/log/ Lore Global; Fangames, TTRPG and Worldbuilding

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Do you love vtubers? Have you been looking for a general where you can sperg out about science or sociology? Share or write some lore? Build worlds? Homebrew an RPG? Discuss vtubers doing any of those activities?
Welcome to the right spot. This is the thread to do all these things and more. Feel free to browse settings, lore entries, and discuss any of your work or chuubas here.

Pixel Manesans edition.

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AUTISM APPROVED CHUUBAS
Feel free to suggest vtubers who partake in our flavors of autism to be added to the list
>Dice Queen Di (TTRPG): https://www.twitch.tv/dicequeendi
>Halbernacht (TTRPG & mini painting): https://www.youtube.com/@AiaAmare
>Yurikago Kokone (Occasional TTRPG): https://www.youtube.com/@YurikagoKokone
>Mori Calliope (Occasional TTRPG): https://www.youtube.com/@MoriCalliope
>Aia Amare (Occasional TTRPG): https://www.youtube.com/@AiaAmare

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>Where do I start?
1. Skim the setting introductions
2. Be inspired
3. Create something

If nothing struck a chord with you, you can always put together your own vtubing-related setting. Others might even join you in fleshing it out if they enjoy it!

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Reply to OP so your work is added to the archive or the lore catch-up.
Remember to use rentry.ORG as any other rentry sites are seen as spam.

TAG LIST:
[would we need like a new archive for them things]

SETTINGS:

Battle For Aurorai:
>Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ieZmSPEqYbGY6xvyQRzwTDihj9ouCE3Z/view?usp=drivesdk
>FE Schematics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QO6FX0jzb12VneywMF83UMmuX01Yj3tMUzixs2VRtx0/edit?usp=drivesdk
>Map: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iPnq4VeTFbVfamiSrFoEL2rBV3s_dOO_/view?usp=drivesdk

Planet Covolo:
>State List: https://rentry.org/d6rdp
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/nxv14e.png

Vitubia:
>Archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ
>Intro Docs: https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro, https://rentry.org/ziuog
>Map: https://vtwbg.github.io/

Era After:
>Archive: https://rentry.org/EraAfterIndex
>Intro Doc: https://rentry.org/78s3q
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/at0is0.png

Cyber Vitubia 40,000:
>Archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ukyK3_sidebA_kLuH8i1I6TuVyFkWeJSYvyhqT6FMRU
>Intro Doc: https://rentry.org/cvt40k-start-how
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/7y8nn7.png

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Threads of the past week catch-up, in case you missed them!
Planet Covolo Map and states intro: >>55053917 # >>55101622 #
Advent BFA Origins: >>54874790 #
New EraAfter Schizo Lands Lore: >>54095698
V&U Lore: >>54015487
New BFA Map: >>54030848

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Did I do it right?

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SHINEI, CATALOGBAIT!

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>>55206772
Man I love mushrooms in my food.

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OKITE, OKITE, OKITE, /LOG/!

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Fuck off, catalognigs. You're not killing this thread!

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Thigh Anchor
Post Thighs

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>>55210813
Nine flavors!

https://youtu.be/oLp3GDZcBCc

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>>55211771
Ez troubadour or pegasus in my world.

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How/when should a sequel happen?

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>>55215018
When the Final Yab happens and Lemuria rises from the ocean.

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>>55215831
But what is the Final Yab? And who tf is Lemuria lol

>capcha: naadg

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>>55216135
Why, Lemuria is the sunk continent of the Indian Ocean, theorized to be where chumbuds are from. One day, it will return.
The Final Yab is more up to interpretation, all we know is that the catalog will be very very fast after it.

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>>55216284
It seemed like a shitpost but I can work this into Gura (and Marine to a smaller extent) ending.

Would also include (You) if you have an A with her.

I'd say in my world, the Final Yab would be covering all of Aurorai in Dox Majica. Everyone would believe the worst out of everyone and it would be used to subjugate the land under Negazion. Polaria...King Yagoo...the Order...all erased from the land's collective memories.

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Who has the most indepth lore? I need a new chuuba(s)

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>>55218706
Most in depth canon lore? I think Haachama would be up there, she's the only one I can think of to have explored a dual personality setup in that much detail, including edited videos.
The actual answer is probably some autistic male indie.

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Kokones kokones. The classic edition

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>>55219703
Nice Kokones!

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>>55218706
If you include minecraft history into lore, probably Pekora, but I doubt you don't know about her kek.

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>>55223349
Speaking of Pegora, I did have Flare mention her...experiments. I also had it that Pekora and Mooner were on the run due to how things have gone in the household ever since Negazion invaded and pretenders to the Usada throne became emboldened.

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>>55206719
(1)

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>>55224293
Oh right, I always forget Pekora is a princess of sorts. Is there a civil war over that in Savan?

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>>55225714
Not a full blown one for Pekoland but nearly burst into one for the whole of Savan in Lion's Keep (Botan's seat of power)

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>>55225714
In Aurorai, Pekoland is under Savan and is the biggest territory that isnt the capitol Lionsgard.

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>>55206719
(2)

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Gonna sleep now, this better not die.
I wanna see this still up in the morning my time.

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>>55229730
Good night

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>>55205728
Fascinating

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I'll try anon, just for you

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>>55232846
Gambare! Rooting for you anon.

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We finally have a fangames general, sort of..

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>>55232902
Yeah, I wonder if there's any that hasn't dropped by yet... Was Rocksuki being made by anons /here/?

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>>55233006
dont think so

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Is there any tutorial or guide to make a tamagotchi/virtual pet game? I always thought that it's a really big market unexplored by vtubersgamesdevs

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>>55237048
depends on the platform you want it on, and the engine you want to make it in

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>>55237048
I don't think there's a premade "virtual pet game framework", so you'd probably want to just learn general game development. Should be a relatively easy project though.

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>>55237144
I believe the normal thing would be making it with Unity for PC
>>55237189
yeah, I was just thinking that there isn't almost any videos of shorts tutorials or devsvlogs making tamagotchis compared to other games genres, which It's weird to me because Tamagotchi was a really big phenomenom

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>>55237311
Unity for a tomogachi on PC seems a bit like using a chainsaw to cut cheese, but yeah, it'd work I guess

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Alright, quick 48-hour poll to gauge opinion on the risu player name: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3mxepNUvpO_3ndyvVq9A3JY89ulWTelaqePBgAwOx9Vc5QQ/viewform?usp=sf_link
And if you have any suggestions for the audio export, in particular for CLEAR's goalhorn, then let me know!

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>>55237311
That seems maybe more a job for a browser game or Godot. I think the lack of tutorial might just be from the simplicity, you basically just have a single object with a few timers running for its various needs.

