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>> No.57255011
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>>57254958
/MANS/ Commandments
>1. Why not merge with /stars/?
Thou shall not override the discussion of thy neighbor.
>2. Do you guys want collabs with Hololive?
It is not of our concern.
>3. Do you guys want collabs with Nijisanji?
It is not of our concern.
>4. Did you guys see the boys numbers?
It is not of our concern.
>5. Did you see what /catalogue/ is saying?
Thou shalt not waste time on their foul words.
>6. The baiters are insulting your bros!
Thou shalt not waste time on their foul words.
>7. Hey guess what I heard from Hololive/Nijisanji!
Thine words do not belong in this temple.
>8. You guys should split the thr-
Thou shalt not.

Therefore I declare this thread, sanctified.

>> No.57255127

>>57255011
amen

>> No.57255150
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>>57255011
amen

>> No.57255166
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>>57255011
Amen.

>> No.57255176
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Puzzle still ongoing!
https://puzzle.aggie.io/m6kBd4

>> No.57255207

>>57255011
Amen
that other /mans/'s OP is a mess

>> No.57255216 [SPOILER] 
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>>57255011
Amen. Soundpost in spoiler image, does anyone have the altare soundpost of the commandments?

>> No.57255226

>two threads

Jobber guild...

I do like the OP layout in the other one though

>> No.57255257 [SPOILER] 
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>>57254525
in theory his official color is blue

>> No.57255260
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>Will continue posting this /here/ during dead hours until the 31st
Magni Membership Content Archive
https://rentry.org/magniarchive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1U_jzU_lFiyDZYfsFNZnv8U2JUUTcsGaF?usp=sharing

>> No.57255292
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I WILL NEVER FORGIVE MAGNI AND VESPER FOR LEAVING AND INVITING SCHIZOS TO FIND A NEW TARGET IN MY BELOVED GAVIS BETTEL

>> No.57255306

https://twitter.com/josuijishinri/status/1696304956037624130
Shinri is too good for this world.

>> No.57255333

>>57255226
Same, I like the news bit but I don't like how it's called HolostarsEN instead of Tempus

>> No.57255340

>>57254958
That's me. I'm the board.

>> No.57255345

>>57255216
I'm on my phone and catbox won't open on it but it's here https://rentry.org/manswork

>> No.57255372

>>57255306
and this is why no one cares or watches him. the most boring and goodie-two-shoes type of streamer who has nothing interesting to offer.

>> No.57255375

>>57255306
Hakka got an AFK kill with mines, mama must be so proud...

>> No.57255410

>>57255226
hell no it's so bad.

>> No.57255435

>>57255375
KEK

>> No.57255440

>>57255306
The student has become the master. I'm so proud of Hakka.

>> No.57255456

>>57255372
Who hurt you? Why are you being like this?

>> No.57255530

>>57255372
It's telling that you can't relate to someone who is nice to people.

>> No.57255553

>>57255345
Thanks!

>> No.57255562

I missed yesterday's rust streams, worth going back for?

>> No.57255696

>>57255410
Like >>57255333 said the only real issue is HoloStarsEN instead of Tempus being in the subject, the news is nice and the talent separation is going to be needed anyway when the 31st rolls around. Or are you mad because It has Shinri in the OP?

>> No.57255737

>>57255696
It also has no pastebin or playlist

>> No.57255813

>>57255333
You'll have to get used to it if new gens moving forward aren't Tempus but are StarsEN

>> No.57255843

>>57255737
Fair point. Maybe the next baker will do something similar but more polished.

>> No.57255883

>>57255696
no it's just messy
eventually that shit won't get updated, you can make an anchor post for news, like was done for merch and frames once

>> No.57255954
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>>57255562
Altare participating in Temma's athletic event and impressing the JP Stars was cute. It's best watched from Temma's side since Altare didn't start streaming his perspective until the final 40 minutes though.
https://youtu.be/gVTGDgbrQgs?t=7900

>> No.57255987

>>57255883
>won't get updated
Just like the playlist then. Is the anon maintaining that dead?

>> No.57255994

>>57255843
We already have a new pastebin with an alumni section. I think most of our bakers are waiting for the official date is all.

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>>57255843
>>57255994
This one, right?
https://pastebin.com/yX8fUvq4

>> No.57256107

>>57255987
that's the official holostars tempus playlist bro

>> No.57256119
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congrats to the 2023 bettelbowl winner

>> No.57256194

>>57256107
Oh...

>> No.57256208

>>57256119
There was never a bowl, it was always flaytel <3

>> No.57256222
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>>57256119
FLAYTEL LOVE!

>> No.57256273

>>57256119
>prehensile tail
I do like it when that's an additional detail.

>> No.57256450

>>57256046
Yeah think so

>> No.57256557

>>57255260
I appreciate you, little mag.

>> No.57256644

where da streams

>> No.57256793

>>57256644
The streams were inside you all along. The operation to remove them will begin shortly. Anesthetic will be administered in 3.02 minutes.

>> No.57256987

>>57256793
no... da streams

>> No.57257156

>my unlisted holostars audition video got a copyright block
fuck

>> No.57257249

>>57257156
sorry to hear that, mysta

>> No.57257530

>>57257156
One of mine got a claim because I used one of those AI-separated karaoke tracks. I'm going to assume that's what happened to you.

