/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone else here been converted from a homobeggar/homo-tolerator to a unicorn? What was it like looking forward to males and ending up being so beyond disappointed and dismayed that you change your stance?

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>>55541048
I've been converted from unicorn to homobeggar.
Only way to cope when your oshi cucks you

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>>55541048
i wouldn't say i was a homobeggar, but i genuinly used to like nijiEN before tempus came around. They had different vibes and I was fine with that, but once it became clear that hololive was trying to turn hololive into nijisanji with tempus, i began to hate nijisanji out of principal, their success is what led hololive to try that BS with tempus and therefore my disdain for tempus made be hate niji as well. Before that I actually watched a few cross-gender collabs with niji and had no problem with it but afterwards, it wasn't the same

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>>55541306
based
spbp

[Anonymous No.]

JP Holostars genuinely don't bother me. Shien and Ouga are cool in my book. EN shit I avoid like the plague.

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>>55541048
Started to exsclusivly watch tempus after they debuted. I was and still am tired of the cocomelon with tits GFE type approach a lot of female chuubas try to do, it's fucking weird and so transparent they're just trying to milk cash out of lonely faggots like me. NijiEN was fun but the drama kind of ruined it and Enna constantly taking the bait. Tempus on the other hand was fucking great, they streamed, no bullshit, only drama was the fans being a bunch of faggots. They've lost a lot of steam and Vesper seems like a ticking time bomb, especially if he actually ends up never coming back, but even then they're still my go to chuubas.

>>55541306
No idea how Tempus could cause this ammount of seethe in you and cause you to hate niji. They never did anything wrong. The collabs with the girls for like DbD and worms? That shit was tame. Hardly vox or Uki barging into a girls only stream and talking about dicks.

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>>55541693
this
i never stopped tolerating male vtubers because i systematically avoid everything EN

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>>55541048
I only like Vesper and Shinri, and I'm going to keep it that way.

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>>55541048
Do you just like wake up and put a homo thread every single day of your life? Like everytime I wanna hide a thread, another one pops up. Like BITCH I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME SHIORI THREADS. HOLY SHIT. DUDE. ARE YOU GAY? LIKE ACTUALLY GAY? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO HIDE THESE SHIT ASS THREADS?! I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME CUTE GIRLS AND SHIT BUT THEN I SEE THIS AT THE TOP OF CATALOG. BRO IF YOU WANNA POST MEN DO IT IN /MANS/ DO IT IN /STARS/.. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A RETARDED FAGGOT. LIKE HOLY SHIT

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>>55541048
i have been converted from unicorn to homo-tolerator because /vt/ keep posting about them.

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>>55541821
i don't care i tempus was a group of fucking priests, i don't want male vtubers involved in my CGDCT corpo. when there was a seperate group doing that stuff and it didn't effect hololive, i didn't care. But as soon as tempus tainted hololive, i realized that the disease was started by nijisanji

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>>55542029
>makes fun of holostars and expresses general disdain for them
>what are you gay?
homobeggars might just be the stupidest people on this planet

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>>55542029
you should keep bumping and posting in threads you hate, it's a good thing to do

[Anonymous No.]

I am not an unicorn nor an homobeggar, I watch hololive (and filian) for what it is; entertainment by entertainers. But since they changed vesper model, everything is ruined. It felt like when your old good software suddenly change its interface and you no more want to use it. That may sounds ridiculous but that what it is for me.

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>>55542553
And Aryan new design is sad too

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>>55542671
Auto-correction fucked me here, I meant Aruran (which btw is actually not an Aryan, only honorary).

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>>55541048
Eh, still tolerates but mostly because my oshi don't care one bit about 'em. Idk if she pull 360 no scoperino like kronster tho.

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>>55542365
YES. THATS YOU BEING GAY, YOU CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT DUDES BRO! FUCKING DUDES! LIKE IVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A MENTALLY ILL MOTHERFUCKER IN MY LIFE. I PREFER THE CATALOG SPAM ADVENT THREADS ON THE DAILY THAN HAVE THIS DUMB EXCUSE OF A THREAD EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK.

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>>55541048
Yep that's me. I even celebrated the 'equality' luxiem was going to bring.
Then the dick and cum jokes started. Never stopped. all good content died in nijien while luxiem fans kept screeching 'hurr durr just watch stuff without them' when at the time that meant watching practically nothing.
Almost overnight the branch turned into something unrecognisable.

I didn't give tempiss the same benefit of the doubt. guilty until proven innocent after luxiem. with how pathetic the homobeggars are and how much they keep trying to push a culture war, on top of magni and vespers prima donna antics it's clear to me I was right to side against the venture out the gate.

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>>55543062
we hate these faggots you stupid bastard, if you can't figure out why we are posting about them then you are stupider then I thought

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>>55542891
People thought the same about Suisei then cover forced her to do a performance with holostars during the new year show. then she called Roberu on stream out of nowhere, pledged to him to make 2023 the year of hololive-holostars collaboration. Then went on Roberu stream and talked about dating and all. How low Suisei unicorns have fall, I am asking you.

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>>55542365
I'm guessing this is you OP? It's clear you have like a grudge on male vtubers.

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>>55543289
A. i'm not OP, B. Is it your first time here?

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>>55543198
Who the fuck is "we" bitch? Just (You)? Don't fucking speak for me and everyone else here. This isn't your personal army bitch faggot.

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>>55541048
I used to watch mixed collabs before Luxiem and i used to watch Luxiem, but i also liked to watch girls streams... And it's became almost impossible to catch even a SOLO girl stream, without fag in chat/voicechat, and i'm not gonna mention collabs. And because of sisters you couldn't even complain cause they just started screaching endlessly at you the moment you said anything bad about their cocklords, so i slowly started hating nijiEN and sisters. I came back to Holo and... Cause Cover obviously tried to copy this shit, i started hating Stars, you has to gatekeep this otherwise you will eat a pile of shit
>>55543186
This

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>>55543450
No, I just assumed. Whatever since you're not OP it's very clear you have a grudge on harmless male vtubers. Care to explain?

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>>55541048
i unsubscribed when gray guy got suspended and the blue one went political

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>>55543205
Anon the New Year performance was a repeat of a cover she had done a year before with the same two people. Please don't be stupid.

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>>55543748
holy shit dude just say you are new here and go read the fucking archive, i'm not gonna spell it out for you if you don't already know, you don't even need to resort to the archive, there's plenty of posts in the catalogue explaining it

[Anonymous No.]

>>55543748
>Harmless
They are fucking the Holo EN girls while you keep simping like a cuck.

[Anonymous No.]

I gave up on them after the Vesper drama (first season) and I've lost my interest for the rest of them ,Except Bettle since I liked him even before his holo days

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>>55541048
I haven't been the same ever since that pufferfeesh collab.

[Anonymous No.]

What a weird thread

[Anonymous No.]