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>>55238276
yeah honestly just some electron app that works on desktop and mobile would work
pretty much cookie clicker

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CLARO

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Mousey just got a new lore video, turns out the mouseyverse thing is canon now. https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse

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>>55233006
Nah, it was made by the Dragoon discord.
Of the 4chan attributed ones, I can only think of a couple.
>risu nut clicker
>battle for aurorai
>ninisanni scenario
There was also a small rhythm game made for an indie I think.
And someone said they're making a holo VN. Unsure if it's been dropped or not, but I think they're just busy working.

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>>55256416
Oh right, the nut clicker game, that looks pretty cute. Haven't heard of that HoloVN though, I'll have to do reps for that.

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>>55209129
They may not kill this thread, but will you find any more minors to ERP with I wonder, Auroraidev?
>s-s-source?
https://feuniverse.us/t/hololive-x-fe-the-battle-for-aurorai/12998/11 click on OPs username. Creepy faggot

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>>55237048
There's a lot of unexplored design space in the Tamagotchi genre. It's a pretty unexplored genre.
I don't have any guides, but if I were you, I might start by taking a look at Tomodachi Life, because it's a game I found pretty fun.

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>>55256783
Try asking in the /wg/, I'dlike an update as well. If I remember correctly, the casting was Shion, Botan, Gura, Fubuki, and Okayu. Or at least a couple of those. Lots of white haired chuubas.

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>>55257230
That's pretty eclectic cast, sounds fun.

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>>55255060
vshojo kinda has the best corpo-produced lore I think

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>>55261492
They do feel like the most likely to make animations that aren't just shilling a concert or merch, or a debut.

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Gen 3 debuted, life’s great
I made a tier list of their lore power level!

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>>55263517
Cute! Nice design. I know suri is some kind of dragon being, are the other four of her gen just humans? Does the one with a witch hat do any magic?

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>>55264059
Made a slight change
Suri’s a dragon that’s transformed into a little girl after her hibernation! She hasn’t clarified whether the transformation’s voluntary or if she still keeps her other dragon powers like breathing fire. For the other 4 Maeve’s the only one who’s actually human: Echo’s a robot piloted by a SD card; Cyon’s a raccoon dog phantom thief and Meeta’s probably a witch (which like magical girl is apparently its own species in V&U lore, but she hasn’t shown any powers innate for witches as most of her supernatural things are achieved by potions and maybe magical items)

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>>55263517
this looks nice anon, but Ive 0 idea who any of these people are
qrd?

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>>55266478
They’re from V&U! We share a thread with /kr/ since the company’s from Korean (although they stream in English)
https://rentry.org/vnulore
I made a lore rentry compiling some info about them a while ago!

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>>55266726
damn, Maeve's skirt is kinda lewd...

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Claro

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>>55263517
Meeta can be a lot. Her potions and other magical items could make her pretty powerful. As the old saying goes.....

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>>55272584
True but I don’t know if those can only be made by her as part of her ability, or if anyone can do that if they have the required skills and material. She did an infomercial bit at the beginning of the debut so presumably at least some of them don’t need her around to function

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>>55256827
He has stopped with that you nig.

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>>55266726
ohhhhhhh, thats what vnu was...

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>>55256416
Funnily enough, I also have a discord. Though its pretty dead...

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ORA!

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Hmm, still undecided if I wanna class Korone into Armor or Fighter...

There's only Noel in Armor, while the rest of the axe users are either Fighters(Aruran, Suisei) or Brigand(Axel)

Also thinking Wyvern because while those dont start with lances, they have access to axes in T2 with Wyvern Lord. That then frees up Astel possibly to be a lance Armor.

Any input, /log/?

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^

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>>55286198
Id say Fighter just as a default
though I do admit that its because in my head everyone is a Fighter unless they spec otherwise

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>>55290416
There's no reclass here, just classlines.

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>>55278276
Not getting alotta attention /here/’s probably a good thing since that means less schizo comes our way too. Koreans having a troublesome reputation /here/ probably keeps our general small and cozy as well. As for worldbuilding I can probably only watch 3~5 girls enough to keep up with the in-jokes and stuff so I don’t know how much I can write about the others. I think I’ll keep belyms as a common species alongside maybe humans/elves though it probably will be getting more subspecies to represent more of the fandom. I guess I can justify it since Liora’s the de facto daisenpai of V&U and for a long time her fans form the core of /vnug/ so it makes sense for the palkyries to be the basis of many fans

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>>55255060
That was already canon since
https://youtu.be/2qH2GyDzx3s?t=982

But this shows again that Ironmouse is likely in the top 3 of strongest vtubers in their lore

Maybe you should link the video itself
https://youtu.be/8G0l7P9XI1U

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>>55291881
>leash
>collar
>bondage

Uwoooooooooooogh, seeee--

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>>55291767
>Koreans having a troublesome reputation /here/
news to me
usuallu ppl bitch about nigs, frogs, kikes, spics, etc before they go after kor

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>>55294210
Would the "Ayame is ultra-nationalist" meme be the cause here?...

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>>55294210
I mean more about Korean EN vtubers than Koreans in general since I guess we don’t actually have a lot of Koreans /here/ but a few Korean EN vtubers are famous/controversial enough to have people going after them

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In your world, what would "The Final Yab" look like? How'd it happen?

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I've gone and tweaked the map a bit. Standardized the font sizes and adjusted the borders of the newer states. Tell me if you preferred the old borders or whatever.
Also changed the states of Kira, Sana, and Coco to still be inhabitable since all three graduated as alum.

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>>55296372
Would you do coat of arms for everyone?

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>>55298457
I've already got flags done and a lot of that is done with an automated tool or ripped from the net since I have no artistic talent
So a hard maybe

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>>55298704
By any chance, did you use Armoria? I can see you used Azgaar for the map...

Armoria is a partner site.

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>>55299296
I did in fact

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>>55299385
Tis also what I did for my own nations too. Picrel, Polaria.

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>>55299844
It's a handy program I just find the icons limited
Like, I wanna use a carrot for Pekora. But I can't

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>>55300746
I did want to use a snake for Anakondia but I had to settle for this...

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Diarnuit.
(Subject to change)

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>>55302837
Forgot to attach elmao

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>>55291767
Liora does have that daisenpai energy relative to the rest of VNU, so I think that makes sense! A lot of fans of the other girls probably got introduced to the company with Liora as well.

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>>55296372
Yugoslavia looking a little weird. Were there always this many countries?
In actuality the map looks really clean. Good job.

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>>55296372
I just noticed that Botanland has a nice big lake in the middle, that's nice. Should be pretty fertile.

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>>55256827
Ohhh this sounds spicy, do tell more!

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>>55291881
Ohh neat, thanks for sharing anon. Yeah, seems like it.