>> No.57257938
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please dude a nano collab would be so cool

>> No.57257982

>>57257938
who?

>> No.57258045

Is Hakka's power back yet...

>> No.57258086

>>57258045
roru

>> No.57258126

>>57257938
I've heard her name, but actually haven't heard any of her music.

>> No.57258129

>>57257982
singer known for a bunch of anime OP/ED songs

>> No.57258141

>>57257938
Nano and Hakka would be really cool, especially since she's popular in Latin America. She also does a lot of shounen anime theme covers, which would suit Hakka well.

>> No.57258204

Is Hakka's power black yet...

>> No.57258274

That’s it. I’m going to marry Shinri and we will adopt Hakka together. I can save both of them.

>> No.57258487

>>57258274
Can you give Shinri central air conditioning, privacy for karaoke, and room for handcam cooking streams?

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>>57258045

>> No.57258632

>>57258487
The fact Shinri started buying stuff because he gave up on moving so he's spending the money he was saving..

>> No.57258722
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>>57258045
>>57258505

>> No.57258777
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>>57258505
I'm going to find this boy and take him out of the third world. I'm gonna pinpoint his exact location, keep the deets for myself and send him a green card to the United States with a letter from me. The Axelkito.

>> No.57258780

>>57258505
>>57258722
why doesn't he just marry a hakkito for a green card?

>> No.57258816

>>57255292
don't worry. I'll make sure he joins them

>> No.57258828

>>57258505
he needs to hurry up and marry one of the boys so he can get a green card

>> No.57258863

>>57258780
They're either latinos, SEA or Chinese. He's fucked

>> No.57259054

>>57258126
The type of music she makes would actually be a great fit for Hakka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S1Ql39yAtQ
She also does covers of Japanese songs featuring her own English translations of the lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIABeKUBVzI

>> No.57259120
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Thank you /MANS/ for a fun puzzle

>> No.57259151

>>57258828
So this is why he's trying so hard to wingman Shintare...

>> No.57259159

>>57258863
He has a couple of hakkitos supremos that also aka supa him, though not as frequent as before.

>> No.57259191

>>57257938
The only Nano song I know is No pain No game and it's still one of my favorite anisong ever

>> No.57259236

>>57258863
>>57259159 (me)
Forgot to specify, but in USD.

>> No.57259285

>>57259054
I'm still dreaming of a Kana-Boon cover from Axel

>> No.57259344

>waiting for Shinri Rust
>confused why there's waiting room yet
>realize it's Monday
No...
Well guess I'll keep watching Temma

>> No.57259401

>>57259344
*no waiting room

>> No.57259498

>>57259191
I was one of the 10 people who watched Phi Brain and I love "Now or Never"

>> No.57259609

>>57259498
I never watched Phi Brain but that song was an absolute banger.

>> No.57259833

>>57258632
Ah man, that's rough. Rent must be insane around there.

>> No.57259932

Graduate Magni Dezmond.

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>>57259932

>> No.57260084

>>57259932
You'll have to redebut him before we can do that again.

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>>57259932

>> No.57260211
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heheheheh

>> No.57260255
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>>57260211
Ugly

>> No.57260278

Fuck rust

>> No.57260364

>>57260204
>>57260211
>>57260255
Less attractive than would generally be considered desirable.

>> No.57260417

>>57260255
:(

>> No.57260581

>>57260204
>>57260211
Honestly, the issues with the models makes me wonder if the boys had any input on their character models pre-debut in the same way that the girls do with theirs.

>> No.57260582
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I think Axel Syrios is underrated. He is almost as cool as Jesse Pinkman from the hit series Breaking Bad!

>> No.57260706

>>57260582
Stop posting here, Axel

>> No.57260951

>>57260582
S T R E A M

>> No.57261271

>>57260581
Pretty sure no one in Hololive has any input on their initial models. They get to have some say so on future outfits with tenure.

>> No.57261284

>>57259191
catastrophe (the only one i know, from human bug daigaku) is really good, just stumbled onto an old playlist that it too

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>>57260582
I agree.

>> No.57261493

>>57261271
Alright, that might be what I'm thinking of.
I know the girls have talked about having input on their models and outfits in the past, and I vaguely recall someone in Advent (maybe Rissa) saying something similar as well. But it could just be regarding outfits, as you say.

I do think there ought to be more QA before debut, though. Even Gura had rigging issues at one point.

>> No.57261591

>>57259054
Ok, yeah having listened to it I can see the genre being a good fit for the bird.

>> No.57261735
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>>57260211
PUT SOME GRADUATION STREAMS ON YOU WHORE

>> No.57261758

i kinda want to burn my magni shirt

>> No.57261827

>>57261758
Just don't do it on top of a cardboard box like some anon did.

>> No.57261919

Do I send a supa to bettel saying it's my birthday on Friday or Monday since it's during anime impulse

>> No.57261920

Consensual sex with Gavis Bettel

>> No.57262041

>>57260211
Chu~

>> No.57262177
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>>57261920
Pass.

>> No.57262183

>>57261758
I still have mine, and his birthday merch
Don’t be stupid

>> No.57262292

>>57262177
Gavis Bettel rape?