Incels hate watching male-female interaction; it reminds them what they can't have resulting in a lot of frustration turning into suffering which they associate back to male-female collab. An reinforcing loop leading to darkness. It's an old known pattern that was already explained years ago in Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm actually a female unicorn (for males), turned female unicorn (for girls). I was a big fan of Holostars EN at the beginning, but the constant Collab spam soured it for me and I unmembered and unsubbed Altare after the wheel of Tempus Collab. Apparently things are better now, but now I can't shake the feeling male vtubers will do anything in their power to fuck their female co-workers and don't give two shits about CBDCT.
I can't stand Luxiem either because they're all whores, so I became disillusioned with the whole male Vtuber thing and realized most of them are obsessed with owning incels instead of providing good content. Obviously not all of them are like that, but for some reason they seem to be flakier when it comes to no mixed gender shit (see Vox throwing his fanbase under the bus after Reimu acted like a cunt), and are painfully obvious about how they only see you as a wallet. Even a 2view I oshi'd became Aia's bitch.
Nowadays I only stick to female vtubers because they are still a lot of them that respect idol culture, and I'm having a great time supporting them without fear of them being sexual pests only in it so they can fuck their co-workers.
The fact that I'm bisexual made the transition from male to female vtubers not that hard tho, and the cuteness overload it's better when it comes from women, especially when it comes to ASMR.

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>>55544315
the tempus astroturfers are really going all out huh... it'd be less obvious if you guys weren't all saying the most generic twitter/reddit opinions i've ever seen

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>>55544026
When the performance was shown, she was reacting live and panicked, saying stuff like "but, guys, I didn't practiced with them in the same room, trust me". Then "the call" to Roberu happened and everything changed forever. I support Suisei for doing this btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
I was a literal homobeggar
Now I'm a CGDCT sister
Male vtubers are yabai
Searching a male oshi is like searching for a gem hidden inside a pile of turd
They ruined the male vtuber market for me, unironically
If top corpos can't filter and select decent males, You can imagine how bad it is outside. I'm scared of oshi-ing an indie one

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>>55544493
It's not a generic opinion but a scientific truth proven by years of research on human psyche.

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>>55544545
inb4 she goes down the same route as pretty much every other hologirl who does these collabs, realizing it's way too much effort to collab with the boys and deal with the backlash so they just throw you guys a bone every few months to shut up the beggars and avoid holostars the rest of the time, most of the stars collabors have taken this approach, even bae who was a huge holostars fan doesn't bother collabing with them very often cause it literally isn't worth it, why bother? to own the incels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55544319
>Even a 2view I oshi'd became Aia's bitch.
L-leo anon is that you?

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>>55544759
another generic opinion, you're not helping your case here discord-sister

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>>55544204
If that's a translation for
>They're just co workers with a very platonic interaction.
Cool. I can work with that.

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>>55544315
Incels think that being fan means your oshi can't have a boyfriend/husband or have casual sex because they need to be "devoted" to their fans.
I gotta admit though that throwing money and simping for a woman who's taken is a prime example of beta cuck behaviour.

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>>55544142
Why you so mad bro? Take your maintenance meds if you don't feel like talking then dick wad

[Anonymous No.]

I used to be a unityfag that support them and watch their streams until they started pushing the mixed collabs and wanting to be included in every hololive related-events. I completely stopped supporting them after they took the holoexpo tour session while simultaneously streaming and overlapping the main holoexpo stream. Their fans are also annoying af with their collab begging faggotery

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>>55544892
Men and women can't be friends, this has been proven thousands of times.
There will always be a deep attraction from both sides.

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>>55545072
its funny how people say we've had no female friends and yet the people who don't realize this simple fact have clearly never been in a mixed-gender friend group

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>>55544949
Is leaving a tip to a waitress who has a bf making you a cuck or you are just retributing a work well done? I have never sent any money on internet but if I had plenty I may have. You entertained me well, here your five dollars. This how I see donation to streamers.

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>>55544319
Based FemUnicorn anon

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>>55545072
Are you then attracted to you mom or sis, creep?

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>>55545369
They aren't my friends retard. They are my family.

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>>55545072
You've been watching a lot of anime if you think men and women can't be friends. It is not only the stupidest take but also the most retarded one yet.

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>>55541048
>homo-tolerator
yes me. I dropped nijiEN minus Pomu long ago then dropped Pomu a couple of months back, 2023 hasn't been a stellar year for her.

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>>55545072
>this has been proven thousands of times.
Shit I was friends with my female co worker for years. Your statement is false bitch lol

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>>55545588
These dudes never had any female friend (or friend at all) but will somehow explain to you the ins and outs of male-female sociology like true experts. This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
I was definitely a homo tolerator at the beginning, but after they made it clear that DA BOYZ were supposed to be EN3 and the collab spam started, I did a heel-face turn and never watched them again. I would not have minded them if they were an entirely separate thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55545588
I have been in a lot of actual friend groups unlike you.
Women get male friends to find someone they can potentially date with safety, since most don't like dating random unknown men.
Men are the same, we are attracted to most females in a friendly group.

If you need any more proof of this just watch F.R.I.E.N.D.S. since you are incapable of having human interaction.
All of 3 male cast and 3 female cast who were friends end up dating each other or having casual sex multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually tolerate some EN stars, maybe it's the weaboo in me, I don't watch them, but as long as they don't collab with my Oshi I'm ok with them

EN Stars no, I can't stand them, I used to respect Vesper but his menhera behavior showed me his true self, I tried to like Magni too but damn he's such a whinny faggot
I actually feel bad for the doggo but nah I Just don't find them entertaining, I gave them a chance but no, I want to see cute girls doing cute things, and it's not only that girls are cuter, some of them are more talented than any of the guys (better gamers, singers and just funnier)

They can exist but they should realize one thing; most people don't want to see male vtubers (not everyone can be Kuzuha), it's the way it is, you shouldn't complain, cry or blame others, there are other ways a man can become a successful streamer
I hate their fans, not all of them but most femcels and homosexuals who frequent this place are the worst posters

[Anonymous No.]

>>55545588
https://youtu.be/T_lh5fR4DMA

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>>55544315
You either have simps that throw money at you because you're a cute single woman or you don't. They're clearly inviting it by conveniently all being cute single women on the internet. Can't have it both ways sis.

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>>55545308
That's completely different you autistic fuck. You are paying for the food and place, not for a waiter to be nice to you. Paying for the attention of a girl who is already dating someone else will always be cuck behavior. Why is this so hard to understand?

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>>55541693
This. I watch holostars from time to time, tempus remind me of NijiEN and indie EN scene so I avoided them.

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>>55545659
And you never made a move on her? Just admit you are gay then.

