Average viewership

[Anonymous No.]

Yellow is Holo, blue is male Niji, orange is female Niji.
As you can see, they're nothing compared to Hololive but there's no point talking about that so let's talk about Nijisanji instead. As you can see, Nijimale's viewership as a whole is actually slowly growing, while on the female side, they actually have less people watching them now than they did 2 years ago. What caused the stagnation of female Nijis viewership, no one knows. But it's now clear why Gibara and Lulu decided to leave Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>Lulu
>550k subs
>Amassed over $200k in two years in just Superchats
>Nearly 74m views
Can you hear echos in your head when you talk?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Wow, there's really no hope for vtubers that aren't in Hololive. They better start filling out that Macdonarudo application fast!

[Anonymous No.]

we don't need 2 numbers threads

[Anonymous No.]

I still can't believe Lulu is graduating, just so sudden...

[Anonymous No.]

stay in your containment thread schizo: >>5573954

[Anonymous No.]

Year of the fujo!

[Anonymous No.]

Why are Male and Female Nijis separated?

What would the graph look like if they weren't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Seems like Hololive is dominating the female vtuber niche while failing with it's male holostars.

While Niji is dominating the male vtuber niche while failing with it's female stars.

How much longer will Cover even put up with the unprofitable failure that is Holostars? I give it 6 more months tops before it gets the same treatment as the China branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614863
The grey line, according to the key

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614863
how dare you insinuate nijisanji's strength is the combined male and female talent anon they are to be treated like completely different companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614921
>JOKE'S ON THEM! I'M ONLY PRETENDING!: The Post

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614888
Yagoo seems to like the people on Holostars since he always interact with them, according to Roberu

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614888
Female Nijis can be used to boost their male talents while the Holostars are just straight up useless. I really don't know why Cover is keeping them around.

[Anonymous No.]

>male viewership way higher than female
kek, ManjiSHARTji is fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

nijisanji is officially only for smelly fujos.

hororaibu reigns supreme

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614888
holostars are always handicapped in JP to begin with, but much like the gals they got overseas traction recently, all they need is a connector to the kaigaifags like maybe holostarsID/EN and they'll break the limit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5616883
I like how they're only allowed to touch the filthy non-JPs that only losers and normies want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Holy shit look at that fucking difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619125
yea i see i'm not blind

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Gibara gone
Roa gone (muh pattented accent)
Lulul gone
It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614611
She isn't growing anymore, anon. They're all gonna reach a limit one day while the market is getting even more saturated. She stepped off this early because there's nothing left for her in this business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335

i guess cover is buying girls out now

[Anonymous No.]

Is that average CCV? While hololive is clearly abnormal those are healthy numbers for Niji.
What the chart fails to represent however is how hard the numbers are pushed up by the top performers in the respective side and how many are struggling to reach viable numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
views/subs don't matter, Tomoe is making a shitload of money as we speak and she is at 260k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614788
I respect her decision, but if anyone asked me I would beg for her not to, the same as if Daniel Day Lewis consulted me about his retirement.
It's selfish, but I like what I like. I hope they find happiness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
What's the grey line, in between the 2 Niji's? Their average?

[Anonymous No.]

How do these numbers work? Are they averages? I'm assuming they're averages because the grey niji line is half way between the boid and foid lines. And if that's the case, doesn't that mean the niji number is being diluted by the sheer number of nijis?

[Anonymous No.]

>number thread dies
>schizos start shitting up the rest of the board
someone make a new one please

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Supposedly Hololive is winning yet Niji still lives rent free in their head I wonder why. It's not just an EOP thing since that pic was posted a lot by JP holofags(who have a schizo habit to separate males and females)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619442
the chad schizophrenic
the virgin number autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619487
not putting a space before the start of a parenthetical clause = cringe and schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619404
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619487
It's like the rabbit and the hare. The rabbit already passed the finish line, but it's thinking when is the turtle gonna pass the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614863
Do you not understand how averages work?
Also, another shitty numbers thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619487
>Supposedly
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619219
look anon, look

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619559
>the rabbit and the hare
nijiniggers are so low IQ it feels unfair to make fun of you

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619559
you're drunk

there's no rabbit involved and the hare never crossed the line

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619370
>viable numbers
That's largely a niji problem, as even Aki has good numbers compared to the wider streaming world.
Hell, even Iofi could be said to be doing well if you contrast her with the KR and ID nijis that aren't Hana.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the new numbers thread?

Gen3 vs gen4 mario kart competition is really fucking over the nene suisei 3d live. I thought they were supposed to end at 9.

[Anonymous No.]

Okayu is really going to have to work on her numbers if she still wants my support. It's getting pretty pathetic how far behind Korone is and is begining to drag down the Okakoro aesthetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>5620186
how far behind Korone she is, I mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619971
>Is this the new numbers thread?
I hope not, this thread is a shitfest.
>Gen3 vs gen4 mario kart competition is really fucking over the nene suisei 3d live. I thought they were supposed to end at 9.
Initially yes, but lol it's the last time they're playing MK with Coco. Numbers are secondary to the MEMORIES.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619487
Where are the faggots back when Fubuki was the biggest subbed Holo, having only 300k? Where were the faggots thinking Niji, the best, throwing a shade at Holo whenever they can?

>Holo nerfing it's own talents, management incompetence, dramas everywhere, supposedly shit tier tech compared to Niji.
Somehow Niji got mogged, and will one day overtaken by Holos. with EN2 coming up, the massive hype of JP6 after months or a year after EN2 is released, there's also ID3, even Holo IDs mogs NijiEN. also the ever expanding fandoms of Holos, ES, Russia, KR, Tell me, how? how is your Niji superior?

The absolute state of Nijifaggotry. Can't wait you faggots get burried by Holos. as your Oshis graduate one by one.

Do you know how it feels when we were getting shitted on and now, we're overruning you? One day you'll understand.

[Anonymous No.]

Where are the faggots back when Fubuki was the biggest subbed Holo, having only 300k? Where the faggots thinking Niji, the best, while throwing a shade at Holo whenever they can?

>Holo nerfing it's own talents, management incompetence, dramas everywhere, supposedly shit tier tech compared to Niji.
Somehow Niji got mogged, and will one day overtaken by Holos. with EN2 coming up, the massive hype of JP6 after months or a year after EN2 is released and since they haven't had a JP branch for a while, there's also ID3 in the line, even Holo IDs mogs or caps NijiEN. also the ever expanding fandoms of Holos, ES, Russia, KR. Tell me, how? how is your Niji superior?

The absolute state of Nijifaggotry. Can't wait you faggots get burried by Holos. as your Oshis graduate one by one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Yes, yes, Hololive is inclining, Nijisanji is reclining. Here are the keywords: Manjisanji, Zhanjisanji, Tranjisanji, Black company, Bullying, lmao Niji IN, ID, KR, EN, Hololive rejects...Take them OP, shove it up your ass and go back to your numberfagging thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621541
nigga please, the niji fans on /jp/ don't even think about you, they never did. people who shat on hololive back then were schizos schizos on /vyt/ who didn't care about either. hololive fans were a minority of idolfags back then and now they are brony tier ironic weeb bandwagoners.

