicknames still means she was ironmouse then and is ironmouse now.
filian is a popular vtuber. filian's username is called filian. she plays a character on-stream called filian. the filian character doesn't have lore in and of itself other than filian (the actress') life experience, and her model is a retexture of another free model. yet everyone on the surface of the earth refers to her as a vtuber called filian. hopefully your brain hasn't started overheating by now. please grab some water if so and come back once you've cooled down.
neurosama is a fucking COMPUTER PROGRAM. "she" is not a person. she is associated with a vtuber model and has been since she's started streaming. the AI model, and the vtuber model, are called neurosama. for most of her career so far, her model has been another free-to-use model (one of the live2d defaults). she recently got a new model that looks like the model she used to have. despite this, fucking everyone and their grandma considers neurosama to have been a vtuber and to still be the exact vtuber now.
now please never post again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704055
>tohoku kiritan
That's the name of the model. Not the name of the character ironmouse was playing (which was "ironmouse"). Jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704214
>ironmouse has also been using a live2d avatar since 2017
why are you so disingenuous?
you conveniently left out the fact that the avatar she was using was named "tohoku kiritan"
there was no ironmouse avatar back in 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704331
Okay, please go tell /lig/ that filian is not a VTuber because there is no filian avatar because the name of her model is "rindo" and not "filian". you absolute fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704402
Okay, please go tell /lig/ that filian is not a VTuber because there is no filian avatar since the name of her model is "rindo" and not "filian". you absolute fucking retard.
i'm getting baited so hard I'm forgetting to proof-read now

[Anonymous No.]

>>58703443
I genuinely thought this was a shitpost

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704554
it isn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704452
>After her eventual official debut, Filian is going to have a fully custom model, made specifically for her.
look at this, taken directly from her wiki
a distinction has to be made for her "official" debut
many vtuber tracking sites before consider her as a convert

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704606
this reply >>58703806 seems to point to this being the same guy who's been arguing about this, possibly still OP. the newest of newfags either way

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704641
Anon, is Filian a VTuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704194
>you're gonna say Kson and Coco are the same entities
they're not going to address this
the fact is you have to have your own model before you can say you officially debuted as a vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704780
stop samefagging and answer the question.
also I didn't need to address it, everyone knows Kson and Coco are different characters so it's irrelevant to this discussion. what you seem to be trying to argue is that the same VTuber character can/can't be considered a VTuber depending on whether they've gotten significant model overhauls, are using a free model that has a name other than the name of the character they're playing, have had an "official debut" or whatever other random shit goes through your head. It's a retarded point which reeks of extreme newfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58690814
>same can be said to PNGtuber then
agreed
the same logic applies to utaites
mabodofu wasn't a vtuber until she got her own vtuber model

[Anonymous No.]

Still not over him claiming Neuro wasn't a VTuber until she got her new model. What the fuck was she then

[Anonymous No.]

>>58704214
Seething this much and your entire argument is only "my friend,mom,dad,grandma" call them a vtuber, facts don't care about your feeling

[Anonymous No.]

>>58705102
if it's a moving avatar, it can already be considered as a vtuber
but if that avatar has a different identity, then you can't claim it officially as "Neuro"

[Anonymous No.]

>>58705212 (me)
even the wiki has that distinction >>58704641

[Anonymous No.]

>>58705269
she is just on a vtuber wiki for some mysterious reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>58705102
like i said before, people can have multiple vtuber personas
you may call yourself "Neuro" or whatever, but unless you have your own model, then you haven't officially debuted that persona as a vtuber yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>58705207
>>58705212
>>58705370
It doesn't even matter what I say, I should've let your posts be with the most minimal input possible actually. You are claiming that Neurosama was not a VTuber before her remodel and that filian is still not a VTuber. This is obviously wrong, so your logic is flawed.
>>58705269
Anon, do you mind reading the very first line of the wiki's article on Filian for me?

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>>58705346
stop being pedantic
i think the distinction is quite clear now
no own model =/= not a vtuber

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>>58703215
>>58703228
hi ironmouse, still not dead?
how's that possible?

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>>58705207
lmao, every vtuber info site has her as starting in 2017, no one cares about your arbitrary rule you just came up with

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>>58705499
>samefags to hell and back with the exact same writing style and incoherent logic
>i think the distinction is quite clear now (shit I made up in my head)
stunning and brave

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>>58705499
why is filian on a vtuber wiki if she isn't a vtuber?

