MIND THE GAP!

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>10K
>33K
>127K

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>>56522022
>two people
>off collab every stream when genmates couldn't collab outside of advent
>gimmick
give it time, the twins are going to have dead subs like gura with shitty ccv and nerissa will be the runt of the gen

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>>56522180
The cope is fucking real with this one

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>>56522180
just move on, this one is already to far from reality

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>>56522358
mumei and fauna have the biggest pull in council and their subs are terrible after 2 years. shiori and bijou will be the same for advent for they're actual good streamers with creative ideas. the twins are refreshing but they wont be fresh a year from now and nerissa just doesn't have much appeal apart from her voice and design which can only carry you so far (kronii). if shiori actually steps up she can be big and bring back the old school type of vtubing with actual edited video content on top of creative streams

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I remember back in the day where we'd have to have a new thread every time gura passed a jp

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>>56522022
It's likely because her family wanted to celebrate with her but man Shiori really picked the worst time to take two weeks off. Should of wait at least six weeks.

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>gone for a full 10 days right after her debut
>rock and crow only mog her by 10k and 33k respectively
Grim. Are Shiori and Fuwamoco the only ones who can draw a fanbase?

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>>56522180
but don't forget they have tons of jp viewers too, more potential than you think

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>>56522022
Truly the Aia of hololen. They have a similiar voice.

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>>56522022
best EN gen ever, way better than councyl and way less scuffed than mith and literaly years ahead of anything that nijishit, phaseshit or idolshit can produce

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>>56522899
they won't cuck their english audience, as much as people like to think they will and jp7 will distract the japs when they arrive

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>>56522828
Honestly I still think she got suspended or something. I find it hard to believe she would throw away the most important week of her career just because her family is autistic.

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>>56522022
If Shiori could somehow divide the thirsty broken retards from the people who just want to listen to her talk about encyclopedia stuff she could skyrocket. It's extremely annoying that she continues to try to cater to the menhera lovers when she has something with the bug video and the crazy story stream. Amelia tried that once with bees and other animals but she just gave up on it. Shiori should just drop the menhera shit and the GFE unicorns and she could have something

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>>56522022
Kill yourself numberfag

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>>56522180
Why do tourists and normalfags seethe at Fuwamoco's success?

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Shiori Novella is the Sana of HoloEN

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>>56522022
>>56522180
>>56522358
>>56522632
In all seriousness, the only serious discussion can be had after a few months, probably 6 months, before that you're just showing your own bias. I think Nerissa is pulling pretty consistent growth, streams a lot, and posts content (songs) that will get clicks and subs from outside the established fanbase. We'll still only see how it works out months down the line.

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Phasefaggots at it again I see

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>>56522022
This is actually still doable. Depending on shiori's content when she comes back, bijou and her could possibly surpass nerissa. She probably won't pass bijou though. This is just a bad time for her break.

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>>56522022
>Imagine if Fuwamoco reaches 1 million before council who have over 2 years of a headstart

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>>56523022
I have to imagine it was a case of Cover changing the planned debut date somewhat close to it, and the plans she had made with the original debut window in mind could no longer be changed.
Because otherwise all it would take is for Cover to say "hell no, you barely started and you want time off? shut up and come to work".
It has to be their fault in some way for this to be considered acceptable.

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>>56522022
what's wrong with biboo? Is it that she likes mori? or her zoomer mark? or her memes? her bad singing? her streams on it's own aren't bad.

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>>56522022
Atleast its not sana's level gap,
took her almost a year to reach what they have.

>>56523351
Mumei, kronii and irys looks to be set on reaching it tho.

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>>56522022
Fuwawa and Mococo are lagging far behind the rest though. Shirori and Bijou is on 762k for instance, and that's the next lowest pair.

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>>56523462
HOW I EVEN UNSUBBED KRONII

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>>56523341
>Depending on shiori's content when she comes back, bijou and her could possibly surpass nerissa.
Nope. The pecking order has been established. Shiori cemented herself as the least subbed member of Advent by saying some stupid shit and then taking a 9 day vacation. Bijou will always be more subbed because she has cute stupid rock cunny power on her side. Nerissa will always pull ahead of Bijou thanks to her giant tits and lesbian sex predator energy. And of course Fuwamoco will always be on top because they're virtually perfect.

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>>56523249
Let's hope so.

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>>56523022
Probably the "go black you wont go back" joke she made that all the mutts were seething about being 'not a big deal' because they get taught that in school.

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>>56523432
elden ring and totk are both big debuff games.

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>>56523341
She was last before the vacation got even announced.
Cuck fetishists are a small minority.

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>>56522996
Myth is soul but it can be rough a lot of the time. Advent is consistently good, sadly numbers for EN will never go back to what they were but the quality is there. Council is just regrettable all across the board.