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Would it be kino if I added animal ears and/or horns to all Savan NPCs? Which land animals should I feature?

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>>55309690
I kinda assumed they already had them. I'd definitely include deer antlers, those always look cool.

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>>55310681
I can do that...anything else? It can be a farm or wild animal.

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>>55308911
I'm going through her anniversary now
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1890301553?t=1h3m23s
Another lore drop about her stealing souls to eat them as a snack

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>>55311028
Would moth-people end up in Savan? There's at least a handful of those.

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>>55313769
They'd probably make up the urban slums. Just like how insects are more numerous in an actual slum

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>>55312726
Ah, soul eating, classic hell power. Keep your soul safe folks.

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>8

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>>55316178
>10

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>>55317541
>8...again

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Good morning!

Some random thoughts for my rework:
>belyms now no longer comes from Vitubia but instead an unnamed and likely lost civilization
feels a bit of a faux pas to refer to PL stuff too much
>the Seventh Trumpet still happened and crippled the colony ship, and it drifted to the Sestag system where a huge solar flare woke up the ship
the events are probably preserved in mythology if the seven sister myths are of any indication
>the same flare also crippled the biosphere of Despina and might have broken the icy shell of Armilla
>extensive genetic modifications are done to both genetic records on board and on the planet to strengthen them
this might have been done out of a faulty assumption that sterilizing megaflares are more common for Sestag
>the original stock of belyms are humanoids with round animal ears on their head, (semi?)digitigrade legs, and a long, muscular tail
probably still not close enough to humans to interbreed
>modifications gave birth to subspecies including palkyries (closest to the original stock, lives near the terminator tundra), Suri’s fans (adapted to subterranean life under the desert, might have horns due to vulnerability to sunlight), Cyon’s fans (haired and striped tail, adapted to the clouded tropical rainforest), and Maeve’s fans (similar to Cyon’s fans but have pointy ears instead)
designs are tentative since they literally just debuted, but since Cyon likes rain and dislikes snow I think it’s fitting for her people to live in somewhere where it’s always overcast and raining, gives a nice rainpunk aesthetics too
>the Long Night is still a thing, but civilization might have collapsed much harder since now I don’t have to maintain a continuity with Vitubia /vnug/
>the hostile environment of Despina probably encourages cooperation and discourages prolonged warfare as the sun is a deadly laser with only 20 seconds of warning before modern astronomy
the unpredictable and deadly nature of Sestag might also make belyms believe heavily in preordained fate, which fits with V&U’s tarot motif as shallow as it is, and having a prolonged fight on pre-modern Despina is basically gambling with your life so that might be what leads to belym’s tendency to assert dominance at first sight to get that over with because the sun can kill them all
the entirety of Despina will also be covered in aurora whenever a flare happens so that might tie into the valkyrie mythology as well

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>>55320260
>the Long Night
qrd?

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>>55321408
It refers to a period between the original colonial mission vanishes from living memories (~4000 AST?) to Despina uniting for good after the discovery of crystallized vitubium (~37000 AST?) allowing communication and maybe electronics survive the major flares of the host star Sestag. It’s called that because this period is dominated by periodic rise and fall of civilization due to the solar flares that wipe out civilization on a semi-regular basis and many knowledge about that period is lost to time as a result. It probably also leaves some kinda collective trauma to the population that still shapes the cultures to this day

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Asking again, what would The Final Yab look like in your world?

In mine, Aurorai gets blanketed in Dox Majica and only Dark Auroras can be seen in the night sky. Everyone is subjugated by either Negazion, Blancopolis or Anakondia. Any positive memory about Polaria, King Yagoo or the Guardians are either utterly wiped or a punishable offense, by death or slavery

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>>55323089
/uuu/'s forests would rot away and turn the whole country into a blighted wasteland full of pestilence. The schizos from the northern wastes would try to invade after the forest's protections start to fail, but they would succumb to the eternal disease that now exudes from the land, turning into even more mindless zombies, bound to forever roam the rotting hell

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CLARO

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>>55324056
Sounds like late seasons GOT. What type of schizos are they exactly? How did the forests suddenly rot?

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Covoloanon, if you're ITT, splendid work on Meruland. Especially that "civil war" that we both know what it refers to.

Interested about how would you do Kronii and THAT moment in her career. As well as the fact that Regisland is bordering Lunaland

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PISS KINGS
OUR OPPRESSION HAS ENDED

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>>55326582
>>55326582
Regisland should be swapped with Oga since Luknights largely accept Oga within their ranks
https://youtu.be/HjZOZZTBJ8w

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>>55327327
Then that's my second topic answered then. In my hack, I think I made Oga have a support with Luna. It was a "fuck it, we ball" decision.

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>>55206719
(3)

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>>55326582
Thanks. I try and add events with a rough parallel to real world events. For example right now I’m developing suisei’s nation and the main theme is that of a once struggling nation now the leading economic power in the region

Most likely handle it as an insurgency. In universe there are various paramilitary equivalents that cause trouble for others because of their beliefs about purity. Assuming of course we’re referring to the same thing

I won’t be changing country locations. If I changed Regis id have to switch out his other genmates too. At most I’ll probably have border skirmishes or unfriendly relations

>>55327327
Countries won’t be switched geographically. Because lore wise and map wise they get added by generation debut that would mean switch shien and kaoru too. And that would complicate things
Do luknights typically unicorn it up?

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>>55325969
Well this was in response to a "final yab" situation, so presumably Fauna would have graduated or something, meaning all the chuubanite would stop working and given how /uuu/'s forests STRONGLY rely on it to keep its climate and life sustained, without it everything would just rot

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>>55330406
I assure you, we are referring to THAT time. THOSE two particular collabs.

>>55330515
Tell me more about this...chuubanite. Is this the essence of the chuubas themselves?

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>>55198174 if you're itt

They'd be humanoids that mostly resemble their chuuba's likeness, lore or their mascots (like Ina's Tako, Azki's beaver, Ollie' Udin, etc.)

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>>55331290
>Tell me more about this...chuubanite
oh no... anon... you know not what you ask of me...

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>>55331290
Unironically reps. The archives are right there.

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>>55331290
As a QRD, yeah, sorta. It's how magical energy of th gods (chuubas) gets to mortals.

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>>55326885
Is this the taste of freedom? Delicious...

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CLARO

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a-a-are... are we back?

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>>55343360
we are SO back

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>>55343360

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Alrighty, made a few changes to the rentry

1: Added a general timeline. To be filled in later.
2: Added images.
3: Not shown but changed the colors of all the states on the map to represent their respective talent's primary colors

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>>55330406
Just realized, you should have made the Meruland insurgency an attempt to subjugate her in forced marriage.