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this is the dumbest argument I've read on this site in a long time

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>>58705499
hololive members do not own their models, they are just using ones they have been allowed to use, by that logic no hololive members are actually vtubers

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>>58705719
watch as anon doesn't reply to this one

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>>58705499
holy shit guys it turns out kizuna ai was never a vtuber because of the clones

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>>58705719
>haven't heard of kizuna ai controvery
newfag, please stop posting

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>>58705719
Are you pretending or unironically retarded ? Which Hololive member have different name but same model that already has names etc

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>>58699540
Although both of them were converts, IM was never a flesh streamer.

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>>58706253
How can you know what the name of the hololive girls' models are if they aren't publicly available?
And again, is Filian a VTuber? Why is she on a VTuber wiki, and why does that wiki call her a VTuber?

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>>58705719
You need to be 18 to post in this site.

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>>58706327
how the fuck is mouse a convert?

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anon's crackpot theory of vtubing is paradoxical. they're saying a character can only be considered a VTuber if they're using a model that doesn't have a different name, but since any such model is proprietary, you can't know what their name actually is. so again no one can veritably be called a vtuber
the only way you can resolve this is to say "model name" is an irrelevant concept when the identity of a live2D character is clearly unique to a specific channel, but then guess what retard, filian is a vtuber, neuro was always a vtuber and mouse was a vtuber in 2017. kill yourself and never come back.

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>>58706388
>How can you know what the name of the hololive girls' models are if they aren't publicly available?
The fuck are you even talking about ? Are you talking about roommate ? Own a model means the character/persona has their own model unlike Ironmouse she has no model before 2019 the model she used before is from different character/persona

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>>58706696
IM didn't have her own Live2D model when she started.

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>>58706877
she was still using a virtual avatar

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>>58706851
>>58706877
she had a model before 2019.
the one she was using.
>yeah but it's not unique to ironmouse
anon is still not going to give an answer as to whether or not filian is a vtuber kek

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>>58706896
Sure. Maybe she was already vtubing back then. And I agree with these other people. IM officially debuted as a vtuber in 2019 when she commissioned her own Live2D model.
I view the roommate and vtuber persona as separate if it makes sense.

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>>58706948
I don't even know filian other than heard her name but if she is the same like Ironmouse then why do you even ask ? You know the answer, now answer me which Hololive member have a model from an established chara like Ironmouse and since you're retarded I will explain to you again "own" a model doesn't mean the irl person behind it own the IP or any ancient vtuber that is or was the same like Ironmouse

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>>58707445
so she converted from being a vtuber to being a vtuber?

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>>58706948
I don't know who Filian is. Is she related with IM?

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>>58707475
>now answer me which Hololive member have a model from an established chara like Ironmouse
haachama, using the "akai haato" model
inb4 but irl person
>since you're retarded I will explain to you again "own" a model doesn't mean the irl person

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>>58707445
>I view the roommate and vtuber persona as separate if it makes sense.
Everyone does, that's the basic rule of VTubing. Except there was a vtuber persona calling herself ironmouse and streaming as early as 2017. Her commissioning her own live2d model doesn't change anything since the character being played is still the same one.
>>58707475
Can you say that again in English?
>You know the answer
No, I want you to tell me to my face that Filian isn't a VTuber so I can react with an appropriately mocking image.

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>>58707550
Are you OP? Unable to even perform a google search now?

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>>58666717
She has told the story several times.

She did one cam stream which lasted all of several moments before it made her uncomfortable and she turned stream off.

After that she used FaceRig and free avatars.

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>>58707683
>Except there was a vtuber persona calling herself ironmouse and streaming as early as 2017. Her commissioning her own live2d model doesn't change anything since the character being played is still the same one.
Are you trying to say you can be a vtuber without a model? I'm not sure if I get your point.

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>>58707913
she used free models

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look, it's not hard.
every voice actress in the vtubing world can have one or more characters they play. most people have one.
a character can have multiple channels, but a channel can only have one character.
a character can have multiple models, forms, avatar tweaks and even alternate universe versions. so long as it remains on the same channel and is clearly about the same character, the details (including whether the model is proprietary or not) don't matter to anyone.

to be a VTuber, you must: (1) stream (2) use a live2D avatar associated with a character that belongs to you
2017 ironmouse checks both of those boxes, so she's a vtuber.

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>>58707913
nta but there's a simple obvious answer as to what a vtuber is, a person who live streams using an animated model acting as a character

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>>58669355
>I'm making sure all infos are accurate.
>takes "yes" or "no" on a 4chan post as legitimate confirmation
They should fire you and get someone who actually knows what they're doing

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>>58707973
>but a channel can only have one character
actually, there's some exceptions to this (e.g. kurokami fubuki on the Fubuki channel). it's not integral to the point though.