>> No.57262343

>>57261919
Just be like "Sending this early because my birthday's on Friday or Monday and I'm gonna be at Anime Impulse, my hotel room is 356, knock to the tune of Yankee Doodle so I know that it's you"

>> No.57262369

>>57261758
donate it to a second hand store or something

>> No.57262464

>>57261758
Send it to me. I want to remember, if nothing else.

>> No.57262540

>>57261271
Kiara mentioned that it depends. Some talents get complete control, some get to change some minor details, others are just assigned whatever's there. There's no way the dogs had zero input

>> No.57262547

>>57261493
From what I've seen, nobody has input pre-debut. It seems like Cover creates the model, the lore, has in mind a personality, and then casts to fill the role they want performed. I'm blanking on the actual talent names but I've seen clips in the past from both live and stars of them answering chat comments about their bodies with tongue in cheek references as if it were genetic, like "you can't choose the way your body/face looks either" or "everyone is just born the way that they are". The one exception I would theorise is FuwaMoco as they are so incredibly specific.

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>>57262343
Haha I could I am staying nearby haha what if

>> No.57262891

>>57262547
That makes much more sense. I was aware that they made the characters before casting, but I'd have at least hoped that there would be some other input given. I suppose I'm just coping since it's on record that the model issues are one point of contention for Magni.

On a semi-related note, weren't there two Hololive character designs that Cover looked to cast who had to be scrapped for whatever reason?

>The one exception I would theorise is FuwaMoco as they are so incredibly specific.
I do believe they said that they had to sell the concept of twin VTubers to Cover after their auditions were rejected a few times over.

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>>57262292
Now we're talkin'.

>> No.57263120

>>57263053
>Magni and Vesper have graduated
but Morf and Clopbot haven't

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>>57262891
>but I'd have at least hoped that there would be some other input given
Well, that makes sense given the website (https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/audition/)) says that anyone who passes auditions gets to work with the artist for the design.
Is this false advertising? Is this false advertising finally proof that Cover is a black company?

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Gavis Kettle

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>>57263144
Maybe it's a translation error or misinterpretation.

JP:
>専用キャラクターを提供
>人気イラストレーターさんがあなただけのキャラクターを制作
>人気のイラストレーターさんにあなただけが使える専用キャラクターをデザインして頂き、VTuber活動ができるようにLive2Dモデルを制作して提供いたします。

Google Translate:
>Provide a dedicated character
>A popular illustrator will create a character just
for you
>A popular illustrator will design a special character that only you can use, and we will create and provide a Live2D model so that you can do VTuber activities.

>> No.57263365

>>57263144
>Is this false advertising
It's just misleading, they do get to say what they want changed, but it usually doesn't happen
This also go's with he workload description too.

>> No.57263370

>>57262891
>weren't there two Hololive character designs that Cover looked to cast who had to be scrapped for whatever reason?
You might be thinking of HoloX's concept art. I know beta-Lui is known, I think beta-Chloe is also known. Not sure about the others

>> No.57263459

>>57263370
Post them if you've got them; they might be who I was thinking of. I remember one of the girls was green.

I may be thinking of a different company entirely, come to think of it, but I'll cross that bridge later.

>> No.57263477

>>57263301
>A popular illustrator will create a character just
that's not saying they get input tho, think about the phrasing (google translated, I know)

>> No.57263557

>>57263477
That's what I was saying. The official English translation may be overselling the actual truth, and the original Japanese is more accurate.

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>>57263459
nta but I think you guys might be thinking of these? The artists did come back for Lui and Chloe.

>> No.57263643

>>57263301
I wouldn't be surprised if it was misinterpreted.
I can imagine the JP management that wrote it saying "work together" as just bullshit optimistic corporate speak.
The EN side probably just translated that literally.

>> No.57263649

No traitors allowed beyond this point.

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>>57263649
What was that? I was too busy being under your post to hear you.

>> No.57263722

>>57263595
I was seconds away from describing what I remembered them looking like but yeah that's the concept art I was referring to kek

>> No.57263760

>>57263649
Agreed. Fuck Jeffrey for betraying us.

>> No.57263788

>>57263301
"Popular illustrator" translates to "FGO artist who draws ugly male characters"

>> No.57263816

>>57263595
I think that might be them. I wonder why they scrapped the characters.

>>57263722
Then yeah, I don't know why I remembered one of them as being green.

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>>57263649

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>> No.57263951

>>57263301
Honestly I feel like the Japanese is more subtly communicating they won't try to pull some Game-bu or Kizuna Ai shit on you and replace your voice and keep the model around. It's hard to overstate how much that pissed off the Japanese side of the audience, much worse than it was over here frankly.

>> No.57264039

>>57263951
Shut the fuck up old man

>> No.57264060

>>57263951
Very insightful Vesper.

>> No.57264080

>>57263951
you would know about that, wouldn't you. whore

>> No.57264116

>>57263825
PEAK KINO RIGHT HERE FOR ME.

WAKING UP AT UNGODLY HOURS TO WATCH THEM PRACTICE. I LOVE TEAM SNAKEBITE!!!!

