/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Makes vtubing history stream
>Doesn't even mention Nijisanji
Are holos banned from mentioning nijisanji again or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Not relevant enough. 0 impact on industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
It was a celebration of vtuber history not a cautionary tale against stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
damn...

[Anonymous No.]

Majority of her audience doesn't want to hear about Niggisanji, especially with how dogshit their public rep has been recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
No they're just that insignificant

[Anonymous No.]

Do I look like I know what a nijisanji is? I just wanted to hear her talk about some god damn history!

[Anonymous No.]

More importantly, why didn't she mention the first English vtuber Natsumi Moe?

[Anonymous No.]

>makes vtubing history stream
>25 minutes of vtubing talk in 3 hours
I was thinking she reminded me of pippa before but God damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
Spbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
b-based...

[Anonymous No.]

What I would have really loved to see is her dancing around Eilene while talking about Mirai Akari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Baused

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Buy an ad

[Anonymous No.]

I thought I heard Mito's name around the part where she was talking about Virtual-san wa Miteiru?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884273
It did come up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884203
>he hasn't heard and has no idea who Yomemi Moe is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnruFkwWZDU

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884135
She hates her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
The whole purpose on that stream is to make her looks like an old timer. She is a bitter 2view and know her late popularity is only due to hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884135
You can't toot your own horn anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884273
>Mito's legacy will be being in that shitty anime
At this point you are better off forgotten

[Anonymous No.]

>makes vtuber history
In what way?

[Anonymous No.]

Its honestly still kinda surreal that Moe is just in hololive now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884595
damn this anon's brain just shut off his ability to read three words in

[Anonymous No.]

Shitposting aside, I wouldn't be surprised if her manager took her to one side and asked her to correct her "oversight."

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
>Makes vtuber history revision stream
There, a correct statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
??

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884643
What did he do to you? Why did you damn that anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is 2018 newfag why would you mention them when you talk about real vtubing history ? She also doesn't really mention Holomem beside Sora, Nijisanji is irrelevant in the history of vtubing, you can just erase them and nothing would change in vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884684
You mean using Ai's headband without perms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Just because something was popular doesn't mean it was influential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884777
But who would take the throne for most graduations then?

[Anonymous No.]

This image gets you banned

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
>check the stream
>no slides, no pictures, not even a current topic written out on screen
What a shitty low-effort "educational" stream. Even if you listen to someone lecturing IRL they have blackboards at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Honestly, though, Nijisanji basically just jumped on a fad and made 0 improvements to it. At least Hololive applied the concept to idols and it worked well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885464
you expect a corpo chuba to put another chuba picture/model on thier stream?

[Anonymous No.]

She was obviously not allowed to mention other corpos in general, not just Niji. Holobronies being retarded and thinking this is based because she got restricted by Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885626
>At least Hololive applied the concept to idols and it worked well.
You mean .Live?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know much about Nijisanji, but what are those baseball video game streams i sometimes i see with like 70k ccv?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885753
>Headcanon
Mentioning Kizuna Ai is already mentioning other corpo retarded newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885626
>just jumped on a fad and made 0 improvements
Your newfaggotry is showing. They popularized streaming, brought in 5 chuuba gens, pioneered the debut format, among many other things. Hololive owns a lot to Nijisanji, they used to literally leech from them by putting the nijisanji tag in their videos.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji? Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885753
she did mention other corporate vtuber incase you didn't watch the stream. and holo never restricted from mentioning other corporate infact they did it all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885896
She didn't mention upd8 though? Or .LIVE even though they were also more important on the streaming scene than hololive back then .

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884135
That reminds me, menhera roleplay ASMR streams (for members only) are going to be pure unadulterated coomer-kino
Can't wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885879
Popular in japan only
To be fair niji JP is not like the trash you have here

[Anonymous No.]