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>>55541048
>Has anyone else here been converted from a homobeggar/homo-tolerator to a unicorn?
Not unicorn but all I wanted was a proper brotuber not these faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

because they fucking destroyed /nijiEN/ and the drama vultures picked the carcass and left nothing behind
I can't talk about any liver without a dozen SEA shitposts about "R THEY FUCKIN?" "LUCA'S COCKSLEEVE LOLE"
God I don't even care if they actually are fucking I just never want to see or hear about any of them again

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>>55541048
I did when StarsEN was obviously gonna happen, the JP dudes werent that big of a deal but I saw where the EN fanbase was headed and knew it would end up this way.

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I genuinely liked luxiem when they debuted and watched all of them specially vox and mysta but the pandering to fujos and their parasocial tendencies was too much.

It's a shame because they were more entertaining than most of the girls.

Tried to like tempus but they were bland from the beginning and never could understand the "brotuber" appeal, they are just so fucking boring.

If I could I would sacrifice tempus for early luxiem over and over again.

Why sisters have to ruin everything.

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>>55545072
The froot saga already a proven case, 1 girl get invites into a boy discord and wreck havoc on their relationship. Now those men banned any girls into their discord group. It's from ant video.

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>>55543062
keep malding sister

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>>55545659
And yet most company made a clear rule not to form romance relationship in the same company. I wonder why? Maybe because it happen too frequently.

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>>55545955
Or just bigbang theory, they already mention bts how most of them have been dating with each other.

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>>55545588
Only woman think men can be friend with woman unironically. If you a woman, you can just ask your male friend to fuck you with no consequences and they will do it instantly. This even happen with my friends, if men know there no emotional baggage involve for sex, they would do it.

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>>55545588
They ca be friends, but they are in a constant state of being 10 words away from a fuck.
In my friend group,we had a married couple that hung out with us, as soon as they divorced she started dating another friend in the group.
Mind you this was after 5+ years of playing games online together being just "friends" because she was married that period.

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>>55541048
Im still not really an anti homobeggar. Im fine with Niji JP and those Holo JP vtubers collabing with males like Sora, Fubuki, Matsuri, Towa etc. I also liked Luxiem in their very early days. I turned into anti EN homo when they started obvious circlejerk trash and fully and blatantly pandered to fujoshits. Especially Tempiss were shit from day one except for Vesper, but he also went full homo and fucked EN up fucking twice despite Yagoos direct encouragement right after his comeback.

Most JP male vtubers dont blatantly pander to fujoshits. They just act like TV talents for evereyone. EN is too different from that. At least Tempiss should be dismantled. They are 2views and they dont do anything worth watching. Western men cant be a bro vtuber or a decent entertainer.

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>>55547915
Let them cope with their belief

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>>55541048
You've no idea how annoyed that I cannot remove that fag's face from my Membership page, even if expired.
Holo girls fan, but I used to watch him and Magni quite a lot, but the moment they all turned back on their "no collab with girls" promises, I knew it just gonna went downhill from here.
That, and also Altare's "Yes there will be more collabs with Niji. Things need to change in Hololive" agenda. The whole thing just reeks of SJW shit to me.

[Anonymous No.]

my oshi collabed with a male once and a few months later they were dating, then she gave up vtubing

never again

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>>55548739
yeah, it's a red flag if they keep collabing with same one male more than once

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>>55541048
I was just a tolerator, hate any kind of beggars, but after my past oshi streamed with boring men for many times, I became an anti inferior male - superior female collab. Will still tolerate big male streamer collab with my oshi tho

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>>55541048
As someone whose oshi is in StarsJP I used to hope for collabs between them and the girls sometime until early 2021. To keep it simple I noticed all the drama that came from co-ed collabs, how insufferable beggars in chat were (and still are), and realized those begging never actually watched the Stars at all. Having a female on stream also completely changes the usual dynamic because the boys have to tone down their jokes and walk on eggshells, ruining the "dumb guys shooting the shit together" atmosphere. Separating the genders is beneficial for both parties because the same can be said about having a male in a female stream and only 1% of those collabs aren't awkward or flirty.
And since Tempus is in the OP I was also dreading them for what exactly happened after the collab ban was lifted early. I do not hate them but I never asked for an EN branch and I wouldn't bat an eye if it dissolved.

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>>55547628
>Why sisters have to ruin everything.
This is also my problem with Tempus, I walk into /mans/ to see if there's anything interesting going on and they're all talking about how they want the guys to make buttbabies with each other. It's abhorrent

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>>55548666
lol this is a tragedy.

[Anonymous No.]

I was the opposite. I had watched some clips of jp males and outside of thinking the winning son clip was a bit amusing, I saw no reason to watch men. Then luxiem debuted and it was like I had been woken up from a 2 year brainwashing. I realized what I always knew; with some extreme exceptions, women aren’t funny or entertaining. The only reason I liked vtubers was the dichotomy of anime people acting like real people, and now I had that with the content I actually wanted to watch. At least that’s how it was supposed to go, but then the women in the audience transformed luxiem’s content into something unrecognizable, which arguably poisoned the well for male vtubers everywhere. Then Tempus came out and I was happy to have that as a retry, and it was great for a while. Judge Magni is unironically the best piece of content a group of vtubers have made (at least in EN). Then the drama starte and the unity was broken. VG came along and it felt like they were appealing to a different audience, with one bright spot in Bettel who acted exactly like my favorite YouTubers of old mixed with fun modern streamers like Jerma and Vinesauce. Now the only vtubers I watch are him, Nyanners and Neuro-sama, all while i research ways to make male vtubers liked by men again even if it means I have to open up a male agency myself.

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>>55548666
kek never trust male chuubas

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>>55541048
I never had a problem with StarsJP, I defended the ougaman, astel and supported more collabs with them. But when Tempus appeared I felt like a fucking timeline went through my eyes where holoEN become like NijiEN , males joining to any stream just because they want, derailing the stream to give them attention, and the awful ad campaign of omega and tempiss really made me wanna kill every single starsEN. Now I don't think the tempiss 2 are that bad even if I don't even know the voices of 3, but the homobeggars fans of tempiss are a fucking plague that must be purged, if you just like them no problem

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>>55545997
> see cute girls doing cute things
How is playing games a cute thing?

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>>55546404
Damn, I could never really figure out why I like JP Stars but really dislike Tempus but that explains it.

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>>55545659
she didn't really consider you a friend

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>>55548172
This is false, I tried it in college with two people, it was the cringiest thing ever and it hurts my soul to this day; the worst part was that one of my best friends was there when I asked them and she was so supportive (one of the guys I was asking liked her a lot, and I mean a lot)

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>>55544319
>Even a 2view I oshi'd became Aia's bitch
I still believe Aia and Scarle paid too much attention to a literally 2view just to own some faceless users in a Mongolian basket weaving forum. The Leo situation was truly unfortunate.

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>>55541048
I didn't become a unicorn but I did give them a shot. I only like Magni and Bettel, hate Vesper and Altare, The rest are fine but not interesting.Mostly none of their game choices appeal to me. Hakka and Flay played some action platformers and retro games but sucked at it... shame.

