/cure/ - Holocure: Save The Fans

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A thread for the Vampire survivors inspired Holo fan game

Link to download the game:
https://kay-yu.itch.io/holocure

Wishlist on Steam, coming Aug 17th:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2420510/

HoloCure Twitter:
https://twitter.com/HoloCureGame
https://twitter.com/HoloCureDev

HoloCure wiki:
https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/HoloCure_Wiki

Upcoming Streams:
Bae: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-pv9iYn65c

Previous thread: >>55835482

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Thanks to Oga, we now know all new items and how SuperCollabs work.
ITEMS:
New Weapon:
- Sausage
New Items:
- Ninja Bandana
- Sweet Kingdom Candy
- Researcher's Coat
- Beetle
- Lui Glasses
New Collabs
- EN Curse + Bounce Ball = Curse Ball
- Sausage + Plug-in Type Asacoco = Lightning Wiener
- Sausage + BL Book = Subaru Sausage
- Psycho Axe + Idol Song = Crescent Bardiche
New Super Collabs
- Snow Flower Sake + Sake = Ice Queen
- Dragon Breath + Gorilla Hand = Sacred Flame
- Idol Concert + Idol Costume = Idol Live
- Elite Cooking + Uber Sheep = Jingisukan

SuperCollab mechanic:
- Get Collab that can be upgraded
- At level 51 Golden Hammer will spawn, pick it up
- Get necessary passive
- Golden Anvil will spawn as usual, use it to get super collab
- Limited to 1 SuperCollab per run

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Idiot here, what's the optimal way to defeat hard 2? Im trying to gachikoi all characters but I always have trouble with this stage. Do I go defensive? Do I rush collabs and dodge the whole way? Item builds would be greatly appreciated, preferably something that works on multiple holos.

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So is Reine actually viable for money grinding?

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>>56000958
whats the effect of idol live. Does it give even faster special regen?

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>>56001188
max defense and xp gain in shop - reset the level until you get glasses first item - rush broken dreams

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>>56001188
whats the effect of iidol live. Does it give even faster special regen?
>>56001260
Very
>>56001188
If you havent beaten it on any holo yet then try to beat it with a defensive character like Kiara or Irys. Having that first win under your belt is massive.
If you have then just max out your shop upgrades and focus IMO on attack and offense. If you aren't confident in that stage and you build defensively / balanced, you just tend to get swarmed.
Also halu is your best friend. It makes the first 5 mins harder, but the extra exp, stamps and anvils and stats make the rest of the run much easier compared to a no halu run

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>>56001188
The wall in Hard 2 is usually defeating Nodoka. You can breeze through the whole 20 mins but still get fucked by Nodoka if you don't know how to deal with her. If you still aren't sure how to do it then just make Dragon Breath and try keeping her just barely on the edge of your screen.

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>>56001336
>>56001593
Special charges 30% faster, and when you use your special you get a +50% boost to all stats for 10 seconds with a 30 second cooldown. The actual weapon seemed a bit unimpressive to me though, looked like it completely lost Concerts knockback which was the main reason to take it, and while it shits projectiles all over the screen they didn't seem to deal particularly good damage for something that needs a 19 level investment. Though it's obviously way too early to properly judge it.

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>>56000958
Sasuga Ogaman
Given that he had Ice Queen in his collab list I think Aruran tipped him off about SuperCollabs, but I'm happy he's the first one to fully dip his toes into SuperCollab autism.

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>>56001671
nice, looks like thats the go to weapon for special spammers like Sora, Reine, Mio etc. Looks like we'll be having some fat tonjoks in the future.
wonder if we can supercollab superitems

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later rounds always end up lagging on my toaster

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>>56002101
I fiddled with the settings when that happened. Turned off numbers, SFX etc..

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>>56001188
Build your weapon > Build Halu > Build Collab + lvl 1 passive.

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>>56002101
Kay-yu promised it would run smoother in the next release.

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>>56002223
I already did that
>>56002340
based

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>>56002340
>>56002406
Here, mention from Kay about performance in 0.6
https://twitter.com/holocuredev/status/1681403388033114112

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>>56001188
>>56001650
When I ran out of content I tried Halu Endless there with every character and ended up making 30+ screencaps of their "records", I'll thumb though them and see if there are any common threads.
Off the top of my head, what >>56001650 said. I distinctly remember Nodoka cucking me on several attempts, specifically because the way she spawns in fucks with most of the healing abilities and leaves you rudderless. So make sure you're adequately prepared for that sudden shift in circumstance.

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>>56002406
how about screen size?
IIRC setting it to the smallest & going fullscreen runs smoother but doesn't actually look any worse. At least for me.

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https://holocure-editor.pages.dev/
Is this website save to use?

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So limited to one super collab per run and the items required are a bit all over with a couple super-commons a situational one and a top level rarity. How do you see working around them especially when a lot of the "best" item builds tend to be set?

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>>56002937
I'll try that once the new update hits, thanks

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>>56001188
>>56002840
Here's all of my caps. Each one passed the 30min mark. Keep in mind I was actively building for endurance each time so the pattern might not be efficient for simply making it to/past Nodoka.

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>>56001188
Nodoka should be the only real barrier, so make sure you're including Dragonbreath/Bone Bros and Rap Dog in all your builds. Generally tanky builds with Horns, Meal, and Membership/Pillow work pretty well, but some characters do better focusing on avoidance with Headphones.

>>56002101
Download more RAM.

>>56002986
Depends on how good they are. If they're better than the best collabs it may be worth giving up some synergy to brute force them.

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>>56003708
Why are you getting full meal on characters that aren't healing based? Seems like a waste of an item slot to me

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>>56002986
Honestly I don't think any of them should affect overall item builds too much since they free up the item slot once the super is made, you'll just either be taking the last one you want a bit later on or picking an additional one. The crowd control from Ice Queen or health and healing from Jingisukan might let you swap out some defence or healing items for more utility or damage though.
Overall the changes made to existing items along with the new ones should have a way bigger affect on what you're picking than the supers will.

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>>56003708
Honesty, I think your builds are over the place. Usually I just use one defensive item and blacksmith gear or go full glass canon with Kusogaki shackles.

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>>56001188
>>56003708
K some notes:
>everyone has Halu, Glasses & Goggles, unless the RNG fucked me; they all synergized with each other, so DESU if you're not going for Halu runs the other two might not be vitally necessary either.
>Full Meal is the MVP of the game's entire arsenal, I only excluded it above because it's not universally necessary. Some characters heal too often to need it, or don't scale off of healing amount, or are intended to avoid hits in the first place, or simply got a lucky Super Pillow beforehand, or are Korone
>...Oh yeah shit I remember now: I was testing the viability of Eldritch Horror. That might've been why I defaulted to Full Meal every time instead of mixing it up with other defensive items. Worked like a charm, across the board. You always have enough passive healing coming in to keep you alive 'til the Yagoos, no matter the character (unless you become too comfy from the security it provides and just plain get sloppy).
So yeh, " something that works on multiple holos"? Eldritch Horror & Full Meal.