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>>56523611
Fauna is Advent-tier

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>>56522022
>Holo vs Holo

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>>56523611
i wonder what cover was thinking with EN pre-advent. it's really sad how hard they dropped the ball and basically did nothing with the explosive growth they had. they just watched the fruit rot on the vine instead of picking it and turning it into something.

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With the male collabs this will all be fixed.

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>>56523415
Yeah, no way would an employer, much less in Japan, allow this kind of behavior just like that.
Otherwise maybe someone in Hololive knew her and vouched for her? Idk. Or maybe she made concessions in wage or other days off

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>>56523611
>Council is just regrettable all across the board.
You're welcome
t. Omega

>>56523695
>Holo vs Holo
Yes and?

>>56523699
>i wonder what cover was thinking with EN pre-advent.
They were thinking they wanted to pwn the incels and kill le toxic idol culture

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>>56523462
Irys isn’t council even if people like to pretend so. And Kronii and Mumei are still about 100k off and aren’t growing nearly as fast

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>>56523022
If she was suspended she wouldn't be able to use Twitter and upload videos to YouTube. So that rrat doesn't work.

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>>56522180
>gimmick
That's the essential part. If they keep going with their gibberish the audience will sooner or later move on to someone who can actually speak English.

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>>56523884
two more weeks
BAU BAU

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>>56522899
Hags with JP boomer meme knowledge will mean they grow every time they collab with JP hags.

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>>56523611
Council has Mumei and Fauna.

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>>56523676
Yes, I'll say Fauna and Mumei are up there as streamers, but their bad opsec also brought much of the shitposting that only put more of a dark cloud over Council on release. And I'm not even trying to be mean, but seeing stuff like that posted over and over is just demoralizing when you're trying to get invested into a gen. The worst you get with Advent is what, Shiori making NTR jokes? lol

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>>56522022
Shorts can save this. Granted, it won't help with her ccv, but if she wants to catch up in subs, she should do shorts

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>>56523895
It's still fresh. It will last longer. I can see them slowing down in about two months.

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>>56523937
There really is no excuse to still be a Sapling since Fuwamoco debuted.
As for Mumei Gura is streaming again so

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>>56523884
>people will leave Fuwamoco if they keep doing the thing that draws people to them
Hahahahahaha holy shit you're stupid

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>>56523884
I'll admit their debut was hard to understand but they've definitely gotten much better at talking, and they're actually funny. They consistently make me chuckle or laugh out loud which is rare.

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>>56523509
I’m a shiorischizo and even I don’t believe that. I mean it’s a joke that has absolutely no place in Hololive and shouldn’t ever be made by its members but is that really ban worthy? I don’t think it’s unlikely that her manager brought it up and told her to not do that but you know how important a new Hololive gen is for Hololive? No way would they just casually have someone be suspended for such a reason immediately after their debut when they’re trying to build them up as new sources of revenue. This must’ve been something not preventable.

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>>56523940
>jokes
Yeah totally not sincere. Just like when /pol/ only jokes about TND

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>>56524106
Bruh this thread will get archived before we got through her long list of inappropriate jokes and behaviours.
Given that cover flew them all to japan for training it's not impossible that she got put on the bank for a week to learn basic decency.

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>>56524136
what's tnd?

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>>56523676
No she is not, her insistence to not be her chats friend was delivered too poorly so it seemed outright hostile and the magic is gone

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>>56523022
It's really funny to see people not knowing what "suspended" means. She's literally constantly tweeting, posting vids, and getting mentioned from other members. Plus Kiara mentioned texting with her and having pictures sent from Shiori, which would just not be a thing which she could ever mention if she was suspended.
I know that most of you are thread-readers who have no idea of anything happening out of this board, but make an effort at least, or at least try to make one.

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>>56524278
why are you seething?

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>>56524062
>if they keep doing the thing that draws people to them
If the joke is repeated it becomes less and less funny. At first, the people were like "lol the dogs can barely speak", but that's not gonna keep them forever, mainly when there are better alternatives.

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>>56523699
That’s exactly what I was thinking throughout 2021. "What the actual fuck are you doing cover?!" I think the earliest mistake was waiting AN ETERNITY for myth 3D. A gura 3D in december-march after her debut would’ve been such an insane boost towards the already gigantic hype at the time.
But nooooo, muh covid!! If they really wanted they could’ve relatively easily done that, they were just complacent with their success which is really infuriating

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>>56524327
nobody ever watched them because "lol the dogs can barely speak". what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>56524278
So all she is doing is content that can easily be proofread and accepted by management instead of unfiltered livestreams?
Yeah I guess this is proof that management didn't suspend her from livestreaming to school her on brand rep.