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>>55348422
Possibly but that hits a little too on the nose for me. I might go back and change that by adding a sentence or two down the line if I feel like it

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>>55348738
Regardless, Meruland history wow'd me.

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>>55348025
The timeline is nice, the graduation events are fittingly dramatic, felt pretty bad for Yogi reading that bit.

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>>55350735
Since she basically got screwed by the other members of her gen, I felt she should have the most tragic death
When I get around to her state, fuck only knows when, I'll emphasize her doubts of the plan's success and only participating as a reluctant member

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>>55350735
Speaking of deaths, I also have former Holomem as undead puppets. Yogi is one of them. As well as Rushia, Aloe, Suzaku, Kaoru, Civia, and Rosalyn.

...please tell me the last two werent as bug as the ones I didnt include...

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>>55206719
(4)

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>>55352290
I vaguely remember Civia being more liked than the others, but only vaguely.

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>>55354657
Artia was fun to watch
too bad she was IRL judas in disguise
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFmafcoUPqI

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>>55354657
And Rosalyn?

Also, thinking to imply Artia is a traitor, feeding info to Negazion.

How would I translate the Taiwan Analytics yab in my world tho...

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My view on the EN mythos
The terms are in quotes because that wouldn’t be their technical titles, but more like their power scaling.

I find it maps well onto Kid Icarus lore

The “Gods” are a lot more powerful than they’re allowed to be, but like Palutena, they’re restricted from fully using that power by various “contractual” rules, putting them closer to the level of demigods in practicality. They’re meant to guard, not abuse.

The “demigods” (named so because of power level/lore) are those who were either imbued with some kind of superhuman power by an entity of the godly status (e.g. Kiara’s immortality) or acquired it (e.g. Ame’s fob watch), making them distinctly more powerful than regular mortals. They map well onto Pit, who is more than just a mortal on his own, but becomes a fierce warrior when enhanced by godly power.

The “god slayers” are named such because, for one reason or another; they have a level of power that makes them respected/feared enough by the god class that they imprisoned them instead of challenging them to open battle (since they feared they might lose). The “slayer” part comes from the fact that, after thousands or so of years of imprisonment, they surely have a bone to pick with the god class, at least in lore (none of this translates great to what’s shown in day-to-day holo, as usual). This maps well onto Magnus, who’s mortal, but such a strong mortal that he can go toe to toe with god entities and demigods. It also would map well to Kratos from GoW, for a more accurate comparison.

IRyS is… hard. While she has the power level of a god slayer, she stands alone in lore despite often being mapped onto Council. She’s hard to place in that regard, so I just have her her own tier. If we wanted to get silly, then it’s possible she’s jus the bastard daughter of Kanata’s father and Towa’s mother or something like that. For practical purposes, I consider her as on par with the god slayers or demigods, but a distinctly separate entity.

I can explain further on any given topic/entry if anyone wants. Thoughts?

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>>55355482
>Kid Icarus lore
thats a new one around these parts afaik

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>>55355482
I think it was Nerissa (or FWMC?) who specified that while Advent was injustly imprisoned by Gods, those Gods are not Myth/Council, since the girls are good people who wouldn't put nice people like Fuwamoco in prison. So that would be a justification for the lack of tension between the HoloEN gens.
This also implies there are factions of gods with differing morals and interests.

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>>55355792
Finally, I am not alone adapting to an existing game.

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>>55355981
Hm, interesting! I hadn’t seen that yet. Though I have to wonder—how much more powerful can one get after Council? What out there is beyond the ability to control timelines, space itself, all living matter, any form of civilization, or the very concept of chaos? Eventually we get power creep to the level of absurdity. And it can’t be too powerful either, considering, as mentioned, they only imprisoned Advent instead of outright killing them (implying they couldn’t or were scared to).

>>55355792
Play Kid Icarus Uprising if you like loreshit, it’s so good for that

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>>55356234
I dont game much and the last kid icarus game I saw was on the nintendo DS...

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>>55356234
I don't think this necessarily implies those other gods are higher on the totem pole than Council, though it's quite possible, they'd just need to be higher-dimensional somehow, "beings beyond time and space" kinda thing. It's also possible the imprisonment was a mercy rather than something the gods had to do. They could have seen Advent as too dangerous to be left free but not deserving of death. Based on the backstories, it seems like the quarters Advent were locked in were pretty comfortable.

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>>55356234 (me)
More to tack onto this, come to think—
We know that the god class is consistently fluctuating, considering we have old gods like the ancient ones, and I think the idea is that Mumei is the “newest” relatively out of Council. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine that council is just the current god class, and the ones who imprisoned Advent so long ago have either been slain, banished, or otherwise ceased to exist. Either that or Council and Advent would be canonically stay each other’s throats but aren’t in practice because Hololive is an idol company and plays it extremely fast and loose with the lore as usual.
It just feels like such a cop out to have “god” entities and then say that “actually it wasn’t these who did the thing that in lore we said “gods” did

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>>55356234
Kid Icarus is worth a play by virtue of being a good-ass game in general. Worth every bit of hell you put your wrists through for it. Pick up a copy, hack your 3ds, whatever.

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>>55330406
>Do luknights typically unicorn it up?
It depends on what your definition of a unicorn is.
Luknights are naturally protective of Luna when it comes to any collab partners, for a while there were some lunaitos who disliked Hime having any interaction with EN during RUST, whenever someone collabs with Hime they're kind of expected to fall into one roll or another/play along with her concept. Luknights probably wouldn't like a male collab but that hypothetical stream probably wouldn't be very good either, most lunaitos are gachikoi/daughter experience which doesn't typically jive well with that kind of collab and Hime isn't a very flexible collab partner to begin with.

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QRD on the former HoloCN and how I can adapt them and what they did to Aurorai?

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>>55357009
Vtuber Hell

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>>55356876
>hack your 3ds
what year do you think it is anon?

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>>55356828
It's sort of implied Mumei is in the council as a safety measure because the gods weren't expecting for humans to manifest some sort of combined power, that may be some headcanon thought, council as a whole is mostly some sort of enforcement measure, they aren't a god class technically, as there would be actual gods somewhere, but I guess they'd be the god class relative to everyone else. Sana, Kronii, and Fauna were all made by the gods and are all fairly old, but Bae was recruited instead, and Mumei just manifested from the combined power of humanity. What I mean is that council wouldn't really be a god class, and they are separate from the actual gods in their canon.
The ones who imprisoned advent are stated to be these previously mentioned gods, not council. What these gods are or what they do is never mentioned thought

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>>55357086
I so far have only implied that all fell in the Negazian invasion aside from those who actively helped the Negazians through intel, which they faked their death and ditched their names.

