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57537286 No.57537286 [Reply] [Original]

They are the real victims

>> No.57537356

>>57537286
Magni and Vesper must've really hated them to do what they did.

>> No.57537373

must be a weird state to have 50% of your gen gone within a year
has niji pulled this off yet?

>> No.57537516

This is actually sad.

>> No.57537535

>>57537373
Hana and Indonesia?

>> No.57537640

>>57537286
damn yo

>> No.57537677

>>57537286
>Axel stopped collabing with Zeta because she didn't like the shipping
>Altare openly called out the homobeggars
>Altare has many personal projects
>Axel has music projects and organized group covers
>Magni and Vesper made the anniversary get delayed by two weeks
>Magni and Vesper messed up the merch
>Magni and Vesper left the gen with only 2 members
Yeah.

>> No.57537727

>>57537677
He had a group Collab with Zeta in June when they played Valo

>> No.57537755

>>57537727
>Group
Exactly

>> No.57537775

>>57537286
>Axel
Sure, he probably cared the most about his gen's unity
>Altare
Ehhhhhh, I dunno, I think he'd be fine even if he was the only one left. At worst you could pull an IRyS and pair him with another gen (in his case it's Vanguard) and he'd be just fine.

>> No.57537850

I agree. Best to put them out of their misery, along with the rest of the homos.

>> No.57537877

>>57537775
Altare really liked Magni, I am sure he feels betrayed

>> No.57538038

>>57537286
This but unironically. Literally everything these two do has been taken in the worst possible faith by everyone on this board but they just want to stream and have fun as Holostars.
>>57537775
Altare was extremely obviously fucked up over it the next day. He cared a LOT about both Magni AND Vesper despite him being cast as an evil villain plotting their downfall or whatever.

>> No.57538066

Yagoo will probably find his boys some new playmates one way or another, even if it's only through this goofy esports push

>> No.57538078

>>57537286
I didn't sympathize when you made this thread before, but now you've made the photo of them sepia, I can't help but agree. What you could do is add dark lines under their eyes and make their mouths look sadder.

>> No.57538135

>>57538038
go back to /MANS/ sister

>> No.57538260

>>57537373
how about 50+%
https://vta.anycolor.co.jp/announcements/b0ydsumog6an/

>> No.57538355

>>57538135
>NOOO YOU CAN’T POST IN A CATALOG THREAD
But why?

>> No.57538907

How long until Axel gets axed for sexually harassing Nodoka?

>> No.57538961

I need to know what was the fallout between Altare and Vesper, they were close at the beginning and I need what caused the 180° turn.

>> No.57539021

>>57538961
Vesper called Altare a gook and Altare forgot to renew his N-word pass

>> No.57539128

>>57537677
>>Altare openly called out the homobeggars
Link me

>> No.57539477

>>57538961
It seems like it was probably Altare telling Vesper to get his shit together since he kept fucking up various projects at the time and Vesper flipping out at him because he has anger issues. Then Vesper started avoiding him instead.

>> No.57539511

>>57538038
>Literally everything these two do has been taken in the worst possible faith by everyone on this board
You act like that's wrong to do when so far the board's been right about half of them.

>> No.57539627

>>57538961
Magni told Vesper to "go easy on [Altare]" and Axel made a comment about "mom & dad fighting". That's the most we've got that they even had an issue. Even the "Vesper's avoiding collabs with Altare guys" claims have retroactively been remedied to the more accurate "Vesper's avoiding collabs with the boys in general".

>> No.57539696

>>57539511
kek

>> No.57539702

that video was just sad
i dont even watch them and even i felt bad for them

>> No.57539741
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>>57538907
No danger, since this oneesan got him wrapped around her little finger.

>> No.57539822

is it wrong that I think ENstars is in unironically in danger now? I don't think it can survive another dude fucking off.

>> No.57539937

>>57539822
They'll stick around, though losing two of their most popular talents was definitely a bad blow. Can only imagine the type of mismanagement that happened in the background.

>> No.57540033

>>57539511
Speak for yourself, even Stars fans knew Magni and Vesper were bad news 6 months in.

>> No.57540141

>>57539741
God I wish I were Axel

>> No.57540370
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>>57538078

>> No.57540431

>>57539477
I remember the first time vesper got suspended. Iirc they had a bunch of ttrpg collabs, a joint pokemon session and a lot of other group stuff lined up that had their watchers excited
Then vesper got suspended and they all lost a bunch of their momentum. I would imagine everyone else was pissed

>> No.57540890

>>57537373
>must be a weird state to have 50% of your gen gone within a year
For a second thought that anon was making racist joke

>> No.57541025

>>57538907
Hopefully soon. Axel has always creeped me out.