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>>56524106
Anon, if you genuinely think that jokes like this are a no-no in Hololive, you simply do not watch streams. Mori literally played along with the horse porn joke, Marine constantly talks about heavy fetishes, and Coco already talked about porn countless times in her streams. It's not a random joke out of context which will anger management more than anything else, most people don't even give a fuck, this is the only place where a significant meltdown happened.

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>>56523937
The Anons point still stands.

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>>56524203
I don’t remember, when was Shioris break announced? Was it right after the insect stream?

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>>56524258
Oh, boo hoo. Who gives a fuck? Grow a pair, you fucking pussy.
>Waah! The streamer lady said "we aren't friends" in a mean way. Waaah!
Stop fucking crying about it, loser. You just sound pathetic.

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>>56524315
Seething about what? She's releasing content and Nerissa copes about her absence every single day, I don't think that there's really anything to seethe at. You just have no idea what a suspension is, even a stealth one.

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>>56524380
This is literally the most important vtuber discussion place in the english speaking internet though.
Yesman flip with the wind.

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>>56524253
Total Nigger Death

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>>56524433
If that’s the best you can come up with that’s really weak. You don’t get to decide what is beyond the line for others. If you’re such a cuck be it on your own terms, don’t make it everyone else’s problem

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>>56522022
>can't game like biboo
>can't sing like Nerissa
>can't banter like fwmc

She is delusional if she thinks her Creatividad streams are going to be enough to carry her once people realize there's not a shred of talent behind the pretty model.

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>retard not saging the thread
Ignore bait. It's not like shiori going to address the non-issue anytime soon.

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>>56524358
Anon, they hired her while knowing her past identity, and she has been formed by the management along the other members in Japan for months. They would have already had the time to tell her such a thing if they ever wanted to.
Plus, do you genuinely think that jokes like these are not doable or did you just never catch a stream from Matsuri, Marine or Coco?

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>>56524327
People watch them cause they focus heavily on kayfabe anon. They also have great chemistry and they're the first twin big corpo vtuber. I do get what you mean though, western audience has the attention span of a fly. So i agree with them going stale, but not cause of the thing you listed

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>>56522022
They didnt fly so good huh. Why do they never learn their lesson?

>vtuber lesson nr1: Always have one male collab as one of your first stream. Attracts normale people and gets rid of unwanted elements.

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>>56524540
>They would have already had the time to tell her such a thing if they ever wanted to.
And then she violated those rules hence her suspension.
??????
All these things happened as Shiori not her past life.

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>>56524455
So be it, but Hololive doesn't care. They didn't listen the cope about male collabs when they happened, and they never spoke about the existence of this board. While I am sure that most of the talents know the board, I am pretty sure that they also are not much interested in its content. Even more if we're talking about management.

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>>56522632
good post on a shit thread

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>>56524540
Matsuri, marine and coco don’t make jokes about nigger cock though

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>>56524595
So you are telling me that they suspended a talent, but let her tweet, post videos, shorts, and let the other talent freely talk about her without any type of announcement being made in a suspension's matter?
I think I'd rather trust Cover rather than this thread.

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>>56524380
there's a difference between explicit jokes and jokes that alienates or excludes a huge chunk of your audience, like cuck or NTR jokes do. the whole point is the unity between idol and her audience. hacking that up into pieces with retarded blacked jokes for no reason goes against everything the industry stands for

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>>56522022
>254k subs
Why are FWMC a flop bros?

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>>56524610
>pretending /vt/ is irrelevant when an English /vt/ meme reached Pekora

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>>56524595
Funny you mention her past life, since this break was literally mentioned in her final stream months ago.

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>>56524610
>They didn't listen the cope about male collabs when they happened
But they did. Male collabs are over despite reddit youtube comments and clippers all affirming tveir false loyalty to drive out those toxic fans.
This is the place that matters.
Keep coping though.

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>>56524511
>If that’s the best you can come up with that’s really weak. You don’t get to decide what is beyond the line for others. If you’re such a cuck be it on your own terms, don’t make it everyone else’s problem

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>>56524684
Yes. Are you slow?

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>>56524773
>unironic wojak posting on /vt/
Grim

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>>56524789
I learned long ago that announcements are easier to trust than rrats, because your rrat makes no sense. She's gonna come back in a couple days and likely keep making these jokes, so what will your argument be then?

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>>56522828
She 100% just has an asian family, i have a few asian friends and they literally cannot decline family vacations/parties/bbq's or they will get ostracised by their whole family. the ONLY situation where it's ok are exams, and even there it can be troublesome.

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>>56524875
Stop using actual arguments anon, they don't have any intent to accept an explanation that doesn't fit their narrative. Bait threads are called this way for a reason.