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>>58708023
they should keep him on and include him as an example of how retarded the average vtuber fan is really

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>>58707973
This right here, only addition is that 3D models using VSeeFace and similar programs also count as Vtubers.

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>>58707550
just a small indie vtuber on twitch that does physical comedy
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/10vB84OHBTw

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>>58708063
true, I should've thought about these too when writing. it's truly amazing that this even needs to be explained.

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>>58707949
Oh. Not so sure. I don't think you claim that as IM if it wasn't a distinct Live2D model?

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>>58671080
>I want to learn about Ironmouse
>Well, I can't trust what Ironmouse says about herself
>Better go ask my good buddy 4chan who would never lie to me

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>>58708101
she was streaming using a virtual avatar

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>>58707973
>(2) use a live2D avatar associated with a character that belongs to you
I think the confusion stems from this. People were saying IM used a free model so the model doesn't belong to hers.

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>>58708101
I don't know if it's on purpose, but you make it impossible to talk with you by constantly using vague terminology. What do you mean by "claim that as ironmouse"?
The vtuber avatar doesn't belong to ironmouse.
The vtuber character which uses this avatar belongs to (and is) ironmouse.
To the overwhelming majority of VTuber fans, the latter point is what matters.
Refer to >>58707973.

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>>58690814
Anon, Mouse came into the game so early that the modern concept of vtubing didn't even exist.

VTubeStudio did not exist.
The market of model artists and riggers did not exist.
The phrase "PNGtuber" did not exist.

At any rate she was not a PNGtuber because her model was a FaceRig model which means it animated in response to facial tracking software.

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>>58708182
>People were saying IM used a free model so the model doesn't belong to hers
You're retarded or blind. Read the post you're quoting one more time.
>use a live2D avatar associated with a CHARACTER that belongs to you
The character belongs to ironmouse, that's what matters.

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>>58707587
>Haachama
You're joking right ? Comparing a nickname alter thing, she is Akai Haato using Akai Haato model then make a nickname/alter while Ironmouse is not Kiritan

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i like how our good friend who's such an expert on vtubers does everything he can to avoid ridiculing himself by addressing filian, since it'd blow apart his entire argument. his only responses so far were "lol idk who she is" and "well what do you think". powerful stuff

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>>58707587
Anonymous

Could you tell me where the character of Akai Haato came from before the Hololive talent known as Haachama started using a model based on her?

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>>58708445
>using Akai Haato model
how do you know that the model's called Akai Haato? (other than because the character's name and associated channel are called Akai Haato, since you've already said those aren't relevant (if they were, then you'd have no issue with mouse/neuro/filian))

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>>58707832
>She has told the story several times.
And when did her mysterious disease start in her streaming career?

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>>58708584
>>58708636
what the fuck

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>>58707973
>stream
Holy fucking newfag, not surprising coming from IMfag

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>>58708687
not now chumbud

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>>58708667
when she was born

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>>58708687
you make your samefagging easy to detect since you're the only one calling her IM. looks like anytime the available replies would force you to concede that you were wrong, you start scrolling up to try to find minor things to poke holes into. sure yes, vtubers also used to (and still should imo) make edited video content instead of streams. this changes nothing about the actual argument that you're failing to retort against.

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ironmouse The Person has been vtubing since 2017
ironmouse The Character has been vtubing since 2019

most people consider 2017 her beginning because livestreaming with face capture is the basic definition of vtubing, she just wasn't using a custom character/model because she didn't have the money and there wasn't a market and culture surrounding it all yet
this really isn't difficult anon

>>58708667
good news, there's an entire podcast episode made by a normie charity where you can learn all about her illness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OuKhUXkOU

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>>58708667
>mysterious
It is not a mystery. It is Common Variable Immunodeficiency (CVID). She is very open about this as well as many of the complications that have come as a result of this condition including a chronic MAC infection among various other things.
She's had CVID since she was born.
She first opened up about her condition in the YouNow/Lost Season days but to link those clips is to get banned.

I want to stress that she is VERY OPEN about her condition.
It takes NO EFFORT to learn about her.
In fact, she just recently did a good rundown of her history with CVID in the Immune Deficiency Foundation's podcast, here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OuKhUXkOU

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>>58708758
Not answering the question. When was this first a thing in her streaming lore?

