/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Now that they've all sung, what are your thoughts on holoEN's singing?

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>>56028777
My thought is autobanning all tier list threads

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your c tier is rage bait wtf

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
Putting Shiori that high is a insult

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>>56028777
Fauna and Calli both need be up a tier

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>>56028777
The sad thing is Kronii could be A tier if she pushed herself or management shoved a boot up her ass. Still, list is spot on.

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
Gura has technique and soul Irys and Nerissa just has technique

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My teir list

- GOOD TEIR -

1. Captain Falcon - he's jsut so kool and he can be liek FLACON PUNCH!

2. Link - a lot of people complain about link well they are stupid he might be slow but hes strong

3. Ganonondroft - if u select him and press x it makes him lok liek george washington and it will distract people they will b like omg im fighting george washington and they will lose

4. Jigglypuff - shes so cute nobody wants to hurt her so u will win

5. Sonic - he can run so fast that u cant even barely see him u only have like a second when hes right in front of u to see him but then he alredy pnched u do its already to late to do anything about it.

6. Yoshi - with yoshi if u keep pressing b and left or right it keeps turning him into an egg and he is invinsible!!! uber cool :D

7. Samus - her armor makes her pretty much unstoppable if someone hits u it doesnt even hert because of the armor

8. pokeman ranger - he has 3 pokemon thats 3 times the lives so it takes even longer too kill you

9. Mario - mario has a really good b down he uses the water attack and you can just push people off the edge with it then they they will fall off and die

10 / 11. Ness and Lucas - they are the same thing so they get the same rank, they are both pretty cool and they can jump really high when people try to attack them they can just jump over them and the other person will feel stupid its all about the mind games.

12. Shiek - shiek is pretty cool hes 2 characters in 1 even though zelda is a lot crappier.

13. Ike - he has that b and down attack if u know how to press both the buttons at once alls you have to do is keep using that and nobody can hit u because they know it will just hit them instead.

14. Peach - everyone knows its pointless to even try to fight her because she can just make the peaches appear and eat them and it will save her

15. Luigi - if u no how to time the b and side move correctly u can knock people out in 1 hit

16. Bowser - hes big and strong and th

17. Zero Suit Samus - most people will be distracted when fighting her cuz shes hot lol it doesnt even matter than she has all crappy moves

18. Zelda - if ur not good as zelda press b and down to turn into shiek and you will be better

19. Fox - he has a gun and alls you have to do is keep shooting people and theres nothing they can do about it

20. Olimar - hes a pikiman so hes really small and its almost impossible to hit him i can never do it but i think my brother might have once

21. Toon Link - hes way faster than regular link but hes also a lot weaker plus his a and down move in the air stinks because if u accidentally do it off the edge u die.

22 / 23 Wolf / Falco - they are the same thing well their guns are a lot slower than foxes which is why they are a little lower but its pretty much the same technicque.

24. Pit - Fly up in the air and nobody can hit u, they will eventually get bored and just jump off the cliff because they know its impossible.

25. Kirby - his b and down move is powerful and makes him invinsible, just keep doing it over and over.

26. Ice Climbers - kinda like pokeman ranger, he has 2 lives so thats twice as many lives

27. Pikachu - most people will not kill pikachu because they remember waching the tv show as a kid and it would make them feel bad.
DuckyIs1337 (Topic Creator)14 years ago#2
- BAD TEIR -

28. Diddy kong - his only good move is the one where he flys around shooting things but to bad its so hard to figure out how to do it

29. Donkey kong - not muich to say, hes just not strong enough

30. Lucario - ehs pretty muich the same as mewtwo which is a pretty crappy character.

31. Wario -

32. Marth - just a rip off of ike, only weaker and slower

33. ROB - his laser, HIS ONLY GOOD ATTACK only works sometimes! WTF!

35. Mr. Game and Watch - its like fighting a stick figure... its so easy...

36. Dedede - none of his attacks ever hit because hes so slow and when they do hit its like no damage... so weak...

37. Snake - all his attacks are explosives which shows how weak he is hes so weak he has to use grenades and rocket launchers instead of his fists like most of of other characters do

38. Metal Knight - so over rated every 1 says his b attack is good but it really doesnt do much and if u press b and up sometimes it goes the wrong way its impossible to control if u win with him its just luck no skill at all

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>>56028777
this tierlist is terrible

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>>56028777
Fuwamoco did the best karaoke I ever seen.
As for tier list? Just why, as most people will organize it in a way to pick their favorites I think, more than anything else.

