StarsEN

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a Future to HoloStarsEN?
Did Mangi and Vesper successfully destroy the branch?
There's no way Cover can do new hires without being worried that they'll use the company for fame and bail.

[Anonymous No.]

>yet another niji deflection thread

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Ame will save them

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>>57073973
>Did Mangi and Vesper successfully destroy the branch?
Not completely but if Bettel leaves then they honestly should just cut their losses, give the existing homos a generous severance package and call it a day.

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>>57073973
bettel has made thousands and thousands of minni from supers alone each month (30k during his birthday month which obviously is mogged by hololive but not too shabby regardless). as long as there is money to be made after breaking even, there is business to be made.

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>>57073973
>Is there a Future to HoloStarsEN?
Tempus3 is still coming
>Did Mangi and Vesper successfully destroy the branch?
There was and still is nothing to destroy
>There's no way Cover can do new hires without being worried that they'll use the company for fame and bail.
Thats every gen regardless of branch

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>>57073973
I'd guess there is a future because there are plenty of dudes who would volunteer for it, technically. It's just, are those guys gonna be talented or just randos looking to do a Vox/Hex and go full-in on BFE grift. I'd guess it'd be a mix of those and low tier scrubs.

[Anonymous No.]

Fire hakka and Axel, then i will allow your existence

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>>57073973

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>>57073973
If Bettel leaves then no

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>>57073973
>Is there a Future to HoloStarsEN?
no, with current idol concept. They will be always shitter. What was the last popular flesh boyband? One Direction?. Who asked for this western virtual male idol group?
The only way they can be popular is change the concept to streamer group and throw that idol shit out of the window, that only works for women group. There's a reason why the most popular StarsEN member activity was far from idol shit.
If Yagoo insists to make a male idol group, he should open StarsKR
>fame and bail
do you fags never worked a serious job? people moving from one company to another is common

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>>57073973
It's up to Holostars fans to save them. Sisters you're their only hope.

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>>57075096
Actually there is 0 appeal in joining stars aside from the possibility of getting close to the girls.
Those who seriously want to do profit should go niji.

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>>57073973
dont care not CGDCT

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>>57073973
Vesper and Magni did more damage to the homofags brand than any anti could have ever dreamed to do

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii killed the branch by going all out war with twitter statements

[Anonymous No.]

Without Magni Magged memes and Vesper's debut plastic ball story, there would be no Tempus. Cover fucked up. Whether it be a contract dispute or riding Magni and Vesper's ass too hard about things they wanted to do and the bullshit about perms.

This also confirms that Vesper's suspension was absolutely about him going off an some herbivore manager over XCOM.

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>>57073973
>There's no way Cover can do new hires without being worried that they'll use the company for fame and bail.
you've never seen the JP branch huh lol

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I might apply for a third time in case they changed their minds and are now ok with hiring a nobody with no numbers to his name that knows how to boot up OBS and that wants to stream. StarsEN isn't the most glamorous and successful but it sure beats my current shitty normal job so I may as well shoot my shot. The money might not be as good as what the niji dudes get but I prefer a smaller audience and a relatively stable income and generally keep a low profile while still being semi-recognizable. I dunno, I like that a lot better than being a fucking faggot ass niji drama dude with dildos up his urethra. Fuck that shit.

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>>57073973
If they do like tempus 2 and stay on their line I think there's market for it, both holofags and holostars fans don't care much about collabs between the branches and know it causes more drama than it's worth, so the answer is each stay on their lane and btfo the homobeggars

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>>57077555
I think inter branch collabs could work, but you've got to be careful about it like Oga, Roberu and Axel. it seems like they dont push for those types of collabs but rather just leave an offer on the table

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>>57075826
I'd do it just because I genuinely like Holostars (JP), though I imagine I'm in the minority of minorities.

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>>57073973
i would have liked an apology about the anniversary from them at least.
i dont thin they ever got to sell their merch nor think they will.
Also the holostar branch cover having to be delayed.