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>>55358186
Oh I thought you meant a qrd on the general consensus about CN nevermind

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>>55358256
Also included. But I really would like a qrd of who did what especially during the Taiwan yab.

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>>55358256
(Same anon)
Which in turn can be used to translate to happenings in Aurorai and the game.

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>>55358491
>Coco is mentioning youtube analytics for her videos
>Mentions Taiwan because it shows up that way on youtube analytics
>Chinese promptly lose their shit and a horde of ugly fuckin reds comes down on Hololive
>Artia caught red-handed shitposting and brigading against Coco on alt accounts as a tankie while defending her on holo account. Not completely proven but there's a lot of evidence
>Also evidence for Doris and Rosalyn being shitters too. Maybe Spade too, can't recall.
>Yogiri and Civia innocent but especially Yogiri because she's also from Taiwan
>Stung because Artia was the first holomem to be a mod on the official subreddit and was a pretty well known meme-lord
>Chinese branch is disbanded a few months later. Hololive pulls out of china completely
>Ugly fuckin reds continue to swamp chats for about a solid year until Coco leaves at which point they peter out
>The official reason for her leaving was creative differences but lots of people think she felt guilty and left. Hard to tell
>Oh and I guess Haachama got caught up in it too I can't remember

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>>55359195
Nah Civia was a hater too
Only Yogiri was clean

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>>55359195
>>Oh and I guess Haachama got caught up in it too I can't remember
Haachama was actually the one who mentioned Taiwan first and incurred their wrath. Rrats are that Coco "happened" to show Taiwan as well a few days later in solidarity/to take heat off of her, but there's no evidence of that. I belieb it though

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>>55359195
Hmm, Civia and Rosalyn got eliminated then by Negazion after saying the good ol villain-offing-subordinate line. That could be the translation in Aurorai...

"You have outlived your usefulness."

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>>55359195
I believe Haachama was the first to show her YouTube analytics and Coco was the second, the general belief is that Coco did it in order to lessen the damage on Haachama's part knowing that it would result in backlash which was pretty much true, Haachama herself said on stream later that if she hadn't shown her analytics, Coco would probably still be in Hololive, https://youtu.be/7KqXK9bCM8w.. I remember that Haachama directly apologized for the taiwan yab while Coco came back with an Asacoco and the legendary "Fuck you and never comeback" she mentioned not meaning to offend anyone but I don't remember an explicit apology, not that it would've helped since the zhangs were out for blood.
Some other things to note are that while now its been mostly forgotten, about half the board believed that Coco had been forced to graduate and that she'd was being sabotaged behind the scenes, one of the best examples of this was the list she gave to management of people to turn into mods and people to ban. Management switched these too up in a colossal blunder and Coco was forced to manually go through the list of users who'd been banned before the error was caught. This resulted in her having a breakdown on stream that was salvaged by Kanata but its hard to look at Cover and accept that it allowed something like that to happen with all good intentions.
The whole thing is so surreal looking back on it but recalling it dredges up alot of those old memories as well. It's insane how both Coco and Rushia were the top dogs of the industry and were taken out by something so incidental that nobody could have anticipated it. Stuff like Botan crying reflecting on how she should have reached out to her sooner and Coco just cracking a joke to lighten the mood or how there might have been a legitimate chinese plot to take over Cover by bilibili that was interrupted by Coco's yab. I'm getting teary eyed remembering those days...

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>>55361755
My blood boils remembering it. But! I shall put my fury to good use.

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>>55362132
When I see people comparing any group to zhangs or saying that so and so is worse than zhangs, I know they're either a liar or a newfag who never knew how bad it got. God I fucking hate China so much, she's beaten them and humiliated them beyond recovery and at every corner but the flames of hatred are still there...

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>>55361755
bitch love

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>>55362742
It gets real bad always when politics get involved. See: Barbie 2023.

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But enough about it, how do I translate Coco's situation to Aurorai? She got blindsided by the traitor Guardians?

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>>55363141
I don't feel like treachery of the guardians had much with Coco's issues, that's more something that angered the fanbase. The actual raids were very much a frontal assault kind of affair.

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>>55355482
The Gods in the Holoverse are beings who exist outside of space and time.

We know 3 of them, or at least they appear to be part of the power structure: Bae, IRyS and Omega, all 3 personifications of a concept.
This is the highest tier of power in Holo EN.

The next tier are the fundamental gods that exist within the universe and have a great deal of power over it.
Those are Sana and Kronii.

Then there are more local gods and demons that can affect entire planets or it's populations.
Fauna, Mumei, Ina, Bijou, Nerissa, Mori and possibly Shiori falls here.

Below that we are now at demi-gods, mythical creatures or just very powerful mortals who can have a significant impact on civilizations or larger groups of people.
Gura, Ame, Kiara and Fuwamoco should be placed here.

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>>55369521
What concept does Omega personify? "The Beginning and the End" thing?
Nice way to lay it out anon.

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>>55370500
Omega is the personification of causality.

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>>55370576
Where does that come from? Because he was the first EN staff?

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>>55370703
Basically this, not sure what else was said in their lore video since it's unavailable now
>The cause of "events" and was told to be the origin of the ancient malediction "Gaze of Omega."

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Should I play Battle for Aurorai now or should I wait for completion? What's the timeframe? Is playtesting a factor in your decision making?

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>>55372110
Oh I see, I guess that's a valid interpretation, interesting.

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>>55363657
So then, it was directly Negazion that waylaid her from the rest of the Guardians? As for the limited uses Dragonstone, could I possibly pull a Myrhh and say it has been extracted for experiments?

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>>55373838
Dev here, critique is very important, especially in gameplay balance and characterization. God-willing, I can restart work in midway August.

The current version has pretty much all of the early game arc and nothing else.

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>>55331290
>chuubanite
Essentially, yes. There is a lot of autism about it I'd be happy to help with, but there are a few rentries that explain the idea
https://rentry.org/chuubanite

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>>55376941
Based pic.

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>>55320260
>Rainpunk
Kino! One of my favorite kinds of punks. That's a good way to work in the Tarot thing. Do you still have that idea with the other planet and its draconic lifeforms?

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>>55383149
would suck farts out of that ass

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>>55380128
me when I see a lore post in the lore thread

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>>55383998

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>>55384981
Omg is that Nerdissa Ravencrap??? :O

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Hmm, still cant quite decide if Korosan is gonna be armor or fighter....

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Live.

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CLARO

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>>55390558
Again!

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>>55387256
Flip a coin for it, and if you want to change the outcome you'll know which one your heart truly wants.

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>>55392623
Another "fuck it, we ball" decision in the making. Same with me putting a Kiara support in Vesper's list lol

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>>55391938
And again!

