Curious case of IRyS Cockburn (yes, that's her last name)

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Joke headline but a serious question. How come she is not way bigger as a Vsinger? I remember ages ago it was mentioned that Hololive somehow fucked her over and shoehorned her into a style that doesn't suit her/fit her voice. Any truth to that?

[Anonymous No.]

>gave her the worst model
>gave her the worst music
>left her alone with no group and advertised as a singer
She would have gotten more love in JP

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>>55459905
Generic JPOP isn't popular with ironic weebs.
Terrible garbage like Mori's first few songs are.

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ShitRys Houdzuki is mid. Hololive member without popular karaoke clip means she's shit.

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>>55459905
Anime opening theme songs sound generic and boring. Also she's in EN, so she should sing in English. Hololive has a problem with encouraging ENs to sing in Jap. Calli's the only one who sings in English, which is why she's EN's star musician.
Niji mogs in this regard.
https://youtu.be/8IQ03UU8qKU
https://youtu.be/3i_TLQsaAgU
https://youtu.be/7hcW3x3Quo4

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>>55460137
This is sadly very true. Shame. IRyS has a great voice.

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>>55459905
she got fucked over pretty hard by circumstances
that being said, she has a very solid core of followers and is doing fine, she just never blew up

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>>55460137
gravitys a great song. rap=mudhut vibe

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>>55460137
>Terrible garbage like all Mori songs are.
:)

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>>55459905
>EN vsinger
>doesn't sing in english
it's as simple as that

[Anonymous No.]

She's also not quite as sharp a conversationalist as some of the other talents.

For instance, as much as we make fun of Dum Shork, Gura is very quick-witted when she wants to be, one of the features that makes her such an entertaining streamer.

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>>55460396
>star musician.
All the music she's produced in the year can't even break 5 million anymore.

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The albums they forced her through were pretty bad, but frankly IRyS had never really seemed all that motivated to actually be good or produce anything of her own, good or not. She just shows up and records what she's told.
>has never taken vocal lessons and refused to start after joining holo
>ignores doctor's recommendations to keep herself healthy / preserve her throat
>continues unhealthy habits like rolling out of bed and turning on stream without any warmup
She doesn't want to be a singer, and barely seems like she wants to stream. She just wants to be popular and happens to have a pleasant voice. I wanted to like her but she squandered the opportunity she was given.

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>>55460824
why di cumbuds deny reality?

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>>55460942
>She doesn't want to be a singer, and barely seems like she wants to stream. She just wants to be popular and happens to have a pleasant voice. I wanted to like her but she squandered the opportunity she was given.
You know, just by watching her karaoke stream anyone can point out that this statement is complete BS

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>>55459905
Bad song selection. She should get managed by Mori and Mori's managers.

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>>55459905
Irys success ironically seems to be despite the whole vsinger thing. She'd honestly be better off if hololive abandoned project hope and let her have control over her own music.

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>>55461375
>Irys
retard
>let her have control over her own music.
Also retard have you been watching her lately? That's literally what she is doing right now. There is no more project hope and she's been part of council ever since IRyS 2.0

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>>55459905
Shes kinda just there ... Ya know what I mean. Either her or the management need to do some new stuff or something. Like what Kiara and Mori doing with the new gen. Well, its not like she is in some bad position anyway.

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>>55459905
Because for being a vsinger she dosent sing very well

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Who would you say are the good singers in HoloEN? Mori, Gura, Irys, Nerissa, Mumei?

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>>55462580
IRyS>=Gura>Nerissa>=Mumei>Bae>Kiara>FuwaMoco>Mori>Ina>Kronii>Bijou>Ame>Fauna>Shiroi

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>>55459905
Management hates her and does their best to manipulate her success

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>>55462580
The good ones
>IRyS
>Nerissa
>Gura
The decent ones
>Mumei
>Kronii
>Bae
>FuwaMoco
The bad ones
>Mori
>Kiara
>Bijou
>Ina
The tonedeaf
>Ame
>Fauna
>Shiori

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>>55463089
I will replace Kronii and Kiara. Kronii is really good for songs which fit her range, but other than that she is prett meh

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>>55463089
Okay, but Ina's covers and originals songs are actually the best in hololive.
Also think Mumei is better than Irys.
Think Kronii and Baelz needs to go down to tone death and move Mori up at least one tier.