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>>56029646
>Just why
Trying to make up some holo vs holo blood feuds

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Tier list thread? Cool. (I haven't updated mine for Advent yet)

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>>56028777
I think the twins and Gura should swap and Kiara is a B tier.

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For now, I'd drop Biboo into an in between tier.

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
Good list, but people will shit on it because the people on this board have meme-rotted brains and have convinced each other that singing is only good if it's bad.

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ame is S (soul) tier

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>>56029646
I like Noel's karaoke more than half of this list but I'm not retarded to put her above most of them

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>>56028777
>bae
>better than kiara
pfft haahahahha

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>>56028777
Put Mori in D tier.
Put Shiori in F tier.
Memory hole Sana.

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>>56030819
Bae’s EP slaps, as the youth are wont to say.

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>>56029646
>As for tier list? Just why
To try to create animosity between fanbases.

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>>56029153
fauna needs to be lowered a tier

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>>56028777
Mumei and Kiara should be one tier higher, the rest I can agree

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>>56028777
irys has the least soul of any singer i've ever heard in my life. literal vocaloids have more personality in their singing.

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>>56028777
Mostly agree. Listening to Biboo now she has a very cute singing voice I think with some lessons and lots of reps she could be A tier at least.

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>>56028777
fuwawa can’t sing shit, she’s literally ame tier. mococo, yeah seems right.

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>>56031341
Good list.

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>>56028777
Shiori should be on her own in F tier. If you want to hear some banshee screams then go listen to her karaoke lol

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>>56029159
Kronii has an unpleasant voice.

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028916
fp actually bp

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
i feel like calli rapping and calli singing should be two different tiers.

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>>56030365
Gura is B level, but put her higher because people like her, or enjoy it. In the end people pick their favorite streamers and move them higher than justified

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>>56028777
Switch mumei and mori. Then put biboo to lowest tier.

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>>56028777
gura too high, only irys and nerissa top tier

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Nerissa down
We all heard her live singing, not good

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>>56028777
After that first karaoke, Nerissa should definitely be lower.

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>>56028777
D is the SOVL tier category, I love my goose-honking women

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>>56031341
Look, i love my oshi, but ame has generally gotten better than fauna, fauna is not good.

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>>56028777
C is a powergap because prolonged exposure to D and F will cause hearing loss and brain damage.

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>>56033534
Nothing quite like someone who sounds terrible but is putting their all into it. Always the most fun karaoke to watch

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>>56028777
>Bae
Is this bait?

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>>56033766
I've literally never enjoyed Ame singing while Fauna karaoke is always a blast even if shes terrible. Granted I haven't heard Ame sing in probably a year or more but unless she has improved dramatically I can't see her being better.

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>>56032638

Gura just sings cutely but she doesn't particularly have the best technique. Calli is far more creative musically speaking and nobody has her rap skills in EN. Bijou is also near top tier or at least around Mumei's level. FuwaMoco too

Irys and Nerissa are the best overall singers, with Kiara,Mumei and Gura being in the middle.

Kronii,Fauna and Ina are at the bottom tier. Haven't heard Shiori sing.

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>>56033953
Ame still sucks at singing but she did work on her most glaring issues. Still Noel tier, just less ear rape

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>>56028777
if it's singing skill alone, and not song selection.. gura and shiori are too high in the list.

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>>56028777
Do not overrate Gura

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>>56033391
she was rushed and nervous and still sounded amazing, her raw skill is unmatched and she just needs to get comfortable with live singing
>Verification not required.

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>>56028777
Irys, Fuwamoco and Mumei(actually trying mode) are the only good ones. The rest range from ok to bad.