>> No.57541043

>>57537373
If the Clown goes too they'll have a higher percentage dead than their JP senpai lmao

>> No.57541116

>>57539937
...That actually raises a good point that I don't think I've seen brought up yet.
Was this whole "yab" all on EN management being so shittily run that they let the contracts run out? Got too cocky, left it too late, forgot entirely, whichever. I'd imagine this is the kind of shit you'd nail down for-sure months beforehand, SO that you can capitalize off their exit tour & legally let them stream graduations.

>> No.57541362

>>57537677
>Magni and Vesper brought in the viewership
Everything else is just fucking around. Axel, for how nice of a dude he is, just isn't interesting to watch solo. Blue man is just blue man.

>> No.57541684

>>57539627
>"go easy on [Altare]" and Axel made a comment about "mom & dad fighting"
What the fuck? I'm curious about the context, this is fertile soil for rumors. (Especially since Vesper couldn't stop saying how much he respected Altare near debut.)

>> No.57541817

>>57539937
If Bettel leaves, it's a deathblow to the branch. I'm sure they'll still keep them, if only to not lose face, but there will be no more investment if the most popular guys leaving becomes a trend. (I guess he will have more leverage in negotiations now.)

>> No.57541879

>>57541684
My guess is that maybe it was over all the projects that got shitcanned because Vesper was too busy being a menhera. Originally Altare's podcast was supposed to be with HQ, but all the published episodes are missing Magni and Vesper.

>> No.57541889

>>57541684
We don’t know the context, it’s ALL we got. “Mom and dad fighting” was clearly about management, too.

>> No.57542119

>>57541116
>Was this whole "yab" all on EN management being so shittily run that they let the contracts run out? Got too cocky, left it too late, forgot entirely, whichever
Why do the sisters come up with such outlandish copes so often? You don't "forget" two of your top talents are threatening graduation, not when everyone keeps asking about them at that. The prevailing theory with the most weight is this.
>Stars JP start getting cheaper, standardized merch
>Astel SAS something about needing to get a certain number of subs, possibly linking the two
>People notice that isn't the case for EN, they get normal merch
>Theorize they'll get a one year cycle of good merch then move to standardized next year since it would be unfair otherwise
>Vesper and Magni are already bitchy about everything (roommate sources)
>See new contracts
>Attempt revolt to get a better deal using their contact renewals as leverage
>Fail

>> No.57542135

>>57541889
I hope we get a book on this from the inside in like 20 years. I'm so curious about this and whatever's going on with Gura.

>> No.57542152

>>57539741
What a slut.

>> No.57542387

>>57541116
>legally let them stream graduations
My rrat is that they tried to negotiate right up until the finish line. You can't put this on management for refusing to bend. Probably asked them about graduation ceremonies and they just pointed to their demands.

>> No.57542426

>>57537373
Maybe not 50% but damn close, their newest EN branch, Krisis lost 2 members before they even debuted

>> No.57544200

>>57542119
Anon you might misunderstand. I don't mean during the hiatus, but late enough that the hiatus was even necessary in the first place. I'm posting under the assumption that they couldn't hold graduation streams BECAUSE the contracts had ran out by then, so they legally couldn't.
Sana announced her exit, did her goodbye tour & graduated a month before her 1st anniversary. Magni & Vesper disappeared without warning a mere 2 weeks before theirs. That's a noticeable discrepancy. Either they only showed them the contracts in July, didn't expect to be told "ehhhhh maybe not", and panicked. Or they showed them months before, were told "ehhhhh maybe not" and... just left it at that until July anyway? Fucking why? You get a signature or a handshake and you prepare accordingly. Why GIVE them the leverage by letting them stream like everything's fine? "Not resigning? K, your graduation stream's July 11th. Announce it yourself or we will. Best of luck."

>> No.57544367

>>57537286
Well they are as much victims as a bunch of girls entering some party named "free rape" entirely naked.

>> No.57544429

>>57544200
I don't know how many times you have to be told that rrat is retarded for dozens of reasons. You know jack shit about contract law. If the contract had really run out they could have easily signed a short-term contract even just for a graduation stream.

>> No.57544518

>>57542426
There were 2 of them that left?

>> No.57544604

>>57537286
Magni’s PL already has better ccv than the entirety of holostars EN combined lol

>> No.57544638

>>57544429
Well this is the first time that I'm personally being told that.
I'd ask "gimme a few of them" but TBPH just alluding to them already answers my original question so no point in me being annoying about it I guess.

>> No.57544652

>>57539741
Axel can't stop getting away with it!

>> No.57544700

>>57544604
Were most Homostar fans just there for Vesper and Magni?