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>>55548666
Kek same. I was legit impressed by Tempus after their debut
>Magni's antics
>Vesper's "he loved Baldur Gate 2 oh my gawd just like me frfr" gimmick, also his Factorio and Dwarf Fortress streams
>that Hunt Showdown collab where Altare and Vesper coordinated to snipe 2 mobs at the same time. Literally cannot find moments like that among Holo girls
First 3 months were GREAT.
Then came the tumbling down, as mentioned by all the other posts ITT.

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>>55549547
You are too ugly in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55549547
It doesn’t work on men with a lot of options, which I assume these 2 did. Either that or they’re asexual.

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>>55541048
I was okay with the homo. I even gave them some SCs.
My sentiment changed when one of my oshis had a collab with a dude that I don't know
The stream vibes haven't been the same since then
It went from cute to indifferent. I'm afraid that it would reach to my other oshis
Being a unicorn is a defense mechanism
I think the homos are okay, but I don't want to promote any element that has a potential to alter my enjoyment

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
Seems like it happened to a lot of anons. I wasn't a homobeggar but gave them the benefit of the doubt when Tempus got so heavily memed here only for it turn out that they weren't my thing and homobeggars being so obnoxious while many of them seem to practically only support them if they collab with the girls to spite the "problematic" fanbase and idol culture along with EN management shit like
>By popular demand...
the constant pushing of their content through Hololive channels (and the mixing of the twitter account) and finally the unnecessary and early 2nd gen when everyone was waiting for EN3 (to the point that even normalfags on reddit got disillusioned and went "wtf? who is this for?") really soured me on the entire thing.

On a sidenote, I used to play Genshin Impact and now casually play Star Rail and it's uncanny how those games go through very similar shit (Star Rail to a lesser degree but it's still obvious). The female characters sell much better and in spite of that they get intentionally held back while all that gets pushed is males, males, males for the same kinda obnoxious fanbase that seems to be only capable of enjoying their thing by ruining everything for others and never even supporting it in a way that matters. And looking at Nijisanji as well, fujohomos seem like pure poison to go for as fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>japanese males are okay, it's just westerners who can't read the room and start being all flirty and disgusting. i'm not interested in cuck offcol- ACK

[Anonymous No.]

theres no western bro vtuber. it took three or four years until we got fwmc who can bring the genuine jp experience so maybe just maybe we can get a true bro en vtuber or a professional one someday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55551062
I hope she rapes him on stream. It would be kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
Before tempiss existed i enjoyed watching some holostars JP as an entire different franchise of hololive. There were some collab here and here but they were more like a one piece naruto collab episode kind of shit. (despide lot of them being actually FPS shit content so i would have rather done without).
Now tempiss debut... I already had low trust in a subset of the EN audience, too americanoretarded, but well i gave them a chance, the design were shit but well, that is actually a good thing.
I knew a very little bit about vesper past life and kinda have some hope and his attitude first week 'you live or die by you solo content" kind of lie gave me more hope despide as expected, the ameriturd sttarted acting like thrash already srarting to sour my opinion on the branch, also the forced holopro by EN management was bad, supporting the previous retards.
And then everything goes downhill. after one month i was convinced disbaning the branch was the good call.
Then homobeggar outing themselves as snowflakes crybaby who don't even watch their males signed the deal for me. Now i'm for all homostars extermination, they are cockroach to me.

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>>55541693
I wonder if tempus would've been better received if was just the second batch and the first never debuted. I don't follow them at all, but whenever some shit happens it is always ALWAYS one of the first four dudes. I don't even know the ones that came later by name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55547238
>see picture of Pomu or Rosemi
>immediately respond with “isn’t that Luca’s cumrag?”
>laugh to myself and move on.

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>>55541048
not a homobegger and not a unicorn, only really watch shinri and a little bit of bettel now, used to watch mag before he lost all his drive and vesper before he became a drama whore. didn't see an issue with the hololive collabs so long as they were entertaining. it was nice to see somewhere substantial other than niji take a shot as male vtubers.
gen 2, while alright, was dropped way too early, tempus could have done so much better and it's omega's fault. as for both homobeggers and unicorns, i hate them both, they make this board insufferable

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>>55551537
The second batch is way too weak to have been the first four imo, only the initial four could have pulled it off although now I think Magni and Vesper were mistake hires despite their popularity

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>>55552064
>before he lost all his drive
What happened? I've stopped watching them since Jan

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>>55552144
honestly I don't know, I remember watching him play neon white not long before he vanished and he just seemed so depressed

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>>55541048
Oh man, story of my life. I was excited when they announced tempus. And I got even more excited that my erstwhile oshi, kronii, was going to collab with vesper. I thought it was going to be the most kino shit ever. Then she made that "girl boss" tweet, followed by omegatroon making its own tweet in support.

Cue LGBT freaks and their allies descending on the fandom to shit on them and lecture them on how things should be changed. On how idol culture sucked. On how the Japanese were "oppressing" women and other veritable nonsense. All sorts of abominations with rainbow and toothpaste flags were all over the place, claiming how "strong" kronii was and how shitty her fans were. So I noped, and noped hard. Now I'm a unicorn-leaning, CGDCT fag, if that makes sense.

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>>55552144
He started phoning it in not long after the second gen debuted

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>>55541048
Was a tolerator, but did not become a unicorn.
I fucking revile collabbeggars of any variety. I hate people hassling any of the girls to collab with any other girl. Homobeggars are particularly repugnant as they feel their harassment is just and righteous. When you tell them to fuck off they screech 'incel', 'unicorn' and 'idol culture bad'. They're almost Hololive antis. That said, I was still fine with the homos existing.
What really killed my tolerance was the 2nd lot of Tempus. I don't know what any of them sound like, I don't remember what their group is called, I've never watched any of their streams. For all I know they're great guys, the most entertaining vtubers to talk the earth. My issue is EN3 was further delayed for them. I am primarily a Hololive fan and was very much looking forward to EN3 when the 2nd lot of homos were announced. It made me feel like engaging with any HoloStars content had been a mistake. No matter how small it felt like I had played a part in Cover's decision to push forward with more homos when all I really wanted was more Hololive. So I now use what limited consumer power I have and completely avoid all HoloStars content.
I blocked all their channels on Youtube and Holodex and if they collab with the girls I simply won't watch. If Youtube recommends a clip with them in it I'll click 'not interested' and if the channel ONLY does Stars clips I'll click 'do not recommend channel'.
I don't have any strong feelings towards any of the male vtubers themselves, but for the sake of Hololive I would prefer if they and their homobeggars were gone.

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>>55542174
males vtubers and collabs with both genders are older than both hololive and nijisanji. this fate was inevitable.