[Anonymous No.]

https://vnuma.net/
VNUMA IS DOWN
FUCKING PANICK

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621541
savor it while you can, holofag. 2022 will be the year of the niji desktop

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621896
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621541
Umm... What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Holostars where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
I mean, you could also interpret the chart as the male livers being later bloomers, since the girls got their spot in the sun 2-3 years ago, got their 3D debuts earlier and 4 of the popular ones have since left, a lot of the others have become complacent, just playing the same game and waiting for events. While the guys really started taking off mid 2020 and many of the popular ones are just now getting 3D streams, like Fuwato and Ibrahim next week.
Mel and Furen will follow and with Sara becoming more and more popular, there's still some bounce-back for the female side too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621896
>2022
>Nijisanji
When 2021 ends, Hololive will be acknowledged as the most successful Vtuber agency in JP, they will get more and more traction in JP. Also, did you know that Kizuna only became successful in JP only because she blowed up in the west, after collabing with Pewds? Right now Hololive's in that stage, but this time, a much, much larger scale. But it's ok Anon, it's ok to cope, thats what Humans do all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Imagine getting a 2 billion yen investment from Sony Music back on April 2020 and still get mogged by Hololive. It wasn't that much of an increase either. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621896
>>5622380
while the first post is a falseflagging holobrony, there's a high chance hololive will go the way of up8 and .LIVE with how many controversies they're having. the fanbase numbers have also been stagnant/declining for months for both companies and even cover themselves have expressed concerns over vtubers being merely a passing fad in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621896
I'll give nijis credit on their 3D debuts. Just Tomoe alone had a rain of akasupas on her stream, not counting what fuwa got on his 3D stream. But it's all just a one time thing. They are all gonna fall into obscurity again once the 3D buffs end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622380
Anon anything can happen just like Kizuna Ai. I don't care about Holo/Niji , just don't make a yab

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622454
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622454
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622517
so far the pattern is controversies make hololive more successful, not less

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622544
>>5622562
>https://sojapan.jp/2020/04/virtual-youtuber-company-ichikara-receives-jpy-1-9b-investment-from-sony-music/
You can see there's a sharp increase on the month of June 2020 probably from the investments but it got muddled back to usual numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622584
sure, that's why the numbers have been stagnant/declining for months, right? your own graph shows it. they'll decrease even more after covid is over for good and more

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622672
Oh I thought you meant just Sony. We don't know their share in the investment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622517
>the fanbase numbers have also been stagnant/declining for months for both companies
For Niji, sure, but Holo? Hell no. Their concurrent viewers are only around Kuzuha level because everyone is streaming at the same time and people just stick to their oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622584
Its free publicity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622517
As much as I hate the controversies behind Hololive these days, but they're all mostly positives. Taiwan Yabe? Accidental. HoloCN graduation? Forced. Coco graduation? Restrictions in the content. Coco had other visions for her streams. They're all nothing big unlike scandals, sexual assaults or etc. But, everything's in the past anyway. Cover is just changing directions into becoming content-friendly and their endgame is Anime, Mangas or Games with HoloAlt. It's a much better direction to have so that everyone in the group is immortalized in their own story/world. Better for merch too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622672
I thought it was their share....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622380
By late 2020 it already the more dominant side in JP, it's just a matter of can they translate it to offline support once covid's gone, for now from their venues against niji you know who's the bigger one locally so holo better grow bigger abroad if they wanna be the top by post pandemic

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622819
hololive is also stagnant/declining. it's nowhere near the level of when EN debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622819
Anon... Everyone's declining

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622859
>endgame is anime which everyone already stopped watching to watch vtubers
so this is the genius of tanigo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622897
I love how nijiniggers have to make stuff like this up because they can't cope with reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622941
>holobronies can't even read their own graphs that they post

[Anonymous No.]

hololive is managed poorly but somehow niji girls are managed even more poorly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
No one knows? It's pretty clear Hololive blew up and stole a good chunk of their market share. The market for female Holos and Nijis isn't exactly the same, but it heavily overlaps. Holostars are so anemic they have no effect on the growth of Niji males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622989
I can read a graph just fine but I think you might be looking at yours upside down

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622897
I think EN stagnated. Not JP themselves. You can tell from the sheer amount of activity, merch and sponsorships they are getting. They have a big thing happening every week. EN can't have that. Only select members are inclining like Gura and Mori. ID improved in numbers because of their new additions like Ollie and Reine. Moona is comparatively better in numbers before the whole PekoMoon thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622989
It's no use bro... just let him praise his comapny

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
>no one knows
bullying and the worst work environment

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622897
>>5622989
>hololive is also stagnant/declining
No it's not.
>pic related
They're actually on track to meet the peak they reached in late November / early December 2020 (when YT changed the way they count Live Viewers)

Source for the data is Holostats

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622897
>>5622915
Are you talking about the chart? If everyone's viewerships go down, then no one's declining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622991
The perception of nips towards Hololive are professional streamers. Nijisanji are hobby streamers. This is how you should see it too. Some niji will take it seriously like Kuzuha but a lot won't because they never had that kind of expectation. Hololive has it on their contract that they have to put out content at least 3 times a week unless there are circumstantial stuff that will prevent you from doing so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623044
Western Vtubing peaked last year in the first few months after EN debuted. Now we have a slow recession and leveling out. Not that it's going to die out or anything, since it's literally just streaming + anime, two very durable entertainment concepts that have proven themselves over time with western audiences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
How much are non japanese viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622897
everyone reclined anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623147
Explain holos who stream like once every two months and take frequent breaks because they have the sads or an ouchy ear or whatever. Real professional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623104
Does Holostats also do 30 day MA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623147
>Hololive has it on their contract that they have to put out content at least 3 times a week unless there are circumstantial stuff that will prevent you from doing so.
Not true btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623104
It's a falseflagger. Ignore him. From both charts, it clearly tells that Hololive had their first huge spike on the first lockdown, second spike on HoloEN's debut and the current spike is the current lockdown. The recline is due to restrictions loosening up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623096
I'm not praising Cover. I just like to shit on delusional nijiniggers who can't accept fact.

[Anonymous No.]

I guess it's over. Covershill smear campaign against Nijisanji was indeed successful. Retard actually believe in bully and black company rrat while real black company with history of covering sexual harassment, ignoring harassed talent, and restricting their talent creative freedom get scot free.

[Anonymous No.]

there is another type of normie number following fags and it's the kpop stans, you guys are little to no different to them, actual cancer

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623183
You're talking about robots there, retard. No one is perfectly healthy. They can't take a break or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623241
Yes the bad guys win in the end. Glad you learned your lesson kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623183
I already said. Circumstantial stuff. Management aren't ditching them since they do provide reasons.

>>5623195
Kiara already mentioned it. She said it's content btw. Not just streaming. It can even be a short clip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623104
>>5623200
>same numbers as january
yep, it's stagnant/declining, cope. the incline right now is also mainly due to coco graduation and the mc festival. it's going to plummet down after coco (and possibly haato as well) leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623184
>Does Holostats also do 30 day MA?
Holostats doesn't do MA at all, these charts are my OC.

>>5623153
>Now we have a slow recession and leveling out
Hololive EN is inclining since may (pic related)

>>5623200
>From both charts, it clearly tells that Hololive had their first huge spike on the first lockdown, second spike on HoloEN's debut
The decline after December 2, 2020 is artificial. Youtube changed the way they count live viewers on December 1 and every single Hololive member almost halved their live viewers from November 30 to December 07.

If it had happened with only a few that would be natural. Every single one, no exceptions? It's algo change

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623175
The steepness of the decline is mostly because Youtube decided to fuck their live views numbers at that exact moment you see on the graph, but there is no doubt the decline is an actual thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Was there a reason for the incline for nijis and sharp recline for holos in March?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623241
That's not even Nijisanji's worst. They literally hired a liver who openly bragged about using date-rape drugs on his personal Twitter and talked about wanting to join an agency to sleep with women easier, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623318
Anon, EN2, VSingers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623210
niji and holo is reclining anon... covid almost over, niji reclining because of apex mostly. and holo mostly reclining except for their top streamers. and who cares about companies, i watch for the talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623281
Another thing to point out is that only Holos get shit for not streaming. The girls that do tend to go on breaks will apologize even if they are valid reasons. It's because of the expectations that this is their work. The ones that are really bad at keeping a sched like Ayame are always shit on and tagged as lazy or something. Niji do not have to apologize. They just stream whenever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623386
>and holo mostly reclining except for their top streamers
That's also not accurate after March.
>pic related
Average live viewers in a clear steep incline since March 2021

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623334
big apex tournaments

[Anonymous No.]

so why don't japanese viewers like hololive more? are they simply ahead of the curve in switching to niji or is there something about jp culture that makes niji better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623372
He literally got fired before he even debut. What the fuck do you even want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621818
In youtube Anon, i found Niji's first, they had more clips at the time, but eventually found Hololive, at first i thought they were independents. i vaguely remember Holo JP gen4 debut, thats when Holo clippers started popping up, i got immersed by Holo's since they felt like a family, that's when i found out they were in an Agency, and the Vtubers i watched before, belonged to Nijisanji. At the time i used to watch both, but the more i watched Nijis, the more i realized that retards were throwing a shade about Holo's whenever they can. How can Holo, a nice and small community get such hatred? Comparing Hololive's comments and Niji's, Hololive is always praising the girls and how close they are. Niji's it's ways how better Niji's are while throwing a shade about Holos.
That's when i stopped watching Niji's my hatred towards Nijifaggots are something else. Never felt this much hatred towards a fandom before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623324
That's what leveling out means, not perfectly flat but stable with minor fluctuation. I will agree that live views do seem to be up a little but VODs are not really changing, I think it's mostly Youtube gradually unfucking their system + maybe a slight real incline. Maybe EN2 will kick off a mini incline arc for everyone if we're lucky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623430
he got fired because the fans found out about it and made a lot of noise