>> No.57544724

>>57542426
>>57544518
Yeah I only heard about 1, details on the 2nd?

>> No.57544760

>>57544700
Most Homostars fans were there because they wanted to destroy 'idol culture.'

>> No.57544820

>>57544604
Vesper will be fine, but I HIGHLY doubt Magni’s fans will stick around. He obviously has a boost right now but he’s just not funny or entertaining as he is.

>> No.57544841

>>57544700
Isnt it obvious? The entire branch died when they got suspended

>> No.57544868

>>57542135
And if there ever was a secret cabal of unicorn-leaners in Cover. There has to be, Yagoo hasnt just figured a way or a why to cleanse them without harming profits.

>> No.57545008

>>57544820
Magni will thrive because he gained alot more new fans that what he had with holostars… he attracted the underaged ticktok tranny/11 year old california tween fanbase. Hes slowly turning into gay version of anthony padillia

>> No.57545023

I'm sure the two of them had issues that were directly at odds with how a vtuber corpo is operated and therefore impossible to solve via negotiation. You can't negotiate perms away, you can't negotiate for the ability to say whatever with no filter, you can't negotiate meetings and other timewasters away (maybe reduce them at most), etc.
The surprising thing is how sudden it was, and how they both got stuff with their model shortly before leaving. There must have been some enormous incompetence at work to just not see this coming at all and invest in these two without even knowing whether contract renewal was guaranteed or not.

>> No.57545073

>>57539627
Altare probably didn't want Vesper getting involved with the drama over unicorns. He probably knew that Vesper was just wanting to help out HoloEN but that fight was causing issues for Tempus.

>> No.57545158

>>57539741
Where's that song cover they were definitely going to do friendo?
Only fagsolotls could see Axel being a nuisance and bothering Astel's bitches as le epic rizz xD

>> No.57547503

>>57545158
This is how they think; talk to someone= rizz
Look she she acknowledged his existance uooo!! rizzgod, rizzgod!! Kek bootleg astel, even that giving him too much credit

>> No.57547614

>>57545008
He gained shit, his suscribees didnt grwo dramatically and his twtich channel is doing worse with each stream, soon there wont be buff from graduation

>> No.57547746

>>57544820
Vesper won the most he went to 2viewer to permanent low 3 viewer. But thats the only way he can gain viewers

>> No.57547760

>>57544200
They got suspended over a month ago though, we don't know when their contracts expired so it's reasonable to assume ot was just shortly before their termination tweet and management had been trying to beg them to sign for more than a month.

>> No.57547924

>>57545158
>>57547503
You guys sound intimidated.

>> No.57548468

>>57547760
Oh I wholly believe that last part. A 13 month long contract just sounds a lot less likely than a 12 month one (especially since this all reminds me of a similar situation a Japanese company was in a few years ago, because reportedly "year-long contracts are the standard there").
If anything I think it's more plausible they start before debut, hence Sana's graduation happening weeks before her anniversary. That'd also, y'know, lock the chuuba IN for an anniversary celebration and any preparation that entails. Which makes it all the more baffling to me that this wasn't settled LONG before the 11&1/2th hour.

>> No.57548499

>>57537286
gotta support the cause

>> No.57549079

>>57538038
>Altare was extremely obviously fucked up over it the next day. He cared a LOT about both Magni AND Vesper despite him being cast as an evil villain plotting their downfall or whatever.
He didn't want them getting involved with the HoloEN problems but he clearly was shocked that Cover fired them.

>> No.57549213

>>57544604
And he only does because he got into holostars, it's not as cool as you think it is siskek

>> No.57549275

>>57547924
kek if the truth makes you salty thats your problem, are you telling me thats not how some of his "fans" behave? Unless you're feeling called out
Idk why do you have a problem with that.

>> No.57549324

>>57549079
>fired
Is there still any proof for this?

>> No.57549361

>>57537286
I might have a shred of empathy for them if they kept to their lane from the start but nope, fuck them, glad they're suffering this embarrassment of an "anniversary"

>> No.57549392

i'd jump ship stars is a lost cause

>> No.57549403

>>57541362
I kinda like Axel a lot. I really enjoy his interactions with Towa and RPR.