>> No.57264203

>>57263816
Lui's was probably scrapped because of how absurdly large she is. Even without the hat she'll still take up a lot of the screen because of her hair spreading out. It seems like they revisited the idea for Narissa. Chloe's is very similar to the final version so Cover probably wasn't 100% happy with it

>> No.57264274

There are so many filtered posts and I'm not sure I want to know why

>> No.57264317

>>57259833
it's California so not unexpected but it really makes you wonder how much he's making compared to the others if he can't even afford to move out

>> No.57264322

>>57264203
>tfw cover will never debut a large character
Architectbros...

>> No.57264760

It really is dead hours...

>> No.57264891

>>57264760
Meeting Mondays are always like this

>> No.57264987

>>57264760
sorry anon i am a boring person and i don't have much to say

>> No.57266219

wtf magnoir is actually doing a graduation stream??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvSKHYzB82M

>> No.57266264

>>57266219
4k left

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I wanna hear people's thoughts on this, cause a lot's been on my mind since the graduation announcement. With concerns about Bettel following the same path as Magni and Vesper, and lots of sentiment about Magnoir abandoning Holostars/their fans/their guildmates, do you think this effect could be lessened if the workload associated with being a Holostars EN member was a little lighter?

Hear me out. We know it's pretty normal for Hololive talents to have lighter stream schedules, take breaks, etc, to avoid burnout and also to give them time for real life stuff, whether that's roommate activities, friends, family, gym, etc. For some reason, Holostars EN doesn't seem to have that expectation. I'm not sure if it's enforced by management, or just something that the boys choose to do, but they all have really full schedules most weeks, and make constant references to meetings, manager stuff, behind the scenes work, etc. It's clear that being in Holostars EN requires the equivalent of at least a full time job.

The problem is that in order to pass auditions, you have to have proved yourself as a content creator beforehand. As any content creator knows, as soon as you stop making stuff, your audience disappears. It's really rare to take a break, come back, and see the same kind of numbers. So it seems like Holostars EN are in a position where they either have to give up the progress they've made on their own, or try and balance the workload of being a HoloPro talent with the workload of their PL in order to not lose momentum. With that in mind, it's not like I can blame them for not wanting to let go of that safety net, or returning to it altogether.

Do you think if the boys weren't trying to do 5+ streams a week, membership content, meetings, recording vocals/voice packs, etc, that there would be less fear about Bettel or others giving up and returning to their PLs? Should they be expected to sever ties to their past in order to be "all in" on Holostars? I don't think there are any wrong answers here, I just wanna see opinions other than my own. Sorry if this was rambly, I'm a little drunk. Enjoy cute Bettelmaid.

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>>57266329
sorry I can't read

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57266731

>>57266329

>> No.57266792

Would you support Axel even if he finished university and had a degree in kingdom hearts

>> No.57266895

>>57266792
No. Aniki needs to stay retarded.

>> No.57267122
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>>57266329
not reading all that! The workload for the boys does seem to be fucking crazy. even compared to the JPs. also, i don't know why the Bettel is leaving rrat has grown legs this strong, the only argument is him being friends with notmagni

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Catxel XIII..

>> No.57267268
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We found out what happened to the buttbaby btw

>> No.57267285

>>57266329
I like Tempus

>> No.57267343

>>57267285
I like tempus too :D

>> No.57267363

>>57267285
based

>> No.57267378

>>57266517
>>57266731
>>57267122
NTA but I'll make it short:

>Do you think the post-graduation concerns about Bettel, Magni, and Vesper could have been lessened if the workload of being in StarsEN were lighter?

>Hololive talents have lighter schedules and take breaks to avoid burnout or accomodate IRL events, but StarsEN doesn't have that. I'm not sure if it's management's decision or the talents' choice, but they have full schedules each week, make references to meetings, and treat it all as a full time job.

>To pass auditions, you have to prove yourself as a content creator. As any content creator knows, when you stop making stuff, your audience disappears. It's rare to take a break, come back, and hit the same numbers as before. StarsEN seem to believe they either have to give up the progress they made before, or try to balance StarsEN with their PL output so that they don't lose momentum.

>If the boys weren't trying to do five streams a week, menshi content, meetings, recordings, etc., do you think there would be less fear about Bettel or others graduating and returning to their PLs? Should they be expected to sever their past and go all-in on Holostars? I don't think there are any wrong answers, I'm just fielding opinions. I'm a little drunk. Bettelmaid.

>> No.57267905

How's axelotl prime holding up?

>> No.57267971

>>57266329
What's fucked is that they lost a guy from either end of the RM popularity spectrum. Magni left (presumably) because his RM content was more popular and he could bring in some of his Magni fans as well, while Vesper's RM was not popular at all but still left (presumably) with the hope that some of his fans would watch his RM content and make that viable. Neither was all that attached to Holostars or idol stuff, so how does Cover keep them? Holostars isn't the golden ticket that Hololive is so it's a lot harder to incentivize the boys into staying. Piling work onto them really doesn't help it would seem.

>> No.57267998

>>57260204
I can't get over how he used this face maybe two times at most during his whole career.

>> No.57268082

>>57266329
Why are they doing so much corporate horseshit? They're a vestigial branch. What the hell do they need weekly meetings for? Send them messages in discord or emails. I'm pretty sure gen 0 and gen 1 of the main branch didn't have to do that shit.