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>>56034531
In terms of little things in the music that we cannot easily quantify, like why a girls singing voice is more suited/pleasurable than another girls voice, like trying to explain why the twins are so damn good in karaoke, then I can then understand the S. We do seem to intuitively know it was really good. HOWEVER, if we simplify it to stuff like best vocal range, they cannot be above absolutely everyone else. But simplifying it like this isn’t really a correct answer either. When I heard Nerissa do some live singing, it was not as good as I would have liked, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have good technical ability. It’s just doesn’t sound as good for reasons harder to explain. It’s weird, because I cannot really point to anyone one thing to justify why people prefer one good singer over another, but that we seem to know what actually sounds better to us. The twins are obviously incredible in this way.

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Everyone who disagrees with should commit seppuku

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>>56033994
>Bijou top tier
?????????

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>>56031341
>calli that high
nice try

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56029284
This. However I actually like some of iry’s songs. Imo she should stick to English songs, constantly pandering to JP is bad for numbers

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>>56032638
Or because you’re speaking on a bias, it’s pretty universally agreed that she’s a great singer even by people who don’t even watch her streams

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>>56029837
I agree with the list but I'll put Mumei higher

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>>56037145
It's delusional to the think Mori is in the same tier as Mumei

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>>56034531
Biased list. The twins are good but not that good.

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>>56028777
Bring Nerissa down a notch and I’ll agree.

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>>56033994
>Bijou is near the top
Were you listening to today's karaoke? She's a bit above sovl but that's it. Ina or Kronii tier.

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>>56033994
>Calli
>creative musically speaking
>Bijou near top
>Mumei in the middle
I didn't know deaf people were allowed to post here.

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>>56028777
this desu

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>>56043904
I think S makes the most sense for the twins if you decide which singing you preferred more. It’s why Gura is graded higher than her technical ability would suggest. Obviously Gura is not S, like technically speaking, but the Twins and Gura would both be thought to be S because of the enjoyment or voices, while people would probably not like IRyS as much.

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>>56028777
Actually a solid list.
I'd put it at:
1. IRyS
2. Gura
3. Nerissa (I'm gonna chalk up her poor performance at Karaoke to nerves. If she has a good one she may be above Gura since her produced stuff is really good.)
4. Mumei
5. Fuwamoco
6. Mori (I may not like her, but she can sing)
7. Bae
8. Kiara
9. Kronii
10. Ina
11. Biboo
12. Fauna
13. Ame
14. Shiori (Good god. I thought maybe we would have an Enna situation where she had an unpleasant speaking voice but a god tier singing voice but I guess not.)
Don't care about Sana.

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>>56028777
Mori at this point is extremely underrated. Her between debut and now is like night and day.

That's only regarding her SINGING, though. Her rapping skills are like nails to chalkboard, unfortunately.

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At least we all agree shiori is the worst

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>>56046250
If Mori stuck to jazzy and melodic songs she'd be almost top tier, but here we are. As it is now she's Bae-tier at best.

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>>56046250
>Mori underrated
All this is nonsense anyway. It doesn’t even show who the majority likes most. In terms of who a majority prefers as singers the most, it’s down to who they will actually watch sing the most: both Gura and Fuwamoco, currently. Or so it seems.

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>>56046432
>>56046250
>>56047152
unironically think "beat eaters" cover or the gura live "catch you catch me" are the best things she's ever done. if she dropped the edgelord garbage and hyper-cringe rapping she'd be a top tier, talent-wise

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>>56038647
This is like the only way to do tier lists and even then I still have gripes with some placements.

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>>56028777
This objectively correct

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>>56046099
I can agree to this, maybe Kronii above Kiara as her karaoke is pretty damn good. I hope Nerissa does some that isn't both live and rushed soon

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i like how people invented this
random-ass unquantifiable criteria they call soul
just to justify their bad biased taste

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>>56048475
I dislike all the ranking Nerissa highly (she wasn't great, but was nervous) stuff. Don't rate on future performance predictions.

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>>56028777
>Gura in S tier
lol

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>>56048787
ogay

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>>56038560
Nta but she deserves A tier, you clearly haven't listened to her enough to hear her really let loose

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>>56028777
D and S are the only tiers worth listening to.