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623430
the problematic part is hiring him in the first place. they don't get cookie points for backing down after being called out

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623334
I think it was Apex hype. Kuzuha was pulling insane Pekora numbers for a few months in early 2021. It seems like the hype is cooling off after NijiApex tournament and he's back to getting Marine/Miko numbers. Kuzuha makes up a large part of Niji's viewers, the dude is legit worth like 20 Niji livers on good days. A lot of other Nijis like Chihiro, Ibrahim, Kanae, and Minato got good numbers playing Apex too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623324
anon you're a true numberfag keep it up! Are you gonna release your dataset or at least put your graphs in a website?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623477
How the fuck do AnyColor know he is a potential rapist. Do you fucking think they have mind reader as their staff or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623429
I don't know what you mean by this but nips still cover the majority of the audience for their top streamers and cash cows like Gen4. Hololive gets more numbers because there are EOPs on top of that. And do you not see the amount of JP companies shilling them? That shows that their analytics that they have a big nip fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623386
Yeah everyone's totally declining and covid ending means people will stop using the internet. Except if you actually pay attention to the numbers of the individual talents like you say that's not what's happening at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623545
It's called a background check.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623550
Nijiniggers have convinced themselves that hololive has no Japanese fanbase at all, it's laughable really.

[Anonymous No.]

numberchads, we grossly underestimated tomoe
records were expected to be broken, but not by such margin
132k$
insane

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623429
Niji is like the "normal" company in japan because weeb is not their only viewers not like holo and nijis humour is hard to get into because you need to at least understand japanese, where holo is the "normal" company in western because holo is easy to get into and their clips everywhere. but overall most of them watch both niji and holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623625
but everyone's declining anon! Covid's ending!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623558
This is why Hololive has been scheduling big events in JP and EN primetime. They are aware that people are busy now with less time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623558
I watched mostly ID girls and their usual viewers declining anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623429
Anon, stop deluding yourself. We're not in 2019 or early 2020 anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623429
for the nips niji is the normie and holo is niche, beyond JP thx to clipfags holo turned the table to their advantage

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623386
>theyre reclining
They went for years with lower numbers retard.
Reclining after a fad stabilizes is normal and expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623625
huh? that's a lot, but fuck susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623603
Nijisanji is like xbox. Very popular in only one country, but might as well not exist on the larger scale. Holo is like sony, very popular globally, but faces extremely tough competition in it's home turf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623649
So they are adapting to changing circumstance like rational actors do? I'm starting to see similarities between numberfag doomers and stock index bears. Same ass backward logic calling for the sky to fall every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623625
to >>5622531
No amount of money is gonna help them incline

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623626
Anon. There are more JP clippers for Hololive than it is for Nijisanji. Explain that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623697
>Reclining after a fad stabilizes is normal and expected.
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623519
>Are you gonna release your dataset
It's Holostats dataset, you can fetch it from them through their json API.
I cobbled up a one liner script with bash + curl + jq, output a CSV, opened it up on Excel 97 and made the charts there.

>or at least put your graphs in a website?
Nah, feel free to put it wherever. I don't do social media (or any site that requires a login). You may find me at the numbers thread tho.

>>5623467
>That's what leveling out means, not perfectly flat but stable with minor fluctuation.
May was their best month after algo change, although it was due Gura shattering the scales and single-handedly skewing the whole average.

I see your point tho, there is no more "geometric growth" for them with regards to either live viewers or subs (pic related for the monthly averages of live viewers).
>except Gura subs

I tried my best to explain that numerically, there is no explanation. She's just blessed by the algorithm with regards to views and VOD views, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623686
Wonder why they're using Youtube instead of a nip streaming service

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623686
just lying now I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623729
they're inclining at steady pace actually in japan but not as explosive as holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623750
>There are more JP clippers for Hololive than it is for Nijisanji. Explain that.
The internet is not real life. Mainstream audience in Japan gets their exposure from local TV, local media, local brands cross promoting, stands on Akihabara and the likes.

No amount of Youtube exposure (specially considering english speaking nips are almost as rare as japanese speaking western) will make up for local exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623686
>>5623714
Are you guys retarded or something? Hololive is getting more sponsors from JP companies. If anything, Nijisanji is mostly getting sponsors from China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623768
Because NND is dogshit for streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623625
$132k superchats doesn't beat Minato or Kagami's Superchat records. Altho getting that much with only a peak viewership of 75k is surprising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623626
>>5623686
>niji "normie"
>holo "otaku/niche"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623827
And yet Hololive does have all of that. Do you live in a cave or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623750
You mean translation to english? or pure japanese sub?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623545
Checking social media is pretty common, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623750
Are you talking bout youtube or nnd? bcuz niji is still the big deal in nnd bcuz niji pays nnd to put them on the front page

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623814
He's not lying. Japs don't know about Hololive. See: that humble Twitch APEX streamer that got blessed by Aqua fanbase attention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuT4g_b1ARM

He didn't have a clue about Aqua, arguably one of the most known Holos since Azur Lane collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623878
Pure Japanese. There's a ton of them making highlights of each stream. I think this is the only reason why the girls aren't making their own highlights for each stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623832
>Mostly
How many sponsors from china again?

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>>5623848
Where did you get that photo of me on that beach?

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>>5623714
I wouldn't even call it extremely tough. Very few of Niji females put up good numbers and the males are an entirely different market that wouldn't start watching Hololive/stars if Nijisanji stop existing tomorrow.

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>>5623876
>And yet Hololive does have all of that.
>>5623832
>Are you guys retarded or something? Hololive is getting more sponsors from JP companies.
For the past 6, 10 months and a lot thanks to Holo EN debut and Holos pulling out of China cornering Cover into doing what they should be doing the whole time
>partnering locally

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623848
Can I get a source on the surfer chad liking Soda?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623923
As many breads you've eaten in your lifetime

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>>5623919
>the only reason
Another reason is that it is time consuming as fuck and they're already busy enough streaming pretty much daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623625
Pretty impressive for a female Niji but it's not 'insane' big. Coco's graduation stream is going to win for sure.

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>>5623919
youtube or nnd?

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>>5623971
>Coco's graduation stream is going to win for sure.
If much that big number is a dare to Coco fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623843
kagami was a bit short of 100k$

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623963
cannot even give some sources...

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>>5623827
My question is, how important is having widespread local exposure if it does not translate into faster sub growth or live viewers?

Sure, some Japanese mom might know what Nijisanji is because they have ads on the chips she buys for her kid, but I don't see how that's useful if neither her or her kid ends up watching them. Or like cool, Nijisanji was on national TV so millions of people saw them, but why haven't we seen these big public appearances translate into explosive viewership or sub increases?

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>>5614335
How is this even calculated? If there are 20 nijis streaming at the same time with a total of 40k live viewers, is that calculated as 2k average viewers? Seems dumb and highly biased towards funneled streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623971
>graduation
possibly, but doesn't make me happy

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>>5623971
Just the accumulation of superchats starting from her graduation announcements already passed Fuwa's 3D debut numbers, but that's a bad comparison since she's already the top superchatted person in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623987
It's in YT. Here is an example https://youtube.com/channel/UCUbAVVpHteGtGQPPN9lM3oQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624020
I'm another anon. I'm just making jojo reference.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT people discussing SC, discussing CCV, Tribalfagging, China bait. Now all it needs is vodview anons and VNUMA images. I declare this the numbers thread.

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>>5623971
From one holofan to another, don't talk shit without knowing the facts. The most Coco has ever gotten in a stream is around $66k.

She might beat it during her graduation stream, but Holo3D streams have never been as explosive as Niji3D debuts in terms of superchats going wild.

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>>5624054
>if it does not translate into faster sub growth or live viewers?
These are numberfag metrics but completely irrelevant for the bottom line either of the girls or the company as a whole.