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>>56524511
>If that’s the best you can come up with that’s really weak.
He says, crying behind his screen.
>You don’t get to decide what is beyond the line for others.
Yes I do.
> If you’re such a cuck be it on your own terms, don’t make it everyone else’s problem
Hey, you're the one crying because some random chick on teh interwebz doesn't want to see you as a friend. Such a loser mentality. Imagine being this insecure.

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>>56524832
Keep seething.

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>>56524875
Still no less stupid. Imagine your family having understanding for your new job or exams just because of some get together

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>>56524946
Missing the point, it’s this hostility that’s just repulsive, even if it isn’t directed at me. It’s like when a vtuber exclaims just how much they hate groups X that are known to hate on others, even if I’m not part of it, bringing that in sours the mood no matter if I’m addressed or not

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>>56524935
This self congratulatory "only people who agree with me are reasonable" pretense is so incredibly gay and insecure you should probably kys

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>>56524875
Still no less stupid. Imagine your family having no understanding for your new job or exams just because of some get together

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>>56522022
she had a 80k lead before debut, she had all the lewd fanart, the best model, the most hype and still managed to blow it up

this has to be the dumbest career management ever

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>>56524875
There's no point explaining this. You're in the catalog. People lacking a relationship with their parents and family won't understand and everyone else will pretend not to for the sake of calling you retarded.

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>>56522022
we all know once fuwamoco start collaborating with holojp, they are going to distance their genmates even more.

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>>56525084
Missing the point
No, actually, I think I'm getting the point completely... You're a thin-skinned, weak-minded, fragile, little faggot who needs to grow some balls and stop being such a whiny, little bitch about something so trivial.

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>>56525516
We love out genmates though...

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>>56525544
That’s a lot of whining to tell someone else they’re whining

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>>56525312
Where else would you discuss this? in the hugbox generals?

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>>56524701
I can't believe this is the first post pointing it out. Putting two people behind one channel was obviously a mistake. They could be making twice as much if they hired just 2 regular streamers.

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>>56525711
Kid, I'm absolutely bullying you while you're desprately trying not to cry right now. Stop whining.

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>>56522022
maybe stop talking about how much you lust after your 'husbandos' and males in every stream or how much of a cock hungry whore you bf at the time became. Should have keep your autism to dissecting bugs and weird stuff instead

[Anonymous No.]

I would sub to her if she made an effort to pronounce her words properly. Especially her excessive use of 'd' instead of 't'.

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>>56522022
The only thing a bit subscription size indicates is whether they get a -80% or -90% of unique views/subscriptors ratio in six months.

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>>56522022
It looks even more humorous when you consider the fact that her best days doesn't even reach the average for either of the top two when it comes to viewership.

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>>56523040
If Shiori is clever however, she'll keep the GFE locked in paychains and limited to a few times a month and keep doing the crazy hot goth girl stuff for the general audience.

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>>56523075
the seaniggers latched on really hard to shiori for some reason

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>>56525931
Do people not realize Shiori has a speech impediment yet? It's cute as fuck.

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>>56523432
Her game choices are pretty shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Holo fanbase is truly the worst Jesus Christ. I could never understand why the girls seemed to hate their fans but I understand now after this gen debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

So many people replying to a holo vs holo nijinigger bait thread
so dissapointed
when will you learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>56526441
What are you even talking about? The whole vtubing has always revolved around the concept of oshis.

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>>56524875
>>56525120
Didn't Shiori say her family only has a loose understanding of what she does?

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>>56523075

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>>56522022
I fully expect I'll grow to like Shiori eventually, Bae's the only member of Council I go out of my way to watch and developed a slight amount of respect for Kiara. I worry I have a runt fetish.

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>>56526826
>Bae
That cock loving whore?

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>>56526743

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>>56526864
>That cock loving whore?
Yeah, MY (thick, juicy, uncut) cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56526969
Is that what you tell yourself during male collabs too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56526953
Let me guess. You've never read a book beyond required reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56526985
Goddamn right I do. ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>56526743
cute aggression

People with a lack of empathy have a very aggressive response to cuteness

[Anonymous No.]

this is the only thread i can really ask this, but do people actually find fuwamoco intelligible? i can understand their english perfectly fine, is it just too incomprehensible to those who have it as a second language?

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>>56522833
She's never catching back up you know.

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>>56524511
> If you’re such a cuck be it on your own terms

Why are you like this? Legitimate question... How does a person become this mind-rotten over chuubas?

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>>56527249
>Her subs will TANK over her vacation!!!
>*Doesn't tank*
>They're not gonna grow when she gets back!!!
Kek

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>>56526743
This remindes me of the women who would seethe at korone saying that they wanted to punch her or stomp her
>>56526953
It has been ages since I last saw these

[Anonymous No.]