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Shit, I am about to say something serious in /here/

Long story short, if the product you offer isn't superior to what it competes against in some way, it has no reason to exist. In what way is Holostars EN superior to... anything?
No seriously... tell me one single thing StarsEN is better at... just one.

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>>57076875
I remember you Pizza-kun poster. You should probably be applying on a cooldown though, not only now just now applying for a third time. They seem to like that kind of thing if you can follow their rule of not applying for a month after your last one.

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>>57074798
Honestly this. The other's can't hold their own if Bettel decides to jump ship. Unless they decide to gamble for a 3rd gen and hope they have enough charisma to hold the whole branch afloat.

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>>57078868
idol shit for EN males.

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>>57078424
>Stay on their lane
Hakka stay on his lane ?

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>>57079224
idk i don't watch him

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>>57079224
hakka hasnt collabed with any of the En girls
only onllie i belive.

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>>57079404
And somehow shoved his ass on towa’s album

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>>57078868
Holostars is just a male group but not good at anything
by Astelleda

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>>57079224
Nobody cares about ID desu

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>>57073973
>Is there a Future to HoloStarsEN?
Nope.
>Did Mangi and Vesper successfully destroy the branch?
Yup.

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>>57079731
is towa. not like is unicorn safeheaven
also it was a cover not a direct collab stream.

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Bettel will leave in another 6 months so unless the branch has an incline or Tempus 3 brings in new blood before then the whole thing is just going to keep shitting the bed.

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>>57074845
he'll leave and make even more.. certain orc is already have more numbers than his usual streams.

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>>57079731
It was a great cover though.

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>>57078868
>it has no reason to exist
anya has a right to exist

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>>57080276
Unless bettel himself see a decline in his SC i don’t think he’ll leave.

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>>57076875
>I might apply for a third time in case they changed their minds and are now ok with hiring a nobody with no numbers to his name that knows how to boot up OBS and that wants to stream.
Why didn't you just start a 2view channel between last year and now?

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>>57080417
that orca whil be at 1/5 of thise numebrs in the upcoming months.
Magni was a 1-2k ccv and his rm is a 3view again.
He will be better than when he started as indie but he will never achive anything huge again.

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>>57078868
Consistently entertaining streams compared to the other hololive EN streams around the same time.

Hakka/Bettel have good metal covers, and some utaite material as well, but they compete with Bae and holoJP with this so its not an improvement.

Interesting fun perm requests; Neko para catboy paradise in particular was a fun one requested by Flay.

The collabs are extremely peak. Best Hololive EN marioparty collabs were with the boys. Pummel party with tempus are phenomenal.

Sense of unity among the remaining boys. Go look at 1st EN2 anni and see how little energy there is outside Bae/Irys; I like each of EN2 on their own for sure but they didn't feel like a closeknit gen.

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If bettel leaves it might truly be over. Arguably Vesper and magni were the face of the franchise here and mightve just severely fucked over their growth. Vespies basically astroturfed altare into being the most hated too.

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>>57080690
We'll see in a month after Vesper 2's redebut buff runs out. If Orcman is dramatically dwarfing what he was getting before he joined holostars, bettel will probably have no reason to just stick around giving the company a cut if he thinks he can go it alone.

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>>57080823
The orc was streaming to 15 people max back in 2021, it was literally his hobby on weekends before he had to go back to be a filthy wagie at some company. 3600 on youtube and 4300 on twitch is literally 100 times the CCV he had before joining holostars EN.

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>>57080823
Magni rm's YT vid are great numberwise. He's the content creator Cover needed. Cover only need to loosen the leash on their strict rules for the boys, no one wants to watch seiso boys.
If i want to watch seiso boys, i'll watch politician campaign/rally

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>>57078868
I know it's been said a million and one times but the one thing males can provide that females can't is the bro experience. It's why I will keep bringing it up again and again
>but just go to male fleshies for that
3DPD females and vtuber females can both provide ASMR.
3DPD females and vtuber females can both provide GFE.
3DPD females and vtuber females can both provide coomer content.
So why can't bro experiences be provided on both sides too? The vtubers would be more of a weeb bro experience compared to fleshtubers.