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>>55552525
>My issue is EN3 was further delayed for them.
I understand feeling that at the time, but I implore you to consider that this might have been for the better. Had EN3 been put in the works sooner, we wouldn't have gotten Fuwamoco, who are without a doubt the standout of their gen. I agree with beggars though and wish there was a harder approach taken by Tempus to curb that, but Vesper encouraging it almost makes me glad he's gone

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I'm a straight man. I like watching NBA basketball. Now if suddenly, fucking women's soccer or even just women's basketball suddenly gets shoehorned into games, I'm gonna be fucking pissed because that's not what I want to watch. Why is this shit being shoved in front of me? That doesn't mean I'm suddenly an incel who wants to fuck all the NBA players. I'm not worried about the NBA players falling in love with or fucking women's soccer players (have you SEEN Megan Rapinoe) or those fucking things they call "female" basketball players. I just wanted to watch what I thought was entertaining.

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>>55541048
I fell for the brotuber meme

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>>55541048
Was never a beggar, not even between girls.
I watched some Vesper at first, then eventually got bored of his zatsus since he was clearly running out of stories, and I started feeling he might be embellishing them.
The rest of the tempus content never appealed to me, especially the ones with designs that were bound to attract yumes/fujos/homos.
I started from neutral/apathetic, then gradually became more negative over time, but more towards Cover due to how they completely dropped the ball the past year, culminating in debuting tempus 2 at the worst possible time in the worst possible way, making it obvious that they clearly couldn't support both holo EN and stars EN at the same time and were favoring the latter over the former.
As for the talents themselves, I don't really hate them, but I despise their fanbase filled with beggars and this retarded culture war they started with unicorns, and until recently, how management and stars EN weren't trying to dissuade such begging.
Given how it all shook out, I think tempus was a mistake.
If it was all better executed and stars EN was more like stars JP, then maybe it would've all worked out fine.

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>>55541048
>What was it like looking forward to males and ending up being so beyond disappointed and dismayed that you change your stance?
I wasn't a homobeggar but I had optimism that Tempus would just be some cool bros doing cool bro things and I was willing to give them a chance. Then Magni dropped the love potion and I noped out. But at least they'd never do intergender collabs, right? EN management wouldn't be stupid enough to let that happen, right?
>intergender collabs happened
Ha ha! Time for total Homo death!

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>>55544545
Stop using my oshi for your schizoposting.

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>>55542166
Based

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>>55550782
>I used to play Genshin Impact and now casually play Star Rail
The same thing happened to HI3. Every playable character were girls and the only males were either villains or Welt. One of the villains Kevin had a sidekick introduced named Su some time along the Flamechaser arc, and some time after Genshin exploded Kevin/Su overtook every fucking ship on the Ao3 popularity list. You read that right: a singular male pairing is the most popular in an all-girls' gacha game.
The takeaway here is that once a franchise has something fujos can magnetize to, they will attract to it HARD, and they will begin to influence the franchise at critical mass. I believe this is why Star Rail (a game with both genders playable) was ultimately made, and i believe this is the fate NijiEN has suffered. It particularly becomes a problem in Vtubing because there are real actors behind the characters, and these actors can be compelled to change on the whim by demand of whatever new audience floods in independent of the direction the company intends to. I'm thankful that Omegatranny got fired before he steered HoloEN in that direction.

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>>55552817
What's done is done. How it turned out is how it turned out. I'm glad we got who we got in Advent despite some schizos best efforts to try and make me hate some of them.
None of this makes me feel better about Tempus. If Tempus didn't exist Advent probably would have debuted recently anyway except they'd have been EN4 instead of EN3. If Tempus didn't exist we wouldn't have most of the homobeggars we have.
The only thing that could make me happy about their existence is if they were the direct cause for the changes in HoloEN management that has made the girls feel more supported recently. We'll likely never know what caused the overhaul so I'll likely never be happy about Tempus' continued existence.

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>>55551062
I feel like onee-shota collabs might tend to be more professional than same-physical-age mixed collabs in a western setting, possibly because the western mentality will avoid wanting to hint at pedophilia and will try to make interactions as non-romantic as possible.

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>>55544987
>I used to be a unityfag that support them and watch their streams until they started pushing the mixed collabs
falseflagger...

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>>55554612
>everyone I don't like is a falseflagger
Sure thing, sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541189
You're a reimufag aren't you

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>>55542029
This board has been invaded by /pol/fags and we all know how utterly obsessed with cuckshit they are.

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>>55554667
>anyone i don't like is a sister
yeah, Falseflagger

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>>55545072
>>55545588
>the seething incels in these replies
Jesus...

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>>55547791
go back to vox sister, you don't know who you're talking to broke ass bitch

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>>55546672
no? why would I? she's ugly as fuck.. moron
>>55549499
she did, but you wouldn't know that

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>>55545072
Depends how we define friends really.
Some define it as 1 on 1 relationship only. Some count big friend groups in it as well. If we going by second one, men and women can be friends.
But mixed gender friend groups will always have a couple that is a glue for that group.

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>>55541189
Bro…

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>>55541048
Not a unicorn but I am intolerable of vtuber homos and their deranged female fanbases now. They are even worse in niji where mixed collabs are normal, there's just something inherently wrong with male vtubers and what they attract.

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>>55552640
To you maybe, homobeggar, but nijisanji is not the ultimate vtubing form you seem to think it is.
If you choose to do CGDCT and/or GFE, you can’t also do male collabs. It just doesn’t work. People don’t need to expect romantic relationships with their Oshis to fucking revile male collabs because it doesn’t mix with the content. It’s like trying to knsert a man into a moe anime like K-On, doesn’t work. Or a second man in many of the harem animes, as that is about (you) putting yourself in the shoes of the protagonist.
Most vtuber viewers are straight men, especially in Hololive, therefore they’re not going to find a man cute or attractive, simple as that.

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>>55541048
Homo-tolerator nijifag to "unicorn." JP can make it work more or less because individual talents are more likely to respect what they are doing and their fans but Westernerns, with rare exceptions, just don't understand and don't take the industry seriously enough without a rigid framework. Cross-gender EN will always select for the worst kind of menhera retards and degrade into a shitshow.

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>>55554612
>Falseflagger
Unfortunately not, sister. I have truly been a fan of them, watched their streams, and bought their memberships. Thanks to the Tempus members who spammed the mixed collabs and created the Homobeggars fandom, I can finally ditch that fandom for good and I'm even becoming an anti Holostars myself.

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>>55556769
>>55548666
How do you live with this mark of shame?

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>>55556769
Did you steal this from me? Bro not cool

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>>55556180
>You are now reminded of the Rushia incident
Both suck. Deal with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>55556909
Learning is growing

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>>55556769
>Expired: Mar 29, 2023
>Expired: Mar 28, 2023
>Expired: Jan 24, 2023
This really feels like falseflagger. I would expect it to expire way sooner if what you say is true.

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>>55552144
If I had to guess, it was because Omega got canned and new management didn't see much value in Tempus. He probably saw the writing on the wall and started planning his exit strategy.

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>>55545072
>Men and women can't be friends,
Men and women can be friends; it's just that friendship is always forced on one side and that side tolerates it for a chance at something more down the line.