History is made by the winners, seethe Nijikeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884157
Is Yagoo stealing Sakana's supply of TANGENT JUICE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885875
.Live's idol club is more like idol in the group name only, they don't really doing music and concert stuff, you would know Antama if you're not a newfag they are the closest one to be actual idol unit while Sora was more of solo idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885939
wasnt niji also responsible for popularizing live2d software and making it the de facto industry standard? hololive used some proprietary shit developed in-house instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885939
Holy shit nijisanji invented streaming???????????? And debuts?????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884157
What about the other 155 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886299
and graduations!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885647
Yes, I do. Just put their fucking PFP next to some text, that would be enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
She did. But just called them THE bread winner during the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886261
I was going to mention Enogu but thought I'd get LITERALLY WHO'd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886334
Holy based I kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886367
that would require tons of permission bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
No kuzuha mention
Niji bros I thought he was the most influential male vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885965
>You need to mention the corpo names for it to be count
Why ? Doesn't mention the corpo name makes them not from other corpo? She is talking about real OGs vtuber history and Nijisanji is newfag compared to the real OGs so she doesn't mention them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884855
What happened on the 9th of june 2018 when history was made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885753
>that image
i look like this and say things like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
>found out about vtubers in 2018
>Wow you're such an oldfag respect anon!
>found out about 4chan in 2018
>KILL YOURSELF AND LURK IN THAT ORDER ELECTION TOURIST
nice double standard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886503
Then make it doodles or something. Or don't but just have some fucking text on screen if your stream is meant to be educational. Even though pictures might be a hassle just mentioning any vtubers from any corpo is absolutely fine and Holos have done that multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886332
It'll be even worse once superchat are enabled and she stops what she's doing to read every single one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886688
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886688
huh I didn't know vtubing started in 2003

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886760
the Scarle of HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886899
I doubt she will start to exclusively do handcam and "hand"cam streams while putting cropped porn in thumbnails to clickbait

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886543
And there's a reason she skipped over the upd8, Niji .LIVE, and 774 era of vtubing, because Cover wasn't going to allow her to mention any of those corpos by name. Mentioning Mito was okay apparently: >>54884273

[Anonymous No.]

>nijifriends shit up the board and falseflag shiori
>entire company gets unpersoned in vtubing history

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887113
Ruthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
>Cites CodeMiko as a big figure in 3D Vtubing
>Doesn't even mention Projekt Melody

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887144
Vshojo is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887144
She hates melody since she tried to orbit her but got ignored.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887241
>she hates vshojo
>she hates nijisanji
And holobronies are ok with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887313
yes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887216
Melody isn't though

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887030
>Skipped
Again there is no need to mention them as she mostly talked about the real OG chuuba which mean 2017 or before chuuba and she only mentioned that anime because many of OG chuuba are there despite some 2018 newfag chuuba also there

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
She would have had to call them a black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886297
Yes, most Vtubers were still using 3D, but as you can see tribalfags can't even acknowledge that. What this anon said is correct though.
>>54887513

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
Kek
very based

[Anonymous No.]

>>54885939
You're the newfag if you think streaming is popularized by Nijisanji, do you think vtuber lives in different universe ? And debut gen is literally from idol when Nijisanji is not even using gen they use wave instead, I've heard these bullshit exaggerated claim often got thrown a lot by delusional nijifag

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887313
Holy based, I cannot wait for her to ignore Orange woman who has collabed with both

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887999
It's true though. Even Sora did mostly videos and occasional streaming, but after Mito and the first Niji debuts they well all streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888139
That's because Mito copied Sora with all that streamer+idol stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883959
Niji gave HoloJP everything they had retard. Holo owes its existence to Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888425
And other hilarious things NijiCN fans tell to themselves in their heads

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888425

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887113
>Cover restricts streamer from doing something
>BASED BASED
Go back to seething about your shitposts getting deleted numbernigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888139
Sora streamed in her debut so are you gonna say Sora knows about streaming from Nijisanji because they "popularized" it as your claim? when she predates all of them ? The fact is streaming is already popular and they definitely don't just know about streaming because they saw Nijisanji and you are just delusional nigger trying to claim superiority and saying people are copying them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888541
Come back when your company stops firing people for making very offensive baseball jokes

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888908
Come on now a baseball joke wasn't that bad. A deez nuts joke on the other hand... I nearly had a heart attack

[Anonymous No.]