>>56522833
Numberfags should kys. Seriously. You are cancer. You are trash.

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>>56527357
>mind rotten
Have you considered that maybe I just want to watch what I want to watch. And that includes not having to sit through lectures, no matter if they’re directed at me. Me having to sit through them affects me by proxy.
It’s like being at your friend’s house while his mom has a huge argument with him and yells and such. It might not be directed at me but it’s not like it doesn’t faze me

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>>56527239
No, I understand how you feel. Especially Fuwawa.

It's actually more annoying than cute but you'll just get bau bau'd if you say it here.

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>>56523289
This. Everyone seriously trying to draw conclusions from such limited data is retarded. It’s also skewed since normalfags and unityfags on normie media like reddit will just subscribe to everyone

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>>56527488
Jesas Christ what sort of mentality is that over a hobby... You'll never be truly happy. I kinda feel sorry for you...

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527239
The question is not whether they can be understood, but whether their level of linguistic ability matches the fact that speaking is supposed to be their livelihood. Imagine if a news anchor spoke like them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527239
It's mostly threadwatchers repeating what they've seen from 30 second clips of them making cute dog noises.

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>>56527593
>thinking I spend all my life posting about fauna
I watch chuubas that I like thank you very much. Shut the fuck up with this disingenuous "I feel so bad for you", it’s an opinion to have against a chuuba, nothing more. You’re acting like having standards for vtubers is heretical and you should just accept everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>56524564
cringe

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>>56527735
Watching 30 seconds is enough to get an idea of the intellectual level of their streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527660
So what? They are perfectly understandable what’s your point

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527859
>thinking I spend all my life posting about fauna
Don't put words in my mouth. And I do feel genuinely sorry for you. Jesas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56522180
Why are Pippa fans like this?

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>>56527365
They did tank, anon. She had a 80K lead a few weeks ago. Nerissa is going to hit 450K before she even gets to 400K.
It's just embarrassing.
But I hope you move on, it isn't good for your mental health to cheer for a loser who'll cuck you eventually.

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>>56527906
Ah yes, unlike all the other vtubers who are so highbrow that they’re only for the most astute academics

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527943
For what? Genuinely asking. Because I don’t put up with everything a vtuber does?

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>>56522022
..

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>>56527986
Pre-debut numbers mean nothing. Gura was like third in Myth before she debuted.

I'm not saying that Shiori will be like that but Mumei has proved that you can start growing faster than your genmates later.

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>>56528060
For being so spiteful.

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>>56523289
Agreed, it's way too early to tell. (It's also way too early to "oshi" someone IMO, but that's a personal issue.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527934
Their linguistic indisposition contributes to the decline of the English language as a whole. Think of all the children who watch their stream and who see them as role models worthy of following.

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>>56528147
Mumei didn't really prove anything desu, Kronii very obviously and deliberately tanked all momentum she had. Plus they had a dead member in Sana.
I don't think Shiori will be like Sana. We'll see how she handles her return, but considering she doesn't game, can't sing, and isn't really that funny enough for a clip to capture, she'll have to rely purely on esoteric memes only fans will understand.
She's doomed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56523500
Model buff too strong. She's also funny in collabs. I know she's shit, but that doesn't matter for sub growth. Her active viewers are low.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56527488
you're not fooling anyone retard

[Anonymous No.]

Cuckelites...

[Anonymous No.]

top holo experts, explain the current situation of why is my wife's numbers that low

[Anonymous No.]

>>56523022
>>56523509
You guys are retarded. It's a strict asian parenting thing. She'll be disowned if she declines. Cover has nothing to do with it. Yes, it is damaging her channel. No, it was not because of any sort of joke or suspension.

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>>56528365
She isn't low at all considering the modern vtubing world, the other two just have some buffs, Nerissa has a yuri and music buff and FWMC has their kayfabe and twin gimmick buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>56524511
Nobody cares except you. Fauna's average CCV didn't even dip.
I think it was a mistake for her to get baited, but it really doesn't matter in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56528192
How? I just don’t like what they did so I don’t watch them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56528365
They are miles ahead of 99% of all the EN vtubers and in 3 or 4 months she'll be at 700k over everything non Holo

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>>56528266
>unironic think of the children post
Kek, you think 3 year olds learning the language are watching fuwamoco? No one is growing up with them, even if there are 13 year olds watching them, their speaking will not be affected by that, it’s already developed

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>>56528315
What would I even fool anyone to think? I was very clear

[Anonymous No.]

>niggas posting in a nijibait HolovsHolo thread
this board has room temperature iq, in celsius

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>>56525931
lol, I'm glad someone else noticed. Like "anudder" instead of "another".
I actually like her, but it's pretty obvious that english is her second language.