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>>56000797
Another upcoming stream: Mumei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kEVYZ307sY

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How are you supposed to build Bae? Weapons are pretty universal, but what items and stickers do I actually want to not die on 2H? I can't tell whether I should be trying to tank/ ult spam, stack dodge/ crit, or just pray for shackles and pile up damage. I'm pretty sure I just need to reach Nodoka since Bae's ult has instantly splattered all the other bosses so far.

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>>56002986
Looking at Ogaman stream when he showed his armory seems like all the super collab lose their weapon properties so they aren't considered melee, multishot, nor ranged. Combining them might not be the best choice for some.

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>>56004415
Cuz it's a one-and-done get with a fucking broken effect. Only 3 other items outright double a statistic, and 2 of them only do it after 5 level ups. It's easy mode.
Also it's not a broad-stroke must-have for healers, Okayu & Kiara are the prime examples of it being a wasted slot due to HOW MUCH they heal themselves. It depends on the specifics of their kit. e.g. Sora should always have it since her damage is tied to the amount she heals, whereas Fauna never needs it cuz her DPS procs purely off of the frequency of heals.
>>56004882
IIRC I was experimenting a bit with each characters kit & trying to find items perfectly suited for them, so most of the messiness was fully intentional. It's no fun doing the exact same loadout every single time.

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>>56006212
I actually remember posting about this last update, will get back to you on it.
IIRC there were 2 possible options, and one involved Hope Soda.

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>>56006393
???

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>>56006629
My go to has always been
>Halu/Kaela
Now I might add either Coat or Glasses as my accelerator all depending on what the RNG gives me

>Limiter/Milk
I like pick-up range letting me stay in one spot centralize all my drops and ensure I get all EXP without having to spend time chasing. AOE from Milk is also something I cant live without on most characters

>Energy Drink/GWS/Mask
Idea here is these are my offensive items. Haste Crit and raw damage depending on what I need without any critical downsides. Variation on the last slot based on characters like Sora or going into Hard and wanting a Daki vs bullet hell

This has always worked for me on all difficulties but im excited about what could change now with the update. Finding all the new things that can work makes my autismo senses go wild even if its just "RNG makes you go with Study Glasses instead of Kaela"

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>>56007003
All weapons fall into the category of Melee(fist icon), Multishot(3 bullets icon), and Ranged(one blast icon). Character like Aqua has the skill that adds another extra projectile to Multishot weapons, and the new item Ninja Headband increase the damage of Melee weapons specifically. So for example Aqua will usually shoot out 4 Snow Flower Sake thanks to her skill, but once you make it into its super collab variant it will most likely lose that property.

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So who are the new bosses?

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>>56006212
Yeah I think the go-to strat was just to get to 100% CRIT asap & coast on that juicy x4 damage boost. You CAN build around Ult spam, but it lasts so briefly for such a long windup that it'll just distract you IMO. Focusing on making every single hit hurt is more effective.
So if you're simply trying to reach the 20min mark, GWS Pill is a must. MAYBE Sake too, if you either pile on so much DPS nobody gets near you or invest in a bodypillow. If the latter, you can throw in a Piki Piiman too and intentionally run into enemies to charge your Ult faster. Likewise Idol Costume is OFC more useful on her than most, but not essential. Hope Soda too, albeit it'll actively work against Costume/Piiman so best to choose one route or the other.
Stampwise Crit Up is swell, since at 100% CRIT it's an unconditional damage buff (and more at Lv3 than the ATK stamp). Other than that just optimize her hit-rate. So any combo of Haste, Size, Projectile & Explosion.
Oh yeah and keep in mind she has literally zero self-preservation Talents (I think enemies are still harmful when upside down, even), so either stack so much outgoing damage that nobody can touch you, or save 1 slot for something defensive. Eldritch works fine too, but the mix-maxer in me doesn't want to outright endorse it since it has a high minimum-cooldown so clashes hard with her Ult.

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>>56007757
Drink, GWS, Limiter etc I avoid like the plague in Endless, since they're just stat boosts that you'll be forced to start stacking by the 20min point anyway.

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>>56008474
Indo level ends with a 3-on-1 versus shitposts version of each ID1 member. Oga designed one of them so was very happy.

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>>56008474
Mid boss for stage 4 is Moonas robot mascot thing
End boss for stage 4 is a trio of Potato Moona, Risusaurus, and Iofis UFO
End boss for stage 3 hard is all 5 of Smol Myths Halloween costumes

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Who is the Evil?

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>>56009479

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>>56009479
Evil ojisans that go MONEY MONEY MONEY BECOME PROFITABLE BECOME PROFITABLE MONEY MONEY BECOME PROFITABLE BECOME PROFITABLE BECOME PROFITABLE and molest the girls at Cover's shareholder meetings

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>>56009385
Correction: Stage 4 Midboss is Ollie's mascot Udin. Moonabito is first miniboss

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>>56010083
You're right my bad, I misremembered

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I dont know why I keep doing this to myself.
Im working on gachikoi for everyone and keep doing Halu 5 instead of just focusing on finishing the stage.
Stage 3 bullet hell at 17 mins gets me every fucking time. AHHHHHHHHH.

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>>56011277
i hate that this is the only thing we have to look foward to for difficulty down the line. he just tweeted yesterday he doesn't want to "gatekeep" by making anything challenging enough to need upgrades, and that that wouldn't "be interesting"
it's like getting to the endgame of an rpg and being told to take off your gear to be challenged. "want to have to use higher brain function? cripple yourself."

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>>56006393
Yeah. I'm uncertain if the lack of weapon type properties for super collabs is a deliberate balancing choice or not. Although I look at the amount of projectiles they put on the screen the biggest concern is that they would probably be absolutly broken if the character has Focus Shades if they were all properly classified given that none of them are melee.

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>>56011277
Vertical movement for the bullets that fire directly at you, orbit for the Undertale pattern. You can even stand still or orbit the wrong way in the second pattern since one or two hits won't kill you. 1H's and 3's bullet hells are harder because they fire randomly from all directions.

>>56011690
What's the point of having normal and hard versions of each stage then?

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I always wondered why the game doesnt allow the chance to have your equipment upgraded to the Super version.
Would be nice to know that theres still a chance to get Super Knightly Milk even if I already have the base version.
Is this a thing already? Ive never had it happen and Ive never seen it happen to one of the girls playing either.

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>>56012251
>When Kaela was trying Stage 3 Hard, she mentioned not being sure if it was possible without gachikoi
>Funny thing about that:
>When we playtest difficulty, we play it with 0 G.ranks, fandom off, minimum reccommended shop upgrades, and no super items
>3 Hard beat our asses in

>but we did it after many many many tries
>if you like a challenge, this is what I would recommend~
>-no super items
>-no G ranks
>-fandoms off
>-no shop upgrade can be above what the recommended stats are

>if you have every upgrade, things will always be kinda easy
>I want to avoid making content literally require full maxed everything, because I think that's too much of a gatekeep and isn't interesting. So I try to set things to a level where there is a good amount of wiggle room

so in other words, he doesn't want "content" to be hard enough brainlets can't beat it. he does reply to someone to say he has lots of mode ideas he wants to put in the game, so it could just be odd word choice and he does plan to eventually add something that will challenge people at the top, but his english has always been mediocre so it's hard to tell which way he'll go based on how stupid these three tweets sound at face value.