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>>56048787
It's not like she has a plethora of past works we can judge her by or anything.

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>>56029762
shit...
the house always fucking wins man

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>>56049599
Would be cool if she released a citypop original song through Hololive.

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>>56047935
Fuwawa should be c-tier because she is actually a chihuahua.
Mococo should be f-tier because she is actually Fuwawa.

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>>56028777
Ame below fauna, sana and shiori is delusional. At best Shiori just talk sings but fauna and sana are legit tone deaf. Ame has improved just enough to be average on most of her staple songs

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
The better get good before the next EN concert

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>>56046432
>>56047152
>>56047529
Her Stella/Stellar rendition is legitimately great.

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>>56028777
People can't differentiate between performance ability and singing ability. Bae is a good example as someone usually overranked. Great performer, shitty singer.

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>>56028777
Nerissa is A tier until she's able to control her vocals. That God-ish cover even with assistance can't cover it up. The schizo's need to stop with their delusional bullshit about her vocals. I would say tier list is ok until further notice.

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>>56037145
this is the most accurate list, i stand with anon on this hill

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56038647
Okay this is actually the best list in the thread.

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>>56031341
Dude, stop the cap with Gura over IRyS. Nerissa in A tier. She's got no vocal control.

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>>56028916
FPBP

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>>56038647
I think this is a fair tier list I seen yet.

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>>56033953
That's because you are shitty spiteful bastard, it has nothing to with their performance.

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>>56031341
I love biboo to death but you are much too optimistic. she's, lovingly, terrible

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>>56028777
Mori is Fat Trash and belongs in a dumpster, so she can eat her fellow trash.

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>>56038647
the tiering is fair, but bae has skill and ame has none though they are both sovl

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>>56052812
Did you listen to the whole karaoke? The second half was like an entire tier above the first half and she sounded pretty good on her cover which is more than can be said for half the people on that list. Her voice sounds good she just needs control which is mostly a matter of learning the proper techniques and lots of practice.

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>>56028777

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>>56047935
Fuck you anon
You just made me realize that everyone but Bijou in Advent is following the western name order

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>>56028777
FWMC too high but otherwise a good list

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>>56028916
Actually just fpbp

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>>56051970
>Nerissa is A tier until she's able to control her vocals.
Explain what you mean by control, anon. Timestamps would be helpful too.

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>>56053619
Do you watch Nerissa? If you have how could you had missed where she talks about it? Nerissa said it herself that IRyS has better vocal control than she does and wishes she can be at IRyS's level. Go to youtube and type Nerissa Irys or something there might be a clip. The schizo's don't want to even listen to Nerissa's own admission but yet want to make her S tier like hell no.

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>>56053619
nta, she's just plain during live performance

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>>56053274
You're welcome

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>>56054023
I sometimes watch her if I can catch it. I also ignore a singer's opinion of her own abilities since they're generally wrong, and/or they might just be really humble. Especially since IRyS generally gets screwed over a lot to begin with. With her past life in consideration, S-tier against Hololive singers. As Nerissa Ravencroft right now? Eh, A-tier.

As for God-ish, her cover is up there in rank, but nowhere near Ado's; Ado's cover of God-ish is literally her flexing.

>>56054089
Eh, until she performs live on-stage as Nerissa, I'll have to reserve judgment on her live performances. Her karaoke, though her voice is pleasant to listen to, wasn't that good.

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56054783
She wasn't wrong on her own assessment. I said she lacked vocal control and it very well shows on her karaoke. I didn't think it would be on her cover song too but it was in fact there on her God-ish cover. The schizo's just refuse to see that in her karaoke she lacks this ability as they would say that she was nervous which is total bullshit. On her cover song they just get more insane and refuse to see that her cover song of God-ish is not that great some having the nerve to say it's better than Enna Alouette which is very delusional. She is plain as that other anon said.

I'm guessing you were not able to find it, right?