>> No.57268154

>>57268082
Altare's manager brings him into meetings often because he loves Altare and just wants to spend more time with him.

>> No.57268201

>>57268082
Oh yeah, Gen 0 and Gen 1, the great examples of what Hololive is as a company and how they treat their employees.

>> No.57268341

>>57268082
>What the hell do they need weekly meetings for? Send them messages in discord or emails.
Shinri please, you should be paying attention to the meeting

>> No.57268361

>>57268154
>tfw you can never lure altare into date times with you alone under the guise of a meeting

>> No.57268395

>>57268361
>>57268154
hot

>> No.57268400

>>57254958
Do I have to be a homosexual to enjoy holostars

>> No.57268417

>>57268082
It all depends on the corporation. In my job, we only have a meet once every two weeks and those meetings are usually 10-30 minutes.
It's a different story if we're meeting with stakeholders or kicking off a new project.
The REAL question is: What kind of shit aside from con appearances, TEMPUS week, anniversary, etc would Stars EN be doing? It's not like they're doing huge shit like the girls do.

>> No.57268424

>>57268154
Didn't he get a new manager?

>> No.57268561

>>57268400
Not really, Magni already left

>> No.57268612

The stream is members-only so I can't check myself, but in the karaoke after MagNoir's graduation, I think Axel said something about how their departure "had to happen".

Does anybody know what he meant by that, or have a guess as to what it means considering the other rrats that have been shared?
Am I even getting the quote right?

>> No.57268633

>>57268417
Altare and Axel are preparing for their 3Debut
Tempus is getting hypno-indoctrination to ensure their undying loyalty to the Supreme Leader

>> No.57268652

>>57254958
This thread is still called mans?

>> No.57268829

>>57268652
Machina
Altare
Naxel, NHakka, NBettel
Shinri

>> No.57268920

>>57268417
They were planning stuff for Anniversary since late May, and that involves a lot of back and forth regarding merch, outfits, stream ideas. There's voice pack projects, covers, personal projects, there's a lot.
It's not always new stuff, just updates on ongoing projects.

>> No.57268935

>>57267971
There's definitely not as much incentive for them to stay as Hololive, especially when you mount on the pressure and antis that will come with just being under the Holostars name. We also know Vesper and Magni hated their models the most and were the most menhera out of the bunch, so there's that too

It's kind of hard to accept all this is real when they insisted that the numbers didn't matter and that they were here for the boys at the end of the day. I guess they finally had enough and snapped... I just wish management had at least compromised to have them stay long enough to have a graduation. I'd take closure anyday over the emptiness that I've felt over the last week

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>>57268829
I don't really understand, but okay.

>> No.57269014

>>57268652
We should be known as 'The General Formerly Know as /MANS/ - Tempus General'

>> No.57269162

https://twitter.com/gavisbettel/status/1696359932982177845

>> No.57269166

>>57268652
I'm happy for you anon, you've learned to read.

>> No.57269232

>>57268154
That was the old manager. The new manager doesn't seem as lovestruck...yet.

>> No.57269245

>>57262547
>>57262891
This is the answer for Hololive at least. >>57262540
The only ones that almost definitely didn't have input would be ancient gens like 1 and 2 on the JP side since when the auditions were announced it was clear what they were getting.
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/992637968195010565

>> No.57269357

>>57269232
It's only a matter of time...

>> No.57269372
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Got a "thanks for applying" rote email to the application I forgot I had sent in many weeks ago. Guess I'll try again after I've polished my skills more.

>> No.57269421

>>57268935
It really does seem like New Management dropping the ball so hard that they lost their two most popular streamers.

If I had to make up a rrat, it's probably because Magni excluded them from whatever anniversary plans he was making up, and whenever he did present those plans they were rejected outright. The Tachibana rrat could possible play into it as well if management caught wind of the leaks and decided to place a tighter grip on whoever it is that talents collab with, but that's still just a guess. Overall, I blame the managers, and if MagNoir ever start to ponder coming back, the first stipulation will be that everybody who fucked up before has been out of the company for at least a month prior.

>> No.57269465

>>57269245
It's crazy to think in some other alternate universe Matsuri wouldn't be the Matsuri we ended up getting. I wonder if it was the same case for Miyabi, which is crazy since his voice fits his model perfectly

>> No.57269527

>>57267378
thank u anon, i literally don't know how to shut the fuck up

>> No.57269583

>>57268978
the Ns in their names are silent. hope this helps!

>> No.57269591

>>57269245
The input is really for minor changes, like accessories and all. You can't make major changes, like, for example, Kiara asking for a different color palette or a different theme.
That's why Kiara never really clicked with her Tokusatsu/warrior aspect and instead focused on her KFP manager aspect.

>> No.57269658

>>57268400
Do you want to be one?

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>> No.57269732

>>57269372
I don't think I even got any response like that, unless it's a new thing.

>> No.57269762

>>57254958
We gotta remove them, or add a symbol to indicate their changed status.

>> No.57269763

>>57262540
As an example, Gura said pre-debut that she wanted ahoge but was turned down. Pretty sure at this point she could close to whatever she wanted. Other examples for more tenured members being Ina's newest outfit with the short hair which she made sound like is close to her actual appearance. Or Kiara specifically finding an artist to make her new JRPG outfit.