Both Cover and the girls (whose stable paycheck comes not from SC but from the company) likely made more out of this Family Mart partnership than they made out of SC in the same period (except maybe Lamy, a MONSTER in SC revenue).
They're not running a charity or "in it for the art". The girls have to eat and what pays the bills is the almighty Yen, not how many EOP retards tune in in a given moment

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>>5624136
>I declare this the numbers thread.
I'm still waiting for a proper one to be made. The anon that makes it must certainly be in some other timezone.

This one could die a shameful death in Page 11 for all I care

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>>5624054
Unironically, they’re trying to sell more merch than get viewership.
They sell notebooks, pens, shoes, backpacks, chips, drinks and all that kind of shit with their branding. Kinda like Hello Kitty and Pokémon.
Also sponsorships.

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>>5624054
Virtual Bunkasai hosted by NHK got both Niji and Holos in them. You say merch or convenience store stuff? Both Niji and Holo are in them. It's just relevance to sponsors. Not really to the people. That's why Kizuna Ai still gets sponsored.

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>>5624138
I don't think it matters anyway. Coco is already making 4x the number Fuwa gets on his 3D stream.

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>>5623971
>>5624138

To elaborate more, Hololive's superchats are more about consistency. Coco gets a lot of streams around the 40k to 60k range, whereas most Nijis get something absurd like $90k for their 3D debut and then don't get nearly as much in their regular streams.

If we include merch sales and deduct the youtube/cover cut, I think Coco might get a million out of her 1 month graduation tour from superchats and merch sales.

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>>5623987
>youtube
it is to be expected i guess, because i think there are many jp learners out there(me) that watch jp clippers. and I just noticed that most hololive clippers don't hide their subscriber numbers, pretty big

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>>5624144
Not to mention, foreigners are more likely to buy their merch whenever they visit Japan as compared to Niji.

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>>5624054
Hololive will always have higher viewers numbers than Niji since Hololive has a more global audience than Niji.

That said, higher youtube numbers doesn't mean anything if you're not getting the audience and sponsorships in the country your company is based at.

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>>5624255
They don't have to. Good Smile is taking charge of the design, storage and destribution of their nendos and figmas. You can order them in the GoodSmile US store. They will ship locally across NA.

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>>5624216
>superchat
they got big cuts from cover and susan, so merch will sell better i think, and more money for coco. This also the reason why niji sell so many merchs and monthly voice packs, because no cut from youtube (do this if you want to support coco)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624144
>>5624190
>>5624209

Thanks for reminding me about the sponsor money. I wasn't thinking so much in terms of money, but rather in growth. Like how you normally get better sponsorships is shamefully numberfagging to big companies about how successful you are. In the case of Hololive, the growth in subs and views is so obvious that even a monkey can understand. But for Niji, it seems like it's been mostly stagnant or only the cream of the crop have been seeing significant growth, despite allegedly Niji being much more mainstream in JP.

It's true tho that both companies are making bank from sponsorships and aren't close to closing shop any time soon.

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>>5624306
You say that like they aren’t.
Their rate of sponsorships has seem to be ramping up as of late. Not to mention their Red Bull sponsorship was a huge success just 1 hour into the campaign they sold all stock allocated for a two month campaign.
>>5624348
The massive goodsmile campaign will be huge for them. Very easily accessible merch for foreigners is something Cover has been sorely lacking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5616883
Holostars will never work if they want successful male streamers they need to brand them as Hololive.
It will never happen in the JP branch with the idol gimmick but they can try with EN.

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>>5624306
They are getting more sponsors. Red Bull, Netflix, Family Mart, Gachapon, Tsukomo, Sanrio, Good Smile, Klab, Square Enix, Microsoft, Bushiroad, Molly and a ton of o mobile games and other jp companies like a perfume and eyeglasses.

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>>5624398
>Like how you normally get better sponsorships is shamefully numberfagging to big companies about how successful you are.
I disagree. Case in point
>Botan
Her growth is great but she scores more partnerships than even JP girls above her in numbers and growth.
It must be her image and the breadth of her audience (including Ruskies and all that) that makes her desirable for a certain class of sponsors.
>Luna tho
that certainly was a package deal with Cover
>Hey Microsoft, we lend you Botan but you have to take Luna for a ride too

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623848
Guy on the left could be just an extremely chad otaku tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624432
Holostars is sustainable. They still get sponsors regardless and since there is only a handful of them. Management cost is minimal.

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>>5614335
Where's the holostars and holostars/hololive averaged line?

[Anonymous No.]

explain how holostars can completely fly under the radar when nijiboid gets plenty of attention. surely people aren't this stupid? surely if they know niji male streamers they know holostars exists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624432
It's hard because most of their fanbase are unicornfags but it's certainly possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624606
I guess they are treated as if they are different company

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>>5624306
>That said, higher youtube numbers doesn't mean anything if you're not getting the audience and sponsorships in the country your company is based at.

What? Even if we assume that 50% of HoloJP's audience is overseas (which it's not btw, people in burgerland can't watch Pekora's streams without fucked up sleep schedules), most holomembers still get way better live viewer numbers than the average NijiJP liver who averages 2k viewers. These 2k viewer Nijis still get similar sponsorships as the big guys like Kuzuha and Mito, so clearly audience size is not something that deters sponsorships.

Also, Hololive has been getting an absurd number of japanese sponsorships lately, they're not struggling in that category at all. Wait till HoloEN gets more mainstream and they start getting western sponsorships too, a pool that will take Niji years to catch up on.

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>>5624508
The deal isn't just Botan and Luna. It included the whole Gen5. But Botan is the face of it. A better example of confusion is when Polka got a character for Disgea 6. I mean, why? Botan's image is the gamer lion but choosing her probably tied to her analytics. She probably got more nips that are in the target range that might possibly subscribe to the service.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624618
Niji actually supports their male talents.
Holo doesn't.

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>>5624508
Cover sure loves packaging high tiers with low ones, they are making sure that they don't put all their eggs in one basket while making sure the low tier ones get exposure too. Case in point the netflix watchalong.

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>>5624618
my entry point for holostar content was roberu 3d
i was not impressed

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>>5624696
It's a sandwich really. Just look at that ragnarok anime deal. They were okay to give Pekora and Noel but only if they take Roberu and Aki

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>>5614335
>What caused the stagnation of female Nijis viewership, no one knows
It's pretty fucking obvious. What you're witnessing here is Niji slowly transitioning from being a generalist company to the female equivalent of Hololive, demographics-wise. The fact that NijiEN debut'd with 3 girls instead of 3 guys is proof of Niji's complete utter incompetence as a company. Even Cover wouldn't have made such a stupid mistake in their shoes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624508
>>5624658
Cover seems to be hiring talents who have connections already or were already well known in certain industries.
This was an easy in for Cover getting into the game industry with Botan.

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>>5624618
>explain how holostars can completely fly under the radar
>>5624642
>I guess they are treated as if they are different company
>>5624665
>Niji actually supports their male talents.
>Holo doesn't.
All of that and also
>NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANIME MALE IDOLS
Well, outside of South Korea, but gook "male" idols are more feminine than the Hansons from the burgerland in the 90s

Nijis don't position themselves as "idols", they're regular streamers that happen to have an anime avatar.
Hololive Productions? 100% IDOL

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>>5624696
>Cover sure loves packaging high tiers with low ones,
>>5624738
>They were okay to give Pekora and Noel but only if they take Roberu and Aki
Isn't that fucking great management. Reminds of me Usaken Relay and Botan sandwiching the lower performing girls in between heavy hitters. The end result of the relay ended up being

> 22,621 (avg) / 30,280 (peak) :: Shishiro Botan
> 28,286 (avg) / 34,353 (peak) :: Amane Kanata
> 30,120 (avg) / 35,347 (peak) :: Tokoyami Towa
> 34,130 (avg) / 40,897 (peak) :: Tsunomaki Watame
> 27,300 (avg) / 32,553 (peak) :: Roboco
> 34,469 (avg) / 43,524 (peak) :: Uruha Rushia
> 37,445 (avg) / 43,850 (peak) :: Kiryu Coco
> 32,904 (avg) / 40,504 (peak) :: Omaru Polka
> 43,781 (avg) / 52,177 (peak) :: Sakura Miko
> 41,658 (avg) / 46,886 (peak) :: Ookami Mio
> 38,037 (avg) / 44,718 (peak) :: Shirogane Noel
> 37,066 (avg) / 47,148 (peak) :: Moona Hoshinova
> 64,191 (avg) / 76,921 (peak) :: Usada Pekora:

No momentum lost because no two lower performing girls streamed in sequence

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>>5624665
Nah holo got better handling than niji at the boys segment, its just that holo haven't opened stars to the world just yet

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>>5624804
Notice Roboco between Watame (a MC powerhouse) and Rushia, and then Polka between Coco and Miko.
Genius resource managing by the smartest lion

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>>5624508
Botan's roommate was something of a pro gamer though, right? Could be through industry contacts.