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>>55358118
Apparently those gods fell into a slumber after the creation of Council so either Advent's apparent misdeeds sometime before or after than that. Or maybe that's what woke them up? I like to imagine (assuming there were only 4 gods) that each one dealt with one of Avent with one being on FuwaMoco

As far as Council goes
I think most of them could be said to be some kind of divine. Well for Sana, Fauna and Kronii anyways since they're direct prodcuts of the gods. Apparently "space and nothing else was just chaos" or something like that would make Bae more of a byproduct of the gods unlike the others. Although due to being a concept I suppose she outranks the rest since they're all guardians of their concepts, at least in terms of the nature of existance
Power presumably too assuming the rest of Council don't have full access to the power of whatever would come from being a concept as opposed to their guardians (if there even truly is one)
Mumei's also interesting since she apparently manifested from civilization. And human civilization specifically too which is interesting since you probably wouldn't think of humans to be the first civilization which make me wonder what is it about humans that created a gaurdian in particular. But Maybe it's something with Earth since "Nature" in Fauna's bio refers to only all organic matter on Earth in particular except for humans

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>>55395636
Then, other planets would get their own Faunas and Mumeis?

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>>55395779
Possibly. And maybe their own Kroniis and Sanas.

There's only one Bae and the prime is /here/. Everyone else in other planets is a derivative of her.

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>>55395870
I doubt Sana was assigned specifically to Earth, she mentions multiple times travel across the universe and Earth just being one visit amongst many. Having multiple guardians of time seems like it would get messy, but then I guess the Holoverse doesn't seem too concerned with time paradoxes.

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>>55396215
>Having multiple guardians of time seems like it would get messy
True. I suppose their also could be multiple Kronii's at a time cause... well time

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>>55396215
Maybe it could be like a Green Lantern thing, one Sana per zone.

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Mousey is talking about her lore right now.

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>>55398786
might vod that later, vshojo usually has some interesting stuff

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>>55398902
She's talking about how only one evil ironmouse exists in the multiverse and that she could appear if any ironmouse loses her bell.
She also mentioned that if more than one loses her bell it would basically spell doom for the multiverse which could possibly mean that a fully realized evil ironmouse might be on the same level as godchaama

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>>55399947
>sacred artifact lore
based

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>>55395779
I haven't even thought of that! But I guess if nothing is special about humans/earth than I guess. Civilization would kinda be a byproduct of all of the other concepts in a way so it could be possible
I wonder what the Fauna and Mumei of Iofi's planet would be like... or Reine's world for that matter. Or any of the other alternate universe Kiara's been in (if she even remembers)

>>55395870
With Sana and Kronii I kind of doubt it since they just seem to be of the entirety Space and Time of the universe as a whole but I suppose there could always be multiple Kroniis at the same time

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>>55398786
I'll definitely check it out later
Seems like Vshoujo is the most into lore when it comes to corpos

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>>55400883
Maybe the Kroniis could be assigned periods... Like, our Kronii is responsible for 1 million BC to 99 million AC or something.

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>>55404046
Or maybe they just swap on bathroom shifts. That or when they want to eat, sleep or lounge about assuming they don't need to do that to survive

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>>55402612
>Seems like Vshoujo is the most into lore when it comes to corpos

I think so but Hololive also has some decent lore imo.
The other corpos are hardly even trying, are they?

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>>55404706
>but Hololive also has some decent lore imo
Agreed. I'm more familiar with Hololive lore so I do like it more technically but I just think Vshoujo does a lot more dedicated lore based content every know and then

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>>55355482
>>55369521

If tried to rank CouncilRyS and the rest of the divine in power then I'd say it's like this
>Gods > IRyS >= Bae >= Sana >= Kronii > Fauna > Mumei
>Omega at least > CoucilRyS
>AO at least > Sana
Which is kind of a weird ranking but it's very situational and when it comes to the idea "destroy a concept" I assume "concept" refers to the construct as opposed to the literal concept. Like if you freeze, the construct that is time is frozen but technically time can be frozen for a certain amount of time. But that would refer to it's literal concept and not the thing that actually constitutes for "time" that would be tangible Kronii. The whole explanation is below if you care
Mumei at the bottom for likely being a human whose existence at least mimics that of the rest of guardians of Council (in terms of how they just appeared and possibly in terms of what conditions would be required to truly kill them)
Fauna's next up for being able to restore (and likely wither) all organic matter on Earth. She's at least a tier (or however many "tiers") above Mumei

Kornii and Sana are in another tier of power for simply being universal in terms of the scale of their concepts what they can likely do due to being they're guardians. The thing is I'd probably be willing to say Sana is either equal to or above Kronii since time can only exist within "a space" but "a space" can exist without time as witnessed with the universes creation. But if you were to presumably get rid of said universe, they time of it would disappear
But of course if time Kronii could stop Sana via time then maybe Kronii could beat her but I do think Sana would be more "durable" who knows what in terms of their specific powers, weapons and general fighting knowledge/ability. I doubt she could do much to Bae though since I feel like she might simply be able to defy any time thing Kronii could do or potentially even replicate it but those are just my doubts so I'd have to acknowledge she might be able to do something and win

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>>55405189(me)

The relation to with Sana and Kronii might be similar to the relation to Bae and Sana. That of which I do believe that Bae should typically be stronger by virtue of being a concept as opposed to a guardian. Although Sana might be more "divine" if you think her being directly created by the gods while "Chaos" came from "space and no other concepts being present" and coming from Sana counts for anything. Well unless you think both apply and it balances out
Conceptually if you were to destroy (the space of) a dimension you'd be getting rid of any civilization, nature, time and chaos of said dimension too, right? Well unless it was just the space but not everything within said space (if something like that would even be possible)? We at least know Space can exist without Chaos but likely not the other way around might at least give Sana more "durability" though for all we know she could survive it but just wasn't born before it
But since we're talking about characters, just like Kronii if Bae could likely manage something like Kronii's powers or something else she just might be able to pull a joker card and win

With IRyS and Bae it also might be a similar thing as the last Bae and Sana or Sana and Kronii. Fortunately of IRyS, she's both the embodiment of a concept and directly created by the gods so at least she doesn't lose on either fronts. In terms of what it takes to destroy said concepts I talked about with before with Bae and Sana. With IRyS it might be a little hard considering she had existed before any of Council and their concepts
Not only that but it'd be hard to get rid of the "concept" of hope. Even if no one could feel sadness ever again, that wouldn't exactly get rid of the emotion that is sadness where at the very least we know that concept of chaos can at least not exist without space though whether concept of chaos can exist without it is unknown. Not to mention her powers could consist of anything. Especially if "freedom from all logic and inherent nature of life" can imply she can defy how her own existence should logically be able to function
So again I want to say that IRyS' existence is "stronger" and might have a higher durability as a result of it and is at least equal to Bae if not greater in terms of their ranks or nature of existence (which Bae might be able to defy but I don't want to assume she's got no limits cuz chaos) in terms of movesets and combat ability I'd at least think Bae's got a great range of abilities

The gods are obviously above them all and Omega is at least above CouncilRyS and maybe equal to or above the gods depending on what you think of them. I didn't really consider any way Sana could have been amped by being an apostle to the AO. If I was I'd probably just assume whatever amp Ina got but whatever the distance between pre-mutated Ina and Sana would be I guess. Oh yeah the AO's would likely at least be above Sana assuming she wasn't stronger than them or turned into an apostle for them willingly

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>>55405189
In terms of physics, Space and Time are interchangeable, both are just dimensions of spacetime. For humans they seem different, but conceptually they're pretty similar. If one could exist without the other, either could, though I don't think one could. Or at least that's not a universe we could recognize.