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>>56522828
Shiori was lowest in subs before her vacation

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>>56528490
Of course not, I’m not saying it was a big yab or that most people would remember it but it’s just not detachable from her. Like she shouldn’t even have cared about that topic, just not address the obvious bait supa it’s that fucking easy.
But oh well, she fell for it, showed what she thinks, and I’m out

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>>56526130
The real pro strat is to lock GFE behind membership and just do some casual teasing in public streams.

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>>56528624
What would her first language even be? Isn’t she a chink American?

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>>56528607
very clear in your retardation, yes

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>>56527239
I can understand them, but it takes more concentration than normal. I definitely prefer clear-spoken chuubas, so they're not for me. But I don't think it's an objective flaw, just a preference. It's like Miko vs. Okayu in JP.

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>>56522022
I want them all to do well, because they're human beings currently living their dream. The dogs aren't for me though. I can't stand adult women that talking like toddlers.

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>>56527111
bae just clicked

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>>56527448
The only good reply here

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>>56527111
Good on you. No one should be ostracized for their fetishes even when it’s cuckoldry

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>>56528285
Meh, we'll see in a few months. Fauna was behind Bae at debut after all, and her main buff is sheer streaming ability. (Yes, she's moderately better than her peers at video games, but that's not the main reason she inclined.)

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>>56526743
>a little too anime for me
Retards like this deserve a bullet

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>>56527488
my life is rough but at least I'm not this much of a weakmind loser

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>>56523676
>>56524258
>>56528699
>>56527488
>>56527859
>>56528607
Rare to find you outside of your retard containment Faunaschizo.

The embarrassing tale of Faunaschizo's self-doxx and samefagging (Jakarta timezone btw)
>>56164357
>>56164427
>>56164605
>>56164682
>THE REVEAL
>>56165269
>>56165697
>HE FUCKING RAN AWAY
>>56166837
>>56167143

Bonus - 2 threads ran from today:
>>56444877
>>56459162

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>>56527239
That's cope. I only know English and I can't understand a single thing they say. 75% of their words they're tripping over the nutsacks they keep in their mouths 24/7. It's fucking stupid. Why adult women make the conscious decision to choose to sound like a toddler for the next 3-5 years is beyond my comprehension. This also applies to women who choose to talk like Mickey Mouse. It's like they forgot they also have to sing in these forced, fake voices that sound terrible.

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>>56522180
But Shiori is dead right now

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>>56528948
NTA but cuckoldry cannot exist where there is none projecto-chama

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>>56528365
They're not low, Fuwamoco just has crazy momentum right now mainly due to their gimmick. It's like Fauna vs. Kronii at debut. Only time will tell where Biboo will land, but considering her wit and work ethic so far, I reckon she will end up doing better over time. Slow and steady wins the race after all. (Then again, the dogs also seem to have impeccable work ethic, so for once we'll have an actual competition instead of one person winning by doing essentially nothing.)

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>>56529087
>I only know English and I can't understand a single thing they say.
Are you sure about that?

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>>56529080
Can't believe I replied to this faggot in earnest. What mental illness is this?

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>>56529080
Based grudgeling.
>jakarta

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>>56529080
of course it's SEA. why is it always SEA?

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>>56528948
Speaking of which, Bae's actually over here right now, tonguing my foreskin and rimming my asshole. She says she'll let you give her a big, sloppy kiss when she's done.

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>>56528523
Who do you think is making these threads? It's mostly seething 2views who realized they're doomed for good.

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>>56528752
There's a reason why "Chinatown" is a thing is many cities across the world. (Many of the residents speak exclusively chinese because they literally don't ever need to speak the native tongue.)
Considering her childhood stories, it's reasonable to assume her parents immigrated when she was very young and still speak their original language at home.

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>>56529331
remember, fuwamoco were lifelong 2views
you can do it too!!

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>>56529080
>>56529181
I’m not that guy though but I know you’re not gonna believe that

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>>56529442
And Bill Gates was just a Harvard dropout. Everyone can start a billion-dollar business if they have the will to go for it.

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>>56529038
Are you really telling me you didn’t at least in concept see what I mean with that example?

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>>56522707
/vt/ didn't exist back then.

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>>56529253
Keep projecting, I guess you need this level of delusion to watch her so I can’t even blame you for it

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>>56522707
>I remember back in the day where we'd have to have a new thread every time gura passed a jp
that’s like blessing Fuwamoco

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>>56528752
>>56528624
>>56526378
She's Chinese or something, her impediment is being a non-native speaker. She talked about her slum hometown before, which is probably not in America, she did study in America and probably lives there. The accent is just lazy though, like if you were learning Japanese, got into HoloJP, but pronounced everything like a super gaijin.