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>>5624804
Yes, its all part of the plan. Including the whole pekomoona arc. Staged beyond the shadow of doubt

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>>5624820
>its just that holo haven't opened stars to the world just yet
but their audience is majority eop
astel viewers are 70%+ overseas

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>>5624853
I mean, she got to talk to Suda of all people about his new game. So for sure she has connections.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624741
Its obvious that niji aren;t that good when they are trailing, just wait until holo blasted them off locally, anycolor will enter panicc mode

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>>5624820
How much more do we need to wait??? most of them are also EOPs, what are they doing???

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>>5624508
I mean, Botan is a golden example of numberfagging to sponsors. Explosive growth + very good consistent viewership + professional and skilled image is great for game-related sponsorships. However, there's many industries that Cover will like to get sponsors for too, like the recent glasses one and anime songs, that are more suited for "idol" types like Fubuki and Aqua. My point was ultimately, it's really easy to see why Hololive has a lot of great talents to sponsor, the numbers back it up. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone past 1 mil subs starts announcing more and more sponsorships this year, these deals take time to negotiate afterall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624874
I think mostly ID. Much like Oga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624741
Anon... they are doing an audition right now

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>>5624967
Anon... reading comprehension.

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>>5624858
>Including the whole pekomoona arc
Nah, from Lapiz Lazuri to Kiara visit to MC server it was 100% organic.
Kiara visit was "scripted" in the sense Moona laid wait and Pekora followed the lead (Kiara was in the dark, it clearly looked like it), everything after that was planned tho to culminate in the PekoMoona collab

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>>5624922
Holofan here, but you're a clown if you think Niji is in any financial trouble. They already made enough money from sponsorship to stay afloat for years and the sponsorships don't appear to be slowing down. They're just constrained onto Japan and struggle to break out to other markets (except China I guess).

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>>5624967
>Debuting guys first instead of girls
They need presence in the market first before doing that, after they saw NijiEN as success they do that immediately, not sure what you mean

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>>5625047
in recent weeks they had so many sponsored streams they basically became unwatchable, its all just shilling
bomberman, some mahjong, google play, sega sonic, some gachashit, monster strike next week

[Anonymous No.]

meant for >>5624993

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>>5625152
They’re really going for another flood the market approach it looks like. There’s wave 2 that was teased on wave 1 promo art, wave 3 which are the new girls auditions and wave 4 which is all guys.

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>>5625047
Of course, that $17M from Sony M is making them stay afloat. The only problem they might face is disappointment from their investors though. Imagine your competitor making more money than you when you were competing with an unfair advantage with that money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625047
they have too much sponsors lately, even today they were doing the sonic thing. So i watched HoloID instead for today

[Anonymous No.]

>>5621818
You are replying to that tribalist nigger schizo faggot lol

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>>5624922
Hololive also rushed to debut Live2D VTubers (gen 1) after Nijisanji introduced them. And Nijisanji only became a thing because Sora popularized live streaming.

The actual truth is that Nijisanji and Hololive are co-dependent. They may compete with each other, but they would be nothing without each other. Nijisanji has moving hands in Niji3D? Hololive introduces moving hands in Home3D. Hololive has dynamic avatars that can look far to the side or up and down? Nijisanji introduces 3.0 Live2D that can do the same thing, improving over their more previously static avatars. That's the nature of healthy competition, they don't destroy each other but they copy each other's strengths.

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>>5625200
>>5625267
Yup, it's pretty funny that they're tanking their live viewers for sponsor money, but I guess money is the end game for the business afterall. Those Google Play games were fucking dreadful and I don't think many people are interested in watching Nijis play monster strike (there's like 10 of them and half of them already only have 1-2k average viewers so it'll probably be in the hundreds).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625152
>They need presence in the market first before doing that
No they don't, the entire market was bent over with its asscheeks spread and they ignored it. All of the western Vtuber industry was watching them (teaser vid got a million views in just a few days) and instead of going for the goalpost sized gap in the market they just released budget Vshojo. Idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625242
Yeah for now we just wait for the 2nd gen(which is this year i think), and for them to find the males. I sometimes visit /asp/ some of them are good actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625267
I still have fun seeing Ngo sperg out when rolling waifus in sponsored gacha kusoge, but yeah those streams don't get a lot of views for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625363
NijiEN reject?
NijiEN reject

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625242
>>5625200
Sounds like bad management to me, I remember when nijiEN debut and they put the timeslot in coco's meme review. that is a really stupid thing to do.
>>5625242
Flooding the market doesn't work if you're not in a position of strength or when the market is already saturated. Hololive already established a brand of quality flooding it will just make niji a bad imitator. Holo strategy right now is expanding the market by targeting the Twitch game viewers and music enthusiast

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625357
for monster strike they made buff pairings so it should not be that bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624763
>Nijis don't position themselves as "idols", they're regular streamers that happen to have an anime avatar.
>Hololive Productions? 100% IDOL
How are Holostars and Nijimales different? Both can collab with female and say dirty jokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625363
>teaser vid
because niji put ads on their video so they can reach million views. and even if they notice niji most of them already watch holo, so eh i think it works out a little

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625410
>NijiEN reject
Nah, just a consumer. Did they even ever open the auditions to men?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625504
They're having male auditions right now:
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1405706837660295173

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625363
Most of the views from that trailer were bought through ads.
Everyone watching Hololive were getting those ads.
Between hours 24 and 48 they got 50k views on it and then they started the ad campaign and it ballooned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
Pretty sure the main problem is market oversaturation. There are literally hundreds of Nijis, nobody can't watch all that. There's a limit to the amount of core viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625427
>Twitch game viewers
They irrationally hate weebs more than /a/ irrationally hates anitubers.
>music enthusiast
You must be a delusional deadbeat because nobody else would think that Hololive has any muscial appeal for people who don't already watch Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625474
The average hololive fan will probably not watch holostars because they're looking for cute girls playing games and having a guy changes the vibe whether it's for the better or not.

Imagine watching a all-girl show like K-ON or Love Live and there's dudes as recurring characters. Doesn't make the show better or worse specifically, but the vibe is different. Fubuki and Matsuri are the only holos that collab often with Holostars and their viewership is like halved every time. It's a good thing neither of them are numberfags so they keep doing it.

Niji watchers go for a different, mixed gender vibe like a normal anime. Also, Holostars aren't allowed to make dirty jokes when collabing with females I think. They were sweating pretty hard that time HoloID tried to tell them some dick jokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625669
Matsuri is a numberfag and can’t take criticism. Which is always why it’s amazing she does what she does.
Stars are only like that around HoloLive members. They know how batshit crazy their fanbase can be if they say the wrong thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625393
I like her design a lot actually but never really watch her, any recommended clips?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625736
I feel like if Matsuri is a numberfag, she'll ditch streaming Apex even if she loves the game. Idk if she'll get better numbers playing minecraft or FOTM, but her Apex numbers are way lower than her 1 mil sub peers in HoloJP. I think holofans just aren't very interested in Apex since Towa gets pretty bad Apex numbers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625752
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YsOnIl3Qlwg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ANjn7k6y0

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625916
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625752
https://youtu.be/GoW1ETCXT9U

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>>5625474
>How are Holostars and Nijimales different?
Hololive fans got "onboarded" in the whole thing with
>cute anime girls saying n̶i̶g̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ cute things
and that's what most of the Hololive audience expects.