Mito and kurosanji popularized the cheap and low effort live2D streaming format that opened the floodgates for a tsunami of talentless nobodies to become vtubers. Live2D and it's consequences have been a disaster for vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887999
>And debut gen is literally from idol when Nijisanji is not even using gen they use wave instead
The funniest cope ever. Go back.
>>54888312
>Mito copied Sora with all that streamer+idol stuff
Sora wasn't even the first streamer+idol chuuba, not like you'd know about it.
>>54888630
Sora had been the streaming focused chuuba, long ass streams were the entirety of her content. But she had no clue how to do it, and so her popularity tanked back in the day when everyone else focused on videos with no or only occasional streaming. At some point she started doing shorts too and immediately got more popular.
Damn, I know /vt/ is a bunch of newfag brony tourists, but at least do some research on your favorite agency to avoid embarrassing yourself in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
based woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>54887144
But melody was banned for most of the vshitshow interactions do to her cb streams iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>54889291
a window to the past.. and /#/ was always there - terrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
spbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>54889291
Generation thing is from idol culture retard, holy shit
Also what are you blabbering about retard? the fact that Sora knows about streaming is a proof that streaming is already popular and most jap knows it from NND not Nijisanji you drooling retard, so streaming is already known and popular, Niji don't popularized them, you're a nijingger you're the newfag you don't call people newfag, the debut of Nijisanji is a cancer in vtubing, they polluted vtubing with their spamming their talentless streamer with anime avatar, stop larping newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Smart enough to tiptoe around subjects autists would create drama over. Honestly gives me hope for her in the future, she understands how to placate the squealing hogs well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890139
>Generation thing is from idol culture
Which holowhores openly despise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
Dude, since everything was Atilla so new to them, then it would pretty much be impossible to not make mistakes. Niji already had the script ready for hololive so it WOULD be hard for them to make mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890354
Sample size: 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883959
>>54884100
>>54886164
>Niji
>not the MOST major part of vtuber history

Please tell me you're all being ironic

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890361 me
*still so new to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890522
You mean this? >>54884855 That is all that nijisanji will be remembered for

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888139
i thought Mito popularized Live2d, not streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is the originator of what modern vtubing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890139
>>54890704
Mito popularized streaming around the vtuber sphere. Sora the irrelevant nobody did nothing, but of course Cover wasn't going to allow her to say this because they have have to pretend their shitter mascot was relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890704
It's both. And it wasn't Mito alone, Shizuka Rin was also huge and had a few clips that went viral in the West like the Country Roads one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
Bugs are known for historical revisionism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890946
Kind of sad how Nijisanji squandered all that first mover advantage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54890946
>Vtuber lives in different universe they never use internet before
Lmao, so funny looking at delusional nijingger trying so hard to pretend Niji is anything but a cancer in vtubing, they are just talentless streamer with anime avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891228
Leeches and copycats out-earning pioneers is a common trope, especially in the entertainment industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891304
Why are holobronies like that nora~?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891315
>Leecher
That's literally Nijisanji leeching the first vtuber boom by real OGs vtuber and their newfag fans are like chumbud when Holomyth just debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891405
Nijisanji IS the first vtuber boom. Vtubers were nobodies before them, and they largely still are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891364
Why are nijinigger so delusional ? Imagine saying they popularized something that already popular just to pretend they are important lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891481
I guess Eilene just never existed then.Also Kaguya Luna (aka p-maru) is currently shitting on every single niji liver with how popular she is
Its a shame you cant rewrite history like you can in your chinese internet huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
She mainly focused on how the medium evolved and the technology. Only a handful of people were worth mentioning in how much influence they had on the medium and people using them as a template for their own content.

I don't think most current viewers care because they don't care about the medium over popular personalities as such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891481
>Least delusional nijinigger
Go back newfag and Niji only got upper hand because they are the first company putting more money like getting investment from Sony but they still manage to lose that advantage because they are that boring and talentless

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891537
How many subs Eilene had before Mirai Akari erased her from existence?
Don't you dare dodge this question, faggot, answer it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891634
NTA but are you seriously trying to boil down the entire hobby and how it evolved and will evolve down to sub count?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891304
>>54891480
Vtubers before Mito had their content around doing skits, streaming was very rare. Nijisanji absolutely popularized the style of vtubing that is common nowadays. Go watch any video about this you clueless SEAnigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891634
and how many did Mito have?
retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
if you're gonna mention nijis you should mention iinchou and only iinchou

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891608
>lose that advantage
The bronydelusion is real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891884
There he goes with his stocks obsession
Like clockwork

[Anonymous No.]