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>>57073973
If Bettel leaves, Which it looks like he might, its unironically over for HolostarsEN.

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>>57078868
>if the product you offer isn't superior to what it competes against in some way, it has no reason to exist
What are you superior to? you have no right to exist

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>>57075659
>What was the last popular flesh boyband?
Brockhampton

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>>57085612
Yeah for like one year before one retard fucked it up lmao.

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>>57084974
he pulls one of those once every month for magni he dpends on streams to survive just like how he used magni just to keep funneling into roomate work.
This is orcs first stream and he will delcine let not fool ourselves.No xcom streams will save him from that.
>no one wants to watch seiso boys.
is theonly thingthat madethemdifferent being unhinged or a slut gets old fast.

[Anonymous No.]

I will save holostars.

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>>57051433
The ratio is bigger

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>>57074798
Pretty much
It'd be the same as roberu/astel leaving jp homos, only a slow death left for the branch

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>>57073973
>3D still happening
>new outfits still happening
>talents are still working on original music
>talents are still practicing with the goal of preforming on stage in mind
>remaining talents still stream regularly and ship projects and plan events together
Holostars EN will survive, all that's going to happen in the future is that Cover will prioritize hiring performers over trend chasers.

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>>57078868
Tempus does a lot better than a lot of indies and some corpos like phase and idol. How's that for competitive.

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>>57074965
>Tempus3 is still coming
Cover will definitely rush out Tempus 3, release the 3D models for the first two gens by spring, and include Tempus in the next HoloEN concert. Management knows that firing 2 Holostars talents is a bad look for the EN branch so they are going to push unity even further in 2024.

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>>57086314
yes, my bet is he'll be a 700-1k streamer, if he can get the same donation, he'll be fine, also their merch sales was bad, so he wont miss that much money compared to he get from Hololive

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>>57084974
>He's the content creator Cover needed.
you're retarded, and his shit is only doing numbers because hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
StarsJP has survived worse.

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>>57087944
because Yagoo still fully controlled Hololive back then, they better hope Yagoo buyback the share, or at least wont do any small IPO anymore, shareholders will demand to kick underperformed talent, and Stars will be the first to leave

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>>57082050
he will do better as the content will be more unhinged and he can play whatever he wants

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>>57080823
they are winning. fanbase doesn't give a fuck ab

[Anonymous No.]

They failed because they gave the men the same business model as the women.
"Just be quirky and cute and you'll get views."
Doesn't fucking work that way for men.

If you're a female streamer, you don't have to do anything special, but you have to BE the ideal.
As soon as you do something that taints you on a personal level, your fans are gone. Pretty sure the recent fiascos have proven that, and historically the previous fiascos have as well.

If you're a male streamer, no one cares who the fuck you are. You have to DO something special. Play the guitar. Sing. Magic. Comedy. Doesn't fucking matter. You have to push content that isn't about you personally and you have to be competitive doing it. No one gives a shit otherwise.

Menhera """men""" was never a working business model.

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>>57089059
Every chuuba that goes away from corps don't do that...

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>>57075826
Hell no, I don't want to be at Enna and Elira's mercy. I'd much rather have bros and broette Flayon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57078868
Vesper absolutely slammed any NijiEN male

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck magni and vesper, i will join stars and show what real bros are, i will not bother the girls, i will stay on my own corner and incline.

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>>57088443
this implies that the stars are loosing money, which sure in the case of magni and vesper you could have a point with the new models going to waste, but the rest of the stars are still profitable, even if not as much as the girls

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With Vesper and Magni in holostars I was looking at a 1.5 out of 8 for members I could see myself hanging with if I ever got in. With them gone there's nobody in tempus that I could imagine being comfortable doing collabs with, and flayon especially is toeing the line of what I never wanted to see in holostars. At least with Vesper we could shoot the shit about diablo 2 and he might actually care to talk about OG xcom or my autismy simulator games.

Not that I'd ever get in.