>> No.57549496

>>57549213
Dosent matter he dosent need your blackshit company anymore

>> No.57549573

Yeah, THEY want to be idols and do the work. Really disappointing

>> No.57549579

>>57537286
axel is the only victim
>he dropped his collabs with zeta to avoid hurting her numbers
>he slowly reduced his hololive-girls collabs, replaced them with rpr friends and apex girls
>most leech-like interaction was making that large song project that included ina, never did a 1-1 or group stream with her
>actively ignored or find excuses in order to avoid playing a way out with zeta
>actively pushed 2 staff members (nodoka and her manager) as "love interests" to avoid talents getting shipped with him
>bets on holostars self-reliance and unity instead of leeching off calli/kronii/baelz
>ANNOUNCEMENT

>> No.57549694

Wrong, they are the next target.
*play terminator theme*

>> No.57550424

>>57549275
Oh no problem. I'm just amused by how an innocent little joke got you two so riled up.

>> No.57550818

>>57550424
so mad seething lmao

>> No.57550967

>>57537677
You also forget everyone elses outfits got delayed in favor of Magni and Vespers model updates I remember them kinda hinting at it for a while so that still is so odd to me that they'd fuck their "bros" like that.

>> No.57551381

>>57550818
Nice "no u" bro.

>> No.57551382

>>57549579
>ANNOUNCEMENT
?

>> No.57554339

>>57549579
>he dropped his collabs with zeta to avoid hurting her numbers
du u relly beleb it
He’s the one always in her chat while she only awkwardly acknowledges him when shes forced to
And even if he’s the one ignoring holos instead of the other way around I dont think it’s particularly admirable to focus on shitters he has a better chance at grooming
Dawg has been caught in actual JP 2views chats (with them ignoring him until he goes away of course)

>> No.57554526

>>57551382
The remaining Tempussies discussing the graduation. That was the thumbnail.
It was on Axel's channel. :(

>> No.57554619

>>57549579
...Why the fuck does Nodoka have a manager?

>> No.57555571

>>57554619
Either he means A-chan or fucked up and meant his own manager that people said he was flirting with during his handcam stream.

>> No.57556075

I blame management. once again. Hololive shitty management. they are fucking owned by bank of japan basically now. so cheap they make their members just leave. ffs. sick of hearing about how cheap cover corp is of a company actually. heard they make their talent pay for a lot of their video editing and graphix.

>> No.57556349

>>57556075
These comments are so funny (and sad)
It's a nice cope th, I'm sorry you can't stand the idea of magni and vesper being shitty people
Truth is, Irys also had to deal with bad management but she didn't quit.. why is that, are holo girls just build different?
And Magni and Vesper didn't care about numbets right? So numbers shouldn't be an excuse.... Mmmm

>> No.57556522

>>57541362
dudes a bro if only he wasn't being an unironic dumbass in every moment

>> No.57556591

>>57545008
vtuber fans like the vtuber aspect. he will not hold fans as a fleshtuber.

>> No.57556683

>>57544604
relax

>> No.57556888

>>57554526
Ooooh, I see, I dont really watch homos, but was curious enough to check the thread.

>> No.57557027

>>57556349
I can believe they're shitty people.
I'm less inclined to believe that Cover would let them get away with acting on it and even getting to think they held an ounce of "leverage". Unless /vt/'s Omega rrats were all bang-on and Tempus were all so pampered that they set themselves up to get carnied.

>> No.57557041

Axl deserves better

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>>57557041
More like Axel deserves Bettel

>> No.57558188

>>57537373
Yes

NijiID
NijiIN

>> No.57560581

>>57544604
He’s back to 3view on his solo streams already

>> No.57561390

>>57549496
>Cover
>A black company
You've never had a job, have you? Underage little girls should get off this website.

>> No.57562227

>>57557041
He was done incredibly dirty in ZX Advent.

>> No.57562611

>>57537727
yeah that's called throwing the dogs a bone, that is literally the only collab they've had in like 6 months

>> No.57562743
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>>57538066
>they'll make friends through yagoo's silly esports push
yeah about that...

>> No.57563394

>>57547746
Yeah but he would have made more money in Stars than as indie

>> No.57564447

>>57557027
The EN branch's management was massively overhauled in the last year. We know for a fact that Tempus HQ was coddled as fuck and got away with shit like crazy, then Tempus VG released under the new management and got the much rougher end of the deal. This is such an important detail that's been made public that I don't know why so much discussion forgets about it.

It's basically a given that Magni and Vesper 2.0s were greenlit by the previous management too.

>> No.57564560

>>57563394
Sure, but he can go full retard as an indie and i bet he loves that

>> No.57564870

>>57544604
What? Unless I'm missing something, he's already back to 900-2k range. Better than what he used to get before Stars, but not really better than Magni per se.

>> No.57564906

>>57551381
Ok, if ur not bothered why do you kep replying? Need to have the last word to feel better?
waiting for that reply to prove my point. kek

>> No.57569204

>>57537286
men can't be victims

>> No.57572114

>>57562227
that was model A for Albert you dingus

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