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>>56002968
>Is this website save to use?
No, you just need to open the link in your browser

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So if I have gachikoi on characters do I lose that when the update happens?

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>>56013384
No
>why?
because I think they are lazy just like me
t. dev

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>>56012396
the S versions are so OP that I dont think he'll ever give us a way to consistently guarantee them

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>>56014344
I dont want a way to get it consistently, because yes, most are ridiculously OP.
Just knowing theres still a chance to get it even if you have the base version would be nice to know.
That in of itself I dont think is too much too ask, nor OP.

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>>56012682
>he has lots of mode ideas he wants to put in the game
Dammit Kay stop being ambitious it takes too long JUST GIVE ME MY FULL ROSTER

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>>56013384
...FFS I hope not.

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>>56014761
That would actually make it weaker. If you already invested 2 or 3 level ups to an item and then you get the S version you would "lose" those levels. Currently you will never lose any investment when getting a S item.

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>>56015775
Arent the Super versions still superior to even a maxed out base?
I'll still take "losing" those levels over it not happening at all.
Its all likely a non-issue anyways, because I doubt Kay Yu would ever implement that.

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>>56013384
No, Progress on fandoms is saved.
Additionally, fandoms have been reworked to be exp system.
You gain:
- 7XP for normal stage (doubled for first clear),
- 10XP for hard stage (doubled for first clear).
- 2XP for G.Rank (max 21 G.Ranks count)

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>>56012682
I think generally the idea for stage difficulty will always be "Normal Stages can be beaten without upgrades but it get's tougher as time goes on" meanwhile Hardmode stages will be "Better upgrade fuckface". Even with max upgrades with G-Rank current Stage Mode 2 hard can be challenging for certain characters (get's piss easy with full gachikoi though).

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>>56009479
HoloX. Once all the ever gens are added, the final level will be a 30 minute gauntlet in the HoloX HQ, fighting each of the 5 members at the 5 minute interval, before fighting a combined force of all 5 at the end. Beating the level once unlocks their gacha machine.

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>>56016200
So much exp do you need for gachikoi?

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>>56016200
As someone working on gachikois right now, do you think its better to just hold off til the update then?

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>>56013384
No, from Kaela’s run, everyone was still max level except the ID girls. At worst, it might round down rather than be an exact idea of where on the EXP bar your would be.

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>>56016306
>>56016309
Looked at Oga's stream, he did Gachikoi Moona. Had G.Rank 30 and cleared stages 1-4 and 1H for gachikoi. So probably will be a bit easier?

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>>56016564
5 stages. So thats the same as current release. Seems to be about the same. I wonder if stages completed prior to update will retroactively apply exp to gachikoi though.
I think Ill continue. No chance I finish them all before the update anyways.

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>>56016219
that's the opposite of what he just said. he specifically said hard 3 wouldn't need upgrades. like, you're replying to the quote saying the opposite.

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>>56016309
it will be easier/more fun come patch either way.
if you have a high capacity for tedium and just want to "get it done" you can do five stage 1s come patch.
if you do it now you have to do one of each stage, meaning a mix of difficulties.
personally, i'm waiting because i have absolutely zero interest in doing maps that don't provide any challenge. i'd rather do five hard 2s or hard 3s than HAVE to do normal 1, normal 2, normal 3 etc because even if i halu gold farm it's still so easy i'd rather not play at all/use a trainer. if i have to actually play the game as intended with upgrades, grank etc i will enjoy my time.
the only reason to do gachikoi over the next few days is impatience.

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>>56018373
You forgot about first time clear bonus, which counted for Oga. He needed 42XP from G.Rank, 4 normal stages clear with first time clear bonuses for 56XP and 1 hard clear stage for 20XP. 98XP wasn't enough for gachikoi, 118 was, so value is somewhere inbetween

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>>56011690
>it's like getting to the endgame of an rpg and being told to take off your gear to be challenged. "want to have to use higher brain function? cripple yourself."
Is not remotely the same. Because I'm this case the armor from the rpg is similar to the drop items you get in the game.
The shop upgrades are like the xp you get beating normals mobs. So you either decided to grind or not.

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>>56023300
your grammar is so poor i can't even really make out what your point is other than you want to vocalize apologism
what is your argument exactly? why are you okay with there not being any challenge in this game? don't let me put words in your mouth; make this make sense so i can debunk what you actually think.

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>>56012682
Ah, I know see the problem. You are using Kaela as a benchmark. Girl is pretty bad at playing the game considering all the time she puts in.
Didn't Aqua beat the game with her character without upgrades in the past release?

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>>56023300
The shop is a progression system. The G Rank is a progression system. Gear is a progression system. Gachikoi is a progression system.
Leveling up inside a fight isn't a progression system, it's an inevitability every time you play. Playing an RPG and making use of its progression systems just to get to the end of the game and none of the enemies or bosses provide any challenge because you used those progression systems is actually fucking retarded. It isn't "gatekeeping" to continue providing challenge for players engaging with the content as designed.

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>>56023516
"you"? the greentext you're replying to is a quote by the developer on twitter.
esl-chama it's time to stop posting.

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>>56016165
Yes. It's not as good as hitting it on the first try, but it's still better than the base version, even if you would be getting rank 5/5. I'd argue it's still a good pull even after 5/5.

>>56016309
They're probably going to be easier after the update, but what else is there to do right now? You'll also be accumulating coins for the house.

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>>56023396
My only take away is that you have the mentality of the typical sweaty gamer and getting mad at nothing.>>56023516

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>>56024062
"i don't have an argument so i will resort to insult" is very comrade of you. see you next waste of our time, esl-chama.

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>>56021523
100 makes the most sense, which would be covered by 3 hard clears and 40 from gacha.

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>>56023820
Is the Harvest Moon part of the game too expensive? I've about 500k I think.

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>>56024518
For basic stuff? Definitely enough. To buy all furniture? Definitely far from it.

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>>56023820
Watching Ogaman stream the most efficient way to farm coins might unironically be fishing, literally made 200k in 10 mins and who knows how high the cap is for chain fishing.

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>>56024518
Yeah, soils+crops for gardening range between 200-1500 per item I think and buying workers seems to cost 1k/2k/3k/... for the 1st/2nd/3rd/... worker up to a max of 10. Fishing has its own currency.

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>>56024829
How high on the fishing pole chain did he climb before he started getting the big money? Fauna seemed to be getting a pittance with the basic rod.

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>>56025740
He already got the Golden Rod on his second stream, and doesn't seem like it will take much time as long as you keep your chain high and buy the next rod ASAP so you get access to better fish.

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>>56000797
The game can have more autistic detail like some fishes are noctural and they can only be caught at night

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>>56009479
FuwaMoco

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Do I have to start from scratch if I am switching to the steam version?