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>>56522180
i won't abandon my puppies, fuck you

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>>56529695
Not just watch her, but FUCK HER, too. Man, she gives some sloppy toppy. Finna bust a nut in this bitch and keep her perpertually pregnant. Stay jealous that I get to fuck her and you don't.

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>>56529786
chumbuds probably thought the same thing of Gura when she was hyped up at first, now look at her CCV with 4m+ subs lmao

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>>56529990
I think Shiori fans are dumping her for Bijou, but not sure.

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>>56529695
As opposed to your oshi who probably has a real boyfriend she actually fucks behind your back kek

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>>56530016
all the shiori break has done is give me time to watch and appreciate bijou, so now I'll support both when shiori comes back. I don't care for the twins or nerissa really but I'll watch if the other two aren't streaming

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>>56522022
Truly the runt of the entire hololive EN branch

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>holo VS holo

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>>56530229
>all the shiori break has done is give me time to watch and appreciate bijou, so now I'll support both when shiori comes back
You helped confirm my thoughts on this. The problem, is that many may not go back.

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Shiori is just unlikable. It must be a combination of ESL and some kind of autism. She repeats jokes in collabs a lot and can't read the room half the time. I refuse to watch her solo streams, so I can't comment on those.

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>>56530363
>Muh holo vs holo
Shiori is the worst vtuber in the hololive advent and you can seethe about it all you want faggot

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>>56522022
Shiori is fine. The cuck market is pretty big

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>>56530519
I wouldn't be so sure on that, look at Bae...

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>>56522180
Why Nerissa?
She's set up to be a co-idol next to Kiara, and Kiara is extremely anti-everything Mori and Kronii does. She heavily respects idol culture and doesn't even slightly hint at breaking norms. If anything, the fact that she debuted and became what Shiori should've been was a pleasant surprise to begin with.

You can't be the runt of your gen when you're doing everything in your power to not spread the unity brainrot.

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>>56530839
Because she's the least popular in /vt/

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>>56522180
The word oshi really means nothing to newfags huh

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>>56529605
So, you're not rich because you just decided not to.

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>>56530839
Kiara is still the runt of Myth.

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>>56530839
Respecting idol culture is so stupid, because everybody knows that's not what antis and unicorns mean. The idol culture she respects is the kind where idols go on shows with men. If you meant that, then sorry for assuming you were being stupid.

I agree that she will probably do well though but not because she panders to whales. It's because she has authentic talent and will continue to output good content consistently even after the parasocial honeymoon cools for the entire gen.

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>holo vs holo
Who cares about that. What fulgur thinks about this?

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>>56530996
I concede I'm not a billionaire even though there are more billionaires than Hololive members.

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I don’t even watch advent so correct me if I got wrong info, but this Shiori lass took a break immediately after debut? Wtf???

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>>56531179
>Who cares about that.
The 128 thousand people who decided to subscribe to Fuwamoco but not to Shiori.

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>>56531858
They'll become dead subs soon.

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>>56522022
Who cares, she's in HoloEN, basically the top of the food chain when it comes to the western vtubing scene. It doesn't get any better than this.
Even if she's "doing poorly" compared to her genmates, she's pretty much set unless she have a massive yab.

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>>56522022
...ok, honest question here, why does this matter? I would understand if it was like Sana, where the gap was so wide you could start wondering if it was affecting her in some way, but this is just peanuts.
Only FWMC has what can be called a sizeable gap, but they have such an unique niche that it's kind of expected.

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>>56531921
You said this about Gura, but Gura pulls in a very high amounts of live viewers. That’s mainly what is rated in the number thread. Pretending Gura is doing badly compared to others, is pure cope.

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>>56531996
So what you're saying is that what is important in comparing them is not the initial boost but the eventual ceiling on their growth.

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>>56522022
shiori is the best advent
she has the best personality and the most entertaining streams
She has the best design
its over for you chump

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>>56529990
>now look at her CCV
higher than any EN still? still the same numbers since 2021 while all her genmates declined like crazy?

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>>56532167
This anon gets it.

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>>56532168
He thinks that people who pull ahead is subs, like Gura and Fuwamoco, have dead subs, meaning they lose or something. He’s completely retarded.

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>>56531858
>people
reddog fans are drooling retards with oatmeal brains that slowly leaks out of their ears

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>>56532044
dead subs is pure distilled cope and always has been, like youtube or cover gives a shit about CCV/sub ratio, they only care about the raw numbers

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Some people here wanting Nerissa wanting to fail so fucking bad and are so bitter about her, I just don't really understand this.

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>>56522180
Everyone in Hololive has dead subs.

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>>56522833
Shiori was already behind before she left.

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>>56532334
Because they're afraid that she has broad appeal and consistent work ethic.