>> No.57269780

>>57269372
Aw heck :( You still gained the experience of applying though! And if you use it as fuel to improve yourself, keep streaming, and make more things, it's never wasted time.

>> No.57269793

I miss Magni. Why couldn't he just stay.

>> No.57269796

>>57269421
I was initially angry at them (Magni and Vesper), but now I've realized the situation isn't as black and white as I'd thought. After all, Magni had already planned out his schedule and was in charge of the whole anniversary. A simple burnout would have not caused a sudden suspension then graduation...

>> No.57269864

>Altare changed the podcast name from MANA to NTR because he knew they'd be graduating

i gotta get into stars so i can heal this boy

>> No.57269883

>>57269695
The golden age

>> No.57269937

>>57269465
I'm pretty sure all of Stars gen1 was scouted.

>> No.57269955

>>57269796
took you this long to realize that there's more to why two boys that worked for months on new models/assets and had streams planned for the future would suddenly dip out of nowhere?

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>>57269793
Have you listened to Copium today yet, my little mag? It's so close to 250k views!

>> No.57270048

>>57268082
Pretty sure the girls have meetings as well but they just don't bring it up as frequently. When Ina went on her hiatus a few months ago she said something about "meetings at ungodly hours" for reasons her sleep schedule was fucked.

>> No.57270075

>>57269421
My rrat is that management cancelled the projects in progress (possibly caused by Tachibana) for the anniversary and Magni demanded a refund from Cover to cover the money that was wasted. Cover rejected his demands, so Magni got mad and walked out. I guess Vesper tried to stand up for his best friend in the company and vowed that he would also walk out if they didn't reimburse Magni, but Cover held firm so they left together. The extended hiatus was for negotiations to take place, which ultimately fell through.

>> No.57270129

>>57269796
>>57269955
Lots of people were angry because of the sudden nature of the graduation, but now that the initial shock and other stages of grief have subsided, coupled with other stories and statements about what was planned, the bigger picture is becoming more clear.

But yes, to put it simply: There's little indication that Magni and Vesper just wanted out because of numbers or burnout. We likely won't ever get a full story from official sources, but there's still enough out there to suggest disagreements between talent and management.

>> No.57270229

>>57269937
Aruran and Rikka were scouted, but Miyabi and Izuru applied on their own.

>> No.57270305

>>57270075
That's a good rrat, I must say. I dunno about refunds, though I also don't know how much would have come out of pocket or if Cover reimburses talent for their projects.

I think that if/when we learn more about Tachibana's fuckups, we'll also have another piece of the story, even if it's just to say that he had nothing to do with MagNoir's graduation at all.

>> No.57270391

>>57270075
this makes more sense than them simply just walking out because theyre evil or w/e. whatever it is, the situation isnt black and white and was probably only unique to those two.

>> No.57270494

You have just been given an unlimited budget (works) to produce either a 13 or 25 episode HoloTempus anime based on the events of their first year.
What events do you adapt?
assume interested parties are watching the thread so be respectful

>> No.57270576

>>57269864
no, he changed it because he gave up on the idea of having a fixed cast because they were having issue scheduling it, specially when one of the members sent on 4 months straight of either screwing the recordings or not being able to record due to suspension or autism

>> No.57270620

>>57270494
I would do a prequel to expand the lore or something like that

>> No.57270753

>>57270494
HQ and VG debuts, HQ Raft collabs, Dungeons and Dragons, Judge Magni, Kintama Bros, Team Snakebite, Vesper's interviews, probably something with Minecraft and Rust

>> No.57270831

>>57270494
The 12th of 13 episodes ends with a cut-in that says "Vesper and Magni died on the way back to their home planet"

>> No.57270881

>>57264317
It's California. You can be making 100k and still cant afford to move out.

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>>57270494
Judge Magni. The entire Tempantsu thing. Or John Maggington's cuck saga from getting cheated on by his wife, losing his job as a WWE announcer and then being forced to listen to Cletus the Magmite getting murdered live on air by Magmo. Also call me a faggot but I'd like the anime to dive into lore shit. Gimme shonen fights and Phantom being a sinister, fat little demon dog.

>> No.57271124

>>57270494
The wild west TTRPG

>> No.57271188

>>57270494
Part of an episode has to be Vesper trying to sneak in a few twitter spaces during the Christmas family gathering

>> No.57271198

>>57270494
Vesper dies, comes back as vesper blanc, dies again

>> No.57271241

>>57264317
There's a big difference between sharing a house's rent and living by yourself. Bettel moved because he's sharing the house with his brother, as does Shinri currently, but I think Shinri was looking for something to himself since he can't do handcam streams or karaoke while there's other people in the house

>> No.57271289

>>57271241
Shinri should move in with Bettel

>> No.57271367

>>57271241 (Me)
*shinri also shares the rent with other people, didn't mean it was also with his brother

>> No.57271423

>>57271124
Honestly, the whole Kronii/Vesper dynamic is worth adapting and/or animating.

>> No.57271473

why no ntr this week

>> No.57271488

>>57271289
I'm sure they talked about it and decided it wasn't viable for whatever reasons.