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>>56029163
No, it reads save from same folder

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Do the explosions from the bomb stamp also trigger Mori's Death skill? I always assumed it did and use it when I play her but I don't know for sure if it actually does.

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>>56033949
Explosions from bomb stamp is considered as main weapon attack so I assume yes?

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>>56033949
Yes but note you only get 1 explosion per "attack" so each swing can only trigger 1.
It works best on multihit weapons.

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>>56024518
some of the furniture cost hundreds of thousands of coins. Bunch of cheap options though

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Thoughts on this run? I feel like Bandage didn't do much in the Yagoo phase because once they started getting fast enough to hit me I was getting chunked pretty hard. I reached 100 crit even with Paw, but I wonder if 7 more ranks of speed would have been better than 1.5x damage. Stickers were Stun, Usaken, and Lifesteal.

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>>56046201
Addendum: I think Mr. Squeaks might actually be better than Usaken because I could have stun dice and Wamy Water firing in opposite directions.

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Watching Mumei's stream and I wonder what I'm missing about Zeta's primary weapon, she has it fully upgraded and it doesn't seem to be all that good.

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howmstve? is there an easy char/special for this?

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What will be an ideal amount of money to go into the update with?

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>>56050643
Aki or Mori would be the easiest. Aki with her belly dance attack just hold that for 20mins and use it near the end, mori by going solo stamp and stacking all the crit damage up

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>>56050643

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>>56000958
good work

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>Mel with Frozen Sea, Bone Bros, Dragonfire
>maximum life leech passives (bat spam)
>eat a food
>game falls to like 20fps because of all the particles, numbers, and fucking bats

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Just saw on Mumei's stream that Stun Sticker will be able to destroy projectiles. Not like it needed a buff, but that should help out the people who die on the danmaku sections.

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Did someone by any chance counted how much coins you need if you want to buy everything for holohouse?

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Watching JP early access streams and them only able to see/hire EN fans, I think it would be sensible to split the hiring pool and for it to be a majority by language selection. At the very least EN and JP should have two pools.
Although I'm guessing there's not that many JP submissions

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I wonder if they fixed Kiara's revival glitch. I was still getting it in what I think was the previous version.

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>>56058532
Which chara did she pick? I think that influences the hiring pool

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What is this new Indonesian stage a reference to again?

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>>56059372
last year id sportfest stage

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In Mumei's opinion, X-Potato is the worst weapon.

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Am I stupid for focusing around Kusogashi sash and then stacking as many items with an added detriment as I can?

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>>56059177
Quick look through and they were mostly picking EN/ID characters so that might be a reason. The idea still stands though that it should have some sort of priority like language>chara>rest if there isn't already one I guess.

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>>56060221
fuck mumei, korone rap is a great collab

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>>56060335
Just checked the google form and they only accept alphanumerical, so either the JP fans were put off by this or the romaji names went over your head

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>>56029322
I wonder if save transfer works on the Steam Deck
I doubt it, but Ina did mention playing it on her deck so maybe Kay would look into it

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>>56062368
If you launch it on PC first, it will read your save and save it in Steam Cloud saves. Then if you use SteamDeck, you can use that Cloud save

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is there a general list or could someone type one up of who is generally better solo vs collabs based on the math? goog failed me, it's just a bunch of individual leddit topics

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>>56001671
good work anon

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I'm probably good for upgrade/gacha if I've got over a million coins, right? Last update barely took anything moneywise

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>>56063172
answered at least two other times in only 119 other posts already

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Is it the seventeenth yet?

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>>56050643
Got it while casually playing either Mori or Bae IIRC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56056641
its beautiful innit
alternatively build for speed & ult-spam, hella fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>56060237
I don't see why. I tend to avoid KGS cuz it feels like a wasted slot to me UNLESS I build explicitly around it & grab at least 3 detrimental items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56060237
I don't see why. I tend to avoid KGS cuz it feels like a wasted slot to me UNLESS I build explicitly around it & grab at least 3 detrimental items.
I'm primarily interested in how YMD's kit'll be designed to synergize with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56062847
I'm unaware of any off the top of my head that're emphatically better solo. I thought solo runs were mainly a coin farming strat. Besides, isn't 0.6 gonna nerf the solo stamp anyway?
Bae definitely benefits from prioritizing extra weapons, due to her Special. IIRC Ame gets a DMG boost to "all weapons" so was likely designed with that playstyle in mind too, Check Skill descriptions, basically. See how effects proc and whether more AoE will maximize their uptime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56063172
1000 x 9 x 21 = 189,000. Let's double that & then some to account for bad RNG, for ~4-500k. IDK what Shop upgrades they're adding; IIRC it was the REAL drain on funds in a prior update, but it's possible they're out of ideas for it and the HoloHouse is their replacement moneysink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56065833
oh, i would have assumed some are just objectively better because of their innate kit scaling really well with the dozens of % upgrades, i guess not. i didn't know solo was getting nerfed though, i suppose that solves that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56060237
the math on kusogaki is definitely in its favor compared to any other setup, on most girls, but only if it's a full kusogaki build. no idea about .6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56006212
I just endless her there out of boredom, lasted till 34, wish I saw that post earlier to screencap build but I went.
Weapons
>Dragon Fire
>Bone Bros
>Frozen Sea
>Broken Dreams
>BL Book
Solely because I just wanted that fire/bros "beam spam" with huge crits, otherwise I wouldn't even bother. The other weapons were more defensive with slow effects.
Items
>Knightly Milk
>Halu
>Gorilla's Paw
>Hope Soda
>Body Pillow
>(Super) Nurse's Horn
Body Pillow was the last item I got just for a bit more durability. You can ignore Halu of course.
Stamps
>Haste Up
>Life Steal
>Projectile Up
More, faster, some life sustain.
She was 21+ but not fandom maxed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56000797
new idea, you can have pet companions or (fans) that help you in stages, you can train different ones for different skills giving a extra reason to the farm and a money sink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56009479
nijisanji bishonens

[Anonymous No.]

>>56006212
the truth is that you don't need to build that much dmg, tank builds are comfy.
and bae already has a lot of dmg you just need some crit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56012682
Just release Hell stages eventually that require full or near full upgrades. Normal 0% (upgrades), Hard 50%, Hell 100%. Or like a daily challenge mode where you are presented with a specific character with fixed upgrades, who starts with 2-3 weapons and items that aren't the usual safe picks, and you are forced to build around them. Or instead of daily it's 3 such characters per week, and they have weekly leaderboard for people to compete in for longest survival time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56068583
that sounds pretty bad. it would be easier to just add heat/seeds/abyss/etc as a simple scaling knob as you clear with a girl. tons and tons of roguelikes have this mechanic for a reason; it's easy to implement and satisfies the tryhards.
literally any solution to the top end difficulty problem that involves making more maps or making content meant specifically for tryhards would be a waste of his time and completely counter to his (admittedly misguided) desire not to do exactly that.
occam's razor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56068718
Fair enough, unfortunately endlessly scaling difficulty is the easy but also boring way out. You get things like Diablo 3 Torment levels brainrot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56033949
I just realized this isn't actually Calli and it's fucking with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56066721
I mean possibly? I actually wouldn't put it past them to have implemented something like that under the table. I just can't think of a scenario - besides getting the Solo Stamp - where picking up more weapons explicitly decreases your main weapon's outgoing damage. At least, to the point where it's not worth it.
Take Choco. Her Awakened weapon has an added effects for when you land hits with the tip. If you have 4 collabs going you're gonna hit a lot less enemies with that. But WTF does ensuring x1.5 damage to a narrow row of enemies a specific distance from your front matter compared to doling out consistent damage on every side at every distance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56066973
>Gorilla's Paw

[Anonymous No.]