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>>55405189
>>55405266
If I read it correctly you ranked Bae lower than IRyS because you say chaos cannot exist without space but that's not true because Bae existed before the universe was created.
Imo they should be put on the same tier for now and I don't see a real reason to assume they rank any lower than The Gods.
AO being stronger than Sana is also quite likely considering she became their apostel and I think Sana being stronger than Kronii could make sense considering that they should've been about equal at the beginning of time and Sana was stated to continuously grow stronger, with the expansion of space and then she also got Yatagarasu (who is at least galaxy level) and possible more powers from the AO beyond her space powers (she also has a better durability than a supermassive blackhole so there's little chance that Kronii could actually hurt her beyond time hax which she possibly has a great resistance to considering how time dilation works). Also the fact that the universe itself seems to be on her side and grants her wishes could give her the edge.

Also Fauna can revive more just than biological life forms, she literally restored earth itself after Sana destroyed it in her debut.

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>>55406378
>Sana was stated to continuously grow stronger, with the expansion of space
I don't remember if that was mentioned in some official material, but if that it based on IRL physics, I think this is a misunderstanding. The expansion of space can just as easily be re-interpreted as an expansion of time, both are mathematically interchangeable. Humans commonly say space is expending because we can perceive the dimensions of space, so this is a more useful and instinctive way to understand that idea.
It's the same thing with time dilation, that is equally a phenomenon of time and space.
Imo a fight between the two would end in either a stalemate or mutual destruction, since all their powers are just the other side of the other's coin. Well, that's before you get the AO stuff involved. Until we get more info on them I'm of the mind that Sana and Kronii are higher on the totem pole and Sana is its apostle because Ina is her friend.

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>>55407387
It's specifically mentioned for Sana, not for Kronii.
If I remember correctly in her debut lore she explained it.
Considering that Kronii's age is infinite, she likely doesn't grow any stronger from the expansion of space and she should be at her highest potential at any point of time.

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>>55407960
No, that's what I mean, "expansion of space" is also "expansion of time", it's just a matter of how you setup the equation.
If Kronii already has access to her "power level" at the end of time, that would simply mean that Sana's power is approaching Kronii's, and would eventually reach it after an infinite amount of time.
Shit gets wacky with infinities...

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>>55408683
Yeah I know what you said but that's not how powerscaling of beings that transcend conventional physics go. You need statements or feats to showcase that this is in fact true for Kronii and not just for Sana.

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>>55408683
Alright but what is time in physics sense`?

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>>55405909
Yeah that's why there's a lot of ">=" because I could see them being interchangeable but also see if one had to be higher. Don't know if gravity-time distortion counts as a space thing/ time thing or both. This is all within the logic of Hololive's universe as well and not strictly ours

>>55406378
Was Bae created before space? I think it's stated that Sana is the first concept created by the gods (in her bio and in the Council reveal video) and the chaos was the result of only space being made so the gods decided to make the other 2 concepts being Time and Nature
This is in the "prelude" video where IRyS says space was nothing but "disorder" Bae's bio says "Chaos is confusion and disarray, it is fortune and tragedy, and it is freedom from all the logic and inherent nature of life."
I'm assuming that fits because Bae's profile also says "A member of the Council and the very concept of Chaos, birthed by the world, itself." So if Sana was first and Bae was "birthed by the world" the I assume she'd be the second concept

That is unless you think "the world" refers to the whatever place the gods were prior to creating the universe. That way Bae could still be first while Sane would be the first created by the gods and "disorder" could just refer to disorder in general I guess

The former does make more sense to me than the latter though, so I kind of just go with IRyS >= Bae since I could easily see Bae at least being equal to her at most. Sana does state that "Space was not alone" once Nature was created in Fauna's debut but The gods were the one that bestowed Chaos with a body
I suppose the concepts that were metaphorically and/or literally fighting might not have exactly been people/personified at the time so Bae being first could still work I just think of her being second is more consistent and less complicated but that's just me

I should prbably stress that it's kind of just about who might be the most powerful in a general sense and not "who would win a fight"

I did forget about her saying that her power was expanding along with the ever expanding universe which makes me glad I put a all of the ">=" instead of just ">"
I do rememebr the restoration of the Earth though I should've mentioned that. Maybe her profile just didn't capture the full scope of her abilities

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>>55410254
Yeah, it's brought up multiple times that Bae existed before the universe was created.

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>>55410985
Makes enough sense. I'd assume "genisis" would be the word they're using to refer to the actual beginning of all (or wherever the hell the gods were) rather than the genisis of the universe which could also be considered "the world"
Regardless, either interpretation wouldn't change too much since it wasn't the only factor and I fortunately went with ">=" as opposed to strictly ">"

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Aside from the powerscaling, now that I think about it, there's at least 2-3 things that could constitute for the "world."

There's the universe which could just be all of space.
There's the "mortal realm" that Sana materialized in which again could either refer to the aforementioned universe/space or the area in which the universe was created in.
And then there's wherever the gods come from since "mortal realm" at least implies other realms and likely a divine realm of sorts.