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>>57270494
LORE SHIT I WANT LOREEEE LORE LOREEEEEE AAAAAAAAAHHHHH I WANT TO SEE AXEL AT THE COLISEUM OR WHATEVER THE FUCK HAPPENED TO HAKA AND SHINRI AND MADE THEIR HANDS CURSED. I WANT TO SEE THEM GO IN SILLY ADVENTURES. FLAYS INFINITE DEATHS. PHANTOM. MYSTERY NIGGA.

>> No.57271497

>>57270494
judge magni, wheel of tempus, season 1 zomboid, with magni and vesper edited out using ai technology

>> No.57271539

>>57271473
because Altare feels more like vanilla this week

>> No.57271599

>>57271473
technical problems

>> No.57271727
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>>57270494
I would make it 25 episodes long, but make it lore based because making an adaptation of behind-the-scenes would feel too intrusive and disingenuous.

>First episode is Altare starting the guild, foreshadows the fifth member and Altare and Magni's connection beforehand. By episode three the four of them are official established
>Next nine episodes would focus on their first adventure and be its own arc: I can't really make something up on the spot but this would mostly be something to establish their powers, goals, and the world of Elysium. Some hints of Magni being shadier than he lets on are sprinkled here and there.
>Also there would be cooking scenes in during their camp scenes because no RPG-based anime is without them. They'd have amazing budget so they could be reposted as GIFs everywhere
>Final episode would be the final stretch of the arc, where they finally confront the big boss. Then, it's revealed that Magni betrayed them to the main antagonist, but in a sudden change of heart, sacrifices himself to keep the guild alive. The remaining three grieve for him until he returns unharmed, not realizing he's a tofu clone
>Next arc, which would be 13 episodes, would introduce Vanguard.
>I lost steam to write the rest because I haven't caught up with VG if I'm being honest

>> No.57271738

>>57270494
Zomboid arc

>> No.57271832

>>57271473
Altare's audio didn't fully record
I'm bummed, I was looking forward to Nocturnal as a guest

>> No.57271843

>>57271727
>Jeffrey foreshadowed from episode one
kino

>> No.57271897

>>57255292
Schizos targetting Bettel for what? They all know he'll follow suit if management offered him the same contract as Magnoir or if his numbers stagnate. And this is not factoring NotMagni grooming him to be a part of his twitch circle

>> No.57272004

>>57255292
January 13th, 18:23 PST.

>> No.57272024

I haven't seen the /manstars/ manager around for a while, so just a heads up: the /vt/ League 5 is starting in a few days.

Our group consists of /mogu/, /nasfaqg/ and /lia/.
Our games will be as follow:
>/mogu/ vs /manstars
09/01 - 2:20PM PT _ 5:20PM ET
>/manstars/ vs /lia/
09/03 - 3:00PM PT _ 6:00PM ET
>/nasfaqg/ vs /mastars/
09/10 - 9:00AM PT _ 12:00PM ET

>> No.57272170

>>57270494
Final episode is Jap killing Magni and Vesper and hiding their corpses to make it look like they ran off and abandoned the guild

>> No.57272337

>>57272170
nah, the last episode is magnoir eloping and magni giving birth to an oddly green eyed buttbaby

>> No.57272381

>>57272170
Kino

>> No.57272401

Axel is gonna embarrass himself with his kanji knowledge
https://twitter.com/axelsyrios/status/1696371198068965819

>> No.57272429

>>57271473
Altare jinxed himself by being optimistic for the future, now the universe is reminding him of his sadboy status

>> No.57272450

In conclusion, Magni Dezmond was gay and Vesper Noir was black.

>> No.57272592

>>57272401
EN vtuber by the way

>> No.57272660

>>57272024
Naisu

>> No.57272747

>>57272429
KEK

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>> No.57273075
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flaytel love! sukidayo~ ^o^

>> No.57273167

Grim reminder that Hakkitos are the most powerful race known the man

>> No.57273188

>>57273075
Keep giving him what he wants Flayon, we mustn't lose Bettel

>> No.57273379

>>57273022
Must cherish the cute birb

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>>57273167
HUH?

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>>57273188
true and based

>> No.57274496

Shotare hugs and head pats for winning on Temma's course!

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izuru…

>> No.57275344

>>57275120
izuru isn't a cheap whore

>> No.57276134

Are you guys still planning on having a funeral for Mr "Most likely to betray the guild" on the 31st

>> No.57276172

5 days? past, still feel sad

>> No.57276239

>>57276134
>>57276172
>really fast new IP
too slow over in /catalog/?

>> No.57276319

Good night MANS

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>>57276319
Sweet dreams anon!

>> No.57277032

>>57272450
Truly the niggerfaggots of tempus

>> No.57277037

>>57276134
The date holds really no meaning

>> No.57277262

>>57276239
I’ve been here all along

>> No.57277302

>>57277037
I see. Thanks for answering, I was just curious since I could have sworn it was brought up at some point.

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I hate the magic select tool. Is there a better alternative?