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>>56532316
If someone doesn’t want to subscribe to a VTuber, they found a way to say that it is actually beneficial. It’s extreme cope.

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>>56530154
>Fuwamoco
Never in a million years
Otherwise you could always go for a dyke that just fucking hates men and be fine like Noel, choco, lamy etc.

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>>56523000
the problem is that the western audience loves change and variety. Keyfabe works for niche groups and conservative cultures like Japan, but EN normies will lose interest. They're committed to their gimmick, and need the JP audience. If JP7 happens, it'll cripple them.

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>>56522022
>needs a genmate to leave for over a week to take a digit lead
what went so wrong for bijou, pebblephiles?

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>>56532621
>aren’t the Twins just kayfabe?
No. They have amazing chemistry with each other, can be funny at times, very talkative, extremely cute till it hurts, sing very well on karaoke, appeal to both EN and JP, have good designs, JP-like mannerisms, debut presentation was amazing, had a song ready at debut as well, are rarely ever late. They suck terrible at games, but it comes off as very cute and entertaining.

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The numberfag has no allegiance

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>>56531143
You’re the dumbass who doesn’t understand the sentiment of people here. It has been extensively established that meeting irl personalities in a professional setting like TV reporters, Esport gamers, Yagoo, etc. is normal for an idol like Sora has done many times. These are real interviews with real people in studios, the difference in power makes them very different.
It is not in any way the same as collabing with a male vtuber to play some game, much less the offcollabs nijiniggers do.

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>>56532402
I didn't like the flirting with Kiara and Shiori asap. Then there was when she needed to pop something but stopped midsentence

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>>56532334
I wasn't too impressed with her debut, but she started growing on me. I like her fanservice.

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>>56532785
>Then there was when she needed to pop something but stopped midsentence
i hate it...

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>>56532776
That's correct.

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>>56532695
but that's the gimmick, they'll never be separate, and their act will never change. They're in a market that likes to see growth. The best I can see for them at this point is they improve their japanese, and move to Japan, or at least the East coast so their hours align with JP better.

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>>56532695
>They have amazing chemistry with each other
nothing unique in hololive
>can be funny at times
so can everyone
>very talkative
shiori and nerissa can out-talk them
>extremely cute till it hurts
not natural cuteness but if you enjoy kayfabe then I guess it's true
>sing very well on karaoke
true, but that's not 90% of their content
>appeal to both EN and JP
...for now (en will get bored and jp7 will kill jap interest)
>have good designs
true
>JP-like mannerisms
true but that doesn't make it a good thing, some JPs are shit. imagine if people were praising an jp for having en mannerisms...you'd think 'wtf?'
>debut presentation was amazing
true
>had a song ready at debut as well
true but so did nerissa
>are rarely ever late
the only thing about them I really respect but in of itself, it's not going to draw people in
>They suck terrible at games, but it comes off as very cute and entertaining
nothing unique in hololive

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>>56532973
>gimmick
Look up the word. Gimmick doesn’t mean you work harder than others, or other things listed. You are abusing the word.

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>>56522022
now post nijien numbers

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i love the dogs, i'm only watching holoen because of them, i don't hate the other members, maybe kronii, but that's a weird personal grudge.
the dogs have been acting like this for years, they won't drop the act and more people will follow them once the extent of their perseverance becomes clear to the new viewers.

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>>56522833
>only

dumb goth had a 80k lead on everyone else before opening her mouth for the first time

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>>56533075
streaming as twins is a gimmick

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I think I get it, these threads are literally people that dropped their other corpo/indie oshis for the new Holos but still feel like they are in a situation where their oshi is competing against Hololive

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>>56533023
>having amazing chemistry is quite common in Holo EN
No
>everyone in Holo EN can be funny
Not really, no. Also degrees exist too.
>shiori and nerissa can out-talk them
Probably not, but I can give you that if you like? The point is that the twins talk a lot, not that they talk the most.
>not a natural cuteness
It’s cuteness, no matter how you label it.
>they sing good, but that's not 90% of their content
That’s why I have a list.
>they appeal to both EN and JP for now
For a reason.
>they have good designs, true
It helps.
>JP-like mannerisms doesn't make it a good
Appeals to a market where it is lacking. Likely helps bring JP over too.
>Nerissa also had a song ready at debut as well
That’s good
>the only thing about them I really respect is that they’re rarely late
You are too harsh

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>>56522022
FWMC, a rare example were quantity benefits quality even more.
>>56522180
Cope harder, faggot. BAU BAU

[Anonymous No.]

woah nijinegros are baiting (you) hard in this one, you people are dumb as a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>56523710
No thanks, I don't want those whores near my bros

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>>56522022
>Bijou only 10k away from being the runt
I thought you fags said she was going to be the breakaway star?