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>>56055929
It's why I was asking for timestamps. I wasn't sure if people were mistaking a stylistic/interpretative choice in approach to the song (since it is a Vocaloid song to begin with) as an actual issue.

Enna's cover of the God-ish is really, really good. An issue I noticed is just that her attack on the high parts needs to be emphasized more as that is literally the signature part of the song. It doesn't help that Enna sang this at a lower key compared to the original.

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>>56028777
Gura in S? You guys need to get to JP sometimes. Pekora sings better than Gura ffs

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>>56056692
Anon, this is a HoloEN listing thread.

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>>56028777
Move Bae up to 'A', Kiara up to 'B', and FuwaMoco both down to 'C'.

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>>56028777
I feel kinda dirty for admitting this but don't really care about the singing and never watch karaoke streams or original songs.

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>>56056558
>Enna sang this at a lower key compared to the original.
Uh you're aware the original is sung by an AI? Hatsune Miku, right?

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>>56056692
>Pekora sings better than Gura ffs
Pekora's best performing original song:
https://youtu.be/_KTwDH_KQ_g

Gura sings some song during karaoke:
https://youtu.be/4jOmvTsWqGs

Why do so many more people listen to Gura's music?

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>>56057014
>Good god I need to sleep...

Yup. It's also why Vocaloid song covers are fun to listen to since it tells you a lot about an individual vocalist/singer, and how others are interpretating/deviating from the composer's original.

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THE SOVL SISTERS

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>>56057056
Why do so many more people listen to Ice spice's music?

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>>56046099
Mostly agree with your list, but flipping a few

1. IRyS
1. Gura
3. Nerissa
4. Mumei
5. Fuwamoco
6. Mori
7. Kiara
8. Bae
9. Ina
10. Kronii
11. Biboo
12. Fauna
13. Ame
14. Shiori

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028777
If you move Kiara and Ame up one tier each I actually agree with this list

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>>56038647
Why not just map it on a graph at this point?

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56059127
Yup, Kiara should go up a tier because she can actually sing. C tier is only a bit better than D, so I suppose Ame can make it in. She's definitely not dead last in EN.

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Objectively True

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IRyS should be in her own SS tier desu

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>>56028777
>what are your thoughts on holoEN's singing?
Country music singer when?

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>>56060100
irys might be the 'best' singer but also the least listenable. her voice is so fucking flavorless.

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>>56028777
People really gotta stop overrating gura. She's high B - mid A at most. As for neri, shes high A but won't get past S. For the others though, i think they're objectively correct

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>>56028916
only good post on this board rn

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>>56037145
This is the truth.

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>>56028916
FPWP

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>>56028777
this is a karaoke tier
but when it comes to studio singing and songs quality

>irys on B
>Mumei on B
>Bae on S
>Mori on S

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56053752
basado

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>>56028777
>puts gura in the same tier as the actual singers
>my sides go into orbit
needed a good laugh OP, thanks for the joke.

seriously though anyone who thinks gura is particularly good at singing doesn't know shit about singing. she has a good voice but she refuses to put in the work to train and that one thing will always keep her below even the likes of kiara and mori, much less nerissa and irys who both have the voice AND the training.

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>>56028777
Band gen
when?

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>>56064193
>seriously though
you write like a redditor

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>>56028777
on byas lvl i like gura & mumei the most but man that first fuwamoco karaoke was kino top tier in en when it comes to disappointment shiori take the krown but ame and kroni are not far from that, the only one I can't judge is Ina, since Fauna appeared I haven't been able to make myself look back

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>>56029159
The sad thing is you could say this about everything Kronii does.

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Shiorin has SOVL

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If Gura got Irys tier vocal control shed be on another dimension. She should just spend her time practicing with a coach.

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>>56031305
I try really hard not to shit on irys but she makes it so difficult. crap at games, no common sense, soulless singing, terrible song choices. it just goes on and on.

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028916
ふっぷぶっぷ
fuck tierlists

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>>56028916
fpbp

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>>56028916
fpbp

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Even if IRyS, Calli, and Nerissa are considered the actually trained and skilled singers, no EN singer tickles my brain the same way Mumei does, and therefore she is the best. The end.