The future of EN3

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This trend makes me really worried. Is it just a temporary slowdown or are they getting stuck?

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Infinite growth was never a thing

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Damn, The black and white woman really was a failure. That's some Niji tier falloff.

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>>56364656

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Shiori should be fired. Taking a break so shortly after debut. Truly the runt of Advent

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>>56364839
She's tanking their in-gen chemistry and I bet her break is the reason the collab ban got ended so soon.

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>>56364656
Fuck off

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>>56364696
Healthy channels are still growing. It's just a matter of pace. Once they stop growing it means they are dead.

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>>56364860
And she’s the reason why we can’t get any memberships to our Oshis in advent yet.

We probably have to wait until she’s back

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>>56364929
Feels pretty bullshit that Cover can just punish a whole gen for the selfishness of one person.

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>>56364656
Now post krisis

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>>56365024
>BANDAGE

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>>56364656
EN market is not like in 2020-2021. There's a limited amount of people that will sub to the new debuts. No lockdowns, ironic weebs and adhd zoomers that prefer watching clips, shorts and tiktoks won't be subbing them
If the dogs want to reach 1M subs (not a single Councilrys managed to achieve that), they will need to start doing more JP only streams and stream during JST primetime and tap the shorts market and get more dead subs

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>>56365120
Following the footsteps of the Council would suck. I hope they will be able to break the curse.

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>>56365120
>and get more dead subs
Why is this board so obsessed with subs? It's literally the most meaningless metric for success we have and ccv & superchat income are incredibly easy to get. Gura's 4 million dead subs are meaningless when a bunch of JPs mog her in every other way.

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>>56364656
"EN vubing is dying" is what nijiEN.fags and deadbeats tell themselves to rationalize that their vtubers' careers are dying.

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>>56365316
>this board
Hi clip watcher, the twins literally stated they wanted 1M subs in a year

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>>56364656
Fuwamoco's been pulling in 4-5k subs a day still without end and I think that's pretty impressive 2 weeks in. If they kept that up for 2 months (which they won't remotely, but just in theory) they would probably pass Bae and Fauna (sana's already been passed but I mean, that doesn't really matter now). If they passed over half of Council within 3 months of debut that is actually fucking astounding, people are used to ENs being just kind of stuck barely moving and stopped paying attention to subs mostly because it's a slow and boring topic nowadays.

I think it's more plausible that Fuwamoco would be neck-and-neck with Bae/Fauna by the end of this year realistically - although FWMC have a fucking potent secret weapon the rest of the gen can't even try to touch - the JP audience. If they can maintain even a passing interest from the JP audience, who is way bigger and growing way faster than ENs, even a small percent of goodwill subbing from them for the occasional JP doggies stream would give them a fucking enormous advantage over not just Advents but all the Councils too.

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>>56364721
>>56364839
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>>56365318
retard

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>>56365318
Yeah, it was dying BECAUSE nijiEN was there and have been doing everything they possibly can to try to kill the magic.

Cover was just stupid to let it ride and let them control the next moves for 2 fucking years, only looking weak by making and insisting on Tempus in response instead of just confidently doing what Holo does best, cute girls. It was not just that but their clearing Tempus and the girls interacting at a rate like literally fucking 50x higher than the starsJP boys had ever interacted with the JP girls. Omega was a fucking weak willed, non-leader who bowed down to the rivals even though he held the upper hand, instead of fighting nijiEN he joined in their strategy and then as nijiEN has gone into decline things just looked grim overall like holoEN was only destined to also go downhill in both the vibes and in popularity, leading to the small corpos aping the original Holo image taking over like mammals did after the dinosaurs. Those small corpos are still there and eager but Advent and Jap really did fucking save everything honestly. Thank god, miracles do happen.

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zoom in further please, are they stagnating or have they just reached a more normalised level of growth?

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>>56365988
Yeah
Niji TEMPUS and Pippa killed the "magic", thank god bau bau saved vtubing
Retard

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>>56364860
Tempus was the reason EN collab ban was reduced to 2 weeks

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>>56366099
>Niji TEMPUS and Pippa killed the "magic", thank god bau bau saved vtubing
This but unironically.

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>>56364904
So what's the cutoff for dying to you?

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>>56364656
I told them lifting collab ban early isn't a good idea but they didn't fucking listened

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>>56364656
as long as they get past sana, in not even a month or 2, they're already a success to me.

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>>56364656
man when do we wipe numberfags off this board?

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>>56366332
I hate how they have these collab bans but then collabs with the other members offline,
like what's the point.
I want to see their first communication on stream.
I guess this is just a personal preference of mine.

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>>56366099
How did Pippa kill the magic?

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The dogs are guarantee 1M by the end of the year thanks to JP subs because you can't trust EOP faggots to watch Hololive anymore.
Rest will struggle a lot

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>>56365424
We got a mothafuckin analyst in the house. FWMC Supremacy.

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>>56365318
>Ignore saturation of content creators
>Ignore parameters of societal events from 2020 to 2023
>Ignore trend and fad decay
>Ignore aging fanbase moving on
>It's Nijisanji's fault
Yes, barely 5k people watched bijou today because niji did a thing again

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>>56365120
Here comes the same fucking cops that I heard when Tempus wasn't gaining subs fast enough. Supply and demand faggots. Only Fuwamoco are supplying what people actually want to see, which is why their growth is still so explosive. It really is that simple. You can spew lockdown bullshit all you want but two retarded Bau Baus gaining so many subs so fast completely blows that theory out of the water.

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>>56366396
Retard

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>>56366093
https://trackholo.live/en/

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>>56366430
They are getting propelled by JP viewers, they really need to do JP only streams atleast twice per week

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>>56365120
Keep in mind that HoloX couldn’t get someone to 1M subs in a year either. I can’t remember if Ollie hit the mark before or after ID2’s anniversary, but if it’s the latter, then Kobo’s the only post-Myth girl to do it.

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>>56366528
Can you imagine the state of this board if they did?

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>>56366332
shiori ducking out like 1 week in kind of disrupted the gen unity flow anyway, they would have to wait a while before getting another full-gen collab in thanks to her so at least getting around to getting to know the other girls meanwhile is something.

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>>56366554
Myth set the standard, and Kiara crying on stream over being last to hit 1M out of Myth, while something like 85% of the rest of Hololive at the time wasn't even at 500k, still lives in my mind as the ultimate gesture of Westerners knowing fuck all

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>>56365318
>and deadbeats
>One of the most popular EN tubers
>Dying
What did she mean by this?

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>>56366528
JPnikis will watch FuwaMoco EN streams just for the cute noises, like many ENs do for JP talents.

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>>56365316
>Why is this board so obsessed with subs?
Because that's the metric Cover uses, despite /#/'s bitch and cry about it

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>>56366633
Seems liek random deadbeat seethe is going to be this guy's thing for awhile

https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/M5GMNohEzpGu0--fSQXowQ/

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>>56366633
Bro it's a kobo poster, the literal most cucked/NTRd fanbase in Hololive. Pay them no mind

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>>56366313
>Sana's account gains more than Botan
FUCKING GRIM

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>>56366652
Mental illness in real time so sad to watch kek

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>>56366313
>-1000
Good i'll be the only boyfriend, keep leaving you fake fans

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>>56366430
I think 1 channel split between 2 people helps them a fair degree imo