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>>57084974
>no one wants to watch seiso boys.
>If i want to watch seiso boys, i'll watch politician campaign/rally
why don't you fucking watch nijien homos then? why do you want to rot hololive inside out?

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>>57079731
>hakka
anyone who covers towa's songs is a friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>57087076
This is the best take because it's true. Holo JP would crumble to nothing if those two left, Bettel is the last one standing in Homo EN

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>>57089772
but he does. and he will and you will rike it.

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>>57080500
you're right, this is pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

>>57090107
ganbare idolbro

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>>57080417
that's because people are watching in the hopes that he spills juicy drama
it'll regress back to a natural mean like all things do

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>>57091118
If we judged from SC alone, i'm pretty sure they ranging from making little money to even loss in financial chart (except Bettel), also Cover pay monthly salary, if they cant even make more money than their salary, that's a red flag
>model
The model commisioned long ago before they decided to leave, even Coco debuted a new outfit after she announced her graduation

>>57091526
Because i'm not a fujos, retard. Also they should totally separate the boys from the girls, since the concept i propose already opposite of each other

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>>57073973
No.
Vesper was the only good member of that shit, now there's literally not a single reason to watch them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
ACCELERATE

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>>57074724
But only if they improve themselves.

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>>57093068
maybe but SCs aren't the only thing they're working from, there's memberships, ad rev, merch and even con appearances as there was a recent case with Altare where he made 4 figures in total revenue in the few minutes it took for meet and greet tickets to sell out (I don't remember the exact numbers it was over a week ago and I am not digging that up), I'm not going to say they're covers biggest income or that there is "popular demand" bullshit but there's enough evidence to say they're certainly in the green and there is still a market for them

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>>57080276
I may be proven wrong in the near future, but for now he doesn't really have a reason to leave. He can earn some decent side income as Bettel while his roommate obtains donations from Bettel's biggest paypigs without Cover taking a cut.

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>>57094276
That and bettel is pretty much in a position to take the #1 spot. There's no point in giving that up.

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>>57075826
Its hard to say you'll be making much money in NijiEN anyway. Viewership is on the way down, its just a matter of which environment you'd feel safer being in.

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>>57075826
There really is no point in getting close to the girls because they're just going to throw you under the bus. I think holostars is basically there for males who just want to get an in with the ""idol"" and vtubing scene on a bigger scale.
I say ""idol"" because the fans certainly do not treat them like idols.

[Anonymous No.]

There is no future they should close Holostars

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>>57077555
And not the unicorns? How convenient...

[Anonymous No.]

>>57094276
>>57094824

he'll leave. too much work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57096444
Not really. He's basically in the same position as fuwamoco. He just has to exist in order to succeed. There's no magni or vesper to compete with any more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57087076
Astel should definetly go neoporte

[Anonymous No.]

>>57089326
>If you're a male streamer, no one cares who the fuck you are. You have to DO something special.
Clearly you haven't watched many male streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
Holo should drop their stupid nepotism hires and get some actually talented riggers (and in some cases artists) instead of the ones they always use that come out bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57090107
The Shinri route? Good luck bro.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem with Western males in vtubing is that they are all homosexual in someone. Literally, and this is someone who used to watch streams everyone there would fuck other men. Only exception is Axel who is honestly chill. Altare may not be homosexual but he is for the cause. You can't expect these types. You can't expect anything from these people who roll in degeneracy and even be an idol. Also they act like bitches

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>>57073973
Holostars needed a male on the same tier as Gura or Fuwamoco. Problem is the guys were just unremarkable and had boring models. They need to find some fucking ugly ass dudes being held back by their looks who want to hide their flesh and are fucking amazing at something like the guitar.

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>>57075096
I would literally just go to get paid to play my particular autist games, I am under no illusion that anybody on the female EN would *want* to interact with my ass. Clock in, clock out, maybe collab with one of the other males every few odd weeks.

Why do you think we almost never see NBA players play WNBA players?

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>>57098850
I could, I guess, do educational streams but not on anything the hololive audience WANTS to listen to

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>>57073973
Hire me. I will play TF2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57099760
Top 3 mercs?