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>>55460693
Go to the gym mori

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>>55463592
Kronii performs well on karaoke but her latest cover was really weak despite the song being a good choice for her. If we judge her by live singing I would keep her in decent tier but if we go by prerecorded music she's among the bad ones
Kiara is just bad sorry bro I can't make an argument for bumping her up

>>55463683
>Think Kronii and Baelz needs to go down to tone death and move Mori up at least one tier.
Pure fucking cringe
Opinion discarded

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>>55463089
Putting FWMC at Mumei/Kronii/Bae tier fills me with rage. If you don't like JP music fine, but they are objectively professional singers.

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>>55463937
I like Bae for the passion but she's just... not good. Kronii is neither good nor passionate. Genuinely don't know what you're on about.

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>>55463089
How the fuck Mumei is in the same tier as Bae, just fucking listen to the silhouette duet at moom's birthday. Lucky my ears didn't fucking bleed because of bae's voice.

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>>55463937
Don't know if you saw Baelz's Karaoke relay but it was horrid.
Kronii is the worst singer in EN.
Stop being a delutional.

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>>55459905
>vsinger
>is not actually a good singer
Curious indeed.

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>>55464082
>>55464100
I think Bae is just fine, that's why I put her in decent tier, you all don't need to react as if I put her in some sort of super high god tier
>>55463977
I should listen to FWMC more and might consider them for a higher tier next time but they're too new for me to put them up there with the really good ones at the moment
>>55464130
Kronii is as far from being the worst as she is from being the best, she's just about the middle point of EN
I will take Kronii over Mori, Kiara or the tonedeaf group any day but girls like IRyS and Nerissa mog her hard

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>>55459905
For any Holo interns reading this, the problem is literally the fact that you made her a Vsinger. This sounds prestigious on the surface but what it actually means is that she has no control over her releases and is forced into a ridiculous recording schedule for songs that will only be dumped at midnight jst with no warning like Till the End of Me which she had to try and hype in a twitter space hours before it went live. Just put her in Council officially, fire her manager and sit back and shut up and enjoy the money that comes in

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>>55459905
Her head voice is annoying. Chest voice is fine.

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>>55460824
>question was "why is irys struggling as a singer" anon brings up streaming, the area where she's excelling
based chumtard

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>>55459905
>Hololive somehow fucked her over and shoehorned her into a style that doesn't suit her/fit her voice.
>>55460008
>>gave her the worst music
Every succesful music artist in Hololive directs their own career and music production to a degree. This is just the typical 'crat cope for why IRyS doesn't care about making good music or lacks the talent and technical skill needed to make good music that isn't generic shit that is handed to her.
Just because Gamers turned out well for JP doesn't mean neptoism hires like IRyS are always a good thing.

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>>55460942
She loves singing but has no passion for being an auteur though. Her covers are top quality and she knows what suits her voice judging by her karaoke choices. It would seem ideal that she'd be a Vsinger but Cover are actually incompetent. I have full confidence that even though she can't write her own music like some do, that with the resources afforded her by being in holo she could absolutely find and collab with talented people that actually compliment her. Unfortunately Cover are entirely in the drivers seat so she's stuck following their "vision"

[Anonymous No.]

Vsingers are cursed to fucking mediocre music. Like the one song people know from Azki is Inochi but most people don't know it was actually her 8th fucking original. Vsingers just get a bunch of premade shitty songs and little input on them. Compare that to Marine who has released like 4 original songs but they're all iconic. Quality over quantity.

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>>55464755
>Vsingers
>Suisei leaves INNK Music and joins Hololive proper
>Immediately starts inclining
>Azki leaves INNK Music and joins Hololive proper
>Immediately starts inclining
>Irys...
Hmm I think I see a pattern.

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>>55465156
I know it's a meme lately but the reason Marine's songs are iconic is because they heavily lean into her kayfabe. It's fun to see a character singing about character relevant things with a music video to match. What even is IRyS's lore supposed to be again?