Nijis got streamers (male or female) streaming stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
damn its been a while yea, i remember the days when niji's dominate any holo threads and shows how famouseses they r in japon

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625274
I have my reasoning, it didn't came from nowhere Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624648
>so clearly audience size is not something that deters sponsorships.
It doesn't deter sponsors because the point is to pay people to shill. What does change is the amount of money they have to pay to get a shill going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625812
>Towa
>Bad Apex numbers
Not really, anon-kun.
In fact, it's kinda increasing (thanks to tourneys) compared to Matsuri's (where it becomes a debuff)

[Anonymous No.]

>Lulu is capped on growth
I'm not sure why this bothers people. She was. Why stay in an industry that she can't progress or evolve in?

[Anonymous No.]

OP, do your statistics reps. It makes no sense to compare the average viewership between those two since Niji is structured completely differently. It's a bit like if we compared total viewers between Niji JP and Holo JP where Niji could have a slight edge, simply because they have more than 100 livers.

If you want a comparison that will tell you anything you could try looking at the average viewers for the top 10 livers of each company (where Holo will still lead because no Niji girl ever gets Pekora, Marine or Miko numbers but the gap is going to be smaller), but even that won't tell you the whole story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5620186
Well, this couple play debuff games all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
>What caused the stagnation of female Nijis viewership, no one knows.
Seems pretty obvious to me. A lot of the people who only cared about girls simply went to Hololive which is mostly an all-girls enviroment that panders to them. Instead of dealing with all the cross-gender interactions you see in Niji.
Meanwhile all the male Nijis inclined hard because nobody gives a fuck about Homostars and there's no other real competition except a couple of people like ShibuyaHAL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5626955
>May
Top ten JP averages
>Hololive: 17728
>Nijisanji: 11339
For shits and giggles
Top ten averages for hololive JP with Pekora, Miko, and Marine giving 0 views but are still counted in the top ten, meaning the top 7 with 3 zeros
>Hololive: 12404

It's actually a slaughter.

NOTE: This is all before Coco's graduation announcement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623442
I had a similar experience too.
Started with hololive clips on youtube and didn't know they where a group. Eventually came across Nijisanji clips and watched those too. At that time I thought everyone was independent like regular streamers, but with anime avatars.
After reading the comments I understood they where groups. And I saw the tendency on one side to talk about how Nijisanji was better, bigger and more successful than Hololive.
Decided to stay on the Hololive side because the comments where mostly positive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5627584
To add to this if you compare all of HoloJP to the top ten of Nijisanji it is more comparable.
>HoloJP average: 10143
>Nijisanji average: 11393

So there you have it. Nijisanji wins by averages if you compare their top 10 livers to the entirety of HoloJP.

[Anonymous No.]

The only number that matters is revenue, and by extension total views and total unique views to try and guess.

>Hololive
Jan: 243m
Feb: 222m
Mar: 214m
Apr: 229m
May: 226m
Till today: 213m

>Nijisanij
Jan: 281m
Feb: 242m
Mar: 224m
Apr: 249m
May: 267m
Till today: 192m

We'll find out next month after Cover's financial report how much they earned on what's probably going to be their biggest year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5628157
>The only number that matters is revenue,
Shouldn't itbe
>revenue / employee
I assume payroll must be one of the largest expenses these companies have and Niji has more employees both in the revenue and in the expense columns of their account

[Anonymous No.]

>>5628157
It's going to be their biggest year and it's not even going to be funny how much their growth will be compared to their Y-o-Y.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5627584
>Top ten averages for hololive JP with Pekora, Miko, and Marine giving 0 views but are still counted in the top ten, meaning the top 7 with 3 zeros
>>Hololive: 12404
I guess all those cries about how Marine and Pekora are carrying Hololive past Nijisanji are full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Here are some more numbers with added context, which are left unlabelled to weed out the numerically illiterate retards

>Data comes from Holostats
>Chart and analysis is OC

Hololive, YT live viewers December 2 "nerf" and all is already on the same live viewer 7 day average they reached in the Aug 2020 peak (the "Fall Guys" / "5th gen debut" era)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5628481
>Niji paying their employees

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
>What caused the stagnation of female Nijis viewership
Guarantee it's oversaturation. Way too many female vtubers and not enough demand to go around. You can see they really started to decline around the EN debut when vtubing was at it's peak demand but also every girl and their mother wanted to step into the scene. If Nijisanji tried to break the English market first they might have had some huge strides but they were way too late.
Male vtubers is a largely untapped market from the bigger names. Mostly because it is a much harder market to break into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5629056
Hololive Gen 5 broke in around that time and don't do nearly as well as thier predecessors. The market is oversaturarated even for Hololive.

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>>5629148
>Hololive Gen 5 broke in around that time and don't do nearly as well as thier predecessors
By which objective metric. Can't possibly be subs, live viewers or sponsorships unless you are comparing exclusively with the heaviest hitters of Gamers, Gen 3 and 4.

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>>5625200
>Niji goes into a sponsorship drought
>"Niji isn't getting any sponsorships! They're finished!"

>Niji is showered with sponsorships
>"Niji is all shilling! They're unwatchable!"

[Anonymous No.]

Suisei is in a massive incline, both in subs and in Live viewers and will end up catching up with Miko very soon.
That's one of Hololive strengths, there is always some of the girls breaking through and lifting the tide for all others

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>>5629233
Yes, the trend is downwards. They aren't nearly as good as the company average and subs mean nothing.

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>>5629540
No one wants to be in hololive anymore. If there were some Gen 6 recruitment announcements I bet they wouldn't even get 10k applicants.

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>>5629476
I wouldn't bring her up right now considering she couldn't even break 50k on that 3D karaoke with Nene. What happened? Why does no one want to watch hololive 3D streams, holobros?

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>>5624136
Vnuma is dead right now so don't expect any images anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5629787
The Gen 3 and 4 Mario kart collab was on.

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>>5629540
>They aren't nearly as good as the company average
I don't know anon
>Botan is consistenly anove
>Lamy straddles the line

The other two only fell below the JP average in the past few months and I attribute that more to not being part of the latest trends (live shows, Micra streams, Kensetsus) that propped up other members up.

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>>5629787
>she couldn't even break 50k on that 3D karaoke with Nene
Busy schedule in the timeslot, with Coco graduation and the collabs that ensued.

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>>5629607
sure bronie, bet you really work in the industry

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>>5629787
you are trying to hard nijinigger

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>>5626955
>It's a bit like if we compared total viewers between Niji JP and Holo JP where Niji could have a slight edge, simply because they have more than 100 livers.
Fun fact, Hololive moggs nijisanji in this department too.

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>>5629056
>Mostly because it is a much harder market to break into.
The market isn't harder to break into so much as it is that demographics aren't there. Men who watch men play video games don't care if the man's face is at all visible so having a VTuber avatar adds no value and they have greater flexibility on general variety if they simply facecam. The only alternative market is male idols and that is pretty much 100% controlled by Kpop bands.

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>>5626955
maybe stop spitting so much chuubas if you dont want to have shit stats

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>>5626955
Where's that table that shows the total views for NijiJP and HoloJP that shows Holos having like more registered views with a fraction of the available talent?

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>>5630178
The top ten Nijisanji livers do better than the hololive average.

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>>5629607
>No one wants to be in hololive anymore. If there were some Gen 6 recruitment announcements I bet they wouldn't even get 10k applicants.
It doesn't matter how soulless the company is and how awful it treats its talents, there will always be a lot of applicants who are after huge amounts of money and fame. Meanwhile most of the people who want to have fun and do weird and crazy things will go to Nijisanji, where they might have to work a second job but at least they'll get their freedom.

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>>5630577
>where they might have to work a second job but at least they'll get their freedom.
IMAGINE BEING POOR
>IMAGINE BEING POOR ON PURPOSE
IMAGINE SQUANDERING YOUR TALENT INSTEAD OF SELLING IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER

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>>5630577
Nijisanji has gone a long long time since adding JP talent.

>fame
Hololive doesn't make you famous and the money isn't amazing.

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>>5630495
>Top ten
>Better than Hololive avg

Anon, only, at best, top 3 do better than Holos avg.

[Anonymous No.]

Is VNUMA down for everyone else, or is it just me?

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>>5630687
The average for all of Cover's vtubers is barely 7k. The average for the top 10 Nijisanji is 11k. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

Welp, entire site down, numberfags are going to be in this thread

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>>5630639
Unless you're the type of talent who really wants the money and fame, there's no point in selling your talent to the highest bidder if they're just going to neuter your content and prevent you from doing what you enjoy. Amazing people like Haachama, Polka, and Oga are wasted on Hololive, their creative voices stunted by rules and the company's obsession in adhering to a uniform feel.