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>>58708816
>ironmouse The Character has been vtubing since 2019
2017*

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>>58708584
hololive but apparently it doesn't matter, what apparently matters is if the character owns the model, it's akai haato's model and haachama's using it so apparently haachama isn't a vtuber because the characters haachama doesn't own a model
yeah this is retarded

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>>58708667
>mysterious disease
???
Are you the same faggot who can't perform a single google search?
Here, open wide
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/common-variable-immunodeficiency-cvid

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>>58708823
>but to link those clips is to get banned.
Even Mouse shills know how authoritarian Mouse's janny is, kek.

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>>58708816
>she just wasn't using a custom character/model
Which, again, does not matter in the slightest under the widely agreed-upon definition of the term VTuber. Read this >>58707973. It's really not hard.

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>>58708913
I wouldn't link them anyway, because I respect her privacy but also because I don't actually have the links myself.
Just saying it WILL get you a ban which is helpful in getting desperate faggots like this guy from relentlessly hounding me about it.

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>>58708698
>Newfag exposing himself then start deflecting
Literally no other 2017 chuuba be it Ai and 4 kings or Sora or less known ones like Yua or Fuji Aoi are the same like Ironmouse using different character model, you're a fucking newfag trying to define a "vtuber" holy shit

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anon is STILL avoiding the filian question

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>>58708804
Meds retard

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>>58709039
>you're a fucking newfag trying to define a "vtuber"
projection.jpeg

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>>58708967
Anon, Mousefags only play the definition game to hide aspects of her lore from the public and ban you for talking about them. You don't seem to understand that is their ONLY motive with the Mouse the person Mouse the character nonsense.

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>>58709101
i accept your concession

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>>58708913
i'm not opposed to them banning for it, her illness is rare which means any extra information about her life makes her easier to dox than a normal person. that's not why they're banning but it's preventative regardless. she's said recently that she'll one day open up a little more but any regular viewer will already guess a bit from how she reacts to some games the and chats that she asks people to not clip

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>>58709131
the person I'm replying to is not a mousefag, but I am (or rather I'm just not an anti). you seem quite lost

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I am very happy to report that this thread is still unreasonably aggressive

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>>58709203
>the person I'm replying to is not a mousefag
And why would you presume that? Linking to a documentary shilling her lore version of events sure seems like a Mousefag thing to do.

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>>58709115
Says someone trying to define a vtuber and put streaming as a criteria, kys newfag

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>>58709331
wtf are you talking about?

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>>58709331
because they're validating retard-kun's point that ironmouse wasn't a VTuber in 2017 because something something proprietary.

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>>58709331
>her lore version of events

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>>58709376
>>58708816
>good news, there's an entire podcast episode made by a normie charity where you can learn all about her illness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OuKhUXkOU [Embed]
I'm starting to think YOU are some confused autist anon.

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>>58709357
so are you going to try to retort against the argument at some point or..?

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>>58709453
what does this have to do with her lore?

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>>58709465
I'm going to ask you two very simple questions

1. Who is considered the mother of vtubing, or the first vtuber?
2. What content format did she originally use?

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>>58707973
Retard-proof version

every voice actress in the vtubing world can have one or more characters they play. most people have one.
a character can have multiple channels; most channels only have one character with some rare exceptions.
a character can have multiple models, forms, avatar tweaks and even alternate universe versions. so long as it remains on the same channel and is clearly about the same character, the details (including whether the model is proprietary or not) don't matter to anyone.

to be a VTuber, you must: (1) make video content (2) use a face-rigged anime avatar (2D/3D) associated with a character that belongs to you
2017 ironmouse checks both of those boxes, so she's a vtuber.

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>>58709568
kizuna, videos, I literally already said this and I watched them back when she was starting to get popular.
your point is?

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>>58709685
If you know this and don't understand why someone would take issue with using "livestreaming" as a definitive quality of vtubing then you might have brain problems

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>>58709732
very cool anon, it's just that it's entirely irrelevant to the current subject matter. a deflection, if you will.

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>>58709635
>so long as it remains on the same channel
change/remove this, most vtubers appear on multiple channels and like you said some have multiple channels, the rest I agree with

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>>58709732
also see >>58709635
same widely agreed upon definition as before, just clarified the edge cases for special people like you.

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Poal Time
https://poal.me/yzj51m
https://poal.me/yzj51m
https://poal.me/yzj51m

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>>58709826
what channels they appear on doesn't really matter (we're not talking about collabs), it's the channels they have. the word "channel" should indeed be plural in that sentence though, do I need to repost it a third time

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>>58709920
>intentionally biased wording in poal
>still losing
top kek

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>>58709920
why would anyone vote for 2020?

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>>58709920
>ironlung
stay classy nigger
sure hope you're not that same "documentarian helper" tard.