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>>55461527
You're the retard anon. CouncilRyS is a cope by the talents themselves because even they know it's fucked up she's alone but did you notice she wasn't included in the Council section in CTW? And she has no say in her music outside of cover songs she pays for herself. She's been complaining for weeks about recording hell which is classic project hope mismanagement

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>>55465224
>Hmm I think I see a pattern.
IRyS is already IN Hololive anon, not the same thing at all. And she leveraged whatever influence she has into getting a new default model within a year, not her music. That says everyhting about where her real priorities lie.

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>>55460693
True and real

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>>55465259
>I know it's a meme lately but the reason Marine's songs are iconic is because they heavily lean into her kayfabe
They're real bangers tho
Ahoy alone completely mogs all of IRyS' orisongs

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>>55464082
Bae is genuinely bad as a live singer. Her voice gives out too quickly and she just starts shouting because she thinks that's what "power" is. She's got a pretty nice voice in her recorded stuff though. Hontou no oto was lovely

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>>55459905
All she had to do is add rys to the end of some random word and it's considered pure comedy gold.

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>>55465224
That English management have no idea what they're doing? The 1.0 model alone was enough to know they weren't playing with a full deck

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>>55465355
No argument here, they're pretty much all my top Hololive songs. I just think her character plays in a huge part why they're so great.

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>>55459905
This hobby is all about streamers singing. Nobody cares about singers streaming.

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>>55465259
Anon please. Her first 2 ep were basically all just "I am hope, I'm bringing hope, here's my duffel bag full of hope, oh actually I'm despair" we DON'T need more

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>>55460604
>>55459905
>>55462925
>she got fucked over pretty hard by circumstances
She got fucked over pretty hard by her management not helping her and discouraging her from doing what she needed to do.
>Management hates her and does their best to manipulate her success
She's an EN Vsinger.
She needs to sing.
In English.
That's all there is to it. She's not unwilling to do so, she just needs a manager that will work with her and let her succeed.

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>>55465475
I like Bae a lot as a streamer, my favorite in her gen, but in general if a singer is only good in post it's more to do with the audio engineer than their own talent.

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>>55465713
She needs to sing in English AND have her lyrics not written by some nippon dude. They don't know how to write lyrics for eigo, the stresses for the words in her orisongs are all over the fucking place, and it's even worse because IRyS actually has proper pronounciation so you don't get that engrishu charm. Omegatranny can go fuck himself.
Hopefully now with Nerissa on board (who actually knows of this limitation) maybe we can start seeing some bangers.
Fuck Omegatroon, I was gonna say my favorite song from her is Till the End of Me but that just reminds me of the fuckup surrounding that release. Whoever Omegatranny was I hope he burns in hell forever

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>>55465475
Anon I don't know how to tell you this but that's called "belting" and if she's belting on key then she's singing properly
Just an educational lesson for you

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>>55465713
She's not unwilling to do so
That's not on her. She's sings what they give her. Her early songs were notorious for japanglish lyrics and the fact that she herself is a fluent English speaker baffled so many people. I think it shows how little input she has. Her last English releases though One Step at A Time and Gravity have perfectly fine lyrics. No weird esl and the cadence seems to be native level rather than typical "add as many words in a line as possible" japanese to English translations. Hopefully it's something they've learned from but to most people it's too late. They needed a big shake up and missed the opportunity during 2.0RyS. She's fucked unless Jap takes pity on her

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>>55465259
>I know it's a meme lately but the reason Marine's songs are iconic is because they heavily lean into her kayfabe. I

Marine's kayfabe isn't even all that outlandish, she's just a "pirate cosplayer", for all we know she could very well enjoy cosplaying a pirate IRL (who wouldn't?).

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>>55466155
>if she's belting on key
If

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>>55466194
Don't forget terminally horny

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>>55466139
Fuck Omegatroon
Amen. But Gravity actually has really good lyrics. I checked and someone named Salta wrote them. They did one step at a time too. They should keep using this person after the travesty of Seethe World

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>>55459905
To be fair, if she did not start as a vsinger and surprised everybody with her voice- like risu, moona and gura did- she would be way more successful.

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Looking at her discography page reminded me that the Journey EP exists
It feels like she disowned it because she never sang any of the songs from it in karaokes like she has with most of her other songs, and in turn nobody remembers any of the songs or the EP itself

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>>55459905
>How come she is not way bigger as a Vsinger?
Because that's not her focus. Go check any vsinger's channel and it's filled with karaoke or other music related content. Irys is a variety streamer marketed as a singer, not an actual singer.

