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> FWMC
> 404K

> Nerissa
> 352k

> Shiori
> 339K
> Bijou
> 337K

Why is there such a big gap between FWMC and the other members? And why does it keep getting bigger? (a few days ago the difference between Nerissa and the twins was 20-30k now it is 52K and it keeps increasing while the others grow at the same rate).

Why is there a gap between Nerissa and Shiori / Bijou? In theory Shiori should be closing the gap with Nerissa or even having surpassed her in the last few days, but why does she keep increasing that gap? (A few days ago it was 9 / 10K, but now 13K), is there a reason why Shiori, despite having a higher CCV each live, does not subscribe more people to her channel to the rhythm of FWMC or Nerissa?

Shiori and Bijou are the only ones that grow head to head and logically, is COVER artificially manipulating FWMC/Nerissa's subscriptions?

>> No.55238289

>>55238223
>s COVER artificially manipulating FWMC/Nerissa's subscriptions?
Do you honestly think Gura got 4 million subscribers naturally without the use of sub bots?
They do it with every debut

>> No.55238364

>>55238223
Indeed, it's criminal that fuwawa and mococo only have about 200k each when the rest are over 300k, their channel should be sitting at at least 700k already.

>> No.55238398

>fwmc
JP subs + divide by two
>nerissa
song (dead)subs

>> No.55238416

>>55238289
>every debut
Tempus sisters not like this......

>> No.55238462

Is it really that hard to comprehend? Look at Fuwamoco vs other members. Their kayfabe, voiceacting, and entertainment value is fucking unmatched. They should be in Holo JP not EN

>> No.55238629

>>55238223
because they have a cool gimmick and they are technically 2 people

>> No.55238723

>>55238462
They're only good solo and probably with JPs. They contribute nothing to their gen other than being the popular ones in it to make it look successful. They're an isolated bubble in EN and will continue to be if they don't cool down their kayfabe a little. Their growth doesn't affect the others either.

>> No.55238811

>>55238223
They appeal to both EN and JP instead of only EN, you see a ton of comments in japanese in their chat

>> No.55238818

>>55238462
JP already has all of the talent. These two are here to save EN vtubing.

>> No.55238839

>>55238364
>>55238398
"There are two, that is, the subs have to be divided by two!"

That's not how things work niggers, under your stupid logic a collab should have the average CCV of each member added, when it has never worked like that.

>> No.55238884

>>55238723
>they're really fucking good on their own
this is the dumbest rebuttal ever. if anything, her genmates should pull up and start being as entertaining as them. in fact, all of EN could learn from them

>> No.55238913

>>55238416
No, tempus would have even less if not for sub bots

>> No.55238956

>>55238462
>They should be in Holo JP not EN
Yeah, because they can't speak English.

>> No.55238958

>>55238723
>They're an isolated bubble in EN and will continue to be if they don't cool down their kayfabe a little
They can definitely mix well with EN members who don't cringe at their kayfabe or at least capable of playing along (i.e: Fauna, IRyS, Mumei, Mori)

>> No.55238967

If you look at twitter comments the replies to dogposts are 70% japanese. Their western audience is likely not that far off from fuwamoco to the other gen3, but then add the massive JP folllowing that the other EN girls are lacking and that easily explains the difference.

From japans perspective they just gained a pair of shiney new JP talents and with their kemonomimi buff they are extremely well received there.

>> No.55238998

>>55238223
FWMC are legit a big deal. Probably the biggest (positive) thing to happen to vtubing since Gura debuted. This is entirely the gap division you would expect. If anything these numbers refute any tampering.

>> No.55239100

>>55238223
JP audience stronger than the entire global audience. it is known.

>> No.55239102

>>55238884
All of their genmates are really entertaining, it's just hard for the retards who like uwu baby shit to understand that a woman actually talking to them like an adult can be an enjoyable experience. Shiori gushing over stories and characters I give absolutely no fuck about is orders of magnitude more enjoyable to me than synchronised retardation coming from two adult women that probably sound like Nerissa irl.

>> No.55239199

>>55239102
you can literally find girls like Shiori everywhere in the indie scene. i legitimately dont understand how anyone could find that entertaining unless you have literally talked to 0 women in your life.

>> No.55239216

>>55238223
These are really close numbers. Stop being so weird,

>> No.55239359

>>55239102
not just women but anyone yapping on and on about a topic i give zero fucks about is annoying to me. sure i'd still listen if they're friends or family but no way i'm going to be listening to that as entertainment

>> No.55239420

>>55239102
I’d punch any women that yaps about shit i don’t care about

>> No.55239441

>>55239199
you can literally find girls like Fuwamoco everywhere in the JP scene. i legitimately dont understand how anyone could find that entertaining unless you have literally talked to 0 children in your life.

What's your point?

>> No.55239511

>>55239441
>you can literally find girls like Fuwamoco everywhere in the JP scene
my point is that you're a dumbass and that you don't know anything about the JP scene. You'll only see this level of kayfabe in the top level of vtubing. god i hate these retarded newfaggots, where the fuck do you come from?

>> No.55239519

>>55238289
But why isn't Shiori the one with the most subscriptions then? If she's the leader of the generation, why doesn't COVER help her more with her subs? (The leaders of the generation are the ones who always receive the most benefits, after all she is the one who receives all the raids and the best timeslot)

>>55239216
You cannot deny that there is an important difference, and you stop being a fagot.