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>>58709920
ip grabber
do not click

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>>58710090
I posted it on /#/ thread.

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>be mouse
>start streaming as chuuba in 2017
>hololive/niji become a thing after you've already started streaming
>get new model in 2019, keep streaming
>2023
>6 anons on a mongolian basket-weaving forums have the audacity to say you "hoped on the Niji/Holo bandwagon"
embarrassing

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>>58710123
>i posted my anti-mouse poal in a known anti-vshojo thread
ah yes, "proof"

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>>58710123
and yet you're STILL losing
in fact your retarded definition of vtuber only got one vote other than yours kek

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>>58710179
She started in August which is a handful of months after Hololive and Nijisanji launched
But this was still the Kizuna AI era where those companies were literal whos and all the big names in the scenes were individuals (and GameBu I guess)

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>>58710401
Right, I do think Niji was already active actually, you're right. Holo may have been formed before Mouse's debut, but hadn't started activities (Sora's debut was in September)

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>>58710401
Nijisanji was founded in 2018 and hololive didn't debut their first talent until September

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>>58703443
>neuro debuted as a vtuber months ago then.
>his/her roommate has been vtubing for a lot longer, but that wasn't neuro.
>Neuro's roommate
Vedal's GPU?

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>>58710498
I was just looking it up and you're right
I don't know why I thought Niji was 2017

Which I guess means Mouse really does predate them both
Huh

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>>58710548
woah cool it with the doxxing buddy

[Anonymous No.]

zen also started vtubing just a couple of months after mouse, so she predates most holos/nijis
bring those (you)s to me

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>>58710548
i almost forgot about this post kek

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>>58710548
If I ask Vedal for his PC specs, does that violate Rule 1?

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>>58710584
sora should call mouse daisenpai
give me all the (You)s

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i do find it cute when people compare neuro with other vtubers as though they were on equal footing. it gives me a taste of what the post-AI personhood world could be like.

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>>58710584
Zen was November 2017, which means ONLY Sora was there before her.
Roboco wasn't until March 2018

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>>58710796
Must've been lonely.
I'm surprised Niji was founded in 2018, I remember hearing that a large part of the rivalry started due to fallback from Niji losing their complete dominance over the market early on, so you'd imagine they had the head-start.

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>>58710903
they collaborated a lot more back then

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>>58710903
They did. Niji popularized Live2D and the livestreaming format. Hololive didn't really take off until Gen 3 (2019). Before then, Niji were the big dogs.

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>>58710179
It is embarrassing how she supposedly an old chuuba yet have no impact whatsoever that even Yua is more well known than her

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>>58711396
who is Yua?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58711396
... who?

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>>58711447
>>58711466
Exactly, newfags

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>>58711503
>even this person is more well known
>who is that?
>See? Newfags
Nigga they literally just proved you wrong
They know Mouse. They don't know Yua.
And me too 'cause I have never heard that name

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>>58711503
... you sure showed us.

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happy christmas

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>>58711593
Oldfag would know about Yua and how she was being memed with how unpopular she was, the fact that even Yua is more well known than Ironmouse shows how irrelevant she was and that she only got popular by riding the hype that HoloEN bring to western vtubing

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>>58712018
>someone who only oldfags know because of a meme about how unpopular she was
>more well-known than Ironmouse, one of the biggest Western vtubers in the industry

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>>58712018
when I read posts like these a part of me really wants to believe no one is this retarded

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>>58712203
>The fact I don't like = bait
Lol, don't act like being a literal who in early days is some kind of an achievement that people should already know you, she only inclined by leech I mean being friends with everyone

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>>58712498
>she only inclined by networking and getting her name known through the community
... Yeah?

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>>58712498
you failed to convince anyone that mouse wasn't a vtuber in 2017 (which, I think you're OP and this was the point of the thread), so now you're switching to... complaining that she slowly built her channel by streaming consistently to a few dozens of viewers back when there wasn't a market for vtubing in the west?
... okay?

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>>58712693
You should work on your detective skill anon and I just find it funny how you fags act like "people should know about Ironmouse because she has been doing this for long time you newfag" when she has no impact that even oldfags don't know her until later she start "networking"

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>>58713188
no one was acting like that

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>>58713188
good luck learning English anon, I know it can be very difficult.

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>>58713188
I see that your grasp on the English language is rapidly deteriorating, so before you start posting word soup could you explain what the fuck you're even talking about?

I genuinely don't know what your point is

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>>58666040
what's the earliest vtuber clip/vod you've found?
2019? 2020?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58697866
Her and Silvervale used to be huge