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>>55460693
Mori, you should sing more. Rap is for tent city dwellin trailer trash. Your covers are very nice. You have a good voice. Stop rappin' start singin'
>>55460008
Fuck you IRyS 1.0 is kino

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>>55467705
>Fuck you IRyS 1.0 is kino
I unironically miss her old model a lot. It needed some touching up and that's it. She looks kinda plastic now.

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>>55469598
She looks like she's permanently in 240p. The original nose was weird but her original hair and eyes were infinitely better.
Also, I wonder if she dies inside a little every time she has to sing the decoration English holoproducers shit out.

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>>55467403
That's a shame since there's some actual legit bangers on it like Bare Your Teeth and Sink Again, Rise Again but each one suffers from bad lyrics that she has to wrangle to fit in a line. I wish they could get a rewrite with a native speaker

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>>55469598
yeah, the goblina was bad but like >>55469834 said now she just seems permanently low quality and it's really jarring
the original color palette was also infinitely better, i really liked the dark colors with the purple, now the brightness is cranked way up and she looks like ass

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>>55465713
i genuinely don't understand what the fuck her managers were thinking giving an EN vsinger primarily JP songs

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>>55459905
>ctrl+F "manager"
>only 4 results
The answer I've consistently heard is that. Her manager was shit. Like, REALLY shit. Her's specifically, even by overall holoEN "management" standards. I can't recite details with any confidence, but they knotted together into one hell of a rratking I'll tell y'wuhat.

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>>55467705
nigga, she's been mostly singing for 3 albums now

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>>55477564
I mean, if you want some straight facts that aren't rrats, Irys's manager fucked off for over a month earlier this year and went no contact. That's enough to make him one of the worse managers in Cover.
Only one that immediately comes to mind as being terrible is Korone's, who doesn't tell her about collab offers from other talents and stonewalls all direct communication.

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>>55478357
Yeah I knew there were some verifiable facts like that, just didn't remember what.
The rratking comment is moreso about Omega's sole credit being on an Irys song, and the avalanche of speculation that caused.

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>>55459905
Her not being involved in the production of her own music, at least when I was following hololive, is what did it for me. All of her songs are just generic and when she sings them its clear she doesnt really care about them. Theyre just lyrics and music that some guy wrote for her to sing. I still listen to a couple of kiara songs but I dont recall ever replaying anything Ive heard from IRyS

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>>55478553
Berserker's hype.
One of about 10 Holosongs I've actually bought.

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>>55479035
ride on time

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>>55460693
Only red and end of a life were good, rest are just rhymeslop

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>>55460008
her original character design was the best in holoEN before it got butchered into the new one. they really just needed better rigging.

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>>55466394
The funny thing is hotaru, the person who wrote See the World is the lyrics writer for MYTH&ROID. He is also responsible for

Jingo Jungle:
>We all are the jingoes, oh-oh-oh
>We are in the jungle, oh-oh-oh

Styx Helix:
>Oh, please don't let me die, waiting for your touch
>No, don't give up on life, this endless dead end

Paradis Paradoxum:
>Now let me open the scar
>Grew up in the loneliness

These songs are fucking bangers because Japanese sing the lyrics in full Japanglish style and most of it is Japanese anyway, so the English parts are more like garnishing.

Now he did do a full English song together with Kevin Penkin. It's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SEhUVLRhIg
And the only reason that somewhat works is that they basically took the equivalent of Photoshop's blur tool to the whole song, and you can barely make out that it's even in English. Everything is slurred. Once you look at the lyrics you'll realize it's exactly the same stuff as in See the World.

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>>55463089
Nerissa shouldn't be above FWMC. Not yet at least. FMWC's karaoke was much more impressive.

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>>55479474
you're the musical equivalent of a clipwatcher

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>>55463089
I don’t and won’t do too much RM reps, but I wouldn’t put Nerissa above Mumei after her karaoke today.
It remains to be seen, but unless she will show a lot of improvements in the future, she is looking like one of those good-after-processing-mediocre-on-live singers

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>>55465259
Marine's songs are iconic because she's a sex symbol that entrances men and inspires women.