Am I the only one who doesn’t like all the Niji-bullying on this board

[Anonymous No.]

Don’t get me wrong, I stopped watching NijiEN a while ago, but general atmosphere negativity just makes me feel awful. I hate bullying others, or seeing others get bullied, but bullying in Vtubing especially just seems wrong.

Fuwawa and Mococo are the first girls ever since old HoloJP where I’ve genuinely felt happiness just watching their streams, free of all that pozzed Western cringe. No zoomer memes, no ironic self-deprecating humor, no anti-parasocial soapboxing; just two cute Japanese girls barely speaking English and making cute moe noises to get the purest forms of dopamine and serotonin running through my brain. And then I go to their threads, and people bring up Nijiseethe, and Niji graduations, and Nijisisters out of nowhere just because someone said they couldn’t understand the girls’ accents. It all seems so needlessly bitter and meanspirited. I can’t imagine the people spamming those kinds of posts to be very happy in their lives; after all, people tend to only lash out at others when they don’t feel content with themselves.

Anyway, the thread topic: Am I alone in this mindset? Am I the only one who just wants to enjoy the new girls on their own terms, and forget that NijiEN ever existed, even if just for a little bit? Am I the only one who doesn’t get any joy from kicking their dead horse? Forgive me for sounding conceited, but am I the only person here who isn’t a psychopath?

[Anonymous No.]

>no mention of the homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
I'd feel the same way as you... until I venture into /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081689
I only feel bad for the brotubers, of which there are none

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Time to graduate from vt anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
NPC behavior deserves to be mocked
Nijisanji also deserves to be shit on but their antis really fall into the bot category

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Sisters harassed Mysta until he was forced to graduated. I'll never forgive them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Hate niji corporate and the toxic fans, but support the talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
I fucking hate their hypocrisy about parasocial relationship. I don't give a fuck if you want to take the money from mentally deranged but don't fucking act like you are not the one baiting them into parasocial relationship in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

I'm definitely glad that Advent came along and are engaging enough to finally watch over any random NijiEN girl's stream. Council didn't have that for me except for Fauna.
Also I stopped hating most of the people in NijiEN when it became increasingly clear that a lot of the members are being actively hurt by shitty management and overwork that ends up being nothing. So much of Nijisanji's negative perception is due to garbage management and the talents are the ones who have to take it on the chin.
btw Rosemi is still kino.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes.

Total nijisanji death

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
>Words words BLA BLA BLA
ALL OUT WAR LOLE

[Anonymous No.]

unironically it’s because of SEA tourists from facebook and twitter that have no idea what shitposting is and believing the bait here which turns into actual hate

[Anonymous No.]

Nijiniggers literally harass their own livers into quitting, and the minute they do they're persona non grata. They don't deserve mercy or respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
>chink gacha image
>bug
>assmad about people bullying the only corpo that panders to them
every time

[Anonymous No.]

holy shit this place truly is reddit now

[Anonymous No.]

>>55085820
>now

[Anonymous No.]

>>55085542
kek

[Anonymous No.]

If you want less mentally ill chuuba discussion just go to the generals
The catalog is mostly just for tribalfags and tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Stop using the catalog, it's flooded with SEA children that don't understand 4chan and complete nihilist doomers who only want to see disruption. Any sign of empathy will be immediately jumped upon with 12 layers of irony. The threads outside of generals are truly a sea of piss

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that HoloEN actually has MORE girls than NijiEN.
If you are a male vtuber fan, there is absolutely zero reason to choose the inferior option

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
>Am I alone in this mindset
I was just like you, a massive unity fag who believed that tribalism was retarded.
And then I learned that Nijis actually are just as bad as everyone said they were and actively rely on the type of reddit hug box environment to hide from criticism of their objectively awful behavior. They really do falseflag, they falseflag blatantly and fuck up decent threads while using your oshi for shitposts and will cry and whine that they dindu nuffin. They can't take a fucking ounce of criticism and will genuinely shill for their company over their chuubas, I thought it was fucked up how many people turned on the fandead during Rushia's yab but holy shit watching them absolutely shit on Zaion and Gundou made me feel actual disgust. They're a blight on the vtubing industry with their mass market "how a model at you and spit you out" mode of operation and it's the absolute antithesis to what Vtubing should be about.
I can acknowledge its not all of them and its mostly a management issue but they deserve every insult that has been said already and is coming to them for betraying my ignorance. Salome is cool tho