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>>5630728
Maybe we should argue numbers we make up instead.

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>>5630716
read the thread and deal with it nijibronie

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>>5630309
Pretty much, if you look at the most viewed male streamers on Twitch it's obvious looks aren't what get guys their viewers so soft uwu anime boi is only going to appeal to fujoshits and Western ones don't give two shits about Japan

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>>5630686
>Hololive doesn't make you famous
When you have your face plastered across a billboard that's pretty famous

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>>5630716
Read the thread nijinigger and cope harder

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>>5630736
yeah better go to become another literally who in a company with over 100 chuubas that dont give a shit unless you are top performer or a friend of one.

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>>5630736
Those ones usually has <100 viewers and would announce hiatus to find a job irl which is a shame

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>>5614335
>that Niji female line
Damn, looks like the Idolfags were right about male collabs.

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>>5630788
its not your face.

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>>5630402
>>5630178

>>5628157
Someone already posted the views. Holo has 1/3rd the streamers but uploads 1.5x more than Niji which stacks up because of the high average.

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>>5625200
Anon, even the holos have been doing shilling streams lately
https://youtu.be/aBMlZz-udo8
https://youtu.be/0TOn9tRBT2I
https://youtu.be/f2iw5HqyxgQ
https://youtu.be/SA6JuFr9ccQ
The difference is that the only niji with noticiable views on the shilling is Tokyo Ghoul.

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>>5623930
Nice sunglasses my man

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>>5631005
How do you explain Tomoe, a Nijisanji female, getting the second-highest superchat revenue in a vtuber stream ever, beating out Kagami's 3D and every Hololive stream and only falling behind Fuwa's 3D?

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>>5630736
Anon, you are thinking from the SIMP perspective of a customer / consumer. Of course you would rather Haachama to have full creative freedom and stream for an audience of 19 (yourself included)

I want her to succeed, make lots of money, get lots of sponsorships, experience and industry clout so one day she can leave it all behind with her pockets full of money, all the contacts in the industry she needs to succeed at her dream of being a VA and millions of subscribers thankful for the nuggets of genius in the middle of the dredge of hard serious work.
Wishing your oshi would be free but poor and unsuccessful is silly as fuck

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>>5631141
There is a lot of love in the Nijisanji community for that sort of thing. Averages, trends, and totals are something completely different though.

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>>5631288
Here is "Haachama Alter", a literally who that quit doing what's necessary to succeed at the struggle and now he plays for a failed band in some corner bar in Cornfield, Iowa (probably),

Talent without hard dull work leads to just that, unemployment and doing an even shittier job after you waste your chance at success

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>>5631433
Oh shit, I remember equals 3, wasn't that the most watched video series back in 2011 or some shit?

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>>5631288
Why would you wish anything for your oshi except what they themselves want? He already qualified with "unless you're the type of talent who really wants the money and fame". If they want to be free but have to work normally, that's up to them.

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>>5631141
Nijisanji enjoyers save their superchats for big events like this, for some reason.

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>>5631141
It's pointless anyway. She'll just return to obscurity after the buff ends. It's just like a numbers thread, people only watch who's the highest number on that day and forget about it the next day. What matters is that Coco is still top superchatted in the world and there's nothing Niji is gonna do bout it. That throne stays with her even after she graduates.

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>>5631585
For like a month before Rushia takes it from her

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>>5631585
After Coco graduates her numbers won't matter anymore so no, fuck off. Also graduation tour numbers don't matter and graduation stream numbers don't matter.

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>>5631466
>wasn't that the most watched video series back in 2011
Yep, most subscribed youtuber too. All down the drain because
1) He got tired of doing the hard work necessary to success
2) He thought "rules are for suckers", and got sued by copyright owners that killing his company in the court of law over using videos without written authorization

Pewds had the work discipline to succeed, streamed pretty much daily for 10 years balancing having some fun with 90% of putting in the work he had to pull and he's not a millionaire that can do whatever he wants with full creative freedom and zero concern about money

>>5631488
>Why would you wish anything for your oshi except what they themselves want?
Because nobody really wants to be poor and the alternatives for talented people are
> hard work, discipline and success
> creative freedom, risk taking and an almost guaranteed chance of failure

I care for Haachama like a daughter, and that's why I wish success for her instead of failure and poverty

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>>5631680
> he's **now** a millionaire

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>>5631585
Did you just not read what he's replying to?

>Niji females are dying
>Who's donating to Tomoe then?
>Doesn't matter, Coco is most superchatted anyways

And how do you even reconcile saying that the throne stays with her forever when it's going to be gone like a month or two after she graduates? It's like saying Fuwa's 3D is forever going to have the throne of most superchatted when it's going to inevitably be broken unless vtubing goes the way of the dinosaurs.

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>>5620186
so you won't watch if her numbers go down. holy fuck holofans are retarded

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>>5631730
Nijisanji females are trending downwards and one of the biggest ones is graduating. This is the truth. One had an amazing live today but that doesn't buck a trend.

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>>5630686
Yeah, getting more subs than 99% of vtubers before you even debut isn't enticing at all.

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>>5631680
>Because nobody really wants to be poor
No one is comparing whether you would rather they be poor or rich. Everyone wants their oshi to be rich+free, the question is whether it's worth sacrificing what they want to do to get rich.

You're also clearly painting not being free in a way better light than the argument is trying to make by pretending it's just "hard work and discipline". Would you really rather your oshi work fishing dead bodies making 150k a year vs a 60k a year comfy office job?

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>>5631288
>if you act like a customer who wants the content as you prefer then you're a simp
>if you larp as a father who "knows what's best" for an anime png girl and numberfags on behalf of a corporation for that reason then you're a ???

Not even mentioning that Haachama is the worst example you could pull out about this since her branding and popularity skyrocketed due to her weirdass edgelord content currently being restricted by Cover. By all means Holo is a good way to make money, but I don't think you couldn't pick any worse example.

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>>5631623
Kek, when you say it like that, there's still rushia who's still earning passive income and is behind Coco. Not to mention, the other Holos that trails behind them. How long would it take for those that had a 3d debut of "wow $130k+" to reach them? Just face it, there's really nothing for them after their 3D debuts afterwards. Some holomembers could reach this numbers within months through memberships+superchat alone.

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>>5631141
Good for her. Tell me when she breaks 10k average views and she will added to the list of Nijisanji females that average more than the average hololive member does.

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>>5631812
Once Mito graduates, that is it for females at the top of Nijisanji. It does look like a demographic change, a seismic one at that.

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>>5620186
I-is this a bit? Please tell me you're joking. I thought numberfagging is just "yeah we calculate numbers" instead of "we only like chuubas if their numbers big"

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>>5631881
>the question is whether it's worth sacrificing what they want to do to get rich.
That's not even a question.

>Would you really rather your oshi work fishing dead bodies making 150k a year vs a 60k a year comfy office job?
These are not the options being put ahead here, it is more like
>would you rather to be a singer and songwriter working a second job as a barkeep while waiting for your big break or to be part of a boy band managed by Simon Cowell for some 5 years until you have enough money to go solo
Some 1000 retards are to this day barkeeping in LA and Nashville and Miami waiting for their talent to be recognized while Justin Timberlake spent his past 10 years swimming with some whores and sniffing coke out of Nelly Furtado belly button due to his years on NSync
Again, it's not even a serious question

>>5631888
>her branding and popularity skyrocketed due to her weirdass edgelord content
True. I doubt she would get a Family Mart sponsorship and a Good Smile figurine if she kept up with that content tho.

Having an audience for your antics is not as important as having an audience that actually buy what you are selling. I'll point to Botan again >>5624508 to highlight someone that is doing it just right

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>>5632111
No. Some days Marine is my favorite, some days Pekora is my favorite, and some days Kuzuha is my favorite. I only like the strongest livers.

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>>5632175
Go find a dwarven liver, those are the strongest

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>>5631141
Before this, I've used to watch her streams but never go into it. She was around 3k viewers at the time. So, it was never understood how someone with low view numbers to get 130k along with Fuwa. Fuwa's apex stream at the time I saw him was around 2-5k iirc? His 3D hands got 15k though. Yeah, Idk who keeps raining akasupas at them. I don't want to believe in any conspiracy theory about Ichikara distributing money to their workers to rain superchats on them with alt accounts until there's clear evidence of it. Both debuts were really suspicious.