>>56069120
I wish Callina was fucking me...

[Anonymous No.]

>>56068983
I agree with you, but I think it's the lesser evil to what we had with .5 which was, for the most part, having to cripple yourself to be challenged at any level of content once you'd engaged with the progression systems as designed. That's not fun for a lot of people, especially with how gachikoi works (used to work). Farming gachikois with a full store/20 g-rank is less fun for me than doing nothing, and it didn't have to be if we could turn a heat dial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56070060
In endless you get all the crit back anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56012396
>I always wondered why the game doesnt allow the chance to have your equipment upgraded to the Super version.
Because they're completely broken. It's kind of perplexing to me that Kay Yu seems to be taking the leaderboard stuff seriously yet in the end it's going to boil down to super item RNG just like the time stage currently is. Taking a super item should disqualify the run from a leaderboard entry and dropping it should give you the option to take the normal version instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56001188
I forget that there are somehow people who actually struggle with this game in any way when all you have to do is pick Nurse's Horn and you are invincible for the rest of the run

[Anonymous No.]

>>56072542
After extensive time watching Holos play the game, it seems to me that a vast majority of deaths come from making dumb decisions or being oblivious about the environment which puts the player in a bad spot and then they just get chunked down faster than they can outheal the damage.

Nurse's Horn is the best healing item in the game for dealing with chip damage or minor fuck-ups but it's useless against bosses that despawn enemies and offers zero effective health gain so it's useless for big fuck-up moments. For any character that has built-in healing it's nothing special and any defensive item that offers actual effective health would be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56072808
>but it's useless against bosses that despawn enemies
consider the following: just run and shoot/attack behind yourself dumbass, thats how youre supposed to play this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>56073158
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. All I did was state facts. A lot of people incorrectly view Nurse's Horn as some god mode item when all it does is cover for consistently sloppy play. It won't actually save you from dying in many of the situations that other defensive items will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56073364
i think that guy has misunderstood you; your point was quite clear and self-evident. even as a kaela-tier sweaty tryhard, all of my deaths for the last at least 50% of my playtime have been 80%+ to 0% spike events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56073364
>I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
My point is that I can only die in this game when I actively try to get myself killed because I get bored. I've reached a point where the game feels like a chore and every stage is the longest 20 minutes I have ever experienced in my life. I don't understand how people find the game challenging. Still gotta get the all achievements grass though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>56073364
>Nurse's Horn as some god mode item when all it does is cover for consistently sloppy play
It is also a useful offense tool for characters like Sora, Fauna, Mel and Choco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56006212
Axe + bucket or spider + bucket, the wife area of effect quick damage is very useful for triggering enemies to be turned upside down.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r02fimYzVk

non-holomem getting 0.6 early access?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56000958
>that 2nd super collab
Ah, my heart

[Anonymous No.]

>>56074520
I think he was credited in the past release as a collaborator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56074520
He's in the credits

[Anonymous No.]

>Try the game out for the first time a couple days ago
>It's actually pretty good
>Can't stop playing
>Try Fauna today
>my theme when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynTNYSKNuk

[Anonymous No.]

>>56074520
IIRC he is part of the dev team, appears in credits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56072808
>For any character that has built-in healing it's nothing special
Objectively incorrect.
It turns Choco into a Khornite, for one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56075735
In terms of defensive utility. Of course characters who convert healing into damage want it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the haste sticker not as useful in endless solo weapon runs since you can just get haste stat upgrades instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56079641
It doesn’t actually give haste, it separately affects attack time in a way that is this multiplicative with haste. It is actually more impactful with high haste.
But it might not be worth it for endless compared to other stamps for the reason you mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56002340
Thank fuck, my toaster chugs even with a relatively small amount of entities.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember in the interview Kay Yu said Mumei would get some stuff changed, has anyone seen what exactly yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56080433
Well shit, that means I need to actually test it in my 3rd slot where I had bomb last time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
Bigger breast size

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
Mumei nerfed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
Mumei buffed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
Moomin about the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
History and civilization were combined into one skill.
Friend is limited to just a few of your weapons.
She has a new skill but I dunno what it does. Bloodlust or some such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56073944
Just reduce or turn off your upgrades then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
>>56081455
Bloodthirsty that stacks on enemy kill, at 20 or so it heals and adds attack% bonus. Her special now increases haste too.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no, Kaela stream right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCe8NP4NpTA

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081167
>>56081455
>>56081641
Her special was also changed, now gives 1% haste per killed enemy for 10 seconds and its description also no longer lists that xp is destroyed (though I guess that mechanic might still exist)

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081752
Definitely should, since there would be no point to buff it with haste if you decided to remove the only downside to your screen clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081815
Her special must be everyone’s least favorite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56081752
There's no reason for it to destroy all drops. That's just a relic of the days when HoloCure was aping Vampire Survivors nearly 1:1.

The whole point of having specials is either to speed up clearing if you know what you're doing or as a panic button if you don't. The game is now full of specials that immediately take pressure off the player with no downside. Hell, there are some now some passives that are better for negating/mitigating pressure than Mumei's special due to enemy spawn mechanics. It does not need the drawback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56050643
halu5 en curse, itll happen on its own

[Anonymous No.]

>>56082299
Nobody likes giving up XP, so it has an use only in extreme emergencies. Maybe if we had more specials with some downsides we could buff Kusogaki Shackles to affect specials too, giving those characters a potential for special builds, but currently it's just Mumei.

[Anonymous No.]

Cleared hard2 solo weapon with Aki, she was the last one.
I was expecting it to be annoying due to the way her weapon works but with Piki Piki Piman I was able to just abuse her special the entire time instead.
I wonder how it will turn out with the new version of Piman where that won’t be possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>fishing is the new best money farming method
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>56083615
Is it? Can you fish out like 250k+ per hour?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56083756
You fish out 250k+ in 10 mins, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56083864
Well that's pretty retarded then.

[Anonymous No.]

I lost all my data yesterday, spend whole day getting everything back with cheat engine, I need that steam cloud save asap

[Anonymous No.]

>>56083756
NTA but yes though you have to build up to it. The quantity and value of fish you get goes up substantially with each rod. Once you grind your way up to the Golden Rod you are flooded with fish.