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNYhSsR8EE

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087362
Quality > quantity

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>>55087377
But everyone here was on Zaion’s side? It’s Twitter who turned against her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087684
HoloEN has the quality by far. They actually support their talents, invest in new technology, constantly upgrading assets. They are better by far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087693
>everyone
I remember posts defending the decision to suspend her, a good amount. The people on Zaion's side in /vt/ were half holobronies who wanted another nijiyab which was used as a bash against zaion shills. Either way, it was repulsive seeing just how many people on Twitter were openly shitting on Zaion and linking directly to the posts of her suspension not to mention the entire situation was a smear campaign by management to discredit anything Zaion would have to say after the matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55088398
You're misremembering then. /vt/ was unanimously pro Zaion

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081746
Stay in your containment thread, schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>55083799
that was literally only Enna and Finana. Pomu has said that being parasocial is okay, because she feels the same towards chat so has Elira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087684
NijiEN isn't exactly oozing with quality these days. It's like the worst of both worlds where fans don't really have much of either. There's a few good talents and moments in a branch drying up like a desert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089072
Elira did it too. "You are not my friends"

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087377
It was almost comical how quickly they turned out against Gundou

>before the suspension
>"lmao Gundou is based as fuck, you holobronies are just jealous she has Creative Freedom™ and can freely talk about whatever she wants unlike your holowhores who are forced to act like seiso idols"
>after the suspension
>"akshually Gundou was always a loose canon, a compulsive liar and generally a horrible person always causing trouble for everyone else around her and had it coming for a long time, you holobronies have nerver watched her and are just pretending to like her to make niji look bad :("

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Don't start shit and there won't be shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Newfags and tourists fault
They didn't lurk enough and thought we were tribalfagging for real
Doesn't help that they are obnoxiously loud and will flood the catalog with some useless shit
>>55086776
I couldn't care less if they didn't flood the board and jannies do their work
But heh, I'm asking for too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089079
Nijisanji:
>talents cut loose after debut
>no permissions
>projects shut down
Hololive:
>1 manager per talent
>technology improvements: hand emotes, home-3D, asset pinning
>debuts are actually financed and promoted causing massive momentum
>merch opportunities, 3D concerts for days
>give the talents training courses before their debut, dramatically reducing yabs and conflicts

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>>55089246
That wasn't unprovoked though she was already stressed about shit like the AR live fiasco then she had to deal with two schizos in chat and she regreted saying it right after in the comments. Plus, after Nina graduated she broke down in tears and admitted she doesn't think she would ever graduate because she would miss talking to chat so much.

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>>55081589
You are in the wrong place, just go to youtube, watch streams and be happy there, anything outside of that is a fucking shithole including clips, reddit, x or here, doesn't matter where you go there are always retards fighting because someone said something wrong, tribalism, homobeggars are cunts, and normies trying to inject their poison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089681
that was because she spent time talking to Enna so she dragged her stream to a halt out of nowhere to lecture her chat that they are "not friends". Because Enna wants to flirt with Kyo without feeling like she's NTRing people so she promotes the "no parasocial" garbage among the other girls like a toxic virus

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081815
shinri is literally /ourbro/ but you're too blind to see it

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>>55089846
probably, Enna is a cunt. It's clear especially now she doesn't mean that or that maybe she just realized she actually does see chat as friends. It's like how you can tell how uncomfortable she is when Enna and Uki start making racist white people jokes