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>>57100030
Soldier, Med, and Demo. Heavy is close to Demo though.

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>>57099480
I would watch an educator male vtuber, like someone who plays history games and goes into autistic detail about everything in the game. Problem is I don't think Cover would want to risk the problems of touching on real world topics. If you were a music champ and wanted to teach viewers how to play an instrument I would watch that too.

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>>57099760
Sorry, bro, I'm already taking the TF2 slot. Unless...the legendary TF2 StarsEN link up?

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>>57100264
It...probably won't be games. Who the fuck wants to sit through 70 minutes on academic factionalism in 1600s Korea?

NOBODY, THAT'S WHO, but that's a huge portion of the book I'm currently picking away at.

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>>57100349
Sounds like a plan.

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>>57100443
for me it is games but who's going to want to sit through 6 hours of autismcore military simulators

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>>57091900
>holoJP would crumble to nothing if those two left
Lmao, literally no one gives a shit about those two, even if they are the “most popular holostars”, they still have pretty mediocre viewership compared to the hologirls. HomoJP might take a hit but hololive JP as a whole would be entirely unaffected

[Anonymous No.]

>>57100264
Would you actually? Would you watch all the streams they put out?

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>>57073973
What I find funny about Vesper is he got that redesign and then fucked off right after, knowing he wasn't going to sign their contracts and screwed them over purposefully and knowingly like a child. Even worse he got Pako as his artist, who was practically like a grieving father only to get a second child who immediately killed himself out of petulant spite.
At the very least you can't accuse him of being a virgin or unfaithful though, he's the biggest cunt I've ever seen and it's obviously the only one he ever touches regularly.

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>>57100118
Pretty based.

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>>57101096
Yeah I'm the kind of autismo who enjoys watching Victoria 2, EU4, and CK2 streams by small channels. Closest I've come to that genre for vtubers is Lady Saffron, although she isn't super historically knowledgeable. A female vtuber that knew her shit about history and played history games would be ideal, but a brotuber like that would get my views.

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>>57073973
As things currently stand, no, there's no future for Holostars. The strategy being used for them (cram them repeatedly together with Hololive) hasn't worked. More collabs with Hololive aren't going to help Holostars and just runs the risk of shrinking Hololive views instead.

They need to figure out a new strategy that works and stop trying to force the proverbial square peg into the round hole.

>>57088443
Yagoo has shown willingness to stand up to the shareholders, so I doubt shareholder pressure to get rid of Holostars, should it ever happen, would amount to much.

The threat to Holostars is if Yagoo himself decides the unit can't be saved and gives up on them.

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>>57102411
>A female vtuber that knew her shit about history and played history games would be ideal
Pretty sure that's this one, I think she teaches history in a college or something but I'm not concrete on that one.
https://www.twitch.tv/clioaite

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>>57102992
>https://www.twitch.tv/clioaite
Thanks bro I'll check her out after splash

[Anonymous No.]

>>57103399
No problem bro. Also I found this in her about faq so I did remember correctly.

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>>57102642
that's what i said, Stars better hope he wont sell more of his shares, because that means less vote power for him.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok here is how you fix holostars

>get someone e who is good at drawing men, the current designs are pretty bad
>create 4 characters based on the big archetypes: shota, big guy that makes you feel safe, prince who fucks hard, nervous wreck
>here they are shown by kaoru mori to illustrate the point
>go all in the boyfriend experience, don' t even try to appeal to men
>the only women should be the viewers, the sister and mother of the boy. No female collabs.

A lot can be done with male vtubers, not even nijisanji is going after the lonely women audience as hard as they could.

[Anonymous No.]

Ya know, the SP fix has shown the company CAN actually be decent to their fans. But what the fuck is disappearing 2 members without even letting them say goodbye.
StarsEN needs to give them a short term agreement to do a proper graduation event. Even if they can't reach a longer term business agreement this is no way to end things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57108875
>not even nijisanji is going after the lonely women audience as hard as they could.
is this your first week watching vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57074798
I don't even know which of them Bettel is, but I hope the guy will make the move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57074724
she was part of the problem

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>>57108875
The entire concept of male vtubers is broken on a fundamental level. You can't fix it.
>go all in the boyfriend experience
Automatic fail. That would mostly just attract homosexuals and trannies. The few women it'd attract would be bouncing off the walls insane. The fanbase would end up being too crazy to deal with.