>> No.55239555

>>55239441
nta but them speaking in a language i can actually understand is definitely a huge bonus compared to people in the jp scene

>> No.55239620

>>55239511
>You'll only see this level of kayfabe in the top level of vtubing
you've never seen a single indie JP in your life

>> No.55239727

>>55239620
and you clearly haven't because I know what someone with 0 viewers, 10 viewers, and 100 viewers looks like. you don't know fucking shit about the EN or the JP scene

>> No.55239981

>>55239555
Why do you need to understand them when they have nothing of value to say? It's surface childish bullshit to ensure they're marketable. They want a pure image like Sora where Hololive can plant their retarded faces on anything just to sell it. Most of what people get from their streams are the noises, synchronised reactions and fluffy vibe anyway. You can get that with JPs and if you actually did JP reps you'd know there are a lot of members in hololive that pay for someone to live translate for them. Koyori puts in a lot of effort to help EOPs understand her streams. Nene literally interacts with fans with a translator live on stream which I'm sure you've seen. Sora and Korone put in a lot of effort to communicate with EOPs, too. Stop being faggots.

>> No.55240195

>>55239620
You are a retarded faggot. 2 jp vtubers are streaming in HoloEN on the same stream on the same channel. No amount of 2view nipnong bullshittery even comes close. Even gobbledygook English is still English. It's not just that it's twins, it's jp blue triangle twins that speak English and that in itself is enough reason for everyone to want to watch.

>> No.55240265

I think Fuwamoco have had a good boost from the increased stream count (especially being in the morning hours that captures a different audience) - their last few streams have been particularly great for clipwatchers as well, with plenty of cute noises. I like Bijou's energy, but both Bijou and Nerissa haven't really been doing anything out of the ordinary compared to other normal EN streamers.

Fuwamoco's gimmick is carrying them hard (as it should) for them to rise above Shiori, who IMO has interesting content but not something that is particularly popular.

In other words, it should be fucking obvious, you retards

>> No.55240315

>>55238223
>numbers numbers numbers
you really couldn't come up with better bait?

>> No.55240497

>>55238223
The doggos are something else, glad they spared some good talents to EN

>> No.55240550

>>55240315
Stop defending your fake oshis holonigger. The point is that it is undeniable that a significant percentage of the "success" of Advent is due to the artificial manipulation of subscriptions and other data such as CCV

>> No.55240709

>>55240550
>source is I made it up

>> No.55240737

>>55239981
how about this, anon. i will enjoy whatever i like, and you will mald about it like an /a/ nigger breaking down on MAL about how people could ever like such and such. deal? because i don't really give a shit what jps do or how fuwamoco is "ackshually" shit unlike your refined taste of watching cuckoldry that only true elites will understand

>> No.55240863

>>55240709
Yes and Gura reached 4M naturally, your existence is an insult to human intelligence.

Kill yourself.

>> No.55240892

WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE A FUCKING /#/ THREAD IF THESE FAGGOTS STILL FILL UP CATALOG

>> No.55240989

>>55240863
>mindbroken numberfags cant comprehend reality

>> No.55241038
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>>55240550

>> No.55241051

>>55240892
They run out of #’s because they get shit on their retard.

>> No.55241086

>>55240892
they were already humiliated in the # thread and need to make new threads to farm more (You)s

>> No.55241342

>>55238223
They all have about the same baseline of EN support, but whenever the twins are streaming a solid 15-20% of the comments will be in JP. They're getting way more JP subs. Also I know you autists are fascinated by numbers because they're easier to understand for you than making eye contact having a conversation on a phone, but unless it's 100k+ of a disparity, normal people will not even begin to give a shit. Hope this helps for your deficiencies.

>> No.55242067

>>55239102
Why is ALWAYS Shiori fags that are like this?

>> No.55242170

>>55239102
BAU BAU FAGGOT

>> No.55242360

>>55238223
fuwadogs are bonafide JP

>> No.55242424
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>>55238223

>> No.55242464

>>55238223
fuck off numberfag

>> No.55243073

>>55242067
I'm not a Shiori fag, I watch all three of them apart from Fuwamoco because I dropped them after their first proper stream. She was just an example I used of how even content I don't really care about is more entertaining due to her passion for talking about something deeply personal to her. Like Nerissa gushing about music and artists she looks up to and autistically talking about the technical aspect of it she likes. You don't get that with the twins. They just say they like this and like that because it's safe. Rarely will they say anything negative and be honest with you.

I wouldn't mind if they were actual 12 year olds but knowing these are adult women that are probably in relationships that talk like you and me, getting fucked daily, with strong opinions and legit get angry at things is just frustrating to watch. Throw the word kayfabe at me all you like, you'll get bored of it eventually when it's in a language you understand.

Luna is a good example of how to do it properly. She talks like a fucking retard but she shares her hobbies with her fans all the time, talks about ancient programming languages and cool adult shit she does. She allows the mask to slip off when the time is right. She's kayfabe but in an ironic way where her fans are in on the joke because they know she's a hag just having fun with the character. These two are just boring autists that literally want you to believe they're uwu dogs ffs.

>> No.55243229

>>55243073
Filtered.

>> No.55243654

>>55238223
Just take a look at their stream comments and comments under their cover. They got the support of many JP bros, look at the other hololive JP members mostly talking about the twins as well.

It’s not that hard to understand why they’re leading with subs

>> No.55245311

>>55238223
Shiori deserves more

>> No.55245421

Stick to /#/ sister
Your stupidity is leaking and shitting up the place

>> No.55246857

>>55238223
i mean theres no point speculating about this shit seriously. gura has 4 million subs. she hasnt earned any of them. its just random.

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