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089532
It really was frustrating reading Riku's response during the recent shareholder Q&A , it showed that he really doesn't understand or care why some of their good talents are leaving the company. He just sweeps it under the rug as "hate comments" being a problematic reason for graduation and they're going to do more on that front, but when it comes to doing more to keep them like offering actual benefits, he'd rather see them off than spend any of the company's money on doing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081746
Numbers is a circlejerk of Holodrones shitting on Nijisanji 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089440
The second post is actually true though. From my perspective it was weird how she suddenly became a great person and had people acting as if she was some highly respected member of Nijisanji or something when she was just about everything your average hololive fan on this board thinks is what is wrong with vtubers, crude, rude, loud, abrasive, disrespectful, open about sex and sexuality, even supportive of LGBT causes, the kind of vtuber that continues to act that way even around people who are trying to do more seiso kayfabe instead of toning it down a bit.

She was one of the most if not the most hated Nijisanji members for years and caused all sorts of trouble for the company over and over again, she had a huge amount of antis.

She repeatedly had all sorts of scandals that you guys just never get to hear about because you don't follow Nijisanji. She was caught in all sorts of lies about her teacher kayfabe and travelling, she caused drama with other members, she admitted tax fraud on stream one time, she admitted to being involved in borderline criminal catfishing on stream one time, she said some stuff iin support of facism one time, she would block huge amounts of people on twitter and then tweet about it, she would be outright rude and hostile to viewers on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's a bit overdone, and I don't like how people shit on the livers and what they brought to vtubing.
On the other hand I genuinely hate the company for how it's ran and I find a lot of their content unappealing (even hyped stuff like koshien and some of their 3d performances). I haven't watched them regularly since my Niji oshi graduated, and I don't feel bad for them getting shit on when they fuck up (so, all the time).

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092010
It's nice being on the winning side, afterall, it's not our fault. "ALL OUT WAR" am I right?

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>>55090333
God, I miss the Lazusydia days. Seems like management was really aiming for the “burnt-out Hololive” audience for those first two waves, with Pomu, Elira, and Rosemi having a sense of respect and professionalism when it came to Vtuber culture. Selen less so, but she was still a hell of an entertainer, and she knew how to make good vibes and keep idpol shit out of her content. Finana was little more than coomer clipbait, but she hadn’t been groomed by her own discord yet, and Enna wasn’t around to corrupt her, so she mostly had good influences around her at the time. And Petra… was… cute? Inoffensive then, inoffensive now.

Nevertheless, the whole group was just pure entertainment, good vibes, and escapism. It was like the active chat and production values of HoloEN, with the intimacy and freedom of a small corpo; the best of both worlds. Members jumping into each other’s chats for impromptu collabs was a refreshing idea at the time compared to HoloEN’s stiffer collab structure, and worked great back when there weren’t any members you actively wanted to avoid. Shit like the Rosemi game show, Selen’s Phasmo marathon, the zatsu before the Lunch Lady stream, were all fond memories for me, and they still are. I’d kill to see another corpo give me that kind of experience again, maybe a small startup one, with the level of professionalism and member chemistry Lazusydia used to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55091583
What are you quoting? I dunno what you mean with the spend companies money on doing anything thing either? Nijisanji does lots of "things"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092065
Post proof or you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
i don't like it either anon. i love it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092184
I mean when it comes down to the numbers that actually matter in the real world though its Nijisanji that wins. The company is worth the most, they make the most revenue, they make the most profit. So the numberfags ignore all that and just stroke their dicks over things that don't actually matter in the end like CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
you have gained your sanity, it's time to leave vt

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
You're minority here.
Nijisanji always was a burning dumpster that reeks of shit from far distance and deserves the hate it gets because of management's and owner's incompetence.

[Anonymous No.]