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>>57101684
That's the most frustrating part about the whole ordeal. Vesper and Magni knew full well what they were doing when they decided not to renew their contracts, they were probably hoping to shake down Cover due to sunken costs and get more from their contract than they were remotely entitled to. At least it failed, probably thanks to HoloAdvent and now Splash Party confirming they werent worth shit.

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>>57111743
>The entire concept of male vtubers is broken on a fundamental level. You can't fix it.
>go all in the boyfriend experience
>Automatic fail. That would mostly just attract homosexuals and trannies. The few women it'd attract would be bouncing off the walls insane. The fanbase would end up being too crazy to deal with.
You make this sound as if the bitches that do GFE don't also have rabid male fanbases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
Uh yeah? They're not Hololive so what's the problem with it? They can't get high numbers either. They're just doing their own thing ATM which is pretty good all things considered. You should be happy that they don't collab with the girls anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57111743
>That would mostly just attract homosexuals and trannies.
There really aren't that many gay and trannies people out there, stop letting them live rent free in your head.

>few women
Wrong. The drama cds for women market is huge, and romance books are what keeps the book industry alive, just look up at what sells.
There are a lot of lonely women out there, you just don't realize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57112738
'Misery' isn't a farfetched tale that has no basis in reality and could never happen. Going balls deep into BFE for women will lead to the most psychotic, schizophrenic, dangerous audience you could cultivate.

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>>57108875
>>go all in the boyfriend experience, don' t even try to appeal to men
>Just give up half the population bro
That's not to mention there's far fewer female yume/unicorn than there are male ones.
>>the only women should be the viewers, the sister and mother of the boy. No female collabs.
Another terrible idea. Women like popular men, they want a woman that other women want but at the same time they want that guy to be ONLY for them. That's why a guy's popularity actually goes UP when he has a girlfriend. Idols are perfect for this because they have a "No dating" rule. The only problem is finding a popular guy that at the same time isn't a whore and can behave properly around or talking about other women, very fucking hard especially with current male vtubers.
What you're describing is something close to Vox, and everyone can see what happened to him.
>Hanako
Good choice though.
>>57111743
>The entire concept of male vtubers is broken on a fundamental level. You can't fix it.
It isn't. It just requires a very delicate and specific balance that would be so hard to attain it's near impossible. You'd effectively need something like the Jonas brothers or Bieber but presented in a way that doesn't make men physically repulsed by them. It can be done but it's like asking for snow in Egypt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57098850
>on the same tier as Gura
So mediocre? They have plenty of mediocre members

[Anonymous No.]

>>57113089
Yeah yeah, as if men are any better.

>>57113633
>>>Just give up half the population bro
Yes. You can't pander to men and women with a male vtuber in the same way you can with a female vtuber, and even female vtuber are predominantly for men.
There is this idea that you need to appeal to both genders when female vtubers shows the opposite.

>Women like popular men, they want a woman that other women want but at the same time they want that guy to be ONLY for them.
You can do it with kayfabe. This isn't even that true, a lot of popular fictional men are awkward guy the heroine can fix (see: sono bisque doll).
Even when the guy is popular and had past girlfriends, you never bring them up unless you need them for drama. But that's not the point.
The point is, no female collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57087203
lmao the cope from sisters, advent has ignored the fuck out of holostars and your reaction to that is
>oh wow, i guess more stars are coming

[Anonymous No.]