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le bump

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>>55409097
Well, this is just my idea but I assume time in a "physical" sense as opposed to the literal idea would be whatever the construct of the concept would constitute for

This is pretty much the example I used. If you freeze time but can still move in said frozen time and then unfreeze it, time was still frozen for a certain amount of time. The difference is the "time" that was frozen would be the construct of time or the thing that could be manipulated, perceived or identified in some way. The "time" that passed when the actual time was frozen would merely be the literal concept/idea of time but not what time would literally be since that is what was frozen. Hopefully that wasn't too confusing

The nature of the constructs for each concept would change
Civilization would need to be reduced to either one person or less or the or just have the population return to savagery to "destroy" civilization

For nature it'd have to be the end of all organic matter at the very least or whatever Fauna would have control over

With space, this might be harder to imagine but likely then end of all matter that can constitute for space/the universe. Kind of like how collapsing a pocket dimension would destroy the space and all of the aforementioned concepts inside of it. Well, unless somehow only the space/dimension was destroyed but not its contents which would like fall into/float in nothingness

Regarding chaos might be a little bit tricky since in Hololive's canon, it kind of always existed by nature and constitutes as "confusion," "disarray," "fortune," "tragedy" and "freedom from all logic and inherent nature of life." So I suppose you would just have to get rid of all of the concepts, possibly by enacting some form of complete and total universal wide order/rules that could somehow not be disobeyed. As far as conscious beings with free will go, you might simply have to get rid of their ability to choose/get rid of "choice" altogether

And when it comes to hope, simply stopping all things from hoping wouldn't be enough since you'd only be getting rid of the ability to access hope as opposed to hope itself. The closest you could get to destroying hope would be, for ever being that can feel hope, getting rid of their actual ability to hope/feel hope. But even that might be debatable since you could argue that still wouldn't get rid of "the emotion of hope" or "what hope really is" since you could debate as to whether or not what the true nature of hope would even be as a construct

Whether or not CouncilRyS' can exist or simply keep their powers if their concepts or destroyed is unknown but could reasonably be assumed

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>>55410985
But Baelz is just the emissary of chaos, not chaos itself

Council get weird when you consider they’ve been playing fast and loose with their own lore since day 1. Only Mumei seems to remember she’s just the guardian of civilization.

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>>55416778
No, she's literally the personification of chaos, not just an avatar.

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>>55416859
Am I misremembering the lore? I swear all of council were either confirmed or implied to be vessels, not direct embodiments

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>>55417032
Huh, I’m wrong. Weird. That puts her far above her peers then. Interesting…

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>>55416778
>>55417032
>>55417109
She's literally the concept of Chaos. It's in her bio. The gods just gave her form. The rest of Council are guardians of their concepts but Bae literally is chaos

As far as Mumei she's considered wise and blessed with a wealth to the point she can't even retain most of it including her own name. So I just assume that she's the only one that probably didn't know what she was supposed to be at the start until the Council was formed and hopefully is one of the few things she doesn't forget

This leads to another topic. How much knowledge the Shiori obtain to the point to where the gods personally tossed her in some sort of confinement? Did it surpass the sum total of everything Mumei knows (but forgot) or was it they type of knowledge (too)?

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>>55417032
>>55417109
Interestingly though, the lore tidbit on the wiki page says she was birthed by the world, not that she existed before it. I think those are usually copy pasted from some official material?

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>>55417290
Mumei seems to be given the ok by the gods to have that wealth of knowledge, but it doesn’t seem to be forbidden knowledge, just information acquired throughout a long-lived existence. Shiori on the other hand seems thoroughly mindbroken (not in that way) by whatever she learned, making me think it IS forbidden knowledge. The difference between reading a lot of books and reading unredacted government files, if you will.

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>>55417290
I think Shiori's knowledge is probably quality over quantity, compared to Mumei. Shiori knows where Nerissa's horn is, which could end humanity; Mumei knows every cement recipe.

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>>55417290
I think the issue is more what kind of things Shiori learned, which is implied to be eldritch and otherworldly knowledge.

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>>55417366
Yeah they are copied from the offical site. Some wikis even have the earlier and current versions of bios if they were ever changed

Bae had apparently existed since the world or "the genesis" but then again there's also this >>55413447

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>>55417541
Ina uses the book, Shiori reads it

>>55417487
I would love to hear Mumei talk to me about cement for 9 hours

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>>55417479
>>55417487
>>55417541
desu I'm pretty much in agreement that it was likely what she knew. Though considering the last time 2 people that discovered a "forbidden truth" got turned into an apostle for the AO. Maybe that's why I imagine it would've been against the their rules
Well, I assume advent knew about the rules or were informed of the rules and refused to comply prior to getting "imprisoned"

hough I do recognize that'd be a bit of an assumption since while they do want order and balance who knows how the gods personally handled things exactly. Although Advent's confinement apparently wasn't too bad (For FuwaMoco at least)

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>>55409097
In a physics sense, time is just another dimension. The same way you can walk along the X direction, a being able to time travel would be able to walk along the axis of time as it desires. Obviously it has a few more quirks that make such time travel difficult in our universe, though.
Fun fact, once you fall into a black hole, the path you must follow through space converges to a single possibility, similar to how the path you must follow through time tends to be restricted to 1 second per, uh second.

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Yes yes well done anons, well done anons, however; how do we account for Ame being the only reliably multiversal being in this cosmology?

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>>55419013
Those are all different Ame. So she's not a multiversal being.

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>>55419357
She's able to travel between the universes, that's how she can meet the other Ames. I don't know what your definition of multiversal is, but "able to freely travel between universes" fits the bill to me.

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>>55419506
Most people generally use terms like "universal" or "multiversal" as powerscaling terms rather how many places they exist in, so that's what they probably assumed

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>>55419684
Being able to travel across universes does give you above universal durability, since you can evade the attacks of any universal threat by traveling to another universe.

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>>55419957
That's not a durability feat. Durability is the toughness or natural defense of the person. Hiding somewhere else doesn't count
If anything that'd be a speed feat, I guess at best. But even then that'd depend on how fast it takes to work the watch and how fast it takes for the watch initiate the time(space) travel too

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Ame’s dimensional travel is likely accidental and due to the fob watch doing weird stuff a-la TARDIS (you’d be joking if you tried to tell me Doctor Who didn’t have some bearing on Ame’s mythology)
As for how she represents it, that’s absolutely just her making shit up for fun and not lore canon.

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>>55420533
ogey

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>>55420533
>As for how she represents it, that’s absolutely just her making shit up for fun and not lore canon
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but literally all this is made up shit for fun. If it comes from the chuuba herself that's as canon as can be to me.
>>55420381
When you have wacky stuff like concepts fighting each other, I don't think "toughness" really means anything. The attacks are barely physical still. "Ability to not be damaged" is equivalent to durability in this situation. Though I'll grant you this depends on Ame being able to activate the watch in a timely manner.

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When Kiara dies and rebirths, does she keep her personality, or is it like a doctor who regeneration?

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>>55420894
I'm not really talking about the legitimacy or worth of not being able to be attacked, I'm just talking differentiating between literal terms
I understand not being able to be hit has the same value of as being indestructible

>>55421392
At least a temporary memory loss like in her redebuts

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With the upswing of aggressive and cannibalistic Rosebuds in the NijiEN threads these past few weeks, I'm wondering if a particularly violent and brutalist sect of Rosebutas making it into the far reaches of space would be interesting. I've gotten a lot of good ideas for the application of Rosestone travel engines and particle beam cannons at least