>watching Gura stream
>she's pinning assets to her model (Nijisanji can't do that)
>she's using her home-3D (Nijisanji doesn't have that)
>she's using fancy new hand emotes (Nijisanji doesn't have that either)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7dTnCl2pVA&t=1175

Hololive invested heavily in technology improvements. Nijisanji invested in Riku's bank account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55089072
at this point if you believe the catalog without watching streams, it's your own fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092788
Nijisanji does have Home3D? They had it before Hololive even, its been a thing for years and years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092199
lazusydia are still pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
The bau baus are white though. A lot of what they're doing is still fake. Remember to set expectations and don't get too delusional or it's gonna break your heart when the illusion shatters. Vtubers are just entertainment, have fun and don't let any of it affect you emotionally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
You can fuck off back to >>>/jp/ then

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092199
Lazulight literally just had a classic style Lunch Lady collab yesterday. No males, no open VC, just the three girls having fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092788
you have a point
When Holofags throw money at their chuubas you know it's getting reinvested into them and can see the fruits of your generosity
When Nijifags throw money at theirs it basically goes into a black hole and management keeps fucking them over at every opportunity

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Niji lives rent-free in these schizos' heads. Be glad you're not one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087377
A lot of nijifags are bitter. Some for legitimate reasons (just look at the shitposting here), some because they can't stand how the company is irrelevant in the West. I also think that attacking your own talents is the lowest you can get as a fan, and it's way more prevalent with nijifags.
A lot of the tribalism does come from them too: like JP antis organizing to kill Holo5, or stupid company policies like the NijiEN Holo collab ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55085294
This. Nijis team up with Deadbeats to homobeg. Total homobeggar death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
TOTAL NIJISANJI DEATH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Tourists and newfags make the mistake of taking the common phrase of "4chan is not your hugbox" as "4chan is your toilet".
Unfortunately, the board is littered with these dumbfucks, and I doubt it will ever get better.

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>>55092610
You know another company that "made the most revenue"? Enron and look how that turned out, hell, look out how Niji is turning out, appearently all that success isn't being distributed down to the livers, but I will give you credit Niji does win in some numbers here's another they're winning in.

looks pretty healthy don't you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092788
I dunno what you are talking about Niji3D has been a thing since 2018?
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/199
Recently they have started upgrading their Home3D to use Mocopi actually, so nowadays people can do full body 3D streams from their home without going to the studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPlAIE0UP3s

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092184
I have no idea what you are even trying to express with your post.
You are not even making sense with your all out war quote.
Saying debuting Tempus just after Luxiem did good feels like an all out war, does not mean that the Niji who said this wanted to declare an all out war against Hololive. Or whatever it is you are trying to convey with your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55093306
Even if he just meant EN they have members with 3D at home too. So not really sure what he is getting at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55093162
I don't know what's worse between the idiots flooding the board with garbage, jannies acting like shitposting is not a bannable offense, and the idiots talking everything posted here as gospel.
/vt/ is basically everything wrong with 4chan in one "neat" package.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Anon, learn to mentally filter schizoposts. Most of them are samefagging on both sides anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Look, I get it, despite that some cunts got what they fucking deserved, I totally get it, there are some members that do not deserve to be on that position, but what are >we supposed to do when most of the heat was product of their own actions? >we didn't offer gift cards, >we didn't set a 4chan simulator on stream, >we didn't leak the niji discord, and so on and so on.
I also want to call for a truce until they get their shit together, I think it's pretty clear which side won and there is no point in figthing anymore, the peace process could start now and we all can pretend nothing happened as long as the current order of things is not challenged, that doesn't apply only to niji nor only outside of hololive, I think UNITY is almost impossible to achieve, but not impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092999
Lunch Lady is trash-tier content. Whatever happened to the podcast-style and flavored zatsudan content they wanted to do? I think they should put more effort in their collabs, keep it sparse but make them special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092788
I swear holofags always do this to themselves, they think that because they don't know about something it doesn't exist. Hence how you get dumb people like this saying Nijisanji don't have home 3d when they have had it since before he started watching vtubers. It was the same thing when Cover built their new studio recently people going on about how cover actually invests their money into the business by doing things like building this studio while nijisanji just enriches Riku or whatever. Meanwhile in reality Nijisanji opened a new second studio the year before Hololive opened one. Holofags for some reason seem to assume that if they don't know about it it doesn't exist and they know very little about Nijisanji besides the negativity that gets fed to them by the more tribalistic people in their camp so they never really hear about any of the good stuff they do and assume it just doesn't happen because of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Not a single ounce of pity. It was diffrent when it was just the fans, but NijiEn livers faggots started to participate in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>55095700
>matuli
No wonder it lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>55087377
This. This is why NijiEN and Nijifaggots get shit on regularly. Nijinigs are Anycolor's 50 cent army. Go against "the party"? Prepare for "the people" to fling shit at you. Nobody wants a miniature China to exist in their hobby.
>Salome is cool tho
Her act is alright, but the brazen botting stunt Anycolor pulled has spoiled her for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55097454
It's funny when people like you try to sound like you're reasonable then immediately expose yourself as a nutcase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55095700
>Coco
>ParanormalHK
Yab