>>57096186
Because it doesn’t work and just pisses people off. Most of the time, whenever fanbases for males and females meet, one pushes the other out. Most people prefer looking at anime characters that match the gender they want to fuck, how surprising. If it’s possible to have a sustainable vtubing corpo where males and females coexist and it doesn’t turn into a shitfest of gender favoritism, then it’ll be much easier to build that brand from scratch than try to hijack an existing one and change its meaning.
Instead of trying the impossible, just accept that most of us aren’t unicorns, some of us are ok with an occasional male collab, and that some people watch vtubers because it feels different when it’s a hot anime character of the gender they want to fuck.
EN vtubing is not so big that you can’t get big or at least self-sustaining with a decent business model and a CEO who isn’t a retard. It’s much more likely to work than trying to ruin HoloEN. Half the reason Tempus is struggling so much is because its reputation got ruined by people like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57115947
> Half the reason Tempus is struggling so much is because its reputation got ruined by people like you.
Hard agree. Homobegarrs soured the mood for the boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57108875
>4 characters based on the big archetypes: shota, big guy that makes you feel safe, prince who fucks hard, nervous wreck
...that's literally vanguard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57100264
>>57100443
I would, too. Problem for me is, when I’m looking for content on my non-weeb interests, I care ONLY about the content. I’d rather watch a fleshtuber talk about my exact interests than a vtuber talk about a similar interest. I imagine a lot of people who want specific types of content feel the same too, even if they’re weebs.
I think that’s why EN vtubing doesn’t appear as diverse as JP. For some forms of content, the avatar would be nothing but an expensive novelty. If Wendover Productions made all his videos with an anime avatar with Live2D tracking, it would not make me more or less likely to watch his videos one bit. On the other hand, I’ve learned quite a bit about menhera fashion and tumblr history because it was a cute anime girl doing the lecture.
That’s the problem. You have to be a good enough vtuber to compete against vtubers and a good enough [your niche here] creator to compete against fleshtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
no one is irreplaceable lmao
I know discordtrannies pushing shill operation for 2 grifters is at all time high and all but at the very least do your reps.
the purple faggot stole his whole shtick from kaoru up to the bayblade bit and the other """oldfag""" tried to be what aruran used to be. As proven, even if they leave or change there will still be people working with passion for the group. Even if the schizo sisters hate the guts of the ones doing it like roberu and astel, people like that just doesn't quit after the first wall hits them.
You gotta be really retarded or a newfag to fall for these.
>but le evil contract and corpo
Unlike Zaion, these shill posts absolutely not proof of this claim and on top of that the blue and orange EN homos are sticking to the gig. What, suddenly the crybaby and the twitard cause supporter are in favor of bad terms?
The clout leeching couldn't be more obvious lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57115947
>Half the reason Tempus is struggling so much is because its reputation got ruined by people like you

Well, not only Tempus reputation got ruined but male vtubers in general... And ruination started from Luxiem sisters

[Anonymous No.]

What happend if someone decides to start doxxing the girls because of this graduations more or less like the china incident

[Anonymous No.]

As long as Cover insists on treating the boys like they are woman there can be no future for the Holostars.

It doesn't matter what kind of talent they have or how good they are something, because there will be some asshole on a suit looking over their shoulder telling them how they can't do this and that because... the girls don't do that, and Cover is too lazy to distinguish between one and another.

The second thing would be to give them better designs, because holy shit there's not a single good one.

Third, stop putting them together with the girls cause that makes things worse for both groups and also creates more antis, as if they didn't have enough already.

And fourth, there's huge gaps in time zones where nobody is streaming, hire europeans for the male branch so they have an untapped market.

Of course we all know that Cover is not gonna do any of this, and if there's ever a Tempus3 it will be filled with the exact same mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57079731
Towa invited him as the Holostars EN representative for the song that brings together talents from Hololive, Holostars, VSPO and CR so it was her idea and not Hakka's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57091626
Hakka is alright, if only he wasn't a beaner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57089920
That's the thing. Vesper, despite what people who don't watch him say, is an extremely good vtuber. Not a lot of people watched him or his roommate but he was actually one of the most entertaining ENs. If he was female he would have been number 1. If you watch him he's capable of getting male and female viewers, making conversations for hours with or without chat, and feels like a friendly person that accepts they aren't perfect. He's very talented and he was bound to do well wherever he ended up, as his roommate was already doing pretty well as an indie despite being a mid level male streamer. He's good at networking too. He did stand out as a very genuinely likable person you could shoot the shit with.