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>>5632043
Mito is the only female in Nijisanji that get's higher than the average female hololive member.

[Anonymous No.]

Despite having 3 times the talents and releasing double the amount of videos each week, Niji still struggles to keep up with Holo each week in terms of new views. This is for the JP side.

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>>5632111
i dont like vtubers

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>>5632170
No, those options are more similar than whatever you're on. Why are you beginning with the assumption that everyone is simply waiting for their big break? Why do you assume 10 years doing whatever you want is even worth being a slave and overworked for 5 years?

For those 1000 people, they would obviously choose the latter. But you're ignoring the 500 bar owners who already see their bar as whatever they want to do. If you asked them to go be part of a boy band for 5 years why in the hell would they ever do that?

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>>5614335
Nijisanji became the fujo and yumesis brand while hololive became the idol brand

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>>5632309
Quality > Quantity as always. Nothing beats one good item against 20 chink copypasted item.

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>>5614335
>Nijimale's viewership as a whole is actually slowly growing
No it's not, it's been stable for the last 4/5 months

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>>5632429
I was once young and naive too anon. Then I grew up, stopped being poor and realized not being poor beats being poor regardless of the amount of work you need to put in.
People should try not being poor sometimes to taste the other side to have a good frame of reference.

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>>5632488
My favorite quality Vtuber is Mel, Choco, Anya and Iofi. What's yours?

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>>5631141
Isn't she a lesbian? Of course male collabs won't affect her

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>>5632170
To be entirely honest Haachama is one of the few (only?) Holomen I suspect is not actually being better off in Holo, at least in the long term. But that remains to be seen until we know for sure whether she graduated this year or not.

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>>5614611
>Amassed over $200k in two years in just Superchats
Now account for the youtube and nijisanji cut. She would be lucky to have 25-30% of that amount, $50-60k, which would be $25-30k per year before income taxes
Even fucking Luna has twice her amount in less time

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What a lot of you retards don't understand is that the biggest hurdle to success is getting more than 5 people giving you the time of day. Hololive will get you that. If you don't like it then graduate, you will have enough interest after that if you want to spread your wings. No one holds out for Nijisanji or hololive, they often pounce on the first thing that let's them get out of 2 view hell.

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>>5632309
Btw, the powerbalance bot doesn't total new views on older videos. The view totals for the past half year gone through by hand for only JP is >>5628157.

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>>5632572
By that weird logic, Miko and Kanata collabing with males should not hurt them since they've acted like they're only interested in other women.

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>>5632694
>Miko and Kanata
Business yuri doesn't count

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>>5632170
With this logic Coco is being completely unreasonable in pushing for her freak asacoco content and should stick to tried-and-true, EOP-popular reddit meme reviews, and arguably her graduation is even a positive net for Cover as it relieved them of a content creator unfriendly to both (mainstream) Western and Chinese market. True?

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>>5632531
You can be rich, and realize that being rich isn't actually that much better for your happiness than being lower-middle class?

If you're 3rd world SEA and suddenly become middle class in the west then I can see how you have that view, but going from like 6 to 7 digits in savings really hasn't done much of anything for my lifestyle.

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>>5632619
>not actually being better off in Holo
Yeah, maybe.

Having a steady income, a legal department, a 3D studio, a staff organizing concerts and establishing partnerships, your name in a big poster in Akihabara adverstising your concert and your (virtual) face on every Family Mart in the country is fine
But it could be worthy to be able to trade all that for the privilege of
>to post depictions of self harm, decapitation and mutilation complete with guts and blood on Youtube of all places for a couple of weeks until even your oldest audience gets tired of that and move on

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632694
I'm talking about real lesbians, not play pretend on stream. Do you believe Noel and Flare are together too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632764
Not sure what kind of streams she'll pursue but that's something to be seen in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632243
bronycope

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>>5632764
>True?
False. Moderation is key to everything, they both straddled the line and it was fine until they pushed a little bit further than what's actually permissible
For Coco, it was likely the drug references. For Haachama, some of the more explicit gore and the implications of self harm and suicide. I don't really think it is "creative stiffing" to request streamers to avoid crossing certain lines that can get them in trouble down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632786
I think Flare and Noel are good friends but it is 100% obvious that Flare wants an actual boyfriend is coping with being a lonely 30 something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633013
>coping with being a lonely 30 something.
That's like being an elderly by nip standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632908
>I don't really think it is "creative stiffing" to request streamers to avoid crossing certain lines that can get them in trouble down the line.
It's not, but Cover went overboard anyway. Coco makes some suicide and drug references in Asacoco? Asacoco gets fucking shut down. Haachama includes some gore and suicidal themes in her lore video? No more fucking lore videos. Why do they have to restrict EVERYTHING including the harmless stuff instead of just warning not to do the bad thing?

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>>5632908
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Based on the logic that market access and income should necessarily override personal creative freedom, Coco was wrong for pushing more content freedom to management and her graduation is her fault and mistake primarily, and in fact is a good thing for Cover in net that she graduates, as not only they're able to maintain their moderation rules they're also able to open themselves to family-friendly Western and Chinese market without a "problematic" content creator. This is the only possible natural conclusion if you accept the logic in the first place.

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>>5632488
>Quality
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633113
She still has her lore videos stuff up. She can still bring up lore videos but anything that resembles gore and suicide is out of the question. Her last episode probably crossed the line and had to be remade again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5628157
Any word on AnyColor's financial report? The last one I saw that they released was probably fake because it showed like 32m yen profit, so there is no way that is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614778
/thread

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>>5633113
>No more fucking lore videos.
Her lore videos are up and she was able to do the finale. Only without the gore, implied suicide and self harm which both because of Youtube and because Japan's own "self harm" culture would land her in trouble down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633470
bronycope

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619265
They weren't even close when all three were still around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633470
How do you only make a $288k profit with an operation that big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619265
>roa
anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619690
>there's no rabbit involved

[Anonymous No.]

>>5619265
>Roa gone (muh pattented accent)
Saying "deyo" at the end of your sentences is not a real accent. Imagine what happened if Hololive got a gen 6 and one of the members suddenly started saying "peko" at the end of all of her sentences, not even just when imitating Pekora but treating it as part of her identity, then falsely claiming that she grew up saying "peko" and it's part of an accent where she came from. That's what Meiro did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633817
And there is a reason everyone hates Meiro outside of holobronies on this basket weaving forum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634011
Meiro's roommate sent her fans to harass Noel's roommate after Meiro's roommate copied her stream style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622454
>>5622672
imagine being these companies and realizing you backed the wrong horse just a few months later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632170
Haachama already have a nendo in line

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632563
I like Sora, Azki and Robocco

[Anonymous No.]

>let's talk about

No

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624696
It's a pretty smart way to have all the girls included in sponsorships.
This way even the lower performing girls are able to make good money and stay with the company longer instead of the high performers thriving and the low performers starving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634393
Why are you even here then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623827
Niji got those because Cover is retarded and is only just now figuring out how to work with other companies. reminder that Hololive is doing the ED for the Jahy anime. you're going to be seeing a lot more partnerships like that in the near future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614335
I've watched and heard about Tomoe's debut and her gimmicks. Good for them on pandering all kinds of people in the world, but they're attracting the wrong group of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634871
The only things you should hear and watch is her absolutely amazing singing voice and she getting lovey dovey with Sukoya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634723
Was cover really even working with companies before the holocaust? They seem to have gotten a lot of industry contacts through companies they got permissions from.

[Anonymous No.]

5 members, one of them is due to graduate still just over 500k...
Is Gura that unique to get 1mil by this time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635566
Topic is about average viewership between Nijis. Less relevant to Holos since they're dominating. Get out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634723
>Niji got those because Cover is retarded and is only just now figuring out how to work with other companies.
No disagreement here

>>5635351
>Was cover really even working with companies before the holocaust?
JEJ, no, they were not even working with THEIR OWN FUCKING SELVES. The whole operation was pretty much
>give the girls a smartphone and the software
>let them do whatever for the glory of Satan
>hope for venture capital to fund the software business with the girls are glorified proofs of concept for it