It's like all-out war...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891684
>Niji rode the vtuber boom!
>w-what does sub count have to do with b-boom?
You're mentally retarded, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891926
>no arguments
I accept your concession. Go back to your hugbox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891884
>livers in the gutter, having to work 2 jobs just to get by, being harassed by management over numbers constantly, graduation waves, being stolen 98% of their revenue, no salary
>YEAH BUT LOOK AT RIKUS YACHT!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891969
Yet somehow I'm doing better than you, so maybe that's just cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892050
>n-no u
You're even weaker than Yagoo's business skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54891777
>Streaming was rare in vtubing and Niji are the one spamming it first therefore every vtuber who stream after are copycat even tho they know about streaming way before Nijisanji and they probably don't even know or watch any Niji
Lmao delusional retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54886688
I think you need to take your meds anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892137
I have serious people taking what I say seriously. My self-worth isn't influenced by your attacks or anything anyone posts. You on the other hand misconstrue posts and try to force strawman arguments for some fake corpo tribalism nonsense. Everybody can tell this is probably the highlight of your day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883965
KEKKKK

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892230
Why do you think there are Aifag who are seething about Mito to this day? It's because they blame her and Nijisanji for making her style of content irrelevant. Nijisanji PIONEERED streaming using live2D models while holos leeched them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892362
Here you are, arguing with me on /vt/ and somehow deluding yourself into thinking that you're any better than me. The delusion is palpable.
Let's observe your lack of self-awareness:
>My self-worth isn't influenced by your attacks or anything anyone posts.
You've unironically typed shit like this on fucking 4chan in response to a lost argument about vtuber earnings. My bruddah in Christ, I regret to inform you that you have mental capacity of a 12 year old. I advice you to abstain from the internet for a few days, there is a tiny hope that your condition is not chronic yet. Who am I kidding though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892543
So you are just going to ignore Eilene existing? Why do you ignore every post that dabs on you with her? Is she banned in china? Will the CCP execute you and your entire family tree if you type her name
Say her name faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892758
Eilene can barely be classified as a vtuber. It was some dude doing a puppet show with text to speech. I don't see what does she have to do with this though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883959
>>54883965
>>54884033
>>54884100
>>54884135
Kek this board is decent sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>Eilene isnt a vtuber
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54893084
The earlier one is arguably not. It wasn't a rigged model, it was animated by hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892543
>Headcanon
You can just erase Niji and people will stream because they know about it from NND or Twitch, same like l2d model as they are cheaper than 3d, being the first one to spam it means nothing, they are not even the first and definitely not the one invented them, again vtuber don't live in different universe they are part of the same internet, "pioneered streaming in vtuber" made no sense and just something you try to come up to to make your oshi company looks important when they are just 2018 newfag and irrelevant nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>54893571
>not the one invented them
>pioneered streaming in vtuber
Literally no one said any of that itt. I understand that you're an ESL, but holy fuck you're struggling.

[Anonymous No.]

Idk what happened last night everything was going well when she was giving the vtubbing history lesson then somewhere between the first 45 minutes she got side tracked and went absolutely insane telling us all that. But I like her tho she showed some personality and she's based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54893571
>Nijisanji didn't popularize streaming using l2d models because some other company could've done so
Wow, it's like talking to a fucking rock. Nobody is saying they invented those things. Hololive is even more irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, all they did was popularize vtubers in the West and SEA and maybe vtubers as idolshit cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54892543
So you're saying that Nijisanji is to be blamed for the setback and everyone relying on the regressive crutch of Live2D streaming instead of progressing technology and the medium? You must really hate Nijisanji if you're blaming them for everything going to shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54893660
? Exactly, unless they invented them it means nothing, that's like saying hey I'm the first one to do this in this town and claiming everyone doing the same are a copycat while it's already popular in other town in the same country, let's just be honest, most Japs know streaming from NND and most vtuber are streamer from NND they definitely don't just know about streaming from watching Nijisanji, it's only your headcanon to think vtuber doing Livestream because they got "inspired" by Nijisanji when NND is bigger than Nijisanji, don't pretend to be retarded for too long

[Anonymous No.]