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of it is shitposting, another chunk is criticizing the company because of its bad treatment of vtubers and fans. And Niji is a black company, to be clear.
The only real problem is drama whores shitting on vtubers they never even watch because they take 4chan too seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55093359
What I'm trying to say is that -------------------------------------------------------___________________________________--------------------------------_____you'll never live it down.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------__--_____

[Anonymous No.]

I couldn’t careless, people here unironically don’t watch streams & will chime in on topics that are 100% bait and take it as fact. They’ll shit on everything that isn’t Holojp and drag Nijien & Holoen through the mud because of “problems”. People here act like they’re a big part of audiences when we don’t even account for 2% of the general viewers of vtubing.

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>>55081589
We're not mean to them for no reason. Nijinogs are actual malignant cancer, the members and the fanbase alike. Completely ate up with psychotic twitter fagoons.
You want that cancer to spread to Hololive? Fuck that. The reason Holo hasn't gone to shit is because of active gatekeeping. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

NijiRATS deserve all the bullying in the world.
You know that meme about ontologically evil people? It applies here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55095477
>in reality Nijisanji opened a new second studio the year before Hololive opened one
and yet the EN can't use it and have to wait for 2024 lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>55098591
This is what often gets glanced over by organ lovers. The premise of having your EN branch talk shit behind closed doors isn’t new, but the presence of evidence solidifies the reality of it taking place. All they had to do was not get caught; instead, it will haunt them forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
The silliest thing is how the catalog and half of the generals blame "nijifags" for everything bad that happens here. During peak NA hours yesterday, /nijien/ had fewer than a third of the IPs of /hlgg/. Meanwhile the niji splits are all basically dead and constantly have to be bumped off of page 10 while there are over a dozen very active holo splits.

Am I truly supposed to believe that a community which barely has 100 IPs at peak hours and just a handful of dead splits are responsible for every single bait thread and every single negative post in most generals? It's literally impossible.
Hate on the legitimately shitty practices of the company all you want, but there isn't a "nijifag" hiding behind every blade of grass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55099663
You have to learn to properly differentiate between genuine (deserved) abuse and banter, sister.
Most of what Niji receives is just lighthearted tribal shit talking. It seems one-sided because most of the /here/ Niji fans have gradually converted to Holo or small corpo/Indie chubas because of the neverending river of shit coming out of Kurokara. They are rapidly hemorrhaging fans in general outside of here too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Niji are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijishitters first kicked us out from /vyt/, and then from /jp/, and now that we have our own board, you have the audacity to cry victim?
GTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>55085542
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>55092199
>God, I miss the Lazusydia days
same

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Me too. I feel sorry for the livers. They only slipped up once and will probably never hear the end of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
This is originally a Holo board and we're fighting an all out war that Niji started, don't like it? Go hide in your Niji hugbox, no need to falseflag as a Holofan to make people stop shitting on Niji, because it'll never happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55085542
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Chumbuds go through this every day.
It's called Karma.
Been used to the bots in /ggg/. Probably miss them if they ever leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
Go back to /hsrg/, that general needs more help than any general on /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>55081589
I'd feel the same way as you... until I venture into /#/