It's worth noting the amount of currency you get just playing the game has been increased overall. A typical stage clear with maxed Halu used to be ~20-25k. The Greed stamp made 100k+ per endless possible with IRyS. In 0.6 you can break 100k in stage clear mode with any character assuming you get the coin farming items and Reine has overtaken pre-nerf IRyS due to her special. It's pretty retarded that fishing is so broken and the feature that was actually added purely for passive coin income amounts to a whole lot of nothing. By the time your workers are leveled and bringing in respectable income over a long period of time you could be printing money with the Golden Rod.

Fishing should be nerfed and worker growth should be accelerated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084351
>pre-nerf IRyS
oh lawd what'd they do

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084564
Pretty sure it was just changing greed stamp to be based on damage done instead of hit count

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084052
What are you people doing with your pcs? In every release there always anons losing their save files.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084564
She wasn't nerfed directly but the Greed stamp was adjusted so that it no longer strongly favors a high number of hits. Reine generates more coins than IRyS currently does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084663
Not him but I upgraded my PC a couple months ago + clean install because it was getting messy, Holocure save was the last thing to remember at the time. Farming gold for upgrades and gacha doesn't take that long, but I lost my fandom progress. With 0.6 soon and changes to fandom leveling I guess I will just wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084880
I upgraded by PC and just went on my old hard drive and moved the save files over manually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56085010
I copied my partition with games and other files, and only remembered the game saves on C: after I was done reinstalling windows. I last played Holocure like few months before upgrade, so it just wasn't on my mind.

[Anonymous No.]

speaking of speedrun stage, whats your best ? i can get 3:47 with ame and suisei but i saw some jp autist with 2 secs faster with ame, any tips ? or its just anvil drop luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084663
there was power outage when I was playing, after I turn on PC again, it kept giving me error

[Anonymous No.]

>>56086018
Getting below 3 minutes is a lot trickier since tears were nerfed. The farther you go below 4 minutes the more it's based on RNG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56086156
you can get 2mins+ before tears nerfed ? the fuckk, ok then ill stop trying lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>56086383
Tears were completely busted in time trial prior to the nerf because you could make them strong enough to one-shot things. The sheer number of projectiles it fires and the projectile speed meant it was hitting most things before they had a chance to move very far from the edge of the screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56084351
my first endless run with gachi irys (glasses/piggy bank/halu/supachatto) got me like 220k+.

[Anonymous No.]

How much fandom exp will each stage give you? Will harder ones give you more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56088476
Already answered here
>>56016200

[Anonymous No.]

>>56016564
so 97 exp? If so that means you'd be 1 exp short from being able to do it in 1 normal stage + 3 hard stages kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>56089780
No. Explanation here. Gachikoi is somewhere between 98 and 118 XP
>>56021523

[Anonymous No.]

>>56091064
oh right, i am fucking retarded. I was thinking in terms of first time clear for normal in general but the game has multiple normal/hard mode stages you can first clear on

[Anonymous No.]

maybe its 100exp then. How did Kaela, the most autistic person in hololive, not go into depth on this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56091242
Because Kaela doesn't really care about the specifics. Kaela just grinds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56091242
Kaela doesn't really do numbers autism, closest thing you'll get is her Excel spreadsheet for her netherite beacon and even that is pretty barebones. She just plays video games.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU8nJ8Evoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>56095272
>in 2 hours
I literally sleep.
As the gamer of the gen she better show some actual acceptable gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56095500
Keep in mind she's going to have a ton of people backseating and telling her completely wrong retarded shit and she's going to listen to them because Bijou likes to stay engaged with her chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56095870
I assume she should be already familiar with the game even if she starts with a new save? If she at least mentions Irys farming then she knows her stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Tier list for the characters? I am a tier whore and want to know who to max out alongside my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56099597
avoid shion, her main attack is shit and her tele gimmick is fucking annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>56099597
the list changes in 3 days

[Anonymous No.]

>>56099999
Its not going to change that much nonny. might as well make a definitive 0.5 tier list before the new patch comes out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56100055
the game is too easy to need one and .5 has no leaderboard anyway. see you thursday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56100255
im not even the tier list guy, i already have max shop and a few gachi characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>56100055
Sora and Mio would change with the rework on Piki Piki Piman.
>>56099829
Hope he buffed Shion or changed something about her. At least give her some interaction with the portals.

[Anonymous No.]

so you can just fish so much you trivialize the game with fandom lv2/shop upgrades? Thats not fair!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>56100055
>God Tier
My oshi

>Meh Tier
Everyone else

>Shit Tier
Your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103609
wow, I thought nutsagi went extinct on vt

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103609
on this thought, i have to really push myself to play characters i don't watch sometimes. which is, frankly, most of them. the characters i like the mechanics of and the characters i like the vtuber barely align.
and then you have the circle in the venn of characters whose designs i would try to play in games normally and the overlap is even smaller
fuck you kronii you punk bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>56100947
Sora probably wont change much shes still Sora but Mio is gonna need to something to help her out. Shion also has a lot of design problems my bggest being she dies in end game hordes where kusogaki kick doesnt like 50% health to and the horde piled up because your weapons stipped firing

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103742
Fauna is my favorite but I didnt totally synergize with her playstyle at first. She is a lot of fun with the aimed specials though (bone bros + coco fire)

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103850
amusing you say fauna, she's the only character who has overlap of all three circles for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103700
My actual oshi is a member of Phase Connect, I just wanted to use a smug Holo for the sake of the shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56104557
fat titty hag dog love

[Anonymous No.]

Prediction on the highest score character in the all time leaderboard on 0.6?
Highest should be achievable by turning on Hardcore and playing Endless on Hard 3 with Halu 5, then it's a matter of how many mobs you can defeat until the YAGOOs start spawning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56103817
>the horde piled up because your weapons stipped firing
You can move during it so it works as an escape.
Also, if you have the Breastplate, you can still damage people during the time “offscreen” as you are still there, just invisible with a 100% dodge.
>Sora probably wont change much shes still Sora
Sora will change a hell of a lot more because you can’t just rank damage for infinite special anymore, healing during it for more special. Mio at least has built in special generating skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56000797
So after the Greed nerf, what's the gold meta? Is IRySsoRich still viable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56104873
answered multiple times including within the last handful of posts.
drink piss.

[Anonymous No.]

rock and stone in 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU8nJ8Evoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>56104914
fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

I hope a future character has a playstyle that uses multiple pets or summons lile a Diablo 2 necromancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56104873
Fishing, Reine or just play the fucking game because coin yield overall is way higher in general. Kaela broke 100k coins earned in basic stage clears multiple times without even going tryhard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56105259
The change in greed is a big part of it but money is going to keep getting easier as more levels are released with higher coin multipliers.
Not that it matters for me, I enough money to max everything going into 0.5 and only have more now after Gachikoing everything and then playing a bit more.

[Anonymous No.]

am i schizo or gura's main weapon is much longer now? currently i'm away from my pc so i can't compare it to current patch

[Anonymous No.]

>>56105229
brown

[Anonymous No.]

>>56046201
>>56046425
Mr. Squeaks was unironically clutch, my dice could stun most of the Yagoos in front of me while my weapons blasted the ones behind. How do I push to 40 min? Maybe Glasses over hat? The Yagoos were spending a lot of time inside of 150 pix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56109313
ditch full meal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56109313
swap full meal for glasses

[Anonymous No.]