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>>55561759
That’s exactly what anon meant, men and women can’t be friends in the sense that they can’t "only" be friends

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>>55554877
That’s really delusional

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>>55555106
Mixed friend groups will also always behave differently whenever a girl is present that’s just a fact. That goes both ways, men and women will talk differently when it’s just their sex present, so it’ll never be truly the same to just mix them as if innate differences don’t exist.

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>>55541048
I was a Nijisanji fan during the "friendgroup experience" era in which nearly every stream was a collab, voice chats were always open, and the idea of the NijiEN family was heavily pushed. Fun at first, but over time the drama, yabs, and sex-pestery made me disillusioned with this idea that everyone in NijiEN are close friends. I grew to resent the males who were nearly always the source of the drama. Also got sick of the constant gay sex joke nonsense.

Switched over to watching indie and small corpo vtubers who don't collab with men. I tolerate male vtubers I guess, they exist. I don't mind. I just don't want to see them. I might count as unicorn just for my oshi though because I would drop her if she male-collabed.

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>>55560402
The expiration date shows that the last time I bought their membership was the previous month, and the holoexpo was held on March 18-19. When I found out that Tempus was doing streams that overlapping the holoexpo main stream, I immediately unsubscribed and blocked all the homos, regardless of whether I still had their membership or not.

I know that you homobeggars are retarded and can't even think with your tiny monkey brains. Thanks God for getting me out of your ridiculous fandom before your retaration could affect me.

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>>55551062
Pic related is no different than Rushia's obsession with Tamaki. We all know why most of her unicorns didn't have a problem with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55564241
>Gets called out for being a falseflagger
>Calls him homobeggar
What else is new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55556769
Sora and Kaela.. bro I think I have a hard time believing this. Even unity fags aren't this volatile. I highly doubt you were one

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>>55564241
>When I found out that Tempus was doing streams that overlapping the holoexpo main stream
If this is what makes you mad then you're already the stupidest motherfucker on the planet. It's just a fucking expo tour dumbass. I just wanna see some folks flex on their cosplay

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>>55551537
What'd Axel do?

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>>55567933
Nothing in particular, guy does over the top shit but never gets bonked. Anon is just exaggerating like a woman

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>>55567933
>>55568023
All of Tempus was instantly written off by any sane person after the disgusting underwear thing on twitter

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>>55547194
What in your eyes would be a proper brotuber?

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>>55541048
Before I had an oshi, I didn't care much about males, but I mostly stuck to clips of collabs
After finding my oshi, I became a Unicorn and want her to avoid dealing with men. I'm lucky that she understands that some of her fans are like this and responds accordingly

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>>55541048
I don't give a fuck I watch who I want.

[Anonymous No.]

I was into Tempus in the beginning. I still don't mind any of them personally but now I wish the branch never existed. I'm torn between generally agreeing that these girls should be selling a fantasy and not interacting with males, and being fucking embarrassed at the CGDCT crowd who hold the girls up to the exact same standards as unicorns, trying to excommunicate a girl for a single interaction on twitter or for a long-forgotten male collab that didn't effect the girl's channel trajectory at all.

[Anonymous No.]

For people who want a brotuber, what would make you want to watch a male vtuber over a normal streamer? The 'medium' of vtubing doesn't provide many advantages for a guy streamer who appeals to other dudes. A straight guy doesn't care if the guy he watches is ugly. If anything the model is a hindrance. His expressions are limited when he reacts to something- say goodbye to asmongold's sentient eyebrows or speed jumping out of his chair and into the camera. He can't film himself doing cool shit- you can't see Vesper build a pc or ride a bike or shoot a crossbow, you can only hear him talk about it or see photos of it.

It's hard to apply kayfabe to male vtubers as well. If he tried to act like an excited shonen anime character it would probably come off as cringe, like Nuxtaku or Flayon. I actually think characters like Vesper the relatable boomer vampire or Magni the hapless creatividad alchemist were well done, at least for a few months before everything went to shit- but the thing is most of the top male streamers already act like exaggerated cartoon versions of themselves- they don't need a cartoon or anime model to do so.

Then you have the situation where a guy may be charismatic but the model is just pasted on. As far as I can tell someone like Aethel is just some guy who plays video games like the other 99% of twitch. What benefit does the shirtless thirsttrap model offer to his male audience? If you are a charismatic guy you have far better opportunities to network as a fleshstreamer. A male vtuber is going to be stuck in the 'vtubing community' which is largely isolated from the rest of the streaming sphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55571316
For male streamers I vastly prefer no camera at all a la Vinny and Joel

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>>55571316
i'm having a hard time picturing male brotuber watchers spending a fuckton of money on merch and concerts like female fans do.
i'm not saying male vtubers need to aggressively bait yumes and fujos but i think a healthy middle would be a chuuba that's entertaining, with a good voice, and with a pretty boy model that appeals to female fans (that way they can make fanart and fantasize in their corner without the need for bait content). i don't watch a lot of ENs but many japanese vtubers and streamers are entertaining to male viewers but also popular with females without baiting because they have ikemen voices and models/avatars.
you don't actually need to do bait.

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>>55570923
But that’s not something people generally do. No one holds mumeis and faunas initial male collabing against them anymore because of how long ago it was and they didn’t really want to do it in the first place and did it more out of peer pressure. If mori or Kronii actually committed to not collabing with males anymore then most of those people would also come back, few people hold grudges against vtubers over years. They may dig out years old news that is new to them in that moment, but if it’s a thing they knew for a long time and they can see that the vtuber doesn’t do it anymore, most people will forgive them.
But yes, a CGDCT/GFE vtuber has no business interacting with male vtubers. Just go to literally any other vtubing group or go independent at that point.

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>>55571316
Most of the attributes I would want from a brotuber are present in the girls I watch. Chill, entertaining, plays games that interest me, stays in their lane, zero to minimal drama, earnest and hard-working. Of course I'm much more partial towards the girls because muh sexuality. But if, for example, none of the girls I like were playing games that interest me, and a genuine brotuber was playing a horror game or an RTS, I'd watch him instead and have fun doing so.

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>>55544315
>Star Wars
What happened in Star Wars? The movies always had women and men interacting.

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>>55572204
This. I used to occasionally tune into Magni or Vesper when they played something cool. But it soon became everything they did was a collab with the girls. And now they don't stream. It's just not interesting to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55544319
I respect that femanon

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>>55571948
You are just proving my point about conflating unicornfags and CGDCTfags. You brand the streamer and not the stream itself. Obviously you are not interested when Bae collabs with a male. Does that mean the rest of the solo streams and girl collabs she does that week aren't CGDCT? If FuwaMoco liked a picture of Regis Altare's dog on Twitter are they suddenly not CGDCT?