Then he got a fucking massive model debuff he struggled with for a year. Still was the most popular in his branch. Seemed to have his permissions for important events yoinked last second, still pivoted last second. He dealt with bullying from the bpd ME ME ME ME ME ME I'M IMPORTANT she's a slut whore slut whore be a professional don't talk to him I DONATE I'M A GATCHIKOI I'M SPECIAL ME ME ME ME worse than women behavior niji sisters schizo fanbase when stars and live interacted, so it's fair he left. NijiEN had better marketing and management for their talents at that time if you were male, but Vesper was a very talented person they flubbed managing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57110503
No, that would just reward them for wasting Cover’s time and money by getting remodels when they already knew they were going to graduate.
Making fans happy is important, but making sure employees aren’t incentivized to keep doing destructive behavior is even more important. Shitty tardwrangling is about to be the death of NijiEN and has killed countless small corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57119534
Vesper...

[Anonymous No.]

>>57118096
>Third, stop putting them together with the girls cause that makes things worse for both groups and also creates more antis, as if they didn't have enough already.


Unicorn detected, opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
I want to say 'Hire someone who became a vtuber not because of Hololive girls'. But there's no such person >>57119342

[Anonymous No.]

>>57119928
Falseflagger pretending that only homobeggars watch Tempus. Kys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57119928
Why would a unicorn use that argument, moron?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
>future
absolutely nothing. it's a dead end job. it's no wonder 2 already bailed. there's so much cons with next to nothing pros.
cons
>perms autism
>limited "creative freedom" because of first point
>instantly has antis by just existing
>third class citizens in the company
pros
>you can MAYBE collab with mori, if she likes you
i don't see kronii or ame ever collabing with the rest again, maybe the rat will throw them a bone. only interaction she had was with bettel on their barbie autism arc.
>you can say that you are a Cover employee(?)
>

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
You're saying as if the girls haven't done it already. They'll be fine. They just won't be as relevant as they used to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57119534
it's too bad he was lazy, coward, lying, mentally ill whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>57082441
Sisters are always so obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>57113089
This is 1000% fucking stupid and what is holding the boys back. You fuckers want the boys to stay down as low as possible and this shit shows it. You think male gachikois aren't fucking insane? Does the schizo tracking Gura's period cycles ring a bell?
And again, so what if they get some insane female fans? Those insane women will be dropping their life savings on them just like men do on the girls. Not only that, doing as anon said will draw in more women to become fans and boost their popularity enough to take them out of mediocrity.
But oh I forgot, fuckers like you won't allow it without throwing a bitch fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57119928
No, they're 100% correct. No one wants to see male/female collabs. They always suck for everyone involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57073973
it's a mistake. EN vtubers will use stars for clout and leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57111743
>this dood
Stars threads are already full of lonely women and faggot homos complaining they want to get fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57118096
Have to agree about the designs. There used to be ONE absolutely perfect design in the company that belonged to a holostar. But he willingly changed it for something much gayer and shittier. Faggot ass fake italian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57074845
There’s 5 other homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>57075659
>what was the last popular flesh boyband
BTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>57121755
Genuinely not sure if you're calling me a sister, but if you can't figure out women would never speak frankly on the numbers that were previously dropped last night then you are retarded and should refrain from giving further opinions. Women simply do not think in stark numerical terms but in emotional ones, the reality as I said is that Orc Man was no one at all, the 1 view vtuber, before he blew up in holostars and his post-graduation numbers dwarf anything he could have achieved through natural growth on his own. These are literally inarguable facts based on the streams he literally just did, I'm not sure why you'd become upset merely being provided with objective information, perhaps you are the sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57099760
You host a community server and I will pay for membership.

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>>57073973
One can only hope they all suffer a career ending and potentially life threatening injury

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>>57122707
Just wait for VG contract to be up. Wont be 5 after that.