>>56083864
>>56088151
Fuck. So what I have to do for coin farming is this guy's build, and then go for fishing strat. I have no time to farm so looking for the fastest coin strat atm

[Anonymous No.]

>>56112662
No, just go straight to fishing. Also IRyS isn't even the best for Greed anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

I didnt know there were so many controller purists until biboo's stream. My only issue with KB M is the visibility of the reticle which is getting a patch in 0.6. And I switch between both methods, but I think play slightly more KB M due to the easiness of just opening the game up and instantly getting into a game

[Anonymous No.]

>>56095870
Called it. Chat is making some retarded decisions because all they care about is rushing weapon and collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56115259
Ruffians better protect the twins tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>56115847
anybody still watching the twins doesn't have two braincells to rub together, they won't be useful.
but fuwawa is so much of a stuckup know-it-all she'll have spoiled all kinds of stuff for herself ahead of time so they're not likely to have much trouble with builds.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why everyone is so averse to Gorrila's Paw. It's basically the best damage item you can take for any character who doesn't build around crits.

[Anonymous No.]

after doing a full stack aki playthrough i have come to the conclusion the piggy bank is the most worthless item in the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>56116004
the twins will be going kb + m, with fuwawa on mouse and mococo on keyboard.

[Anonymous No.]

Any holomem played as Azki yet? I'm curious to see if her skill got updated now she is a map lady

[Anonymous No.]

>>56116633
It scales with things that increase coin generation. If you get piggy bank and supa early and have coins upgraded from the shop it ends up contributing something like 30-40k for a stage clear.

[Anonymous No.]

ok, whats the easiest way to grind for this? Isnt +2 like 95%?

[Anonymous No.]

Stun Sticker didn't drop for some reason and cost me the 40 minute clear. Sucks because pretty much everything else had really good RNG. Glasses + Halu got my speed high enough to outrun Yagoos almost up until the end, so I'll just ditch Squeaks and fire both stune weapons ahead of me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56117020
>remove all your upgrade chance shop upgrades.
>Get it naturally when gunning for gachikoi

[Anonymous No.]

>>56117020
You have to remove the shop upgrade, but other than that just upgrade everything until it fails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56117020
Remove upgrade into success rate then play Kaela and pray.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56117020
Make sure to remove your upgrade, base chance of +1 to +2 is 90%. Easiest strat is probably pick Credit Card and Halu then try to upgrade every single weapon you get to +2, then collab them and try upgrading it to +2 again.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to fucking play but I'm tired of grinding the old stages...
stop with the EA streams I can't watch just release the damn thing....

[Anonymous No.]

the holos getting EA was fine
The guy on the credits getting EA was ok
But why the fuck do these random ecelebs get EA as well? It kinda leaves a sour taste in my mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>56118029
Why? Youtubers getting early access to video games is completely normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56116335
They have not seen the math.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56116335
Assuming you are doing infinite instead of stage, you should always be going for crit. It's a free damage multiplier, and it's higher than Gorilla Paw (1.3 VS 1.5).

[Anonymous No.]

>>56118029
Because ever since the Steam announcement HoloCure has gone mainstream. Last I checked he said over 200,000 are waiting to play the game which is substantially more than whoever played it from the itch.io download. It's no longer a game seen as just a game for Hololive fans.

With that in mind it makes more sense why non-Holos are getting early access.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56118659
When you're doing infinite you take it anyway because you'll get more than enough levels to offset the crit loss. If you're not doing infinite you take it because it's very low investment and crit doesn't become a valuable damage stat unless you take and build multiple items to boost your crit rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56117174
>>56117200
>>56117237
>>56117518
first run! poggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>56118913
NTA but there's little reason to pick Gorilla's Paw when Face Mask exists. It provides the 1.3 multiplier instantly, also gives 10% Haste, and since it can't be upgraded further you waste no level to upgrade it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56119578
Face Mask comes with an obvious major downside and it's not like you're choosing between one or the other. Just grab both if you want to go glass canon.

[Anonymous No.]

Well? Are the fucking achievements going to transfer to steam?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56119578
Someone did the math and if you have 48% of crit before the penalty of Gorilla's Paw is a dps gain over Hope Soda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120239
This has already been confirmed

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120239
Yes and no. Steam has a hard limit of 100 achievements for new games due to retards releasing shovelware with thousands of achievements purely to bait faggots who care about meaningless points. HoloCure currently has more than 100 achievements so the 0.6 version had to cut a lot of them out. All the achievements that remained will transfer over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120432
How is that allowed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120434
Hopefully they can get more cheevo slots, but for now I think they should cut out all of the "clear one stage with x character" ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>56118769
It had well over 200k DLs on itch.io too. All the Hololive and holofan vtubers playing it really did a good job of pushing it.

But Steam release is still going to be big. With the amount of people waiting for the release, it's basically guaranteed to get trending - and that's when Steam itself would start promoting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120713
>It had well over 200k DLs on itch.io too.
That's total downloads anon. Total downloads for a game that counts repeated downloads for version updates as new downloads.

If you don't want to take my word for it just look at Kay Yu's twitter posts. He's actually nervous about the fact that the game is blowing up so much which means it's drawing in a crowd outside of Hololive fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56120547
They can just keep the internal in game acheivments and leave a limited amount to show up on Steam

[Anonymous No.]

>>56119812
>an obvious major downside
As with everything, just git gud and don't get hit. Obviously you will try to get both in 0.6 since Sacred Flame but currently there's almost no reason to pick it unless you plan to not invest in Crit at all.
>>56120362
Well it was a comparison between Paw and Mask, not Soda...

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Should they "fix" double enchantments?
Its annoying having to remember which ones actually work and which ones I need to reroll away

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>>56120547
>Hopefully they can get more cheevo slots
It's definitely getting more, this is just a matter of jumping through hoops to get to that point.
>>56121078
>currently there's almost no reason to pick it unless you plan to not invest in Crit at all.
For any character not built around crit you need to take both GWS Pill and Sake and have Hope Soda for crit to outperform Gorilla's Paw. That's a whole lot of levels on top of gimping your special usage just to outperform what you get from three levels for Gorilla's Paw.

This is simple math anon. If you're not playing a crit character you take Gorilla's Paw unless you have some obsession with dumping excessive levels and wasting three times the item slots for a very minor damage gain.

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>>56121521
Can you read the
>unless you plan to not invest in Crit at all.
part? I literally typed the case where you'd want to pick Paw.

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>>56121958
And I said that from the very beginning which is why I don't understand why you're bringing that up at all.

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>>56122090
Because my original point was that you'd rather pick Face Mask rather than Gorilla's Paw. Face Mask gives 1.3 multiplier, 10% Haste(2 Haste Up levels worth), and can't be upgraded. Gorilla's Paw gives 1.3x multiplier, -20% Crit(-7 Crit Up levels worth), and needs 2 more level to max it. Why shouldn't I just pick Face Mask and GWS Pill(9 Crit Up levels worth, 3 levels to max) and still have a way to increase my DPS ceiling by picking Crit Up upgrades instead of getting Face Mask and Gorilla's Paw for total of 1.6x multiplier but having no more way to increase my DPS after that?