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>>55571316
As a guy the only thing I could ever see making me hooked on a male vtuber is them fully leaning into the music stuff. And personally, not in even the Astel aesthetic (which isn't bad, but just not my taste) but in a semi-serious asexual style Play the piano and guitar. Use DAWs on stream. Expound on their own ideas of how to make music.An anime dude with a not-garish design can take it a long way for stage presence and combining it with graphical effects. Have a reserved wry personality and take a purely professional approach to female collabs, the same way Suisei treats the Makita and Akiyama when they collab. It's all about the music, not much random fluff chatting on the side.
Basically, someone who could make it improvising jazz in bars, but they do vtubing because of the whole anime aesthetic and maybe because their secret dream is to LARP Kousei Arima on stage complete with whizzing effects.
...Yeah, Tempus really let me down.

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>>55541048
Not so much unicorn as in "males are not worth the trouble". Didn't care much when Mumei did the much baited collab with StarsJP, but now I don't want her to ever get in the same area code as a homo.

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>>55541048
I just want someone entertaining, it's not that deep

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>>55573508
Not that anon, but there's a certain grey area. Some actions, though, can indicate intent, which is why everyone is on a trigger with the new girls, since they're an unknown quantity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55573508
>If a woman is my loyal wife 6 days of the week but only takes a train of cocks on one day is she not loyal???

[Anonymous No.]

>>55573508
NTA, but
A streamer's streams don't exist in a vacuum independent of all their other streams. Every stream offers an insight into the streamer's character. And if they act differently for a male acquaintance on-stream, then act differently for the audience, then it sends a very strong signal of duplicity that changes that persistent mental representation of the streamer. That's why people ran with the whole 'she laughs differently' thing for Kronii for fucking half a year like a mental hangnail. And in that context - when there is such a gulf between how they treat a male acquaintance and how they treat their male audience - it turns it from "cute girls doing cute things" to "girl doing thing".

One striking example was Ollie's last Idol Showdown stream. She was playing the single-player or fighting bots all stream. Chat occassionally asked her whether she would fight viewers, but she basically ignored it. That's fine, she's probably not confident yet.
Then Oga suddenly DMs her. She gets excited. She instantly backs out and creates a room, gets him to join. Then she fights him for a few rounds. That's okay, it's pretty fun seeing how Oga gives her some chances, then beats the shit out of her. Not only that, he's probably way better than many viewers. That should have got rid of her supposed fear of fighting other people, right?
Except after Oga goes, she shills him a bit - then promptly returns to the single-player campaign. The natural progression should have been to fight viewers, but she doesn't do it. Even though she just demonstrated she's totally okay with fighting a VS match and that she's totally okay with getting dunked on.

Of course no one thinks Oga is ever going to fuck or even date Ollie for many reasons, including cultural and language barriers. But if you do things like that with such whiplash, you're setting it up so that even the most tolerant viewers believe that all the saccharine charm you're turning on is completely disingenuous, just you doing your job and without an ounce of your real feelings in it - because they think they've seen the 'real you' in such moments of dissonance. Of course, maybe that's just your coworker entertainer face, but it doesn't matter - you've shown that there's a huge difference in treatment between these guys you know, on stream, and your audience, who should be no different. After all, they're also guys with probably the same interests - but you won't give them the time of day! Not only that, you don't think there's anything weird in it. Of course you probably don't hate them, or even dislike them, but they're "just" audience. The line is very clearly drawn. So they put on the same act back, tell you they love you, will catch every stream, but they don't mean it either; and then your viewership slowly drifts away despite apparently no strong criticism.

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>>55576255
agreed

[Anonymous No.]

>>55556769
Based. Another brother seeing the light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
A based post? In a bait thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
wow, someone who actually knows what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
Very levelheaded and understandably illustrated post, very good job Anon

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>>55541048
I don’t watch luxiem so I was never really burnt too hard on male vtubers, wouldn’t ever call myself a beggar though, i still watch primarily women but some male vtubers are alright.

[Anonymous No.]

an intellectual among coomers?!?! IMPOSSIBLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
Males just suck at being vtubers, at least in EN.
I tried watched a lot of from every corpo and platform and just found them all boring. The quality of talents is extremely low and lightyears behind the girls. There is no unicorn aspect about it for me, I don't care when they collab in JP.
I guess most talented and charismatic guys in the west just end up being regular facecam or nocam streamers instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
Holy shit, so fucking articulate. Imma just copypaste this and use it against the next sister who goes "durr hurr virgin incel loser unicorn" when they can't understand how nuanced this situation is. Thanks again for making this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55548666
>Yes there will be more collabs with Niji. Things need to change in Hololive
Holy shit I remember that. It's been months and what changed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
I didn't care before, and still don't care now. It's just funny to see people seething their brains out at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
>they’re “just” audience
Yes
This is how it is, and this is how it always has been
The nature of streaming means that the streamer and audience have an emotional disconnect that can never be bridged, and frankly, should never be bridged
Any streamer would ALWAYS put their own friends in their lives before the fans, whether the streamer is male or female, the friends are male or female, the streamer is flesh or virtual, etc etc
Every single one of them sees you as “their audience”; they might provide a bit of lip service otherwise, but that’s all it is
And that’s the healthiest way for absolutely everyone involved

[Anonymous No.]

>>55576255
Why is it different if said friend is a girl? When a holo announces they will not stream because they're gonna hang out with other holo friends, everyone is happy instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55580636
Well it's true that from early on, Cover allowed Tempus 1 (and then 2) to collab outside of the company.
That's how /mans/ came to adopt rpr as an "unofficial Tempus boi".
BUT, we already know that the collab ban came from the Niji side, not Cover.
Once the "ban" was lifted, Twitterfags started salivating for imaginary shit like "Vox x Gura", but let's face it, once the obvious pairings (Mumei x Selen because they were long-time friends, Kiara x Pomu because idol fans) were checked off, most Holo girls barely ever collab with outsiders anymore. They just don't want to.
Which got interpreted by Reddit and Twitter as "The girls are afraid of the incel fans oh nyo where's my white knight armor".

[Anonymous No.]

>>55580846
>oh those people who disagree with me? They're just mad lol oooohh tasty tears
Extremely unproductive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55582065
>can never be bridged
Except for situations where they can be bridged. Anon explained an exact same scenario of Ollie not wanting to play with fans but immediately jumping on the opportunity of a male vtuber and then denied her fans again. She could easily have played a few games with her chat. This would’ve been a 100% equivalent scenario that is completely within reason to expect.
Why are you acting like there aren’t streamers who do this? People interact with their fans all the time, it wasn’t so much doing anything personal with their fans as much as it was denying them treatment that you easily could provide when you are perfectly fine with doing it for others.
>But they’re just her audience!
I don’t know why you don’t understand this, but as a streamer you should definitely try to appease your fans as much as you can whenever you can. You as a presumable homobeggar don’t have a problem being treated like the lowest of dirt understandably, but to normal viewers not as much into the cucking fetish, this asymmetrical treatment in cases where it absolutely could be symmetrical makes you feel less.
Streaming is a parasocial activity by nature, but not on purpose. You remedy that fact as much as you can as a streamer constantly, to have the audience be as comfortable with you as you can. That’s not specific to vtubers, every streamer tries to make their audience like them of course, which is a way of reducing that mental barrier between streamer and viewer. If you try to impose it even more you run into problems. It’s ceteris paribus detrimental to your streaming career to do intentional actions that distance yourself from your chat.