>> No.57277360

>>57276134
I hope so only so I can desecrate their graves

>> No.57277437
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>>57276134
Yes, so I can forget them as soon as the clock hits 12:00 AM on September 1st

>> No.57277505

>>57277322
manually selecting and erasing

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>>57277437
I'm not ready to let this fucker go just that soon, I hope anons don't mind me using the images I have of him

>> No.57278016

>>57276134
If they're not gonna put any effort into their graduation then why should I. Lazy whores until the very end.

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>>57276134
As retarded as it sounds I'd like there to be a proper sendoff for Magnoir, even if they or management couldn't be assed to do it themselves.

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>>57276134
If 4milks-san hosts it then hell yeah, I'd go to his dumb funeral

>> No.57278510

>>57278424
WTF KEK

>> No.57278559

>>57278424
I feel bad for her, hope the pain let's go soon

>> No.57278877

>>57277505
Nahone~

>> No.57278916

>>57278424
She's so fucking funny...

>> No.57279141

>>57255292
>target for the schizos
more like target for Jap san

>> No.57279275

>>57258816
Kys
>>57271897
MORON kys
>>57272004
Kys
>>57279141
Target for you to kys

>> No.57279513

>>57279275
Based

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>>57280055
>We will never see Vesper go through redemption arc and finally do an off collab with Axel
It hurts...everything hurts...this is the worst timeline, why are we here...

>> No.57280552

>>57280428
I was really looking forwards to four man hq offcollab too

>> No.57280791

HQ memory collab...

>> No.57280896

>>57280791
Axel organizing creative group collabs never again

>> No.57281379

>>57280896
Can't host a HQ collab anymore when 1/2 of HQ is gone kek

>> No.57281596

Can we get some more Tempus anime ideas instead of time looping?
I wanna see some more ideas

>> No.57281732

>>57281596
>vanguard only shows up for season two

>> No.57282025
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is it really impossible for hakka to have a spic karaoke? he sang a few last one but he always said that it would be difficult
SUAVAMENTE

>> No.57282142

>>57282025
you can only sing so many mariachi songs before they get stale

>> No.57282148

>>57282025
something about perms i guess

>> No.57282183

>>57282025
Might be the same reason ID can't do ID songs karaoke: copyright fuckery

>> No.57282201

>>57278559
she has already moved onto orc, she is fine

>> No.57282244

>>57282148
Man looks like I’m glad I didn’t get picked up for VG because I was gonna try to hide being able to speak spic then surprise everyone with a full spic karaoke playlist in fluent spanish but as a plain white boy kek

>> No.57282373

The reality of them never coming back is finally setting in, I'll miss them so much

>> No.57282448

>>57280428
>>57282373
>>57277653
>>57276134

Fuck off go back to your green cesspit

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good day /MANS/

>> No.57282482

>>57282201
no i didnt! kek

>> No.57282508

>>57282448
Fuck off catalog shitter

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>>57282481
G'day to you, friend.

>> No.57282559

>>57282448
Its not like they are talking about RM shit, just let them grieve for a bit. You look like an asshole.

>> No.57282570

>>57282508
>Vesmag fag having the gall to call anyone else catalog shitter
kill yourself in the worst way possible

>> No.57282599

>>57282482
someone has a really similar style to you then, hope you are feeling better is there a reason you haven't moved, they were your oshis, right? just curious

>> No.57282606

>>57282481
please eat a big breakfast of more than 100calories

>> No.57282622

>>57282570
>exposed
>cries out in pain as he starts pissing and shitting everywhere
You aren’t fooling anyone

>> No.57282643
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57282643

>>57282606
ogey

>> No.57282645

>>57282570
>Vesmag

>> No.57282654

>>57282142
I think spics sing more genres than just mariachi.

>> No.57282746
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57282746

>>57282599
i'll be ok!

its too soon for me, im so attached to keyfabe its hard to let go. it hasnt been even a week and im still processing. watching PLs only reminds me of what was lost. Maybe i'll try in a few weeks/months

its why i wanted a funeral so the feelings will be laid to rest ahahh


thank you anon!

>> No.57282773

i have seen at least a couple of fujos deciding to cope by thinking that magnoir don't adventure with the boys anymore but still hang around the guild. i kinda like that idea, i don't wanna just kill them

>> No.57282931

>>57282654
Obviously kek. And anon doesn't know shit, mariachi never gets boring. I need him to sing more spanish rock... Rata Blanca was so fucking glorious.

>> No.57282959

>>57282746
i feel that about kayfabe! watching them hurts a lot at the moment. i guess a proper goodbye would have made a lot of people feel better, now we had only a week until they are officially gone, feels really sudden to those of us who believed they were coming back. hugs and chus~

>> No.57282974

>>57282025
I remember him mentioning that they just didn't have perms for many spanish songs

>> No.57283373
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57283373

this song really sucks huh... no one even sang it in a karaoke, the track was never released(?) and now never will

>> No.57283427

>>57282025
the app they use for karaoke, karafun, you can suggest songs or like the suggestion if the song is unavailable in the catalog, has anyone ever tried that? i assume the more likes the more likely the song gets added if they get the license, maybe we could work together and suggest the same spic songs to raise the chances of a full spic karaoke

>> No.57283775

graduate regis altare

>> No.57284160

Graduate rest of HQ and make them create a new group with a fantasy kayfabe

>> No.57284212 [SPOILER] 
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57284212

the fate of all magmites

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