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>>56123088
Because the drops are random, you silly goose. You pick what is better for you at the moment.

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>>56123088
>Because my original point was that you'd rather pick Face Mask rather than Gorilla's Paw.
And this is irrelevant because you can just take both. I can not fathom why you're choosing to die on this hill when I'm stating facts. You always take it if you're not playing a crit character. Simple as that.

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>>56119578
>take Face Mask
>get touched by Yagoo
>die

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Fucking faggot game would not drop my lifesteal sticker and I was still this fucking close. Is there some kind of limit that stops all the stickers from dropping or some shit?

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I forgot how much slower a fresh save gets levels, jesus

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>>56123778
maybe you fed or sold it on accident?

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>>56124261
Yeah the game feels pretty different going back and starting fresh. No Halu, no upgrades... only getting a few thousand coins for a stage clear and the enemies run almost as fast as you even in stage 1.

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>chat ignoring Gorrila's Paw on the character with 1% crit rate

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>>56124261
You can get stamps and Irys after a single stage 1 run with any Myth, then just keep clearing all the stages with her using usual method, and after clearing her 2H you have enough resources to make the game easy for all other characters . It's not that bad.

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>>56123463
Not anymore, old man. You eliminate stuff you don't want now, you have 10 of them.
>>56123648
Let's just agree to disagree at this point. I value the ability to scale a lot, and Gorilla's Paw completely kills it with the -20% Crit. Good thing Sacred Flame is coming so I will have a reason to pick it.
>>56123711
You die anyway if you get touched by YAGOO in normal setup. Either you go full damage, which means taking Face Mask, and never let them touch you by killing them first or you pick undying character and outheal them while tanking.

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>>56125428
>You eliminate stuff you don't want now, you have 10 of them.
Even with that, the armory is to bloated to guarantee you are going to get the item you want.
For example, items that I usually delete trying to fish the 'good ones':
>Chiken Feather
>Uber Sheep
>Full Meal
>Credit Card
>Study Glasses
>Credit Card
>Devil Hat
>Just Bandage
>Limiter
>Supper Chatto Time
>Stolen Piggy Bank
>Knightly Milk
>Bounce Ball
>Idol Costume
>BL Book
>Idol Song
>Headphones*
>Piki Piki Piman*
>Kusogaki Shackles*
>Inyection TypeAsacoco*
>Nurse's Horn*
>Plushie*
To me there is no reason to pass over a perfectly good item like Gorilla's Paw, unless you are planning to do a 30+ run for a theoretically better setup that maybe I can't build up.
tl;dr: Gorilla's Paw works very well in the setting of a Halu 5 Stage or a Endless run.

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AAAAAAAHHH!!!

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>tfw this game and monster hunter now are literally the only games I'm looking foward

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>>56127519
>cutting board on Sana

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Halu5 single weapon is too hard for me on hard stage 2 using Mori. I can only reach 26 minutes before I die.

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>>56127747
It did its job.
That's all that matters.

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Finally, I achieved this stupid goal! +Size on Water is like a cheat code for dealing with Yagoos.

>>56125428
>Either you go full damage, which means taking Face Mask, and never let them touch you by killing them first or you pick undying character and outheal them while tanking.
You can also stack speed and stun them with the sticker and Lamy Water.

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Just picked up the game. Isn't your run basically fucked if you dont get the nurse item

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>>56127434
Wtf are the good ones? Are you stupid?

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>>56127681
sounds like a you problem stupid doomerfaggot, why dont you go back to /v/

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>>56129380
Yeah, I for once am looking foward to Assassin's Creed Japan featuring Yasuke the first black samurai of color.

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>>56129273
Depends on your shop unlocks, character, and game mode. Horns are the strongest individual healing item and you definitely need some form of healing, but for normal stages especially you don't need to go meta.

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>>56129273
Some characters like Fauna and Okayu get so much healing with their own skills that the horns are completely redundant, otherwise what this anon >>56129501 said.

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>>56129325
You want to fish for Halu first. That give you 5 slots free that usually fall into Blacksmith Gear, Membership, Mask and/or Gorilla Paw, Energy Drink and maybe a item for dmg reduction like Body Pillow (or Plushie if you have a character that heals constantly like Irys, Choco or Sora). That is usually enough for me to finish the stage or even endless.
Ofc, items like Nurse's Horn that synergize well with characters like Sora, Choco or Fauna. And niche ones likes Kusogaki, Inyection and Piki Piki Piman.

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Just like in FF14, do the stage hazards only do damage once the warning marker disappears, and the animations don't actually hurt you? Or do the hurtboxes actually match with the animation?

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>>56129501
>>56129611
Guess I'm just getting some skill issue. I also don't get the colab combinations. I was thinking of it's Holo combos like Micomet but apparently Coco and Haachama doesn't have anything. Same with Rushia and Marine.

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What is Ame's new Awakened weapon? Does anyone have a screenshot?

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>>56131077
I think Ina is still the easiest Myth member to play on a fresh save, or maybe Mori if that helps.

Rushia doesn't have any items in the game (unless you attribute Cutting Board exclusively to her instead of flat girls in general) and afaik isn't even confirmed for later patches yet. The collabs do reference pairings, memes, etc., there just isn't a collab for everything.

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>>56131363
Well, tried running again. Apparently Miko Haachama and Cutting Board Suisei has no collab too.

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I'm playing on Linux using PlayOnLinux, which creates a windows filestructure to simulate a Windows computer (the absolute state of Linux gaming). Anyway, I'm pretty sure the game didn't save my progress. Do you have to manually save?

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>>56134532
>Do you have to manually save?
No.
Just use normal Wine, PoL has been fucky with save data for years.
>t. former maintainer of Wine/PoL among other things for a certain national distro

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>>56133108
>Miko Haachama
?
lava + cooking = elite cooking

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>>56128230
That still sounds pretty good. I've only really ran IRyS single weapon Halu but that goes right up to 30 if I don't do something dumb

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Do you guys think it's worth it to try and get 100% completion before the new update drops? It's going to be harder with the new characters and stages, right?

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I know it’s still months away, but what are the chances Rushia is added?

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>>56137225
Unironically less likely than homos.
The only thing pointing her ever being in we have is an old leddit post on Kay Yu's alt where the question
>Is there a chance to see Friend-C and Friend-R later on?
is replied with
>Yes
and nothing since. Meanwhile he has stated several times holostars will definitely be in, including in the Koefficient interview 2 months ago.
I have seen someone on Discord claiming to be one of the devs saying that 0.7 is
>JP3(no Rushia), stars JP1, and new AZKi
while we knew about the AZKi rework, people expected it for 0.6, so it might've been legit, or someone just got lucky pulling stuff out their ass.

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Is it me or is Haachama pretty difficult to solo weapon challenge

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>>56129611
Fauna still procs her branch skill on every Horn heal.