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>>55582065
Also, no one was talking about having her play with her fans OVER oga, she didn’t want to play with them before or after. That’s not prioritizing your friends over fans, that’s straight up ignoring them

[Anonymous No.]

>>55541048
I didn't like Tempus collabs with the Holo girls but it didn't make me go schizo insane either like most people here. I just ignored it. I still till this day don't know most of tempus guys names and that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

I have no problem watching homos, but I won't watch male-female collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55582233
1. For girls, a lot of girls get kind of get sick of being in situations where guys just insert themselves weirdly and dominate the scene/situation, so it's enjoyable to them to have entertainment that's just cute girls doing cute things and they don't have to think too hard about what the guys think.
2. For guys, the above reason about it being jarring in terms of how they interact with the audience. Males that identify as male won't be annoyed/immersion broken by girls interacting with girls because they are other girls -- they aren't guys. They don't socially identify as the other girls on the stream, so when they give them a kind of privileged position on stream, it's because they're talking to another girl. Duh.
3. For everyone else uuhh eerrr
cute girls

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>>55569031
Not their problem if Astel made the batsu. But you haven't watched that either

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>>55541048
I was a homo-tolerator for Tempiss before they spammed collabs with the girls and consequently caused drama between the girls and their fanbases
Since then I'm strictly anti all male vtubers

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>>55569031
imagine hating fun

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>>55589769
>>55590469
Sorry sisters

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I liked Vesper initially. The other 3 were shit right from the start, and Vesper ended up being a problem too.

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>>55541048
Collab beggar inherently shows No interest in that Vtuber

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>>55547628
vox was best whenever he was autistically ranting and not being a lewdtuber, some of the banter he had with fulgur early on was good too. I never cared for him outside of that but he became more and more of a flanderized version of himself so any interest in watching him died out

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>>55541048

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>>55541048
Me, I was not a homobeggar but I did watch them for a few months, I expected brotubers but got manheras and cunts instead.
Never again.

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>>55582065
shut up fauna

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>>55576255
Very well said.

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>>55600592
Why is it that Fauna hates her fans so much?

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>>55541048
Never been either

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>>55544319
I get you anon, I would've probably done the same thing if EN vtubers were my only option. There are some decent JP guys I watch nowadays, but somehow most western male vtubers turn out to be obsessed with female interaction, owning the unicorns, and just generally having no intention of trying to stick to CBDCT.

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>>55541048
Was a goslina for one of the holostar, but Tempus ruined that magic for me due to the amount of retarded new bitches they brought with them. I stopped watching most if Hololive and Holostars.
Stupid secondary whores that came after tempua are only there for the clout. They never cared about their content, compared to the Hololive unicorn "incels" who actually remembers their oshi song titles, tune in streams and remembers their birthdays. Seriously, the difference between pre and post Tempus fans in Holostars discord is like night and day.

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>>55612483
similar experience as yours but for niji. i honestly feel like i have more in common with male unicorns than i do with whatever specimens became fans after luxiem debuted.

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I wasnt a homobeggar but I was 100% willing to give stars a chance and support them if they behaved decently.
Magni inviting daph39 on was a wakeup call, Altare banning everyone in chat who talked about her completely public openly held beliefs was enough to write him off even before his "gotta support the cause" bullshit
and then the amount of hate and spiteful behaviour they expressed and encouraged towards the fans was the last straw.
I gave them a chance and they behaved as bad as the possibly could. Never again.

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>209 replies
okay what is this, im pretty sure most.. if not.. almost all of you are just samefagging each other at this point.

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>>55571316
because a vtuber model is a tool that can be exploited if done correctly. the "best" example of this is kson with her 3d streams or kizuna ai's videos.
for some reason vtubers dont want to innovate anymore

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>>55612483
>>55612975
You mean to tell me there actually are women here??

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>>55614396
Well i gues you want to cope when the amount of people wanting them gone is reaching the level average CCV of the homos.

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>>55576255
I'm gonna use this in the future.

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>>55615887
bruh i don't give a fuck about homos, why do you assume when i say something that affects this thread it's always
>HOMOBEGGING HOMOBEGGING
are you actually mindbroken?

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>>55543205
Doesnt Suisei hate gachikoi anyway?

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>>55544319
You put into words what I didn't realize I was feeling. Am I turning into a misandrist against my own gender? Sure, some western female vtubers are whores, but it seems like 99% of male vtubers are manwhores. I can't stand them. Why aren't companies capable of recruiting decent men who want to be pure male idols? Do they just not exist? Are men simply too horny to be good vtubers?

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>>55545072
Women can be just friends with men, since many women find many men unfuckable.
But ask a man and almost every one will be willing to fuck every single one of their female friends. Even if they find said friend unattractive, they're still fuckable.
It's why gay men have so many female friends. Men simply aren't capable of having true friendships with anyone of the gender they're attracted to because they're all a potential fuck to them.

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>>55618057
>Do they just not exist? Are men simply too horny to be good vtubers?
They do exist it's just that they get a bit of fame for the first time in their lives and it goes to their head

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>>55618595
I wonder how many men in this thread complaining about homotubers would, if put in their position, behave the exact same way, try to flirt with the girls, and become the very thing they hated.

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>>55618595
>bit of fame for the first time in their lives and it goes to their head
I wonder if Tempus would've been good and fine today if they didn't get that much recognition during debut. They pretty much said the attention they got was higher than expected

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>>55618956
They’d be even worse

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>>55618956
What makes you think that people who consciously dodged every single female interaction in school and uni, in conditions with comparatively trivial stakes, would now go out of their way to even interact with any girl under public scrutiny?

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I never really had an issue with the homos, I even used to enjoy watching them. Nowadays I just ignore them, but the fanbase that they've attracted is absolute cancer. Trannys and tranny supporters, people who will "cancel" you if you don't get their pronouns right, even in this very thread you've got people using the term "incel" unironically to insult Holofans. And then they get mad that they're treated like second class citizens and cry about it on reddit or the doxxsite.

If tempus were scrapped tomorrow it would be a net positive for the overall Holo community.

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>>55619770
My guy those types of dudes are the exact type to go crazy overboard the second they get a scrap of real female attention.

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>>55620900
No, those are the guys who turn down invitations to parties with girls because it's just "not my scene". Or notice that their friend group is bringing girlfriends and instantly say they have something else on (they don't). Or skip orientation activities altogether because they're mixed.
Of course these people with this degree of social avoidance generally don't become vtubers in the first place, which is why the hypothetical is a bit dumb.