So what did she actually talk about then? Just kizuna ai and hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894051
>butthurt Aifag talking point
Yes it's Nijisanji's fault that she became irrelevant. Whatever helps you cope. And then holo buried her further by copying Nijisanji's model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54883895
She barely talked about hololive too.
She skipped the streaming angle and focused on the tech side

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894271
Cannibalism, shoving beads up her nose, putting a knife in a toaster and playing with dead bugs

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894271
The things people had to do to vtube.
She's an expert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54888908
I heard they failed to recontract for next year is this true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894298
You need at least 8k pixels and hundreds of layers for a model to look good. Lize2D is just a budget solution that brute forces the problem and gets okay results. But the movement is still limited, the faces still look like paper masks, and increasing movement on one axis leads to rigging issues like Nerissa Ravencroft.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894042
No, because they don't popularized streaming as streaming got popular by NND and Twitch and Hololive at least a better company and pushing idol shit is better since it's not low effort content, while Niji only leech the first vtuber boom trying to milk vtuber industry with their accelerate approach

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894241
>unless they invented them it means nothing
retard
Inventions are worthless if nobody knows about them. Both the invention process and popularizing process are crucial for end result. And it is absolutely Nijisanji that should be credited with popularizing streaming among vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894434
Live 2D looks better than 3D. No matter how detailed 3D model is, 2D will forever remain superior. It's just better stylistically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894271
She was mostly focused on the tech side of things. She got to around the start of the streaming era and then went on a 2 hour tangent.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how nijisanji still uses the exact same dogshit rigging they've used for years
Thank god they didn't popularize shit since even 1view indies mog even the best nijisanji rigging now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894578
Streaming was not popular in the vtuber sphere before Mito. Get that through your head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54884498
I do it everyday

[Anonymous No.]

did you miss the part where she stopped after mentioning the 4 kings and then went to tell us about her RPG maker schizo shit and how we is interested in eating humans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894652
Their only merit being that upon debut they called themselves Virtual Liver, referring to streaming, while everyone else debuting at the time called themselves Virtual Youtuber or Virtual noun/profession/etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894578
Shitposting threads rotted your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894652
>if nobody knows about them
>>if
Exactly they already known and popular since NND so Niji didn't popularized shit, you know this and you can't say that Nijisanji is bigger than NND that's why you would try to make some made up bullshit like "in vtuber sphere" and trying to say like it means something when it's not, most people do Livestream because they were streaming before or they know streaming from NND or Twitch not Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894842
Vtuber exist in the same sphere of internet. Get that through your head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894725
You must have failed math class if you honestly believe you're making a point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894925
It's not the only merit. However it is one of important points that served to distinguish themselves from other vtubers. Different focus of activities. Other vtubers were doing videos in classic YouTube style, on the shorter side, edited, maybe with occasional stream. Nijisanji pushed the industry toward live streams and vtubing is mostly about streams nowadays. It's a fact that vtubing is completely different now than it was before nijisanji. I don't wanna get into stupid haggling of what's the biggest influence etc. because i think it's pointless hill to die on but if someone wants to say Nijisanji are there, that makes sense. If they want to name Kizuna AI, that also makes sense. If they want to mention Hololive for embracing West, that also makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894945
>>54895029
>THERE WAS NEVER A CONTENT SHIFT FOR VTUBERS, NIJISANJI DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
Go tell that to the assblasted Aifags on /vyt/ then. They also hate hololive for popularizing vtubers with EOP. I guess hololive didn't do that either?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54894945
You can stop coping already anon. Your desperate refusal to admit something important about Nijisanji is pathetic. JP Holos would be disappointed in you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54895066
Math has nothing to do with it moron. People prefer what looks better. Live 2D is better than 3D. 3D is nice for occasional streams like concerts but Live 2D wins for normal streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54895161
>No argument then bringing a boogeyman
A content shift because streaming getting more popular in the internet as a whole not because of Nijisanji that's just your delusion and nowadays shorts video also getting more popular, do you also want to say that's because Pippa or idolEN popularized it ?
>>54895188
>Coping
Just stating facts, just answer this do you really think most of them know Livestream because of Nijisanji not NND ? you're the one coping here trying so hard to make vtuber and internet exist separately just to push your made up claim of importance

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>>54895274
Anime is animated with multiple frames. Live2D is one frame distorted and blended with multiple layers. That's why they don't look anything alike. 3D doesn't look like anime because anime is animated with multiple frames that are redrawn and distorted to emphasize movement. But Live2D does not distort frames, it distorts layers, and it doesn't do what anime does either. In the end what matters is the information you can use to create a distortion similar to the distortion of individually animated frames. Only 3D models preserve this information, and ongoing research is still developing techniques to replicate the effect of animated frames like anime. There is no research like that for Live2D because the model is based on information for only 1 frame. All images on your screen are 2D rasters but the difference in perspective between Live2D and 3D models are computations of things like the frustrum and focal length. That's why stylized 3D using artistic distortions such as Guilty Gear has characters that look more like anime characters than Live2D as used by Hololive or Nijisanji. The future of Virtual Youtubing is going to be 2D anime characters moving freely around in a scene as if it was a hand animated anime, and only solving the problem using 3D models will get us there. That is why you need to understand not only the art but also the math if you want to say anything useful on the topic. If you limit yourself to Live2D then you will forever be stuck with a model always interpolating with a 1 frame perspective, because it does interpolate and anime does not. Simple as.

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>>54895471
>A content shift because vtubers getting more popular in the West as a whole not because of hololive that's just your delusion
This is how retarded you sound. Then again I'm probably talking to an 80IQ SEAgroid. And if "Vtiktokers" or whatever become more popular in the future then yes, I'm going to credit mostly filian for it.

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>>54895889
good post. the cost of making a complete model like this would be absolutely bonkers though.
even for guilty gear they still animate the movement frame by frame by hand, getting a real time version would take a lot of effort. wish the big companies would do more R&D, the idea you describe would be amazing.

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>>54883965
Oh dear

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>>54883965
>cautionary tale against stupidity.
This.
Nijisanji have kuzuha and mito as their talents, yet they couldn't utilize them more and bring their potentials.
Simply because the talents doesn't have incentive to.
Look at luna, she was a failure in nijisanji, but in hololive she found success.
Now, just imagine of what would happen if mito move to hololive.

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>>54897241
What I want as an end goal is a high quality 2D anime experience for viewers but for it to be adaptable to open ended input, for which there is some but not enough R&D going on. Only 3D contains the information that is required for this. Even if you tried to combine Live2D and a deep learning generative AI model you will still only be getting the result of a distribution, oscillating around an optimum of a distribution of an incomplete sample. On the other hand, even if it was possible (because of how statistics works it is unlike that it is) then you would still need a model defined by multiple frames in nearly every conceivable position and character articulation. But this model would need to be a minimum of 8k pixels and hundreds of layers for every single one of those frames. So even if you think it could be possible, it would be so impractical and require so much redundant pixel information that it's useless. The only reason Live2D is popular today is because it brute forces the one-perspective talking head model of a complacent Virtual Youtuber industry. But the 3D model to 2D animated frame with artistic distortions problem can be solved. Not only that, but what I'm talking about would entail no practical difference in the end 2D pixel raster projected by your screen no matter if it's 3D, hypothetical/imaginary sci-fi Live2D, or hand drawn anime. I understand that most viewers come at it from the point of view of "I like to look at this" and "I don't like to look at this" but I'm not arguing about that. I'm only interested in the craft from a serious perspective when I make this claim, and for that only 3D has a plausible future of progress towards that end goal of something that actually looks good as a living anime character. It's not easy but it is the only feasible way forward, and I'm glad that I have at least convinced one person today. Simple as.

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>>54883895
ok, this redeemed her in my eyes, I'm going to watch that stream

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>>54883965
gottem

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>>54883895
zero to based in less than a day

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>>54897890
>Now, just imagine of what would happen if mito move to hololive.
She‘d be boring as shit and couldn‘t do the content she likes to

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>>54897068
Streaming literally getting more popular with NND and Twitch, that's also why YouTube working on their streaming aspect, I don't even know filian is known for shorts but then again that's the problem why, your claim of popularized something is stupid as there is huge platform already made it popular, if I'm being a vtuber and then doing shorts video I definitely don't copy filian because you think I know it because she popularized it but because I know it from tiktok same as streaming most of them know and were streamer themselves before since NND, in the end just same retarded argument desperately trying separate vtuber with internet just to push his stupid claim

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>>54883895
Why the hell do nijifags need our validation?